General Dynamics Q3 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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October 26, 2022

There are 13 speakers on the call.

Operator

And welcome to the General Dynamics Third Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. Please note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference call over to Howard Rival, Vice President of Investor Relations. Howard, please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to the General Dynamics Third Quarter 2022 Conference Call. Any forward looking statements made today represent our estimates regarding the company's outlook. These estimates are subject to some risks And uncertainties. Additional information regarding these factors is contained in the company's 10 ks, 10 Q and 8 ks filings.

Speaker 1

We will also refer to certain non GAAP financial measures. For additional disclosures about these non GAAP measures including reconciliations to comparable GAAP measures, please see the slides that accompany this webcast, which are available on the Investor Relations page of our website, investorrelations.gd.com. With that completed, I turn the call over to our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Phoebe Novakovic.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Howard. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for being with us. Earlier this morning, we reported earnings of $3.26 For diluted share on revenue of $10,000,000,000 operating earnings of $1,100,000,000 and net earnings of 902,000,000 Revenue is up $407,000,000 or 4.3 percent against the Q3 last year. Operating earnings are up $18,000,000 or 1.7 percent, net earnings are up 4.9% and earnings per share are up 6.2%. So the quarter over quarter results compare favorably.

Speaker 2

The sequential results are even better. Here we beat last Quarter's revenue by 8.6 percent, operating earnings by 12.3 percent, net earnings by 17.8% and EPS by 18.5 We beat consensus by $0.11 per share on somewhat higher revenue than anticipated by the sell side. Operating margin is about as anticipated. Most of the beat came from various other items, including a lower tax rate than anticipated by the sell side. On a year to date basis, net earnings are up $93,000,000 or 4% and earnings per share are up $0.45 a strong 5.5%.

Speaker 2

We also had another very strong quarter from a cash perspective. Net cash flow provided by operating activities Is $1,280,000,000 Free cash flow was $1,030,000,000 a 114 percent of net income. This follows a very strong cash performance in the first half. Order performance was good in the quarter across all segments and particularly strong at Gulfstream. You will hear more detail on cash and backlog from Jason a little later.

Speaker 2

In summary, we enjoyed a strong quarter, particularly so in light of supply chain, foreign exchange and inflation headwinds. So let me move right into some color around the performance of the business segments. First, Aerospace. Aerospace had revenue of $2,350,000,000 and operating earnings of $312,000,000 with a 13.3% operating margin. Revenue is $281,000,000 more than a year ago quarter, up 13.6%.

Speaker 2

Operating earnings are $50,000,000 more, up 19.1% on higher revenue and a 60 basis point improvement in margins. The sequential improvement is even better. Revenue is up $480,000,000 or 25.7 percent And operating earnings are up $74,000,000 or 31.1 percent. To be fair, the prior quarter's revenue and earnings We're somewhat lower as a result of the inability to deliver 4 aircraft due to the airworthiness directive, which was fully resolved in the 3rd quarter. From an order perspective, this was yet another good quarter reflecting continuing strong demand.

Speaker 2

The Aerospace book to bill was 1.15:one. Gulfstream Aircraft alone had a book to bill of 1.3:one and 1.9:one year to date. To put the point in perspective, since the end of Q3 of 2021, Aerospace total backlog Has grown $4,362,000,000 to reach a very robust $19,100,000,000 Despite apparent macroeconomic headwinds, we continue to experience a strong level of interest, good activity and a replenishing pipeline. Certainly, demand in the quarter was not as super heated as prior quarters, but still the book to bill was very good against the Significant increase in deliveries. Only time will tell about the macroeconomic impact, but we continue to see strong interest From a product perspective, the G500 and G600 have now seen the FAA remove the wind related We have delivered 188 of these aircraft to customers through the end of the quarter.

Speaker 2

The G500, G600 together led Quarter and orders followed closely by the G650. This is a very successful program with real market momentum. With respect to G700 Development, the control of software validation is scheduled to begin FAA type inspection authorization during the 1st week of November. We estimate we will certify this upcoming summer, but much depends on available FAA resources. Gulfstream had 35 deliveries in the quarter.

Speaker 2

If everything goes as planned, we'll deliver 40 to 41 aircraft in the 4th quarter. I haven't said much about Jet Aviation, but suffice it to say it performed well in the quarter with improving margins in its MRO activities. In short, Aerospace exhibited very strong performance in the quarter and should have an even stronger 4th quarter. Next, Combat. Combat Systems had very similar results on a quarter over year ago quarter basis, but with strong improvement sequentially.

