Mohawk Industries Q4 2021 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 11, 2022

There are 14 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning. My name is Laurie, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Mohawk Industries 4th Quarter 2021 Conference Call. At this time, all lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer period.

Operator

As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, this conference is being recorded today, Friday, February 11, 2022. Thank you. I would now like to introduce Mr. James Brunk. Mr.

Operator

Brunk, you may begin your conference.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Laurie. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Mohawk Industries Quarterly Investor Conference Call. Joining me on today's call are Jeff Lorrebaum, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Chris Welborn, President and Chief Operating Officer. Today, we'll update you on the company's Q4 and full year results. I'd like to remind everyone that our press release and statements that we make during this call may include forward looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, which is subject to various risks and uncertainties, including, but not limited to, and also set forth in our press release and our periodic filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Speaker 1

This call may include discussion of non GAAP numbers. For a reconciliation of any non GAAP to GAAP amounts, please refer to our Form 8 ks and press release in the Investors section of our website. With that, I'll turn the call over to Jeff for his opening remarks.

Speaker 2

Jeff? Thank you, Jim. For the full year, Mohawk's business improved significantly. In 2021, net sales grew more than 17% as reported versus the prior year to 11,200,000,000 And our operating margins rose dramatically to approximately 12%. Our 2021 adjusted Operating income approached $1,400,000,000 with adjusted EBITDA exceeding $1,900,000,000 In addition versus our 2019 pre pandemic results.

Speaker 2

We also achieved 12% organic sales growth and improved margins by 2 70 basis points. We ended the year with a historically strong balance sheet. And during the Q4, we purchased approximately 2,400,000 additional shares of stock for a total of approximately 4 900,000 shares purchased during the full year. In February, the Board of Directors approved an additional authorization for share repurchases of $500,000,000 based on our confidence in the company's strength and to enhance shareholder return. All of our segments performed well and responded effectively to the complexities that occurred during the year.

Speaker 2

Throughout 2021, Our regions benefited from strong housing markets supported by rising home prices, favorable interest rates and Accelerated Home Purchases by Millennial. Changing lifestyles encourage shift from rental to own property, movement to larger homes and remodeling upgrades to adapt to work and school at home. Among home improvement projects, new flooring is one of the most frequent upgrades. All of our product categories have benefited from this trend, which is projected to continue throughout 2022. The commercial sector continued its improvement over the prior year but has not yet reached pre pandemic levels.

Speaker 2

While we thought COVID would be behind us in 2021, the pandemic continued to impact our markets to varying degrees throughout the year. Surges in some countries kept people voluntarily at home and government restrictions in other regions temporarily hindered our operations and customers. We continue to maintain precautions in our facilities to mitigate risk to our employees. Moving forward, we will benefit from bolt on acquisitions we completed in 2021. These include an MDF manufacturer in France Our performance in 2021 illustrated the fundamental strength of our business as we maximize our results and strong market conditions as well as those where the pandemic impacted our industry.

Speaker 2

We delivered product innovation around the world, leveraged our logistics strength as a competitive advantage and executed multiple price increases to pass through material, energy inflation across all products and geographies. We manage labor shortages with enhanced training, Process improvements and strategic automation were possible. We creatively addressed material supply shortages through product reengineering, SKU rationalization and improved production planning. The negative impact from inflation, supply chain disruptions and labor shortages, along with a stronger U. S.

Speaker 2

Dollar increased as the year progressed. Sales in the 4th quarter remained strong, Rising 4.5% as reported or approximately 12% on a constant currency and days basis to approximately 2,800,000,000 with a return to more normal seasonality for the industry and 6% fewer days in the period compared to the prior year. Our adjusted EPS for the quarter was $2.95 per share with benefits from price mix and productivity, offset by increased inflation and lower volume from fewer days in the period. As raw material, energy and other costs continue to rise, We implemented price increases in most products during the quarter. European natural gas prices have been the most volatile, substantially increasing our energy costs as well as material costs, and we have raised our selling prices significantly.

Speaker 2

We ran our operations at high levels through the end of the year in an effort to improve inventory. Both staffing, material supply lowered retail sales during the quarter. Commercial sales improved in the quarter even with some deferral of projects Due to COVID and government actions. During the Q4, we released our annual environmental sustainability and governance report. The report showcases how Mohawk is fostering innovative products that lay the foundation for healthier, more inspiring spaces where people live and work.

Speaker 2

We also highlight how we are maintaining a safe, respectful workplace, reducing and repurposing waste

Speaker 1

Thank you, Jeff. Sales for the quarter were just shy of $2,800,000,000 That's a 4.5% increase As reported, our 11.8% on a constant days in FX basis, setting a new 4th quarter record. Year over year growth was driven by price mix initiatives across the business to attack rising costs, partially offset by the fewer shipping days and a more normal seasonality. For the full year, Mohawk also set a sales record on a consolidated basis and in each segment with total sales of $11,200,000,000 17% increase versus prior year as reported. Gross margin for the quarter was 26.7 percent as reported or 26.8 percent excluding charges, decreasing from 28.8 in the prior year.

Speaker 1

The year over year decrease was primarily driven by inflation of 257,000,000 lower volume of $49,000,000 with fewer shipping days and a more normal seasonality, partially offset by improved price mix of $242,000,000 and productivity gains of $40,000,000 SG and A as reported was 17.5 percent. On an absolute dollar basis, the increase versus prior year is a result of a return to a more normal selling and marketing activity Compared to the prior year of $19,000,000 inflation of $7,000,000 unfavorable impact of price mix and volume of 5,000,000 partially offset by a net FX gain of $5,000,000 Operating income as reported was a margin of 9.2% excluding charges 9.4% compared to 11.6% in the prior year. The year over year decrease was driven by inflation of $264,000,000 especially in raw material and energy. Unfavorable volume of $51,000,000 primarily due to fewer shipping days, partially offset by strong price mix actions of $240,000,000 productivity gains of $21,000,000 and a net FX gain of $8,000,000 On a full year basis, adjusted operating margin of 12.1% significantly increased, exceeding prior year by 3 70 basis points and 2019 by 2 70 basis points, driven by strong volume, productivity and price mix actions offsetting increased inflation.

