KeyCorp Q4 2022 Earnings Results & Report

KeyCorp EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $0.38
• Consensus EPS: $0.55
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$0.17
• One Year Ago EPS: $0.64
• EPS Beat Rate: 7 of last 8 quarters

KeyCorp Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $1.89 billion
• Expected Revenue: $1.93 billion
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$37.87 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: N/A

KeyCorp (NYSE:KEY) (NYSE:KEY) is a financial services company headquartered in Cleveland, Ohio, and the parent company of KeyBank National Association. Through KeyBank, the company provides banking and financial services to individuals, families, businesses, institutions and government entities.

KeyBank’s offerings include consumer and business deposit accounts, residential and commercial lending, mortgage and home equity products, credit cards, payments services, treasury management, wealth management and investment services. Through KeyBanc Capital Markets, the company also provides corporate and investment banking services, including mergers and acquisitions advice, debt and equity financing, and capital markets solutions.

KeyCorp traces its history to 1825 and has expanded through a combination of organic growth and bank acquisitions. KeyBank serves clients through branches and offices concentrated in several regions of the United States, while its commercial, institutional and investment banking businesses serve clients more broadly across the country. The company is led by Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Christopher M. Gorman.

KeyCorp Q4 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• Earnings and Loan‐Loss Provision: Q4 2022 EPS of $0.38 included a $265 million CECL provision, adding $0.20 per share to reserves amid a more cautious economic outlook.
• Consumer and Commercial Growth: Added new consumer households—especially younger clients—and expanded commercial relationships, with record $136 billion of client capital raised, 23% retained on-balance sheet.
• Net Interest Income & Funding: NII rose 2% Q/Q on loan growth and stable deposits, but deposit costs climbed late in Q4 as customers shifted to time deposits; nearly 60% of deposits remain low-cost retail and escrow.
• Fee Income Pressures: Noninterest income fell YoY as investment-banking and debt-placement fees declined, NSF/OD fee changes cut service-charge revenue, and capital-markets headwinds tempered equity and M&A activity.
• Capital, Credit and Outlook: Credit quality stayed strong—14 bps NCOs, low NPLs—while reserves rose to cover nearly five years of losses; 2023 priorities include 4% cost cuts, moderate risk, and a projected $1.1 billion NII boost from maturing swaps.

Presentation

[Operator]

Good morning. Welcome to KeyCorp's fourth quarter 2022 earnings conference call. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to the Chairman and CEO, Chris Gorman. Please go ahead.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

Well, thank you for joining us for KeyCorp's fourth quarter 2022 earnings conference call. Joining me on the call today are Don Kimble, our Chief Financial Officer, Clark Khayat, our Chief Strategy Officer. Upon Don's planned retirement, Clark will assume the CFO role. Also Mark Midkiff, our Chief Risk Officer. On slide 2, you will find our statement on forward-looking disclosure and non-GAAP financial measures. It covers our presentation materials and comments as well as the question-and-answer segment of our call. I am now moving to slide 3. This morning, we reported earnings of $356 million or $0.38 per common share. Our results included $265 million of provision for credit losses, which exceeded net charge-offs by $224 million or $0.20 a share.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

The additional provision builds our allowance for credit losses, adjusting our credit models to reflect a more cautious economic outlook. Our results reflect continued growth in both our consumer and commercial businesses. In our consumer business, we have added new households, with younger clients being our fastest-growing segment. Our commercial business also has continued to add and expand relationships. In 2022, we raised a record level of capital for our clients. Net interest income was up 2% from the third quarter, reflecting continued relationship-based loan growth supported by stable deposits. Deposit costs continued to move higher with a step-up in deposit rates late in the quarter. At the end of the fourth quarter, nearly 60% of our deposits were in low-cost retail and escrow balances. In our commercial businesses, over 80% of our deposits are from core operating accounts.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

Our average loan balances increased 3% from the prior quarter as we continue to add relationships and offer the best execution with both on and off-balance-sheet solutions. We continued to benefit from investments we have made in our business, including the healthcare sector. In 2022, we continued to grow relationships with significant healthcare providers and expanded our Laurel Road business. Despite the student loan payment holiday, we originated over $1.5 billion of Laurel Road loans last year and increased our member households by over 30%. We expanded our offering to nurses, added new products and capabilities, and completed the acquisition of GradFin. Since acquisition, GradFin has held nearly 30,000 individual consultations for refinance and public service loan forgiveness. These consultations are with pre-qualified, credentialed prospects, all new to Key.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

