Restaurant Brands International Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: During Q2, RBI delivered 5.3% system-wide sales growth, 2.4% comparable sales increase and 5.7% organic adjusted operating income growth, and reaffirmed guidance for at least 8% AOI growth in 2025.
  • Positive Sentiment: Tim Hortons achieved its seventeenth consecutive quarter of positive comparable sales in Canada with 3.6% comp growth, 5% morning sales gain, record guest satisfaction and faster service speeds.
  • Positive Sentiment: The International segment outpaced major peers with nearly 10% system-wide sales growth and marked a successful turnaround at Burger King China, posting positive comps and improved unit economics.
  • Positive Sentiment: Burger King U.S. saw 1.5% comps, lifted by mid-teens sales uplifts from remodels, stronger operations and accelerated Carrol’s refranchising efforts two years ahead of schedule.
  • Positive Sentiment: RBI strengthened its financial position with 9.2% EPS growth, $446 million of free cash flow, a $2.3 billion liquidity buffer and a net leverage ratio of 4.6x.
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Restaurant Brands International Q2 2025
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Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Restaurant Brands International Second Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Call. Please note this event is being recorded.

Operator

I would now like to turn the conference over to Kendall Peck, RBI's Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Kendall Peck
Kendall Peck
Senior Director & Head - IR at Restaurant Brands International

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Restaurant Brands International's earnings call for the second quarter ended 06/30/2025. Joining me on the call today are Restaurant Brands International's Executive Chairman, Patrick Doyle CEO, Josh Kobza and CFO, Sami Siddiqui. Following remarks from Josh, Sami and Patrick, we will open the call to questions. Today's discussion may include forward looking statements, which are subject to risks detailed in the press release issued this morning and in our SEC filings.

Kendall Peck
Kendall Peck
Senior Director & Head - IR at Restaurant Brands International

We will also reference non GAAP financial measures, reconciliations of which are available in the press release and trending schedules on our IR website. As a reminder, Adjusted operating income growth exclude results from the Restaurant Holdings segment. In addition, on 02/14/2025, we acquired substantially all the remaining equity interest in Burger King China from our former joint venture partners. Burger King China has been classified as held for sale and reported as discontinued operations in our financial statements as we are actively working to identify a new controlling shareholder. That said, Burger King China's KPIs continue to be included in our international segment KPIs.

Kendall Peck
Kendall Peck
Senior Director & Head - IR at Restaurant Brands International

A breakdown of Burger King China's KPIs and its impact on our 2024 financial statements can be found in the trending schedules available on our Investor Relations website. For calendar planning purposes, our preliminary Q3 earnings call is scheduled for the morning of November 5. And now I'll turn the call over to Josh.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. We made solid progress in Q2 with comp sales accelerating to 2.4% year over year and net restaurant growth of 2.9%, driving system wide sales of 5.3%. Combined with disciplined cost management, this translated into organic adjusted operating income growth of 5.7%. These results reflect the strength of our brands and the focus and execution of our teams and our franchisees. While the consumer environment remains dynamic, we've seen encouraging signs of improvement across many of our largest businesses.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

That's given us added confidence as we continue focusing on the fundamentals that matter the most, quality, service and convenience. Our teams are executing disciplined, well balanced marketing calendars, elevating restaurant operations and delivering better guest experiences every day. At the same time, we're running the businesses efficiently and investing behind priorities we believe will generate long term value for our guests, our franchisees and our shareholders. Tim Hortons and our international businesses, which together account for nearly 70% of our adjusted operating income led the way this quarter. Tim's posted its seventeenth consecutive quarter of positive comparable sales in Canada and our international segment delivered another quarter of strong growth.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

We also saw solid improvement across the rest of the business and I feel confident in our ability to build on that momentum in the second half of the year and deliver at least 8% organic adjusted operating income growth in 2025. I'm equally encouraged by the steps we're taking to return to a more simplified business model. This includes launching Carrol's refranchising efforts two years ahead of schedule and moving with urgency to position Burger King China for success under a new partner. With that, let's turn to our segment results starting with Tim Hortons, which accounts for about 43% of our business. Tim's delivered a strong quarter with Canadian comparable sales accelerating to 3.6%.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

Growth was relatively balanced between check-in traffic, supported by positive sales across all dayparts, including 5% growth in the morning. These results reflected a well executed marketing calendar featuring our scrambled eggs loaded breakfast box, filled Timbits and summer cold beverage lineup, all brought to life by our dedicated restaurant owners. In April, we launched the scrambled eggs loaded breakfast box, a new platform in partnership with Ryan Reynolds, featuring 100% Canadian farm certified eggs. This offering brought a delicious and uniquely Canadian voice to our breakfast business and helped drive over 10% growth in breakfast food sales in the quarter. We also played into nostalgia and brought back Skilled Timbits nationwide for the first time in five years, featuring blueberry cheesecake and powdered strawberry flavors.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

These delicious additions to our Baked Goods Showcase were the outcome of strong collaboration between our culinary and operations teams to deliver fun, guest loved treats and an easier to execute format for our team members. Beverage sales grew 4% year over year, driven by strength in cold and espresso based beverages. We kicked off our summer lineup with new Quencher flavors like Pineapple Dragon Fruit and the launch of Frozen Quenchers. We also introduced new and improved iced lattes, which helped drive record high espresso beverage instance in the quarter. With new espresso machines rolling out later this year, we see opportunity to drive improved consistency and further elevate the guest experience in this high potential category.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

Operationally, our restaurant owners and teams delivered meaningful improvements across the board. Speed of service improved across all dayparts and guest satisfaction rose more than four points year over year to its highest level since we began tracking in 2018. As we broaden our presence in the PM daypart, we're focused on delivering the same high quality Tim's experience our guests know and love. That was the focus of our restaurant leadership symposiums in May and June, which brought together over 3,700 leaders across the system under the theme of winning in the PM. The alignment achieved coming out of these events translated to improved execution, including through the launch of our latest PM food menu innovation, the Supreme Stacked Sandwich.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

We're also making progress on development and remain on track to return to modest net restaurant growth in Canada in 2025, supported by strong unit economics. Finally, I want to thank our restaurant owners for delivering two incredible campaigns: Smile Cookie Week in April, which raised a record breaking $23,000,000 for charities across Canada and The US and Camp Day in July, which raised $13,000,000 for the Tim Hortons Foundation camps. Together with our Canadian Dream brand spot and Owner's Story video series, these help Tim's further solidify its position as Canada's most loved brand. All in, I'm proud of the sustained momentum at Tim Hortons. It's a business with incredibly strong fundamentals, grounded in its number one brand love and trust in Canada.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

