Pentair Q3 2021 Earnings Call Transcript

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October 25, 2021

There are 17 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Q3 2021 Pentair Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Jim Lucas. Thank you.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Stephanie, and welcome to Pentair's Q3 2021 earnings conference call. We're glad you could join us. I'm Jim Lucas, Senior Vice President, Treasurer, FP and A and Investor Relations. And with me today is John Stauff, our President and Chief Executive Officer and Bob Fishman, our Chief Financial Officer. On today's call, we will provide details on our Q3 performance that outlines in this morning's press release.

Speaker 1

Before we begin, let me remind you that during our presentation Today, we will make forward looking statements. Listeners are cautioned that these statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, many of which are just cost per deck and generally beyond the These risks and uncertainties can cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations. We advise listeners to carefully review the risk factors in our most recent Form 10 Q and Form 10 ks and today's release. We will also reference certain non GAAP measures. Reconciliations of these non GAAP measures The most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in the Investor Relations section of Pentair's website.

Speaker 1

We will be sure to reserve time for questions and answers after our prepared remarks. I I will now turn the call over to Tom.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jim, and good morning, everyone. Please turn to Slide number 4, titled Executive Summary. I'd like to thank start by thanking our Pentair teams for delivering an outstanding Q3 in the face of unprecedented material shortages and inflation. We are pleased to once again deliver strong double digit sales and EPS gains. While it's easy to focus on the supply chain and inflation challenges that we all currently face.

Speaker 2

It is also important to appreciate how strong 2021 has been for Pentair. Year to date, we have delivered 25% sales growth, nearly 40% segment income growth. We've expanded margins 170 basis points And growing EPS 40%. We have said that we view our businesses as more seasonal than cyclical, And our robust backlogs give us further confidence in our ability to continue our strong momentum in Q4 and into 2022. In addition to the strong sales and earnings growth, we have generated over $500,000,000 of free cash flow this year and our balance sheet is strong.

Speaker 2

We ended the quarter under a one time levered, and I am especially proud of our 19% ROIC. We have completed 2 acquisitions this year that further advanced our strategy. We acquired KBI earlier this year that added commercial Services capabilities to our growing water treatment business. We recently completed the Plitco acquisition that brings strong aftermarket filtration products not only to our flagship pool business but also to our industrial filtration business. Given the strong Q3 performance, we are tightening our full year guidance range, which Bob will give additional color on shortly.

Speaker 2

There remains a lot of uncertainty as we end the year given the ongoing material shortages, logistical challenges And inflation. In fact, we experienced more inflation in the Q3 of 2021 than we did in the full year of 2020. We have gone out with multiple price increases across most of our businesses this year. There is a lag from when price increases are announced And when we recognize them, particularly given our strong sales and backlog growth this year. The good news, however, is we should A strong pricing tailwind entering next year.

Speaker 2

This has been a great year, and we believe we have a lot more runway ahead to become an even stronger company. Please turn to Slide 5 labeled Building a Track Record of Consistent Growth. We believe our strong performance over the past several quarters reinforces that we are in the right spaces for the future. Our portfolio of industry leading products and now services help consumers move, improve and enjoy their water In addition to a growing industrial filtration business focused on faster growing niches such as sustainable gas. We are building a track record of consistent growth.

Speaker 2

Our residential businesses have enjoyed robust growth, and we believe there's more to come. Our commercial and industrial businesses have been recovering back to 2019 levels, And backlogs have been building in these longer cycle businesses. We're making great progress in building out our strategic growth As I mentioned previously, we have completed 2 acquisitions this year that furthered our pool and our water treatment strategies. We are also driving transformation to both unlock value and to fund growth. While some of our businesses are further along the journey, We have identified a strong funnel of opportunities to help us become more productive, better serve our customers and drive growth and margin expansion.

Speaker 2

Our balance sheet is another lever available that offers great flexibility to invest in our core, return cash to share owners and to fund strategic acquisitions. 2021 has been a great year for Pentair, and we believe there's a lot more yet to come. I would now like to turn the call over to Bob to discuss our performance and our financial results in more detail, after which I will provide an update on our overall strategic position. Bob?

Speaker 3

Thank you, John. Please turn to Slide 6 labeled Q3 2021 Pentair Performance. 3rd quarter sales grew 21% Trail and Flow Technologies delivered core sales growth of 8%. Segment income was up 28% and return on sales expanded 90 basis points to 18.5%. Adjusted EPS increased 27% to $0.89 Inflation continues to be a significant headwind, but we saw price nearly offset it in the 3rd quarter.