Our fee-based businesses in the fourth quarter reflect the continued slowdown in capital markets activity and the impact of changes to our NSF/OD fee structure. Investment banking and debt placement fees were up $18 million from the prior quarter, but down meaningfully from the year-ago period, reflecting broader capital markets trends. The new issue equity market is virtually nonexistent, and the M&A market continues to be engaged in price discovery. Our pipelines remain solid, particularly in M&A. However, the pull-through rates continue to be adversely impacted by market uncertainty. We have also continued to see more activity moving on to our balance sheet. In 2022, we raised a record $136 billion of capital for our clients, of which 23% was retained on our balance sheet, well above our long-term average of 18%.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

Credit quality remained strong this quarter, with net charge-offs as a percentage of average loans of 14 basis points. Non-performing loans declined again this quarter. Delinquencies, criticized and classified loans all remained near historically low levels. We will continue to support our clients while maintaining our moderate risk profile, which positions the company to perform well through all business cycles. Our capital remains a strength, providing us with sufficient capacity to support our clients and return capital to our shareholders, including a 5% increase in our common stock dividend in the fourth quarter. Before I turn the call over to Don, I want to share some thoughts on our outlook and priorities for 2023 and beyond. First, we will continue to execute on our differentiated business model and strategy. We will focus on expanding our presence in our fastest-growing markets and targeted industry verticals.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

As we demonstrated again in 2022, we are uniquely positioned to support clients through various market conditions. We will continue to benefit from our balance sheet and interest rate positioning. We have been very deliberate and intentional in the manner in which we have managed our interest rate risk with a longer-term perspective. Our positioning is providing less current benefit, we have significant upside over the next 2 years as swaps and short-term treasuries mature and reprice. We were to reprice our existing short-term treasuries and swaps at today's interest rates, we would have an annualized net interest income benefit of $1.1 billion. We will maintain our strong credit quality. We've spent the last decade de-risking our portfolio, positioning the company to outperform through the business cycle.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

Despite our strong credit metrics, we built our loan loss reserve this quarter, which, using our 2023 net charge-off outlook, now represents almost 5 years of coverage. To put this in perspective, our reserve is now above our CECL day one level, while non-performing loans and delinquencies are roughly one-half of our pre-pandemic levels. Finally, we will continue to create capacity to make targeted investments in our business by reducing expenses. Although expense management has been an ongoing area of focus, we will be accelerating our cost takeout plans early in 2023. We will pursue cost opportunities across our company, including areas where we can leverage technology, automation, and process improvement to reduce redundancy, improve efficiency, and enhance effectiveness. Our 2023 targets represent a cost reduction of approximately 4% relative to our full year 2022 level.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

The acceleration of our expense reduction plans will benefit us in two ways. First, we cannot grow if we are not investing. This will give us the capacity to continue to drive our targeted scale strategy, investing in points of differentiation. With the benefit of our cost reduction plans, we expect to hold expenses relatively stable this year compared to our full year 2022 results, which would be a significant accomplishment given inflationary pressures and our commitment to continue to invest in our future. I am confident in our long-term outlook and our ability to create value for all of our stakeholders. I'll turn it over to Don to provide more details on the results for the quarter and our 2023 outlook. Don?

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Thanks, Chris. I'm now on slide 5. For the fourth quarter, net income from continuing operations was $0.38 per common share, down $0.17 from the prior quarter and down $0.26 from last year. Our results included $0.20 per share of additional loan loss provision in excess of net charge-offs as we continue to build our reserves reflecting a more cautious economic outlook. For the full year, we delivered positive operating leverage, marking our ninth time in the last 10 years. This is a testament to our differentiated and resilient business model and our ongoing focus on disciplined expense management despite the inflationary environment. Turning to slide 6.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Average loans for the quarter were $117.7 billion, or up 18% from the year ago period and up 3% from the prior quarter, as we continue to add and deepen client relationships across our franchise. Commercial loans increased 17% from the year ago quarter, driven by growth in commercial and industrial loans and commercial real estate balances. Relative to the year ago period, consumer loans increased 22%, reflecting growth in consumer mortgage and Laurel Road. Compared with the third quarter of 2022, commercial loans grew 3% and consumer loans were up 2%. Our commercial growth continues to reflect the strength in our targeted industry verticals and higher line utilization. Our consumer business continues to benefit from residential real estate originations, which were just under $1 billion for the fourth quarter.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Approximately one-third of our originations came from targeted healthcare professionals. Continuing on to slide 7. Average deposits totaled $145.7 billion for the fourth quarter of 2022, down 4% from the year-ago period and up $1.4 billion or 1% compared to the prior quarter. Year-over-year, we saw declines in non-operating commercial deposit balances and retail deposits. The increase in deposit balances from the prior quarter reflect higher commercial deposits due to seasonality and our focus on maintaining a relationship business. Consumer balances declined in the quarter, driven by inflationary spending and the movement of interest of rate-sensitive balances. Interest-bearing deposit costs increased 49 basis points from the prior quarter, and our cumulative deposit beta was 19% since the Fed began raising interest rates in March of 2022.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

