Post Q3 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 8, 2025

Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Post delivered Q3 adjusted EBITDA of $397 million on $2 billion in net sales, driven by sequential improvement in cold-chain businesses that more than offset a pullback at PCB.
  • Negative Sentiment: Post Consumer Brands faced volume declines with cereal down 4.9% year-over-year and pet consumption off 3.7%, extending Nutrish’s relaunch timeline and prompting planned cereal plant closures.
  • Positive Sentiment: Foodservice is set to enter FY 2026 at a normalized run rate near $115 million of quarterly adjusted EBITDA as temporary avian-influenza pricing adders wind down.
  • Positive Sentiment: Recent tax law changes around bonus depreciation and interest deductibility are expected to cut cash taxes by $300 million over the next five years.
  • Neutral Sentiment: The Eighth Avenue acquisition closed July 1 with clear nut-butter and granola synergies, though integration will be deferred until FY 2026 to stabilize the business.
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Earnings Conference Call
Post Q3 2025
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There are 11 speakers on the call.

Operator

Welcome to the Post Holdings Third Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen only mode and the floor will be opened for your questions following the presentation. I would now like to turn the call over to Daniel O'Rourke, Investor Relations for Post.

Speaker 1

Good morning. Thank you for joining us today for Post's third quarter fiscal twenty twenty five earnings call. I'm joined this morning by Rob Vitale, our President and CEO Jeff Zadix, our COO and Matt Maynard, our CFO and Treasurer. Rob, Jeff and Matt will make prepared remarks and afterwards we'll answer your questions. The press release that supports these remarks is posted on both Investors and the SEC filings portions of our website and is also available on the SEC's website.

Speaker 1

As a reminder, this call is being recorded and an audio replay will be available on our website at postholdings.com. Before we continue, I would like to remind you that this call will contain forward looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties that should be carefully considered by investors as actual results could differ materially from these statements. These forward looking statements are current as of the date of this call, and management undertakes no obligation to update these statements. This call will discuss certain non GAAP measures. For a reconciliation of these non GAAP measures to the nearest GAAP measure, see our press release issued yesterday and posted on our website.

Speaker 1

With that, I will turn the call over to Rob.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Daniel, and good morning, everyone. Before commenting on the quarter, I want to mention the leadership announcements from last evening. Jeff has decided to retire at the end of the year. Jeff and I started at Post the same day, and he has been instrumental to our success. While I'm happy for him, he will be sorely missed.

Speaker 2

Nico is being named COO effective at the same time. For the time being, he will also continue as CEO of PCB. Nico has done an outstanding job leading PCB, especially the integration of our Pet business. I look forward to working with him in this role. Turning to the business.

Speaker 2

We had strong results in Q3 despite the challenging macro environment with adjusted EBITDA approaching $400,000,000 continues to benefit us as we sequentially saw significant improvement in our cold chain businesses more than offsetting a pullback at PCB. While these dynamics were anticipated heading into the quarter, the magnitude of each was a bit bigger than expected. Rounding out the portfolio, Weetabix maintained a steady improvement from the first half that was impacted by their ERP conversion. Another highlight of Q3 was our acquisition of eighth Avenue, which closed on July 1. We are pleased to have the business fully laid back in the Post portfolio.

Speaker 2

And while we see very clear synergies to PCB within nut butter and granola, we are waiting until FY twenty twenty six to start integrating to provide some normalcy and stabilization for the business. Meanwhile, the broader M and A environment remains challenged given market volatility. However, we view the recently announced Kellogg's transaction as an encouraging sign highlighting the potential for larger, more transformative transactions. Beyond M and A, we continue to be aggressive in share buybacks, having bought back 8% of the company fiscal year to date. Subsequent to the closure of the Eighth Avenue transaction, we remain in a great spot from both a leverage and liquidity position to remain opportunistic with our capital allocation.

Speaker 2

While tariffs and regulatory changes to food ingredients continue costs and create uncertainty. The recent tax law changes are projected to result in substantial financial benefits to Post. Specifically, bonus depreciation and interest deductibility changes will drive an estimated $300,000,000 reduction in cash taxes paid over the next five years. I am pleased with the overall state of our portfolio as we continue to perform well in a really tough environment. Foodservice has successfully navigated severe HPAI impacts this year and is executing a soft landing to normalcy.

