WEC Energy Group Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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October 31, 2024

There are 13 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good afternoon and welcome to WEC Energy Group's Conference Call for Third Quarter 2024 Results. This call is being recorded for rebroadcast and all participants are in a listen only mode at this time. After the presentation, the conference will be open to analysts for questions and answers. In conjunction with this call, a package of detailed financial information is posted at wecenergygroup.com. A replay will be available approximately 2 hours after the conclusion of this call.

Operator

Before the conference call begins, please note that all statements in the presentation other than historical facts are forward looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties that are subject to change at any time. Such statements are based on management's expectations at the time they are made. In addition to the assumptions and other factors referred to in connection with the statements, factors described in WEC Energy Group's latest Form 10 ks and subsequent reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission could cause actual results to differ materially from those contemplated. During the discussions, referenced earnings per share will be based on diluted earnings per share unless otherwise noted. This call also will include non GAAP financial information.

Operator

The company has provided reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures in the materials posted on its website for this conference call. And now, it's my pleasure to introduce Scott Lauber, President and Chief Executive Officer of WEC Energy Group.

Speaker 1

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today as we review our results for the Q3 of 2024. Here with me are Shaul Liu, our Chief Financial Officer and Beth Straka, Senior Vice President and Chief in Corporate Communications and Investor Relations. As you saw from our news release this morning, we reported Q3 2024 adjusted earnings of $0.82 per share. This excludes a charge of $0.06 per share related to the disallowance of certain 2016 capital expenditures under the qualifying infrastructure plant rider in Illinois. With this solid quarter, we remain on track for a strong 2024.

Speaker 1

Our focus on executing the fundamentals of our business is creating real value for our customers and stockholders. Today, we're reaffirming our earnings guidance for the year. On an adjusted basis, the range is $4.80 to $4.90 a share. Of course, this assumes normal weather through the remainder of 2024. We continue to see strong foundation of growth in the region.

Speaker 1

The unemployment rate in Wisconsin stands at 2.9%, continuing a long running trend below the national average. Microsoft is making good progress on its large data center complex in Southeast Wisconsin. The company has continued to increase its land holdings as part of this development. It has been reported that Microsoft now owns over 1900 acres, up from 1300 acres at the beginning of the year and work is well underway. We're seeing development elsewhere in the state as well.

Speaker 1

Amazon, for example, opened a 1,100,000 square foot warehouse in Kenosha earlier this year. The company is growing steadily with additional distribution facilities and is also starting to use electric delivery vans in its fleet. And in Green Bay, Georgia Pacific completed a major mill expansion just last month with an investment of $550,000,000 Of course, this growth is spawning small commercial and residential developments throughout the region. This highlights the strength and the potential of our local economy and underscores the need for the investments in our updated capital plan. And speaking of capital plan, we're very excited to roll out the plan for the period 2025 to 2029.

Speaker 1

As you may have seen from our announcement this morning, we expect to invest $28,000,000,000 over the next 5 years. This is the largest capital plan in our history, an increase of $4,300,000,000 above our previous 5 year plan. That's more than an 18% increase. Once again, a major factor in our plan is the economic growth we're seeing in Southeastern Wisconsin, particularly in what we call the I-ninety four corridor between Milwaukee and the Illinois State Line. This plan supports 1800 megawatts of additional demand over the next 5 years.

Speaker 1

That's an incremental 400 megawatts from our previous plan. In our new 5 year plan, we expect our asset base growth to an average rate of 8.8 percent a year. This supports our long term projected earnings per share growth of 6.5% to 7% a year on a compound annual basis. As I mentioned, we increased our capital plan by $4,300,000,000 driven by an increase in regulated electric generation, transmission and distribution and partially offset by a reduction in energy infrastructure. Let me give you a few updates on the details.

Speaker 1

Over the next 5 years, we'll continue to transform our power generation fleet to support economic growth, reliability and compliance with EPA rules by investing in renewables and natural gas generation. Between 20252029, we plan to increase our investment in regulated renewables by $2,100,000,000 over our prior plan. In total, we plan to invest $9,100,000,000 in 2,900 megawatts of solar, 900 megawatts of wind and almost 600 megawatts of battery storage. That adds up to 4,400 megawatts, more than quadrupling our carbon free generation from where we are today. These resources save on fuel cost and provide benefits to customers through tax credits.