We continue to view our strong deposit base as a competitive strength, with approximately 60% of our balances in core consumer and escrow deposits. Over 80% of our commercial deposits were from core operating accounts. Turning to slide 8. Taxable equivalent net interest income was $1.2 billion for the fourth quarter, compared to $1.0 billion in the year-ago period and $1.2 billion in the prior quarter. Our net interest margin was 2.73% for the fourth quarter, compared to 2.44% in the same period last year and 2.74% for the prior quarter. Year-over-year, net interest income and net interest margin benefited from higher earning asset balances and higher interest rates.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Quarter-over-quarter, net interest income and the net interest margin were negatively impacted by higher interest-bearing deposit costs and a change in the funding mix. Later in the quarter, we experienced changing market conditions and customer behavior. Market rates increased more than we expected, and the migration from non-interest-bearing to interest-bearing commercial deposits picked up. This resulted in a higher deposit beta, lower than expected net interest income and net interest margin. Our outlook for 2023 has our cumulative deposit beta peaking in the mid to high 20% range, well below our historic levels. Included in the appendix is additional information on our future net interest income opportunities and asset liability position. Based on our feedback from our shareholders, we have also included detail on maturities of our interest rate swaps and short-term treasury securities.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

As Chris mentioned in his remarks, we have been very intentional in the way we manage interest rate risk with a long-term perspective. Although our position has provided less near-term benefit, we have significant upside over the next two years as our swaps and short-term treasuries mature and reprice. We expect this to drive both our net interest income and our net interest margin higher over the next few years. We believe this is a true differentiator. Moving to slide 9. Non-interest income was $671 million for the fourth quarter of 2022, compared to $909 million for the year-ago period and $683 million in the third quarter.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

The decline in non-interest income from the fourth quarter of 2022 reflects a $151 million decline in investment banking debt placement fees, along with a $35 million reduction in other income, primarily from market-related gains in the year ago period. Additionally, service charges on deposits were $19 million lower due to changes in our NSF/OD fee structure that we implemented in September, as well as lower consumer mortgage income down $16 million. Partially offsetting these declines was an increase in corporate services income up $13 million due to higher derivatives income. Relative to the prior quarter, non-interest income declined $12 million. Service charge on deposit accounts accounted for the majority of the decline, down $21 million, once again reflecting our new NSF/OD fee terms.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Additionally, corporate services income decreased $7 million, driven primarily from a valuation adjustment benefit in the prior quarter. Investment banking fees increased $18 million. I'm now on to slide 10. Total non-interest expense for the quarter was $1.16 billion, down $14 million from the year-ago period and up $50 million from last quarter. Our expenses reflect our ongoing investments in digital, analytics, and our teammates. Compared to the year-ago quarter, we saw declines across most non-personnel line items, including business services and professional fees and operating lease expense. Personnel expense remained flat compared to a year-ago period, reflecting higher salaries and employee benefits, offset by lower incentive and stock-based compensation. Compared to the prior quarter, non-interest expense is up $50 million. Higher non-personnel costs drove most of the increase.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Other expense increased $17 million, reflecting a pension settlement charge in the fourth quarter. Professional fees were higher in the quarter, some of which were temporary in nature. Personnel expense also increased, reflecting lower deferred costs from slower loan originations. Moving on to slide 11. Overall credit quality remains strong. For the fourth quarter, net charge-offs were $41 million or 14 basis points on average loans, which remain near historical low levels. Non-performing loans were $387 million this quarter or 32 basis points of period end loans, a decline of $3 million from the prior quarter. Our provision for credit losses was $265 million for the fourth quarter, which exceeded net charge-offs by $224 million. The excess provision increases our allowance for credit losses, reflecting a more cautious model-driven assumption set.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

For our CECL modeling, we start with the Moody's consensus scenario. This quarter, the consensus estimates reflected a marked slowdown in the economy and meaningful reductions in home prices, both of which impacted our allowance levels. Despite the increases in the allowance, our outlook for net charge-offs in 2023 of 25-30 basis points remains well below our through-the-cycle loss levels of 40-60 basis points. On to slide 12. We ended the fourth quarter with Common Equity Tier 1 ratio of 9.1%, within our targeted range of 9% to 9.5%. This provides us with sufficient capacity to continue to support our customers and their borrowing needs and to return capital to our shareholders. We will continue to manage our capital consistent with our capital priorities of, first, supporting organic growth in our business. Second, paying dividends.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