Speaker 1

Interest expense for the quarter was $12,000,000 down slightly from prior year. Our non GAAP tax rate for the quarter was 18.9% versus 14.8% in the prior year, which was favorably impacted by the CARES Act. We expect 20 22's tax rate to be between 22% 23% with quarterly variations. Our EPS as reported was $2.80 And on an adjusted basis was $2.95 a decrease of 17%, primarily due to the volume effect of fewer shipping days and the pace of inflation, especially in Europe. On a full year basis, EPS of $14.86 was an all time record, increasing 68% versus prior year and 48% versus 20 nineteen's pre pandemic level.

Speaker 1

Now turning to the segments. Global Ceramic had sales of $950,000,000 for the quarter, a 3.2% increase as reported or 9.8% on a constant FX and days basis. The year over year sales growth is driven by pricing actions with Brazil, Europe, Mexico and our U. S. Countertop business showing the strongest growth.

Speaker 1

Operating margins, excluding charges, was 6.4% compared to 9.5% in the prior year. The segment has been impacted by the ongoing energy crisis in Europe with total inflation increasing by $87,000,000 versus prior year as well as the fewer shipping days driving lower volume of $13,000,000 partially offset by strong price mix actions of $65,000,000 favorable productivity of $7,000,000 and net FX gain of $2,000,000 Flooring North America had sales of just over $1,000,000,000 It's a 5.4% increase as reported or 12.2% on a constant basis, with the resilient and laminate product categories Excluding charges was 9.1% as compared to 9.5% in the prior year. The year over year margin decrease Was driven by inflation of $88,000,000 primarily due to raw materials, offset by continued price mix actions of 85,000,000 A decrease in volume primarily due to fewer shipping days of $20,000,000 offset by increased productivity initiatives of $22,000,000 and less temporary shutdowns of $4,000,000 And finally, Flooring Rest of the World had sales of $796,000,000 That's a 4.9% increase as reported or 13.9% on a constant days in FX basis, with the strongest growth in our panels and installation business as LVT and laminate were negatively impacted by supply and labor constraints.

Speaker 1

Operating margins, excluding charges, came in at 14.8% as compared to 18.2% in the prior year. The year over year margin decrease is due to unfavorable volume of $18,000,000 driven by fewer shipping days and labor and material constraints, which also negatively impacted productivity by $8,000,000 In addition, we have seen escalating inflation of $89,000,000 in the 4th quarter, but we're able to offset with price mix actions of $90,000,000 Lastly, there was a slight increase in startup costs of $2,000,000 offset by net FX gains of $6,000,000 In the Q4, our corporate eliminations were $12,000,000 in line with the prior year. Turning to the balance sheet. Cash and short term investments were $592,000,000 Now due to the increase in inventory and the timing of CapEx, We recorded a use of cash in the quarter of $89,000,000 but had a strong full year free cash flow of $633,000,000 Receivables ended the year at just over $1,800,000,000 and DSOs were very strong at 56 days as compared to 59 in the prior year. Inventories were just shy of $2,400,000,000 That's an increase of approximately 479,000,000 25% from the prior year due primarily to increasing inflation.

Speaker 1

Inventory days finished at 112 days versus 103 in the prior year. Property, plant and equipment was just over $4,600,000,000 Now based on the timing of our new projects, CapEx for the quarter was $301,000,000 with D and A of $143,000,000 For the full year, CapEx came in at 6 $676,000,000 and D and A at $592,000,000 For 2022, we are forecasting CapEx to be approximately $800,000,000 and D and A to be approximately $600,000,000 Now overall, the balance sheet and ongoing cash flow Remain very strong with gross debt of just over $2,300,000,000 and a leverage at 0.9 times to adjusted EBITDA. And with that, I will turn it over to Chris to review our operations.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Jim. For the quarter, our Flooring Rest of World segment sales increased 5% as reported or approximately 14% on a constant days and currency basis. Adjusted operating margin was 14.8% as a result of pricing and mix gains offset by inflation and lower volume due to fewer shipping days and supply chains interruptions during the quarter. Sales were strong in the quarter as demand for our residential products Maintained its momentum even with delays in shipments due to transportation constraints. Beginning in the Q3, our material costs began escalating at an unpredictable pace as many suppliers utilize natural gas in their manufacturing process.

Speaker 3

Based on our cost estimates, we raised prices on our product lines in the Q4 and again in the beginning of this year. Despite multiple pricing actions, we are still lagging inflation because of these increases. We have announced further price increases based on current costs and it will take time for our actions to offset these extraordinary circumstances. We will continue to monitor closely and we'll Further actions as required. During the quarter, our premium laminate collections continued to perform well in Europe and Russia due to our unique visuals and water resistant technologies.

Speaker 3

Though we expected improved material availability for our LVT business, We continue to experience shortages, which impacted our production and sales in the quarter. We are continuing to enhance our LVT processes, particularly in our higher value rigid collections. As we expand our customer base and product offering, we are growing our sheet vinyl sales in Russia and Europe. We installed a new production line for high pressure laminate, which is sold as complementary product to our panels and is used on surfaces that require higher performance levels such as furniture, cabinetry and wall treatments. We are enhancing our panel visuals with new technologies from our laminate flooring.

