Generac Q1 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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May 4, 2022

There are 14 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the First Quarter 2022 Generac Holdings Incorporated Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation. There will be a question and answer session.

Operator

Now it is my pleasure to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Mike Harris, Vice President, Corporate Development and Investor Relations. Thank you. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good morning, and welcome to our Q1 2022 earnings call. I'd like to thank everyone for joining us this morning. With me today is Aaron Jagdfeld, President and Chief Executive Officer and York Regan, Chief Financial Officer. We will begin our call today by commenting on forward looking statements. Certain statements made during this presentation and other information provided from time to time by Generac OR its employees may contain forward looking statements and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in these forward looking statements.

Speaker 1

Please see our earnings release or SEC filings for a list of words or expressions that identify such statements and the associated risk factors. In addition, we will make reference to certain non GAAP measures during today's call. Additional information regarding these measures, including reconciliation to comparable U. S. GAAP measures is available in our earnings release and SEC filings.

Speaker 1

I will now turn the call over to Aaron.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Mike. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. We experienced another all time record in shipments during the Q1 as net sales, adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EPS were all ahead of our previous expectations. The revenue outperformance was primarily driven by continued progress on our capacity expansion plans and effective management of a challenging supply chain environment. This led to higher than expected shipments of home standby generators, power cell energy storage systems and C and I products globally.

Speaker 2

The higher revenues drove adjusted EBITDA dollars, which were also ahead of our prior expectations, Despite elevated input costs resulting in lower than expected margins in the quarter. Demand for our products also exceeded our expectations for the quarter, resulting in an increase in overall backlog from the end of 2021 with the home standby backlog remaining significant and providing us considerable visibility in the quarters ahead. Year over year overall net sales increased 41 percent to $1,140,000,000 And also grew sequentially from the Q4 of 2021, which was the previous all time record. We continue to experience robust and broad based growth across the business with each of our residential and C and I product classes and domestic and international reporting segments all growing at incredibly strong double digit rates as compared to the prior year on an as reported basis. Strong momentum in core sales, which excludes the impact of acquisitions and foreign currency, continued in the quarter with 33% growth over the prior year, led by our residential product category.

Speaker 2

Overall residential sales growth was again driven by a substantial increase in shipments of both home standby generators and Power Cell Energy Storage Systems as well as the impact from recent acquisitions. The C and I sales increase was led by our mobile and telecom channels domestically, growth across all regions internationally and the contribution from recent acquisitions. Adjusted EBITDA margin 17.3% were lower year over year, primarily due to the impact of higher input costs driven by ongoing supply chain challenges and the overall inflationary environment. Partially offsetting those cost headwinds were the increasing impact of multiple pricing actions implemented over the past year, favorable sales mix and the early impact of product cost reduction initiatives. Importantly, we expect growing realization of the previously announced price increases as 2022 progresses, as well as incremental favorable margin impacts from additional pricing actions, which were enacted during the Q2, further execution on cost reduction projects and easing input cost headwinds resulting in sequentially improving margins throughout the year.

Speaker 2

Now discussing our Q1 results in more detail. Shipments of home standby generators in the Q1 grew at an exceptionally strong rate over the prior year and continues to benefit from the convergence of multiple megatrends that has significantly increased consumer awareness for the category. Power outage activity as measured on a rolling 4 quarter basis at the end of the first quarter was approximately in line with the long term baseline average and early forecasts for the upcoming hurricane season are pointing to another year of above average activity. As discussed previously, home consultations faced a challenging comparison with the prior year due to the high profile Texas winter storm event and some several significant outages in other states in the Q1 of last year, but were in line with our expectations for the quarter. For some home consultations during the Q1 were nearly 3 times higher than the levels seen in the Q1 of 2020, reinforcing our view that demand for the home standby category has once again achieved and held a new and higher baseline level.

Speaker 2

Activations, which are a proxy for installs, Continued to grow at a solid rate compared to the prior year, led by the South Central and Midwest regions. We ended the quarter with over 8,100 residential dealers, an increase of more than 400 dealers over the past 12 months. We made better than expected progress increasing production levels for home standby generators As daily build rates at our Wisconsin facilities further increased over prior year levels and build rates continue to aggressively ramp sequentially at our new Trenton, South Carolina facility. Higher output levels are driving an improvement in lead times, which have been declining to Approximately 20 weeks from the approximately 27 weeks at the end of 2021. Despite the ongoing improvements in build rates and lead times, Home standby backlog remains well above $1,000,000,000 While build rates are projected to further increase throughout the year, we still expect to carry a meaningful portion of this backlog into 2023 even without the benefit of a major outage event in our forecast.

Speaker 2

In response to higher inflationary pressures, we're also taking additional pricing actions in the home standby category in the Q2 and we expect to realize the benefit of these additional increases primarily during the second half of twenty twenty two. New orders now reflect this higher pricing and orders and backlog will also see a price increase effective June 1. In addition to the several pricing actions we've taken, Significant cost reduction initiatives and moderating input costs are expected to further benefit margins for the product category moving forward. Our clean energy products contributed meaningfully to overall growth in the Q1 as shipments of our Power Cell Energy Storage Systems grew significantly from the prior year period as our team successfully navigated industry wide supply chain and logistics challenge. Supporting this rapid growth is the continued build out of our installer network As we ended the Q1 with more than 2,600 trained and certified dealers with approximately 1100 registered on our PowerPlay sales platform.

Speaker 2

In response to rising input and expedited logistics costs, we have also recently implemented additional price increases for our clean energy products. In spite of policy related uncertainty in the near term, we believe the megatrends and secular growth drivers underpinning consumer demand for Residential Clean Energy Solutions is as compelling as ever. We remain very optimistic about the new and innovative product offerings we're bringing to market in 2022, Including our new PB micro inverter product offering called the Power Micro, which has continued to receive significant pre launch interest from our channel partners. In addition, our recently launched Power Manager load control device has garnered positive feedback in the market and we expect this industry leading innovative product to further strengthen our position within the residential energy storage market. We are still expecting clean energy revenue growth well above 50% for the full year with continued strength in Power Cell Energy Storage Systems along with contributions from the initial rollout of new products.

Speaker 2

I'd now like to provide a quick update on ecobee. We're seeing good progress in developing cross selling opportunities for ecobee's hardware solutions with Generac's retail and wholesale partners. Longer term, we're pursuing opportunities with residential and clean energy dealers as well as working to leverage ecobee's existing HVAC dealer base to sell Generac products. In the smart thermostat product category, the ecobee brand resonates well with consumers and we have exciting new product introductions coming here in the 2nd quarter. Additionally, EcoBeats Dedicated Energy Services team has seen a number of wins with several utilities and grid operators, including a recently announced demand response program with a local utility provider in Colorado.

Speaker 2

This is a simple but important example of a program that can be replicated across the country, We're also seeing promising commercial developments between ecobee and Generac Grid Services with utilities having an increasing interest in ecobee's product offerings. The Generac Grid Services and Ecobee sales teams are jointly bidding on projects and this collaboration offers significant growth potential in a large and rapidly expanding market by leveraging ecobee's growing installed base of more than 2,000,000 connected homes. Our ability to increase our share of the value stack of a grid program is also improving the economics and payback for homeowners, which has the potential to improve demand for ecobee hardware as well as participation in grid services programs. Expanding a bit more on Generac Grid Services, the team is executing on its strategic vision and has an increasingly impressive and diverse sales pipeline that includes expanding the cross selling of Generac equipment along with other opportunities beyond software as a service contracts driven by our unique hardware plus software plus services value proposition. Generac Grid Services also experienced strong growth during the quarter in key metrics such as connected assets under management And we signed and closed a number of important software as a service, turnkey and performance contracts.

