Paycom Software Q2 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • 31% YoY revenue growth in Q2 to $316.9 million, driven by 98% recurring revenue and strong new business sales.
  • Adjusted EBITDA of $119.6 million (37.7% margin) and adjusted gross margin of 84.6%, with full-year targets of ~85% gross margin and 40% EBITDA margin.
  • Raised full-year 2022 guidance to $1.354–1.356 billion in revenue (28% growth) and $546–548 million in adjusted EBITDA (40% margin).
  • Betty self-service payroll now adopted by ~13,000 clients (~40% of base), boosting employee usage, client ROI and average revenue per client.
  • Strong liquidity with $279 million in cash, expanded credit lines ($650 million revolver, $750 million term loan) and $100 million of Q2 share repurchases ( $550 million remaining).
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Earnings Conference Call
Paycom Software Q2 2022
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There are 18 speakers on the call.

Operator

Afternoon. Thank you for attending today's Paycom Software Second Quarter 2022 Quarterly Results Conference Call. My name is Bethany, and I will be your moderator for today's call. All lines will be muted during the presentation portion of the call with an opportunity for questions and answers at the end. I would now like to pass the conference over to our host, James Sanford, Head of Investor Relations.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, and welcome to Paycom's Q2 2022 earnings conference call. Certain statements made on this call that are not historical facts, including those related to our future plans, objectives and expected performance, are forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward looking statements represent our outlook only as of date of this conference call. While we believe any forward looking statements made on this call are reasonable, actual results may differ materially because the statements are based on our current expectations and subject to risks and uncertainties. These risks and uncertainties are discussed in our filings with the SEC, including our most recent annual report on Form 10 ks.

Speaker 1

You should refer to and consider these factors when relying on such forward looking information. Any forward looking statement made speaks only as of the date on which it is made, and we do not undertake and expressly disclaim any obligation to update or alter our Also during today's call, we will refer to certain non GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA, non GAAP net income, adjusted gross profit, adjusted gross margin and certain adjusted expenses. We use these non GAAP financial measures to review and assess our performance and for planning purposes. A reconciliation schedule showing GAAP versus non GAAP results is included in the press release that we issued after the close of the market today and is available on our website at investors. Paycom.com.

Speaker 1

I will now turn the call over to Chad Richison, Paycom's President and Chief Executive Officer. Chad?

Speaker 2

Thanks, James, and thank you to everyone joining our call today. We had another very strong quarter. I'll spend a few minutes on the highlights and then turn it over to Craig to review our financials and our guidance, and then we'll take questions. Our Q2 2022 revenue of approximately $317,000,000 came in very strong, up 31% year over year, with continued strength in recurring revenue from new business sales. We continue to see strong demand for self-service payroll and automation of Human Capital Management as more companies and their employees embrace innovative solutions like Betty.

Speaker 2

We have been leading the employee usage initiative for years and our efforts are paying off. When data interactions on our platform are performed by employees, Our clients realize the ROI that self-service promises. At the core of our employee usage strategy is Bette, which we believe is how businesses and their If any business is doing the employees payroll for them, that business is doing both itself and its employees a disservice. The only way a company wins at payroll is by having the employees do it themselves. It makes no sense in the year 2022 for any company to continue to transfer data inefficiently through multiple systems or manual archaic processes.

Speaker 2

Betty is the future of payroll and already over 13,000 clients or nearly 40% of our client base have embraced Betty. That's great progress. But as I've said, I expect all clients will eventually deploy vetting in order to finally experience the correct way to do payroll. We are reinforcing this message through our marketing efforts. Our recently launched new ad campaign calls on businesses and their employees to eliminate unnecessary activities and the early feedback has been very positive.

Speaker 2

Overall, our marketing plan continues to deliver strong demo leads and brand recognition across our target market range. In particular, we continue to see strong leads from larger clients, which is driving average Revenue per client higher and an important contributor to our strong growth. On the sales front, our 54 outside sales team continued to perform well, Driving deeper penetration and market share gains into our target geographies. While we estimate we have roughly half of the country covered geographically, We only have approximately 5% of a very large and growing TAM.

Speaker 3

We have a

Speaker 2

long runway for rapid growth for many years to come. To sum up, we finished the first half of twenty twenty two with very strong financial results. With our expectation for the second half of the year, 2022 has become a year of growth acceleration and margin expansion. Our differentiated product strategy focused on employee usage and self-service payroll is resonating with prospects and we are on boarding new clients at a very strong pace. I want to thank our employees for making this quarter another milestone growth quarter.