Speaker 1

To support economic growth and system reliability when the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine and on those extreme weather days, we need dispatchable resources. We expect to spend an incremental $900,000,000 on modern efficient natural gas generation over the next 5 years versus the prior plan. This includes both combustion turbines and reciprocating internal combustion engines or RICE units. Also, we plan to invest an additional $400,000,000 in liquefied natural gas capacity for another 2 PCF facility. This will be used to meet customer demand for heating and ensure gas supply for our power generation.

Speaker 1

In addition, American Transmission Company will be adding transmission capabilities to serve the region's robust economic growth, connecting new renewables and strengthening the system. Our plan calls for us to invest $3,200,000,000 in that effort between 2025 2029. This represents a $200,000,000 increase from the previous plan. And to help assure reliability and support economic growth, we're continuing to invest in our distribution networks with an additional $700,000,000 in the plan. Given the significant investment opportunity in our regulated businesses, we have reduced our planned investments in our infrastructure segment by $800,000,000 compared to the last plan.

Speaker 1

This leaves us approximately $400,000,000 in the plan for next year. And today, I'm pleased to announce our plan to acquire a 90% interest in Hardin Solar 3 Energy Park located in Ohio. We expect to invest approximately $410,000,000 to add 250 megawatts of renewable energy to our infrastructure portfolio when the projects come online, currently expected in the Q1 of 2025. Our future is bright, investment opportunity has never been stronger and we're focused on execution. We look forward to providing more detail on our plan in just a few weeks at the EEI conference.

Speaker 1

Turning to the regulatory front, I have a few updates across our service areas. In Wisconsin, rate reviews are nearly complete for test years 20252026. All testimony and hearings are concluded in the case and we expect a decision by the end of the year with new rates effective January 1, 2025. As you know, in Michigan, the Public Service Commission has now approved the settlements in the 2025 rate cases for both Michigan Gas Utilities and Upper Michigan Energy Resources, each with an ROE of 9.86%. And in Illinois, we're actively engaged in 2 dockets.

Speaker 1

One is the review of the safety modernization program. The next steps are an ALJ proposed order at the end of November, final briefings to the ICC in December and the commission's final decision expected in the Q1 of 2025. The other docket is an evaluation of the future of natural gas in Illinois, which was initially planned to conclude next year. The ICC has extended this docket into 2026. Of course, we'll keep you updated on any further developments.

Speaker 1

Now, I'll turn to Shah to provide you with more details on our financial results and our financing plans.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Scott. Turning now to earnings. Our Q3 2024 adjusted earnings were $0.82 per share. This excludes the $0.06 per share charge related to the disallowance of certain 2016 capital expenditures under the QIP rider in Illinois. While this was a decrease of $0.18 per share quarter over quarter, we did exceed our Q3 guidance range, driven by more favorable September weather, financing and timing of tax items compared to the guidance.

Speaker 2

As Scott indicated, we remain on track to meet our 2024 adjusted earnings guidance. Now let's look at our quarter over quarter variances. Our earnings package includes a comparison of adjusted 3rd quarter results on Page 16. I'll walk through the significant drivers. Starting with our utility operations, adjusted earnings in the Q3 of 2024 were $0.18 lower when compared to 2023.

Speaker 2

This decrease was driven by the Illinois rate design change, higher O and M, depreciation and amortization and interest expense. These items more than offset favorable weather, timing of fuel expense, taxes and other items. Specifically on weather, compared to normal conditions, we estimate that weather had a $0.02 positive impact in the Q3 of 2024 compared to a $0.01 positive impact in 2023. Also, as I reminded you on the last few calls, with the rate design changes at Peoples Gas, base revenues are now more concentrated in the 1st and 4th quarters when natural gas usage is the highest. This shift resulted in lower third quarter earnings when compared to the prior year.

Speaker 2

Before I turn to earnings at the other segments, let me briefly discuss our weather normal electric sales for the quarter. Retail electric deliveries in Wisconsin, excluding the iron ore mine were up 0.4% quarter over quarter. Sales from residential and small C and I segments both slightly increased compared to Q3 last year. Overall, year to date, retail electric volumes are in line with our forecast. Looking at ATC, continued capital investment contributed an incremental penny to Q3 earnings compared to 2023.