Speaker 3

Our mezzanine flooring business also grew significantly in the period as demand for e commerce warehouses space expanded. Throughout 2022, we will integrate the bolt on acquisitions we completed last year to expand our position and further differentiate Mohawk from our competition. Our new French MDF facility will complement our existing operations, enhance our product offering and strengthen our regional position. The purchase of an insulation manufacturer with plants in Ireland and the UK complements our existing operations in those countries and will increase our share in the polyurethane insulation category. The purchase of a wood veneer producer to be finalized in the Q1 will improve the cost and quality of our engineered wood floors and make our operations more sustainable.

Speaker 3

To To enhance these operations, we will upgrade their assets and refine their processes. Our Rest of World segment has a proven foundation for growth based on delivering product innovation through value added features that consumers prefer. The unique style and performance for premium laminate has made us the market leader. Our waterproof laminate collections are popular across all sales channels and we have seen growing demand as home renovation has increased during the pandemic. To maximize our premium laminate sales, We expanded our press capacity last year.

Speaker 3

We are executing our next laminate expansion in Belgium, which will support additional sales of approximately one $150,000,000 when the production is fully operational at the end of 2023. In the Q4, our Global Ceramic segment sales increased 3% as reported and 10% on a constant days in currency basis. Adjusted operating margin was 6% as a result of productivity and pricing and mix improvements offset by European energy crisis, Inflation and return to more normal seasonality. Mexico, Brazil and Russia outperformed in the period, even though sales in those regions were constrained by capacity limitations. Our U.

Speaker 3

S. Ceramic products are gaining momentum as Imported ceramic service levels have become less reliable and landed costs have increased. Residential remodeling and new construction drove sales growth in the quarter with commercial improving, though still below pre pandemic levels. We grew sales and improved mix with our innovative floor, wall and mosaic offerings as well as expanding our position in exterior products such as our outdoor porcelain pavers. We have introduced a variety of new sizes and unique shapes and expanded our polished and rectified collections with enhanced performance features.

Speaker 3

Our quartz and porcelain slab sales continue to grow, improving our mix and margins. Inflation in material, labor and energy continue to impact all of our markets and we are taking additional pricing actions to recover. Last year in Europe, natural gas prices accelerated at an unprecedented pace due to supply shortages and are presently about 5 to 6 times higher than last year. Most European ceramic industry participants Are implementing price increases to offset these extraordinarily high energy costs. We anticipate our prices aligning in the second half of the year.

Speaker 3

Due to uncertain availability this winter, we are forecasting continued energy volatility, which will impact our Q1 results. Future prices will depend on stability in the region and whether Russia increases supplies beyond its contractual obligations. Mohawk is the world's largest producer of ceramic tile and we have many opportunities to leverage that position and grow our long term sales and profits. We are well positioned for significant growth in markets such as Russia, Brazil and Mexico where ceramic tile is the dominant residential and commercial flooring. In Russia, we are expanding our porcelain tile capacity with a new production line that should be operational later this year at an additional line that will be completed in 2023.

Speaker 3

In Brazil, We are constructing a new porcelain tile facility that should be operating fully by the end of next year. In Mexico, we are expanding our production of mosaics and specialty products, while allocating more of our ceramic production to the local market. In Europe, we're adding capacity to expand our porcelain slab business and enhance our successful outdoor and specialty tile business. In the U. S, We are investing in our quartz countertop production to keep pace with rapidly increasing demand.

Speaker 3

Collectively, these expansions will support additional sales of approximately 300,000,000 when all of the lines are fully operational. This year is the 20th anniversary of Mohawk's entry into ceramic tile manufacturing through The acquisition of Dow Tile. In the past 2 decades, we have grown our legacy sales and expanded into new markets through major acquisitions. Ceramic tile is the primary flooring in many large markets where industry consolidation has not yet taken place, providing significant opportunities for expansion. In the quarter, our Flooring North America segment sales 5% as reported or 12% on a constant basis and operating margin was 9% as a result of productivity, pricing and mix improvements, partially offset by inflation and a return to normal seasonality.

Speaker 3

The robust U. S. Housing market supported sales growth with both remodeling and new construction remaining strong, particularly in the Sunbelt. The success of our differentiated products benefited our mix, though some consumers traded down to maintain their budgets. The commercial sector continued to slowly improve with COVID concerns still deferring some projects.

Speaker 3

In the period, we absenteeism and training of new hires. Some product manufacturing was constrained by raw material shortages, Limiting Operations and Increasing Costs. We are expanding our manufacturing capacity in LVT, laminate, commercial, Carpet tile and floor mats to increase our sales. We expect continued improvement in the residential markets for the foreseeable future. Commercial will continue to recover as business confidence grows and new projects are initiated.

Speaker 3

Mohawk is the leader in U. S. Laminate market And we have reinvigorated the product category with improved visuals and waterproof performance. All sales channels are expanding the use of our premium laminate, and we are increasing our capacity to support $300,000,000 of additional sales. The first expansion phase is starting up this quarter with the 2nd phase following in 2023.

Speaker 3

The new production lines will have capabilities to produce the next generation of proprietary laminate to extend our leadership in the category. LVT remains the fastest growing floor product in the market and our LVT business delivered strong growth in the Q4 as we continue to improve production at our existing facility. We're starting up a new LVT operation to support sales of over $160,000,000 The plant's first equipment is being installed now and the project will be completed in phases through the second half of twenty twenty three. Once all planned lines are fully operational, The site can be expanded further as needed. To provide more value to our customers, we are incorporating unique technical features utilizing proprietary technology developed for our laminate business.

