Sempra Q1 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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May 5, 2022

There are 17 speakers on the call.

Operator

Day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Sempra First Quarter Earnings Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Mr. Donovan. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Sempra's Q1 2022 earnings call. A live webcast of this This teleconference and slide presentation is available on our website under the Investors section. We have several members of our management team with us today, including Jeff Martin, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Trevor Mychajluk, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Lisa Alexander, Senior Vice President, Corporate Affairs and Chief Sustainability Officer Justin Bird, Chief Executive Officer of Sempra Infrastructure Faisal Khan, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Sempra Infrastructure Allen Lai, Chief Executive Officer of Omkor Kevin Segarra, Executive Vice President and Group President and Peter Wall, Senior Vice President, Controller and Chief Accounting Officer. Before starting, I'd like to remind everyone that we'll be discussing forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results may differ materially from those projected in any forward looking statement we make today.

Speaker 1

The factors that Donovan:] Could cause our actual results to differ materially are discussed in the company's most recent 10 ks and 10 Q filed with the SEC. All of the earnings per share amounts in our presentation are shown on a diluted basis, and we'll be discussing certain non GAAP financial measures. Please refer to the presentation slides that accompany this call for a reconciliation to GAAP measures. We also encourage you to review our 10 Q

Speaker 2

Please turn to the next slide. I'd now like to briefly highlight some of the key strategic advantages of our T and D portfolio. Sempra's 3 growth platforms are strategically in highly attractive and contiguous markets in North America and serve 1 of the largest utility consumer bases in the United States. Our strong position helps create momentum for critical investments in advancing safety, reliability and cleaner energy As the global energy market continues to evolve, we also believe our platforms will play an important role in building the energy systems of the future. Please turn to the next slide, where I'll turn the call over to Lisa to provide an update on our sustainable business practices.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Jeff. I'm pleased to share that we recently issued our annual corporate sustainability report for the 14th consecutive year. Sustainability is central to our strategy, capital allocation and sustained performance. Throughout our report, you'll see examples of our sustainable business Including how we've aligned our portfolio with long term macroeconomic, market and policy trends. Among other factors, our corporate strategy is focused on enhancing safety, climate resilience and affordability and capturing new investments that support increasingly diversified and cleaner forms of energy.

Speaker 3

One of the key improvements to the report is our enhanced to track and deliver on key ESG metrics. A couple of other highlights from the report are reflected on this slide. Recently, SDG and E issued its decarbonization roadmap for California, the path to net Our position is a leader in helping the state reach its goal of carbon neutrality by 2,045. It's also important to note that safety is foundational to our business. We're continuing the essential work of helping ensure employee and contractor safety and operational excellence.

Speaker 3

For example, ECA LNG recently surpassed 1,000,000 hours worked without a lost time injury. Additionally, customer affordability is another top priority and we're investing in the necessary infrastructure to help mitigate operating risks and enable adjust This approach of investing in our business while striving to maintain affordability underscores our values of Doing the right thing, championing people and our unwavering commitment to safety across our operations. Finally, we have a demonstrated history of sound corporate governance and oversight by our Board of Directors. The report highlights our Board's skills and Experience in, among other areas, cybersecurity, energy transition and operational excellence. Our strength in sustainable business practices has been recognized by experts in this sector, including the Dow Jones Sustainability World Index, And we've been named to the list for 4 consecutive years.

Speaker 3

Notably, we are the only North American utility company to be so recognized. I'm very proud of the collective effort from each of our businesses and our shared work with all our stakeholders. With sustainability at the heart of our corporate strategy, It provides a clear sense of purpose for our 20,000 employees. Please turn to the next slide where I'll hand the call over to Trevor to provide business and financial updates.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Lisa. We made solid progress in the Q1 with a number of positive developments at each of our operating companies. Beginning with California, we're excited about SDG and E's completion of the Cleveland National Forest Fire Hardening and Safety Project, Which is an example of SDG and E's commitment to making its electric system safer and more reliable. Next, I'd like to remind you of an important decision issued by the CPUC in February, establishing a statewide renewable natural gas procurement standard With procurement targets for California's investor owned gas utilities in 2025 2030. This decision reaffirms the role of renewable natural gas in the state and we view it as a significant step toward the future of cleaner fuels In California.

Speaker 4

Against that backdrop, SoCalGas continues to execute on its own goal A 20% renewable natural gas delivery to its core customers by 2,030. In April, Both SDG and E and SoCalGas filed their cost of capital applications to update each of their authorized rates of return, Which would be effective for 2023 through 2025. We expect a decision by year end. Regarding SDG and E's off cycle cost of capital application for 2022, we expect a decision later this year. For more information on the cost of capital filings, please refer to the appendix.

Speaker 4

Additionally, Both utilities plan to file their general rate cases with the CPUC in the coming weeks to update their authorized revenue requirements for 2024 Through 2027. Among other considerations, our filings will focus on safety and reliability investments, While also looking to advance the state's clean energy goals, we look forward to working with the commission and all of our stakeholders on these important regulatory proceedings. Shifting to Texas, it's important to note that in 2021, It was a record year for Encore in terms of the new and active requests for transmission interconnections, highlighting the rapid economic growth in its service territory. This growth has continued in the Q1 of 2022 with a 78% increase in new interconnection requests Compared to the Q1 of 2021, Encore's service territory continues to Experience strong new commercial development and population increases as demonstrated by Oncor connecting approximately 16,000 new premises In the Q1. Additionally, last month, Encore's Board of Directors approved an update to its 2022 capital plan From $2,800,000,000 to $3,000,000,000 While Oncor's Board typically approves the annual capital plan in October, This off cycle approval is another example of the robust economic growth in Texas driving investments to support transmission and distribution expansion.

Speaker 4

Also in March, Encore received approval of its transmission cost of service filing for the recovery of its 2021 capital investments. Encore also plans to file its rate case with the Public Utilities Commission of Texas later this month. Now let's shift to Sempra Infrastructure, which is focused on making critical new investments that support the energy transition. As part of this strategy, Sempra Infrastructure is working to export LNG directly from the Gulf and Pacific coasts to customers in Europe and Asia. Furthermore, our U.

Speaker 4

S.-Mexico cross border infrastructure business supports the growing integration of North American energy markets. As part of our effort to develop Cameron LNG Phase 2, we've successfully reached a number of important commercial and permitting milestones And are now progressing towards the engineering stage of the project. As a reminder, in January, we filed our amendment with the FERC To transition from gas turbines to electric drives. If approved, this would result in a more capital efficient single train With an estimated 44% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions compared to the previous design. Also last month, we signed project development agreements and an HOA with Cameron LNG Partners to advance Phase 2 of the project.

Speaker 4

These arrangements provide the commercial framework for the development of a 4th train as well as increased production capacity through debottlenecking activities From the existing three trains. Sempra Infrastructure contemplates taking its share of the offtake and selling it under long term sale and purchase In summary, under the proposed arrangement, Cameron LNG Phase 2 would be fully contracted prior to reaching a final investment decision. In addition, we selected 2 FEED contractors to run a competitive process, Which is intended to culminate in a fixed price turnkey EPC contract. The FEED process is expected to conclude in the summer of 2023, Which would allow us to evaluate taking FID thereafter. We believe we have a strong plan of execution and this detailed and rigorous FEED process We will result in better scope, definition, cost and schedule for the project.