In the fourth quarter, our board of directors approved a 5% increase, which now places our dividend at $0.205 per common share per quarter. Finally, repurchasing shares. Our current share repurchase authorization of $790 million is in place through the third quarter of 2023. We did not complete any share repurchases in the fourth quarter. On slide 13 is our full year 2023 outlook. The guidance is relative to our full year 2022 results. Importantly, using the midpoints of our guidance ranges would result in another year of positive operating leverage in 2023. We expect average loans will be up between 6%-9%, and average deposits will be flat to down 2%.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Net interest income is expected to be up between 6% and 9%, reflecting growth in average loan balances and higher interest rates. Our guidance is based on the forward curve, assuming a Fed funds rate peaking at 5% in the first quarter and starting to decline in the fourth quarter. These interest rate assumptions, along with our expectations for customer behavior and the competitive pricing environment, are very fluid and will continue to impact our outlook prospectively. Non-interest income is expected to be down 1%-3%, reflecting the implementation of our new NSF/OD fee structure last year and continued challenging capital markets activity, at least for the first half of the year. We expect non-interest expense to be relatively stable with the benefit of the cost takeout opportunities Chris described in his remarks, along with ongoing investments that we will make in our business.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

For the year, we expect credit quality to remain strong and net charge-offs will be in the 25-30 basis point range, well below the through-the-cycle range of 40-60 basis points. Our guidance for our GAAP tax rate is approximately 19%-20%. Finally, shown at the bottom of our slide are our long-term targets, which remain unchanged. We expect to continue to make progress on these targets by maintaining our moderate risk profile and improving our productivity and efficiency, which will drive returns. Overall, it was a solid quarter and a very good finish to another successful year for Key. We remain confident in our ability to grow and deliver on each of our long-term targets. With that, I'll now turn the call back over to the operator for instructions on the Q&A portion of the call. Operator?

[Operator]

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to ask a question, please press one then zero on your telephone keypad. You may withdraw your question at any time by repeating the one-zero command. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up the handset before pressing the numbers. Once again, if you have a question, please press one then zero at this time. One moment, please, for your first question. Your first question comes from the line of John Pancari from Evercore. Please go ahead.

[John Pancari, Senior Managing Director at Evercore]

Morning.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Morning.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

Morning, John.

[John Pancari, Senior Managing Director at Evercore]

I know you mentioned that you saw a step-up in deposit rates late in the fourth quarter. I wonder if you could give us a little more detail of what products and the magnitude that you saw, maybe your, How you see that following through. Then related to that, you also cited a, you know, higher than expected pressure on deposit costs as well, not just a step up, but a greater than expected amount of pressure. Just trying to get a feel around what area surprised you and why do you think, given the outlook around deposit pressures and rates, what was, what attributed to the surprise there? Thanks.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

d, as far as late in the quarter and late November, December, we started to see a different migration pattern as far as some of the deposits and the rates. We saw market conditions start to pick up as far as rates and many products. Our expectation coming into the quarter was continuing to drift up some of the money market rates on deposits, but the customers were migrating more towards time deposits, which had a higher incremental cost than what our assumptions were as far as deposit money market deposit accounts. We also saw a shift away from non-interest bearing accounts at a faster pace than what we would have expected late in the quarter.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Both of those had an impact of driving net interest income down for the current quarter compared to what we would have expected even coming into the end of the quarter. Is also reflected in our outlook going forward. Clark, I don't know if you want to offer up any thoughts as far as trends going forward as far as the deposit rates and betas and what have you.

[Clark Khayat, Chief Strategy Officer at KeyCorp]

Sure. Thanks, Don. A little bit more just to get your question, John, a little more pressure on the commercial side than the consumer side, which would not be unexpected. We did see, as Don mentioned, a rotation out of non-interest bearing to interest bearing. We saw the ending balance of non-interest bearing around 29%. That's a little bit of seasonality, and we've seen that come back. That's a ratio, kind of high 20s that we would expect through the year. That's a little bit better than where we've been historically, which would have been sort of mid-20s. In terms of products and rates, as Don said, CDs coming through, we'd expect the betas for the year to be mid-to high 20s, as Don said in his prepared remarks.

[Clark Khayat, Chief Strategy Officer at KeyCorp]

A little bit, more movement to CDs than money markets than we expected, but we factored that in. That sort of stable high 20s non-interest bearing ratio for the year.