Speaker 2

With that, I'll turn the call over to Craig for a review of our financials and guidance. Craig? Thanks, Chad.

Speaker 3

Before I review our Q2 and our outlook for the Q3 and full year 2022, I would like to remind everyone that my comments related to certain financial measures

Speaker 4

will be

Speaker 3

on a non GAAP basis. 2nd quarter 2022 results were excellent with total revenues of $316,900,000 representing growth of 31% over the comparable prior year period. In Q2, we had very strong recurring revenue growth predominantly from new client additions over the past year. Our revenue growth continues to be driven by strong demand for easy to use employee focused solutions and our success in attracting new business wins. Within total revenues, recurring revenue was 311 $500,000 for the 2nd quarter, representing 98% of total revenues for the quarter and growing 31% from the comparable prior year period.

Speaker 3

Total adjusted gross profit for the 2nd quarter was $268,200,000 representing an adjusted gross margin of 84.6 percent and we are on target to achieve strong full year adjusted gross margin of approximately 85%. Adjusted sales and marketing expense for the Q2 of 2022 was $82,700,000 or 26.1 percent of revenues compared to 26.6 percent of revenues in the prior year period. We continue to see strong return on investment from our advertising spend and plan to continue to invest aggressively and marketing and advertising through the remainder of 2022. Adjusted R and D expense was $33,900,000 in the Q2 of 2022 were 10.7 percent of total revenues. Adjusted total R and D costs, including the capitalized portion, were $48,100,000 in the 2nd quarter compared to $38,000,000 in the prior year period.

Speaker 3

We will continue to invest in innovation in our world class products. Adjusted EBITDA was $119,600,000 in the Q2 of 2022 or 37.7 percent of total revenues compared to $87,000,000 in the prior year or 35.9 percent of total revenues. Our GAAP net income for the 2nd quarter was $57,400,000 or $0.99 per diluted share versus $52,300,000 or $0.90 per diluted share in the prior year period based on approximately 58,000,000 shares. Non GAAP net income for the Q2 of 2022 was $73,000,000 or $1.26 per diluted share versus $56,500,000 or $0.97 per diluted share in the prior year period. For 2022, we Our full year effective income tax rate to be approximately 27% on a GAAP basis.

Speaker 3

Turning to the balance sheet. We ended the quarter with cash and cash equivalents of approximately 279,000,000 and total debt of $29,000,000 The average daily balance of funds held on behalf of clients was approximately $2,000,000,000 in the Q2 of 2022. We recently increased our liquidity through an expanded revolving line of credit of $650,000,000 and a delayed draw term loan that allows us to borrow up to an additional $750,000,000 as needed. Potential uses of proceeds include, but are not limited to, General corporate purposes, capital expenditures and stock buybacks. During the Q2 of 2022, We took advantage of a dislocation in the stock market and repurchased approximately 360,000 shares for a total of roughly $100,000,000 Through June 30, 2022, Paycom has repurchased nearly 4,650,000 shares since 2016 for a total of nearly $588,000,000 and we currently have $550,000,000 remaining in our buyback program.

Speaker 3

Now let me turn to guidance. We are raising our full year 2022 guidance as a result of very strong second quarter financial performance and the continued strength of demand trends. We now expect revenue in the range of $1,354,000,000 to 1,356,000,000 were 28% year over year growth at the midpoint of the range. We expect adjusted EBITDA in the range of $546,000,000 to $548,000,000 representing an adjusted EBITDA margin of 40% at the midpoint of the range. For the Q3 of 2022, We expect total revenues in the range of $327,000,000 to $329,000,000 representing a growth rate over the comparable prior year period of approximately 28% at the midpoint of the range.

Speaker 3

We expect adjusted EBITDA for the 3rd quarter in the range of $117,000,000 to $119,000,000 representing adjusted EBITDA margin of 36% at the midpoint of the range. With only 5% share of a growing TAM, we have a long runway for continued high margin revenue growth for years to come. Our differentiated solutions and go to market strategy, particularly with Betty, are working well and driving new client growth and higher revenue per Combining our raised 2022 guidance for revenue growth with adjusted EBITDA margin guidance implies we are well on our way to deliver a material improvement over the rule of 65 we achieved in 2021. With that, we will open the line for questions. Operator?