Speaker 4

Next, As we continue to advance our dual market strategy, we broadened our alliance with Total Energies to advance the Vista Pacifico LNG project And to explore renewable opportunities in North America. The MoU to develop Vista Pacifico LNG contemplates that TotalEnergies would receive 1 third of the project offtake and potentially participate in the project equity. Given the increasing demand for LNG projects, we're continuing to have active discussions with market participants around Port Arthur LNG. As a reminder, the proposed facility at Port Arthur has advanced permitting and design work and is targeted to have total capacity Of approximately 13.5 MTPA. Lastly, at Sempra Infrastructure, We continue to expect the sale of a 10% interest to Adia for approximately $1,800,000,000 to close in the 2nd quarter, Subject to customary closing adjustments and conditions.

Speaker 4

Please turn to the next slide. Earlier this morning, we reported Q1 2022 GAAP earnings of $612,000,000 or $1.93 per share. This compares to Q1 2021 GAAP earnings of $874,000,000 or $2.87 per share. On an adjusted basis, Q1 2022 earnings were $924,000,000 or $2.91 per share. This compares to our Q1 2021 adjusted earnings of $900,000,000 or $2.95 per share.

Speaker 4

Please turn to the next slide. The variance in the Q1 2022 adjusted earnings compared to the same period last year can be explained by the following key items: $42,000,000 of lower earnings at Sempra Infrastructure attributable to higher non controlling interest Consisting of $24,000,000 increase as a result of the decrease in our ownership interest of Sempra Infrastructure Partners, Net of an increase in our ownership interest in Enova and $18,000,000 primarily due to an increase in Sempra Infrastructure Partners Subsidiaries net income. This was offset by $27,000,000 of higher equity earnings at Sempra Texas Utilities, Primarily due to the increased revenues from the rate updates to reflect increases in invested capital, higher customer consumption and customer growth, $25,000,000 of higher transportation and terminal earnings at Sempra Infrastructure and $22,000,000 of higher CPUC Base operating margin, net of operating expenses at SDG and E. Please turn to the next slide. To summarize, We've continued to invest in our record capital plan to help build the energy networks of the future.

Speaker 4

We're pleased about the strength of our financial performance this quarter We'll remain highly focused on executing our strategy and capital program throughout the remainder of the year. With that, this concludes our prepared remarks. We'll now stop and take your questions.

Operator

Thank We'll take our first question from Shahriar Pourreza with Guggenheim Partners. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hey, guys. Good morning.

Speaker 2

Good morning, Shahriar.

Speaker 5

Just Jeff, starting off with the LNG updates today, can you just maybe further elaborate On the Cameron for timing updates, obviously part of the limiting element was the engineering piece. Does the latest Update potential to eliminate some of the future timeline risk. Is this kind of the last FID delay we should expect?

Speaker 2

Shar, thank you for the question. I've got some feedback from some other investors that may have been portions of the script that I need to Make sure that we read. Just give me one second to clean up the script and we'll come back to your question, okay? The part that I'd like to review For the investment community, as against the backdrop of a challenging economic environment, our company remains focused on executing our T and D investment strategy In our core markets, Sempra California is preparing to submit GRC filings at both SDG and E and SoCalGas later this month, Focused on providing safe, reliable and cleaner energy to its 26,000,000 consumers. Turning to Texas, Encore is executing on its record 5 year capital plan focused on critical T and D infrastructure investments across its service territory To support strong demographic growth and plans to file its rate case later this month.

Speaker 2

At Sempra Infrastructure, they're developing a platform that is uniquely positioned to export LNG directly from the Gulf and Pacific Coast to customers in Europe and Asia. The recent tragic events unfolding in Ukraine have highlighted the need for secure access to reliable sources of cleaner energy Sempra Infrastructure is well positioned to be part of the solution. Our strategy of investing in T and D infrastructure to Expand and modernize North America's energy systems across each of our 3 growth platforms is continuing to drive our record $36,000,000,000 5 year capital plan and has helped us deliver another quarter of very strong financial results. Also in April, we completed $250,000,000 of share repurchases under our existing Board authorization. Now in the last 6 months, we've returned $750,000,000 of capital to our shareholders in the form of share repurchases, Which taken together with our dividend program demonstrates our commitment to returning value to our owners while remaining focused On investing in and growing our businesses as part of a disciplined capital allocation strategy.

Speaker 2

Shifting to our quarter results. Earlier this morning, we reported Q1 2022 adjusted earnings per share Of $2.91 We're also affirming our full year adjusted EPS guidance range for 2022 And our EPS guidance range for 2023. So these remarks should be read together with the remarks we made earlier this morning. And turning back to you, Shar, Based on the nature of question, I want to agree with you. Look, we're very excited about the Cameron Phase 2 project.

Speaker 2

There was a flurry of activity in the Q1 that I think gives us a lot more confidence today about that project's ability to move forward. We have estimated that by putting together 2 competitive EPC contractors, that additional time will improve the scope. It will improve the definitive detail around the engineering and help us have a better project in the long run and oftentimes use and what is probably a poor metaphor Shar When we refer to golf, the goal is not to play 18 rounds of golf in 2 hours. The goal is to basically shoot the lowest possible score. And we've been in this business for just over 15 years.

Speaker 2

And when it comes to executing an LNG project, all the Planning upfront makes a tremendous amount of difference. So right now, we're estimating that that EPC work will come together in the summer of 2023 And soon thereafter, we'll take FID. So I think the key takeaway really is, as you described, we've added a lot more detail to our execution plans And the probability that this project go forward has increased significantly in the last quarter.

Speaker 5

Perfect, perfect. And then just Jeff, just lastly, can you maybe just address the project development pipeline? I mean, this optionality means, I mean, in our view, point more now than it Ever has given sort of the issues you highlighted happening overseas in your prepared remarks, right. Maybe starting off With sort of the ability to deliver more capacity, is there demand for Vista Pacifico and more importantly for Port Arthur's, The engineering and permitting in relatively advanced stages, given the history of the projects, I mean, would you be able to move faster To address the market demand in terms of setting future FIDs? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes, it's a great question. Let me try to take it in a couple of pieces here. Start at the very top and say that we're one of the few developers in the U. S. LNG community that has a shot at delivering To 30,000,000 tons per annum of new capacity to the marketplace.

Speaker 2

And what I'd like to do, Shar, is

Speaker 6

let me just give you a

Speaker 2

quick overview of what we're seeing in the macro environment for LNG and then I'll pass it to Justin. And Justin, I think it would be helpful if you just start on Slide 13 And walk the audience through your entire development pipeline. But for those of you who have been following our company for the last 3 to 5 years, we've often discussed our forecast The second wave of U. S. LNG development that would be necessary by the middle of this decade.