Speaker 3

Corporate expense was $17,000,000 in the quarter, and our tax rate was 16% in the quarter. Overall, the 3rd quarter was another solid performance across the enterprise as our teams continue to deliver in the face of material shortages, logistical challenges and inflation. Please turn to Slide 7 labeled Q3 2021 Consumer Solutions Performance. Consumer Solutions sales growth was 30% as both businesses continued to perform at record levels. Segment income increased 27%, while return on sales contracted as price did not fully keep up with the significant inflation While we have implemented additional price increases, our record backlogs and strong double digit growth create a lag from when the New prices readout.

Speaker 3

We believe this creates a tailwind on price entering next year, But inflation does not appear to be moderating. Pool experienced sales growth of 32% in the quarter and was up 5% sequentially. Demand in the industry remains strong even as the pool fiscal year ends and activity begins to moderate. In fact, dealers are booked well into the Q3 of next year, which we anticipate will result in another strong pool season next year. Favorable mortgage rates, continued increases in home equity and the ongoing trend of suburban migration are all contributing to robust demand for the industry.

Speaker 3

We continue to see strong demand for our variable speed pumps As new efficiency regulations drive transition from single speed pumps, the majority of our mix has shifted to variable speed. 2021 has been a good year for new products, including our IntelliBright HD light And higher energy efficient tiers. We expect next year to be another strong year, including advancements in filtration And continued expansion of connected products. Demand for new pools remains strong with many builders reporting backlogs Into the latter half of next year. Our record backlog and favorable demographic trends give us increased confidence and momentum as we look to next year.

Speaker 3

Water treatment delivered 28% sales growth as residential demand remained robust and commercial showed strong signs of post pandemic recovery. We saw our direct to consumer business improving leads and closings in several new markets, And we continue to evolve our business model. We've made great progress in rebranding the business and are also building out our service capabilities. The commercial recovery continued and the integration of KBI is going well. We had a total water management win in the quarter That was a great example of taking a product sale and adding installation and services with an existing KPI customer.

Speaker 3

While restaurant foot traffic is still not back to 2019 levels, average ticket prices are up And the result is continued improvement in orders and backlog for what has historically been a shorter cycle business. While consumer solutions has felt the biggest impact from inflation and material shortages in the short term, We have successfully implemented multiple price increases that are yet to fully readout, and strong backlog levels point to anticipated Continued growth for the segment. Please turn to Slide 8 labeled Q3 2021 Industrial and Flow Technologies performance. Industrial and Flow Technologies increased sales 8% in the quarter, while segment income grew 23% supply chain constraints that are not showing signs of mitigating. Our customers have continued to experience strong sell through, which gives us confidence that we will continue to grow.

Speaker 3

Price is also beginning to read out further and should be a tailwind entering next year. Commercial flow increased sales 6% in the quarter. The focus in commercial flow continues to be on complexity reduction, better price realization and building out the aftermarket business given the large installed base. Industrial Filtration delivered 8% sales growth, then once again by recovering the shorter cycle business of food and beverage. We continued to see strong orders and our sustainable gas business had strong backlog growth and a growing order funnel where we experienced an improvement in our win rate.

Speaker 3

IFT is building momentum on return on sales expansion And our transformation initiatives, coupled with price realization improving, we believe should drive more improvement going forward. Please turn to Slide 9 labeled balance sheet and cash flow. Free cash flow continued to be a great story As we have generated over $500,000,000 year to date, we have returned $200,000,000 to shareholders through dividends and share repurchase during 2021. The balance sheet ended the quarter exceptionally strong with leverage remaining under 1x. Return on invested capital We ended the quarter at 19%, a number we are particularly proud of.

Speaker 3

We had a higher than average amount of cash on hand at the end of the quarter Please turn to Slide 10 labeled Q4 and full year 2021 Pentair outlook. We are initiating 4th quarter and updating our full year 2021 guidance. For the 4th quarter, we We expect sales to grow 15% to 19%, segment income to grow 16% to 24% And adjusted EPS to grow 16% to 24% to a range of $0.81 to 0 point 8 This reflects ongoing material availability headwinds and higher inflation. For the full year, we expect sales to grow 22% to 23%, Segment income to increase 32% to 34% and adjusted EPS to grow 34% to 36% to a range of $3.34 to $3.40 In addition to supply chain and logistics challenges, We would also remind investors that the Q4 historically incurs a seasonal slowdown for many of our residential businesses as the weather turns less favorable for outdoor activity in addition to fewer workdays around the holidays. Below the operating line, we continue to expect corporate expense to be around $80,000,000 We now expect net interest to be around $15,000,000 And our tax rate assumption remains around 16%.

Speaker 3

We anticipate the share count to be around 167 $5,000,000 both for the quarter and the full year. Capital expenditures are expected to be around $60,000,000 While depreciation and amortization is anticipated to be about $80,000,000 we continue to target free cash flow to be greater than net income. I would now like to turn the call over to Stephanie for Q and A, after which John will have a few closing remarks. Stephanie, Please open the line for questions. Thank you.