Speaker 2

Pet is working through a challenging but much needed portfolio transition, while continuing to sustain over 2x our acquisition underwriting case. Meanwhile, on the grocery side of PCB, we remain focused on executing cost optimization to offset pressured cereal volumes. Finally, both Refrigerated Retail and Weetabix continue to pursue their pipelines for targeted volume growth and cost reduction. With that, I will turn the call over to Jeff. Thanks, Rob, and good morning, everyone.

Speaker 2

Post consumer brands continued to face volume challenges in both Cereal and Pet, which drove the segment's performance decline. Cereal category volumes were down 4.1% year over year and our branded portfolio was slightly behind the category with a 4.9% decline. We remain on track with our previously announced cereal plant closures at the

Speaker 3

end of the calendar year to optimize our cost structure, and we will continue to pursue additional cost out opportunities to mitigate the current cereal category trajectory. In fact, cost optimization efforts already implemented along with favorable product mix enable us to maintain cereal profitability relatively flat sequentially despite the volume challenges. Our pet volume consumption was down 3.7% year over year versus a flat category as we saw continued Gravy Train price elasticities and accelerating declines in Nutrish from its relaunch. As we learned from our mom cereal reset a few years ago, we expected short term volume challenges as we overhauled the Nutrish brand, but the magnitude has been larger than anticipated. We're making some course corrections based on market feedback and therefore expect the brand recovery timeline to be extended.

Speaker 3

With regard to Gravy Train, we have some price pack architecture changes hitting the market over the next few quarters, which we believe will set the proper balance between profitability and volumes for that brand. Turning to Foodservice. As expected, Q3 was a much stronger quarter sequentially driven by temporary avian influenza pricing to recover Q2 costs ahead of pricing and to offset continued elevated egg costs. In addition, we saw volume growth in both eggs and potatoes driven by improved market egg availability and improved breakfast foot traffic for our end customers. We expect to wind down our temporary HPAI pricing and fully recover our egg supply by the end of Q4, setting us up to enter fiscal twenty twenty six at a normalized run rate.

Speaker 3

Although still early in our planning process, our early read of the normalized quarterly adjusted EBITDA run rate of our foodservice business approximately $115,000,000 Similar to Foodservice, Refrigerated Retail benefited in the quarter from temporary avian influenza driven pricing adders in liquid eggs, along with the shifting of the Easter holiday into Q3. Volumes were higher in nearly all categories. We are progressing well on the integration of the recently acquired PPI business, seeing the benefits of optimized manufacturing mix and elimination of tolling charges. We are also seeing further benefit from warehousing and freight efficiencies. Turning to Weetabix, our flagship yellow box product grew consumption volumes 2.4% year over year in a category that was down 1.8%.

Speaker 3

We attribute this to a return to marketing and promotion after limiting those activities in the first half of the fiscal year as we executed an IT systems conversion. In addition, UFit had a strong quarter, growing volumes by 31% over the prior year. We are looking to expand the UFit brand with new high protein cereal and granola products that are now in stores. More broadly, we remain focused on executing our cost. Despite the challenging macro backdrop, we are expecting a strong finish for fiscal twenty twenty five as we remain focused on the things we can control such as cost out optimization and making targeted investments to drive volumes.

Speaker 3

With that, I'll turn the call over to Matt.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Jeff, and good morning, everyone. Third quarter consolidated net sales were $2,000,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA was $397,000,000 Sales increased 2% as avian influenza driven pricing and volume growth in our cold chain businesses was partially offset by lower pet food and cereal volumes. Turning to our segments. Post consumer brands net sales decreased 9% driven by lower volumes in both grocery and pet. Cereal volumes decreased 6% due to category dynamics with private label seeing steeper declines than branded.

Speaker 4

In Pet, our volume declines accelerated to down 13%. As a reminder, we expected high single digit declines for the 2025 until we lapped prior year profit enhancing decisions and completed the relaunch of Nutrish. Bridging the additional decline this quarter is twofold. First are the incremental consumption declines Jeff discussed for both Nutrition and Gravy Train. And the second is the loss of some private label business for which we expect to replace by early FY twenty twenty six.

Speaker 4

Segment adjusted EBITDA decreased 8% versus prior year as improved cost performance for both grocery and pet was not enough to offset the impact of lower volumes, particularly in pet. One call out is the better cost performance is net of a $5,000,000 severance charge taken this quarter as PCB optimized its SG and A workforce to better align with our smaller cereal footprint. Moving to Foodservice, net sales increased 19% and volumes increased 7%. Excluding the impact of our PPI acquisitions, volumes increased 4% driven by the inclusion of shake volumes in the quarter and higher customer foot traffic benefiting both eggs and potatoes. Beyond volume, avian influenza driven pricing drove the revenue increase.