Speaker 2

And when you have properly functioning markets, they tend to pull forward both Risk and opportunity, I think that's what we're seeing today. In this case, with the tragic war in Ukraine, the sanctions against Russia highlight several considerations. First, Today, Europe benefits from about 18,000,000,000 cubic feet per day of Russian gas. And if you were being asked to replace all And you convert that to capacity, that would be 127,000,000 tons per annum of new capacity is required To Supply Europe, that would be more than double all of the existing plans that are on the table in the United States LNG community. So a couple of highlights as I thought about it is, a clear takeaway is energy security is a foundational component to transitioning toward a clean energy future.

Speaker 2

The second takeaway is European markets are clearly net short LNG in the near and medium term and that is clearly showing up in a record Trip of foreign prices all across the curve. And finally, strong growth continues in Asia. And over the long I want to emphasize that Asia remains the number one growth market for U. S. LNG.

Speaker 2

With these considerations in mind, I believe the U. S. LNG community is in the best position to respond to the needs of both markets, And that's why we're actively pursuing commercial arrangements with both European and Asian buyers and that's why we've had a high number of market announcements in the last And Justin, if you don't mind, let's just walk through Slide 13 and give a comprehensive overview of the development we have underway.

Speaker 7

Thank you, Jeff. Thanks, Shar. First off, to echo Jeff's thoughts, we're very pleased with the significant progress we've made on our LNG projects over the last quarter. Cameron Phase 1 is in operations and we're proud to say is Producing over 100% of the volumes that we expected at this time. ECA Phase 1, Again, 3,000,000 tons per annum brownfield located just south of San Diego, only project to take FID in 2020.

Speaker 7

That project is on time and on budget. Technip is doing a great job there. As Lisa mentioned in her prepared remarks, We have achieved over 1,000,000 work hours without a recordable safety incident. We're very proud of our safety record And we remain on track to begin producing LNG by the end of 2024. Turning next to Phase 2 at Cameron, again, very exciting brownfield expansion project, real cost advantage in the market.

Speaker 7

We talk about an additional approximate 7 MTPA, one of which comes from the debottlenecking And approximately $6,000,000 comes from the additional train. We have made progress on all three Of the milestones that I mentioned in prior calls, on the permitting front, FERC has published a schedule that shows They expect to issue an environmental assessment in December, which would hopefully give us the permit in the Q1 of 2023. On the commercial side, we announced a project development agreement and an HOA with our partners. We are making progress on marketing those volumes that we will take and we should expect Progress in that in the next quarter. On the engineering side, as Jeff mentioned, we are running a competitive FEED process And we do expect that to be completed in the summer.

Speaker 7

And as Jeff mentioned, we think that process We'll ensure that we have enough scope definition in engineering work to take FID. Moving next to Vista Pacifico. Here we're targeting up to 4,000,000 tons per annum and we recently signed the MOU with CFE In support of the project and announced the broadening of our strategic alliance with Total, who is Looking at 1 third of the project's offtake and potentially a minority equity stake, still an early stage project, But has a strong competitive advantage as a Pacific outlet to U. S. Natural gas to Asia.

Speaker 7

Port Arthur, again, the largest project in our portfolio with 13,500,000 tons per annum in Phase 1. As you mentioned, because of its scale and advanced permitting status, we're seeing a significant renewed interest in Port Arthur And we're advancing commercial discussions with a number of partners and key off takers. Also on the list, Which again is not included in the close to 30,000,000 tons that Jeff talked about is ECA Phase 2. We think this is a project that will make sense, and we're working on looking at opportunities there To bring in gas and to optimize the design of that project. So again, I think it's been a tremendous quarter.

Speaker 7

We have made tremendous progress on LNG. I'm very Proud of that business line and what they've achieved.

Speaker 5

Terrific. Thank you guys. That more than addressed my question. Appreciate it. Thanks, Jeff.

Speaker 5

Hi, guys.

Speaker 8

Thanks a

Speaker 2

lot, Shahriar. Thank you.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Durgesh Chopra with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Hi, Durgesh.

Speaker 9

Hey, good morning, Jeff. Thank you for taking the question. Hey, just Obviously, a robust pipeline of LNG projects here. Maybe just maybe this is probably in Trevor's bucket. But as we think about financing of these projects, should we be thinking about project debt, minority equity interest And minimum equity at the Sempra level?

Speaker 9

That's part 1 of my question. And then part 2, would you consider Further sell down of the SiP stake in order to fund this kind of robust opportunity, which is Clearly multiples of 1,000,000,000 of dollars over the next few years. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Durgesh. And I'll start with part 1 of your question first. I think if you go back over the last 4 or 5 years, we've been successful in growing our earnings per share at a CAGR of 11%. And to do that, we really reshuffled our portfolio, Sold down non core assets. And in the last 18 months, you've seen us consolidated our unregulated business under And the reason we formed Sempra Infrastructure was we thought there was an opportunity to do 3 things: simplify the business model, Consolidate those cash flows and create an investment grade balance sheet and bring in and diversify the capital structure with a view toward Highlighting value for owners.

Speaker 2

So we've notched that in the audio transaction at roughly an $18,000,000,000 equity value. In terms of sell downs, I'd like to get the audio deal done first before we consider that. But right now, we have such a wonderful slate of growth in front of us. We're very happy with our current three platforms and we're very happy to own 70% of that business going forward. And as we go Forward in time, we'll always work with our Board of Directors to look at opportunities to continue to optimize that business.

Speaker 2

But in terms of financing, One of the benefits of consolidating the EONOVA platform with LNG and establish an investment grade balance sheet is That business is now self funded. And I thought it would be helpful, Faisal, as the CFO of Sempra Infrastructure, perhaps you could give them an example How you think about financing these projects on your own balance sheet?

Speaker 10

Yes, sure. Thanks, Jeff, and good morning, Durgesh. So I think you recall in the past that we've talked about sort of all the potential sort of levers or sources of capital that we can pull in to finance these projects. So, 1st and foremost, project finance is one of the key areas we look at as we're signing these 20 year contracts with high credit worthy counterparties. I mean can basically supply 50% to 60% of the capital we need.

Speaker 10

Partner capital, we've talked about that. You've seen us execute on that with Cameron And at ECA, so if you think about 10% to 30% of an equity sell down in some of these projects that pulls in another slug of capital. And then when you think about what Jeff just talked about, our retained cash flows, we have strong cash flows of our existing assets. Those retained earnings definitely It can be, powered back into the equity needs for the project. We also have the ability to work with our partners in capital calls.

Speaker 10

So I think we have a lot of diverse sources of capital to pull into these projects. The other thing just to give you an example of how we're looking at Cameron. So we think about financing that project with our partners, if you remember Cameron has this amortizing debt capacity at the project. And so that in itself is creating balance sheet capacity as we go through each year. So roughly call it almost $500,000,000 Debt is being amortized on a proportional basis to us.

Speaker 10

So that gives us the ability to go in and create debt capacity there and finance the expansion. So just gives you an example. But suffice to say, we've got a lot of different areas we can pull capital out and still maintain Sempra 70% ownership in the infrastructure.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Faizal.

