Truist Financial Q4 2021 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Strong Q4 performance: Excluding merger impacts, Truist earned $1.9 billion in adjusted net income (EPS $1.38) with a 22.6% ROTCE and another benefit from low credit provisions.
  • Expense discipline: Adjusted non-interest expenses fell 3.9% sequentially, driving 3% positive operating leverage as salary, incentive and medical costs declined.
  • Loan growth momentum: Excluding PPP, average loans rose 1% sequentially and 2% at quarter-end, with C&I balances up 5%, the strongest growth since Q1 2020.
  • Overdraft fee overhaul: The upcoming Truist One Banking rollout will eliminate overdraft and NSF fees, leading to an estimated $300 million drag on annual revenue by 2024.
  • 2022 guidance: Truist expects 2–4% revenue growth, 1–2% adjusted expense growth, and positive operating leverage, assuming two Fed rate hikes.
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Earnings Conference Call
Truist Financial Q4 2021
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There are 14 speakers on the call.

Operator

Greetings, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Truist Financial Corporation 4th Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. Currently, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this event is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Mr.

Operator

Ankur Vaez, Head of Investor Relations for Truist Financial Corporation. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Jake, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Truist's Q4 2021 earnings call. With us today are our CEO, Bill Rogers and our CFO, Daryl Bible. During this morning's call, they will discuss Truist 4th quarter results and also share perspectives on how we continue to activate Truist's purpose, our progress on the merger and current business conditions. Clark Starnes, our Chief Risk Officer Bo Cummins, our Vice Chair and John Howard, our Chief Insurance Officer are also in attendance and are available to debate in the Q and A portion of the call.

Speaker 1

The accompanying presentation as well as our earnings release and supplemental financial information are available on the Truist IR site, ir. Truist.com. Our presentation today will include forward looking statements and certain non GAAP financial measures. Please review the disclosures on Slides 23 of the presentation regarding these statements and measures as well as the appendix for the appropriate reconciliations to GAAP. In addition, Truist is not responsible for and does not edit nor guarantee the accuracy of our earnings teleconference transcripts provided by 3rd parties.

Speaker 1

The only authorized live and archived webcasts class are located on our website. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Bill.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Akar. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining our call. We hope that your New Year is off to a good start and that you and your families are doing well. I'm very pleased with Truist's strong 4th quarter results. Fee income was solid, reflecting our diverse business mix and favorable conditions in Investment Banking and Insurance.

Speaker 2

Net interest income is starting to improve, exceeding expectations. Credit quality was outstanding, resulting in another provision benefit. We delivered on our expense goals as adjusted non interest expense decreased almost 4% and drove 3% sequential positive operating leverage. Loan growth excluding PPP is strengthening and we have momentum going into this year. I'll share more details on these topics during the presentation.

Speaker 2

Turning to slide 4. As always, I'm going to begin with purpose, which is to inspire and build better lives and communities. We believe our purpose driven culture is the foundation for our success as a company. Our purpose defines how we do business every day and it serves as a framework Our purpose driven culture is also the foundation for how we attract and retain top talent. People simply want to work for and do business with companies that stand for something meaningful.

Speaker 2

This culture combined with our comprehensive compensation and benefit packages significant and ongoing training, development and career mobility and our more flexible approach to work will be our formula for attracting and retaining the best talent at Truist and competing and winning in the ongoing war for talent. Slide 5 highlights some of the ways we're putting our purpose into action. This slide is organized around the same major themes contained in our CSR and our ESG report since they are topics that are most relevant to all of our stakeholders, including our shareholders. I could not be more proud of both the quantity and most importantly, the quality of the work being done across all these dimensions and the tremendous impact we're having in our communities. While I can't cover every point on the slide, let me highlight a few.

Speaker 2

On the technology front, we were excited to welcome our teammates to the recently completed Innovation and Technology Center in Charlotte and look forward to our external grand opening in the first half of the year. As you know, Truist has an unwavering commitment to diversity, equity and inclusion, And I'm very pleased to report that we recently achieved our goal to increase ethnically diverse representation in senior leadership roles to at least 15%. This was a year earlier than our original commitment. While we're proud to achieve this milestone, we acknowledge that this is actually the beginning and not the end. We've also intentionally implemented a flexible work strategy for our teammates, which includes on-site, remote and hybrid options.

Speaker 2

Hybrid and more flexible works here day. And I've learned the meaning and the power of intentional flexibility, the concept of people coming together as a team, whether in the office or not, and intentionally deciding what works test for them, their team, our clients and the company, while remaining highly engaged and most importantly purposeful. Finally, we released our inaugural TCFD report in mid December, which adds further context and disclosures to our previous CSR and ESG reports. At Truist, we view all the elements of ESG as an opportunity to improve our company and operationalize our purpose, including climate change. Quarter.

Speaker 2

For instance, we're adding new teammates within CIB and our commercial community bank, we're going to help our clients transition to a lower carbon economy. Turning to Slide 7, this quarter we had $163,000,000 of after tax merger related and restructuring charges and $165,000,000 of after tax incremental operating expenses related to the merger. The total EPS impact of merger related cost was $0.25 a share. While our decision to create a best of both model of integration has resulted in increased upfront cost, I firmly believe it creates

Speaker 3

the best platform for future investment

Speaker 2

and growth. The good news is that total form for future investment and growth. The good news is that total merger costs will be cut approximately in half in 2022 compared to last year and then fall out of our expense base entirely after this year. Now turning to our Q4 performance on slide 8. As I indicated, the Q4 was a strong finish to a solid year as most areas were generally in line or somewhat ahead of our expectations.