Operator

Your first question comes from the line of Andrew Kaplowitz with Citi.

Speaker 4

Hi, this is Eitan Buchbinder on for Andy. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. So inflation in iNFT have been balanced with price in the quarter.

Speaker 4

Should price cost for the segment inflect positively in Q4? And what is your expectation for price cost positive in Consumer Solutions?

Speaker 3

As we said in the prepared remarks, price is reading out nicely In both of our segments, unfortunately, inflation continues to be a headwind as we Look at the Q4, I think that consumer solutions, there is probably the bigger impact Of the margin challenge, with the bigger backlog and the fact that Price is reading out a little bit more slowly in that business. I think we'll continue to see a challenged margin, at least in the 4th For IFP, they have some really nice productivity improvements. And so margins Should continue to improve even though inflation continues to be a challenge.

Speaker 2

Yes. The other point I would make is And you saw a little of this in the quarter despite KBI being a very strategic acquisition, it is a Services businesses don't have the large margin profile. And so it's not going to have the same margin profile as Consumer Solutions. So it is slightly dilutive to margins. And as we bring Pleat Go in as well, even though it's a really highly valuable asset and one that we think is going to have great runway in the aftermarket side, It will also have a lower margin profile than Consumer Solutions today.

Speaker 2

So both of those will be a slight drag in the margins, but on both are very strategic tuck ins that we think add significant value over the long term.

Speaker 4

That's helpful. Thank you. And you called out improving capacity and pool as reporting results in this quarter as well as in Q2, where would you say capacity utilization stands now relative to its potential within your existing pool footprint?

Speaker 2

It's hard to answer that. I mean, I think we're not the capacity challenge, right? Our factories have capacity To meet the demand, we're still working through the supply chain. And as we mentioned in Bob's remarks, I mean, the supply chain is Usually volatile right now. Even when we can get supply, we have

Speaker 3

to worry about ports, we have

Speaker 2

to worry about freight, we have to worry about transportation. So we've got a real lumpiness as Far as what's coming in each day and we're doing the best we can and the teams are I'm really proud of the team's agility to We move forward and deliver again a really solid quarter in the wake of challenged supply chain areas.

Speaker 3

So we can't answer the capacity issue, but we have plenty

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Joe Giordano with

Speaker 5

Cowen. Hey, guys. Good morning.

Speaker 2

Good morning.

Operator

Hey, so sorry I joined on

Speaker 5

a couple of minutes late, so apologies In the double digits, I think I saw you guys plus 8 or so in consumer. Do you expect that to kind of like be a lagging indicator? You see that kind of going up with what's Currently in the market?

Speaker 2

Yes, I think we obviously too early to guide on 2022 right now. But given where we are with And as I said, more inflation in Q3 than all of last year combined. And even though we planned for doubling Inflation, we're in the quadrupling and quintupling range, which is startling, right? And so I do think with the supply chain logistics, we should anticipate that inflation continues to throw in the next year. And therefore, we would continue to price to hopefully offset that inflation.

Speaker 2

And so yes, I think The ranges that you're suggesting are more the probable direction.

Speaker 5

If I can sneak in one more just on pool. If you were to categorize your business, I know we talk about like new builds versus retrofits versus just your traditional kind of break and fix, like How would you categorize the growth that you're seeing now? Does anything like in any one of those seem like just way off of what you would expect or is it kind of Balance across those three verticals there?

Speaker 2

It's really balanced. I mean, we're seeing new pool builds, which is obviously driving pool growth. We're seeing expansion of the pad, as we've mentioned all year, which is driving pool growth and adoption and usage, which is On driving pool growth. So it's across the spectrum of both new pools and aftermarket consistently. Thanks guys.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question is from Mike Halloran with Baird.

Speaker 5

So on the

Speaker 1

comments that Bob made about some seasonal slowing, which is normal going into Q4, Just digging on that a little bit, is the thought that you can get pretty normal sequentials across your business units going into the Q4? Or is there some sense of Any weakening or strengthening of demand in any of the 2 area any of the areas you sell into? Or are there areas where the supply chain might be a greater Headwind going into the Q4 than maybe what you would

Speaker 6

have saw in the Q3?

Speaker 3

The guide for Q4 from our perspective is roughly flat So sequentially is kind of how we think about it. We have a little bit of challenges in terms of the Seasonality of some of the residential businesses, but to be honest, the backlog is so healthy going into the 4th quarter That it's really about the supply chain and the material challenges that we So the business continues to be very healthy from a demand and backlog perspective. We are seeing some seasonality in the 4th Quarter about residential, but it really does come down to the supply chain.

Speaker 7

So in other words,

Speaker 1

there's nothing wonky that you're assuming in guidance Versus normal seasonality?

Speaker 3

Nothing, no.