Speaker 9

Thank you a lot for that detailed response, Faizal. Just one quick follow-up. In your MoU with Total, you guys talked about pursuing like renewable opportunities including offshore. Maybe just can you talk to that a little bit? The reason why I asked that question obviously is one of your peers utilities is kind of in the market For sort of dropping their offshore projects.

Speaker 9

So just curious as to what you're targeting there. Is that international offshore, domestic offshore? Any other color you could provide? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Sure. I will frame this for you and pass it to Justin for the specific response. But you recall that we built Roughly a 3,000 megawatt growth portfolio of renewables that we transacted on in 2018 2019 And this is a business we know very, very well. Our focus in the renewable space is on selective market opportunities where we think we can produce the right types So, total rates, this is a very, very margin constrained business from Sempra's perspective. So, as we think about a $36,000,000,000 capital program, Our first dollars go into funding our utility growth and inside Justin's business, we'll be very selective about the renewable Opportunities that we do pursue and making sure we do it in a capital efficient way with partners.

Speaker 2

But maybe Justin, you could talk about your Clean Power business And while the Total MOU has a positive opportunity for us.

Speaker 7

Yes. Thank you. And thanks for the question, Durgesh. Yes. The MOU with Total and again there were 2, one covered Vista Pacifico, the other covered looking at certain renewable opportunities in North America, Really covers 2 aspects.

Speaker 7

1 is Total's potential participation in some

Speaker 11

of our

Speaker 7

future Renewable projects in Mexico that could service Cal ISO as well as Total Asking us to look at their opportunity for offshore wind that would service California. So as part of our broad strategic alliance with Total, Look, it's a great relationship. We hope to expand it beyond LNG and other areas. And really these are the first opportunities we're looking at. So Clearly, we would look to them to potentially partner in Mexico.

Speaker 7

And I think they see the value that we can bring in a renewable project Into California.

Speaker 9

Got it. Sounds like this is more California and Mexico Danaher in the East Coast. Okay. Thank you so much guys. Much appreciate.

Speaker 9

Sorry, go ahead, Jeff.

Speaker 2

No, I was going to say thank you. Your summary that's accurate. It's California, Mexico focus.

Speaker 9

Got it. Thank you so much guys. I appreciate you taking the time and answering my questions.

Speaker 12

Thank you.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Steve Fleishman with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 12

Yes. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Speaker 2

Good morning, Steve.

Speaker 12

I won't ask you to go through all the LNG. I won't ask you to go through all the LNG Projects again, but just a follow-up on Cameron. So in terms of realistic timelines for both the for first the debottlenecking and then the fall Expansion, what are realistic kind of timelines for startup?

Speaker 2

Sure. I'll pass that to Justin. You can Provide your response.

Speaker 7

Yes. So thanks, Steve. So on the debottlenecking, we are working through the engineering Process with our partners. And remember debottlenecking may be a series of changes that we make over time. So that engineering, we're working through that.

Speaker 7

We expect that to really continue kind of through late summer fall. And then we'll figure out the timeline for bringing those things on. Really that is about, 1, optimizing The existing production not interfering with that and then finding cost effective ways to increase that capacity to that approximate one or Perhaps more. In terms of Train 4, again, I think we gave a detailed outline as we move toward FID. And then when we get to the construction period, it's going to be the typical periods that you see kind of that 4 to 5 year period.

Speaker 7

And then That's where we are for Cameron Phase 2. As Jeff mentioned, part of the work we're doing and why The FEED process, we're definitely going to let that run its course to the summer is that we do think we will get increased Certainty on execution plans, better sense of the scope of work, the timing of the work and frankly, reduced costs.

Speaker 2

The only point that I would clarify for you, Steve, too, is that these projects tend to have something in the neighborhood of a 48 months to 50 months window for construction. So once you take FID and secondly, Justin conveyed that accurately, the debottlenecking because it will be a series of ongoing projects which are conducted concurrent With construction, you'd expect to see the benefit of that 1,000,000 ton per annum that we're targeting start to show up across multiple periods between 2024, 20252026.

Speaker 12

Thank you. And just on the buyback Update. So, how should I think about the buybacks that have been done relative to, I think on the last call, you had kind of $1,000,000,000 placeholder in 2023. Is some of this moving Forward some of that.

Speaker 2

Yes, sure. I would say taking you back, Steve, To the Q4 call, you recall that we had completed about $500,000,000 of share repurchases in December of 2021 and in January of 2022. And as part of that, we committed to a long term EPS growth rate of 6% to 8%. I cited earlier on the call that over the last 5 years, we've grown at roughly 11% in terms of our EPS. So I'm quite comfortable reaffirming our expectation that we are quite comfortable We're rolling this business long term between 6% 8%.

Speaker 2

But we indicated on the Q4 call that we would complete $1,000,000,000 share repurchase before the end of 2023. And I would just say at this point, nothing's changed as it relates to that forecast. We've simply brought forward $250,000,000 of that targeted amount. The key takeaway from my perspective and from Trevor's perspective is we're excited to be executing our $36,000,000,000 capital program And we view our dividend program, Steve, together with these periodic share repurchases, it's a great way to return value to our shareholders along the way.

Speaker 12

That's great. And just one follow-up to that question. So just when you look at your buybacks, You bought a lot of stock at a much lower price, which is great. Although and then this last $250,000,000 actually was Even done at a higher price. And I'm just is there any messaging to take from that that Hey, even at $169 you have a certain view of the stock value or was it just more you had the cash Sitting around or just wondering if there's any message from that.

Speaker 2

No, I think there's a very clear message. And you recall back when our stock It was trading at a different price in Q2, Q3, Q4 of last year. We've been fairly consistent about our view of Our ability to grow this business at a rate faster than our peers and in combination, we think we have a very unique growth and income story. We thought that we were undervalued in Q4 and that's one of the reasons we put some dollars to work in the share repurchase program. And if you look at where we were trading relative to the peer group in Q4 of last year, we're just as deeply discounted at this moment in time to our peer group as we were Back in Q4.

Speaker 2

So there's a strong view on this management team that this stock should trade consistent with the peer group or better. And that's one of the reasons we're very comfortable going in the marketplace to continue our share repurchase program.

Speaker 12

Thank you very much.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Steve.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Nicholas Campanella with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Speaker 13

Hey, how's everyone doing? Thanks for taking the time.

Speaker 2

Good morning.

Speaker 13

So I just hey, good morning, good morning. I hate to just belabor it on the LNG stuff. I just wanted to Just to make sure we had the project priorities right and just in terms of you have a lot out there. We've seen some of your competitors Signing various purchase agreements and I know you're working through multiple projects and Cameron's prioritized, but where do you just that you have the best momentum right now and where should we be looking at what products should we be looking at for further announcements in the near term? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thank you for the question and we don't mind providing additional color. I think that I think I just want to convey that we've Been in this business for close to 2 decades and we understand what it takes to get a project done and very pleased that we got ECA Phase 1 moving forward in Q4 of 2020. We've made a lot of progress recently on all of our projects, but the ones I would focus on is number 1, It's really, really important to this management team and our Board of Directors that we execute our existing capital campaign and our largest project today It's underway at ECA Phase 1. So our top priority is to execute on the existing FID that we took on that project.