Speaker 2

Remember, we have been recognizing earnings at 10.38% ROE. I'll discuss in a few minutes that we have some tailwind in Q4 related to FERC's recent decision of 10.48 percent ROE. And in our Energy Infrastructure segment, earnings improved $0.06 in the Q3 of 2024 compared to the Q3 of 2023. This was primarily driven by production tax credits resulting from higher PTC rates approved by the IRS in the 3rd quarter as well as a quarter over quarter increase in production from our renewable generation facilities. Finally, you'll see that earnings at our Corporate and Other segments decreased $0.07 as a result of the impact of tax timing and higher interest expense.

Speaker 2

As Scott noted, we are reaffirming our 2024 annual guidance on an adjusted basis. That range is $4.80 to $4.90 per share. This includes October weather and assumes normal weather for the remainder of the year. Year to date compared to last year, we're $0.07 behind largely due to weather. However, looking ahead, we have some tailwinds in Q4 this year.

Speaker 2

This will help us to achieve our adjusted earnings guidance. For example, as I mentioned just now, we have been recognizing earnings at ATC assuming a 10.38% ROE. With FERC's decision on the 10.48%, we will be able to unwind a reserve at EPC in Q4 to reflect this change. This item is about $0.05 a share that we have included in our guidance. And recall weather was $0.07 unfavorable in Q4 last year.

Speaker 2

Assuming normal weather for the remainder of this year, it also should be a tailwind. Overall, we remain on track to meet our 2024 adjusted earnings guidance. Now turning to our financing plan. For 2024, we continue to utilize dividend reinvestment and employee benefit plans to issue common equity. Also, we have now formally put in place an ATM program, which we plan to tap into during this quarter.

Speaker 2

Overall, we still project that our common equity issuance will be up to $200,000,000 for 2024. Beyond 2024, Scott has outlined our new 5 year capital plan. I'll spend a few minutes discussing our anticipated financing plan. You can find this information on Page 22 of the earnings packet. As you can see on the chart, over the next 5 years, we expect cash from operations to fund $18,500,000,000 to $19,500,000,000 or about 60% of our cash needs.

Speaker 2

About $9,500,000,000 to $10,000,000,000 or 31 percent of the funding is expected to come from incremental debt. This could include some junior subordinated notes or other instruments with equity content. And the remaining 9% of cash is expected to be funded by common equity. This range is between $2,700,000,000 to $3,200,000,000 As I said previously, the cadence of common equity is a function of capital. Given the strong capital plan in 2025, we expect common equity to be between $700,000,000 to $800,000,000 All in all, compared to the prior 5 year plan, we expect about 50% of the $4,300,000,000 additional capital to be financed with increased equity content.

Speaker 2

Finally, as shown on Page 21 of the earnings package, through our capital allocation, we expect the percent of asset base in our regulated electric businesses to grow faster over the next 5 years. This is driven by the strong economic development and demand growth in Wisconsin and our continued energy transition plans. At the same time, the percent of asset base in gas distribution and contracted renewables is expected to decline. Particularly, you can see that we expect our asset base in Illinois to decline from 16% in 2023 to 10% in 2029 with only 9% at People's Gas. In closing, we are excited about our company's future and the investment opportunities ahead of us.

Speaker 2

With that, I'll turn it back to Scott.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Shah. Finally, a quick reminder about the dividend. I expect we'll provide our 2025 dividend plan and earnings guidance in December. We continue to target a payout ratio of 65% to 70% of earnings. We're positioned well within the range, so I expect our dividend growth will continue to be in line with the growth of the earnings per share.

Speaker 1

Overall, we're on track and focused on providing value for our customers and our stockholders. Operator, we're now ready for the question and answer portion of the call.

Operator

Now we will take your questions. The question and answer session will be conducted electronically. Your first question comes from the line of Shar Pourreza from Guggenheim Partners. Your line is open.

Speaker 3

Hey, Scott. Hey, Shar. Hey, Shar.

Speaker 4

How are you doing?

Speaker 5

Good. All right. Not too bad. Not too bad. Scott, let me just I know this is kind of a repeated question for me, but I have to ask just given the size in your kind of resource mix, I want to just touch on Point Beach for a sec.

Speaker 5

I mean, obviously, many of the infrastructure segment PPAs roll off around the time of the Point Beach PPA. Are those kind of viable alternatives? If you can't get there with NextEra, would you look to backstop them with dispatchable capacity, so some incremental spend there? Just directionally, how is that bid ask progressing?