Speaker 2

Combat Systems revenue of $1,790,000,000 is up 2.5% From the year ago quarter, earnings are down 1.8% on a 60 basis point reduction in operating margin. Nevertheless, The operating margin in the quarter is an impressive 15.2%. On a sequential basis, Combat Systems revenue is up $122,000,000 or 7.3 percent, while operating earnings are up a very Significant 10.6 percent on a 50 basis point improvement in operating margin. Demand across the segment provided a book to bill of 1 point 3 to 1 with a large order for Abrams Main Battle Tanks for Poland, orders for $370,000,000 for munitions and ordnance and an order for 39 labs from the Canadian government. We also received our first order related to Ukraine at our munitions business.

Speaker 2

All of this increases the Combat Systems' total backlog to 13,800,000,000 This was an impressive new business quarter with strong operating performance once again by the Combat Systems Group. Next, Marine. Revenue of $2,800,000,000 is up $132,000,000 5 percent over the year ago quarter. This quarter's revenue growth was distributed fairly evenly between Electric Boat and NASSCO. Revenue is also up $118,000,000 or 4.5 Year to date, revenue was up $415,000,000 or 5.4 percent.

Speaker 2

Revenue in this group has been up for the last 20 quarters on a quarter over quarter basis. This is very impressive continued consistent growth. Operating earnings are $238,000,000 in the quarter, up $9,000,000 or 3.9 percent on operating margins of 8.6%. On a sequential basis, Operating earnings are $27,000,000 or an impressive 12.8 percent on a 60 basis point improvement in margin. At Electric Boat, the Columbia First Ship remains on cost and on contract schedule.

Speaker 2

The ship is more than 25% complete. NASSCO had a particularly good quarter with improved TAO revenue and better margins across the board. From an orders perspective, Electric Boat received a large maintenance and modernization order for the USS Hartford. NASSCO received orders for an additional ESP and 2 TAO Oilers. As a result, Book to bill was 1.1 to 1, leading to a $400,000,000 increase in backlog.

Speaker 2

Throughout the group, We have a solid backlog of new construction and repair work. Our programs are also well supported in the FY 'twenty three budget. In summary, revenue growth is clearly visible. And as I've said before, the real opportunity given the steady revenue visibility is margin Moving to Technologies. This segment has revenue of $3,071,000,000 in quarter, down $49,000,000 from the year ago quarter or 1.6%.

Speaker 2

The revenue decrease was fairly evenly split in dollar terms Between Mission Systems and IT. Mission Systems suffered from nagging supply chain disruptions and the failure of some government In the case of IT Services, it was largely timing and program mix. Operating earnings of $285,000,000 are down $42,000,000 or 12.8 percent on 120 basis point reduction in operating margin, exclusively attributed to Mission Systems and largely related to the issues impacting revenue. Total backlog remains relatively consistent over all comparative periods with a book to bill of 1 to 1 and good order prospects on the horizon. The pipeline remains very active at both businesses.

Speaker 2

GDIT enjoyed another solid operating quarter with healthy earnings and particularly strong cash, in part due to good results in the Federal Civilian division. While we continue to see procurement delays, GDIT's year to date wins exceeded full year 2021 awards in dollar terms. These wins highlight the nice momentum in the business as GDIT begins to realize the benefits from target investments and the technical Differentiation of its offerings and this despite the more than $3,500,000,000 tied up in prolonged protests And nearly $17,000,000,000 pending adjudication at the end of the Q3. On the people front, GDIT remains focused on attracting and retaining the very best technology talent. The culture this business has created, one of empowerment, accountability and inclusivity Mission Systems experienced a series of challenges in the 3rd quarter.

Speaker 2

Additional supply chain disruptions, inflation, labor availability in select Intel programs and customer contracting delays. Many Mission Systems customers have a serious shortage of contracting officers that has hampered their ability to execute on programs of record. In addition, quite understandably, customer focus has been redirected in some areas to meet the more urgent demands of the Ukraine. The business has offset some of the bottom line impact by productivity improvements and cost cutting initiatives. They will make every effort to catch up in the Q4.