Speaker 2

Secondly, we spent a lot of airtime in the last 3 or 4 earnings calls talking about Cameron expansion. It truly has a cost advantage in the marketplace. So the ability to basically add one train and effectively with debottlenecking 7,000,000 tons per annum is a remarkable opportunity against the backdrop of The world being short LNG, particularly at this moment in time in Europe. And then beyond that, we are clearly looking at all the different opportunities around Vista Pacifico and Port Arthur. But I think the thing I always want to convey is we are very, very disciplined.

Speaker 2

I gave a poor Goff analogy earlier, but from our standpoint, it's not always a race. We think that there's a lot of value and there's a lot of customers in the marketplace that want We work with a company that has a strong balance sheet and a strong record a track record and is focused on doing things the right way. So We think we have a unique position in the marketplace. We don't think about it from a speed perspective, but we think about it from Executing with deliberation and the right values to make sure that we can deliver the best risk adjusted cash flows to our investors. So Right now, the focus is making sure we execute on our existing construction program and that we run headlong toward Cameron expansion With a great group of partners and as Justin indicated earlier, we expect to have that project fully contracted or substantially so by the end of Q2.

Speaker 13

Got it. All right. Thank you very much. That's helpful. I guess just like, Jeff, a broader kind of business mix and strategy question.

Speaker 13

You took over 3 to 4 years ago. You talked a lot about repivoting the company to North American infrastructure, that now seems like it's complete. The stocks responded. And I guess just how are you thinking about the portfolio today? Are there businesses that you want to be bigger in and from an inorganic perspective specifically?

Speaker 13

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Sure. I think I made a comment earlier that we feel very good about our 3 growth platforms. And I'll tell you one of the I'll tell you one of the observations that we've had in our strategy discussions with our Board of Directors was very early in the first half of the pandemic of twenty twenty. We realize the value in this sector of scale, right. So as you think about the clean energy transition, you think about The GRC programs that are going forward in our company here in California and Texas, there's no question that putting EONOVA together with LNG and had Circling some EBITDA figure of around $2,000,000,000 was the right move with an investment grade balance sheet.

Speaker 2

So I think one of the things we're benefiting from right now is We're in the best markets that are experiencing tremendous growth and we've been able to put together 3 businesses at scale. So when we came out with our 6% to 8% long term growth rate, we have a very bullish view of what we can accomplish and it's really around The market position and scale that we have across all three of these areas and right now as you think about inorganic opportunities, I think we can effectively take those off the table. We've got a $36,000,000,000 capital program and our job is to execute that with discipline and I think we're going to be in a position to outperform. Thanks a lot. Thank you.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Jeremy Tonet with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hi, good morning.

Speaker 2

Good morning, Jeremy.

Speaker 8

I just wanted to come back to the LNG side a little bit more if I could. And just want to get your thoughts, I guess, on the depth of the long term contract market out there. We've seen Shneur, Global Venture, recent months kind of signed these 15, 20 year contracts. We saw Energy Transfer get over 4 MTPA in past month or so here in kind of that same ZIP code, is that do you see the depth of that market improving versus where it was before Given what we're seeing for energy security needs as you outlined there, just wondering, is the market there for the contract lengths that you guys want and the risk Profile that you want, how do you see the market today there?

Speaker 2

Yes, I'll make just a quick comment and I'll pass it to Justin and maybe Justin you can update them on how the Type of conversations you're seeing in terms of contract tenure, but I just returned to one of the things I said in my earlier remarks, which is there's no question Everyone now can see what we've been forecasting, which is this net short position in Europe and the magnitude of what is required to back out 8,000,000,000 cubic feet per day of gas is a significant number of new capacity that will exceed even what the U. S. LNG community can provide. But Asia is a larger opportunity. So I think if you look at the opportunity in both markets, there's going to be a real demand Near term and long term for more LNG facilities and that impacts the pricing environment and the opportunity to have longer tenure contracts.

Speaker 2

But Justin, Maybe you can provide a little bit of color on what the conversations you're having.

Speaker 7

Yes. Thanks, Jeff. Yes, Jeremy, yes, the conversations we are having are Around the types of contracts that we look for at Sempra, which again to your point is long term with creditworthy counterparties. I think you are accurate. There has been a dramatic shift in the market in the recent days.

Speaker 7

Specifically, we've seen a significant amount of long term contracts. You saw, well, I think 1 in February. I think there's around 7 in March and most recently there's been one in April. So yes, you are seeing a lot of parties Given the volatility in both TTF and JKM and frankly the high forwards, you're seeing a definite renewed interest Any parties willing to go long term and those are the conversations that we are having.

Speaker 8

Got it. That's helpful. So the type contracts we're seeing signed out there, those are the types that would be sufficient for you guys to underpin, I guess, Future moving forward with the project at this point.

Speaker 2

Yes, that's correct.

Speaker 8

Got it. Okay. And then maybe just want to pivot towards the offshore wind for a moment here. Just how to think about that? How that fits into the portfolio, your Q projects, just wanted to see how high of a priority that is at this point?

Speaker 2

I would say it's one of our lowest priorities.

Speaker 8

Got it. That's helpful. Thanks. And just the last one, if I could. Thinking about the state's RNG goals, they're also Ongoing key pump efforts seemingly and some competition here.

Speaker 8

Just wondering how you think about the balance of electrification Versus RNG in decarbonizing California at this point?

Speaker 2

Yes, great question. I'll tell you that We've got a lot of folks inside of our company that are focused on both opportunities around green molecules and green KWs. But I think what we view is There's going to be a requirement that we transition in an orderly way toward increasing clean resources and we're very, very bullish on electrification. I hope we get the chance for Al and I to update you on some of the really large scale electrification that's taking place in the Texas marketplace. But I would also tell you there are some hard to decarbonize areas in American society, largely heavy industry, heavy transportation, Some of the maritime and aviation uses of energy.

Speaker 2

So in California, there's growing recognition by the regulator and across all market participants There's going to be a strong trend toward electrification, but there's really a convergence between the need for green molecules to power some of that electrification And to help decarbonize. So I think the commission deserves a tremendous amount of credit for taking a forward looking view on renewable natural gas as an example. You may recall that over 3 years ago, we set a target for 2,030 of 20% of our core customers being served by RNG And that was well before this ever came on the radar screen for our regulator. And now that they've adopted targets that progress over time up to closer to 12%, We feel like we're in a great position. I think we came out at around 4% penetration in our core customers at the end of 2021 And we continue to be optimistic about executing against some of the expectations of our regulators.

Speaker 2

So we firmly believe there's a role both for Cleaner molecules and for cleaner electrification and we expect to see both of those work in tandem going forward.

Speaker 8

Got it. That's very helpful. I'll leave it there. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Thank you very much.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Anthony Croda with Mizuho. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Good morning, Jeff. Good morning, Trevor.

Speaker 12

Good morning.

Speaker 5

Hopefully, 2 of the easy ones. One is that I just

Speaker 14

want to make sure I

Speaker 5

didn't say fully, is the LNG growth platform funding, even though projects maybe have been accelerated or potential Is that still a self funding model to the LNG Growth platform?