[John Pancari, Senior Managing Director at Evercore]

Okay.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

John, it's Chris. You know, it's interesting. Customer behavior is really hard to model. We wouldn't have expected that the cumulative beta for the first three quarters would have ever been as low as 9%. As we got to the end of the year, it really accelerated. A lot of it was on the commercial side. A lot of it were excess deposits in places like our private banking area. It's been interesting. You know, this has been the steepest rate of increases in the Fed's history. I think some of the conventional curves are, you know, are sort of out the window.

[John Pancari, Senior Managing Director at Evercore]

Okay, thanks, Chris, that helps. I know you mentioned the need for investment and that you're focusing on, you know, ratcheting up investment in certain areas. I wanted to see if you can give us additional color on what changed there in terms of areas that you're investing in, you know, that necessitated the greater pullback in costs elsewhere. Thanks.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

It's really a continuation of the investment, John, that we've been making. The point I was making there was we're not going to cease to invest as we take out costs. When we were at Investor Day a year ago, we talked about growing our consumers by 20% by 2025, focusing really on our growth markets. We're having a lot of success with our younger customers, and we're going to continue to focus both products and marketing in that regard. We talked about hiring bankers. We talked about, we think we have these unique platforms that are under-leveraged, and we talked about increasing our banker population by 25% by 2025.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

Admittedly, last year we tapered off in the back half of the year. The market was obviously overheated. Also, frankly, we saw the downturn coming in the economy. We think it'll be a very good environment to recruit and successfully bring people onto the platform going forward. Lastly was Laurel Road. The commitment we made around Laurel Road, where we've continued to invest, is that we were gonna grow our members from 50,000 to 250,000. This year, we successfully grew by 30%, and we've made a lot of investments expanding to nurses, having a full product line there, buying GradFin, being a leader in Public Service Loan Forgiveness. We're also gonna get into the income-based forgiveness game as well. Those are the three areas.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

It wasn't really new investments so much. It's a continuation of the investments we've made in critical areas of the business, including around things like continuing to migrate to the cloud and investing in digital.

[John Pancari, Senior Managing Director at Evercore]

Okay, Chris. No, that helps clarify that. I appreciate it. That's it for me, and best of luck to you, Don.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Thank you so much.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Manan Gosalia from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

[Manan Gosalia, Executive Director at Morgan Stanley]

Hey, good morning. Can you give us some more color on the reserve build this quarter? You know, to your point, your NCO guide for 2023 is well below your long-term target. I guess what changed in the macro environment that necessitated the reserve build? I guess, is this you being a lot more conservative and should we expect the reserve ratio to stabilize from here? Or could there be factors that drive that reserve ratio higher?

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

Sure, Manan. First of all, thank you for your question. You're right. Despite the fact that we have really good credit metrics, we did in fact build the reserve. If you step back for a second, look at the macro perspective, we believe the economy is clearly slowing. We think the probability of a recession has increased from the third quarter to the fourth quarter of last year. Our base case, by the way, is that there will be a mild recession. There's really 3 drivers of the CECL reserve. The first is the macro view, which I just described, which is the driver for us. The second is loan growth. We obviously have some loan growth. The third is really idiosyncratic risks, specific portfolio, specific credit. That is not driving our reserve build at all.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

Just to kind of bring it to life for you, from the third to the fourth quarter, as we look at our models, we looked at GDP declining by about two-thirds, from sort of 1.3% to 0.4%. Unemployment, going from, say, in the third quarter, we thought it would peak at 4.1%. We now think it'll peak around 5%. Significantly, when we look at things like Home Price Index, in the third quarter, we thought homes were going up by 1.3%. In the fourth quarter, as we modeled it was a decline of 4.6%. Fairly significant quarter-to-quarter change of 5.9%. To bring it back to kind of our portfolio, we, for example, have $21 billion of mortgages. That's about 18% of our loan book.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

It's booking about the FICO scores on those are, say, 761 from memory or some such number. We also say that 40% of our mortgages are 800 or above. I share this texture for you because we are not worried about our mortgage book. As we drive our CECL models, which are forward-looking, the macro drivers have significant impact. I'm just using that as an example for why the reserve build. Does that answer your question?

[Manan Gosalia, Executive Director at Morgan Stanley]

Yeah, that's really helpful. Thanks so much for the color. If you could just round that out with how you're thinking about about the NIM and just managing the NIM as you go through 2023. You know, earlier on, you were in the camp of the Fed keeping rates higher for longer. Has that changed, has that changed how you're managing, you know, putting on any additional swaps or hedges on the books?