Speaker 2

We earned $1,500,000,000 or $1.13 earnings per share for the quarter on a reported basis. Excluding the merger impacts on the prior slide. We earned $1,900,000,000 or $1.38 per share. Primary driver of changes in EPS relative to both the prior quarter and a year ago was a low loss provision given a rapidly evolving economic environment over the past 2 years. We generated strong returns, including a 22.6% adjusted ROTCE, which was unchanged from last quarter.

Speaker 2

Excluding the reserve release, adjusted ROTC was still a very strong 19.6%. Asset quality quarter. Continued to be an excellent story and net charge offs were in line with our guidance. Capital deployment was robust during the Q4 as we funded strong organic loan growth, closed the Service Finance acquisition in early December and repurchased $500,000,000 worth of common stock. Will provide more details about loan growth momentarily.

Speaker 2

On the merger integration front, we completed the first part of the core bank conversion in mid October by migrating our heritage BB and T clients to the Truist ecosystem. As part of the conversion, we launched the new truist.com, as well as our digital commerce account opening platform. Since then, our integration teams have completed 2 successful dress rehearsals quarter final conversion, 1 in mid December and 1 just this past weekend. I want to personally thank our teammates for their hard work and dedication to this effort. Because of them, we're on track for the final core conversion in February during which our heritage SunTrust clients will be migrated to the Truist ecosystem.

Speaker 2

Looking at full year 2021, Truist had a productive year across multiple dimensions. From a financial perspective, we generated significant adjusted net income of $7,500,000,000 or $5.53 per share and had an adjusted ROTCE of 22%. While our earnings undoubtedly benefited from a $3,000,000,000 lower loan loss provision due to the improving economy, we also demonstrated the strength of our diverse business mix. Fee income, excluding security gains, increased a very strong 10% as we are firing on multiple cylinders. This performance self offset a 45% decline in mortgage fee income and a 6% decrease in net interest income.

Speaker 2

We also continued to deliver on our cost saves programs, evidenced by an adjusted expenses increasing only 1% during the year, which saw much larger increases in fee com. We also experienced a reduction in our risk profile due to the improving economy and merger integration progress, which enabled us to reduce CET1 target by 25 basis points to 9.75 and deploy significantly more capital. Overall, we were able to make great progress on multiple fronts despite continued headwinds from the pandemic, while delivering improved financial performance for our shareholders. Quarter. Turning to Slide 10.

Speaker 2

Our new Truist digital experience reflects 2 of our core digital and technology principles, co creation with our clients and moving fast in order to learn fast. Our more modern and agile platform allows us to incorporate feedback quickly, the results of which can be seen in the significant improvements in our overall client satisfaction scores, as well as in our Apple App Store and Google Play Store ratings in just a few short months. We've now migrated approximately 9,000,000 retail wealth and small business clients to the Truist digital experience through December. More than 85% of active clients have begun to use the new digital platform in lieu of their heritage app. On Slide 11, you'll see a visual of our new corporate and commercial digital platform, which we'll call Truist OneView.

Speaker 2

This platform will provide our clients with a comprehensive view of their existing treasury management and lending solutions via streamlined and client specific experience designed to reduce the time required to perform routine financial tasks. Including the launch of Truist OneView to our commercial clients, Truist has introduced new web and mobile platforms for each of our client segments across retail, wealth, business and corporate. More than 2,000 features were released across these platforms in 2021, and we've done this at a pace that neither heritage company could have achieved on their own. More broadly, as you can see from the charts on the left, we continue to position ourselves to serve the robust demand for digital services. Digital lending, mobile check deposits and Zelle transactions all exhibited double digit growth during the year.

Speaker 2

We feel good about our current digital performance and we believe that our progress will accelerate after the final core bank conversion, In part due to the advantages and efficiencies associated with having one website, one search engine optimization process, 1 brand, 1 system and 1 digital application, but also in part due to new capabilities that we'll be able to introduce this year, including our new AI driven insights tool, our new Truist Assist virtual assistant and the Truist Developer Center, which will position us to innovate and collaborate with the developer community. Having our teams focus on the new Truist experience versus managing Three separate experiences will provide a significant productivity lift as we move forward. Lastly, we have plans to make strong digital progress in other areas this year. From our new partnership and integration with Autofi, enhancing our InsurTech capabilities via integrating insurance directly into our mortgage process and launching a new deposit product with LightStream on a real time cloud based core. Now turning to loans and leases on slide 12.

Speaker 2

Average loans stabilized after decreasing for 5 consecutive quarters and peeling back the onion reveals positive and improving underlying trends. Excluding PPP, average loans increased approximately 1% sequentially and end of period loans grew approximately 2%, quarter. Reflecting momentum late in the quarter. The most notable improvement was in C and I, where end of period balances excluding PPP grew $6,300,000,000 or 5%, reflecting broad based growth across corporate and commercial lines of business. This was the strongest point to point C and I loan growth since the Q1 of 2020.

Speaker 2

Most CIB Industry and Product Groups demonstrated growth, most notably within our Asset Finance Group. Broad based growth was also evident within our Commercial Community Bank, where 12 of the 21 regions grew C and I loans, excluding PPP during the quarter, and we continue to see the most growth in markets A strong reflection of how our clients value industry expertise and advice. Revolver utilization also ticked up after 6 straight quarters of declines. And equally important, total revolver exposure continues to grow, evidence of our relevance and that our clients are building capacity for investments and expansion. Residential mortgage continues to grow, reflecting slower prepayment speeds, our decision to balance sheet certain decrease slightly, primarily due to seasonality in our Sheffield business and continued declines in our government guaranteed student loan portfolio.