Speaker 3

In addition to these capacity increases, we also have many cost saving investments including fiber manufacturing and Transportation Projects that will improve productivity and profitability within the segment. With that, I'll return the call to Jeff.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Chris. After a record setting 2021, we're enthusiastic about Mohawk's future growth and profitability. This year, GDP is expected to grow 3% to 5% in most of our markets, with residential sales remaining strong and commercial improvement. Interest rates will likely rise, but should remain historically favorable and support continued home sales and remodeling. During the year, we anticipate inflation moderating and constraints in labor, material and energy decline.

Speaker 2

We're selling all of our capacity in many product categories and are optimizing our mix and margins this year. We've initiated multiple expansion projects to increase our sales in these growing areas this year and beyond. Significant short term material, energy and transportation inflation is affecting all of our businesses, And we are reengineering formulations, reducing spending and improving efficiencies to offset. We are presently implementing price increases and have announced additional ones across products and geographies. We will continue to adjust our pricing to recover our margins over time.

Speaker 2

In Europe, energy costs have dramatically accelerated and have also affected the cost of our materials. Our European ceramics business has been the most impacted, which we anticipate will create a $40,000,000 to $45,000,000 headwind, net of price increases in the Q1. Given these factors, we anticipate our Q1 adjusted EPS to be $2.90 to $3 excluding any restructuring charges. In the second half, we expect our margins to improve as capacity expands, inflation moderates and pricing align. Based on the strength of our company, our product and geographic diversity, investments in growing categories and potential acquisitions.

Speaker 2

Our long range outlook is for higher sales growth and margin expansion. Flooring is an essential part of new construction Remodeling and as the world's largest flooring manufacturer, Mohawk has built leading positions in major flooring markets around the globe. We expect our business to benefit from strong demand through this economic cycle. Given today's low inventory of existing homes, New residential construction and remodeling should remain strong for many years. Mohawk's sustainable products appeal to today's environmentally conscious end users, which gives us the added advantage in our markets and enhances our bottom line.

Speaker 2

In time, we expect the commercial sector return to its historical growth With pent up demand representing a significant opportunity. In addition to expanding capacity, we continue to invest in our organization's talent and state of the art technology to deliver exceptional design, value and service to our customers. Over the next 3 years, we anticipate higher sales and margins as we implement our product, manufacturing and marketing initiatives. We will continue to leverage our strong balance sheet to pursue acquisitions that further our geographic reach and product offering while growing our sales and profitability. We'll now be glad to take your questions.

Operator

Your first question comes from the line of Truman Patterson of Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. Good morning. First, just wanted to look at this Q1 EPS guidance. A, just trying to understand if a Higher tax rate is embedded in it compared to the Q4.

Speaker 4

And then also when I look at the 1Q guide, historically, op margins Consolidated normally fall about 200 basis points quarter over quarter. Is it safe to assume that you're expecting kind of 1st quarter op margins to outperform, that historical decline. And are there any segments maybe to call out when we look at it sequentially?

Speaker 1

Okay. I'll take the first part of that. On the tax rate, Truman, as I said, for the full year, Looking at 22% to 23%, I would expect it to be maybe a little bit lower than the bottom of that in the Q1. And then as I said, it's going to vary as we go through the year.

Speaker 2

I think also the Difference in days in the 4th quarter is also impacting the comparison between the 2 abnormally. And then we also have last year, you have As we're going out of last year, it was seasonally stronger than it is. This year, it's more normal. And same thing in the 1st part of the year, The customers were behind in their purchases and inventory levels. The channels were behind, so the demand was different.

Speaker 2

So There's a lot of differences in the seasonality between the 2.

Speaker 5

Okay. Okay.

Speaker 4

In the press release and the prepared comments, you all have discussed some Cost saving initiatives in North America, especially the fiber manufacturing and transportation projects. I'm hoping can you give a little more detail on each of those initiatives? And is there any way you can Help us quantify those over the long term.

Speaker 2

Some of it is in the asset purchases we've done with the investments. We upgraded various assets in the fiber and yarn manufacturing to put in lower cost assets based on how the business has changed over the years. Some of it is in the transportation we have, put in new processes and systems to trying to optimize The transportation systems, which we're getting higher weights on the trucks, And we are improving

Speaker 6

the

Speaker 2

way we charge for the business or charge for the transportation relative to the market rates as we go So they're all benefiting the business.

Speaker 1

Some of it also, Truman, is the completion of the actions that we started back in 2020, where We have got out of older assets and optimize the plant flow, which It's going to help on the material side and the labor side, on a productivity basis.

Speaker 4

All right. Thank you, guys.

Speaker 7

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Eric Sherrard of Cleveland Research. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Thanks. Jeff, curious if you could talk

Speaker 8

about where you think we are And the lifecycle of LVT and thinking over the last 5 years that LVT was all of the industry growth for a period of time and felt like it was taking share from ceramic tile. It actually was. And laminate was doing okay. I'm just curious as you think about over the next 3 or 4 years, How those three categories are behaving relative to each other, I guess, largely in the U. S, but also globally?

Speaker 2

In the U. S, LVT has now grown to approximately 20% of the flooring category. With that, as the size has gotten where it is, the rate of growth is going to slow down. We think that The other categories are going to still show volume growth. So we don't believe it's going to take all of the growth Going forward as you go through, there's been a change in the laminate business where it was perceived as a cheap alternative.

Speaker 2

And with all the advances we've made in it, it's now being seen as an equal opportunity to Versus both LVT and wood because on one side, we've added the waterproof technology. On the other side, We've made it visually as pretty as real wood and can't tell the difference on the floor. So it's in the midst of A changing piece and we're investing to support it. When you go to Europe, Europe Laminate is a much larger part of the industry than it is in the U. S.