Operator

Thank As a reminder, if you're using a speakerphone, please remember to pick up your handset before asking your question. Please limit your questions to 1 per analyst and one follow-up. We will pause here briefly as questions are registered. Our first question comes from the line of Raimo Lenschow with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Thank you. Congratulations from my end. Two quick questions. Chad, can you talk a little bit about what you're seeing there? Obviously, macro is a big question for everyone on everyone's mind.

Speaker 4

So the big question for everyone on everyone's mind, employment data is still very, very strong, but like anything that you're seeing out there in terms of And demand changes or different behavior from customers, that's my first question. And my second question is, Greg, for you. And obviously, we have quite a bit of rate changes over the last quarter. Can you just remind us how that feeds into your numbers going forward? Thank you And congrats again.

Speaker 2

You bet. Thank you, Raimo. I'll take the first. No, we really aren't seeing much of a change It's not as difficult maybe to hire people as it was 6 months ago, but It's still very much an employee's market and I would say we're nowhere back in no way back to where we were in 20 where it was more of an equally yoked employer employee market. So there's still a lot of jobs out there unfilled and it's still a very We're still all in a somewhat of a fight for talent.

Speaker 3

Yes, Raimo. And on the interest rate question, For every 25 basis points that interest the Fed funds rate goes up, we get about $5,000,000 of annualized Interest income, but it's typically layered in. So we saw 1 in May and then June July, We saw some. So those will layer in, some in Q3 and then some in Q4 as well.

Speaker 4

Okay. Thank you. Congrats again.

Speaker 5

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Samad Samana with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hey, good afternoon and it's great to see the strong results. Maybe first one, Chad, just In terms of deal cycles, are you seeing a similar close rates or similar lengths in terms of the typical Deal cycle, are you seeing any changes in terms of the level of approval it needs to go to? What are you seeing as far as actually closing deals goes?

Speaker 2

Yes, no changes there from what we've been seeing. As far as the timeline and our close percentages, I would say if anything, they're going up. We're We're definitely getting more interest in the first calls that we have and being able to move those into second calls. So we're having more success with that. But all in all, our close ratios remain very strong and very similar to what they've been in the past.

Speaker 6

Great. And maybe just on the newer sales offices, any I know it's We're still early in terms of the ramp, but where are we on the staffing of those and maybe the productivity compared to maybe prior new office openings for

Speaker 2

I would say the staffing is going to be similar. They're more productive today. Today's new reps are more productive Than what yesteryear's reps would have been. But as far as the number of reps, that's very similar. The progression to maturity of any one of our new offices is going to start off with 3 or so reps And then we'll continue to add reps over the course of a 2 year period.

Speaker 2

Of course, at some point, they're fully staffed with 8 And they all have both pipelines and backlogs. And so after 2 years, Those cities carry the same quota as what we would have had in an existing city.

Speaker 6

Okay. Okay, great. Thanks again for taking my questions and great to see the good numbers.

Speaker 7

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brad Rehbach with Stifel. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

That's great. Thanks very much. Chad, can you remind us historically what type of impact Employment levels that your customers have has on your overall growth rate? Yes, I mean, next year will be our 25th year and with the Exception of the 2 beginning months of the pandemic, normal gyrations in unemployment haven't really Impacted us. We've gone through multiple cycles and now the pandemic is a little different because you had an overnight Retreat of an employee base, which was a little bit different.

Speaker 2

But I would say we're very solid in regards Unemployment, that said, I mean, if unemployment doubles overnight, it would be hard for me to believe it wouldn't have some impact On our current client base. But as we sit here today, unemployment numbers still remain reasonable With where they're at right now, I mean, you might even say they're still fairly low. And then you still have quite a bit of open jobs out there With over 10,000,000 I mean at some point you have to start thinking, does everybody that want a job already have one? That's great. Thanks very much.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, Mr. Reebok. Our next question comes from the line of Mark Marcon with Baird. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hey, Chad and Craig. Let me add my congratulations. Terrific results. Wondering, can you talk a little bit about The strong leads that you're getting, particularly from larger clients, can you talk a little bit about what sort of Size difference you're seeing, how big are some of the companies that are now coming into the pipeline? And to what How big is the average client now relative to say a year ago?