Speaker 2

Service Finance closed on December 6th, and we feel great about their trajectory heading into 2022. In addition, and some of the areas that have been headwinds like dealer floor plan and CRE are beginning to stabilize. Overall, corporate and commercial clients remain optimistic quarter. Despite ongoing labor shortages, supply chain disruptions and inflationary pressures, we're encouraged by the momentum we observed in the 4th quarter, But also in our pipelines, which are the highest they've been in some time. We continue to believe there's meaningful upside to the C and I growth story as the economy continues to improve, quarter, although the timing remains imprecise.

Speaker 2

We also continue to feel confident in our consumer trajectory as we're well positioned with respect to faster growing segments through our digital and point of sale businesses, which will offset headwinds in other areas. Now turning to deposits on slide 13. Average deposits increased $8,200,000,000 or 2% compared to the 3rd quarter, largely due to the continuing effects of recent government stimulus and seasonality related to public funds. We're also able to help our clients along their financial journey through our industry leading child tax credit awareness initiative. Through this initiative, which Promote Savings and Financial Confidence.

Speaker 2

Clients and communities most in need were able to grow their savings and IRA balances by 9% 15 percent respectively from May through December. I think this is a great example of what we call purposeful growth. But we know we can do more, and thus guided by our purpose, we have been reinventing a new checking account experience that aligns with our clients' needs, which we believe will provide them more flexibility, lower cost and more financial confidence. Truist One Banking will be our new flagship differentiated and disruptive suite of checking solutions that redefine everyday banking and Accelerate our journey towards purposeful growth. Truist 1 will have 0 overdraft fees.

Speaker 2

The capability to provide qualifying clients the liquidity they need via a simple $100 negative balance buffer as well as a deposit based credit line limit of up to $7.50 These features will help clients manage their liquidity needs far more cost effectively than alternative products. You're going to learn more about these details right after this call. These solutions will be available to all clients this summer, given our need to first finish the conversion. In addition, Truist will discontinue overdraft protection, negative account balance and return item fees and the coming months for all existing accounts. Long term, this is a win win for all of our stakeholders We'll increase client acquisition, particularly next gen clients, enhance deposit growth and simply improve the overall client experience.

Speaker 2

In the near term, however, there will be a financial cost, both as the result of the introduction of Truist One and the reduction of other fees. Quarter. We expect these changes collectively to result in an approximately $300,000,000 quarter. We're almost 60% reduction in overdraft related revenue by 2024. Quarter.

Speaker 2

The impact will begin in a few months and build over time as more clients benefits from the Truist One experience. I'm now going to turn it over to Daryl to review our financial performance in more detail.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Bill, and good morning, everyone. Turning to Slide 14. Net interest income was up slightly versus the prior quarter and ahead of our guidance of down 1%. The increase was primarily driven by larger securities portfolio as a result of ongoing deposit growth, which offset the expected decline in purchase accounting accretion. Net interest margin and core net interest margin performed in line with our guidance.

Speaker 4

Reported net interest margin declined 5 basis points, 2 basis points due to purchase accounting accretion and 3 basis points from core. The main drivers of the 3 basis point decline in core net interest margin were the impacts of lower PPP revenue and higher levels of liquidity. The PPP continues to wind down, and we expect to earn an additional $60,000,000 of PPP revenue over the coming two quarters. Quarter. Moving to Slide 15.

Speaker 4

Overall, Truist intentionally maintained a balanced approach to managing interest rate risk, enhancing current earnings while being positioned to take advantage of higher rates both at the short and long ends of the curve. We estimate 100 basis point ramp increase in race would increase NII by 5%, 100 Basis Point Shock Would Increase NII by 10%. Approximately 75% of this reported asset sensitivity is from the short end of the curve. As a rule of thumb, 1 25 basis point Fed hike with a 25% beta would increase noninterest income by $25,000,000 per month and increase noninterest margin 6 basis points, all else being equal. Quarter.

Speaker 4

Moving to Slide 16, reported fees were down 2% from last quarter, largely due to changes in our non qualified plan. Quarter. Absent the impacts of a non qualified plan, fees performed well and were consistent with our guidance of relatively stable. The driving factors of a stable performance quarter over quarter were investment banking and trading increased 61,000,000 versus the prior quarter due to higher syndication fees, structured real estate and record M and A results. Insurance income increased $21,000,000 primarily due to organic growth and seasonal improvement from the 3rd to 4th quarter.

Speaker 4

These quarterly increases were offset by a decline in other income of $107,000,000 or $70,000,000 excluding changes in the non qualified plan, largely driven by the valuation adjustment for the Visa related derivative and lower revenue from our SBIC funds. Quarter. For the full year 2021, excluding security gains, fees were up 10% versus the prior year or more than $800,000,000 Propelled by our diverse business model, favorable market conditions and Truist increasing size, scale and relevance across multiple businesses.

Speaker 3

We

Speaker 4

are also making good progress quarter. Early in our initiative, particularly between the connectivity between CCB, Wealth and CIB. Insurance income increased 20% year over year, primarily driven by a very strong organic growth of 11% and acquisitions. This was our 99th year of insurance business, our best one yet, and we believe that 2022, our 100th year, can be even better. Investment Banking and Trading was also up over $400,000,000 largely due to record performances of syndicated finance, M and A, equity, structured real estate and asset securitization.