Speaker 2

In addition, a growing proportion hardware orders, including home standby generators and Power Cell Energy Storage Systems, along with other contracts in the final stages of negotiation, have improved our line of sight for a significant ramp in this business during 2022. Importantly, the Generac Grid Services team is making great progress integrating Generac's products on to the Concerto platform software platform to create complete solutions for utilities and grid operators. We are excited about the economic and societal value of these opportunities as we work to facilitate the decentralization, the digitization and the decarbonization of the power grid. Now let me make some comments on our C and I products, which also grew rapidly in the Q1 with strength across multiple end markets and geographies. Specifically, global C and I net sales increased 38% on an as reported basis and 24% on a core basis as compared to the prior year.

Speaker 2

Strong growth in net sales for domestic C and I products in the Q1 was led by national telecom and rental equipment customers shipments of C and I stationary generators through our North American distributor channel grew again in the Q1 and improving close rates helped drive growth in orders and backlog in this channel. Shipments to national telecom customers increased significantly during the Q1 as compared to the prior year, benefiting from elevated levels of capital spending by several of our larger telecom customers. The catalyst for the investment in backup power in this important vertical continues to be driven by the elevated power outage environment over the last several years, the power security mandate in California and the growing number of connected wireless devices alongside the build out of high powered and increasingly critical 5 gs communications infrastructure. We also experienced very strong growth with our national and independent rental customers this quarter. These customers are investing heavily in fleet equipment And we remain optimistic about the long term demand outlook for mobile products given the megatrend of the critical need for infrastructure improvements and recently passed legislation supporting infrastructure spending.

Speaker 2

We're also very excited about the opportunity to bring our mobile energy storage solutions, which we recently added through the Off Grid Energy acquisition in the U. K. To the North American market in 2022. And we have already seen meaningful order activity from key domestic channel partners for these products. Additionally, we are experiencing significant momentum in project wins for our natural gas generators used in applications beyond traditional standby power generation, such as their use in energy as a service, microgrid solutions and other distributed generation projects.

Speaker 2

A diverse range of customers from national and regional commercial accounts to municipalities and beyond are showing substantial interest in these solutions. We believe this demand is being driven by the need for enhanced resiliency and grid stability that these larger blocks of power offer for grid operators, Strong momentum also continued in our international segment as well with shipments increasing 49% year over year on an as reported basis during the Q1, with The core sales growth was driven by strength across all regions, most notably in Europe and Latin America. Overall demand remains very strong across our international segment with backlog further increasing since our Q4 earnings call. The European region is seeing particularly strong demand for portable generators, mobile products and C and I generators due in part to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. In the near term, a heightened focus on energy independence and security has emerged in the region, but longer term implications of the conflict remain uncertain Energies are developing for Off Grid Energy's mobile storage systems through Generac's global distribution footprint, resulting in incremental demand in new geographies driving significant backlog for these products.

Speaker 2

We have also begun additional product development projects within the mobile storage category to significantly expand the power capacity range of the product lineup. Global demand for deep sea's controls and automation products are at all time highs and order intake has surpassed our previous expectations. With respect to synergies, we are further embedding deepsea controls and technology into our legacy C and I products globally. Additionally, Deepsea provides important capabilities that are core to the growth of our portfolio of grid connected energy as a service and microgrid solutions. Our International segment has also experienced much stronger profitability Q1 adjusted EBITDA margins expanded to 15.2% from 6.2% in the prior year period due to the accretive margin profiles of the deep sea and off grid acquisitions, improved overhead absorption and better operating leverage on significantly higher volumes.

Speaker 2

In closing today, I'm extremely proud of the Generac team's efforts in delivering record sales record net sales results and navigating the difficult operating environment to deliver overall results that exceeded our previous expectations. We'll be discussing in detail our 2022 forecast update during the outlook portion of our prepared comments this morning. But in short, we're raising our net sales guidance for full year 2022 and maintaining our overall guidance for adjusted EBITDA dollars, which reflects the visibility provided from our increased backlog and confidence in our ability to execute. Supply chain challenges and the overall inflationary environment have persisted, We believe we've also taken appropriate measures to offset these ongoing headwinds. While we are tactically executing on our near term initiatives, We remain focused on the longer term megatrends for our business and their alignment with the strategic pillars of our Powering a Smarter World enterprise strategy.

Speaker 2

As we execute on our strategic plan, we're building out an ecosystem of connected energy technology solutions for both the residential and C and I markets to address the challenges faced by the aging electrical grid and the serious supply and demand imbalances that are developing. We remain confident and squarely focused on building out solutions portfolio as the modernization of the power grid is expected to significantly expand our addressable markets and ultimately lead to further growth opportunities for our business in the years ahead. I now want to turn the call over to York to provide further details on our Q1 2022 results and our updated outlook for 2022. York?

Speaker 3

Thanks, Aaron. Looking at Q1 2022 results in more detail, net sales increased 41 percent to $1,140,000,000 during the Q1 of 2022, another all time record as compared to $807,000,000 in the prior year Q1. The combination of contributions from acquisitions and the unfavorable impact from foreign currency had an approximate plus 7% impact on revenue growth during the quarter. Briefly looking at consolidated net sales for the Q1 by product class. Residential product sales grew to $777,000,000 as compared to $542,000,000 in the prior year, representing a 43% increase despite a strong prior year comparable.

Speaker 3

Contributions from the Ecobee and Chilicon acquisitions and the impact of foreign currency contributed approximately 5% of revenue growth for the quarter. Home standby generator sales made up the majority of the residential product core sales growth, increasing by approximately 50% over the prior year as we continue to expand production capacity for these products. Shipments of Power Cell Energy Storage Systems also grew at a significant rate as compared to the prior year As the U. S. Residential solar plus storage market continues to grow and as we expand our distribution network for our clean energy solutions.

Speaker 3

Partially offsetting this strength, portable generators faced a tough prior year comparison due to the significant outages caused from the severe winter storm impacting several states Q1 of 2022 increased 38 percent to $279,000,000 as compared to $202,000,000 in the prior year quarter. Contributions from the Deepsea and Off Grid acquisitions and the unfavorable impact of foreign currency had a net positive impact of approximately 13% on net sales growth during the quarter. The very strong core revenue growth was broad based, Driven by growth across all regions, highlighted by robust telecom and rental volumes. Net sales for the other products and services category increased 28% to $80,000,000 as compared to $63,000,000 in the Q1 of 2021. Contributions from acquisitions and the impact of foreign currency Strengthened approximately 8% of revenue growth during the quarter.

Speaker 3

Strength in aftermarket service parts continues to be a key driver of the core sales growth in this category due to the heightened power outage activity in recent years and a larger and growing installed base of our products in the field, which is also leading to higher levels of extended warranty revenue. Also contributing to the increase were continued growth in our services offering in certain parts of our business and higher grid services subscription revenue. Gross profit margin was 31.8% compared to 39.9% in the prior year Q1 as challenging supply chain and overall inflationary environment drove higher input costs during the quarter. Specifically, The lagging impact of elevated commodity prices and other component surcharges, higher inbound logistics and expediting costs, increased labor rates and continued plant ramp up costs all pressured margins in the current year quarter. The increasing realization of multiple price actions previously implemented and favorable sales mix partially offset these margin headwinds.

Speaker 3

Operating expenses increased $73,000,000 or 55% as compared to the Q1 of 2021. This increase was primarily driven by the impact of recurring operating expenses from recent acquisitions, together with the increase in intangible amortization expense. In addition, higher employee costs and additional variable expenses from the significant increase sales volumes also contributed to the increase. Operating expenses as a percentage of revenue, excluding intangible amortization, increase approximately 50 basis points as compared to the prior year period due to the impact of recent acquisitions that have a higher operating expense load relative to sales given their start up nature. Adjusted EBITDA before deducting for non controlling interest as defined in our earnings release was 196,000,000 or 17.3 percent of net sales in the Q1 as compared to $214,000,000 or 26.5 percent of net sales in the prior year.