This quarter marked a clear return to the consistent performance we've come to expect from the Tim's brand, a reflection of Axle and the team's disciplined execution and the unwavering dedication of our restaurant owners and their team members. Now turning to our International segment, which accounts for 26% of our adjusted operating income and continues to be a key growth engine for our business. In Q2, International delivered nearly 10% system wide sales growth supported by 5.4% net restaurant growth and 4.2% comparable sales, once again outpacing many of our largest global peers. This strong performance reflects the strength of our balanced playbook across menu innovation, marketing, digital and operations, which are driving continued outperformance in same store sales in many major markets like The U. K, Spain, Australia and Germany.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

At our BK CEO Summit and International Convention in Lisbon, Thiago and his team laid out a clear vision for the future and shared our bold ambition of chasing number one globally. We're already the leading burger QSR in key markets like Spain, Turkey and Mexico and aspire to become the most loved burger brand in every market we serve. That means great flame grilled burgers served your way in restaurants guests love to visit and franchisees are proud to run. At convention, we reinforced our commitment to the guest experience and highlighted the critical role of our restaurant general managers by honoring our top 50 international RGMs as amazing examples of operational excellence. We also recognized several high performing partners with 2024 awards.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

Burger King India, which surpassed 500 restaurants in 2024, was named both franchisee and operator of the year. Burger King Turkey earned developer of the year opening nearly 50 net new restaurants in 2024. And Nomura san and the team at Burger King Japan were recognized as marketer of the year after delivering nearly 20% same store sales growth in 2024 fueled by a compelling Whopper relaunch. Following convention, I visited Brazil, one of our most important growth markets. Since entering the market in 2010, we scaled Burger King from about 100 restaurants to roughly 1,000, generating nearly $1,000,000,000 in system wide sales.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

Building on that foundation, we introduced Popeyes in 2018 and Firehouse Subs in June. Popeyes Brazil delivered double digit same store sales growth in 2024 and mid teen same store sales growth so far this year, further evidence that Fried Chicken is on an incredible global trajectory and that Popeyes is well positioned to take share. I also visited our first two Firehouse restaurants with Yuri Miranda, who's leading the brand's rollout in Brazil. I'm encouraged by the early traction and excited about the opportunity to scale Firehouse Brazil under Yuri's excellent leadership. Finally, we're making meaningful progress at Burger King China and delivered results this quarter ahead of our expectations.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

Since assuming control, we've moved quickly, putting in place a seasoned local leadership team, sharpening our marketing on core burger and chicken equities and reestablishing an operational focus. Comparable sales turned positive in the second quarter and unit economics improved meaningfully quarter over quarter. It's been an encouraging start reinforcing our conviction in the long term opportunity. Burger King has strong brand awareness in China and is one of the few scaled beef burger players in the market with favorable category dynamics. With the right local partner, capital support and development plan, we see a clear path to reignite growth.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

We're actively working with Morgan Stanley to identify that partner, someone who can build on our early progress and unlock the next chapter of growth for the brand in China. Now turning to Burger King, which represents around 19% of our business. Tom and team continued making progress executing against their long term plans despite an admittedly tougher industry backdrop. In The U. S, comparable sales grew 1.5% modestly outperforming the burger QSR segment.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

On the marketing front, we're delivering against our three focus areas. First, reestablishing relevance with families second, reinforcing our core brand equities and third, meeting the needs of today's value conscious guests. Our How to Train Your Dragon partnership brought our Flame Grilled Burgers into a popular franchise and drove our highest King Jr. Meal incidents in more than a decade. We'll continue building family engagement in the months and years ahead through fun, effective and relevant partnerships.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

On core equities, we're leaning into the Whopper with innovation and our Have It Your Way promise through guest led ideas from our recently launched Whopper by You platform. The barbecue brisket Whopper is a standout, a delicious guest design take on the classic that highlights our flame grilled flavor. And when it comes to value, we're maintaining a barbell approach with premium offerings alongside our evolving $5 duos and $7 trios, allow guests freedom of choice, ensuring we keep delivering a variety of fan favorites at great everyday prices. We're happy with how our value initiatives are performing and are encouraged to see the percentage of sales on deal stabilize around pre pandemic levels. We're also making good progress in operations.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

Operating satisfaction for lunch and dinner rose four points year over year, reaching their highest levels since we launched Reclaim the Flame in 2022. This progress was driven by continued improvements in customer friendliness, food quality, order accuracy and speed of service. To help meet late night demand from guests, we also saw around 1,200 restaurants extend their hours by at least one hour year over year. We continue to see a clear link between strong operations and profitability. Over the last twelve months, A operators have generated over 70% higher four wall EBITDA on average than the rest of the system, reinforcing the importance of operational consistency and transitioning underperforming restaurants to more engaged operators.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

Our Carrols restaurants outperformed both the broader BK system and other burger QSR peers this quarter and are a great example of the importance of having strong operations led by great restaurant general managers. Modern Image is another driver of sales and profitability and we remain on track to complete roughly 400 remodels this year. They continue to generate average sales uplifts in the mid teens net of control. These investments are improving brand perception and franchisee profitability, reinforcing the value of our modern image efforts. Finally, we began our refranchising process for Carrol's restaurants this quarter, including signing five candidates for Crown Your Career, a program that supports high potential internal talent on their journey towards restaurant ownership over a one to three year period.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

Our focus remains on placing restaurants with highly engaged operators who are well positioned for long term success. Altogether, Tom and his team are making steady progress across marketing, modernization, operations and the guest experience, all underpinned by strong franchisee alignment. While there's still a lot more work to do, this quarter's industry outperformance is another sign that we're on the right path to building a healthier business for the long term. Finally, turning to the remaining 12% of our business with Popeyes and Firehouse Subs. In the second quarter, Popeyes delivered system wide sales growth of 1.9% in The U.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

S, supported by net restaurant growth of 2.1% and partially offset by a 0.9% decline in comparable sales. This quarter, the team's flavor forward pickle menu and launch of $3.99 wraps generated strong guest engagement and helped drive a sequential improvement in comparable sales. We also continue to enhance operations by scaling our easy to run kitchens as well as providing targeted operational support to restaurants that need it the most. At the same time, we remain highly disciplined in our development approach, opening new restaurants only with top tier operators aligned on quality and execution. Finally, at Firehouse Subs, system wide sales grew 6.3% in the second quarter, driven by 6.4% net restaurant growth and a 0.8% decline in comparable sales.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

We're encouraged by the momentum and quality of the development we're seeing, with new restaurant openings performing above the system average. Last month, Mike and his team hosted their annual family reunion in Las Vegas and laid out the brand's three year roadmap, which outlines clear initiative to drive sales growth, enhance the guest experience and support franchisee profitability. There's strong excitement from the franchisees about the path forward for Firehouse. With that, I'll pass it over to Sammy. Sammy?