Speaker 4

M and A revenue doubled relative to 2020 and the lead syndication roles in syndicated finance were up 26% year over year, both reflecting our strategic relevance to our clients. On the flip side, residential mortgage income was down year over year $445,000,000 or 45%, primarily due to the sharp decline on gain on sale margins and lower refinance activity. Turning to Slide 17. Reported expenses were $3,700,000,000 for the quarter, including $212,000,000 of merger related costs and $215,000,000 of incremental operating expenses related to the merger. Adjusted expenses decreased 3.9% sequentially at the end of our guidance of down 3% to 4%.

Speaker 4

Drivers for the decline include decreased personnel costs, which were a result of lower salary expenses, lower incentive costs, lower medical claims and changes in the non qualified plan. Average FTEs declined 3%, including service finance from the prior quarter. Adjusted quarter. Expenses also declined due to elevated equipment and marketing expenses in the 3rd quarter. Full year adjusted expenses quarter.

Speaker 4

We're up only 1% despite the adjusted fee income growing 10% year over year. This limited increase demonstrates the cost saving success we have achieved throughout the year and our overall discipline on expense management. Moving to Slide 18, asset quality remains excellent, reflecting our prudent risk culture, diverse portfolio, favorable economic conditions and the effects of stimulus. Our net charge off ratio increased to 25 basis points from 19 basis points in the 3rd quarter due to seasonality in the consumer losses and lesser commercial recoveries. Our ALLO coverage ratio decreased to 1.53%, which is just below our CECL day 1 levels, quarter, resulting in a provision benefit of $103,000,000 in the 4th quarter as the economic scenarios continue to improve.

Speaker 4

Continuing on Slide 19. Quarter. Capital and liquidity levels remain very strong. Our CET1 ratio declined from 10.1% to 9.6 percent driven by organic loan growth, share repurchases and the Service Finance acquisition. Our established near term target for CET1 of 9.75 percent has not changed, although the ratio declined to 9.6% in 4th Quarter.

Speaker 4

We anticipate being somewhat below our 9.75 percent CET1 target in the near term, given the improving loan growth outlook and the CET and the CECL phase in for the Q1. We also do not anticipate repurchasing any shares for the first half of twenty twenty two. Moving to Slide 21, We achieved major milestone in October with a successful migration of our BB and T retail and commercial clients to the Truist ecosystem. We have 3 significant integration milestones remaining, completing the Truist Digital First migration, finalizing the remaining branch consolidations quarter and the migration of our SunTrust retail and commercial clients to the Truist ecosystem, which will occur in February. The visual culmination of this process will be 6,000 more Truist signs across our markets at branches, ATMs, Retail and Corporate Offices, finally allowing us to serve as one brand for our clients.

Speaker 4

Once the integration is complete and all the systems have been converted, Truist will be a much simpler company to operate, allowing us to provide even better service to our clients. Turning to Slide 22. Quarter. We continue to be committed to achieving our $1,600,000,000 of net cost saves and continue to make progress in each of the 5 categories. 3rd party spend is down 11.5% from baseline levels, exceeding our targeted reduction of 10%.

Speaker 4

Our sourcing team continues to make great strides in achieving savings despite the impacts of inflation. And the good news is there are fewer contracts to renegotiate in 2022 due to the higher volume of contracts renegotiated during Truist's first two years. We are on track to deliver over 800 total branch closures by the Q1 of 2022, and we are about 90% of the way towards our non branch facility reduction target. Average FTEs are down 11% since the merger, excluding acquisitions. Additionally, technology savings were materialized after redundant systems are decommissioned in the second half of twenty twenty two.

Speaker 4

Turning to Slide 23, quarter. Core non interest expense was $2,940,000,000 in the 4th quarter, meeting our target for the quarter. As a reminder, core non interest expense is more comparable to our baseline expenses at the time the merger closed. Quarter. Going forward, we will focus primarily on adjusted expenses and not core as adjusted expenses represent what we believe will be the run rate going forward.

Speaker 4

I will now provide guidance for the full year 2022 and for the Q1. In 2022, we expect total revenue to grow 2% to 4% from 2021 as a result of higher net interest income combined with solid growth in fees. The lower end of the range reflects 2 Fed hikes with 1 in June and the 2nd in December, quarter, where the upper end reflects 3 to 4 rate hikes throughout the year. This guidance includes The initial financial impact from the new TruistOne account and related fee reductions in 2022. Adjusted non interest expense is expected to only increase 1% to 2% in 2022 as a result of inflation, increased investments and expenses from acquisitions in 2021, partially offset by the ongoing cost savings, including achieving our final cost save target in the Q4 of 2022.

Speaker 4

Merger related and restructuring costs and incremental operating expenses related to the merger are anticipated to be approximately $800,000,000 in 2022 with these expenses going away in 2023. Given these factors, We anticipate positive operating leverage on both a GAAP and adjusted basis in 2022. This is the primary metric we will hold ourselves accountable to this year. We also expect net charge offs ratio to be between 30 40 basis points in 2022. Given favorable economic conditions and the assumptions for normalization throughout the year with some quarter to quarter variability.

Speaker 4

Excluding discrete items, We expect our effective tax rate to be approximately 20% 21% if you model us on a taxable equivalent basis. Looking into the Q1, we expect total revenues to decline approximately 1% to 2% from 4th quarter levels. Given 2 fewer days, lower purchase accounting accretion and PPP revenue, continued pressures on mortgage and the typical seasonal patterns in certain fee categories like payments and service charges. This will be partially offset by seasonality in insurance. Reported net interest margin should be down a couple of basis points due to lower purchase accounting accretion, although expect core to be relatively flat.