Speaker 4

Adjusted EBITDA increased 32% driven by increased pricing to recover elevated egg costs and continued volume growth in both our value added egg and potato products. Refrigerated retail net sales increased 9% and volumes excluding the impact of PPI increased 1%. Volumes across all products benefited from the timing of Easter, which was in Q2 last year. Segment adjusted EBITDA increased 94% as we lapped a particularly weak quarter last year marked by trade overspend, while this year we benefited from avian influenza pricing adders and Easter driven volume increases. Weetabix net sales increased 1% versus the prior year.

Speaker 4

Foreign currency represented a tailwind of five sixty basis points. Volumes decreased 3% driven by non core discontinuations. However, as Jeff mentioned, our Core L Vest product grew volumes 3% and UFLD grew volumes 31%. Segment adjusted EBITDA decreased 4% versus prior year led by lower volumes and increased inflation driven costs. Turning to cash flow, we generated $226,000,000 from operations and approximately $95,000,000 in free cash flow, net of accelerated capital spend on our key investments in both PCB and foodservice.

Speaker 4

From a capital allocation standpoint, we have repurchased approximately 1,600,000 shares since the beginning of Q3, bringing our fiscal year total to approximately $5,000,000 or 8% of the company. Our Q3 results drove our net leverage down slightly to 4.3 times. However, adjusting for the July 1 closing of Eighth Avenue, our leverage is 4.5 times. With our earnings release last night, we increased our adjusted EBITDA guidance range from $1,500,000,000 to $1,520,000,000 At the midpoint, this suggests Q4 will be approximately flat to Q3 with the inclusion of a full quarter of Eighth Avenue results offsetting some normalization within the balance of the portfolio. Sequentially, we expect our cold chain businesses to decline as AI pricing adders wind down throughout the quarter.

Speaker 4

This will be partially offset by an increase of PCB due to back to school seasonality in cereal and the absence of Q3 severance charges. Thank you for joining us today, and I will now turn the call back over to the operator.

Operator

The floor is now open for questions. And our first question is coming from Andrew Lazar with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

So much. Good morning, everybody. The best on your retirement, Jeff, congratulations to Niko on the COO role. Rob, I know it's early to provide specific guidance on fiscal twenty twenty six, but maybe you can lay out some of the key puts and takes to consider. I think as you've talked about foodservice has over delivered this year, suggesting maybe some give back next year.

Speaker 5

Cereal category trends obviously have remained quite weak and the pet turnaround is taking more time. Guess I on the flip side, you've got the contribution from eighth Avenue, cost saves from asset optimization moves and I think some contribution from the shake co packing dynamic. So I guess, am I right on those? What others might I be missing? And then I guess when you knit all these out, would you still anticipate at least some modest EBITDA growth in fiscal 'twenty six?

Speaker 2

I think you laid it out pretty well. And the way we are thinking first of all, I should say we are still in the planning process for 2026. But the way we are thinking about it is if we normalize foodservice for the AI impact, is essentially on algorithm here. So again, with the caveat that we're still in the middle of planning. Beyond that, I think you laid out the different puts and takes pretty well.

Speaker 2

Are there any that you want to add to, Matt?

Speaker 4

No, I think you captured everything, Andrew. And like you took fiscal twenty twenty five and put in a full year of Eighth Avenue and then normalized our cold chain businesses for AI, Jeff laid out the run rate we see foodservice at and we think it can grow in accordance with Algo from there just given the value proposition and just where we sit in the marketplace. So I think we feel good about our prospects for next year off a normalized 25%.

Speaker 5

Great. Okay. Thank you for that. And then I'm curious, Rod, maybe just a little more detail on what you're seeing in the cereal category at this point. And I guess why would I'm just curious why private label would be underperforming branded in the category the way that it is?

Speaker 2

Yes, it's a bit of a mystery to me as well. I think perhaps some of the degree of promotion is bringing the price gaps down a little more than it should. I think that the pricing opportunity for us there is still compelling, but it's just not as compelling as it has been compared to branded. Yes.

Speaker 4

Think the only thing I'd add Andrew is our private label and cereal obviously skews the Walmart and they're seeing we think there's some impact there as well given our exposure there.