Speaker 1

Sure. And as just a reminder for everyone, our PPA with Point Beach ends, I think the one contract ended December of 2,030, the other is March of 2,033. And like we talked about, we have been in very constructive discussions on the Point Beach with NxThera. We're making good progress on both sides. We've been really busy up here with the Wisconsin rate case.

Speaker 1

I think they've been busy down there with some hurricane activity. So we're making good progress, more to come. I expect you'll see more in the next 6 months. But lining up really well, we think, for everybody.

Speaker 5

Okay. That's helpful. And then obviously, Scott, very healthy CapEx update. I just I'm not getting a strong sense on why we saw sort of that CapEx reduction on the infrastructure side. I think it's been some time there's been some sort of a de emphasis of that segment.

Speaker 5

I just want to get a better sense on what's driving. Is it sort of a capital allocation return issue? Is the kind of demand for contracted renewables slowed? I guess, what exactly is going on in that segment? Should we kind of start tempering our expectations there?

Speaker 1

No. I mean, what we looked at in last year, we went through the plan. We had actually reduced that segment also just because the amount of economic development. And then as what happened in Illinois and we reduced our capital plan there, we said we were going to spend about $800,000,000 incremental. And the last contract we announced here hits all our investment profiles and it fills that amount of the $800,000,000 we said we're going to do.

Speaker 1

We just have a lot of capital within the regulated utility with the economic development going on in Wisconsin and we just want to concentrate on that. The economics have been good. On the other, in the infrastructure segment, it's just we've got a lot to deploy here in Wisconsin. So we're going to concentrate on that.

Speaker 5

Okay. That is perfect. Thanks, guys. We'll see you in a week in Florida and congrats on getting Warner. Appreciate it.

Speaker 1

Absolutely. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Julien Dumoulin Smith from Jefferies. Your line is open. [SPEAKER JULIEN

Speaker 6

DUMOULIN SMITH:]

Speaker 7

Hey, good afternoon team. How are you guys doing?

Speaker 1

Good. How are you doing Julian?

Speaker 7

It's great to chat with you guys. Thank you. Just talking about Illinois a little

Speaker 5

bit more here. On PGL here, there's a few different options that have been put on the table here and there's a staff rack out there. How do you think about that option 3? I suppose about $7,000,000,000 ish to 2,040. How does that compare with what you guys are updating here today?

Speaker 5

And is there any upside visavis what you guys are betting against that proposed outcome here? I'll let you guys comment.

Speaker 1

Yes. Sure. That's a good question. And option 3, just to get everyone on the same page, option 3 has the spending and it's the option it's the lowest spending option. It's the preferred option by PGL.

Speaker 1

And then staff also came out ICC staff came out and recommended option 3 also that has about $7,200,000,000 of spending over the period. When you look at what we put together in the 5 year plan and you know, Sean and I don't like to have much any white space if any in our 5 year plan. So we took the capital down just to the emergency work and the work needed for facility relocates. So, that's about $90,000,000 a year in our plan for the next 5 years. So, if this plan would get picked up, I think that could be an upside of maybe $100,000,000 to $150,000,000 maybe $200,000,000 a year.

Speaker 1

But remember, if they would pick that, we ramp down those projects very quickly of what we were doing. So it would take a while to ramp back up. But we took basically just the bare minimum and put in our current 5 year plan. So there would be upside if one of these options is selected.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Michael Sullivan from Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Speaker 3

Yes. Hey, good afternoon.

Speaker 6

Hi, Michael.

Speaker 3

Hey, Scott. Maybe just wanted to ask for a little more color on the Wisconsin case that you have pending and maybe why you weren't able to settle there? What some of the sticking points might be and how you're feeling about the final order coming up?

Speaker 1

Sure. Sure. So we are extremely far in the Wisconsin case. When you think about the Wisconsin case, we've gone through all the hearings. In fact, the final decision matrix just came out the other day.

Speaker 1

So, we're about as far along in the Wisconsin case that we've ever been this time of the year. So, right now, the next step is the commission making a decision, which they usually do. Historically, it's been the 1st week in December, the 1st or second week in December, but they're far along and they've got everything ready for a decision. Now the idea of a settlement and we've talked a little bit about settlement. We're very happy where the staff position came out.

Speaker 1

I think everyone still related to 2 years ago on the settlement that we had in Wisconsin, I think everyone wants to just see the commission go through a case. I'm very comfortable with the commission going through a case and deciding, going through the decision matrix. So, we just weren't able to come up to a settlement, but I'm not concerned about that. I think overall, our commission is filled with really balanced individuals that understand the importance of reliability and the economic development in the region. So, we're ready for a decision.