Speaker 4

We expect adjusted expenses to increase 1% to 2% next quarter from the 4th quarter levels, partially due to the seasonality in personnel expense given FICA and 401 and partially due to higher marketing expense as we continue to roll out the Truist brand post conversions. Now I'll turn it back to Bill to conclude.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Daryl. Slide 24 is our investment thesis, which is built on 4 pillars or themes that we believe truly differentiate Truist and allow us to inspire and build better lives and communities as well as deliver purposeful growth for all of our stakeholders. I also think it's the same reason I've got the best job in banking. Team. I shared color on this refreshed investment thesis with many of you in December.

Speaker 2

So on Slide 25 and in summary and conclusion, Truist had a very good 2021 highlighted by improved financial performance, strong fee income from our diverse business model, significant capital deployment and strong risk management as evidenced by our excellent asset quality metrics. We also made substantial integration progress, taking many significant steps towards becoming 1 Truist. As we look into 2022, our formula is going to be simple. 1st, we'll complete the merger in the Q1, eliminate merger related costs by year end and achieve our cost saves, all of which will help us produce positive operating leverage. 2nd, we'll begin to pivot from an integration focus to an operating focus on executional excellence and growth.

Speaker 2

The momentum we have going into 2022 combined with being 1 Truist across all dimensions, technology, digital brand, products, process gives me great confidence in our performance and potential as we make and complete this pivot. Lastly, we'll have the capacity to deploy more capital on behalf of our clients and shareholders as integration risks subside and the economy stays on sound footing. So with that, let me turn it back over to Ankur for Q and A.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Bill. Jake, at this time, if you'll explain how our listeners can participate in the Q and A session. As you do that, I'd like to ask the

Speaker 5

and

Operator

A Speaker and one follow-up question.

Speaker 3

And we will begin with Ken Usdin with Jefferies.

Speaker 1

Ken, are you there? Are you muted?

Speaker 6

You might be

Speaker 3

muted.

Operator

Quarter. We're not hearing anything from Ken. We'll move to the next caller in the queue, Matt O'Connor with Deutsche Bank.

Speaker 7

Hi, good morning. I was hoping to follow-up on the expense guidance of 1% to 2% growth on an adjusted basis. There's obviously some puts and takes with the cost saves and the service finance. And what are you thinking about underlying expense growth? I think, Darla, you had talked about 3% back in November.

Speaker 7

Is that still true or how do we think about that?

Speaker 4

Yes, Matt. I think when we were at the conference in the Q4, we said we would have around 3% inflation. That's about 400,000,000 So we're ballparking for us for next year. We have the benefit obviously of having our 3rd tranche of cost saves coming through in 2022, which really makes the adjusted expense growth pretty moderate versus not having those cost saves.

Speaker 7

Okay. And then just remind us the lift from service finance on the cost side starting in 1Q?

Speaker 4

$20,000,000 a quarter.

Speaker 7

Okay. All right. Thank you.

Operator

John Pancari with Evercore ISI has the next question.

Speaker 8

Good morning.

Speaker 2

Hi, Rod.

Speaker 8

On the on your revenue guide of 2% to 4%, maybe could you just I'll help us think about how that would break down. If you can unpack that by net interest income versus fees, maybe give us a little bit of color How we should think about growth in 2022 on those fronts. Thanks.

Speaker 4

Yes. If you look at my prepared remarks, we talk about in net interest income. We really right now have in our base forecast only 2 Fed increases, 1 in June and 1 in December. That's the lower end of the revenue guide. Obviously, if you look at the forwards markets where we are today, it's I think 3.8 percent or 3.8 times, so almost 4 Fed moves factored in.

Speaker 4

That would get us to the higher end of the curve. We gave you a couple of metrics. We're using a 25% beta in our rate sensitivity, and that 25% beta equates It's about $25,000,000 per month for every Fed increase that we have there. If you look back historically and look back at the recession that we had. And once that started to raise rates in 2015 2016, the betas for the first one hundred basis points were 15 percent, and we're modeling 25%.

Speaker 4

So I think we're a little bit conservative on that side. We'll see how things play out. We are modeling a higher beta when you go up over 100 basis points. So the next 100, we're at 35, and then anything over 35, we're at a 50% beta. It's kind of the assumptions we're using.

Speaker 4

On the fee side, we feel pretty good growth on the fee side. We had momentum there. We had a tremendous year in 'twenty one. We still think we'll continue to have pretty good pull through of revenue with the exception of mortgage just because of lower spreads and volumes. So, John, and the simplest way to think about

Speaker 2

it is, the 2% sort of assumes a flattish kind of NII and the upside of The 2% to 4% is in the NII, and then the balance of the growth is non interest income.

Speaker 8

Got it. Thanks, Bill. That's helpful. And Daryl, thanks for that. And then separately, on the loan growth side, I wanted to see if you can give us just expectations, how we should think about the pace of growth in 2022?

Speaker 8

And maybe also for that as well, how that would breakdown in terms of commercial versus consumer trends. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. John, maybe I'll do a little sort of where we are and what the jumping off point is to put a little context around that. We as you well know, loan growth is a function of production, utilization, paydowns and pipelines is the way that I like to think about the formula in its most simple way. And as we finish the Q4, we really saw the production Start to increase, utilization was up about 2.5 points, which was that's the first time we've seen a swing in the utilization front. And that was pretty universal.

Speaker 2

So we felt good about that from a momentum standpoint. Paydowns were up a little bit, But maybe most importantly is the pipelines were at really, really high levels. So our CCB pipeline, our CIB pipeline and our CRE pipelines, call. We're at historically sort of high levels compared to the quarter and compared to this time last year. Usually this time of year, you're starting to clean out pipelines and sort of Trying to refresh in the Q1.