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Well, sure. As far as how we're managing it right now, our assumption set is basically that we would just continue at this point in time to replace roll-off of swaps that we have, that we're continuing to evaluate that. I think the challenge that we all have is just with this inverted yield curve is when do you pull the trigger to start to lock in some of that rollover risk and outlook. Right now, we've not embedded any of that into our base assumptions. It's something we'll continue to have as optionality to take care of that in the future.

[Manan Gosalia, Executive Director at Morgan Stanley]

Great. Thanks so much.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Ebrahim Poonawala from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

[Ebrahim Poonawala, Head of North American Banks Research at Bank of America]

Hey, good morning.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

Good morning, Ebrahim.

[Ebrahim Poonawala, Head of North American Banks Research at Bank of America]

I guess, just wanted to follow up on credit. talked about the consumer book and the FICOs. When we look at the commercial book, both on the C&I, CRE, just talk to us about the idiosyncratic risks, means the leverage lending book you provide on slide 15, relatively small. But when we think about the impact from higher rates, cooling demand, and you talked about mild recession as your base case, like where within the CRE and the C&I portfolios do you expect delinquencies to start moving higher? And where's the loss content?

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

Sure. Ebrahim, thanks for the question. You started at the right place where we focus. We focus any place where there's leverage. Obviously, if you think about leverage finance, which by the way, for us is only about 2.5% of our entire loan book, and it's focused in our seven industry verticals, and it has a pretty high turnover. You're exactly right, where there's leverage and you go into a mild recession and you have declining EBITDA, you have to watch that very closely. We feel good about that portfolio. Nothing has bubbled up to the surface, but as you can imagine, we're modeling it very, very regularly. The next area that you mentioned, which I think is really appropriate, is real estate. Real estate is an area that we look at closely.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

What we've done with our real estate business is we've completely rebuilt it around a business that we not only put real estate loans on our books, but we also distribute a lot of paper. It's a little bit of a different business than a lot of our competitors have, Fannie, Freddie, FHA, the life companies, the CMBS market, et cetera. We distribute a lot of risk. We're also focused on very specifically on certain asset classes. The certain asset classes that we're focused on, first and foremost, multifamily, in its broadest sense, but within multifamily on affordable housing. We're watching those closely. Far, the rent uptakes are good. The rents are still holding firm, we feel really good about that portfolio.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

The portfolio that we look at very closely, fortunately, we have very little of it. There's actually two portfolios. The first is B and C-class office space in central business districts. Right now, we're down to $250 million, we're watching that very closely because those buildings are multi-tenant buildings. The reality is whether it's key cutting expenses and getting rid of occupancy costs or any other business, I think that's at real risk going forward. We're watching that closely. The other area where we only have about $1 billion of exposure is in retail. Retail is an area where we keep a close eye. That's kind of how we're thinking about it.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

As you can imagine, we are continually modeling this portfolio as we look at the delta between where they're borrowing and where their debt rolls over.

[Ebrahim Poonawala, Head of North American Banks Research at Bank of America]

Got it. I think in there you mentioned that you're actively de-risking some of these loans. What, what's the market for that in terms of being able to get out of some of these credits without having to take a big mark-to-market or credit charge?

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

There really hasn't been a lot of movement yet. I think people are still Just like in the M&A environment, I think people are in price discovery. Obviously, if you take my example of B and C class office, there's a lot of people that have impaired equity, but I think people are gonna have to frankly endure some more pain before there's a meeting of the minds on kind of how to restructure or how to bring in fresh equity, et cetera.

[Ebrahim Poonawala, Head of North American Banks Research at Bank of America]

Got it. Just one question, Don, on NII. Do you think the mid-to-high 20s beta is conservative enough? I'm just wondering, in a world of 5%+ Fed funds, QT, it's... Like, a lot of banks are kind of nudging their expectations a bit higher. Do you think that sets you up for more downside risk over the next few quarters? Just give a sense of your comfort level with that beta guidance.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

I'll go ahead and offer up some thoughts, and I ask Clark to go ahead and chime in as well. I would say that keep in mind that, as Chris mentioned earlier on, we really were kind of best in class for the first few quarters of this rate increase cycle, that our cumulative deposit beta is at 19%. Most of the peers I'm seeing are closer to the 30% already. We did do a thorough scrub as to where we see rates going. I think what you're seeing and why we have confidence in our deposit beta assumptions is the fact that we have shifted our priority and focus over to more primacy, both on the commercial and consumer side.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

We think that will continue to pay dividends for us as far as keeping our overall deposit costs down. Clark, anything you would add there?