Speaker 2

It sure is a self funding model. And I think It goes back to a couple of comments I've stitched together this morning, which was, we think one of the great lessons from the COVID economic environment was the importance of scale And scale will be even more important when we think about what we need to accomplish across all three platforms. And putting together those two businesses with an IG balance sheet, Our clear intention was to make sure it's a self funded platform and Faisel gave some examples of how he expects to do that using project level equity, Internally generated cash flows and project finance.

Speaker 5

Great. And then just lastly, hopefully easy follow-up. If I think of all of the questions or most of the questions I just say on the call, they're probably mostly related to maybe the smallest piece of Sempra's overall business Sempra Infrastructure. Is that a good or bad thing? Is it that the work that management has done over the last 2 years There were more questions on maybe the core business like Sempra California or Sempra Texas that has transitioned to the smaller business.

Speaker 5

Do you view that as a good or bad thing?

Speaker 2

I think it's a positive and let me explain why. Roughly 80% of our earnings mix comes from what we think are some of the best utility platforms in the United States, right? So our ability to basically grow rate In the United States, right. So our ability to basically grow rate base off of a $42,000,000,000 number at the end of last year At 9% going forward in our 5 year plan is a remarkable opportunity, but our ability to basically exceed expectations And grow this business faster than we forecasted really turns to our ability to grow how we grow Sempra infrastructure, right? So We're at a moment in time where across all three platforms inside Justin's business, that's the LNG and Net Zero Solutions Business, Clean Power and our Energy Network business, that has the chance to provide some really unique additive growth to our portfolio.

Speaker 2

So we talked a lot about our growth in the past. We've got a very strong portfolio of bond like returns from our California platform and our Texas platform, But our opportunity to exceed people's expectations is going to rely a lot on how they execute across their portfolio in Sempra Infrastructure.

Speaker 5

Great. And then just lastly, I think Jeff, when you described the transition that companies have over the years selling South America, investing in Semper Texas, You mentioned the word contiguous. How important is that towards the Sempra platform going forward?

Speaker 2

You may remember 15 or 20 years ago, a lot of M and A in our sector was limited to businesses that were actually contiguous. That's no longer a requirement. But one of the things we think about from our strategy is how do we extract synergies and efficiencies across all three platforms and at Sempra, The value of the parent company is we focus on people, process and technology to help drive the results across all three platforms and having a contiguous platform It's really helpful. And I'll tell you that the way I view it is, a lot of people broadly diversify their businesses. They're in different markets and different jurisdictions, but they fail to have the discipline to make sure they're extracting the benefits of diversification.

Speaker 2

In our case, we think the best way to manage risk is go deeper in the markets that are most important. So when you think about California as the 5th largest economy in the world. Texas has moved from number 10 to number 9 and Mexico is currently number 15 and forecasted 2,040 to be number 7 in the world. What we want to do is we want to have great regulatory relationships in those marketplaces. We want to understand all the market fundamentals We want to make sure that we're putting together a capital allocation strategy that allows us to extract the best risk adjusted opportunities in those markets.

Speaker 2

So One of the things I've talked about before is we've grown this business over the last 2 decades at a 7% EPS CAGR In an industry that has grown over the same period of time at 3%. And that's not just because we're better managers, it's because we're in the right market. So this focus On being deep and committed to extracting efficiencies in each of our core markets and contiguity as part of that It's part of our winning strategy, we believe.

Speaker 5

Great. Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on a good quarter.

Speaker 2

Thanks a lot. Appreciate it.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Ryan Levine with Bank of with Citi. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Good morning,

Speaker 15

Alan. Thanks for taking my question. Hi. What factors influence the scale and sizing of Vista Pacifico from MTTA perspective.

Speaker 2

Thank you. We've I would just say that we're really excited about both Eco Phase 1, which is under construction and Vista Pacifico, they both really leverage the same common resource of Permian gas and we have a straight shot 2 different pipeline systems to support Vista Pacifico. I had the opportunity to have dinner with the President of Mexico and John Kerry a couple of weeks ago In Mexico City, and the topic of that conversation, Ryan, was how we can move Vista Pacifico along at a faster pace. In Mexico, they understand the value of being able to export some of their natural resources, particularly high sulfur oil, But they also want to make sure that they raise their marquee status as an exporter of LNG. So I'm pleased with the type of support we have Across the government inside of Mexico to support that project going forward.

Speaker 2

But Justin, maybe you could talk about how you're thinking about the capacity at Vista Pacifico?

Speaker 7

Yes. Ryan, as Jeff mentioned, really Vista Pacifico will source gas from the Permian. Some of the sizing revolves around how much gas can be delivered at what rate there. We're also looking at clearly optimizing the design of the economics. It could be that we do it in 2 phases as we get additional gas transportation capacity.

Speaker 7

But again, early stage development, we will optimize the size For to create the best risk adjusted returns.

Speaker 15

Thanks. And then one on financing plans, it looks like most of your Debt is more fixed rate in nature, but curious how you're thinking about managing the more floating rate debt both in your current Portfolio or current capital structure and then as you look to grow these different businesses.

Speaker 2

And are you focused more on the LNG side or you're Talking about across the enterprise, Ryan?

Speaker 15

More within SAP, but to the extent there's closure and the other decisions, that would be helpful.

Speaker 2

Sure. Faisel, please take that.

Speaker 10

Yes, sure. Hey, Ryan. So you're looking at sort of proportional debt across Sempra infrastructure of Close to roughly $9,000,000,000 A lot of it is fixed rate debt and some of the debt we've that was floating rate we've swapped to fixed. But we don't actually don't have a tremendous amount of floating rate exposure. So and I think as you've seen the move in interest rates, We haven't really seen a big impact to the bottom line.

Speaker 10

So I think as we move forward with our projects, we'll look to see what the balance is between floating and fixed. But right now, we feel like We're in a pretty good

Speaker 15

position. Okay. Thank you. I think some of those floating rate Hedges expire in the next few years. Is the intention to continue to do swaps to lock in the fixed rate?

Speaker 10

So what we have is we have a lot of amortizing debt at Sempra Infrastructure. So I mentioned Cameron on a proportional basis. We also have Our pipelines in Mexico, the ones that we have joint venture agreements with, those also have amortizing debt. So naturally what's going to happen is that that rolls off those swaps So that's kind of probably what you're seeing. But other than that, there's we don't have any sort of floating rate debt that's not swapped during the for the tenor Of the security.

Speaker 15

Appreciate the color. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Raya.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Julien Dumoulin Smith with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Hey, afternoon. Morning. How are you guys?

Speaker 2

Hi, Julian.

Speaker 11

Hey, excellent. Hey, Jeff, just a question here, going back to Port Arthur, just focused on that. How do you think about the opportunity on permitting To pivot to electric or not, I mean, basically the thought there is, do you is it desirable to go back and look at that from an electric perspective, Given the GHG benefits and sort of what that means from a contracting perspective, obviously, cognizant of your other decisions here. Maybe you could speak a little bit to the timeline on that asset as well considering where you stand.