Speaker 8

Okay. And then follow-up, balance sheet's

Speaker 1

In a great spot, sub 1 times levered. So 2 for 1, could you just talk about actually building a pipeline? Obviously, there are a couple The deal so far this year. And then secondarily, what would the calculus be to increase the rate of share buyback at this point?

Speaker 2

Yes. Mike, it's John. I think without a doubt, you mentioned, I think the funnel is healthy and there's a lot of M and A activity. While we're not going to necessarily accomplish everything, I think we want to be active and we want to be focused on our SGI activities. So that's where we're at right now.

Speaker 2

And If in fact those the pricing gets too lofty or they're not the right deals for us, I think we'd lean back into utilizing The cash on

Speaker 3

the share buyback side, in addition

Speaker 2

to our normalized targets that we call this as $150 a year.

Speaker 1

Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question is from Brian Lee with Goldman Sachs.

Speaker 9

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just a bit of a follow-up on the last one. The revenue guidance For the year, it's up $15,000,000 at the midpoint for 2021. I guess first question is, does that include fleet co now?

Speaker 9

And if so, How much are they adding? I think you said $95,000,000 in the press release when you announced the deal. So it does seem like Something maybe falling out or coming down maybe about $70,000,000 $80,000,000 if we're adding that relative to the original guide. So maybe about 2 percentage points. Can you help reconcile a bit what's going on with the guidance there?

Speaker 2

Yes. Just to clarify, We have just to think of FLEETCO is roughly $20,000,000 of contribution in Q4. So it's relatively modest. On a full year basis, We think that's close to 100, but we're not going to have it this whole quarter. And it's about 2 thirds pool And it's about 1 third industrial filtration.

Speaker 2

That's where I would share with you what that contribution is. No, let's As Bob said, we don't think we see the supply chain ramping up between Q3 and Q4. While there's still a strong demand, We don't think it's prudent to anticipate that we would ship more in Q4 given that there's holiday seasons that are also Clamoring for the same ports and the same trade routes that we're trying to get to. So we're doing the best we can to sequentially improve every single I think we made great progress from last year into Q1 to Q2 to Q3. And now what we're suggesting is that it's wise to think that we're flattish in our ability to get Product out the door from Q4 to Q3.

Speaker 2

The seasonality of the businesses, which is normal, is more of our service businesses, the businesses that go into people's homes to Treatwater treatment and both those businesses are seasonal. Not too many people look to do that over the holiday season. And as Bob mentioned, that's why we Usually see a Q3 to Q4 dip in those particular offerings. So normal seasonality with the belief that we're not going to raise our expectations beyond what Delivered in Q3.

Speaker 9

Okay, fair enough. And then I know you don't want to get into 20 'twenty two guidance and quantifying the pricing, I hear. But can you maybe give us a sense of what Recent or anticipated price actions are in terms of timing and then even internally next year, and then when you think Those start to really read out as you say. Thank you, guys.

Speaker 3

As we mentioned in the Prepared remarks, we have had multiple price increases this year to offset the inflation. Yes, we'll continue to follow that process into next year where as inflation trends higher, we will pass along the price of that headwind.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Saree Boroditsky with Jefferies.

Speaker 10

Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Could you just talk through what you're seeing from an early order program and how you're thinking about those deliveries in the Q4 versus the Q1? And then any commentary on what you're seeing in the channel from an inventory perspective?

Speaker 3

Yes. We don't expect a significant early order program in Q4, there might be pockets, but at this point, nowhere near the size that it's been historically.

Speaker 2

Part of that is with the significant backlog we have, it's not prudent to think about adding more to it. So we work with our channel partners around Certain stocking areas differently than we work with our channel partners around where they already had significant demands on us, and we're just trying to meet those demands. So that's the point that I want to make sure that we emphasize that. That program is usually a level of the factories and there's no need to do that since we're trying to It's full out on the supply chain right now.

Speaker 10

Thanks. That's helpful. And obviously, you've had strong sales in the quarter and talked a lot about the supply And headwinds, could you quantify any lost sales that occurred in the Q3 or that you expect to occur in the Q4 that are being pushed out to 2022?

Speaker 2

I would suggest that the incremental backlog over last year that we've now reported would be The gap that we're trying to get through, right? I mean, we have typical backlog businesses, and then we have more book and ship businesses. And then the book and ship businesses, which is Primarily the residential, we're not able to get everything out that our customers want every quarter. And so we start the quarter off in a backlog situation, continue to add Orders to it, ship as much as we can, and then we're still having those rich backlogs, which are a combination of demand and the inability of the supply chain to meet that demand.

Speaker 10

Great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Brian Blair with Oppenheimer.

Speaker 11

Thanks. Good morning, guys.

Speaker 2

Good morning. Good morning.