Speaker 3

The decline in EBITDA margin was driven by the previously discussed decline in gross margins. I will now briefly discuss financial results for our 2 reporting segments. Domestic segment sales increased 39 percent to $965,000,000 in the quarter Adjusted EBITDA for the segment was $170,000,000 representing a 17.7% margin as compared to $207,000,000 in the prior year or 29.9 percent of net sales. The lower domestic EBITDA margin in the quarter was primarily due to significantly higher input costs and the impact of acquisitions, partially Increased approximately 27% compared to the prior year. Adjusted EBITDA for the segment before deducting for non controlling interest was $26,000,000 or 15.2 percent of net sales as compared to $7,100,000 or 6.2 percent of net sales in the prior year.

Speaker 3

The significant expansion in international EBITDA margins was primarily due to strong margin contributions from the Deepsea and Off Grid Energy acquisitions and improved overhead absorption and operating leverage on the significantly higher sales volumes. Now switching back to our financial performance for the Q1 of 2022 on a consolidated basis. As disclosed in our earnings release, GAAP net income for the company in the quarter was $114,000,000 as compared to $149,000,000 for the Q1 of 2021. GAAP income taxes during the current year Q1 were $28,600,000 or an effective tax rate of 19.7 percent as compared to $35,400,000 or an effective tax rate of 19.1% in the prior year. The year over year increase in effective tax rate was primarily due to a lower discrete benefit from equity compensation in the current year quarter as compared to the prior year.

Speaker 3

The effective tax rate in the Q1 is seasonally below our full year 2022 guidance due primarily to the timing of vesting of certain equity awards and the related benefit recognized for tax purposes. Diluted net income per share for the company on a GAAP basis was $1.57 in the Q1 of 2022 compared to $2.33 in the prior year. Adjusted net income for the company, as defined in our earnings release, was $135,000,000 in the current year quarter or $2.09 per share. This compares to adjusted net income of $153,000,000 in the prior year or $2.38 per share. As disclosed in our reconciliation schedules in our earnings release, our adjusted net income and EPS for the current year no longer adjust for cash taxes due to the expiration of our significant tax shield that originated from our LBO transaction in 2006.

Speaker 3

Cash flow from operations was negative $10,000,000 as compared to positive $153,000,000 in the prior year Q1. And free cash flow, as defined in our earnings release, was negative $37,000,000 as compared to positive $126,000,000 in the same quarter last year. The decline in free cash flow was primarily due to a much higher working capital investment in the current year quarter. The higher working capital investment was primarily driven by seasonal inventory build for certain product categories, increasing production rates and further increases in inventory levels due to the challenging supply chain environment and extended logistics in transit times. As of March 31, 2022, we had approximately $500,000,000 of liquidity comprised of $206,000,000 of cash on hand $290,000,000 of availability on our ABL revolving credit facility, which matures in May 2026.

Speaker 3

Also, total debt outstanding at the end of the quarter was $1,090,000,000 resulting in a gross debt leverage ratio at the end of the first quarter of only 1.3x on an as reported basis. In addition, recall our term loan doesn't mature until December 2026. We do not have any required principal payments on this facility until the maturity date, and it has a low cost of LIBOR plus 175 basis points. We also have interest rate swap arrangements that fix our interest rate exposure on approximately $500,000,000 of this debt through the maturity date of December 2026. With that, I will now provide further comments on our updated outlook for 2022.

Speaker 3

As Aaron previously discussed, Our strong execution and ability to maneuver through this challenging supply chain environment allowed us to exceed shipment expectations during the Q1 of 2022. In addition, the higher than expected inflationary environment that has manifested over the last couple of months has required us to implement another round of price increases here in the Q2 2022. As a result of these factors, we are raising our top line guidance for full year 2022 as net sales are now expected to increase between 36% to 40% as compared to the prior year on an as reported basis, which includes an approximate 5% to 7% net impact from acquisitions and foreign currency. This is an increase from the previous guidance of net sales growth 32% to 36%. This revenue outlook now assumes shipments of residential products increase at a mid to high 40% rate during 2022, up from prior expectation for a low 40% rate.

Speaker 3

And revenue for C and I products is still expected to grow at a high teens rate compared to the prior year despite larger than expected FX headwinds. Importantly, this guidance So assume the level of power outage activity during the year in line with the longer term baseline average. As a result, consistent with our historical approach, This outlook does not assume the benefit of a major power outage event during the year. Given we are still expect to be producing at full capacity for home standby generators Throughout the year, the upside of a major power outage would be more limited to incremental portable generator shipments during 2022, Meaning any extra lift for home standby generators from a major power outage would most likely result in incremental revenue in 2023. As we ramp capacity and our supply chain for home standby and clean energy products and as incremental price realization We are expecting quarterly revenue to increase sequentially over the next couple of quarters, with net sales in the first half approaching 47% weighted as a percent of full year sales.

Speaker 3

Looking at our gross margin profile, as we have discussed at length, Cost pressures have continued to impact our profitability thus far in 2022. We expect Q1 20 to be the peak of this year over year price cost headwind as price realization has a more meaningful positive impact on our gross margins, Certain inflationary pressures progressively eased for the remainder of the year and as the benefits of our focused cost reduction initiatives further materialize. As a result of these factors, we expect quarterly gross margin percent to increase sequentially throughout 2022, with 4th quarter gross margins expected to recover back to Q1 2021 levels in the 40% range. This would result in gross margin percent for the full year 2022 to be approximately in line with 2021 levels. Looking at operating expenses as a percent of sales, excluding amortization expense, we expect full year 2022 OpEx percent to increase approximately 100 basis points compared to full year 2021, primarily due to the impact of recent acquisitions that have a higher operating expense load relative to sales given their start up nature.

Speaker 3

Adjusted EBITDA margins for the full year 2022 before deducting for non controlling interest are now expected to be approximately 21.5% to 22.5% compared to the previously expected range of approximately 22% to 23%. The additional price increases acquired to offset the higher than expected inflationary pressures are resulting in this modest EBITDA percent dilution from previous expectation. Importantly, The midpoint of this guidance range would result in adjusted EBITDA dollars in line with our previous guidance. From a seasonality perspective, adjusted EBITDA margins are projected to improve significantly as we move through the year, primarily driven by improving gross margins as previously discussed. We expect that the Q1 marked the low point for adjusted EBITDA margins for the year with the progression of sequential improvement approximately level loaded by quarter, Resulting in Q4 2022 adjusted EBITDA margins returning to the 26% range similar to Q1 2021 levels.

Speaker 3

Several additional guidance items that we provide to assist with modeling adjusted earnings per share and free cash flow also require updating For the full year 2022. Our GAAP effective tax rate is now expected to be between 23% to 24% for the remaining quarters of the year, 24% to 25%. This decrease is driven primarily by the higher than expected equity compensation deduction in the Q1 as well as lower state income taxes expected during the full year 2022. For full year 2022, we now expect interest to be approximately $32,000,000 to $44,000,000 an increase from the previous guidance of $41,000,000 to $43,000,000 reflecting higher than previously expected levels of LIBOR rates throughout 2022, while still assuming no additional term loan principal payments during the year. Depreciation expense is now forecast to be approximately 50 $4,000,000 to $56,000,000 in 2022 given our assumed CapEx guidance as compared to $56,000,000 to $58,000,000 previously expected.