Speaker 2

So, we enter this with a little more confidence and momentum Than maybe we have in the past. On the consumer side, we had some headwinds from student loan. That was really just less purchases available. So I mean, I think that's sort of a little bit of a conscious kind of decision. And then home equity, which I think just is a symbol of sort of how people want to borrow in the future.

Speaker 2

But remember, things like service finance are coming on. So that we completed that purchase in early December. So we'll sort of get the benefit of that on the consumer side as we come through. So in terms of thinking about the whole year and thinking about puts and takes, I think sort of a mid single digit from here kind of growth rate Based upon everything we know now, nothing else changing, so on and so forth, I think is sort of imminently achievable and I think reflective of the momentum we have

Operator

and we have Ken Usdin with Jefferies back in the queue.

Speaker 4

Go ahead, Ken. Thanks.

Speaker 9

Good morning, guys. Hey, I just wanted to come back on the that expense trajectory and how you kind of take us from here to there. I heard the points about the 1% to 2% underlying growth off the end of the year. You still said you're on track to get the full cost saves. Can you kind of talk us through, after the conversion, when do you get to that run rate number?

Speaker 9

Is it still the 4th quarter. And any update that you might have in terms of just that gross versus net and if you're doing any better on either side versus your original expectations? Thanks.

Speaker 4

Yes. So Ken, as I've said before, our trajectory on expenses is not just down every quarter, it moves up and down. Obviously, We got some seasonal factors going from 4th to 1st with FICA and 401 ks, and then we are building our marketing budget and Basically rolling out our Truist brand across the whole footprint pretty aggressively to build brand awareness. I think as the quarter and years play out, I think you're going to see expenses maybe tick up a little bit. And then as we get through all the technology decommissioning, that's probably the biggest cost saves to still come group.

Speaker 4

That's really back end loaded right now. We still have 400 branches that will go away early in the quarter. But For the most part, other real estate and technology savings are probably the biggest savings, which will be towards the end of the quarter. And We feel really good about still hitting our target that we originally said when we announced the merger.

Speaker 2

Yes. And one other point I'd add, I think Daryl was making this earlier. This also covers the investments that we're making. So we have this unique opportunity and that we've got cost saves ahead of us, but the ability to cover not only the inflation pressures, but also our investments and talent, our investment in technology, The ability to grow our businesses, that's all factored into this guidance. If you

Speaker 4

look at the investments we're making this quarter versus last year. It was probably double what it was. So, we're actually investing more in the company and still achieving our cost saves.

Speaker 9

Understood. Thanks. And just a second question. You talked about insurance being better this year. The Jan 1 renewals were 10%, 11%.

Speaker 9

I'm just Wondering if you can help us understand what the growth outlook is for the insurance business given the midyear acquisitions you had in addition to the organic growth outlook? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes, I thought, Ken, if it's okay. Let me let John sort of hit that directly. Thanks, Bill. I'd say that the environment for insurance continues to be favorable. So when you think about it from a pricing standpoint, you mentioned the Jan 1 renewals, those were largely around reinsurance pricing and they vary by class of business, but it remains a favorable environment for insurance pricing.

Speaker 2

We continue to see exposure quarter. We continue to see very strong statistics in new business and retention. So we expect strong performance in insurance in 2022.

Operator

Quarter. We'll now hear from Gerard Cassidy with RBC.

Speaker 10

Thank you. Good morning, Bill. Good morning, Daryl.

Speaker 4

Good morning.

Speaker 10

Can you guys share with us Obviously, your CET1 ratio, you lowered the near term targeted ratio to 9.75% from 10%. What is the longer term once the deal the integration is completed, we're in 2023 heading out further. What do you guys think is a long term CET1 ratio for you folks?

Speaker 2

Yes. Gerard, I I think as we've said before, I mean, we're going to continue to look at sort of where we are in our merger integration, where the economy is, the health of our business and make those adjustments on an ongoing basis. This won't be a quarterly kind of thing, but just as we see Significant shifts in those criteria, evidenced by the fact we went from 10% to 9.75% and also the fact that we've got flexibility. I mean, the good news was we had Loan growth at the end of the quarter that probably exceeded our expectations and that tick our CET1 a little below that target, which we think is great. By the way, that's Sort of a high class way to go below that target.

Speaker 2

So, as we go through process this year. We go through the CCAR process, look at all the stress testing and results. I think sometimes toward the middle or the end part of year. We'll take another harder look and be more communicative about where another goal might be.

Speaker 10

Very good. Thank you. And then as a follow-up, I'm trying to figure out on the Q4 call for 2022 next January, What's going to be the real subject of discussions for you folks and maybe your peers? Obviously, we're not going to be talking about restructuring costs and Stream costs and things like that, because it will be finally over for you folks. But credit is something that I'm wondering about because it's so good today.

Speaker 10

We all know that, and I don't know if Clark can comment on this. But I'm curious, when you look at your underwriting standards today, I I don't know if you want to use a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being very conservative, one being very aggressive. Where does it stand versus where it was at the start of the pandemic and then where it was versus 2019? And then second, what's going on with your competition? Are they being really aggressive?

Speaker 10

Are you guys seeing really aggressive underwriting from some of your peers? Thank you.

Speaker 11

Hey, Gerard, that's a great question. I would say, For Truist, we've removed all our COVID related overlays that we added in from an underwriting standpoint as the pandemic hit. So I would say we are underwriting more or less at a normal through the cycle rate. So right in the middle of the field, we're not on the aggressive We're not on the conservative end. I think we're meeting the market through our long term approach.