Speaker 2

Well, it continues to go up because As you remember, it was about a year ago, maybe a little longer that we increased our range up to 10,000. And Obviously, it's going to continue to go up a little bit. I wouldn't say that there's been a massive shift for us to go a whole lot higher than that Right now, so what I would say is, is there's been more within that range, not necessarily Quadrupled that range, but we continue to engage well above our target range and we're having a lot of success. A lot of the leads we're getting right now are still coming from employees of companies that have used us elsewhere, have that Single easy to use experience and are really wanting to have that same experience at the next company they went to. So we're still having a lot of success and continuing to bring in strong demo leads through both that, which I'll say is indirect, As well as through our advertising and marketing efforts, which are still yielding great results for us.

Speaker 8

That's great. And then With regards to the float balances, what was the effective yield that you were able to generate Off of the last 3 months?

Speaker 3

Yes. Mark, we haven't disclosed what yield it is, but I mean we're investing still Fairly short term, we have commercial papers, some overnight money markets as well. So kind of a mix of that And we're not chasing yield, but we're paying attention to it.

Speaker 8

Okay. Yes. It's obviously getting more and more promising. Thank you.

Speaker 4

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, Mr. Marcon. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Schwartz with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. I'll let you Congratulations again on these terrific results. One for you, Chad, one for Craig. Chad, The commentary that on the deal closures, you're seeing higher ASPs, are you seeing similar trends in your lead And then the question I wanted to ask Craig, with the guidance, you're retaining the same EBITDA margin, But clearly, we know that inflationary factors have gotten worse here, throughout the quarter. So I'm I'm just wondering, are you able to maintain that margin because of the efficiencies of the business that you're able to overcome?

Speaker 9

Or is that Are you holding back any sort of spend that maybe you had planned in the second half of the year? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Sure. So on the first, I mean, definitely, the leads are also coming With larger clients, but also we still continue to target to do targeted prospecting. That's always been our bread and butter. We remain very focused on that. That's more of our gentle pressure relentlessly applied strategy that we deploy Through target marketing efforts, but there's no doubt that the leads continue to generate larger opportunities for us.

Speaker 3

Yes. And in terms of the inflationary question, we've seen some pockets where we're seeing some Higher inflationary areas, but overall, we're continuing to look for leverage throughout the model and I'm really not holding back on any hires, just finding leverage throughout the model.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Speaker 7

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, Mr. Schwartz. Our next question comes from the line of Ryan MacDonald with Needham. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Hi, Chad and Craig. Thanks for taking my questions. Congrats on a great quarter. Chad, in your prepared remarks, you talked about this dynamic where you've got nearly half the country covered geographically, but only 5% market penetration currently. As you think about continuing to expand Paycom's portion of the pie, where do you See the most value in terms of incremental investment, whether it be continuing that geographic expansion in the back half of this year with new offices, incremental advertising spend to build the brand awareness or perhaps continued investment and expansion inside sales teams?

Speaker 10

Thanks.

Speaker 2

Well, number 1 is us continuing to get better at the outside sales process. We have more opportunity Out there for us within the markets that we're in, we only have 5% of the market out there. So I would say number 1 for us is Continuing to get better at selling our value proposition out there to prospects. We have continued to be pulled up market Because of the strong value proposition that we are delivering all the way down to the employee level. And so we are continuing to get more Leads that tend to be a little bit larger than what we've had in the past.

Speaker 2

And I would say in aggregate, there's more of them as well. And so really that's been our focus is getting better at executing and being able to sell that. Now that alone isn't our only Strategy, we're getting better at sourcing leads. We're getting better at retargeting them. And then of course, we continue to look at And then we have the staffing and leadership bench to be able to do that.

Speaker 10

Thank you. Maybe just as a

Speaker 3

follow-up, when you

Speaker 10

look at sort of the yield that you're looking to get off of the digital marketing investments and the advertising,

Speaker 9

Can you talk about what

Speaker 10

the timeframe that you're looking for in terms of that return on investment and whether if we do see a slowdown in the back half of

Speaker 2

Yes. Well, we measure it weekly. So I mean, we know our return weekly. I mean, These aren't I mean, these are very strong demo leads. These are clients who are asking for a product demonstration and we have very good Close ratios once we engage with those clients.