Speaker 3

GAAP intangible amortization expense in 2022 is now expected to be at the high end of the previously expected range of $95,000,000 to 100,000,000 stock compensation expense is expected to be between $32,000,000 to $34,000,000 for the year. As a result of these updated guidance items and our Q1 performance, net income as a percent of sales is expected to be similar to our prior guidance. Our full year weighted average diluted share count is expected to be approximately $65,000,000 to $65,500,000 shares. Our capital expenditures are Still it's projected to be approximately 2.5% to 3% of our forecasted net sales for the year. For full year 2022, operating Free cash flow generation is still expected to follow historical seasonality and be disproportionately weighted toward the second half of the year.

Speaker 3

Given the very strong organic sales growth expected during 2022, we still expect the conversion of adjusted net income to free cash flow to be approximately 70 to 80% for the full year as a portion of cash flows will be invested in working capital to support this growth. Finally, this updated 2022 outlook does not reflect potential additional acquisitions or share repurchases that could drive incremental shareholder value. This concludes our prepared remarks. At this time, we'd like to open up the call for questions.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. Your first question comes from the line of Mike Halloran with Baird. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hey, good morning, everyone.

Speaker 2

Good morning, Mike. Good morning. So can we

Speaker 5

just dig into the home standby side a little bit? Obviously, You seem pretty comfortable with the in home consultations or the consultations in general being in line with your expectations, but backlog came down. How much of that is comment on demand coming in a little bit versus your capacity ramping to cover some of that incremental backlog and maybe just what you're seeing in the channel in general from a customer demand perspective at this point, book to bill or anything like that?

Speaker 2

Yes, Mike, I think I'd point to a couple of things that we talked about on the prepared remarks and I'll give you a little bit more color around it beyond that. So The HS backlog HSP backlog did come down as projected. Our demand was in line with our expectations. So IHCs, I think in our prepared remarks, we said they were 3 times the 2020 Q1 levels. So they're Significantly elevated when you look past the Texas event last year, which is just a was a very unique set of circumstances.

Speaker 2

And none of our guidance contemplated that reoccurring nor does any of our guidance contemplate any major events happening this year. So if something does happen, We're going to obviously end the year with even greater demand than we project at this point. On the execution side of things, we did execute better than we thought we would in Q1. So our output levels for home standby were better. We were able to navigate a couple of supply chain challenges that we are facing and continue to face.

Speaker 2

Our Wisconsin factories, as a matter of fact, just continue to outpace Our projections here, we're getting a lot of output out of the factories here. And then obviously in Trenton, South Carolina, we've been aggressively ramping that factory and that output grows Every week that goes by. So continue to lift that up. So the combination of increased output and then the Demand being in line still puts us with an incredible backlog for HSB well above kind of where we would have thought we would be at this point, Especially if you go back to our Investor Day remarks in September, we really weren't planning I'm kind of being where we're at today. So pretty exciting times for the HSP category.

Speaker 5

So a question on pricing then as a follow-up. Maybe a sense for the cumulative amount of pricing you guys have put in over the Arbitrarily 12 months or so. But did I hear you right, Aaron, in the prepared remarks that you suggested that the backlog Was repriced for the current marketplace?

Speaker 2

It will be on June 1, correct.

Speaker 4

Okay.

Speaker 5

And cumulative pricing?

Speaker 2

Cumulative pricing. I think high teens is kind of what we would call over the last close now to like 15 months, 18 months maybe.

Speaker 3

Including this latest round that

Speaker 2

we would be doing. Including this latest round here in April, which is the repricing of the backlog on June 1 effective date.

Speaker 5

Got it. Thanks guys. Appreciate the time. Thanks Mike.

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Tommy Moll with Stephens. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Good morning and thanks for taking my questions.

Speaker 2

Hey, Tommy.

Speaker 6

Aaron, I wanted to stick with the theme of pricing here. What insight do you have on how elastic demand is for home standby? And any insight into what portion of The underlying unit volumes are financed versus purchased outright by

Speaker 4

the homeowner?

Speaker 2

Yes. Those are great questions, Tommy, I'll probably let York maybe tackle the finance piece. I don't know if given that

Speaker 3

I mean, it's still

Speaker 7

a relatively small piece.

Speaker 2

Yes, but it's growing. I mean, it's been growing pretty rapidly,

Speaker 3

Historically, it wasn't a financed purchase, but it's growing dramatically.

Speaker 2

Well, I think as the category expands

Speaker 3

Yes, maybe if it's 10% of the volume, yes, but it's growing.

Speaker 2

It's been growing quite a bit. In terms of elasticity around pricing, Tommy, I think what we would tell you is we have a ton of data metrics that we watch very closely. So everything from inbound consultation requests to obviously the proposal costs that go out on average. Recall that the high teens number that I just quoted for pricing impact on the HSB It's just the product itself. And the product itself is maybe half of the total cost of the project.

Speaker 2

So you have other inputs there around labor and other materials that have also increased of course. But when we look at those project costs, We're able to then look at the close rates that we're seeing and that helps us kind of gauge The impact of each round of pricing. To date, we're not seeing any significant impact On pricing, it's an expensive product to begin with, right? So we used to say it was an all in kind of a $9,000 $10,000 project for Home standby generator. Today, it's maybe an $11,000 project to $11,500 when you look at the average proposal costs.

Speaker 2

That extra $1500, dollars 1,000 to $1500 doesn't seem to be dampening the enthusiasm for demand for the category. I think that Really speaks to the underlying megatrends that are driving the need for resiliency and backlog. And I would point to Again, in our prepared remarks, we talked about IHCs being up 3x over this point last in 2020. So just up dramatically over that environment. So and the pricing would be that kind of mid teens, maybe 20% overall increase in product category price.

Speaker 2

So we feel pretty good that and I would say this, just my last comment on this, Having been around this business as long as I've been around it, we've had to do pricing over the years in the past. And Yes. The category is incredibly durable with respect to the demand and with respect to the impact from pricing. That durability, I'd point you back to the 2,008, 2009 recession. Our overall consumer residential business was up even in the depths of that.

Speaker 2

And I If anybody would have said that, that category would be up, kind of a large ticket, kind of arguably discretionary product tied to residential investment. I think most people would have said you're kind of nuts, but we actually did outperform. I think it speaks to potential durability of the category. And just one last comment. I know I said that was my last comment.

Speaker 2

One last comment. You also have to think of the category because really it's a home improvement project. Yes. Think of it as the impact of the price of that product in relation to the home's value. A lot of home values are way up.

Speaker 2

So when you think about it in the context of as a So anyway, I'll leave it at that, but thanks for that question, Tommy.

Speaker 6

Yes, and I appreciate the context. Aaron, Sticking on the home standby theme, as we think about some of the factors into next year, You mentioned that you've achieved and held a higher level of underlying demand versus the pre pandemic baseline. And so once we get through most or all of your backlog and assuming away any kind of major outage event next year, What are some of the things that you can do to drive that awareness higher or to drive that Underlying demand higher. I mean, I'm thinking largely around customer acquisition spend.

Speaker 2

Sure.

Speaker 6

But there's a lot of focus on units and next Gerry, once it's a normal environment, we'll see if we ever get there. But what is within your control to drive that demand?

Speaker 2

Yes. No, it's a great question and something that we're constantly focused on. I would tell you we test a lot of things. We have hesitated to kind of roll out bigger things right now because obviously demand It's been strong. The backlog is as big as it is.