Speaker 1

We just couldn't get there in the settlement, but that's not all bad either. I think everyone wants to see what's going on here.

Speaker 3

Okay. Does

Speaker 6

that answer your question? Yes, it does.

Speaker 3

Yes, very helpful, Scott. And then I just had two questions just on the earnings side. On this ATC ROE that you're going to book in Q4, I guess, how should we think about why you are not raising guidance for that or what would have happened if you didn't weren't able to book that?

Speaker 1

No, that's a good question. And things move around in our forecast, and it came through there. We just got a little bit of timing of some other expenses that we anticipate maybe would come through a little bit better, but timing we got to make sure we execute on it. So factoring it all in and we went through and factored everything through here and comfortable with keeping the guidance where it's

Speaker 8

at. Okay.

Speaker 3

And then last one

Speaker 8

just Michael,

Speaker 2

this is Sean. Just remember, we had a really mild Q1. Year to date, we're $0.06 behind on weather. So like Scott said, there are lots of things that have kind of developed throughout the year and this $0.05 will help us offset some of the weather deficit.

Speaker 3

Okay. Appreciate that color. And then the last one for me just to level set ahead of December here. So can you just remind what the basis for your long term EPS CAGR? And will that shift with the December update?

Speaker 3

And how do we think about the potential to get back in that 6.5% to 7% range after kind of being short of that this year based on your guide?

Speaker 9

Sure.

Speaker 1

And our 6.5% to 7% and we are still using the 2023 base. I think it was $4.60 as our starting point for our guidance because last year because of the Illinois decision and some adjustments we had to do there and timing of when we could do our capital investments. So we're keeping that 2023 base this year as we look at our long term guidance. We will we got to get through the rate case here and we'll come out with our plan next in December after we get through that.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Neil Colton from Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open.

Speaker 10

Hi, guys. How are you doing?

Speaker 1

Good. Hey, Neil.

Speaker 10

So, quick question, Scott, you opened up talking about the Microsoft, that they acquired more land. I think you said 1900 acres, is that correct in total?

Speaker 1

Correct. So, at the beginning of the year, they started about 1300 and now they're up to 1900 acres.

Speaker 10

Okay, perfect. And then in terms of the CapEx refresh, I know you're kind of waiting on Microsoft to lay out additional plans what they intend to do. Was there anything in this CapEx revision that sort of incorporated potential spend for what they might do to some extent or is that still all to be determined all on the come?

Speaker 1

So what this has in and what we talked about is 1800 megawatts of capacity for the region over this 5 year period, which includes Microsoft, which includes getting some demand in from some electric vehicles and all the other economic development in the region. So that's 1800 megawatts. Just to put that in perspective, our system is about 7,500 megawatts. So it's a little over 20% growth in capacity or demand needs in the region. So all of that is factored into our 5 year plan.

Speaker 1

But just like many other companies, we are getting inquiries from a variety of other data centers. We just don't come out with a number until we really feel comfortable that it's actually going to happen. But if there would be any upside from any future stuff, that would probably be in those outer half of the plan. But based on the conversations, there's just a lot of good discussion on continued economic development in the region.

Speaker 10

Okay. Okay. Got it. And then I mean, so just and maybe there's only limited as to what you can say, but like if Microsoft were to formally announce a Phase 2, would that be something that would necessitate more capacity?

Speaker 1

That would have to see what their I mean Microsoft is we'll let Microsoft make their announcements. Working with them on the demand, I'm not sure if that actually includes some other phases or not. They just we work with them on kind of the demand over the period and kind of keep it inside baseball here unfortunately. But

Speaker 3

that's

Speaker 1

the way they want to do it, which is fine.

Speaker 10

Okay. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Neil.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Weisel from Scotiabank. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Hey, everybody. Good afternoon.

Speaker 1

Hey, Andrew. I

Speaker 6

want to clarify a little on the CapEx update. Obviously, some very big numbers here and I appreciate the granular detail on the moving pieces. One I wanted to clarify was electric generation. You showed that the total on Page 18 went up by $3,700,000,000 but the commentary on Page 17 really only calls out $3,000,000,000 You showed that regulated renewables and the natural gas generation were missing about $700,000,000 So what else is in that bucket? And then it looks like similarly there's about $100,000,000 increase for natural gas distribution.