Speaker 2

And so it would be more of that For us, as far as the slowdown in the back half of the year in this, I really don't I really can't see that. I mean, we have a very strong value proposition, which is resonating very well out there, both with employees As well as with their employer and to some extent the world's conspiring to help us here in just the way different Individuals now deploy and utilize technology. And so we're at the forefront of that. I've said many times, I mean, we might be early, but we're not wrong. And so we're going to continue to drive our employee usage strategy throughout both the last half of this year as well as next year.

Speaker 10

Thanks for the color, Chad. Congrats again.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, Mr. McDonnell. Our next question comes from the line of Siti Panagrahyan with Mizuho. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hi. This is Alex on behalf of Citi Panagari. I had a question about Betty. You talked about 10,000 clients updating Betty in Q1 and this quarter you have about 13,000 clients. What drove the 3 ks net adds?

Speaker 5

And What sort of per employee per module uptake do you see as part of Betty? And what kind of growth upside do you see from Betty adoption? Like, Can you answer that on that follow-up?

Speaker 2

Yes. Well, I mean, we continue it continues to grow every quarter for Two reasons. 1, we continue to upsell Betty into our current client base as it's a better way for them to do payroll. It really is the

Speaker 4

only way someone should be doing payroll today.

Speaker 2

But as a reminder, since Should be doing payroll today. But as a reminder, since July of last year, every new client that's come on our system Has deployed Betty and so that's a part of our product offering since July of last to every new client. And so you've got a mixture of both of those. And then as far as the opportunity that upselling into our client base Taz with Betty. It is incremental increase in revenue opportunity for us.

Speaker 2

So it's accretive to that profile. But in every year, we have different focuses on modules. So and this year and I'm sure in the Next year, we're going to continue to be focusing on upselling Betty to 100% of our client base. And again, it'll be positive. But really what it does is it drives Greater usage reduces the amount of service we have to provide to any one client because of course if their payrolls are correct, We're not having to go through the process of doing corrections and corrections can produce Service calls.

Speaker 2

And so, we believe that with greater usage of Betty done the right way, it changes the employee Experience, it changes their expectation of what they would expect at any employer. That leads to more leads for us. That leads Greater satisfaction for clients, which ultimately also leads to less Service on our end as clients experience the self-service opportunities.

Speaker 5

Got it. Thank you. And my follow-up was ADP continues to see better retention rates. And how does your new bookings trend Have trended so far and are expecting any slowdown in new business bookings from a potential macro slowdown in the second half? And Is ADP still a major source of new business for you?

Speaker 2

Yes. ADP has been experiencing better retention rates Since I started the company in 1998, I'm surprised their retention is not already at 200%. But it doesn't impact Our ability to sell and take business as again, our product is more comprehensive. It's easier to use and it's just the way that Employees should be interacting with their own data.

Speaker 5

All right. Thank you.

Speaker 7

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Bergin with Cowen. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Hi, guys. Good afternoon. Thank you. I wanted to start here kind of with the what Recession question. So just how are you thinking about the sustainability of growth trajectory in the event the U.

Speaker 11

S. Does fall into a bit of a more challenged macro environment? And just As you think about the growth composition, what are the key swing factors that may change versus what you think remains unchanged?

Speaker 2

Well, first of all, just talking about the macro, I mean, the only thing that I could really see that would have a significant impact on us would be a Very quick and massive shift in unemployment. That doesn't happen incrementally over time, but happens Somewhat right away. I would think that that would have some level of impact on us. We're a growth company. We're focused on growing.

Speaker 2

We're focused on automating the back And we're focused on making it easier for employees to actually do their job. And so that's always going to be popular Regardless of what's going on out there and oftentimes when people have to do something with less, that means they get the opportunity Automate more. And so I feel really good about our ability to weather what we would Expect to happen. But again, it would take something some massive change in the unemployment rate To really impact us and I'm not saying we couldn't sell through that, but you kind of saw what happened during the pandemic And what happened there, and I would say that's probably much larger type of unemployment hit than what we would expect necessarily in a recession, definitely something that would have A lot quicker and all at once, but we'll just have to see. But save that, I'm not really I can't really see a whole lot That would prevent us from continuing to grow at a strong rate.

Speaker 2

And again, I mean, this next year is our 25 years in business. We've been through different recessions and then on different cusps of recessions In the past.

Speaker 11

Okay. Thanks. Appreciate that. And then just a follow-up on free cash flow. Can you comment on just free cash flow margin for this year?