Speaker 2

So adding to that, we're kind of up against do we frustrate customers with the lead times Versus adding incremental demand. So I would tell you this, what we've been here's an example of a program we're testing. We have accumulated 100 and 100 and 100 of 1000 of unclosed leads over the last several years. Just as the category awareness has grown, All of those leads came in based on prior spend. We know that when we reengage unclosed leads, In particular, after maybe a localized outage or maybe on the back of a promotion regionally or nationally or just a phone call, Just to reengage them and maybe discuss ahead of the hurricane season, the upcoming hurricane season, if they're located in those regions or ahead of the upcoming winter season, if they're in those regions, We found that we can move the needle on close rate.

Speaker 2

So we've stood up internally a group, a team that is outbound calling to those unclosed leads. That is something that as we watch the return on that and we're very Please, so far with the early returns on that pilot program, that's one area that could be scaled, could be scaled quickly, could be scaled without source resources Or we could internalize it. We have a lot of capability when it comes to call centers and the ability to do those types of outbound campaigns. So that's one area. Another area is pulling on promotion levers, which we again largely not done over the last several years.

Speaker 2

I think there's a tremendous opportunity there just because we've been lying low. And you do have consumers who want to wait on those promotions. They find whether they're warranty promotions or if we're talking about free 1st year of monitoring type promotions or whatever the promotion may be. We've done those promotions in the past with to great effect. We have done a lot less of them over the last 2 years.

Speaker 2

So that would be another lever to pull. So there's I think we have a lot of things at our disposal. Look, a lot of people I think are wondering if you're listening to this call or you're watching the company, What's going to happen to demand for home standby in 2023? I mean, if you've learned nothing about following this company over the last decade, it's that we're not sitting around waiting For some exogenous event to happen, we're very active, very proactive and we're constantly pushing the category forward. We always have been, we always will be.

Speaker 2

That's one of the reasons we have such a massive share of the category. We are the category. And when you've got the leader like that we are, It's incumbent on us to continue to move the needle and we have definitely moved the needle to a new place. You mentioned it a new higher a new baseline level. We've seen this happen time and time and time again with this category.

Speaker 2

It's expanding. It continues to expand. And I'm confident that in the future, it will continue to expand. And that's just I think being around it as long as we have and understanding The drivers, the purchasing drivers and seeing what we're seeing in terms of the demand markers out there, we're really encouraged that the category is going to continue to grow.

Operator

Your next question is from Ross Gilardi with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Good morning, guys.

Speaker 3

Hey, Ross. Hey, Ross.

Speaker 8

Maybe we could just expand on Your last comment there, Aaron. So if you take your new guide, you're at $5,100,000,000 to $5,200,000,000 in revenue in 2022. And your 3 year target from your Investor Day, I think, is 5.5% or 5%, 6%. So how are you thinking about that now? I mean, is it realistic to think you'll raise the $5,500,000,000 sometime soon?

Speaker 8

And within the $5,500,000,000 is the home standby business or larger smaller business Larger or smaller business than where it will finish in 2022.

Speaker 3

And if

Speaker 8

we see the HSB come off its highs in the next 1 to 2 years. Do you have enough other growth levers to comfortably get to the 5.5?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think when we laid out the guidance In the Investor Day, Ross, we never said we were going to grow in a straight line. The company continues to we grow. We're a grower and A dynamic grower at that, but we know that there are things that happen in the category sometimes that are Outside of our control, things like what happened in Texas and you don't know if you're going to get a strong hurricane season. Recall that none of our Yes.

Speaker 2

I think in our Investor Day, we really only had one major event in assumed in the 3 year period. So to that effect, We've got a number of things that weren't in the guidance back in the Investor Day, things like ecobee. We don't have additional M and A in the guide. We're seeing some tremendous potential out of our grid services teams. We've got the entire clean energy story that Yes.

Speaker 2

We're just tapping into a whole new market opportunity. It's pretty interesting. I mean we go through so we do strategic planning like every company I'm sure. And we go through a pretty rigorous exercise around kind of our kind of TAM and SAM evaluations in each of the categories and channels that we participate in. The total addressable market that we have available to us today is so much greater than what it was even a couple of years ago that based on not only where we've acquired companies and gotten into new spaces, But where we've continued to grow organically, where some of the spaces we were in before are growing organically, it's just it's actually pretty stunning.

Speaker 2

And I think it's To me, when I think about why is the company growing the way it's growing? It grew 50% last year. Our guide here this morning is to grow between 36% 40% again this year. Yes. There aren't a lot of companies doing that.

Speaker 2

So why is that? I would tell you. I think it's just we Are taking advantage of the opportunities in front of us. We're taking advantage of what we've built and we're leveraging it. We're leveraging it for better effect.

Speaker 2

We're leveraging it into these bigger addressable markets. And I think that that is a big reason why We're experiencing the growth we're experiencing. Will that continue in the future at these rates? I mean, I don't know. We're not here to update guidance this morning from a long term basis.

Speaker 2

But I do know that all the signs that we have and all the success that we've experienced point to much bigger market opportunities Based in particular on the megatrends that we're tapped into strategically here, I think we're just in the right place at the right time with the right products. And I think we're going to continue to build on that, not only the remainder of this year, but in the years going forward.

Speaker 8

Thanks, Aaron. And just HSB dealer inventories, are they normalized Yes. And then just when you talk about production, you seem to be saying more so that you're getting you're squeezing more out of Wisconsin. Is trend naturally hitting The production targets that you had laid out at the Investor Day or is Wisconsin having to Overcompensate for that maybe ramping slower than you thought.

Speaker 2

Yes, it's a great question. Trenton is actually on pace with where we thought they would be. Really the outperformance in Q1 came out of the additional output out of the Wisconsin facilities. We continue to dial in. We've added a lot of automation to all of those facilities.

Speaker 2

With the kinds of production rates we're talking about here with HSB, to be honest, I mean, being around the category as long as I've been around it, they're mind blowing in terms of the daily rates that we're producing, it's but to see our Wisconsin facilities continue. And then burning

Speaker 4

through supply chain.

Speaker 2

And then supply chain challenges, getting around some of that stuff.

Speaker 3

We had fake

Speaker 2

we had maybe hedged a little bit in Q1 for that. So that's the answer to that question. On the dealer inventories, We're seeing days of inventory be a little at the high end of where they've been historically. That happens kind of seasonally about now. Coming out of the winter season, it's been and the spring weather has been I don't know About many of the people on the call here, but if you live anywhere in the upper Midwest, it's a wonderful winter we're having this spring.

Speaker 2

And I think I actually saw snowflakes again yesterday, so May 3. So, it's been difficult to get out and install product with the kind of pacing we want to see. And we're also starting to see some of the limitations of the expansion category. In terms of permitting in some areas, especially some newer areas like California, just really struggling with getting permits issued there. So That's been a hurdle.

Speaker 2

We've called it out a couple of times. It just continues to befuddle me how difficult that is permitting in that particular region. But we need to increase the install pace because output is increasing. So That is a massive area of focus for us. And we're working hard with our existing dealers, but With new dealers in terms of increasing their ability to install products more quickly And they're struggling also by the way with labor.

Speaker 2

That's another struggle point for the channel out there. It is something we're watching closely, but we are seeing install rates move up. We just need to see them move up even faster.

Speaker 3

Yes, and we believe there's buyers for those units that are in the field. So I think that's

Speaker 2

Oh, absolutely. Yes, the IHC.

Speaker 7

Yes, based on the IHC volume.

Speaker 2

Yes, based on IHC volume, we think the demand is there to support what we're seeing in the field in terms of field inventory. And increase the installed bandwidth. Right.

Operator

Your next question is from Philip Shen with ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. First one is on a follow-up on the price increase. My sense is it was around 6% that's effective June 1. Can you talk through if that's right?

Speaker 4

And then also, what is the chance that we could see more price increases in Q3 and Q4. Is that a much is that a meaningfully low probability or is that actually on The radar because of the inflation you see ahead.