Speaker 11

So to sort of follow-up on Joe's question, I guess to ask more directly, Is there anything that you can see today or are there any meaningful watch items that would prevent pool from posting solid growth again next year? No. And it looks like PLETCO will be Essentially paid for by your second half cash flow. So that's a pretty good setup. Is there anything you can offer In 2022, base case outlook growth rate relative to the $95,000,000 ROS level, Anything else that would help us to gauge a reasonable accretion range for year 1?

Speaker 3

Again, we're not in a position today to provide the 'twenty two guidance, but we do have a number of tailwinds in place. We talked about the strong backlog entering the year. We've also, as you'd With the supply chain challenges, having a number of inefficiencies this year, and that will help the P and L. And then probably most importantly, The transformation initiative that we talked about should be a tailwind as well for 2022.

Speaker 2

Yes. And just on fleet co specifically, which you asked, just think about roughly $100,000,000 of revenue, give or take, and a rounding, think about roughly 20% And a little bit of interest headwind given the fact that most of that's cash and you can get yourself into what you think accretion might be. Obviously, we'll be doing some integration work, To work, which will offset that slightly, but that gives you a general direction of that asset.

Speaker 11

Okay. Appreciate the detail.

Speaker 2

Thanks again.

Operator

Your next question is from Jeff Hammond with KeyBanc Capital.

Speaker 12

Hey, good morning guys.

Speaker 2

Good morning, Jeff. Good morning.

Speaker 12

I noticed in both businesses you got productivity was in the green and I'm just wondering what's driving that just given all the Crosscurrents and headwinds on supply chain that would be, I guess, eating into that?

Speaker 2

Operating leverage, I mean, these are some pretty significant Growth rates, Jeff, and when you leverage your fixed cost factories and generally what's been a very productive Variable labor and fixed cost labor in the factories, that's where we're getting that productivity from.

Speaker 12

Okay. And then Just on a lot of questions on kind of price into next year, and I think you guys mentioned how substantial the carryover Is the thought that price cost dynamic, it looks like it's a little bit negative 3Q maybe into 4Q, but is there a point where you start to see that flip positive or

Speaker 13

Or should

Speaker 12

we continue to think about this trend of those being pretty close as the trend into 'twenty two?

Speaker 2

Yes. Jeff, I think it's fair to say that when you take a look at the rate that we're exiting at from an inflation standpoint, that creates an inflation headwind into Q1, Right, and level it off in Q2 and Q3. And that's where we got to get the incremental price to try to mitigate that. So Full year next year, I think we would feel like we're in a position to offset it. There might be some lumpiness by quarter, Some tailwinds and some headwinds, and that's what we're working through.

Speaker 12

Okay. And have you announced your Gen 1 price increase magnitude?

Speaker 2

No, not yet.

Speaker 12

Okay. We'll stay tuned for that. Thanks.

Operator

Your next question is from Nathan Jones with Stifel.

Speaker 3

Good morning, everyone.

Speaker 2

Good morning.

Speaker 6

I'm going to attack It's

Operator

a little bit from the

Speaker 6

gross margin side. So the real inflation started reading through in the Q3. Gross margins in First half, we're a little bit over 36%, about 34.5% in 3Q. Do you expect to be able to get those gross margins back To that kind of 36% range, when you've offset all of the inflation increases with price, assuming inflation stops going up at some point here, Will there be just some of the math of adding the same number to the top and bottom that will keep you below that 36% level that we saw in the first half?

Speaker 3

No, that is our goal is to get back to that as quickly as we can. And certainly, doing better from a price Inflation perspective is important, but also the transformation is a key part of our margin expansion story.

Speaker 2

Nathan, I'd like to use the opportunity to share that a little bit. I have desires to have a 4 in front of that gross margin As we exit the transformation period that we talked about and most of the levers that we're pulling, we believe that Pricing is a big initiative and we're leading into that with outside help. More looking at our value adds and looking at end to end cost and trying to think about even our Partners cost and how we help mitigate some of the expense. We agree to that logistics and end to end freight costs are pretty sizable, not just for us, but for our partners. So how do we get after that?

Speaker 2

The price. 2nd one, sourcing. How do we lean in on sourcing and really look at global supply Change on a total landed cost basis and make sure we're making the best choices and SKU rationalization is a big enabler there as well. The third one is the manufacturing and distribution footprint. I think the distribution one gives us a big opportunity.

Speaker 2

And the fourth one is the organizational enablement. And that's really about making sure that as we find new channels, new adjacencies, we're getting productivity from the old way of doing things To fund the new way that we want to do things. And so those are the 4 big pillars of transformation. We made a lot of progress And we hope to create tailwinds in 2022 from those initiatives.