Speaker 5

Okay, great. Thanks so much.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

And our next question will come from Matt Smith with Stifel. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. To come back to the foodservice performance in the quarter. There was a comment about the pricing reflecting the AI recovery. Should we pricing was up low double digits.

Speaker 1

Was that full amount the pricing recovery of costs you incurred of 2Q or was there some underlying pricing as well? I guess I'm just trying to get a sense relative to the 30,000,000 or $35,000,000 that you expected to recover, how much was delivered above that?

Speaker 4

Yes. I think there was I mean a couple of factors. One is recovery of Q2 largely happened in Q3. And then also again we continue to see elevated egg markets. So we have continued pricing to recover that as well.

Speaker 4

So it's kind of an ongoing process. And once we get our egg supply back as we get through Q4 here, obviously we'll need that pricing and we'll see kind of a normalized view and that's kind of back to the 115 that Jeff talked about is how we'd like to recalibrate the business.

Speaker 3

And then the only thing I would add is on a year over year basis, there's a normal pricing that we would take as we renegotiate contracts. So there's some of that phenomenon in place as well year over year.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And as a follow-up, I wanted to ask about the CapEx moving higher in the guidance for both the PCB projects as well as foodservice investments. Is that incremental scope to these projects or has the cost gone up due to inflation? Just any color there would be helpful and I'll pass it on. Thank you.

Speaker 4

No, it's really a matter of pacing that more than cost growth. So it's just we're spending a little faster. We have an opportunity to do that and we want to accelerate those projects where we can. So it's not a matter of higher cost, it's just faster spend.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Michael LaVerri with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Thank you. Good morning. And congrats, Jeff and Nico both.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Just want to

Speaker 6

come back to just thoughts on M and A. You've obviously just done the Eighth Avenue deal, but with fairly very modest impact on your balance sheet, would it be fair could you give a sense of just how much appetite you still have for more? And what, if any, challenges you're seeing in the marketplace? Or how to think about just what's on your radar? And I know you've mentioned repurchases as an alternative as well.

Speaker 6

Obviously, we'll look for those in the absence of a deal. But just any thoughts on how the M and A landscape looks for you would be great.

Speaker 2

Yes. I mean, think if you look at some of the opportunities right now, they're impacted by the uncertainty of base earnings with tariffs and some of the impacts that could have come from food ingredient changes that we called out in the prepared remarks. I think it's an interesting commentary that the two large opportunity or transactions that have happened in the last couple of months or probably longer than that are both private companies buying public companies. So I think the transactions of public are impacted by the uncertainty I just mentioned. At the same time, multiples across the segment including ours are quite low and the opportunity to use our stronger balance sheet to buy back shares is pretty attractive.

Speaker 2

So as we talked about I think in the past, we looked at it as a balancing process of what are the opportunities externally, I. E. M and A, what are the opportunities internally, meaning share buybacks and what do we need to do from managing our leverage perspective. So with all of that saying, we continue to be open minded to transactions small and large and we just wait for the time to be right.

Speaker 6

Okay. That's helpful. And just a follow-up on the Foodservice quarterly EBITDA run rate. It feels like it's got upside and some headroom there, especially as mix keeps driving tailwinds and you've got both kind of sticky pricing on top of some of the temporary the pull the catch up from second quarter. Is it just a bit of conservative posture to not push that higher yet?

Speaker 6

Or are there any kind of incremental headwinds we should keep in mind? And can you give a sense of maybe what some of your assumptions are for shakes in that in terms of the latest on how it's progressing or what maybe utilization assumptions you may have there?

Speaker 3

So I'll start with the last part first. The shake contribution in that number is pretty modest. While we're continuing to make progress, and I know we've said that probably three, four quarters in a row, and it's accurate. It's just it's a slow slog. So we're still climbing up to where we think normalized profitability would be.

Speaker 3

So over time, depending on your time horizon over time, that is certainly a tailwind that we would expect to provide incremental profit as we progress through 2026 and beyond. In terms of the first part of the question, I think that's a reflection of what we currently see as the run rate of the business. But recall that we view foodservice as a modest grower on a year over year basis, which has been the case throughout our ownership period and prior to our ownership period. So that's a point in time and we would expect that over time it would grow from there.

Speaker 6

Okay. That's helpful. Thank you.