Speaker 2

Nonetheless, we anticipate these fact of life realities to continue for a while. I'll have more to say on that subject in a moment. That concludes my remarks with respect to a solid quarter for the entire company. So as we look toward the end of the year, we expect performance to be largely in line with the updated guidance that we gave you on the last call. As I just referenced, we expect technologies to fall short of our previous estimates, but we expect aerospace to run somewhat ahead of our previous forecast.

Speaker 2

All up, they should offset each other. In all other respects, our guidance remains the same. We stand by our previous EPS guidance. I'll now turn the call over to our CFO, Jason Aiken, for further remarks.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Phoebe, and good morning. Starting with our cash performance, it was another strong quarter with operating cash flow of nearly $1,300,000,000 This was achieved once again on the strength of the Gulfstream orders and particularly strong cash performance from our Technologies segment. This brings us to $3,900,000,000 of operating cash flow through the 1st 9 months of the year, which also includes the ongoing collections on our large international combat vehicle contract according to the contract restructure that occurred back in 2020. Including capital expenditures, our free cash flow was just over $1,000,000,000 for the quarter and $3,300,000,000 year to date, yielding a conversion rate of 137% through the 1st 9 months. The continued strong performance positions us very well to achieve our target for the year A free cash flow conversion atorabove100 percent of net income.

Speaker 3

With respect to the status of the tax treatment of research and development expenses, I think everyone can sense that despite the broad based bipartisan support for immediate expensing of these investments, the window of opportunity for action in 2022 is quickly closing. As we've said all throughout the year, if the Congress acts to defer or reverse the capitalization requirement, we would expect free cash flow for the year atorabove 110 percent of net income. Looking at capital deployment. Capital expenditures were $255,000,000 in the quarter or 2.6 percent of sales. That's up from last year consistent with our expectation to be around 2.5% of sales for the year.

Speaker 3

For the 1st 9 months, We're at 2.2% of sales, but 2.5% remains our full year target. So obviously, an implied uptick in capital investments in the 4th quarter. We also paid $345,000,000 in dividends during the quarter, bringing the total deployed in dividends and share repurchases through the 1st 9 months to just over $2,100,000,000 The net result at the end of the 3rd quarter was a cash balance $2,500,000,000 and a net debt position just under $9,000,000,000 down over $1,500,000,000 from this time last year. Net interest expense in the quarter was $86,000,000 down from $99,000,000 in the Q3 of 2021. That brings the interest expense for the 1st 9 months of the year to $279,000,000 down from $331,000,000 for the same period in 2021.

Speaker 3

At this point, we continue to expect our interest expense for the year to be approximately $380,000,000 including the assumed repayment of $1,000,000,000 of notes that mature in the 4th quarter. The tax rate in the quarter was 14.3%, Bringing the rate for the 1st 9 months to 15.1%. This is consistent with our guidance last quarter to expect a lower rate in the 3rd quarter and a higher rate in the 4th. So no change to our outlook of 16% for the full year, which of course implies a higher tax rate in the discrete 4th quarter. One more comment on the tax front.

Speaker 3

The Inflation Reduction Act, which was signed into law in August, included a 15% corporate minimum tax And a 1% excise tax on stock buybacks. We don't expect either of these provisions to have a material impact on our financial results. Order activity and backlog were once again a strong story in the Q3 with a 1.1 to 1 book to bill for the company as a whole. As mentioned earlier, Aerospace continued to have a strong order activity with a 1.2 times book to bill in the quarter and 1.6 times over the trailing 12 months. On the defense side, the combined book to bill was 1.1 times with each of the segments achieving a book to bill of at least 1 times.

Speaker 3

We finished the quarter with a total backlog of $88,800,000,000 while total potential contract value, including options and IDIQ contracts, was $125,800,000,000 The increase in backlog was particularly notable given a headwind from foreign exchange rate fluctuations of approximately $275,000,000 in the quarter $650,000,000 year to date with the vast majority of the impact in Combat Systems. Incidentally, the FX fluctuations also negatively impacted Combat's revenue by $55,000,000 in the quarter $123,000,000 in the 1st 9 months of the year due to the surging dollar versus the euro and the British pound. But for the FX headwind, the Combat That concludes my remarks. I'll turn it over to Howard to start the Q and A.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Jason. As a reminder, we ask participants to ask one question And one follow-up, so that everyone has a chance to participate. Operator, could you please remind participants how to enter the queue?

Operator

Kindly limit your question to 1 and you may ask a follow-up after. We'll brief pause you while questions are now being registered. Our first telephone question today comes from Seth Seifman of JPMorgan. Seth, please go ahead. You may begin.