Speaker 2

And it's not growing at same level, on the other hand, our premium is LVT, as a category is probably less than half the size it is in the United States As the market hasn't accepted it at the same rate as the U. S. Has.

Speaker 8

Okay. That's helpful. And then one follow-up, if I could. The competitive position of your U. S.

Speaker 8

Business, you referenced it in the prepared remarks. But As you look at your cost position, I guess this is a hard surface focused question, but your cost position relative to imports and the incremental transportation costs they're dealing with. I'm just curious how you think that influences the performance of the business over the next Couple of years and what that means for you?

Speaker 3

If I can comment on the in the ceramic side, the as the ceramic industry strengthened, The import prices have increased. The ocean freight constraints are causing delays and increasing costs. So I think we're well positioned on the ceramic side in the United States to take additional share.

Speaker 2

And the other piece is I think we're In good position, the LVT, we're still in the original plant. We're still improving the costs. In the Q4 of last year, The costs were actually impacted by a lack of supply and we had to slow down the machines in order just to keep the plant running. We expect the productivity and the cost to continue to improve. We're investing in a new plant, which we think will be cost advantaged versus imports, and we think we're in a good position to grow with the market.

Speaker 2

We're also importing a lot of products. So It's not in lieu of the other.

Speaker 4

Great. Thank you.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Adam Baumgarten of Zelman. Your line is open.

Speaker 1

Hey, good morning, everyone. I guess maybe sticking with Flooring North America, when you talk about trade down in the segment, Is that primarily related to carpet? Or are you seeing it also in some of the other areas like LVT?

Speaker 2

Every time you go through significant inflation in the industry, some of the Some of the consumers start looking to hold the value of what they're going to spend or the prices. And so it's a normal course of events. And as you see significant inflation, there's some trading down in all the categories.

Speaker 1

Got it. And then maybe switching gears to ceramic, you talked about the net headwind from the European natural gas Cost increases, is that net of all price in the segment or is that just net of European ceramic pricing? That's net of European ceramic pricing. Okay, got it. Thank you.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Susan Maklari of Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Speaker 9

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Sticking, I guess, again with Flooring North America, I want to focus a little bit more on the margin side. You obviously are coming off a year where you've gotten that margin back to the low double double digit range. As you think about the initiatives that are going on in that segment, can you talk about where you think that that can go over time?

Speaker 9

What the trajectory of it is? And How does that maybe compare to where we've been in the past in that segment from a profitability perspective?

Speaker 2

The margins in the business have come back. They're still below where they were at the peak a few years ago. There has been in the carpet industry, There's been a trading down to polyester at lower prices and different pieces. So that those margins will probably not get back To the peaks that we're at. On the other hand, we have investments in LVT and laminate that those margins we think have room to grow As we improve the mix and put more investments in as we go through, impacting the whole thing in all the categories you have also, The commercial sales are still behind the pre pandemic levels.

Speaker 2

Our estimates depend on which product category and which channel. They could be 10% to 20% below the pre pandemic levels and those are higher margin products and sales. So as those come back, those are going to improve the margins also.

Speaker 9

Okay. That's helpful color. And then when you think about all the initiatives that you have going on globally across the business, can you talk about, how we should think of growth going forward over time, the ability to sort of capture what is going on out there. And where do you think growth will really be led from within this business in terms of products or even geographies. And what are some of the areas that you're really thinking about and looking to incrementally further capture?

Speaker 2

What's happened to us is that as the business went through COVID, We pulled back on all the investments in the various categories. And then when we came out of it, we found that many of the categories have grown In 1 year, what we had expected in multiple years. So you see us trying to catch up with the investments that we're putting in. We're investing about $800,000,000 this year, which will add roughly about $800,000,000 worth of sales, which is all going in this year and next year in the high growth categories. The other categories of the business still have Additional capacities to support increased sales going into the next year or 2.

Speaker 2

We think we're taking the right steps to optimize the business. One is we don't we probably don't get enough credit for is the portfolio of the products that we have. We manufacture in 5 different Continence. In the different markets, we have the leading brands and market positions. We sell them into over 70 different countries.

Speaker 2

And so with this, with the strong balance sheet you have, you see us investing heavily to reduce our And broaden our product offering. We believe there are going to be more acquisition opportunities. We're talking To several at the moment. We have to see how they evolve. We think there's more going to come into the marketplace over the next We think we're probably in the mid cycle part of it.

Speaker 2

Usually the economy and the industry keep growing as we start raising rates at this The residential markets are running at high rates. And what normally you have when you get towards the cycle, We've overbuilt the residential housing. This time, we're still chasing it. So it seems like there's plenty of room to grow. We've talked about the commercial improving.

Speaker 2

So we think we're in a right position for higher growth and margin expansion over the next few years.

Speaker 9

That's great color. Thank you, Jeff, and good luck with everything.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question and comes from the line of Mike Dahl of RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions.

Speaker 4

Good morning.

Speaker 2

I wanted to follow-up on

Speaker 5

a couple of areas. The first is On kind of the European ceramic and the nat gas environment. In the opening remarks, in addition to The headwinds that you outlined in terms of the $40,000,000 to $45,000,000 I think you did say that at this point most Competitors are raising prices to adjust. Can you elaborate a little more? Because last quarter, it was Some of your competitors were hedged, so they weren't acting as quickly.

Speaker 5

Can you talk more about what you're seeing in terms of competitive dynamics and Pricing environment and whether competition is raising price enough at this point.

Speaker 3

Well, Everybody in the market is raising prices, including us. You're right, some are hedged And that's probably causing them to raise prices a little less fast than they need to be, but everybody is raising prices. We expect the energy volatility through the winter due to lower European reserves and uncertain availability, But the short term, the headwind should peak in Q1 and then progressively get better after that For a couple of reasons. One is you've got you're getting into the summer months where gas is naturally cheaper and you're also as we look at the forward contracts, They are lower than what we're experiencing now.