[Clark Khayat, Chief Strategy Officer at KeyCorp]

Yeah. The other point I would add is just that it's less for us about new deposit acquisition. We're always gonna acquire deposits from new clients and new relationships, but a lot of what we're looking at this year is managing clients from product to product, and that just allows us a little bit more flexibility on pricing.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

Ebrahim, the only thing I would add, I agree with everything that Don and Clark said. The thing that I will share with you, though, this is sort of uncharted territory. While we're really pleased with the trajectory of our deposit betas, we're not gonna win the deposit beta battle and win the beta battle and lose the deposit war because, you know, it's very important that we serve our clients, and we keep them here at Key.

[Ebrahim Poonawala, Head of North American Banks Research at Bank of America]

No, makes sense. All right. Thank you very much.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Steven Alexopoulos from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

[Steven Alexopoulos, Managing Director at JPMorgan]

Hey, good morning, everyone.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

Good morning, Steve.

[Clark Khayat, Chief Strategy Officer at KeyCorp]

Good morning.

[Steven Alexopoulos, Managing Director at JPMorgan]

I wanted to start on the loan outlook. If I look at where period end and average loans end in 2022, it appears that you're not looking for much loan growth in 2023 on a period end basis. Can you confirm that and maybe give some color on why such a sluggish outlook? I don't know if you're tightening the credit box or whatnot.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

As Steve, this is Don. As far as the outlook, period balances sometimes can be a little misleading. If you just take a look at the fourth quarter average for total loans at $117 and a half billion dollars, our midpoint of our guidance range is in the $120 million range. All of that really is coming from commercial. With this change in our economic outlook that also influenced our or determined what our allowance was, we've also pulled back on some of the loan growth outlook. You also see, Steve, that our consumer loan balances are flat throughout next year.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

What our expectation is there is that we'll continue to have residential mortgage originations, but that we'll continue to see some of the home equity balances trade down and relatively flat on other consumer categories. So it is very modest incremental growth from here, but we think it's appropriate given the backdrop of the economic outlook we have.

[Steven Alexopoulos, Managing Director at JPMorgan]

Got it. Okay, Don, that's helpful. Then on the reserve build, if the reserve build was a change in the economic assumptions and not idiosyncratic risk, why did that specific re-reserve not go up materially in some of these consumer categories? I know they're smaller, but home equity, consumer direct card, I would have thought if you changed the unemployment rate, et cetera, we would've seen an increase in those as well.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Well, one of the biggest things that Chris talked about were the larger moves with GDP coming down and also the Home Price Index. What you would have seen is the residential real estate backed credits having a larger increase than some of the others. You also factor in the position that our delinquency levels and our criticizing classified levels are still very benign. I think that's why you're not seeing some of those other, quote, "higher risk categories" showing increased reserves because we're not seeing the migration of those portfolios at this point in time.

[Steven Alexopoulos, Managing Director at JPMorgan]

Got it. Okay. Thanks. If I could squeeze one more in. Just looking at the NII guidance, you up 6%-9%. I know you said mid to high 20% range for deposit beta, but what is the assumption, is it mid or high that's underlying this guidance range? What are you assuming the mix of non-interest bearing is by the end of 2023? Thanks.

[Clark Khayat, Chief Strategy Officer at KeyCorp]

Yeah. Hey, Steve, it's Clark. It's the mid to high question is sort of mid to high. It's at a, you know, 27-ish, 28 area for the year on the beta. The non-interest bearing percentage is 29% roughly, high twenties for the year.

[Steven Alexopoulos, Managing Director at JPMorgan]

Okay. Staying pretty flat. Okay. Great. Thanks for taking my question.

[Clark Khayat, Chief Strategy Officer at KeyCorp]

At the period end, it was a little bit lower for seasonality, 32% for fourth on average.

[Steven Alexopoulos, Managing Director at JPMorgan]

Got it. Thanks a lot.

[Clark Khayat, Chief Strategy Officer at KeyCorp]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Gerard Cassidy from RBC. Please go ahead.

[Gerard Cassidy, Managing Director, Head of U.S. Bank Equity Strategy and Large Cap Bank Analyst at RBC]

Hi, guys.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Good morning, Gerard.

[Gerard Cassidy, Managing Director, Head of U.S. Bank Equity Strategy and Large Cap Bank Analyst at RBC]

Don, I think you mentioned in your remarks that there wasn't any share repurchases completed in the fourth quarter. Maybe Chris or Don, what's the outlook for stock buybacks? I may have missed your comments if you gave it, but what's the outlook for stock repurchases in 2023?

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

We're Gerard, we're not assuming that there's gonna be any meaningful stock repurchases. As we look at our balance sheet and supporting our clients, and we look at our second priority, which is paying our dividend, I just don't see us out there repurchasing a lot of shares based on our current modeling.