Speaker 2

Yes, it's a great question, Phil. I would tell you that you're pretty close on the price increase. It depends on Yes, which SKU and which model, but kind of mid single digits, 5%, 6% somewhere in that range was the last round of pricing And that was across a number of products in the home standby category for sure and then even a little more aggressive in some of the clean energy products you may have your channel checks. In terms of where we'll go with pricing Q3, Q4, I mean, I would tell you right now the guidance contemplates that additional pricing Because we're taking the somewhat extraordinary step of repricing the backlog as of June That's going to read through a lot quicker than previous price increases. So today, we feel like our guidance If you just look at kind of the margin progression here, Q1 is going to be the bottom.

Speaker 2

Q4, we're going to return kind of somewhere like back to where we were kind of in the beginning of 2021. And so that's a pretty big step, right, to get from today to there. And a lot of that is because of that 5% to 6%. Kind of reading through the back through the balance of the year here, alongside some additional cost reductions plus previous pricing actions that we've done also reading through To get the full impact of all the pricing. So we feel pretty good.

Speaker 2

That said, obviously, sitting here like on the last call, It was prior to the Russian Ukrainian conflict. We were actually starting to see some pullback in some of the basic commodities. We're big users of steel, copper and aluminum. We're actually seeing some moderation in those commodity costs. And then that conflict happened and we saw kind of a reengagement of those inflationary trends on those basic commodities as well as just continued and persisting high logistics costs, Which have been really somewhat amazing to watch.

Speaker 2

We were very optimistic around the last call that those costs commodities and logistics would start to moderate through the balance of the year. I'm not as optimistic as I sit here today that they will. And that's reflective of this kind of most recent round of pricing and why we did that.

Speaker 3

Yes, in our latest guide, we've got steel prices at their higher levels here in Copper. No, copper has actually moderated since then, but

Speaker 2

It has actually. It's

Speaker 3

pulled back. Yes. And we are starting to see the beginnings of Some of the logistics costs moderate, so that will be helpful. But yes, If costs continue to rise from like, let's say, today's levels, then it's something we would have to evaluate. Right.

Speaker 3

But I think the team was able to react very quickly to these Higher inflationary pressures that we're seeing today.

Speaker 2

And given the elasticity comments I made prior, it doesn't worry us if we have to do that. The The thing that we probably could have done to help ourselves earlier is to reprice the backlog more fully earlier on. And that's an extraordinary step. We try to avoid doing that because we know that our distribution partners oftentimes they've already bid out a job. They already have a contracted arrangement with end customers.

Speaker 2

So repricing the backlog is effectively just reducing their economics on a project or they have to go back to their end customer and also increase price, which different channel partners approach that differently. But that's a pretty painful step and we understand that. But that's something that we it doesn't worry. If we have to do that, we will do that again.

Speaker 4

Okay. Thanks guys. In terms of capacity, Aaron, you just talked through hitting your Q2 'twenty two double, double and you've talked through the strong demand, the new baseline level. What else do you need to see before you become well, what else do you need to see for the next The past expansion to become official. Like where are you in that process?

Speaker 4

We've talked it through over the past few quarters here And you've been waiting for something. What is that something and how close are we? And if we are looking at Another leg of expansion. Where is it? And to what degree can you sketch it out?

Speaker 4

Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, Phil. So and We've been in the process for evaluating either an expansion in our existing facility in Trenton or perhaps Another facility for home standby production in particular. We haven't announced location yet or what our plans are there. We did take the extraordinary step of ordering some of the additional tooling we'll need to take another leg up in capacity to increase capacity further there because we know the lead times are long.

Speaker 2

That tooling right now would hit sometime in the Q1 of next year in 2023. Where we deliver that tooling to and Where we take that production capacity to is the question. In terms of what do we need to see, I think we've already seen it. We've seen A new and higher baseline for the category. We know that we want to have for ourselves, we need to build in some upside here In terms of the expansion capacity, if you will, we need some excess capacity there to handle where demand surges happen.

Speaker 2

We call it surge capacity. Today, we think we have we've been in pretty good shape not knowing what's going to happen in the back half of the year for the demand curve. Again, our all of our guidance here does not assume, even though contrary to what the latest hurricane forecasts are, Does not assume that we get a major event. So if we do see an active hurricane season, obviously, we'll want to move faster not slower on those capacity expansion plans. But in the meantime, we're going to have to figure out where we deliver this tooling and we're going to have to figure out what that kind of longer term capacity for HSB looks like.

Speaker 2

We do have some similar challenges on the C and I side of our business, which has been growing at a very similar clip. We know that we need to add capacity there and are also in The current evaluation phase of do we add another facility? Do we expand existing facilities? What do we do to address that As that category builds out, we've been in the meantime filling up our facility south of the border outside of Mexico City. We have a brand new beautiful facility down there that we built A couple of years ago, mainly for the Latin American markets, and it was going to give us really nice long term growth capacity down there.

Speaker 2

We've just filled it up very quickly with Our capacity each year in the U. S. And Canada. So we're starting to get really tight on capacity in C and I. So that's another area.

Speaker 2

And then Clean energy is another area where we have to evaluate capacity needs for the longer term. So that is a very active process across the entire business. When you grow 50% 1 year and 36% to 40% the next year, figuring out what that footprint is going to be to accommodate that growth and growth in the future, It's almost an everyday discussion.

Operator

Your next question is from Jeff Hammond with KeyBanc. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Hey, guys. Good morning. Hey, Jeff. So I

Speaker 9

know you covered some on kind of price cost, but I just want to kind of level set on your confidence And the second half kind of margin ramp. And just as it relates to kind of the startup freight and component surcharges, if you need some reprieve there to kind of hit that margin ramp? Thanks.

Speaker 3

Yes, Jeff, this is York. Yes, I mean, looking at Our commentary, gross margins are expected to go up, let's say, roughly 8% from Q1 to Q4. I'd say about half of that will just be the realization of the pricing that we've just been talking about at length here over the call. The other half is the cost inputs that you just mentioned. If you think about like where steel was at its peak, it is actually off from its Peak.

Speaker 3

So relative to what we're experiencing in Q1, which was the peak and as that progresses through the year, Steel should come off a bit. We are starting to see the beginnings of lower inbound freight costs. We don't believe we'll need to expedite as much as we do feel like we brought in a good amount of safety stock here over the last couple of quarters. So We just believe that inbound logistics costs should moderate a bit. As we ramp, we'll start absorbing, in Particularly our Trenton plant better.

Speaker 3

And then we do have line of sight on focused Bill of material cost reductions on home standby, telecom product, etcetera. So we feel like we have got good line of sight On some of the easing input costs to execute on that gross margin improvement. As I mentioned before, The guidance does assume steel costs at these higher levels that ramped up after the Russian Ukraine invasion And so we feel like from a future commodity standpoint, we think we've embedded the current environment End of the guide. So good line of sight to all the pieces to get to give that 8% increase in gross margin.

Speaker 9

Okay, great. And then I don't know if I missed it. Can you give us the updated lead time on home standby? And then just Any updates on kind of just the net metering noise and kind of this trade circumvention kind of having any impact on your clean energy businesses?

Speaker 2

Yes. No, it's a great question there, Jeff. About 20 weeks on HSP today on inbound orders. So Still pretty extended, pretty long. Backlog is still well north of $1,000,000,000 on HSB.

Speaker 2

But We're continuing to make progress there as we ramp production. In terms of on the Clean Energy business, the impacts to with the net metering discussions that have been going on kind of coast to coast, right, from California to Florida. We've seen the Florida thing play out. The Governor there veto the potential rule changes around net metering, the curtailment of net metering. California is reevaluating the proposed draft rulemaking there by the PUC.