Speaker 5

Got it. Okay. And my second question, It's around market share and going back to North America, you've made some comments around how you've positioned your product and I think you're in a position to take share in a variety of categories. If I look at the 4th quarter data and I adjust for Your days headwind, it still seems like from a total value and a volume standpoint, and correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like volume was kind of flattish on a days adjusted basis, maybe up slightly or down slightly. But the market industry data Would still seem to suggest that industry growth in volumes has been, call it, high single digits and in value Maybe closer to 20%.

Speaker 5

So that data would seem to suggest maybe still some share slippage. So can you just speak to that and talk about how you

Speaker 1

Let me unbundle a little bit of what you said there, Mike. So first of all, in the Q4, you're right, as we look across the segments, I would say the volume piece, adjusting for days and everything else, the business volume was relatively flat to slightly down. And if you think about that, that makes Compared to Q4 of 2020 when you had unusual demand levels And so really abnormal seasonality. So that kind of straightened itself out in the Q4. Also in the Q4 of this year, We had the material and labor constraints, which impacted not only our production, but our sales and various product categories.

Speaker 1

So that definitely impacted that volume.

Speaker 3

Yes. The other thing I would add, when you look at the data on the ceramic market, it's really hard to read because you've got The imports coming in and the volume, the way they're measuring that is the imports coming into the country, Which we think most of the competitors were building inventory during that time. But when we go out and look at the customers we're getting and the progress

Speaker 2

The industry data on the carpet shows that the carpet industry was down in units. And again, we think it's because of the seasonality differences between the 2. On the other side, we are probably indexed higher on the commercial business, Which is still 10% to 20% below where it was before the pre pandemic pieces. We're also have a lower percentage of the LVT, but we're growing our business there.

Speaker 5

Okay. All of that makes sense. Thank you for that color.

Operator

Your next Question comes from the line of Michael Rehaut of JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. A few clarification questions Before I get into, I guess, a bigger picture question, if you could just kind of be more explicit just to make sure we understand. Number 1, the second half margin improvement that you're talking about in the in 2022, we're talking about year over year expansion when you say And also the net of price impact in the European ceramic of $40,000,000 to $45,000,000 That $40,000,000 to $45,000,000 is kind of the same number that you were referring to last quarter When you were saying, off of the $25,000,000 headwind in 4Q that could approach doubling. I mean, We're not changing the definition of that $40,000,000 to $45,000,000 relative to last quarter.

Speaker 4

I just want to make sure that those that's clear.

Speaker 2

Let me start with the ceramic piece. The ceramic piece, the number is still the same. However, we're getting there a little different. The We're actually going to get more price than we thought. On the other hand, the gas prices were actually higher, so they net back down to about the same thing.

Speaker 1

Both are different. But the definition is the same, Mike. So we didn't the 25 compared to the 40 to 45, The definition is the same.

Speaker 3

Michael, it happened in the as we produced in the Q4, the You may have seen the gas prices, but in some cases, they spike to $170,000,000 to $200,000 which is very high. And of course, that as that inventory Rolls off in the Q1, you see that impact.

Speaker 2

Yes. As we think about the year, We're starting from the premise that the present trends for the economy, housing and business investments are going to continue as we all expect and all the projections from everybody. And what we see is our margins after the Q1 should improve as the price and costs get aligned better And continue throughout the rest of the year. And don't forget, when you get into the Q4, we have we shouldn't have the same energy headwinds that we had last

Speaker 4

So just to be clear again, when you talk about 2nd half margins improving. Again, we're talking about on a maybe on a consolidated basis, 2nd half margins Higher than second half twenty twenty one. Is that fair to say?

Speaker 1

Yes. When we're looking at that sentence, that's We're saying is that year over year and now I would say, it really depends upon how inflation plays out in the first half as well and then the economic trends continuing as most expect into the second half. That is what we're addressing.

Speaker 4

Right. Okay, good. Secondly, you talked about also in the press release this outlook for 3% to 5% GDP growth Across most of your markets. Usually companies have a goal of at least meeting that GDP growth. So When you think about your full year sales growth for 2022, Particularly given the price increases that you've put into place in the back half 21 and early 2022.

Speaker 4

Should we be expecting a revenue growth kind of in the mid single digit range, Mostly driven by prices. Is that the right way to think about it? And also, sorry, one more granular question. If there's any variation in shipping days by quarter for 2022 versus 2021, that would also be helpful for modeling.

Speaker 2

Let's see. Let's start out with the you're correct that you have the increase in the Inflation is going to increase the piece and the volume assumptions you have seem reasonable. Just to put in it, the comparisons will be more difficult in the first half as the customers last year were replenishing inventories. We don't see we'll see the same thing. We'll be back at a more normal seasonality this year.

Speaker 2

And then also in the first half, you'll see a bigger from price increases in the first half than you will in the second. As we go into the second half, we think we'll see some stronger volume growth due to better inventories on our part, so we can surface the business better as well as a lower impact from pricing. One more thing just to not forget. At least the estimates by everybody show that this year, the dollar is expected to be stronger than last year And a stronger dollar is going to would have a reduction in our translated results.

Speaker 1

In terms of days, Mike, there's one less Stay in the Q1 and the other 3 are the same.

Speaker 4

Great. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Phil Ng from Jefferies. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Hey, guys. You mentioned that supply chain labor impacted your result in the Q4 and certainly that was very pronounced in your rest of the world business. So curious, how is that kind of shaping up in 1Q? Should you expect that to kind of improve or it's going to take a little bit more time, call it a 2Q event?