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

Thanks, Josh, and good morning, everyone. Today, I'll discuss our Q2 financial results, our capital capital structure and financial guidance for the remainder of 2025. We were encouraged by the improvement in results this quarter, especially against a dynamic consumer backdrop. We delivered global comparable sales of 2.4%, system wide sales growth of 5.3%, organic AOI growth of 5.7% and nominal adjusted EPS growth of 9.2%. Organic AOI growth slightly outpaced system wide sales growth this quarter driven by continued cost discipline, including a $15,000,000 reduction in segment G and A as well as a $6,000,000 tailwind from lapping last year's Fuel to Flame ad fund contribution.

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

These tailwinds were partially offset by a couple of factors in the quarter. First, bad debt expenses came in at $9,000,000 this quarter compared to a net recovery of $6,000,000 in the prior year. Bad debt expense this quarter was primarily tied to our international business, which impacted F and P expenses in international and supply chain cost of sales at Tim Hortons. We're actively engaged with our partners to collect on these revenues. We also had a discrete situation at Burger King U.

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

S. Which was resolved in June. And second, as I mentioned last quarter, since we are actively working to find a new local partner for the BK China business, we are treating it as held for sale with results recorded in discontinued operations. As a result, we saw a $10,000,000 year over year revenue and AOI headwind in Q2. For the full year, assuming no change in ownership, we continue to expect a $37,000,000 impact to revenue and a $19,000,000 impact to AOI on a year over year basis, given that we recorded about $18,000,000 of bad debt expenses related to BK China in 2024, largely in Q4.

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

For more detail, you can refer to the quarterly breakdown of 2024 BK China revenues and bad debt expenses available in the trending schedules and on the RBI Investor Relations website. Now turning to EPS. Adjusted EPS increased to $0.94 per share from $0.86 last year, representing nominal growth of 9.2. EPS growth was driven by AOI performance as well as a $12,000,000 year over year decrease in adjusted net interest expense to $131,000,000 reflecting the benefits of our upsized cross currency swaps, twenty twenty four refinancings and interest rate swaps. For the full year, we now expect adjusted net interest expense to be around $520,000,000 assuming an average SOFR rate of 4.3% flowing through to approximately 15% of our debt.

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

Now turning to free cash flow and our capital structure. In Q2, we generated $446,000,000 of free cash flow inclusive of approximately $35,000,000 in cash benefits from our hedges. During the quarter, we allocated capital to key strategic priorities and recorded $68,000,000 of capital expenditures, tenant inducements and incentives collectively referred to as CapEx and cash inducements. We continue to expect twenty twenty five CapEx and cash inducements to be between 400,000,000 to $450,000,000 though we think we will come in at the lower end of that range. In addition, this quarter we capitalized Burger King China with 30,000,000 to support operations, build out our local team and to fund marketing.

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

We also returned $282,000,000 of capital to shareholders through our dividend, which we declared for Q3 at $0.62 per common share and unit with a 2025 target of $2.48 per share. We ended Q2 with total liquidity of $2,300,000,000 including approximately $1,000,000,000 of cash and a net leverage ratio of 4.6 times. As a reminder, our capital allocation priorities remain unchanged. We're focused on investing in our brands and businesses where we see clear and compelling returns, maintaining a healthy and growing dividend and steadily deleveraging over time. Now before shifting to our 2025 financial guidance, I'd like to take a moment to address commodities, specifically beef and coffee.

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

We've been closely monitoring beef, which makes up roughly a quarter of the commodity basket for Burger King U. S. In the 2025, beef prices were up high teens year over year, which we expect to translate into a mid single digit increase in the total commodity basket at Burger King U. S. For the full year 2025.

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

While elevated, this trend is largely driven by the cyclical nature of U. S. Herd rebuilding and we expect prices to normalize over time. On that note, we've been encouraged to see some normalization in coffee prices following a period of historic highs. This is welcome news for our Tim Hortons business where coffee accounts for around 15% of the commodity basket.

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

Given our forward buying strategy, we expect to see these lower costs flow through in mid to late twenty twenty six. Now wrapping up with five modeling related items for 2025. First, we remain confident in delivering net restaurant growth of around 3% for the year and 8% plus organic AOI growth in 2025. As a reminder, AOI growth this year will be weighted towards the fourth quarter as we lap $41,000,000 of the Burger King Fuel the Flame ad fund expense and $20,000,000 of net bad debt expenses recognized in 2024. Second, we continue to expect full year 2025 Tim Hortons supply chain gross margin of roughly 19. Within this, we anticipate Q4 will be the lowest margin quarter reflecting typical seasonality and the impact of working through higher cost inventory. Third, we remain on track for 2025 segment G and A excluding restaurant holdings of 600,000,000 to $620,000,000 reflecting a healthy sustainable baseline that supports continued investment in our people and our strategic priorities. Fourth, we expect second half restaurant level margins at Burger King Carol's restaurants in RH to compress by approximately 100 basis points year over year from the roughly 12.3% margin we saw in the 2024. This is primarily driven by commodity cost inflation as well as the impact of the 50 basis point ad fund contribution step up.

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

In addition, the RH segment includes Popeyes China and Firehouse Brazil. These are early stage businesses and in the 2025 they generated a combined AOI loss of $9,000,000 We expect this loss to increase to around $15,000,000 in the second half of the year as we build our teams and development pipelines. That said, these early stage losses should be more than offset by positive AOI contribution from our BK Carol's restaurants in RH. Finally, we continue to expect an adjusted effective tax rate of 18 to 19% for the year. As a reminder, year to date our tax rate was 18.3%.

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

While we do not expect recent changes in tax legislation to be material at the RBI level, we do expect U. S. Franchisees, particularly those investing in development and remodels, to see benefits related to bonus depreciation and interest deductibility. Overall, to wrap up, when I look at our Q2 results, I see real progress. Our two largest businesses representing nearly 70% of AOI delivered strong performance.