Speaker 6

Would I be correct? Is that just higher day to day spending and cost inflation? Or have you made some assumptions around regulation and policy changes in Illinois compared to the assumptions you made when you gave the last update in February?

Speaker 1

Yes. Good questions. Really quick analysis of the numbers. So when you look at the gas distribution and you go behind the numbers, it's actually a decrease in Illinois and an increase in the other parts of the service territory, Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota as it relates to adding capital for good customer growth and just other area expansion. I think as you look at the PHMSA rules, there could be some requirements that more capital is needed until we see the final FMS rules.

Speaker 1

It's hard to really handicap the final number. So that's really a plus in the other areas, a little decline in Illinois. And in the generation, you're exactly right, there's probably about another $700,000,000 That's in a variety of projects across the enterprise, from looking at upgrading a wind farm to get some additional production tax credits to adding some more resilience in a few of our generating plants to looking at other different types of backup storage just to make sure we have that additional resilience. So it's a variety of items all in that generation area just so we can make sure we continue to hit that demand.

Speaker 6

Okay, great. That's very helpful. Then on the transmission side, you increased it by $200,000,000 Is that all related to near term economic development? Would I be correct in assuming that the MISO tranche 2 stuff is more outside of this forecast period?

Speaker 1

Yes, you're exactly right. More of the MISO Tranche 2 is going to be after this most likely after this 5 year plan, maybe a little bit at the very end, but most of it's going to be after the 5 year plan. But we'll know more of that in the final numbers come December.

Speaker 6

Very good. And one last one here on the load growth. I think you said you're now expecting 1800 megawatts of incremental load that's up from 1400 megawatts. I don't think you commented on what that means in terms of percentage load growth forecast. Is that something that you can share now or is that something you plan to share at EEI?

Speaker 1

Sure, sure. We can talk about it now. So, what when it looks at a megawatt hour basis, and I think these are probably on the low side, but we extended that 4.5% to 5% electric sales growth through 2029. So, we continue to see the volumes on a megawatt hour basis. And on a megawatt basis, we are at up 1800 on a base of about 7,500.

Speaker 1

So that's a little over a 20% increase on the demand on our sales. So very significant demand increase. And I really look at the demand as being a key component because that's really where we have to build the dispatchable resources to make sure we have enough demand and capacity hit on those peak days.

Speaker 6

That makes sense? Yes. Thank you so much.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Sophie Karp from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Speaker 11

Hi. Good afternoon. Thank you for taking my question.

Speaker 1

Absolutely, Sophie.

Speaker 11

So it's a great update all around, right? Your load growth is going higher. Very, very healthy capital update as well. Wisconsin rate case is in its kind of last innings already. Is there any reason why, I guess, you wouldn't raise the EPS growth rate when you do refresh your guidance in December?

Speaker 11

Are there any like offsetting factors we are missing here that would prevent that from happening?

Speaker 1

That's a good question. And when we looked at it, we did we added capital in Wisconsin. We also reduced it in the WEC infrastructure, but also looked at Illinois in reducing it. So as we looked at it and add in the equity needs and the debt needs, we're very comfortable with that 6.5% to 7%. We do have to get through the Wisconsin rate case and really hear what goes on in our safety modernization program in Illinois, which we'll hear in the first quarter of next year.

Speaker 1

But it's really just being realistic on the financing plans associated with our capital spending and taking down capital in some of the other areas.

Speaker 11

Got it. Okay. Thank you. This is all for me. We'll see you at the AI.

Speaker 1

End.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Durgesh Chopra from Evercore ISI. Your line is open.

Speaker 12

Hey, team. Good afternoon. I got some Heribo gummy bears sitting outside my front door. That's my trick or treat.

Speaker 1

Excellent. Excellent. Thank you for supporting the community.

Speaker 12

There you go and they are sourced from Milwaukee. Okay. So, so couple of questions. Shah,

Speaker 5

just

Speaker 12

I know you talked about 50% of the capital funded through equity. But when I compare plan, the prior plan over the current plan, the CapEx has gone up $4,300,000,000 but the equity has only gone up roughly $1,000,000,000 it's gone up from like $2,000,000,000 to $3,000,000,000 at the midpoint of the current guidance range. So maybe just why is it I would have thought that the equity is a lot higher. Maybe just help us bridge the 2 plan equity issuances between the two plans, please?