Speaker 2

Right. You recall just by way of analogy at Cameron, one of the things we did in concert with our partners was look at opportunities for us to lower Our overall greenhouse gas footprint at Cameron and that calls us to shift our filings to move to an electric drive for Cameron Phase 2. We're looking at things very similarly at Port Arthur. I think one of the unique advantages Port Arthur has is number 1 at scale And the degree that it's fully permitted across almost every aspect of the development currently. So I think the expectation would be that the electric will probably be part of Phase 2, at Port Arthur LNG and given the level of interest we have in Phase 1, we would proceed as we've currently filed.

Speaker 11

Got it. And considering that you don't need the updates on the FERC side, timeline there, obviously, you've got this engineering work with C4 Pushing into 23, any kind of similar timeline that you'd like to offer on Port Arthur Phase 1?

Speaker 2

We currently haven't put out an expectation for FID at Port Arthur. I would say that we are having Conversations with more than 20 different counterparties related to that project and interest is very high. But again, I think I've said it 2 or 3 times on this call, We're really committed internally to take a measured approach and be very disciplined. And if we can get that project in a box with really, really solid risk adjusted cash flows, It's the type of project that could move forward in our timeline.

Speaker 11

Sorry, Jeff. I didn't mean to push too much. I know we're all chomping at the bit We're free to succeed here, I get it. Quick last little detail, if I Encore, we haven't talked about it enough here. Prospects on settlement here, pre settling, however you want to talk about that in the context of filing later this month.

Speaker 11

You all have done remarkably well there over the years.

Speaker 2

Sure. I think this might be an opportunity, if you allow me. I think we can I'll comment on the rate case and maybe give a little bit of visibility into the growth we're seeing there. I know Alan had a remarkably positive press release that put out Attract a lot of that. Let me just start by saying before I pass it to Alan, Trevor and I were in Dallas last week for the ENCORE Board meeting.

Speaker 2

We could not have been more pleased with the comprehensive nature of the growth they're seeing on their system. As you know, in the market, they'd say the comment about don't fight the tape. There is a strong tape in Texas toward further growth. They raised their capital program from 2022 From $2,800,000,000 to $3,000,000,000 And Alan, maybe perhaps we could do 2 things. Maybe you could walk folks through Some of the growth you're seeing on the system because I think your examples will be helpful to people and then get right to Julian's question about How we think about settlement, which has been the tradition at Oncor as you look at regulatory filings like this?

Speaker 16

Yes, sure. Glad to. Julian, thanks for the question. Jeff, from a growth perspective, I think you described it well. What we're seeing, we put it out in our press release and then Trevor talked about it early on today.

Speaker 16

But still kind of 2% premise growth, 16,000 new premise this quarter. The real growth that we're seeing right now is transmission POIs, which is we put in our press release, but 50% increase in active requests, 78% increase in new requests. So just really strong transmission POI point of interconnection growth that we're seeing across our system right now. What we hadn't talked about yet and you mentioned it Jeff a little bit about electrification is what we're continuing to see in West Texas, Which continues to be very strong. We've talked about our Culberson loop, which is our transmission system that we serve the Delaware In December of 2021, it peaked at 800 megawatts and in March, we're already at 845.

Speaker 16

Far West Texas weather zone Every month in 2022 has exceeded the demand for the corresponding months in 2021. And then Kind of a new thing we're seeing, I haven't I don't think talked to you all out before is we have another loop out there known as the Stanton loop, which serves the Midland Basin and we're We're seeing really strong demand on that loop right now as well. So a lot of that is electrification of existing facilities. I think the next Phase on that will be many of our customers are looking at electrifying really their entire processes. And so that's out there and still coming.

Speaker 16

That really strong growth, Jeff, to your point, is what's driving, this $200,000,000 additional CapEx that you and the Board and Trevor did with us a couple of weeks ago. We're still at $15,000,000 on our 5 year plan. We have added $200,000,000 to that. That's not pull forward. That's $200,000,000 in addition.

Speaker 16

But we're not changing our 5 year CapEx outlook until we get to our Board in October. But I think you can extrapolate out if you think about the growth we're seeing here, Which has been fairly consistent over a number of years now and even increasing that there's some upward pressure on that CapEx number or opportunities Going into October that in addition to the fact that we like other utilities in Texas and around the country I think are taking a really hard look at Resiliency and hardening and there may be some things we have on that coming in coming out of October as well. So that's kind of the background on the growth in the CapEx story that we're seeing too. Julien, to your question specifically, I appreciate comments and I couldn't agree more. I've been around this business for about 30 years now.

Speaker 16

And we have a history and almost a tradition of being able to work with these parties down here And with our commission. And I think we'll do everything we can to do that again this year. We are going to file this case around May 11, Which is our I think in our Q, we said, unless we settle early that puts us in new rates kind of end of third quarter In the Q4, I'm sorry, beginning of Q1, I think we have a very strong case. I think we have a really good Story, we're a good company. We work with the state.

Speaker 16

We do what we're asked to. We have safe operations, reliable operations And we are the low cost provider in the state from an IOU perspective. And we have very strong relationships with our stakeholders and I think a Very good reputation with our regulators. And so all those things are going to give us opportunities to do what we've done in the past, which is work with these parties And try to read something amicable that works for us and benefits the state in the ERCOT market. And we're doing that now.

Speaker 16

We've had some discussions All ready with some parties. Obviously, we haven't filed our case yet. So we'll see who all intervenes in our case. People will have to have a time for Discovery as they always do. And then you always try and settle these things to the extent you can around the time of intervenor testimony, Obviously before hearing.

Speaker 16

But it's a good case, I believe. It's a strong case. We're looking forward to presenting it. And his History as a guide, I think you know what we'll try and do and we'll work with the parties and see what we can come up with and I'm optimistic, we'll have to see who intervenes and what positions they take.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Alan.

Speaker 6

You bet.

Speaker 11

Excellent, guys. Thank you so much. Have a great one.

Speaker 2

Thanks a lot, Julien.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Michael Lapides with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Speaker 14

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question and congrats on a good start to the year. On Cameron, Two questions there. Just on having a kind of re up or redo or reevaluate the FEED study and getting a response back Middle of next year. Just curious, how much certainty do you think you have at this point in time in terms of what Cameron The expansion is going to actually cost.

Speaker 14

And I say that given the updated FEED study, but honestly given all the things happening in the macro environment with Both labor inflation, commodity goods inflation materials, etcetera.

Speaker 2

Yes, Michael, we usually have a 7 limit Question for LNG on our call, but we're going to take your 8th question just because of our long standing relationship, okay?

Speaker 14

Sounds great. I'll take it.

Speaker 2

I'm joking with you. But We've done a lot of work on Cameron. This isn't something we started in the last 12 months. We've got a lot of definitive work that's been done. In fact, Cameron has benefited From a lot of the work that was done at Port Arthur over the last several years.

Speaker 2

So we're in great shape in terms of our understanding of the cost structure of that business. I think what you're seeing us do is make sure there's a competitive process. We want to make sure that we've got a clear understanding of the schedule, All the key milestones that we need to have in place so that we can execute well. I think we have the shot to execute Cameron Phase 2 Exceedingly better than how we executed Cameron Phase 1. And this additional detail work is part of our desire to have a really clean execution plan.