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

I also see promising signs within restaurant holdings with Carrol's outperforming burger QSR, refranchising efforts beginning ahead of schedule and early traction with development and sales at Popeyes China. Although we're operating through a period of peak complexity today, we are starting to simplify. The steps we're taking from refranchising Burger King U. S. Restaurants to setting BK China up for success with a new partner position us to be a more streamlined and stronger business in the years ahead.

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

At the same time, we're maintaining cost discipline at the RBI level, keeping us on track to deliver 8% plus AOI growth in 2025 and beyond. And with that, I'll hand it over to Patrick.

J. Patrick Doyle
J. Patrick Doyle
Executive Chairman at Restaurant Brands International

Thank you, Sami. The story this quarter is pretty straightforward. We've been consistently putting in the work and it's starting to show. We're focused on what matters, running great restaurants, supporting great operators and building brands that stand the test of time. That's been the plan and this quarter is another step forward in that journey.

J. Patrick Doyle
J. Patrick Doyle
Executive Chairman at Restaurant Brands International

Tim Hortons is a great example. Tim's is exceptionally well run. Our franchisees are great locally involved operators and the team running the business in Toronto is terrific. Consistent strong results are the outcome. You can say the same for our international business, which continues to deliver strong growth and outperform most of our largest QSR peers quarter after quarter.

J. Patrick Doyle
J. Patrick Doyle
Executive Chairman at Restaurant Brands International

The kind of consistency we're seeing from Tim's and across many of our international markets comes from doing the basics really well. It's built on a foundation of strong local leadership, brand trust, disciplined operations and relevant marketing. At the end of the day, it all comes down to great teams putting in the hard work to run great restaurants. We're seeing it at Tim's. We're seeing it at International, and we're starting to see it in more parts of our business.

J. Patrick Doyle
J. Patrick Doyle
Executive Chairman at Restaurant Brands International

Take our 47 company run Burger King restaurants in Miami. These are restaurants where we're leading by example and everything is lining up, operations, marketing and image. And they're performing well above the system average, comping into the double digits driven by mid single digit growth in traffic. It's a real example of what the Burger King brand can do when all the pieces come together. And I'm confident we're going to see more of it because as we execute reclaim the flame, more markets should start to look and feel like Miami.

J. Patrick Doyle
J. Patrick Doyle
Executive Chairman at Restaurant Brands International

And when that happens, it creates a system wide lift. I've seen this before in the industry. There is a moment where everything starts to click and the tide turns. Things just get easier. We saw the turning point at Tim's in Canada a few years ago, and we're working towards that same kind of turning point at Burger King US.

J. Patrick Doyle
J. Patrick Doyle
Executive Chairman at Restaurant Brands International

It can be a tough, unglamorous lift, but the operators, restaurant managers and team members doing that work are the heroes of a turnaround, and they're the ones helping to move the entire system forward. And then there's BK China. Not long ago, there were real questions about this business. But since February, we've taken control, brought in strong local leadership, refocused our marketing and started to execute more consistently. Same store sales turned positive in Q2.

J. Patrick Doyle
J. Patrick Doyle
Executive Chairman at Restaurant Brands International

That doesn't happen by accident. It happens because the brand has strength and when it's supported by the right strategy and the right team, it works. We still need to find the right long term partner and we're actively working on that. But this quarter showed us that the business has real potential, and under the right ownership, it can thrive. So that's the story this quarter, focused execution, steady progress, and those generate consistent results.

J. Patrick Doyle
J. Patrick Doyle
Executive Chairman at Restaurant Brands International

We've got real momentum in the places we put in the work. There's more to do, and we're not letting up. But we're proving what these businesses can deliver when everything starts to click. And if this is what we can deliver in the current consumer backdrop, we're even more excited about what's possible as the environment improves. And that should give all of us confidence in where we're headed. With that, we can take questions.

Operator

Our first question today comes from Brian Bittner from Oppenheimer and Co. Brian, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Brian Bittner
MD & Senior Analyst - Restaurants at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.

Thank you. Good morning. As it relates to Burger King U. S, the Carrols restaurants and your RH segment had nearly 3% same store sales growth, biggest outperformance versus the rest of the system in a couple of years. Is this a product of the remodels happening at Carol's or is there other factors driving this outperformance?

Brian Bittner
MD & Senior Analyst - Restaurants at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.

And just secondly to that, you did mention that you're ahead of schedule on refranchising. What does that mean exactly? Does that mean you're planning on going faster? If you could unpack that comment a little bit more, it would be helpful. Thanks.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

Morning, Brian. It's Josh. Thanks for the question. I would tell you we've been really proud of the performance across both the Carrols restaurants and the rest of our BK Company restaurants. And I think it comes from a couple of from a lot of focus on getting a couple of the most important fundamentals right.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

In both of those portfolios, they're operating at a very high level. We've got great teams. We have really good restaurant managers. We see it in all of our ops stats. And I think that's driving a lot of the outperformance.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

And on top of it, the remodels. Both those portfolios are making significant investments in remodels. And the returns from those remodels have been very good. They're doing the right scopes of work. They're executing them well.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

And they're really making sure that they get the results out of them. So I think that's what gives us a lot of confidence in where the rest of the system can go because we've got a lot of other operators that are doing that increasingly too. But that I think that's what's driving the consistent outperformance that we started to see from the Carrols portfolio. In terms of the refranchising, we're also making a lot of progress there. We mentioned we've started to do some refranchising activity already.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

I think if you go back to when we first acquired Carrols, we said that we were going to do the refranchising between years three and seven. And we've obviously started that early and we're we're working on plans to kinda move that ahead at a reasonable pace. It's incredibly important for us that all those restaurants go to very good operators. That was the, you know, the the intention of the acquisition in the first place was to make sure that those restaurants get remodeled and they're in the hands of excellent local operators. So we wanna make sure that we preserve that intent, but we would like to move it along at at a reasonable pace and and we're happy that we've kicked it off already and we'll try to keep doing that keep moving along at as good of a pace as we can over the next couple of years.

Operator

The next question is from David Palmer from Evercore ISI. David, please go ahead. Your line is open.

David Palmer
Senior MD at Evercore

Thanks.

David Palmer
Senior MD at Evercore

I'll just squeeze in two quick ones. One is on the conditions in Canada for the fast food market up there. One competitor mentioned that brands had worsened in Canada. It looks like Burger King perhaps in Canada was a drag to results in North America speaking to what might be a slower market up there, but you can't really see that if you look at the results of Tim Hortons. So love to have your comment about the QSR market in Canada and how if you think that there's reasons why Tim Hortons trends are perhaps widening versus the competitive set in Canada?