Speaker 2

We're still having problems with supply. We're still having problems with labor, And it's still impacting our business. Probably the bigger part of it is in our LVT business, both in the U. S. And Europe.

Speaker 2

For instance, we're running lines at lower speeds to keep them running instead of stopping and starting them. We have other suppliers and pieces that have, we've had to stop the plants. And then with COVID, we've had People not showing up for work and just having to shut the places down and or having to run places different. In most areas, we're seeing some improvements, but we'll have to see how it works.

Speaker 6

Got it. Okay. That's helpful. So marginally better. It's going to take a little time.

Speaker 6

And then from a capital project standpoint, you got a lot of exciting new stuff coming on, whether it's LVT, G ceramics and your laminate product as well. Can you kind of remind us how that kind of ramps up through the year and then appreciating their startup costs and there's a learning curve component to that. Is there a good way to think about the EBITDA contribution this year? I know a few years back when you had a big ramp up, You had some headwinds to kind of come out of the gates.

Speaker 2

I think if you go back to the introductory remarks, we tried to put what points in time they would come in because some of them are in the middle of next year and some of them are this year. And so they're all through it. If you go through that, I think you get a sense of the timing of it. Our current expansion projects, different than the earlier time we did it, are in It started at 0 and there were significant marketing costs upfront. This time, the investments are focused on our existing laminate business in the U.

Speaker 2

S. And Europe, ceramic outside the U. S. Where the markets are sold up We're sold up. We're expanding our countertop business in the U.

Speaker 2

S. And Europe and our LZT business. So The markets are there for where they are, which should reduce the impact of selling up the assets as we start them up. And then the same thing, we're using technologies that are proven, which we have operating in all the places, Which is also would limit the start up costs as we get through. In addition, there are other projects on Both productivity and efficiencies, which should immediately enhance our business.

Speaker 6

Got you. Sorry, go ahead, Jim.

Speaker 4

I I was just going

Speaker 1

to say timing wise, if you look, so we launched the first laminate, the new laminate line in the Q4. So you'll see some benefit In 'twenty two of that, limited benefit on LVT, the LVT launch, but most of the others, echoing what Jeff said, Will impact into 2023 more so than 2022.

Speaker 6

Okay. But you're expecting to be Additive rather than any big headwinds, right? So it's more of a good guide than anything.

Speaker 1

Yes.

Speaker 6

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Keith Hughes of Truist. Your line is open.

Speaker 10

Thank you. Question for North America. If we look at the revenue growth excluding the days, was up

Speaker 5

a good bit. Compare that to some of

Speaker 10

the numbers coming out of carpet industry, even adjusting for days, you seem well ahead. And I know that's about laminates and LVT. My question is, could you put a little bit more of a magnitude on how much those products grew in the Q4 versus the average of the segment and also for the year

Speaker 1

We normally don't get to that level of granularity, Keith, you're right that the certainly in that segment, laminate and The resilient business grew more than carpet, and so they really drove the growth along with, I would say, the pricing actions That we put in place really kind of dwarfed anything around volume.

Speaker 10

Okay. And then second question on global within Global Ceramic, the North American business. If you could talk about what its growth looked like versus the Segment average and what the puts and takes on that.

Speaker 3

Well, first on U. S. Ceramic, our products are gaining momentum as imported products are Our price and actions have offset inflation, Keeping margins in line with prior year. We introduced several products at floor, wall and exec offerings that were offered this year and into improved mix, we've introduced new sizes and shapes. As you look into 2022, we believe the U.

Speaker 3

S. Will grow in both volume and price as residential remains strong and commercial strengthens. Brazil, Russia and Mexico will have to optimize mix Given their capacity limitations, and we think the EU volume will be under pressure just given natural price increases for natural gas.

Speaker 4

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Stephen Kim of Evercore ISI. Your line is open.

Speaker 11

Yes. Thanks very much, guys. Just wanted to clarify, to start off Some of the capacity that you talked about bringing on in Flooring North America, the $300,000,000 in laminate capacity, you talked about 2 phases. I just Make sure that the $300,000,000 encompasses both phases. And then the LVT plan of $160,000,000 which I think is going to be over the next 18 to 24 months.

Speaker 11

I guess my question is, it seems like that line is quite a bit smaller, maybe as much as half The size, maybe half as small or half as large as your first line. So when you talk about the site being expanded, able to be expanded as needed, I was How quickly could you bring on additional capacity within that site? And where is that site located?

Speaker 3

Okay. Well, first of all, just in terms of the production, the original lines were designed for high volume long runs And our new production lines are designed for more differentiated products and smaller runs. And you talked about the location to optimize our U. S. LVT manufacturing, we'll now have both an East Coast and a West Coast operation.

Speaker 3

This should provide us service, logistics and cost advantage. And this plant will be in Mexico and it's adjacent to one of our other factories.

Speaker 2

And then I think the other questions were around laminate. The laminate each line does about $150,000,000 each. The first one is in a start up right now and should be operating in the middle of the second quarter close to its potential.

Speaker 1

And just to clarify, Steve, what we've said is up to this point, we have globally We have about $1,000,000,000 of sales capacity in LVT, and that's across five lines. So the 160,000,000 On the new line, it's not really, totally different versus the other lines.

Speaker 11

Yes, yes, I know you have a couple of smaller lines in Europe and so forth. Okay, that's helpful. Second question relates specifically to productivity. I mean, as we look at your EBIT, block on the year over year growth And EBIT from productivity specifically, you had a couple of really good years now. I mean, it was strong in 2020, it was strong in 2021.