Speaker 2

So The way I would read into it is, I made this comment earlier, our confidence level in the detail of this project and the commercial viability of the project has gone up In the last 4 or 5 months and this additional work I think only adds more value to the schedule and more importantly more value to the project.

Speaker 14

Got it. And then one for Alan, actually it may be 1.5 questions for Alan. Alan, just curious in your team's Planning, kind of reliability planning, system planning, what do you think kind of the multiyear demand growth Projection is that that's baked into that planning by your team.

Speaker 16

Sorry, Michael. The multi year demand growth

Speaker 5

is what

Speaker 16

you're asking for?

Speaker 5

Yes, load growth.

Speaker 16

Yes, about 1.5% consumption.

Speaker 14

Got it. Okay. And just curious, there's an interesting docket underway or proceeding, I don't know what to call it, at ERCOT right now. Talking about what's happening with both data centers and even crypto mines and that it could be 5 to 6 gigawatts in a 70 something gigawatt market of incremental demand,

Speaker 5

some in front of

Speaker 14

the meter, some behind the meter in the next like 24 months. Just curious how you think that ripples through both that 1.5% demand projection, but also just Part of market reliability system needs regulation etcetera.

Speaker 16

Yes, Michael, it's a really good question. I'll tell you we spent a lot of time on it. And I can tell you we are seeing what you would expect we see with those type of numbers being thrown around. I am glad, I'm encouraged that ERCOT and the The commission probably is going to look at this because it's a very interesting load, right? Now I like load.

Speaker 16

I like new customers and I like big Emerson, so that's a good thing. How those customers integrate and operate on the system and the amount of generation they require, electrons they Choir, I think, is an important issue for the state. But we are seeing a high level of large customers, Right. I mean some of those have been publicly announced. The TI plant in Sherman, the Samsung plant in Taylor, which are different obviously not crypto or data center related.

Speaker 16

But we're also seeing a large number of 50, 100, 200 megawatt customers coming to us and wanting to get online Very rapidly. And a lot of that is reflected in some of our transmission POI numbers. And a lot of that hasn't been reflected yet, it's still to come. But it will if it manifests result in obviously discussions we have with our Board going into October on CapEx depending on what we actually see coming out of those. And again, I think it's great that the state is looking at it.

Speaker 16

I think it's very interesting load because it can manifest very rapidly, Right. It's not like building a manufacturing facility. You can put up a crypto facility very quickly. And so that impacts our ability to get to you quickly. And then you can also potentially move quickly if market conditions change.

Speaker 16

And so I think it's an important issue for the state and I'm glad they're looking at it. And we're obviously looking at it very closely as well from not only CapEx and operation perspective, but what it would do overall to ERCOT.

Speaker 14

Got it. Thank you, Alan.

Speaker 2

Michael, I'd also add to that that we go back and think about the last time Alan settled a rate case, Which was in November of 2017. At that time, they had a forward 5 year capital program of $7,500,000,000 And in the last 4 years, it's doubled to 15. And based upon what Trevor and I saw at last week's board meeting and some of the feedback that Alan has given us, This has all been done around the idea of meeting new load growth. But today, that load growth is continuing and we're now looking Back to adding in what Alan described earlier, which is more spending around resiliency and obsolescence to make sure that we can integrate all these different loads. So My basic thesis here, Michael, is being in the right markets, really good markets with good regulatory jurisdictions and solid growth It's a great way to outperform your peers and Encore is a great example.

Speaker 2

And I'll tell you, Alan and his team are running a great program. And I think as we get toward October, Not only they'd be prosecuting their rate case and hoping that that will be settled, I think we're going to be looking at increased capital spending. That's one of the reasons they've been running their equity layer At around 45% instead of 42.5% heads into this rate case.

Speaker 14

Got it. Thank you, Jeff. Thanks, Alan. Much appreciated.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Michael.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Paul Patterson, Glenrock Associates. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Good morning, Paul.

Speaker 6

Good morning, guys. Hey. So I have sort of a big picture question And I apologize if you guys talked about it, but I missed it. But as you know, perennially, there's this concern that's raised by manufacturers about The price of natural gas and LNG's potential impact on it. And given this robust outlook for LNG exports and also you guys So natural gas and obviously you guys look at this in a pretty big way and a pretty detailed way I'm sure.

Speaker 6

So and it's dynamic. So there's a potential for supply increases etcetera In relation to prices, so I was just wondering when you see all this opportunity, Angie, you see domestic needs and everything And supply, what do you think the impact would be on what's the long term Sort of outlook you guys have on natural gas prices in the U. S. Given this LNG robust LNG outlook that you see. You follow me?

Speaker 2

Look, Paul, it's a great question. And obviously, there's been a lot of moving forces going across the supply and demand market Place both for oil and natural gas and even in electricity in some markets, markets like Europe have a lot of gas on the margin markets for electricity. But I would say that you've got about a 6.5 to 7.5 Bcf per day marketplace that we export to Mexico And you've also got this 11 or 12 Bcf marketplace as we export LNG around the world. So that's about 20 Bcf per day. And what's interesting is on a relative basis, Henry Hub has not had a lot of price volatility relative to the markers you usually see for Natural gas in Europe at TTF or JKM.

Speaker 2

So long term, remember, there hasn't been a lot of investment over the last 5 years From the oil and gas sector and new sources of delivery, and I think you're going to continue to see market forces continue to come back in And raise the rates of production as necessary to meet demand. So I can't give you a definitive forecast. It's something that we follow closely, We're very confident about the level of natural gas resources in the United States and the United States being best positioned to meet the growing demand for both Asia And for Europe. There is a DOE study that I would refer you to. And the DOE analysis, they talk about the United States' ability to supply these different markets over the next 20 years and that might be a good resource for you to reference.

Speaker 6

Yes. I think I've seen it maybe. I just was wondering if you thought that that you think that those assumptions and everything still apply given I haven't looked at it in a while I think, but If it's the same one we're talking about, but you think those things, if I understand you correctly, are pretty much intact even with this more robust potential outlook I

Speaker 2

think that's fair. And I would also remind folks that because we're T and D focused, As we look at launching these various LNG projects, you remember Cameron was a tolling project, ECA Phase 1 It's a project where we don't take any commodity risk because you're buying at an index and you're selling at an index. So in terms of shielding our projects, The way you do that is you make sure you got long term contracts with good credit counterparties and you make sure you're not taking commodity risk. But in terms of the larger macroeconomic picture, I would refer you to that DOE study, which tends to indicate the conclusions you just described.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thanks so much. Appreciate it.

Speaker 2

Thank you for joining the call, Paul.

Operator

And ladies and gentlemen, this

Speaker 2

Look, I just want to stop and thank everyone for joining today's call. We look forward to seeing you all at the upcoming AGA conference in Florida later this month. Feel free per custom to reach out to our IR team with any additional questions. And this concludes today's call.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. We appreciate your participation. You may now disconnect.

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