David Palmer
Senior MD at Evercore

And then secondly, I know you're not a huge fan of speaking about intra quarter trends, but I know people are certainly interested in what is happening with Burger King U. S. Given you saw snack wraps introduced by a major competitor at $2.99 You've had a lot of success with Royal Crispy Wraps. So if there's any comment you can make about July trends with that major competitor launch that would be helpful. And thank you.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

Good morning, Dave. Thanks for the question. It's Josh. I'll take those two in turn. I think in terms of the Canada trends, we were really pleased to see the improvement from Q1 to Q2.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

I think you've heard all of us say consistently that we're just so proud of the work that the Tim's team is doing. I mentioned earlier, we're on our seventeenth quarter of consecutive same store sales. I think that's because they're doing all the fundamentals right. And I think that's perhaps why you might see the consistent outperformance versus the peer set. If you look at what's been happening up here, you've seen Tim to do really well consistently, but you've also seen a bit of like a sequential improvement in some of the consumer confidence indices.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

And that happened throughout the second quarter, but it's continued into the third quarter. So I don't see any real reason to expect any change in trend or any deterioration up here in Canada for our Tim's business. In terms of Burger King in The U. S, similar story, really happy to see what happened from Q1 to Q2. I think Tom and the team are doing a great job.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

They're sticking to the plan And we haven't seen any impact in July from competitor activity. So continue to be really confident in where we're going with BK. We're going to stick to our plan and we're excited about the stuff that we have planned for the second half.

J. Patrick Doyle
J. Patrick Doyle
Executive Chairman at Restaurant Brands International

Dave, the only thing I'd add to that is a lot of what you're seeing in the results from Burger King is better execution, remodels, working, driving results. These are things we can control that are frankly separate from competitive activity and somewhat from even kind of the macro environment. So we feel very good about where we are.

Operator

The next question comes from Dennis Garga from UBS. Dennis, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Dennis Geiger
Dennis Geiger
Equity Research - Restaurants at UBS Group

Great. Thanks, guys. Congrats on the momentum in the international business. I want to dive in there, if I could. And maybe just if there's anything more that you could kind of share in sort of unpacking the VK International momentum and the performance in the quarter across key markets, perhaps relative to industry dynamics in those markets.

Dennis Geiger
Dennis Geiger
Equity Research - Restaurants at UBS Group

And just how you're thinking about that momentum going forward? And maybe what it does for kind of the longer term development trajectory as you think about the international potential? Thank you.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

Thanks, Dennis. So I'll share a few thoughts on international business both in the quarter and I think overall it's worth reiterating. That BK International business is a fantastic business and it's been on a really great growth trajectory I think now for ten or fifteen years. And as we talk about a lot, the brand's just in a good place in a lot of these international markets. We have high quality newer assets.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

We have really good operations. We have good food quality perception. It's a highly digital business. And we have some fantastic partners around the world who are just doing a very nice job. I think as look around the world in terms of the performance in the quarter, some of the highlights are places like Spain, Germany and The UK.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

So some of our largest markets, they're doing a nice job on innovation. But also I think importantly keeping the right balance of value offerings in the market. So I think they're getting both of those things right and it's driving some good same store sales. The one market that's been a little bit softer for us over the course of the last few quarters has been Burger King in France. But I think really encouragingly, we've now seen some improvement there.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

So as you get into especially the last couple of months, Alex Simone and the team there in BK France have really turned a corner. And I think we're back on a much more positive trajectory. So I think that's encouraging in terms of where that business is going overall. Outside of that, if you look across APAC, we've had some really good consistency in terms of the markets, the big markets that are outperforming. Places like Japan and Australia are just building on top of strength and doing really well.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

And I think importantly, compared to where we were last year, China is really in a very different place. We were we had negative comps for a while throughout the prior year. And as we mentioned, we're now into positive territory. And I think that's a really remarkable turnaround that we've had in BK China. I would say that's happening even faster than than we expected.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

And I think that the team there is just really moving quickly and doing all the things that we wanted to do in terms of building a great team, cleaning up the store base, fixing operations, bringing marketing back to relevance, focusing on the Whopper and an amazing new chicken sandwich called the CRISPR. So I'd say China is going better than we expected and we're really pleased to see that and that helps a bit on the international same store sales as well. So those are some of the things that are going well. Overall, proud of our partners and our teams in their national business and happy with the results.

J. Patrick Doyle
J. Patrick Doyle
Executive Chairman at Restaurant Brands International

Two things I'd add to that. First, in terms of China, Teams just doing an outstanding job. I mean, Josh said, I mean, we are ahead of where we thought we were going to be at this point because they are executing so well against the plan that they put together. The other thing I'd point out is, I think every U. S.

J. Patrick Doyle
J. Patrick Doyle
Executive Chairman at Restaurant Brands International

Brand that has reported so far was positive in China. So people have been talking about the China macro for quite some time, and everybody I believe everybody was positive. So it has clearly improved, and that gives us some confidence as well. The other interesting thing I would point out, I mean, Josh highlighted BK in international. Popeyes did north of 400,000,000 of system sales in the second quarter outside of The U.

J. Patrick Doyle
J. Patrick Doyle
Executive Chairman at Restaurant Brands International

S. And Canada. And it's comping just nominal sales. It's comping high 20s, low 30s percent in system wide sales growth. Brands, U.

J. Patrick Doyle
J. Patrick Doyle
Executive Chairman at Restaurant Brands International

S. Brands outside of The U. S. That it is the only one that is growing system sales double digit. So it is an U. S. Business. Year. Half And then the with

Operator

The next question comes from Jon Ivankoe from JPMorgan. Jon, please go ahead. Your line is open.

John Ivankoe
MD & Equity Research Analyst at JP Morgan Chase & Co

Hi. Thank you. As part of the themes both this quarter, this year, past couple of years is a lot of companies that have really developed their own or at least leaned in to their digital data, artificial intelligence type of capabilities, including personalized marketing is a big part of their overall marketing efforts. So I know it's a big topic, but I was hoping if we could revisit the overall QSR strategy for its franchisees around this and how you could potentially take advantage of some of these scale driven opportunities of your brand versus what others are doing? Thank you.

J. Patrick Doyle
J. Patrick Doyle
Executive Chairman at Restaurant Brands International

Yes. This is Patrick. We are very excited about what we're doing on this front. We haven't been talking about it all that much because we think there are some things that we're doing that not everybody else has figured out yet. What I will tell you is we are very focused on what can happen with AI in our restaurants, how that can improve the customer experience, how that can improve the efficiency and effectiveness of operations.