Speaker 4

Thanks very much. Good morning.

Speaker 5

Good morning.

Speaker 4

Sorry, Jason, to waste a question on pension here. But You guys are a little bit different than your peer group in terms of the way that you account for things. When we think about where Interest rates and asset returns are year to date. And we think about the income below the line next year, where that might migrate to. And when we think about the cash impact, if any, in terms of the contributions that you would expect, can you give us an update on that?

Speaker 3

Yes. As you said, Seth, we are somewhat different from most of the peer group in this regard. And as a result, right now, we're not expecting anything material an income perspective on the pension front. Obviously, that's something we'll roll up as part of our full operating plan process here in the 4th quarter And give you more specific detailed guidance in January, but I think the bottom line is both from an earnings as well as from a cash We don't expect that at this point to be a material item.

Speaker 4

Okay. Just to clarify, the $40,000,000 or so of income below the line each quarter, that kind of continues.

Speaker 3

Some version in that range. I don't have an exact number at this you can expect it to decline as you would suspect modestly, but again, that's not 100% pension income there. It's a big piece of that is pension income on the commercial side of the business. So it should downtick a little bit, but not in a material way.

Speaker 5

Okay. Okay. And then maybe as

Speaker 4

a quick follow-up, we saw some news, Phoebe, during the quarter about the Australian sub and the potential to do some work on that outside of Australia. And we all kind of know about the capacity constraints on subbuilding right now. Maybe could you talk a little bit about your thinking on that topic?

Speaker 2

Yes. So we are driven entirely by the demand of our customer and the prioritization of our customers. So we're working with them, Our U. S. Navy to determine what the focus should be going forward and As we work through these some of these capacity issues and how do we accommodate not only U.

Speaker 2

S. Demand, but potentially other demand.

Speaker 4

Okay, great. Thanks very much.

Operator

Thank you for your question. Our next question today comes from David Strauss of Barclays. David, go ahead.

Speaker 6

Thanks. Good morning. Hi. Phebe, were there any unusual costs at the Space segment in the quarter related to the 500, 600 software fix?

Speaker 3

Yes, David, we did have, as I think you're aware, some customer accommodation related to the software issue, Both in the Q2 and the Q3 wasn't material to the results, but that has been absorbed in the numbers that you see and It's inherent in the improved margins that the group posted in the quarter.

Speaker 6

Okay. And it's completely behind, nothing lingering in Q4, Jason? Right.

Speaker 3

That's correct. It's behind us at this point.

Speaker 6

Okay, great. And follow-up on free cash flow conversion. Given where you are year to date, I mean, over 100% for the full year looks Pretty conservative, unless there's something unusual, I guess, from a working capital perspective that you're expecting in or baking in, in Q4. Can you just Elaborate on that? Thanks.

Speaker 3

Yes. As you point out, the cash flow has been particularly strong through the 1st 9 months. So as I said in the opening remarks, We're very comfortable with 100 plus percent for the year. To be completely candid, there's probably some opportunity for some upside there. If I look at the things that we're monitoring, number 1, to the 1st 9 months, we've had a significant benefit from Working capital reduction, some of that's timing, so some of that could turn in the Q4.

Speaker 3

We'll watch that. The other big piece is, as I noted, We're still expecting or forecasting CapEx for the year to be in the 2.5% of sales range. So that implies A pretty meaningful uptick in CapEx in the Q4. I'll acknowledge that we've often chased our CapEx forecast and rarely So there could be some upside opportunity there if we don't get everything in, in the year. But if we do that, that's a headwind of the Q4.

Speaker 3

And frankly, the 3rd item It's something that everybody continues to monitor and that is we need to resolve our situation on the Ajax program. So Those are some of the things we're monitoring for the Q4. We come through all that. And certainly, to your point, we have some opportunity for some upside.

Speaker 6

Thanks very much.

Operator

Thank you for your question. Our next question today comes from Ron Epstein of Bank of America. Ron, you may begin.

Speaker 7

Yes. Good morning.

Speaker 2

Good morning, Ron. So maybe just

Speaker 7

maybe the supply chain question. Seems like you guys are navigating it really well. Most airplane companies today are having Aren't going to deliver more than they thought they were going to deliver, it's the opposite problem. So I guess my question for you is, how is the supply chain going For Gulfstream. And then B, when you look at the defense business you have, you referred kind of across the sector, similar issues on chips and so on and so forth.