Speaker 2

Yes, I'd be happy to. So the last plan, remember the range was 195 $1,000,000,000 to $235,000,000,000 This plan, the range is $2,700,000,000 to $3,200,000,000 So to your point, it's roughly about $800,000,000 increase in common equity. We also are adding some holding company debt, particularly using maybe some hybrids that would give us 50% of the equity content. So if you include that, plus the $800,000,000 of common equity, that's around $2,000,000,000 increase in equity content. So our capital has gone up $4,300,000,000 We're adding a little over $2,000,000,000 of equity content, including the $800,000,000 of common equity.

Speaker 12

Got it. As always, that is crystal clear. Thank you, Shah. And then maybe just quickly wanted to follow-up on Delilah Solar. Is the plan that still that it completes construction and goes into service by the end of the year?

Speaker 12

Is that still on track?

Speaker 1

Yes, that is correct. Delilah and Maple Flats are both on track by the end of the year.

Speaker 12

All right. Thank you so much. Appreciate the time.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jeremy Tonet from JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Speaker 9

Hi, good afternoon.

Speaker 1

Good afternoon.

Speaker 9

Happy Halloween, everyone. Just wanted to go into the addition of gas generation and how that contributes to LNG operations overall. Do you have any thoughts you could share there?

Speaker 1

Sure, sure. And we're adding more gas generation. And as you can imagine, we want to make sure that we have that dispatchable gas our own gas within the state of Wisconsin to make sure we can run the generation and keep the houses warm on the gas side. So we added another 2 Bcf in our plan. Literally the one that we're looking at and we filed at the commission is sitting where a coal pile used to sit.

Speaker 1

So having that stored energy or stored fuel in the state of Wisconsin near the power plants are very helpful to make sure on those coldest days of the year that we have enough energy in the state to be able to run those plants. Couple of years ago, we had one of our pipelines, not our pipeline, but one of our vendor suppliers pipeline had a compressor issue that really made the state of Wisconsin really thin on natural gas. So having those LNG tanks are going to be very critical to keep that reliability.

Speaker 9

Got it. Very helpful there. And then going a bit further here with there's a big call on generation broadly in the country. And just wondering if you could provide us thoughts on reserve margins, how it stands now, where it could be going? And as it relates to gas generation, coal generation, coal in particular, does it affect retirement timelines given this greater need?

Speaker 9

And at the same time, could CCS be part of the answer here? Just wondering if you have thoughts on these topics.

Speaker 1

Sure. And gas generation is critical for us as we look at having something dispatchable. I mean, today the wind is blowing, but some days the wind doesn't blow or the sun isn't shining. So, we are looking at building our generation, the mix renewables and gas generation and just to make sure we're staying ahead of the reserve margin that's needed for MISO. And they've continued to evolve their rules as more renewables appropriately as more renewables get on the system

Speaker 9

to

Speaker 1

make sure they have the seasonal demand and the load following type of needs here on the capacity. So that is very important for us as we continue to grow out our capacity plans. What was your second part?

Speaker 9

Carbon capture with regard to gas generation and just coal plant retirements in general, the generation gives you

Speaker 1

the Yes. And the carbon capture, for us, we don't have any natural place to store the carbon here in Wisconsin. And if we had to do carbon capture, we think it would cost our customers $1,000,000,000 to $2,000,000,000 more in order to do carbon capture and haul it someplace that you look at where you're going to store it and then you have the transmission of it. So, we, of course, looked at it. Is it possible?

Speaker 1

It just did not seem viable and cost effective for our customers versus the plan that we're developing here and we laid out in front of you. And when you think about the coal retirements, we already retired Oak Creek 56. The other Unit 7 and 8, we plan to retire at the end of 2025 and we're doing that because we're putting in some of the more efficient gas generation. And to be quite honest, if we weren't going to retire 7 and 8, we'd have to add additional capital to those plants to have them extend longer and add the carbon capture. So those are still planning to be in retirements.

Speaker 1

Some of the plants like Weston 3, we plan on retiring by 2,031. We all we continue to look, does it make sense to use natural gas there or some other fuel. I don't know if it would be economical or not, but it really hasn't adjusted much of our coal adjustments either, our coal plant retirements.

Speaker 9

Got it. That's very helpful. Thank you for that. And just one last quick one, if I could, as far as 25 funding needs are concerned for equity content. Just wondering, is it makes sense for the ATM?