J. Patrick Doyle
J. Patrick Doyle
Executive Chairman at Restaurant Brands International

You know, we're not fighting the last war. I mean, we are we are focused on AI and what we can do there. You know, it is not, you know, it's not I mean, I spent a lot of time on technology in my old life, and it was just a very, very different world, when we were doing that. And we're just seeing opportunities now kind of across the board on everything that you do to run your restaurants effectively and how you interact with our customers. That gets us excited.

J. Patrick Doyle
J. Patrick Doyle
Executive Chairman at Restaurant Brands International

More to come on that as we roll more things out, but I'm excited about how it's going to affect our operations, our franchisees, our profitability, the customer experience, just a lot happening there.

John Ivankoe
MD & Equity Research Analyst at JP Morgan Chase & Co

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Danilo Gargiulio from Bernstein. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Danilo Gargiulo
Senior Research Analyst at Bernstein

Great. Thank you. I wanted to unpack the value creation in United States, specifically for Burger King, because it looks like the performance in this quarter doesn't seem to be overly hinging too much on the value platform because you're sustaining momentum even without having a $5 meal deal. So I was wondering if you can help us understand how you're scoring internally your affordability of your core items in the domestic market. And if you can also give us a little bit of highlight or excitement that you might be heading for the marketing calendar heading into the second half of the year? Thank you.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

Hi, Danilo. Thanks for the question. I think you characterized it recently that I think we've had a more stable value offering. And I think we're very happy with how things are working. We've got our $5 duos and $7 trios.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

We think that's been working reasonably well for us. And I think we'll continue to have value offerings. We'll probably bring some some new news, whether that's product news or some of the mechanics and some of the communication of value over the next six months to a year. But I don't see a big change in the weight of value offerings or on deal offerings within our menu. I think if you look back over time within the industry, over a long time horizon, the on deal part of the business tends to be about 30%.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

It'll move up down a couple of points here and there, but that's relatively consistent. It's an important part of the business. But I think what you've seen Tom and team correctly focused on is making sure we're doing we're focusing on all the important parts. We're focusing on premium offerings and family offerings. We're focused on our strongest equity, is the whopper and elevating the whopper.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

And we're focused on making sure that we have relevant and fresh value offerings. I think you you gotta make sure that you're doing all three of those. And I think as you mentioned, doing all those things is is what allowed us what has allowed us over a number of quarters to perform in line or or better than than the pure set without getting stuck too much on on, you know, an over dependency on value. And I I think, you know, we we view that as an as an overall equation that we provide to our guests. It's having awesome core offerings at a fair price, having good value offerings, and having exciting premium innovation.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

And frankly, I as you look forward with the marketing calendar, we are very excited because we're gonna do all of those things. We're gonna bring new partnerships and new family properties that keep bringing families and and younger guests back into the restaurant. We're going to have even more exciting whopper innovations along the lines of some of the things you've seen recently, and we're going keep value fresh. I think that's probably the simplest kind of three part explanation of what the forward calendar looks like, and we look forward to sharing more of it with you and with our guests over the next few months.

Danilo Gargiulo
Senior Research Analyst at Bernstein

Thank you.

Operator

Next question comes from Andrew Charles with TD Cowen. Andrew, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Andrew Charles
Managing Director at TD Cowen

Great. Thank you.

Andrew Charles
Managing Director at TD Cowen

Patrick, you talked about the success of Burger King remodels that are driving mid teen sales lifts and outperformance at Carrols. But if we think about the soft quick service sales backdrop, the significant beef inflation in the first half of this year as well as the challenged lending environment. How can you accelerate the pace remodels to help more meaningfully accelerate the share gains versus peers? I guess I'm curious as well, you open minded? I know obviously there's a target for 85% to 90% reimaged by 2028.

Andrew Charles
Managing Director at TD Cowen

Berking is obviously funding some of this, but open mindedness to increase CapEx to kind of accelerate this transformation over this time as well.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

Hey Andrew, it's Josh. I'll start and let Patrick add anything that he'd like. In terms of the BK remodels, we continue to have the exact same vision that we articulated a couple of years back. We think it's really important to the brand to have fresh modern assets in almost every community you go to across The U. S.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

And we think getting to around 85% in the next few years is still absolutely the right goal. I think we continue to be very encouraged by the results we're seeing from the remodels. The uplifts have been consistent. The guest reaction is great. And we see incredible results, especially in our company restaurants, whether it's Carol's or some of the Miami restaurants.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

And those are the kind of things that make us want to stay the course and continue on the path. So I think that's our game plan. We know there's been some fluctuations in commodity prices that will happen in the business. But I think over long term that vision is the right one. And we're seeing all the data points that we wanted to see to continue investing behind the brand and the assets.

Operator

The next question comes from Gregory Francfort from Guggenheim. Gregory, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Gregory Francfort
MD - Senior Restaurant Analyst at Guggenheim Partners

Hey, thanks for the question. Josh, I guess you made a comment on the prepared remarks about reaccelerating unit growth at Tim's Canada. Can you maybe help frame up maybe what that opportunity is and the pace of development that you would expect and how quickly you can get there? Thanks.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

Yes.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

So in terms of unit growth at Tim's in Canada, we are pleased that I think we're on track to get back to positive growth this year. And the way I think about it is that we've seen population growth over the last, few years, and I think there's an outlook, for perhaps more moderate population growth in in Canada over the next few years. But we you know, our view is directionally if you have 1% population growth, then we should be growing more Tims. And there are a lot of new communities that are being developed whether here in around Toronto or out West. And when you have new housing communities, new retail, new commercial complexes, we want to have a Tims in those.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

And so we're looking at where all the development is happening all across the the country. We have we control the development here in Canada. So we have an in house development team that's very close to all the landlords and developers. And so we're making sure that we're a part of those conversations, and we're growing Tim's as kind of the footprint in the population of of Canada gross. And we think and I think it helps as well.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

The returns are great. This is one of the best businesses, you know, in the QSR space in the entire world. So we're very excited to be part of building new Tims and growing with Canada.

Operator

The next question comes from Jeff Bernstein from Barclays. Jeff, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Anisha Datt
Anisha Datt
Equity Research AVP at Barclays Capital

Hi. This is Anisha Dat on for Jeff Bernstein. I wanted to ask a question on franchisees. How would you characterize franchisee willingness to lean into a national value platform, particularly if it comes at the expense of near term profitability? And are there any concerns around franchisee alignment or margin compression as you compete more aggressively on price? Thanks.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

Anisha, it's Josh. Thanks for the question. You know, I would say in terms of franchisee alignment, it's as good as it's as it's ever been. You know, we have great franchisee alignment, I think, across all of of the businesses. You know?