Speaker 7

How is it going

Speaker 2

So we've had a fair number of supply chain challenges on the Aerospace side, which we have Accommodated heretofore. But supply chain remains a potential challenge going forward. And as we go through our planning process Sure. In the Q4, we get a lot more clarity airplane by airplane of what the supply chain is able to do. But we have so far managed.

Speaker 2

There are, however, as you quite rightly note, fair number of headwinds out there. On the defense side, we have accommodated most of the supply chain perturbations, Except obviously in the Marine Group, but most profoundly in the quarter and most impactfully is at Mission Systems. And while they had dealt with a lot of the more pedestrian supply chain challenges, specialty chips continued to Dog them. And the additional delays that they experienced in the quarter were Very, very hard for them, in fact impossible for them to overcome. Vision Systems is a very high performance organization and they produce several high value complex products that had experienced delays before, but again, even beyond some of the Chip problems, some of the specialty products going into that production, those production lines were also impacted.

Speaker 2

So To Mission Systems Credit, they have taken a lot of cost cutting and restructuring initiatives to offset the margin impact And earnings impact of the revenue decline, but we're going to have to work through some of that. And More to come as we look into the Q4 and then into next year.

Speaker 7

Got it. Got it. And then maybe as a follow on, On the labor side, what are you seeing across the businesses, right? I mean, we clearly hear from the Navy that they want to have more shipbuilders out there. But What are you seeing across all the businesses you have in the portfolio in terms of skilled labor?

Speaker 2

Yes. So there are some Across the businesses, there are some specialty engineering and specialty fields that have had Some headwinds on labor, but those are beginning to resolve. In terms of manufacturing, We had some perturbation in we've had a lot of perturbation in the labor market, but felt that particularly At Quonset Point, but that's beginning to resolve itself. When you think about shipbuilding, shipbuilding is a very complex, high touch labor business. And when you have a nationwide Protivation in the labor market is going to be impacted.

Speaker 2

I mean, while we kept open, not all of the supply chain did, But we also lost a number of experienced shipbuilders as well as experienced People, manufacturing folks in the supply chain, so all of that at a higher level than we normally experience. And I don't think that we are alone in that. People took the opportunity in the middle of the pandemic to retire. So we've got to work through some of that. But ultimately, we do not see and I think this is an important point here.

Speaker 2

We do not see labor as a constraint for our revenue growth at the moment, Certainly not in the longer term.

Speaker 7

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question today comes from Rod Stallard of Vertical Research. Rod, please proceed.

Speaker 5

Good morning. Phebe, your comments suggest that we're finally seeing some of this strong defense demand turning into orders. But what sort of time line are you expecting for these orders to actually convert into deliveries?

Speaker 2

You're talking about combat?

Speaker 5

Well, across the defense divisions. You're supposed to be combat, yes?

Speaker 2

Yes. Let's talk about combat because I think And then we can talk if you want a little bit about technologies. And before I get to combat, Marine is pretty clear. The orders continue to be healthy. The revenue projection, while you have some quarterly lumpiness, it signifies nothing for the long term growth.

Speaker 2

With respect to Combat, we saw a number of things in the quarter, primarily Stryker and Abrams, as well as MPF is beginning to ramp up as is Poland. And we saw some munitions orders also related to The Ukraine, so I suspect that and if we parse through, if we focus in on the Ukraine, We've well, here's what we anticipate. Our U. S. Army customer is telling us they want more ammunition and munitions, So we're working with them to ramp up production.

Speaker 2

In Europe, we've seen demand for bridges. There's frankly a lot of water in Europe. And we've got a very nice business in Germany that provides river crossings at various widths and weight And then we're seeing beginning to see increases in vehicle orders and vehicle RFPs coming out, particularly but not exclusively in the former Eastern Bloc. So Technologies It's really, I think a tale of 2 cities. GDIT has had good bookings.

Speaker 2

They grew last year. We them to grow this year. This is all about Mission Systems as I think tried to give you a fair amount of detailed color on what's impacting them. The demand for their high value products is out there. It's just our The inability to deliver because of the supply chain is constraining some of the orders, but they're there.

Speaker 2

They're just waiting to be executed once we get through all of this, and we will. We will get to the right.

Speaker 5

So just to follow-up on Combat and these orders you've had from Europe, for example, Is there roughly a 12 month to 2 year lead time between the contract getting signed and actually GD delivering?