Speaker 2

We don't see actually when you think about it, let's just take California as an example. We don't have a dramatic penetration in the state of California. So really probably Kind of a nonevent for us. In fact, I would say probably that kind of a situation, net metering Being curtailed and by the way that's kind of the inevitable situation around net metering. As you get more homes that have solar and are producing their own power on-site.

Speaker 2

Selling that back to utilities at retail rates is untenable economically. I mean, it just doesn't work longer term. So but there needs to be a gradual kind of glide path. We've talked about this. We've engaged regulators on this.

Speaker 2

You can't have this abrupt Kind of pulling the punch bowl away kind of situation. I think that's detrimental to the industry. But in what's being proposed in California, That would if they did pull the punch bowl away and net metering was curtailed dramatically there as being as proposed, Storage is the answer. So we've actually seen marked increase in interest in storage systems as a result. And I think inevitably that is what Is going to drive storage attachment rates even higher.

Speaker 2

We're kind of in that 20% to 25% range right now on storage attachment rates. And then the trade circumvention discussion, really that we're talking to our channel partners. They're not concerned about it in terms of impacting resi solar, maybe more on the utility scale solar projects, those bigger projects, some of the suppliers of panels to those types of projects are maybe Going to be the ones that are caught up first in this evaluation or this investigation. On the residential side, frankly, there are other panel providers That might push panel prices up a bit. But again, looking at the total cost of these projects, not dramatically so in terms of the impact To the projects, they just don't think there'll be any real demand destruction on the back of that at the residential level.

Speaker 2

So no major concerns there at least today based on our discussions with channel partners.

Operator

Your next question is from Brian Drab with William Blair. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Hi, good morning. This is Blake Keating on for Brian.

Speaker 3

Hey, Blake.

Speaker 10

Appreciate you taking my question. I'll just ask a quick one here since it's after the hour. Have the 2 lockdowns in China affected any of your suppliers there Supply Chain Network overall. And do you see that as a potential risk moving forward if they continue to be under lockdown?

Speaker 2

Yes, it's a great question, Blake. It's not helpful. Just broadly, we have supply chain there in that part of the world and The lockdowns have created just another yet another kind of struggle or challenge for our operational teams. So we're working around it. I do think that York may have made this comment before relative to our current working capital situation.

Speaker 2

We're feeling like we got a lot of inventory sitting here that we are preparing for season. So You can kind of think of it as like a little extra safety stock right now, which is helping us buffer the impact of that. But we do have some instances where we're having to expedite logistics again. We're having to fly some products over the top of things to get here faster because of the lockdowns where we can't load a ship or We can't get something here on a timely basis. So if those lockdowns extend, could that impact us?

Speaker 2

I think like anything probably would have Some kind of an impact. I do think that we've done a really nice job over the last couple of years, broadening our supply chain, Meaning, we have fewer single sources of supply now than we've ever had for some of our critical categories like home standby. So we do have other options. We're not as concentrated on supply. So that I think just de risks the category a bit And makes any one disruption that much less impactful.

Speaker 2

So I feel like we're in a better shape to weather that.

Speaker 10

Got it. Thank you. I'll pass it along.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Mike.

Operator

Your next question is from Mark Strouse with JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Mark, your line is open.

Speaker 11

Sorry about that. Can you hear me now?

Speaker 3

I hear you, Mark. Yes.

Speaker 1

We're good.

Speaker 11

Yes. Sorry, guys. I was on mute. Thanks for taking my questions. Good morning.

Speaker 11

Most of them have been answered. I did want to talk About the new Chillicon product though, I'm sorry if I missed that, but are the new micros, are they still on track for introduction later this quarter?

Speaker 2

They are. Yes, we're going to be shipping our 1st beta sites here late in Q2 And we expect to ramp full production and full shipment volumes here in the second half. I mean, we still had a pretty modest part of our clean energy guide for the year that was associated with Power Micro. That hasn't changed at all. We know that that's going to be a slower ramp than probably what our storage ramp was Originally, but I'll say this.

Speaker 2

Every time we engage with a channel partner The in kind of the renewable space, the solar space, they're very excited to have us there as a potential supplier. We know that we've got we've got to prove ourselves there, but we like where the opportunities could take us. That could be One of the more meaningful things, one of the more meaningful product launches here not only for clean energy, but maybe for this company in the years ahead if we look forward, We feel really bullish about where that category is going.

Speaker 11

Great. Okay. That's it for me. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Mark.

Operator

Your next question is from Jerry Revich with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Speaker 12

Yes. Hi. Good morning, everyone.

Speaker 2

Hey, Jerry. Aaron,

Speaker 12

I'm wondering if you could just talk about given the initiatives that you spoke about earlier on the call in terms of growing database and just improvement in conversion rates today versus 5 years ago, 10 years ago. How do you feel about the peak to trough move in residential standby demand in this cycle compared to what feels like a 30% magic number we've seen post Katrina and Rita and Sandy, etcetera. How are you thinking about that within the context of the way you're positioned today? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes, Jerry, that's a really interesting question One that we continue to ponder here as well. I would tell you that when you think about Sandy and even Rita and some of the back kind of go back More than a decade ago. I mean that's the category was in a very different place in terms of awareness, in terms of distribution, in terms of our brand recognition, Maybe even in terms of kind of a consumer's view on the need for backup power, right? Just given Everything that's transpired in the last decade, outages are more frequent, outages are lasting longer, people are spending more time in their homes. The grid is in a different spot.

Speaker 2

I think we're that much more dependent on a continuous source power in our homes and everything that we do. So I don't know if I'm ready to make a comment that it will be In terms of numerically how it will differ, but I think the category there's no question that category is in a completely different place. Awareness levels around the products Are much, much higher today than they've ever been. So I feel like that it's not back 10 years ago, This was a category that was dependent on the episodic nature of things outside of our control. I do not feel that that's the case today.

Speaker 2

I feel like we have a lot more levers to pull. We have a lot more buttons to push and we have a lot more ways Stimulate demand and there's a lot more need in the marketplace for that.

Speaker 3

We'll just think about grid services and just Having an ROI to the generator where in the past it didn't.

Speaker 2

It's a whole another angle to this. We're starting to see interest in home standby generators as part of these grid services bids and That would be something we wouldn't have had back then. I'm sure. I mean, that's a great example, York.

Speaker 12

And I'm wondering, can you just expand on that last point? How close are we to seeing these contracts moving forward as part of grid services you had in California in alignment with Power Cell and Utilities. I'm wondering if we're close to anything similar for the home standby category in utilities.

Speaker 2

Yes. That's an area we're watching very closely as well. Grid Services, in our prepared remarks, we said we've gotten We've won a number of deals. I mean in Q1, our grid services team, I think it was 8 or 9, really kind of important deals for us that Yes, some small, some large that we don't press release every one of them. I know others in our market do because I think they have nothing else to talk about.

Speaker 2

So you talk about that which It's the only thing you can talk about. But for us, it's just one more thing. We're marching forward here, building that out. It's given us a lot of confidence about the future opportunities there, not only just kind of how we think about the balance of this year, but how we exit this year and going forward with grid services. And it's a mix of products.

Speaker 2

It's not just home standby. It's everything from power cells Thermostats, we talked about ecobee in some of the prepared remarks, but a lot of interest in thermostats. And there's a reason for that because utilities stand that the cost of a home standby, the cost of a power cell, those are pretty expensive products. They're impactful, of course, on the grid, But thermostats are more affordable. And when you talk about low and moderate income households in particular, utilities have to solve for all of their ratepayers.