Speaker 11

Obviously, it's very competitive out there. There are Aggressive structures and pricing considerations that we have to deal with every day. But I think our view is that Because of our diverse business model and particularly in our lending segments, we can get responsible growth by that through the cycle approach. I would say for us, we're in a pretty normal approach, albeit watching those areas that might have been impacted structurally By the pandemic, CRE office, things like that, but otherwise for us, it's more normal underwriting.

Speaker 10

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Mike Mayo with Wells Fargo Securities has the next question.

Speaker 6

Hi. Just a specific question as it relates to competition. What's been the retention rate of your employees, customers, deposits, when the merger was announced 3 years ago. There was a lot of talk about competitors gaining share. And I'm just wondering what specific metrics you have around that?

Speaker 2

Sure, Mike. I'll take a crack at that. Obviously, that's an extremely high focus area for us. If we start with deposit and client side, I would say it's been exceptional and exceeded our expectations. The branch closures, retention numbers have been really in the high, high 90s.

Speaker 2

I think it's just a reflection of clients' confidence in us, our presence in the market and our ability to handle their needs, whether it's digital or whether it's physical. So I think and that's that part has been exceptional, exceeded probably all expectations. And the same thing on the we see it in the deposit growth. So I mean, I think we're those are hard numbers to look at market share, but I feel like we're taking and share in that sense because in that retention model. As it moves to teammates, I Thank you.

Speaker 2

And I had talked about this. Right into the 1st year of the merger, our retention numbers were actually higher for Truist than they were with compared to each heritage company. So our teammates had voted for the merger and wanting to be part of that. And we look at not only overall Retention, we look at high performer retention. We do retention, we divide it up a lot of different ways.

Speaker 2

Obviously, that attrition has picked up And that's picked up across the industry. I still

Speaker 3

I

Speaker 2

think on a relative basis, quarter. We look really strong from that standpoint. And if you think about what's Going to happen to us. We also changed the denominator a bit when we closed a lot of branches and we're still consolidating. So our ability, I think, to Stay ahead of the attrition game.

Speaker 2

I think we're really, really well positioned from that standpoint. But also And maybe equally importantly is our attractiveness to hire talent has never been better. I mean, we are bringing in some fantastic people that want to be part of our company. They're bought into our purpose. They love the idea of being on a strong legacy company that feels like a startup.

Speaker 2

So it's Got sort of a nice combination to it. Our commitment and capacity to innovate, make investments has been really attractive. So Our retention number, I mean, our attrition numbers are up. There's no doubt about that in the last year, everybody else is. I think on a relative basis, we're Okay.

Speaker 2

We manage it to an absolute though. That's the way I think about it. And our ability to attract talent is really, really strong, never been stronger.

Speaker 3

All

Speaker 6

right. And as far as a follow-up, I'm going to have a wind up to my second question here. It's been almost 3 years since you announced the merger. Your stock is up 39%, The bank index is up 52%, the S and P is up 71%. So you have woefully underperformed from a stock standpoint, and that coincides with a period when you've shown some negative operating leverage, especially last year.

Speaker 6

And you've talked about this, the pandemic slowed down the merger conversions, NII has been depressed. You've had a cautious approach. You want to best agree. And so we have all that. So Really, I'm getting to positive operating leverage this year.

Speaker 6

You're doubling the investments, but I just want to know if we can have additional reassurance That operating leverage will be more positive than, say, 1 basis point because you say 2% to 4% revenue growth, 1% to 2% expense growth. So that could be anywhere from 1 basis point to 300 basis points. And this merger was predicated overlapping footprints, benefits of technology. And it seems like you're spending a lot of the savings and that investors aren't seeing that to the bottom line. So can you just Give any assurance or maybe not as far as the positive operating leverage this year and the payback from these investments, while as you say, The hood is open.

Speaker 2

Yes. I mean, I think the commitment to positive operating leverage is clear in our guidance related to how much we achieved. I think given we've had a pretty conservative forecast on the rate increases, if We get additional rate increases. This was predicated to 1% and your lineup was predicated on 2 rate increases. If we get more, Those sort of follow straight through to the bottom line, so we create more operating leverage.

Speaker 2

But also, I think to your point and the point I made earlier, we're continuing to invest in this business. I mean, we're not going to achieve operating leverage, positive Appalachia and starve our business. I mean, the ability to achieve the cost saves, redeploy them into The appropriate investments for the long term, that was the vision of Truist. I mean, that was the premise upon which we established this merger. And I think Arguably, and I'd be hard to dispute, it's taken a little bit longer.

Speaker 2

Some of those were decisions we made. The best of both was a little more expensive than we had anticipated at the outset. But I think you're really starting to see and I can feel you You can feel it in the pivot in the 4th quarter. You can feel it in the pivot in our guidance of the promise of Truist is manifesting itself in not only positive operating leverage, but purposeful growth and an ability to invest in the business for the long term. So, Yes, we're committed to positive operating leverage, underlined exclamation point and all the other comments, but in a way that we're continuing to invest to grow our business for the long call.

Speaker 4

Hey, Mike. The only thing else I would add to that, if you look at our net interest income, just to remind you, we have run off of purchase accounting accretion of about $400,000,000 planned for year over year, and we have about $325,000,000 runoff of P2P, You'll plan to be lower year over year. So for us, just to be flat in NII, 6.5%. The guidance that we gave For revenue growth and all that has, net interest income being up maybe a little bit, maybe 1% on a GAAP basis, but that's really 8% If you look at the real true operations of the company and potentially up to maybe 10%, if we get rate increases and maybe some more loan growth. So The company is really performing at high levels from a production basis on the amount of volume that we're putting through on the asset side of the equation.

Speaker 6

Thanks for that clarification. Thank you.

Operator

We'll now hear from John McDonald with Autonomous Research.