Speaker 2

Completely depends on the product. Less so on the bridge side and it depends and again, less so potentially on the vehicle side. It just depends on the vehicle And exactly what modifications or changes folks want. We're not looking at clean sheet vehicles. We're looking at Changes to existing vehicles that we have updated consistently and throughout the years.

Speaker 2

So it will depend. I suspect a year, in some cases 18 months. Certainly, I don't expect a whole lot more than that.

Speaker 5

Yes, that's great. Thanks so much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Myles Walton of Wolfe Research. Myles, please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Thanks. Good morning. Good morning, Matt. I know that there's the $1,000,000,000 maturity coming in November, but curious maybe Phoebe, how you're thinking about capital deployment In a broader sense, obviously, cash flow coming in ahead of expectations, I think.

Speaker 5

Yes, yes. No, no, no.

Speaker 2

And that's a very good question. And our capital deployment priorities remain the same, but let me ask Jason to give you a little bit more color on the details.

Speaker 3

Yes. I think the way to think about it, Myles, we've talked about the $1,000,000,000 coming due in November. We do plan to pay that down. When you think on the debt side, We'll have additional maturities coming up in 2023 and that's where we've said we'll start to look, think back to the CSRA acquisition and the additional debt we took on. We would bring it down to a point where at some undefined point in the future, we'd start to think about whether we've hit the right level or not.

Speaker 3

And I think when we get into next year, we'll start to have that conversation in a more substantive way in terms of decision making. When you look at the other elements, share repurchase, as you know, is always tactical and opportunistic. It was a very volatile market in the Q3, so we were a little more hands off, just kind of trying to see what where things shake out, But that doesn't change our long term approach to share repurchase in a tactical and opportunistic way. And I think importantly, the dividend is always going You've always heard us talk about that, and we'll continue to expect to be on that trajectory that we've been on for the past quarter century, frankly. So As Phebe said, no changes in the deployment strategy.

Speaker 3

It will just

Speaker 2

be

Speaker 3

a matter of what's in the moment in a given quarter. And I think importantly, Our cash flow performance and our liquidity resources afford us the optionality to address all of those priorities without having to Forego one for the sake of the other.

Speaker 8

And just a quick follow-up. Phoebe, so does the M and A market Attractiveness, has that improved, become worse, the same?

Speaker 2

Yes. We're just not going to comment on M and A. So I think we can leave it at that. You want one more shot? One more question?

Speaker 8

No, no, no. I'll stay true. I don't want to get Howard angry.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from George Shapiro of Shapiro Research. George, go ahead.

Speaker 9

Yes. Jason, I was wondering if I could pin you down a little bit as to how big a number the software fixes were In the margin for Gulfstream in the quarter, are we talking a few $1,000,000 or something more?

Speaker 3

George, I don't actually have a discrete number on the software fix. I mean, I have a sense of the overall R and D budget and that sort of fits into that context. So I think as David asked earlier, in terms of impacts to Aerospace in the quarter, you saw the nice margin improvement, frankly, even a little bit ahead of where we were which is why as Phebe alluded, we think the group will perform better for the full year. But even within those strong results in the quarter, we did have An impact an adverse impact in terms of the accommodations we made with customers on the 500, 600 airworthiness directive. Again, that's fully behind us.

Speaker 3

And we are in a, at this point, sustained elevated R and D mode. Part of that was the resources that were diverted from the 700 Over to the 500, 600 AD fixed and that will sustain through next year as we've talked about as we continue towards certification of the 700 and then ultimately the 800. So I'll give you a little more color around that, but I apologize, I don't have a discrete number around the airworthiness directed fix.

Speaker 9

Okay. And then a quick one, Phoebe, your usual question. There's a $59,000,000 difference between the gross and the net bookings in Aerospace. Was that a Cancellation, was it FX related or if you can quantify that?

Speaker 2

All of the above. I mean, really Absolutely immaterial.

Speaker 9

Okay. Let me sneak in one last one.

Speaker 2

You're asking Howard Dyer. Go George.

Speaker 9

I always got Howard Dyer. That's okay. When you commented about your deliveries in 'twenty three and 'twenty four, it presupposed a book to bill of 1. Obviously, we've run a lot better than that. So you're thinking of changing those delivery forecasts or just stay conservative with the delivery forecast That you have out there.

Speaker 2

Not at the moment. We've assumed 1 to 1, and at the moment, I don't see any reason to change that. But as we go through our planning process, if to the extent that we need to modify it, we certainly will and we'll be Very explicit about that in the Q4.