Speaker 2

They have to solve this problem across their entire rate paying base. And so not every one of those rate payers is going to be able to put in a battery, a storage system or a home standby generator. So in order to really address all of the rate payers, thermostats are a great way to do that. And so I've been actually pleasantly surprised by the number of high quality conversations. I was down in Houston last week talking to a couple of larger utility partners down there and just the enthusiasm they have for the full suite of products that we offer, but also around thermostats in particular.

Speaker 2

I think it's just I think it's one of the many areas of traction that we're seeing, but one that I think longer term just makes a lot of sense because Yes. You can deliver a lot of value across the entire rate paying base for not a lot of investment. And I think That really is exciting for many of those grid operators and utility companies.

Operator

Your next question is from Maheep Mandloi with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hey, good morning and thanks for taking the questions as well. Most of my questions have been answered. Maybe just like on the HSB backlog, if Could help us understand how much is coming from California and Texas and just maybe Thinking about the growth in those markets beyond 2022, should we expect like a similar run rate you see in your core backup generated markets or how what are you seeing in the last year in that market? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. No, great questions, Maheep. Thanks. Yes. We don't break out backlog traditionally by region or by state.

Speaker 2

But obviously, the demand curve we did call out last year And last quarters last year that we were seeing obviously tremendous interest from those two markets specifically as you mentioned California and Texas. We've seen a lot of distribution growth in those markets, which would lead to additional growth opportunities in the future. I would just point to one thing that I did mention. I think I answered it kind of Indirectly and another question about kind of the field inventories, but California in particular the permitting process there Has continued to kind of be challenging. It slowed the growth of that market in my opinion in terms of what we install, the rate at which we can install.

Speaker 2

Interest level in the category remains very high though. When we look at IHCs, our in home consultations kind of We look at them historically visavis kind of the 2020 level. That's something that we still see Elevated levels in Texas and California for sure in terms of interest in the category. And again, I just mentioned on the last question, Q and A question I took that we were down in Houston last week. We talked to a number of the participants down there in the market and they continue to see very strong demand around the products.

Speaker 2

I think there are a lot of homeowners who maybe were disenfranchised when they Tried to get a quote a year ago in the height of the demand surge coming off of the Texas winter event. They were a little bit disenfranchised by either the lead times or Just even the time to get an in home consultation done. And so they're coming back around this year and they're starting to think about, okay, I want to be ready for next winter, meaning the winter of 2022. And so they're actually starting to see and talk to customers who were not in the funnel. They just kind of self selected out because It was just too long to wait.

Speaker 2

And so they're coming back in and revisiting it. So I feel like those markets are going to be continue to be growth markets in the future and an important part of the overall story for home standby growth as we see the penetration rate deepen.

Speaker 7

Thanks.

Operator

Your final question is from Kash Harrison with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Speaker 13

Good morning, everybody. Thank you for taking my questions and all the details. So circling back to the commentary around home consultations being 3x above 2020 levels, This might be perhaps a simplistic way to think about things. But I mean, should we effectively just think about the normalized baseline level, ex excess backlog is more or less being 3x your U. S.

Speaker 13

Residential revenues Back in Q1 2020 since presumably Power Cell and Ecobee weren't really contributing that much to revenues back then?

Speaker 2

That's an interesting thought. I mean, it's an interesting question. I would tell you that you'd have to take into consideration where our close rate's at. That's a part of that equation. And recall that IHCs are not our full that's not everything we do, right?

Speaker 2

So We think it's representative or a proxy for the HSB market, but that just is a portion of what we do. So there are other channel partners there. We've also seen growth outside the U. S. Markets where we're more established with IHCs.

Speaker 2

We didn't talk dramatically about that this time, but we continue to see interest in the product category growing outside of North America. But it's a I have to run the numbers. I have to unpack kind of the HSB growth as we've seen it and kind of the backlog there and where we're at if we took that away. I'm not sure that I could say with 100% certainty that the go forward rate baseline rate is 3x. I'd have to think more about that.

Speaker 2

It's an interesting question though.

Speaker 3

You have to forecast future close rates and then what is the storm season this year and like there's a lot of

Speaker 2

But if you're thinking about baseline, which I think I think it's an interesting question, but there's a lot that goes into that, but it is it's certainly going to be higher. That's what we always talk about this new and higher baseline level that gets created after these kinds of events or cycles. And we've seen them historically over the last nearly 30 years. We kind of grow. We infill with new distribution.

Speaker 2

We infill with new levels of awareness and then the brand recognition and everything that goes into that. And invariably, it holds those higher baseline levels. It's really quite something to see.

Speaker 3

And then you've got our clean energy business growing rapidly and then you've got our global C and I business that is doing very well on top of all.

Speaker 2

Right. So

Speaker 7

those would be accretive. Got to put all pieces together, yes.

Speaker 2

That would be accretive.

Speaker 13

That's helpful. Thank you. And then just as my follow-up, I'm trying I was wondering if you could just maybe circle back to the relationship between the HSB lead times and backlog. You mentioned lead times are now around 20 weeks from 27 to 30 at year end, but you still have over $1,000,000,000 in backlog and you expect to carry some of that into 2023. And so I I was wondering if you could just maybe remind us what you consider normal lead times to be.

Speaker 13

And then are there like seasonal market dynamics that Would stop the reduction in lead times from being linear, meaning that the time of the next call, you wouldn't just shave off another 7 to 10 weeks and then another 7 to 10 weeks after that. I'm just trying to better understand how to think about the relationship of how the lead times might evolve over the next few quarters and then how the backlog might evolve with those lead times. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. That's a great question, Kash, and maybe a good place to end the call today. Obviously, the HSP backlog, I think the thing that for us, we're going to have a meaningful backlog in HSP when we exit this year. That has become clear to us given the demand has remained robust in line with our expectations in Q1, but was elevated off from Q4 where we thought it was going to be coming into this year. That pushed kind of the original assumption when we sat at our Investor Day was that we would be back down to Our historical lead times, which are 0 to 2 weeks, that was part of your question, what are historical lead times, 0 to 2 weeks.

Speaker 2

It's almost like we inventory for the product. Want to have product available so that when there are demand surges we can handle it. We don't foresee ourselves getting back to that level by the end of this year. In fact, we'll be quite a bit lead times will remain fairly elevated. They won't be at 20 weeks, but they won't be back at 0 to 2 weeks.

Speaker 2

And remember that because we're also ramping production here each week of backlog we're talking about is a bigger number because we're producing a lot more per week. So we're accelerating and so that week each week of backlog is actually a bigger number. So the quantum is growing As we grow our output here. So and that's without by the way our assumption does not include a major event. So it includes No major event.

Speaker 2

So a muted hurricane season, which is not what's with that's not what's projected. So we are, I guess maybe being a bit conservative there. I don't know. We've always guided without storms whether that's right or wrong. We could debate that for another hour on this call.

Speaker 2

But it's that's the way we guide. And so there's like a free option embedded in the stock that way, if you want to think of it that way, is that if you do get a storm season that's in line with what experts are saying, We're going to see more demand. I don't know that we'll be able to satisfy much more of that demand this year because it'll be a 2023 story more so than anything. Do have portable gens and other things. We're in pretty good shape there.

Speaker 2

From an inventory standpoint, we'll be able to capitalize on that if there were outages that were major outages this year. But we're going to have a sizable backlog going on next year, and that's the big I think that's where we'll probably leave it at here for this call. So but great question.

Operator

And that concludes the question and answer session. Now I'll hand the conference back to Mr. Harris for final comments.

Speaker 1

We want to thank everyone for joining us this morning. We look forward to discussing our Q2 2022 earnings results with you in early August. Thank you again and goodbye.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect. Have a good day.

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