Speaker 6

I was actually going to ask about the transformation initiatives next. I know when you announced these things back in June, there was a period of planning that needed to be gone through In order to finalize what exactly you needed to do, can you talk about where you are in that process and when you should really start to see the benefits from these things?

Speaker 2

Yes, really rich funnel. And I'm really proud of the way the teams drove the brainstorming, the ideation around what we Could do and should do. And ultimately, the opportunity is significant. And I want to make sure we reset those targets against those new gross margin levels that you mentioned because we have gone slightly backwards here, which means we have more that we have to go get. And then we also have to look at it pre inflation, currently in the inflation environment and post inflation to make sure that these are really Contributing to the end state of Pentair.

Speaker 2

So really pleased with the progress of the team. And as I mentioned, we expect it to start contributing in 2022.

Speaker 3

Great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

Your next question is from Ryan Connors with Boeing and Scatter.

Speaker 7

Benning and Scattergood is the name of our firm. Thank you. So I I don't want to jump across the valley prematurely here, but obviously, we've seen what a difference a year can make. So kind of a big picture structural question Around price cost, you've gotten a lot of price to pass all this stuff through. So let's just say hypothetically, the Fed does tap the brakes Early next year, inflation pretty quickly comes down.

Speaker 7

Some of your raws go down, your freight goes down. How should we think about price in that scenario? Do you keep A lot of that price in that scenario and realize the margin upside, at least for a while or how long would could that be? Or do you think that the competitive dynamics in that kind of a scenario would dictate that the price is given back pretty quickly? And I know the answer might differ by business, but Just interested in your perspective on it from that kind of point of view.

Speaker 2

Yes. I mean, the way I look at it is that if you think of that decision tree, do you take that scenario or do you take the scenario where the inflation continues to go forward? I'm going to choose the one where inflation continues to grow because If that happens and we're out in front because we've been trying to catch up on price all year long, but if we can get out in front of it, then the worst case scenario is that we start to trim back pricing to our channel to basically reflect the lower inflation rate that we have. That's an easier mitigation strategy than trying to get new price In an area where people are anticipating the inflationary pressures to subside. So I think that's the scenario We're going through, which is why we're not ready to share 2022 with yet.

Speaker 2

But I'm going to lean towards that we think inflation and supply chain challenges continue. And the worst case scenario is we dial back from there.

Speaker 7

Okay. But then in terms of different businesses, I mean, which would be the ones where Based on the competitive dynamics, you think you could hold price? And which are the ones where you think would be a little more competitive and the giveback would be quicker?

Speaker 2

Well, I mean, we've always said that we've got 3 general business models at Pentair. And our Manufacturing build the stock, make the stock that goes to dealer distributors are the most responsive to inflationary pressures and price increases normally. This year is a little unique in the sense that we've had these large backlogs and it's hard we're not going to go back and reprice backlog, right? So there's a little timing delay related to that backlog. The other business model we have is project based and you've got to predict where your price increases need to be to reflect pressures that are out there 6 to 9 months in advance, and that's always the hardest to get right, Especially in these environments.

Speaker 2

And then the third one would be more OEM or larger customer based business models Where again, you're in a process of negotiation and before those price increases go in, you got to get both sides to agree on what that And so those are the 3 basic premises. And so obviously, to make the stock a little easier in most normal times, The project you have to be more careful and the OEM is just a negotiation of ensuring that everybody got the best productivity in the

Speaker 7

Got it. No, that's really helpful perspective. Thanks for your time.

Operator

Your next question is from Rob Wertheimer with Melius Research.

Speaker 13

Hi, good morning everybody. Thanks for the informative responses. I'm sorry for one more on price cost, but it's obviously a hot topic and I'm just curious on a Thanks. Is the volatility and variability in the supply chain getting more predictable? I mean, can you get your hands around what The endpoints might be on where it is or is it still kind of unpredictable in the next year.

Speaker 13

Have you changed the way you price? You just mentioned not repricing the Claude, which I understand, have you changed the way you the cadence or anything else about the way you do pricing for a more inflationary environment?

Speaker 3

The headlights into the business challenges and inflation could continue to really be a challenge. I would say Getting the material in that we need to drive the demand that we're seeing It is as much a challenge in Q4 as it was in Q3. Inflation continues to trend higher And maybe a little bit more visibility on that, but

Speaker 2

not a whole lot better in Q4 then Q3. Yes. I think this has taken our entire skill set, which is one of the reasons I want outside help on this. When you think you got the raw material side right, which I think we've got closer to more accurate throughout the year, The surprise has been more on the freight and logistics cost of the availability and oil is continuing to be volatile right now. And And then there's actually cost of the routes.

Speaker 2

So that's been a little trickier to get right. And then I think when you get into These ranges, it's retraining everybody that these are the appropriate coverage ranges, because these are not ranges and price increases that we've Historically saw it. So it's been a journey and a lot of learnings, and I think we're getting better at it. And I'm really proud of the way the teams are leaning in.