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

And a lot of that comes from from the great work our teams have done developing those relationships. I think our franchisees know and trust that we have their best interest in mind. You know, over the last couple of years, we published their profitability, and we've made it very clear that we're being held accountable to improve that that profitability across the balance of things that that we do in the business, whether that's, you know, operational initiatives, investment initiatives, or some of the marketing initiatives across premium core and and value. And I think that our franchisees, they understand that value is a part of the business and it's an important part of the business. And we work very closely with them to talk through what the right value strategy is for each of our brands to make sure that we've got alignment that those are the right things that are gonna drive the business, that are respectful of the profitability of the business, but will help bring more guests in into our restaurant.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

So I think we've developed a a good relationship with all the franchisees. I think we have a very balanced but effective value mechanisms across all of the businesses. And we'll keep having that be an important, but only one part of the business strategy going forward.

Operator

The next question comes from Brian Harper of Morgan Stanley. Brian, please go ahead.

Brian Harbour
Brian Harbour
Equity Analyst & Executive Director - Restaurants & Food Distribution at Morgan Stanley

Yes. Morning, guys. Roughly this is more of a U. S. Question, but roughly where are you running on year over year price today?

Brian Harbour
Brian Harbour
Equity Analyst & Executive Director - Restaurants & Food Distribution at Morgan Stanley

And I think the broader question is just I think there's been more talk about not just value, but sort of broader price architecture in the industry. Do you think that's a focus for you too? Or how do you see that sort of changing in QSR broadly?

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

Hey, Brian. So within The U. S, I'd say most of the brands are running sort of low single digits on pricing right now. And it's something we're keeping a close eye on and trying to make sure that we're as balanced as we can in the menu pricing. I wouldn't say we're contemplating any large scale changes in pricing architecture.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

As I mentioned to in response to a couple of the earlier questions, the value or on deal part of our business has been pretty stable. And then we're just focused on making sure that those offerings are compelling, but reasonably profitable for the franchisees and that we keep the baseline menu pricing as contained as it's reasonable to do.

Operator

The next question comes from Sarah Senatore from Bank of America. Sarah, please go ahead.

Sara Senatore
Sara Senatore
Senior Research Analyst at Bank of America

Okay. Thanks. Sorry. Just a I jumped on late, I so one quick clarification, and then, Patrick, I I thought I would get your thoughts on the the chicken segment, if I might. The clarification was on the the remodels.

Sara Senatore
Sara Senatore
Senior Research Analyst at Bank of America

It sounds like, you know, you're still seeing these very healthy lifts. Has that accelerated or increased the rate at which franchisees want to do some of these sort of more these fuller remodels? Because I know at some point you kind of shifted to a little bit of the lighter touches, you know, shifted some of your funding that direction. And I I was curious if if you're seeing any kind of swing back to the bigger, remodels, if you had touched on that. And then the question, I guess, for Patrick is about the chicken segment and Popeyes.

Sara Senatore
Sara Senatore
Senior Research Analyst at Bank of America

You know, your last company, obviously, you know, you you overtook the the biggest competitor in the pizza space and kinda never looked back. Is there any risk that Popeyes, you know, even though it has big scale advantage or some of these up and coming concepts, you know, the assets aren't in the right place or the product mix isn't isn't quite right. You know, is there any risk that, you know, it's it's it's hard for Popeyes to to keep pace, with the industry just, you know, because of perhaps maybe more structural issues about the, you know, the system. So those are the the two questions. Thanks.

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

Hey, Sarah. Good morning. It's Sami. I'll I'll take the first question and then I'll throw it over to, to Patrick to talk about, chicken. On the remodels actually, we continue to be very pleased with kind of the uplift we're seeing in the mid teens.

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

And it's actually quite the opposite. What we're seeing is more franchisees leaning into the sizzle image, which is a full the the brand new modern image of of the Burger King system. I think what you may be referencing is a thing of the past, you know, many years ago when there were lighter touch remodels. But, you know, for our system right now and really since the inception of Reclaim the Flame, the focus has been doing on high quality, really good remodels. And we know that sometimes those are a bit more expansive, which is how we design the incentive program.

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

But that's what ultimately drives the the lifts, the and guests coming back to the restaurant. So we're really pleased. And and I will point out actually the sizzle uplifts, there's only about so far, probably about a 100 in the dataset, but the sizzle uplifts are, are even better than the mid teens uplifts we're seeing on average across the program. So we're really pleased with those numbers.

J. Patrick Doyle
J. Patrick Doyle
Executive Chairman at Restaurant Brands International

And Sarah, on the chicken side, it's actually been a very interesting dynamic the last six months or so because with beef prices up, you've seen a lot of people running chicken promotions from McDonald's and Taco Bell and folks kind of leaning in there just because the protein cost on the on the beef side has been higher. And so it's interesting because while chicken is kind of having a moment, you know, I think the people who are focused on chicken have been feeling everybody else kind of playing in in that space. And, you know, the the the reality is that while people tend to look at things within, you know, the burger chains and the chicken chains and the pizza chains, there is a lot of competition amongst all of them for share of wallet from consumers. And a couple of the biggest chicken players are private, and we think that they've actually been under pretty good pressure from a comp standpoint recently. I like where Popeyes is.

J. Patrick Doyle
J. Patrick Doyle
Executive Chairman at Restaurant Brands International

The big thing on Popeyes is we've got to get better running the stores. We're doing it. We're getting improvements. We're seeing it in consumer metrics. We're seeing it in the things we look at in terms of speed of service and accuracy and complaints.

J. Patrick Doyle
J. Patrick Doyle
Executive Chairman at Restaurant Brands International

And all of the measures show us that we're making progress on improving the operations. We just need to do it even faster. And I'm confident that's going to get us the kind of growth that we need. And the proof point on that is, again, kind of the international side, where we started with the kitchens laid out the way we want them laid out now. It means that we're very efficient at how we're running those restaurants, and it's an absolutely booming business.

J. Patrick Doyle
J. Patrick Doyle
Executive Chairman at Restaurant Brands International

So it's interesting because my old place of employment, there was a period in time where our international business was, I think, better run growing faster than the domestic side. We brought a lot of those learnings back to The US business. You've seen that with Burger King. The BK business outside of The US has been outperforming The US business. There are definitely learnings we're bringing back.