Speaker 12

Hi, good morning. Bill, I wanted to ask you a little bit more of an industry question. With the loan demand and loan growth numbers looking better across the industry, What's happening in the psychology of the borrower here? It feels like there's still a lot of liquidity out there, but there's a change going on. Is it More confidence about the economy.

Speaker 12

Folks just have run into a need to build inventories. Why are we seeing this increase in loan demand across the industry.

Speaker 2

Yes, I think it's a combination of things, John. I mean, when I'm now visiting with clients, Demand is never the issue for business. I mean, they all have demand, and that cuts across actually of a wide swath of industries and geographic locations. So the ability to do business, I think you're seeing a couple of things. One is, I think what your premise was in your question, people building a little inventory, sort of anticipating, trying to get ahead Some of the supply chain, I think you see that.

Speaker 2

Then you just see stuff happening like in the dealer side, cars are showing up a lot. They may be showing up a lot needing a chip or whatever it may be, but they're showing up. So the ability to borrow against those And then I think people are just making the decisions to move forward. Deploying capital, they've had plans. If they've delayed plans, they're continuing to look at the current Omicron as potentially a short term situation that reverses And they don't want to get behind.

Speaker 2

They're all in competitive situations. So I think they're deploying capital against the opportunities that they've had planned for the several years. So I think it's a combination of a lot of things. It's just resiliency of the economy and a little bit of Positioning to get 1 step ahead of both supply chains, wage pressure, whatever it may be, and the competition.

Speaker 12

Okay. Got it. And then just a follow-up for Daryl on the revenue outlook for this year. First, How much of that $300,000,000 impact from the Truist I and overdraft, how much of that gets felt in 2022, Daryl? And then also just on the overall revenue guide, could you just give us the base for the 2021 revenues, about 22.5% or something like that for this year that you're growing 2% 4% off of.

Speaker 12

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. So I'll do

Speaker 4

your latter question first. So the base for 'twenty one revenue is $22,300,000,000 is kind of the base I would grow off of. And then for Truist 1, Recall in Bill's remarks, it's probably going to start in the Q2 and it's probably anywhere from a third to forty percent of the impact would be in 'twenty two, and probably spread out evenly over the second, third and fourth quarter. And then it kind of builds up in 23, and then the full run rate in 24, 300,000,000.

Speaker 12

Okay, got it. Thank you.

Operator

Next up, we have Ebrahim Poonawala with Bank of America.

Speaker 5

Good morning. I guess, I just wanted to follow-up, Gayle, on your comments around operating leverage. I think the promise of the deal partly was the benefit of scale. As we look beyond this year, just structurally, when you look at the efficiency ratio, I think about 55%, 56% right now, do you see the bank actually being A low 50s efficiency ratio franchise over the next 2 to 4 years? Or given the investment spend that you've talked about, It's going to be hard to make that move absent a meaningfully higher interest rate backdrop.

Speaker 2

Yes, it's a good question. And to the latter part of your question, there is some rate dependency, normalization of rate dependency to get to that lower efficiency ratio. Yes, we won't make as much move on that in the next year, but our efficiency ratio on a relative basis, I think, will continue to be industry leading. So I think the ability to invest in our business, do it in a way that to your point that the scale achieves a much more efficient company. I think we'll be able to continue that progress.

Speaker 2

And then if we get some sort of normalization of rates, I think looking out over a 2 3 year period. I think the low 50s is a reasonable target in a normalized kind of rate environment.

Speaker 4

The thing I would add, Ebrahim, what I said on Mike's call, the runoff of the purchase accounting accretion gets easier year after year. So the ability to drive positive operating leverage will get easier as we go out to 3, 4 years.

Speaker 5

Got it. And I guess on the revenue side, with the systems conversion done, my sense would be given your scale, Given your history in these markets, you should be playing offense where you gain market share. So Bill, you shared some retention numbers, but talk to us about your ability to go head to head with Regional smaller banks and actually gain market share as we think about the next few years and probably outperform on loan growth.

Speaker 2

Yes. Maybe just to clarify the first part of your question, we've been on offense. I think it's just an ability to be further on offense and to accentuate that capability. If you look at virtually all of our categories, if you think about insurance as an example relative to insurance, if you think about our investment banking relative to Investment Banking. If you think about deposit growth, loan growth, client acquisition, digital adoption, Whatever measures you want to choose on a relative basis, I mean, I feel like we're already gaining share.

Speaker 2

And I think to your point, our capacity to gain share, our competitiveness, the breadth and depth of our product capability, the talent that we have on the field, the training that they're receiving, the way they work together and integrated relationship management, the way that they Allow all cylinders of the company to benefit the client. We've just never been more competitive against small, against

Speaker 13

And if so, what is the outlook for amortization expense in 2022, please?

Speaker 4

Yes. So the base is correct. What you said was right, Erica. And then if you look in our tables in the back in the appendix, We actually gave guidance around that out there, so you'd be able to easily kind of fill in your models with all that information. So it'll make it easy for you.

Speaker 13

Thank you. And the positive operating leverage guide, does that include the amortization?

Speaker 4

No, we always exclude amortization. It's in the footnote definition.

Speaker 13

Got it. Thank you. Welcome.

Speaker 5

And ladies and gentlemen, this does

Operator

concludes your question and answer session. I'll turn the call back over to your host for any additional or closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Shay. That completes our earnings call. If you have any additional questions, please feel free to reach out to the IR team. Thank you all for your interest in Truist and attending your call. We hope you have a great day.

Speaker 1

Jake, you can now disconnect.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude your conference for today. Thank you for your participation, and you may now disconnect.

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