Speaker 13

Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. And then just for clarification, when you're looking at Sold through and the dealers are taking orders in the 3Q, etcetera. I want to assume volume is up next year then, right?

Speaker 13

I guess maybe that's The ability of where you can deliver and then price ought to be up, what, mid high singles? Sorry if that's going too far and I'll stop there.

Speaker 2

It is going a little too far. I mean, I think it's we're not ready yet to commit to anything next year other than we do believe that demand is relatively strong. We do believe that inflation is going to continue and we do believe we got to put price increases out there to cover inflation and not just the raw materials I mentioned, but covering the freight, Covering the raw material and also covering anticipated wage inflations as well. So that's the work we're going through right now, and we want to get as close to accurate as possible. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question is from Juliet Mitchell with Barclays. Hey, good morning guys.

Speaker 14

This is Trish Gorman on for Julien. So a lot of questions on farm price cost, maybe looking at the other side just on productivity. I know you guys have made some investments here and transformation savings coming, and it's set up nicely in Q3. So just wondering how we should think about this kind of moving forward. Is this Q3 rate Sustainable or does it step up further from here?

Speaker 3

Yes. As John mentioned, a lot of the productivity improvements that we've seen in Q3 and we'll see in Q4 related to the operating leverage. As 2022 plays out, it's really I'm seeing some of the benefits around the pricing, the sourcing, the manufacturing and distribution efficiencies And the organization, as John described it. So those would continue to be the levers as we move into 2022.

Speaker 14

Okay, great. And then just at the Investor Day, you guys had talked about kind of higher investment spending to support these strategic growth initiatives. Just wondering if you can give us an update on kind of how that spending has trended to date and what we should expect for that in 2022?

Speaker 2

Yes. So that we continue to invest in these throughout 2021. And as we lean into 2022, I think it's fair to assume that, As I mentioned in the organizational enablement side that we would expect that some of the traditional ways that We did things would be the funding mechanism for the new ways that we need to do things. So I don't see it stepping up significantly from here, and I think we have To find a way to self fund it as we look into next year and into 2023.

Speaker 14

Great. That's very helpful. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question is from Deane Dray with RBC Capital Markets.

Speaker 4

Hi, this is Tyler Boyd on for Deane Dray. Could you guys just give us

Speaker 15

a quick update on some of the new IoT product launches and how those have gone and more Specifically, the app launch in pool?

Speaker 2

Yes. Okay. So we're excited. I think, first of all, we've got 12 connected Solutions out there in the market today and we're starting to see the ramping up of the downloads of our applications and use of those products. They cross all of our residential streams from also including R and I flow or our small And as well as our water treatment and our pool applications.

Speaker 2

So I think One of the bright spots I've seen this year is that we continue to see the automation penetration pool. And in addition to The upgrades that we saw across the pad, both for new pool builds and in the aftermarket side. Sometimes in the busy seasons, you don't see Also upgrading to those solutions and so that was very positive. And we're starting to make progress on our IoT related fault Valves for water treatment and also our pressure treatment in our small pumps. So really good progress, and And I think we're getting good feedback on that capability and the usage from our channel, and we're excited about the momentum we're really building.

Speaker 2

And not to mention that we've also got the Brew Assist and on the large F and B side within IFT, we're making great momentum as well as building out This is modeled for our partners regarding the filtration of the year.

Speaker 15

Very cool. And then just getting back to the Supply chain, I know you've mentioned resins and motors have been kind of in short supply in the past. Is there more that's been added to that list? And or where does that

Speaker 3

Yes. We would say that we would add freight and some of the challenges that we mentioned Adding to the inflation headwind, but you're right, the resins, the electronics, those type of products continue to be Higher inflation.

Speaker 2

Yes, those chips are what we're all seeking, right, as products become smarter. And you mentioned that with the IoT initiatives, so we're We're not the only company putting in IoT enabled initiatives. Everybody needs chips that goes, in our case, goes into drives or electronics, Which then go into it becomes sub components into the assemblies that we're trying to produce. So that's where the catch up in the supply chain really is. Great.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question is from Josh Pokrzywinski with Morgan Stanley.

Speaker 2

Good morning, guys. Good morning.

Speaker 8

John, you mentioned something in your

Speaker 16

opening remarks The dealers being booked through 3Q of next year.

Speaker 2

Just wondering if you can unpack that

Speaker 16

a little bit more. I guess for a mostly replacement oriented business, That's an awful lot of lead time. Like is that just on new pool construction or something maybe a bit more discretionary? Like What should we actually read into that?

Speaker 3

Yes. And those were my prepared remarks. So I will take the lead on this particular question. The dealers booked into Q3 of next year Includes both the new and remodeled pools, so seeing strong demand in those two areas.