Speaker 11

How you expect those to land for 2022? And just any thoughts on longer term forward free cash flow conversion trends?

Speaker 3

Yes. One thing this quarter that impacted our free cash flow some was just the tax rate we saw. Last year, we Q2, we had some benefit from a discrete item to the quarter as it related to Some stock vestings and this year we didn't have quite the same level. So I would think that what we're seeing this year would be More indicative, with as we kind of roll out throughout the rest of 2022 and then into 2023.

Speaker 12

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Next question comes from the line of Jason Celino with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 13

Great. Thanks for taking my question. Really strong results here, especially given the macro backdrop. Chad, how would you describe Or attribute the upside that we've seen just from industry resilience versus company specific drivers and execution?

Speaker 2

Yes, so much of our upside in any one quarter is dependent upon when a deal starts. We always believe going into quarter, we have a really good visibility into when a deal is going to start. But when it starts matters, When you're talking about over performance within a quarter because of course, if a deal starts at the beginning of a quarter, we get 100% revenue billing for that deal that quarter. That starts at the end of the quarter, we could only get a third of the billing or maybe 15% of it. Of course, in subsequent quarters, we get 100 So we have pretty good visibility.

Speaker 2

I'd say we have great visibility going guiding quarter to quarter. But as far as the outperformance, it's always being delivered by New client wins and then on top of that, you really have to look at when those deals are starting for us.

Speaker 13

Okay, Perfect. And then Craig, again, 31% growth in the quarter, very impressive. I think the guidance assumes For the second half, some modest deceleration. Curious on what kind of macro assumptions you've built into this?

Speaker 3

Yes, I mean, as we were coming into guidance, I mean, at this point, we haven't seen anything. You're starting to hear about it, but we haven't baked any Sort of a macro impact to our guidance for the back half of the year. Really, we're guiding very similar to how we've done in the past. We guide to what we see. As we get closer to Q4, we can see a little more on the Q4 and That's the quarter that has the bonuses, the off cycle runs.

Speaker 3

So as we're sitting here in At the

Speaker 4

beginning of

Speaker 3

Q3, we're guiding very similar to how we have in the past.

Speaker 13

Okay. Thanks for the clarification, Craig.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, Mr. Selena. Our next question comes from the line of Arvind Ramnani with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. So clearly good results, But I'm trying to dimension, are you able to kind of separate how much of your growth was driven by Expansion at existing clients versus new client logos?

Speaker 2

Sure. Is that the question? I'm just making sure. Okay. If that's the question, the overwhelming majority of our revenue and our revenue That we onboard our new business revenue comes from new client wins.

Speaker 2

We do continue to sell into our client base. I've never I said land and expand, we land large, but there are opportunities for us to expand into that client base and we do that As we believe that clients should be able to use all the products that we have the correct way to drive the employee experience.

Speaker 12

So

Speaker 8

Arvind, go ahead Craig. One thing

Speaker 3

I would say Arvind is Our outside clients, our outside sales teams, those 54 sales teams are only bringing on new logos. So that entire group is bringing on new logos. So the mix has been very similar to what it has been in the past With the exception of that year that ACA came about where we didn't that was such an immediate upsell. But The last few years have been very similar, the mix of new logos to upsell and it's still the overwhelming majority is going to be new logos.

Speaker 7

Perfect. And just quick follow-up here. Have you seen any sort of layoffs or turnover with the existing clients that has Been a headwind on revenue or has it been sort of roughly equal? And then the second thing is, if you can comment on pricing, if you've Being able to push sort of pricing increases through?

Speaker 2

No on the headwind. And then as far as our pricing, we've talked about that in Past where we did our first pricing adjustment, I believe it was in 2019. And we did a small Pricing adjustment to a small subset of our client base. We did talk about as we move forward that Talking about our pricing model isn't something that we're going to do just for competitive reasons, but I've also always said that as we make our product more valuable, it only makes That we get to share in the value we create through pricing adjustments over time.

Speaker 7

Perfect. Thank you.

Speaker 14

Thank

Operator

you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Alex Zukin with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 15

Hey, guys. Thanks for squeezing me in and congrats On an all out great quarter. I guess, so a lot of these questions have been asked, but I'll try to Maybe ask in a different way. It sounds like you're having incremental success selling more modules at the same time because of VETI. You're still seeing a tremendous amount of new business.