J. Patrick Doyle
J. Patrick Doyle
Executive Chairman at Restaurant Brands International

And I think you're seeing the same thing with Popeyes. I'm very optimistic about our ability to make improvements on the business and you're going to see that over the near and medium term.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

And Sarah, if I can just add one more thing on what Patrick mentioned on the Popeyes business. I would just call it that we already have a very clear plan aligned with the franchisees to modernize all of the assets including making sure they're all on the new easy to run kitchen over the next few years. So I think there's a clear path to basically entirely modern asset base that you're going to start seeing show up this year and into the next couple of years that I think is going to set us on an even better footing with the Popeyes business.

Operator

Next question comes from John Samparo from Scotiabank. John, please go ahead. Your line is open.

John Zamparo
Equity Research Analyst - Retail & Consumer Products at Scotiabank

Thanks very much. Good morning. The question is on franchisee profitability in The U. S. At BK.

John Zamparo
Equity Research Analyst - Retail & Consumer Products at Scotiabank

It's a difficult comp environment, but you're still seeing some meaningful cost inflation. I wonder, are there still ways to grow franchisee profitability this year and next if you don't see a meaningful improvement in the macro? And I'm thinking about some of your initiatives like additional operating hours, kiosk usage, the tailwind you're seeing for modernization. Are those sufficient to get you to grow average franchisee profitability to the levels you're looking for by 2026? Thank you.

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

Hey, John. Good morning. Thanks for the question. Look, think as you think about through two quarters of the year, for our Burger King U. S.

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

System, sales are roughly flat. And yes, we have seen some commodity headwinds. So I think I mentioned in the prepared remarks beef is about 25% of our cost basket and we're seeing around 15% inflation on that year to date. So it leads to about mid single digit cost inflation on the COGS line of the P and L. A couple of things I'd say.

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

I think number one is we are scouring the P and L and there are opportunities in other cost line items to still help offset some of that mid single digit cost inflation. But that level of inflation we also view as manageable. And as we think about it, it is a point in time and is driven by mainly beef and we are in the middle of a herd rebuilding cycle here in The U. S. We studied these cycles and they continue they're cycles.

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

They will reverse. Probably one of the best analogs we see is up here in our Tim's business is coffee. Coffee has been at record highs for months now and we've seen that reverse and and that's a big benefit to franchise profitability. So as we think about out to 2026, we're still, you know, a year and a half away from from the end of the year and, we feel that these that this this cycle will reverse and we're doing the right things on the top line. Josh mentioned a lot on in terms of what we're doing, with our three pronged strategy to, to ultimately drive the top line and and get us to a better place on profitability.

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

And most importantly, I think our franchisees are super aligned to the things that we're doing and believe in the plan such that we'll get there.

Operator

Our final question today comes from Christine Cho from Goldman Sachs. Christine, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Christine Cho
Christine Cho
Equity Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Thank you so much. Just a quick follow-up on the materials refranchising. I just wanted to understand what factors kind of influenced your decision to accelerate the process? And how would you characterize the current demand and interest from the potential franchisees? Thank you.

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

Hey, Thanks thanks for the question. I think, you know, ultimately, the most important thing, and I think Josh mentioned this, is that we get restaurants into the hands of the best operators. Right? Folks who are local, who are gonna be in their restaurants, you know, serving the guest every day. And we've seen a lot of demand internally from folks at Carol's.

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

These are above restaurant leaders who are in the organization already. We've seen it from potential new franchisees and we've seen it from existing franchisees in the Burger King system who are already great operators. They're a operators and they have the operational and financial capacity to take on more. And so we, you know, this was this was actually a a pretty welcome outcome for us that that there's a lot of demand and that caused us to to start refranchising early. Ultimately, we think we'll do somewhere between 5,100 refranchising this year.

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

That's a couple of years ahead of schedule. And we think that number will accelerate as we go into 2026 in terms of more refranchising. And I think, again, it's a testament to the progress we're seeing at Burger King U. S. The plan is working and folks are buying into the plan.

Sami Siddiqui
Sami Siddiqui
CFO at Restaurant Brands International

The most important investment they can make is with their capital and their time and they're choosing to do both with the refranchising.

J. Patrick Doyle
J. Patrick Doyle
Executive Chairman at Restaurant Brands International

One of the dynamics that I love that we're seeing right now is, you know, Sammy mentioned the franchising to folks within Carol's. And, you know, there is no better incentive to prove that you were a great operator at Carol's than the opportunity to become an owner. And so I think we're seeing a really nice dynamic there that, you know, people see that opportunity. They're running those restaurants, getting good results better than we're seeing from the overall system right now. And they're proven that they can be great operators.

J. Patrick Doyle
J. Patrick Doyle
Executive Chairman at Restaurant Brands International

And that means some of them are going to have the opportunity to become owners and absolutely love that dynamic.

Operator

This concludes today's Q and A session. So I hand it back to Josh for some closing comments.

Josh Kobza
Josh Kobza
CEO at Restaurant Brands International

Well, thank you everybody for joining us today and thanks for the questions. I'd like to once again thank our teams and our franchisees for their very hard work this quarter. And I look forward to sharing more on our call next quarter. Have a great day.

Operator

This concludes today's call. Thank you very much for your attendance. You may now disconnect your lines.

Executives
    • Kendall Peck
      Kendall Peck
      Senior Director & Head - IR
    • Josh Kobza
      Josh Kobza
      CEO
    • J. Patrick Doyle
      J. Patrick Doyle
      Executive Chairman
Analysts
    • Brian Bittner
      MD & Senior Analyst - Restaurants at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.
    • David Palmer
      Senior MD at Evercore
    • Dennis Geiger
      Equity Research - Restaurants at UBS Group
    • John Ivankoe
      MD & Equity Research Analyst at JP Morgan Chase & Co
    • Danilo Gargiulo
      Senior Research Analyst at Bernstein
    • Andrew Charles
      Managing Director at TD Cowen
    • Gregory Francfort
      MD - Senior Restaurant Analyst at Guggenheim Partners
    • Anisha Datt
      Equity Research AVP at Barclays Capital
    • Brian Harbour
      Equity Analyst & Executive Director - Restaurants & Food Distribution at Morgan Stanley
    • Sara Senatore
      Senior Research Analyst at Bank of America
    • John Zamparo
      Equity Research Analyst - Retail & Consumer Products at Scotiabank
    • Christine Cho
      Equity Analyst at Goldman Sachs