Operator

And our next question comes from David Palmer with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Thank you. I was just maybe hoping that we could do a little bit of market insights on the big two categories within PCB. And first of all, Jeff, all the best in retirement. Congratulations in your career and all the best to you too, Rico. But with regard to Pet and Cereal, the category is up in Pet a couple of percent.

Speaker 7

The sales seem to be moving quickly to the premium and private label sides of the category. Value brands, big brands, basically across the board are losing share there. And I wonder maybe what the insight is there other than perhaps dry versus wet and some of those dynamics in terms of fresh. But and then in cereal, the category is down a couple of percent. It's incredible that private label is not really benefiting.

Speaker 7

It seems maybe to be going to the tidy and low carb type smaller brands seem to be flourishing. And so I'm not really sure how all of this is really informing what you're going to be doing and maybe even spending heading into fiscal twenty sixteen. Do you feel like you have a plan for each to pivot and adjust to these to sort of get back to market share? Just really curious about the plan and the spending levels in particular. Thanks so much.

Speaker 4

I think starting with Pet, again, we've got some as we talked about at beginning of fiscal year, some profit enhancing items and some decisions we made that we wouldn't lap till we got to the end of this fiscal year. And I think what you saw in the quarter was down 13%. I'd say those are about half of that. So as we lap the year, those would fall away and you're left with the consumption trends challenges we've seen mainly around nutrition and then also gravy train that Jeff talked about. Again, we've got plans in place to address both those.

Speaker 4

Obviously the Nutrish launched and we're making some course corrections as we move through that as well. It's going take a little more time than I think we initially anticipated. But we feel good about both of those leveling out or improving that consumption as we get into fiscal twenty

Speaker 2

twenty

Speaker 4

six. And then the other piece was around just some private label business that we lost. We've got clear line of sight to replace one of that over the next couple of quarters. So I think from a volume standpoint, we feel by the middle of next fiscal year, we will largely be closing in on flat relative to what we're seeing today. And then in terms of from a spend standpoint, obviously, we're putting some dollars behind Gravy Train and Nutrition in particular to support the relaunch.

Speaker 4

On the cereal side. From a spend standpoint, I think we continue to be really rational around spending. And in terms of supporting the brands, we do that on a targeted basis. We still think there's additional network optimization we can do. It's not plants, but maybe more lines.

Speaker 4

But again, I think we're also keeping an eye on the category. It's been a tough year and thinking as we lap next year, expect to see some year over year comps improving in terms of just the rate of decline we've seen in cereal. But we'll keep an eye on that as we think about additional optimization.

Speaker 7

So it sounds just a summary is that you don't expect to have a very significant increase in the spending levels promotion and otherwise rather just tactical changes with regard

Speaker 2

to brand?

Speaker 4

Yes. I tactical is a great way to describe it.

Speaker 7

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Scott Marks with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hey, good morning. Thanks so much for taking our questions. First thing I wanted to ask about, you made a comment in the prepared remarks about some higher input costs because of product reformulations and some regulatory changes. So maybe just wondering if you can kind of walk us through how you're thinking about the shape of the portfolio and how you intend maybe to adjust the portfolio a little bit to meet some of these new trends and policy updates?

Speaker 3

Well, I think we're going to certainly have some innovation. So to David's question before, one of the things that we're going to do is attempt some innovation in cereal that's more targeted at the types of products that are performing well from tea to enhanced cereals, that sort of thing. More broadly with regard to ingredients, I think we're going to take a pragmatic approach. You've seen some commitments from some of our peers to eliminate some of the ingredients. We're certainly going to look at reformulation of our products over time, but are going to take a pragmatic view as to how quickly we do that and whether we do that across the board or within certain products.

Speaker 3

So think the short answer is to say we're going to take a tactical view. We're going to make tweaks along the edges, but we're not anticipating any major changes in particular in fiscal twenty twenty six with regard to those items.

Speaker 8

Got it. Thanks for that. And then maybe as a follow-up. Earlier in the call, you also mentioned, obviously, the buyout of W. K.

Speaker 8

Kellogg. Maybe if you can share your thoughts around a possible new entrant into the category with deeper pockets for innovation and investment and how you think about that maybe changing the dynamics within the cereal category from here?

Speaker 2

I think you have a situation of one very large and very respected company being acquiring a smaller but also very well respected company with the likely outcome being the category will be enhanced by the size of the acquirer. But I think until we actually see the transaction close, we would be hesitant to make further comment.