Speaker 9

Could we see a block? How much transferability, I guess, is in the mix here? Sure.

Speaker 1

I'll let Shah take that one.

Speaker 2

Yes. So we have remember, we still have the employee benefit plans on. So that will be part of the equity raise for next year. So the ATM should handle the remaining piece fairly easily. So we don't plan to have a block sale right now.

Speaker 2

The tax credits are already included in the FFO. So on average, we've been selling $100,000,000 to $200,000,000 so far. And as we continue to add renewable projects, that number could grow a little bit, but those are already assumed in the FFO.

Speaker 9

Got it. Thank you. Very helpful. I'll leave it there.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Nicholas Campanella from Barclays. Your line is open.

Speaker 8

Hey, good morning or good afternoon rather. Wow, long day. Thanks for taking my questions. So just one for me, a lot of things have been answered. I guess just kind of decomposing that 8.8% asset based growth figure, it does seem like a lot of the growth is kind of coming from Wisconsin.

Speaker 8

So just what's rate based growth outlook in Wisconsin as you see it today versus kind of what you've been kind of trending at or executing at the past few years? And that's it for me. Thanks.

Speaker 1

So, when you look at the rate base growth in Wisconsin, it's got to be, oh, I don't know, I imagine between 14% 15%. Pretty significant rate base growth, but remember, that's where all the economic growth is. And when you look at the economic growth and we usually look at the growth and try to break it into different components being whether it's growth from sales, growth from resiliency. And a lot of our growth, I would say, I don't know, dollars $8,000,000,000 to $9,000,000,000 of it is related to economic development and growth of the support of the economy. So it's really driven that sales are going to help grow into that.

Speaker 1

So that's significant. And then ATC has good growth. So we're also growing a lot in American Transmission Company, which is Wisconsin based also but FERC regulated. So a lot of growth in Wisconsin largely driven by economic development.

Speaker 2

Yes, Nick, 40% of our this is Shaw. 40% of our total capital is we call the growth capital. So that comes with the large customers paying for their required demand and related costs. So we feel good about the growth in Wisconsin and also the driver for it.

Speaker 8

All right. Well, thanks a lot. We'll see you soon. Thank you.

Operator

And your final question comes from the line of Paul Patterson from Glenrock Associates. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Hey.

Speaker 6

Hey, Paul.

Speaker 4

Good afternoon.

Speaker 1

Good afternoon. Just

Speaker 4

to follow things up, is there any change well, first of all, could you just sort of remind me what your what the rate increase outlook is given the new CapEx program if it's changed at all and just what it is again?

Speaker 1

Sure. And we're right now going through the rate case in Wisconsin. So if you go out and you're starting to look at 'twenty seven through 'twenty 30, you got to kind of break it into this capital. As Shaw said, a lot of it's being supported by economic development. So I think rate increases will be in line with inflation.

Speaker 1

We do have some reliability projects that we're putting in place, that we're doing some overhead to underground to add more stability as we continue to see some stronger weather patterns and wind patterns across the state. So that may take it at maybe 1% above inflation. But for the most part, a lot of this capital is being driven by economic development, which will come with megawatt hours and megawatt sales. So it's not like it's all on the back of our retail customers at any needs. And Microsoft has said and they put in their testimony, they understand and they need to pay their fair share.

Speaker 1

They don't plan on subsidizing anyone else, but they also realize that they're not supposed to get subsidized either. So they have been perfect. And as we look at potentially other data centers coming in, that's kind of that's the playbook to make sure everyone pays their fair share appropriate amount.

Speaker 4

Okay. And then on the I apologize if I missed this, but it looked like there was a big increase in gas normalized sales in commercial or something for Q3. When I looked at your

Speaker 6

presentation?

Speaker 1

Yes. And we can when you look at Q3, CommercialIndustrial, yes, it was up a little bit. Q3 is such a small volume quarter that any little change can affect it. So I would not read much into it. I would look more at the year to date where we are.

Speaker 1

Q3, that could have been just an anomaly with the meter issue or something that they mean. There's so small of volumes in that quarter. You got to really look at the year to date.

Speaker 4

Makes sense. Okay. Thanks so much. Have a great one.

Speaker 1

You too. All right. Thanks everyone. That concludes our conference call for today. Thank you for participating.

Speaker 1

If you have any more questions, please feel free to contact Beth Straka at 414-221-4639.

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