Speaker 2

I mean, Josh, similar to the construction industry, the constraint is really labor and or material availability for the larger builds or remodels, right? So that is A longer lead time item than even our equipment. So those demands on the channel are out there. The channel is trying to meet the demands and we're trying to then meet Equipment demand of those remodels and the new pool builds.

Speaker 16

Got it. And would you still say kind of the majority of the Frank, you're seeing today is on kind of sweeping the pool pad and like the broader upgrade versus The kind of one for one replacement, like how would you characterize even growth in the quarter if you wanted to break that down

Speaker 2

if that's the level you feel you guys have?

Speaker 3

Yes, I think it's a

Speaker 2

good way to look at it, Josh. I mean, I think traditionally, we would look at the new pool builds as getting an opportunity to expand, do the whole pad and that's why we enjoy that new build and remodels. We have that same opportunity, right, to talk to the consumers and share with them the possibilities and upgrade that pool pad. And then we always had the break and fix. And you don't get this type of growth from just break So the predominance of the incremental demand over what we've historically seen, call it mid- to high single digits, is likely Penetration into the aftermarket pool pads or into the new pool pads from adding out to the pad.

Speaker 16

Got it. That's helpful. Yes, if it's breaking fix, Bob's out there too much with the wrenches banging on pool pumps in Florida.

Speaker 2

Appreciate it. Good color. Thanks guys. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question is from Patrick Baumann with JPMorgan.

Speaker 8

Hi, good morning everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. Just had a I think So pricing consumer was up high single digit in the quarter. I think people have asked this every which way, but I just want to I'll ask one more time, like can that accelerate next year given kind of what you're seeing as things exit the year and Does it need to accelerate to offset kind of what you're seeing in cost inflation?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think the way to think about it is When you look at it year over year, you have to add what it also increased the previous year. And so when we think about Adding to the price increases next year, I mean, it's important to realize how inflation is compounded From 2020 2021 and then how much more will be added as we go into 2022. So obviously, when you look at it year over year, it's a piece, but when you go I can look at the start of this, which for us was Q2 of 2020, we've seen the significant demand and that Demand has turned into supply pressures and then we've seen the corresponding inflation across the freight and all the other Components here. So I mean, I'm not going to give an exact answer because I know everybody's asked me in every single way, but we got to price appropriately to cover the anticipated inflation That we see coming to us in 2022.

Speaker 2

We don't yet have that number and when we do we'll share it, but we're going to price appropriately.

Speaker 8

Okay. And can you talk about maybe the competitive landscape in pumps around the variable speed transition? We've seen Hayward pitching this mid range product of Compliant pumps that's like lower price than their variable speed, but it's compliant with the new regs and we're hoping to gain some share with it. Just curious if you have any thoughts on that and If you're hearing any customer interest on that type of a product and what your response could be if there was?

Speaker 2

Yes. There are some small markets Or some small regions, I should say, where a non variable speed and we still have a non variable speed line It is appropriate to meet the standards around certain horsepower levels and certain outputs. So you're always going to see a couple And there's a couple of small regions. But the truth is most of the energy efficiency standards are driving to a higher level of efficiency, And we all got to advance our products as we try to keep up with sustainability goals and less electricity usage. So that's where really where the future is.

Speaker 2

And Currently, there's a few small markets or small regions where a substitute could be appropriate.

Speaker 8

Got it. Okay. And then last one really quick, if I could I'll take one more in. Could you size for us kind of the percentage of your business that is like, I guess, infrastructure related where you might See some benefit from stimulus if it moves forward?

Speaker 2

Yes. I'd say less than a couple of 100,000,000 Is what I would say our exposure is, where we might see some benefit from some stimulus. So not a large number for Pentair.

Speaker 8

Is that like the muni pump business or is there something beyond that?

Speaker 2

Yes. It's the muni pump business and then Possibly the pumps that connect the muni to the subdivisions.

Speaker 8

Got it. Okay, helpful color. Really appreciate the time. Thanks, guys. Good luck.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 10

There are

Operator

no additional questions at this time. I would like to turn it back over to John for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you, everybody, for joining us today. We have delivered on commitments in 2021, whether measured by sales, income, EPS or cash flow. And the good news is we believe there's still more to come for Pentair. Since becoming a pure play sustainability focused company in 2018, We have been building a track record of consistent growth while also driving our commitment to creating longer term shareholder value. We have focused our portfolio and aligned around secular trends, and we believe our strategic growth initiatives should contribute to us growing at rates even faster than the markets we serve.

Speaker 2

Our focus on transformation should help us not only unlock additional value, but also fund these growth initiatives. Our balance sheet provides us a lot of flexibility, Our 19% ROIC demonstrates our focus on being disciplined with our capital. Stephanie, you can conclude the call. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.

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