Speaker 8

Got it. I'll pass it on. Thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from Mark Turinte with Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Hi, good morning. Thank you for the questions. Jeff, congratulations on the retirement. Guess first on Eighth Avenue, kind of two parts. How has that business in its categories been tracking over the last couple of quarters, top line and profitability?

Speaker 9

And you previously increased your outlook to account for the deal closing, the deal closed on time. Any change to your expected contribution for this year? And then going forward, any seasonality considerations for that business? Should that track more or less in line with PCB? Thanks.

Speaker 4

No material changes to this fiscal year contribution. And then as the outlook for next year remains similar, I'd say what we found and not surprising as we watch the businesses with the backdrop it was under over the last six or nine months and uncertainty about where the business was going to land. Definitely saw a pullback in performance of the business here as of the last couple of quarters. We see a path to improvement in line with what we called out when we acquired the business for next year. But no seasonality I would really call out.

Speaker 4

It's material within the business. And if there's anything else you'd add, Jeff, I think that's

Speaker 3

I think that covers it.

Speaker 9

Great. And then maybe just an update on some of the timing of the plan optimization savings. It sounds as though the step up in CapEx could pull some of that forward. And then just given how the cereal category has trended, where do you think this takes you for your utilization? And how does that compare versus your optimal outlook?

Speaker 9

Thanks.

Speaker 4

Yes. So again, it doesn't really pull forward what the actions we're taking on the plant optimization. They're still on track for the end of the calendar year. And in terms of utilization, we would expect that would get us back up into the mid-80s. And then I think it's really a matter of, like I said, how does the cereal category perform?

Speaker 4

If it's more like this year, we have to move quicker on additional steps. If it levels out and becomes more normalized from what we've seen historically, feel like we're in a good spot for next fiscal year.

Speaker 9

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Jon Baumgartner with Mizuho. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Good morning. Thanks for the question. And Jeff, congrats on retirement. I really appreciated all of your insights over the years.

Speaker 2

Thank you. I guess,

Speaker 10

first off for me in Pet, I'd like to follow-up there given the portfolio adjustments. It seems as though

Speaker 6

you had a fast start out

Speaker 10

of the gate rebuilding with existing customers in the old Smucker business. But as that's normalized, how do you think about portfolio balance at this point? Are there opportunities to maybe participate more heavily in different channels, e commerce, specialty? Are there opportunities to have a presence in some of the specialized formulas? Just how do you envision the portfolio from where it sits today with steady state brands and distribution and where it could maybe evolve from here?

Speaker 2

Well, I think there are many opportunities to change the composition of the portfolio, whether it's channel or price point or even breed. So I think there are many opportunities there. However, I think the most important thing to realize is that we want to make sure that we that what we bought sticks and part of what we bought was a brand in Nutrish that we knew needed work. So we will continue to make sure that Nutrish is where it needs to be before we do too much portfolio management.

Speaker 10

Okay, great. And then as a follow-up on Refrigerated Retail and the side dishes business, It looks like the volumes have been performing pretty well, at least in the scanner data, and you've done it with, I guess, reasonably stable pricing. Can you dig in a bit more into the drivers there? What's behind the performance? And how to think about maybe next twelve months in terms of growth through distribution, innovation, next steps for that business?

Speaker 4

Sure. I think we feel good. Yes, to your point, obviously, had a lift with Easter and then we've had good performance this quarter. Last year we had some challenges with trade Where we overshot on trade aid into the base business, and we, of course, corrected that and then a much better spot this year. I think we are seeing additional opportunities and gains within distribution.

Speaker 4

And also price points. We've targeted opportunities there as well in terms of alternative products within our that we can offer and diversify similar to what we see in PCD. So I think as we look to next year, I think we feel really good about some top line opportunities for that piece of the business.

Speaker 10

Thanks, Matt. Thanks for your time.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Carla Casella with JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Hi. Just a quick question on the Eighth Avenue acquisition, you're funding it with revolver and cash, but any thoughts about coming in issuing bonds to eventually or term loan to eventually put in longer term financing for that?

Speaker 4

Yes, it's something that we definitely obviously keep an eye on the markets really closely. I think right now just more of in a monitoring mode, but I think at some point that certainly could be an option for us. But right now in a really good spot from a cash flow liquidity standpoint. So in no rush and I think we'll remain opportunistic.

Operator

Okay, great. That's all I had.

Speaker 4

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. We've reached the end of the Q and A session. Thanks for joining us. You may now disconnect.

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