Speaker 15

And you don't really see a recessionary headwind impacting employment rates. So I guess the main question I would have is, if you look at your And you look at that from kind of increased value versus increased units. How does that compare to prior periods? Meaning, are you getting more of your growth from the fact that your deals are larger, incrementally?

Speaker 2

I would say it compares very similar to every past year with the exception of when we added On to our inside sales business, which are for more of your emerging businesses, those companies that have less than 50 employees. That group represents approximately 5% of our overall revenue. So that's one way to think about it as companies that have less than 50 employees Represent 5% of our overall revenue. And so what has been growing is the average size of our other clients. And so that hasn't been different In any year from year to year, it continues to go up.

Speaker 2

And again, part of that diluting factor, if you just take the unit count divided by total number Of employees in our system, part of that diluting factor is going to be all of those emerging below 50 employee companies that we added When we added this inside sales group and expanded it in the year 2020.

Speaker 15

Understood. And I guess increasingly as you think about incremental modules, when you think about that incremental Potential over the next coming couple of years, do you see every year if everybody is buying all of the modules upfront, do you see that What kind of momentum continuing in the future?

Speaker 2

Yes. We've always said that people buy Half, at least half or greater of the modules that we have at the time that we sell them. Of course, we've been in business sometimes. So some of the modules you have to go back and sell Into the current client base because we didn't have them at the time we actually sold them in the beginning.

Speaker 3

I would say it's a

Speaker 2

little bit more than half now As we go into new sales just because of what's required for a client to have in order for an employee to do their own payroll, There are several modules that they have to have. I'm not going to say it's 100% because that wouldn't be accurate, but I would say it's more than what they needed in the past.

Speaker 15

Perfect. And just a clarifying question. With respect to the guidance, you did it looks like a bigger pass through than usual bigger raise than usual. So I think it would be helpful just to understand Out of the incremental raise, how much of that is coming from the rate hikes coming from the model?

Speaker 2

Well, as we've said, I mean, for us, it's really the new business sales are really going to be what's driving quarter to quarter and then it does matter when That's not to say that we're not going to have some positive impact from the rate increases. You had the 50 basis points in May, which It's somewhat in the middle of the quarter, not necessarily, maybe a little sort of that and yet another 75 basis toward the end of July. We've talked about how those layered in Sorry, at the end of June. We've talked about how those layer in and then you also had some July. So we've talked about how those layer in and so We would absolutely expect that to be have a positive impact on both next quarter and subsequent quarters.

Speaker 2

But still first price for us, which has Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Sravan Shah with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 16

Great. Thanks for taking my question and echo my congrats on the strong results. Chad, earlier you mentioned a lot of the benefits of Betty, but just as it relates to retention, can you talk about what you see maybe from those Customers that utilize Betty to the ones that maybe don't yet, are you seeing any improvement there or

Speaker 1

is it still too early?

Speaker 2

Well, I mean, definitely clients that use Betty and deploy Betty are going to have much stronger usage patterns than someone that doesn't. And once they've deployed Betty, it kind of changes the game and the expectation of what an employee expects To be able to use in the business. And so absolutely that impacts our retention. As I've been saying, usage is really what drives Retention, and I believe that's so for any software out there, but definitely ours.

Speaker 16

Helpful there. And Craig, just a quick follow-up by clarification on float. I just want to make sure that I understand it. So is it safe to assume that your guidance takes into account The laird impact of all the rate increases up until July and assumes no further rate increases, is that accurate?

Speaker 3

Yes, that would be accurate. It would not include any future rate increases and then layering in what we've up through July.

Speaker 16

Perfect. Thanks again for taking my questions.

Speaker 12

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Next question comes from the line of Daniel Jester with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 17

Great. Thanks for taking my question. Just one on margin, another great quarter of year over year margin Expansion on the EBITDA line, but you did have some compression on gross margin. I know that Craig Talked about the full year expectation for about 85% gross margin. I would think with float income going higher, You'd have a benefit there just like on the EBITDA line.

Speaker 17

So can you remind us about the investments potentially you're making that could impact that gross margin trend? Thank you.

Speaker 3

Sure. So the one thing on the gross margin line, as we continue to hire and Higher in front of the revenue growth, that's going to have an impact on that gross margin. And then you'll eventually grow into that. You have to hire and train ahead of capturing that revenue. So we're continuing to hire aggressively.