Speaker 11

I'm curious with all the moving pieces and particularly like labor inefficiency and absenteeism and whatnot, I would think the productivity could start to become

Speaker 2

Listen, we have to find out what happens to supply and to Labor around the world in different places. Presently, we're still struggling with the pieces. Our assumptions are that it gets better through the year. But to tell you the truth, we haven't seen it yet. At the same time, all of these New facilities and things we're going to start bringing up show up as some negative productivity offsetting some of the other Positive productivity we have during the year.

Speaker 12

Okay, that's helpful. All right, great. Thanks very much guys.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Laura Champine of Loop Capital. Your line is open.

Speaker 13

Thanks for taking my question. It's a follow on to your comments about inflation being lower in the back half. I heard The answer about gas prices in Europe, but are there any other elements in your thoughts where you can see or basis provide the basis

Speaker 2

There is significant shortages that have been causing the raw materials to be at historically high prices. We're assuming that some of that winds up this year and some of the pressure from capacity versus demand Offsets and then it depends on what happens with the oil and gas prices around the world.

Speaker 13

Does that imply that your expectations are that units for the industry will be down year on year thus freeing up more capacity? Or do you think there's more capacity coming to market broadly this year?

Speaker 2

We think that the there's more capacity to support Some of the product categories that we're in, for instance, in Europe with the high gas prices, Our wood prices are up because they're starting to burden wood as an energy source. It's at unusually high levels. We're assuming that Some of that starts to balance out next year as the energy prices come down, for instance. There are other places where we We're seeing more supply come into the marketplace, and we're assuming there's going to be a better balance to it than there was the last Got it. Thank you.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Matthew Bouley of Barclays. Your line is open.

Speaker 12

Hey, good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for taking the questions here. So just on natural gas in the European ceramic market. I think I heard Chris you mentioned earlier that you expect some volume pressure in European ceramic as a result of these level of price increases that you and competitors are implementing. Any more color on the elasticity that You expect there as you lift prices materially and is there an impact to the mix side of it as well?

Speaker 3

I mean, so far, we haven't seen our volumes in Europe have still been strong. So we haven't seen it, but we just anticipate with the pricing that's being taken there that it would make sense that it could put pressure on the market. But so far, we haven't seen it.

Speaker 12

Right. Okay. That's helpful. And then I guess same topic just on the overall European ceramic market. Have you seen any, I guess, changes competitively within the market?

Speaker 12

That was a great comment you just gave, Jeff, on people burning wood. Are ceramic manufacturers limiting production at all? Is this impacting exports from Italy or Spain to the U. S? Are there any other way the market is adapting to the severity beyond just the pricing side.

Speaker 3

Well, we know some of the on one end, you have some of the smaller producers that have cut way back Or shutdown. And then on the other end of the market, you have some of the bigger players that were hedged. But I would say in general, the competitors are in the market are trying to cover the cost as much as they can Not to let it impact the market too much. And so it's a balance, as you could expect, of covering inflation and not killing your demand. It's got to though put pressure between the increased gas prices, the increased freight cost.

Speaker 3

It's got to put pressure on those exports. And that's why we think in the United States, we're going to be in a good position.

Speaker 12

Got it. Well, thanks for the color and good luck.

Speaker 3

Thank you. Thank you.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Deepa Raghavan of Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. I'll switch gears and ask about commercial business trends. Are you able to share how much this business grew in 2021? Looks like you're expecting an acceleration in 2022, but it also appears The His offices and maybe some institutions like schools, etcetera.

Speaker 7

Are these the primary drivers that would actually accelerate Your growth in 2022, am I thinking about the moving pieces within the component commercial verticals correctly?

Speaker 3

Well, I think it also depends on the category. Like in ceramic, hospitality is doing well, hospitals, schools. It's still not back to pre pandemic levels, But it's certainly been strengthening.

Speaker 1

Yes. It's been really led by the health care government area and then the other Some of the other channels have been slower to respond. But again, we had good strong growth in 2021 versus 20, but as Chris said, it's not back to the 2019 levels.

Speaker 7

Okay. Just curious on just the interest rate concerns out there with the backdrop, you're still calling for R and How are you thinking about the R and R spend in the U. S? We were up at the IBIS and obviously we're looking at Some of the ceramic manufacturers, the larger format stones are in. So obviously, the industry is continuing to invest in product innovation, bringing out new products.

Speaker 7

It doesn't seem like the interest rate concerns are impacting the industry as such, but Any comparisons? What are your thoughts, first of all, on that? Should we be concerned? And any comparisons to 2018, You could help us draw and say this time it's different because of certain items.

Speaker 2

Where we are with it presently, we're assuming we're in the midpoint of the cycle that you're going Still see unemployment decreasing. You're going to still see incomes rising. We expect the economy to keep growing like it does in the mid part of the cycle. The mortgage rates are still historically relatively low. And unlike At the end of cycles, there's still demand for housing is exceeding the supply and it's supporting new construction.

Speaker 2

You have increased home values that should support continued remodeling as you go through. Typically, on existing home sales, When someone buys a home, it takes them multiple they don't do all of the remodeling in the 1st year. It takes multiple years to do it. So you have all of these homes that were sold over the last 2 years that should continue to get remodeled. And then you still have commercial They're still below the pre pandemic levels and there should be pent up demand to help it increase.

Speaker 2

Unless they move the rates up way higher than we expect, we're expecting to continue improving

Speaker 7

category. That's great. Thanks for the color and good luck.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And there are no further questions on queue. I will turn the call back over to Mr. Lorber Bamm for closing comments.

Speaker 2

We appreciate you joining us today. We are really optimistic about our long term performance. We're investing to support growth and margin expansion, and we believe that we're in the right spot to optimize our business over the long term. Thank you for joining us.

Operator

And this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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