Speaker 9

Okay. Thanks very much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Christine Leaguard of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Christine? Hello?

Speaker 10

Hey, sorry about that. Hello?

Speaker 5

No, no. Okay. Do you

Speaker 10

Okay, great. Thanks and good morning everyone. And Phoebe, on international Then sales, we're seeing changes in relationship between the U. S. And Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 10

With your foreign military sales in Saudi Arabia through Canada, how do we think about this evolving relationship potentially affecting your business?

Speaker 2

We see no indication of that at the moment. Want to ask right now?

Speaker 10

Yes, sure. Go ahead. Following up on what George was asking about on Aerospace, I mean book to bill was at one times at Aerospace. We've seen this above 2 times in the past few quarters. But at the same time, the backlog is at Record levels.

Speaker 10

Can you provide some color on the demand resilience you're seeing? Is this the demand from Corporate customers, individuals and then also is there some sort of level of backlog where you're comfortable at, so not to extend the duration of when people have to wait for their aircraft. Any color you could provide there would be really helpful.

Speaker 2

Sure. So we let's take your question in the inverse order. We always watch the delivery times for our aircraft to our customers and so far that's all been manageable. Just to remind you, starting in mid February of last year, we frankly entered the hottest and most frantic demand market that I've ever seen. And the order level in the quarter was by any measure Spectacular.

Speaker 2

So we've seen strong U. S. Demand, Fortune 500, Mideast, Southeast Asia. And our demand interestingly, and I think not surprisingly, our pipeline going into the 4th quarter looks very much like the pipeline going into the 3rd quarter. So at the moment, we've got some pretty good visibility of what orders look like.

Operator

Our next question comes from Kaye Van Rumer of Kerwin, can you please go ahead?

Speaker 11

Yes. Thanks so much and good results, Phoebe.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 11

So How is the software accommodation split between the 2nd and third quarter? And as we look going forward, With that out of the way and presumably R and D flat to down and volume up, what should we look for about The margins in the Q4 and going forward.

Speaker 2

So we'll see some margin upside, which we alluded to or now stated Rather, in our guidance for the year, but the software fixes were Almost entirely done by the end of the second quarter and this financial issue, it's About fifty-fifty. So we're we like where we are. And frankly, you haven't asked this, but let me just give you a little bit Of transparency around that, the transparency of the engineering resources that and the cooperation between The FAA and Gulfstream was very strong and very apparent throughout that process. So we expect that kind of, relationship

Speaker 3

If I could add just one thing, Kai, I think there was a predicate in your big predicate in your question that R and D would be coming down. We don't yet Expect R and D to be coming down. And if you look through next year with the 700 and the 800 will remain at a sustained and potentially even elevated level next year. So I just want to make sure that point is also clear. Yes.

Speaker 3

Good point.

Speaker 11

Excellent. And as a follow-up, if we turn to GDIT, you mentioned 3.5 Did the occupancy restrictions at DoD in the middle of September, have we seen a pickup in any of that Going through the bookings.

Speaker 2

Yes, we have. But tell me again what the first part of your question was?

Speaker 11

Well, you had $17,000,000,000 in bids awaiting $3,500,000,000 in protest.

Speaker 2

Some of the protests have resolved to our favor. And these are when we say protests, these are items that we've won That have been protested and we've got one in there that's got to be approaching the federal level of number of protests. So hopefully, we'll get through that in the Q4. And I think there is it's down somewhat, as I said, because they've resolved. But we still see a fair amount of proposals in the decision making cycle, which has, as we've said, elongated.

Speaker 2

But even given that, GDIT continues to grow.

Speaker 11

Thank you very much.

Operator

Our next question comes from Ken Herbert of RBC. Ken, proceed.

Speaker 8

Yes. Hi. Good morning. Thank you.

Speaker 12

I wanted to first ask on the schedule for the 7 and the 800. Is it fair to assume that resources that were diverted from 700 are now 100% back on that program. And in the last few months, considering issues okay, great. Considering issues on the 56 Have been resolved. Are you seeing anything else from the FAA that could potentially put entry into service schedules at risk?

Speaker 2

So as I said, we've cooperated very well with the FAA. We expect that to continue. I would note that We learned a lot in that process of how to work through the new software Requirements from the FAA. I think that coupled with the fact that the G700 is the most mature aircraft To enter the FAA certification process as a result of its software system and considerable and successful testing that preceded FAA review. We're sticking with our at the moment with Our summer 2023 estimate.