Speaker 3

And then also, we brought on the new Grapevine facility and data center that Tier 4 data center. So you're You're starting to see some of the depreciation hitting the different areas of our income statement. So that had a small had an impact as well On the gross margin, but we're still expecting to be at least at that 85% level for the full year.

Speaker 17

Great. Thank you very much.

Speaker 5

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Kevin McVeigh with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Speaker 12

Great. Thanks so much. Hey, Is there any way to frame what the revenue impact is if you were if Betty was adopted 100% across your existing client base? Said another way, what's the revenue impact as Betty becomes 100% utilized across the client base?

Speaker 2

Well, Betty is one of 29 modules that we have. So I mean, it would definitely have an impact. Again, where we're making the impacts, new business logo adds and Betty gives us the opportunity to do that. I think Betty will have some impact for Sure, because we're charging for it. But I think where you'll see a better impact to Betty once we have every single client on, I mean, I think it's going to impact retention.

Speaker 2

As we've seen, usage has been impacting retention of our product. We were at 91%, I think it was 3 or 4 years ago, And it's continued to go up. And so that's really been driven by usage. And Betty generates stronger usage of our products. If history is an indicator, we would expect that once all of our clients have deployed it and are actually generating that ROI, It's going to have an impact on our retention.

Speaker 2

And then also all those clients' employees will be used to Betty. And as they go to other companies in the market, As a normal flow of an employee lifecycle goes from one company to the next, we believe that generates even greater leads for us as we've been seeing now.

Speaker 12

Very helpful. And then can you just remind us the philosophy on flow in terms of To the market as opposed to maybe reinvestment in the business?

Speaker 3

Yes. I We'll have to see on that. I think a lot of it depends on the timing of when we might make some of those investments. You look at and If it's something that we can invest in, let's say, advertising or R and D that's going to generate additional revenue, then that's something we're definitely going to look at. But We're also a company that doesn't like waste.

Speaker 3

So we're not going to spend it just to spend it. We'll to the extent that we don't see an opportunity, we'll let that fall to the bottom line.

Speaker 12

Thanks so much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Robert Simmons with D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Speaker 14

Hey guys, thanks for taking the question. I was wondering, are there parts of the market that are responding particularly well to, Betty,

Speaker 2

I mean, you're talking about Betty is the benefit of Betty is to the employees. So it's really it doesn't really matter What industry that is, anywhere an employee really, really needs for their check to be accurate going into the weekend, Betty is there for them. And within every industry, you will have those types And then again, every business that would like to automate and We reduced their exposure and a lot of their liability around the payroll process, deploying Betty is the right way to do that. And so No, I can't say that there's any industry that Betty would work stronger in than the other. Got

Speaker 14

it. Great. And then can you talk about the UKG situation? I mean, how much benefit have you been able to see from that so far this year in terms of

Speaker 2

Yes, I mean, I think that produces an opportunity for everyone. I also think it makes everyone take pause And everybody's got to make sure they have the right plan for their clients as we're all in this same world Together and so I think as you see those kind of things, I know that we looked at everything ourselves. I'm sure many competitors looked at what everyone can do differently to make sure that employees always get paid. Yes, I mean, absolutely, it produces opportunity, but I don't I wouldn't say it's the hack that produces the opportunity. I mean, it's the fact that someone has an opportunity to have a very good experience in a single system for their employees.

Speaker 2

So they have an opportunity to have multiple Systems where their employees are trying to find their passwords. And I would say that's what drives our wins More so than what's happened to them in the past.

Speaker 14

Got it. Great. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. There are no additional questions waiting at this time. I would like to pass the conference back to Chad Richison for any closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Okay. Thank you to everyone for joining our call today and thank you to all of our employees for contributing to our continued success. We have a busy schedule ahead starting next week with meetings at the KeyBanc Technology Forum in Vail and virtual meetings with Oppenheimer and BMO. In September, we'll be hosting in person meetings in Las Vegas at the Deutsche Bank Technology Conference, in New York at the Citi Global Technology Conference and in San Francisco at the Wolfe TMT Conference. We hope to speak with many of you soon and appreciate your interest in Paycom.

Speaker 2

Operator, you may disconnect.

Operator

Thank you. That concludes the Paycom Software 2nd quarter 2022 quarterly results conference call. I hope you all enjoy the rest of your day. You may now disconnect your lines.

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