Speaker 2

But look, when we give you sort of our best guess On when the certification is, that's a result of a lot of things that we control and that we can Talk about with certainty, but ultimately this is an FAA issue and it's the availability of their resources and they are the regulator and they're going So we've always tried to be transparent about that, but recognize that the U. S. Government Controls ultimately the pace.

Speaker 12

Okay. Very helpful. And if I could just one quick follow-up. On the defense side, How would you look at the risk of your business if for whatever reason we have a continuing resolution that extends into calendar 2023?

Speaker 2

At the moment, we don't see a particular risk. And if we get 3 to 4 quarters an entire year of a CR, which I find in This threat environment, very difficult to imagine. Then we'd have to come back at you, but nothing we hear would suggest that it's The desire of Congress to do that.

Speaker 8

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Doug Harned of Bernstein. Doug, please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Good morning. Thank Phebe, when you look at the demand you're seeing at Gulfstream right now, can you give us Kind of a picture of how this looks. And what I mean is, we're seeing a lot of things such as first time customers going straight to large cabin Perhaps shifts in international versus U. S. Can you give us a picture of what that outlook is today for you?

Speaker 8

And Has that changed them over the past couple of years?

Speaker 2

So I think you and I, a couple of years ago, had a discussion about Structural versus cyclical change, and I still think it's premature to see any To declare that there's been a structural change, we've certainly seen some increase in first time buyers, but that was In part because a lot of wealth was created during the pandemic, The height of the pandemic, so I don't have exact data about What's in the pipeline, but I can't imagine that it will be much different than this quarter, which is heavy U. S, Fortune 500, Again, Southeast Asian and the Mideast.

Speaker 8

And then Just switching over, earlier when you talked about munitions, this is something that also looks like it looks like there's a lot of potential growth How do you think about this? I mean, I think of it as a high margin business for you within Combat and potential to Have orders well beyond that $370,000,000 that you got this quarter.

Speaker 2

So, and I think I may have alluded We're working with them on increasing production. But I think your Predicate about a high margin business is not quite based in in fact, we are OTS, where we do all of this work, is a high performance organization with respect to operating leverage, but that comes from a very wide And VAST portfolio. So we do okay, but I wouldn't say that they were Additive.

Speaker 8

So you don't think of it as a higher margin business. I just thought traditionally it was a higher margin business than Perhaps some of the other parts of combat vehicles and that's not the case?

Speaker 2

OTS On occasion, we'll be a higher margin business, but that's largely about mix and it's not driven by one particular Line of business, they've got an awful lot of contracts and there are high velocity contract turnover. So I think that's how I just should think about them.

Speaker 8

Okay. Lisa, very good.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Doug. Louisa, we'll take one more question, please. This will be our final.

Operator

Our final question today comes from Scott Deutschland of Credit Suisse. Go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hey, good morning. Thank you for taking my question.

Speaker 3

Jason, I think ROIC is something that you've historically been very focused on. And honestly, it's held up really well here despite the capital that you put in the business. So just curious, as you get past the bulk of the CapEx phase at Marine, Working capital comes out of the business and you have margins affected Aerospace. Where do you think ROIC can go over the next few years? It's a great question.

Speaker 3

Obviously, as we've been in this period of extended investment, you'd expect to see ROIC Become a little bit muted as a result and we saw a little bit of a downtick in that during that investment period. But as we emerge, having had essentially the investment period behind us, To your point, we absolutely expect to see ROIC back on the climb. We'll see that this year and we expect to see it next year and beyond. So Our targets over the long term ought to be back in the ranges we were in prior to the investment period we entered into a few years ago, and that's what you should expect as well. Okay, great.

Speaker 3

And then Jason, does the recently announced facility expansion of Savanna, does that have any impact to the prior guidance you gave on 23 CapEx? Or was that embedded in the 2% figure you previously talked about? Thank you. Yes, that's all embedded in the outlook we've given previously. So no change to those projections.

Speaker 3

Great. Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. That concludes the Q and A session. I'll hand back to the management team for any closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Thank you all for joining us today. As a reminder, please refer to the General Dynamics website for both our earnings release and of course our highlights presentation. If you have any other questions, I can be reached at 703-876-3117. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you all for joining today's call. You may now disconnect your line.

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