[Gerard Cassidy, Managing Director, Head of U.S. Bank Equity Strategy and Large Cap Bank Analyst at RBC]

Very good. You talked a lot about what went on with the deposit betas and the mix of deposits in the quarter. Obviously, the, your peers have had similar comments, and the difference that we've saw with Key was that the margin was essentially flat, where others went up. How much of the borrowings... I noticed in your average balance sheet that you included in the press release, your short-term borrowings and long-term borrowings have gone up, and they're much more expensive, of course, than deposit funding. Can you share with us your thinking on how you're using those and why they have been going up?

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Gerard, as far as the funding, what we've seen is that the loan growth throughout the second half of the year especially, it exceeded deposit growth. We were using FHLB and some other issuances to help address the funding needs. I would say that our loan growth outlook and our deposit outlook wouldn't suggest a continuation at the same pace as far as building that other funding sources. We wouldn't expect to see that same type of a growth rate going forward. Near term, we're fine with that. I would say traditionally, we would look at a loan to deposit ratio in the 90%-95% range, and we're still well below that.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

We've got plenty of capacity to continue to leverage that funding source as needed.

[Gerard Cassidy, Managing Director, Head of U.S. Bank Equity Strategy and Large Cap Bank Analyst at RBC]

Very good. Don, good luck in your future endeavors. Thank you.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Thanks, Gerard. Appreciate it.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Scott Siefers from Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

[Scott Siefers, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler]

Morning, everybody. Thank you for taking the call. Hey, Don, with regard to the $1.1 billion of NII repricing benefits to which you guys alluded, I was wondering if you could just sort of walk through the trajectory of when and how those kick in. I mean, I see the repricing numbers in the appendix, which is very helpful, but just would be curious to hear, you know, kind of more vocally how you think about it. Maybe put another way or I wonder if there's an easy frame of reference. You know, what would first quarter 2023 NII look like versus say, you know, fourth quarter 2023 or first quarter 2024?

[Scott Siefers, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler]

Not looking for specific numbers, but is there an easy way to say, "Hey, you know, we sort of trough here and then start to accelerate meaningfully off of here," and if there's a timeframe around that, something like that?

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Well, good. I will offer up a couple quick comments, but turn it over to Clark, because Clark's gonna be the one that's here to deal with that going forward, and I won't be around. We'll go ahead and pass the baton from that perspective. One thing I wanna highlight, though, Scott, is as we take a look, for example, you mentioned the first quarter of 2023. Keep in mind there are some things that impact the first quarter relative to the fourth quarter that are more seasonal. Day count related issues, costs about $20 million from where the fourth quarter is to the first quarter. We also typically see fee income drop from the fourth quarter to first quarter, given the some of the refinance activity on the loan side.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

We would see the first quarter traditionally being the low point for both our net interest income and net interest margin, and would expect to see growth from there. Clark has been spending a lot of time taking a look at strategies as far as the swaps and treasuries. Clark, why don't you take it from there as far as other insights?

[Clark Khayat, Chief Strategy Officer at KeyCorp]

Sure. Just to try to address your question directly, Scott, I think that really the majority of the value is gonna come in 2024. If you think about what's coming off in swaps and treasuries in 2023, that number is about $7 billion-$7.5 billion. It's more like $15 billion in 2024. Think about that kind of two-thirds, one-third almost ratio. I'd say of the number we've shared, which is, again, just to remind you, kind of taking all $29 billion of swaps and $9 billion of treasuries and spot pricing them, again, I think you'd see about a third of that benefit in the 2023 exit run rate.

[Clark Khayat, Chief Strategy Officer at KeyCorp]

The beginnings of, you know, some steepness in that NIM, and then more of that pulling through in 2024, as you'd see, you know, again, the majority of that maybe two thirds or three quarters of that value starting to come through by the end of 2024.

[Scott Siefers, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler]

Okay. Perfect. Thank you. I guess out of curiosity, I'm a little surprised at how well the estimate kinda held in, you know, $1.1 billion versus, I think you were saying $1.2 billion last quarter, just given all the changes in, you know, the way the curve has behaved. What does it take to really move that number one way or another? Is that, is that sort of a $1 billion plus kind of a pretty sturdy number, almost regardless of the way things behave?

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Yeah. I'd say the biggest impact there is the movement in the two-year end of the curve. What we saw was the longer end rates moved a lot more significantly than the two-year point.

[Scott Siefers, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler]

Mm-hmm. Okay. All right. Perfect. Thank you all very much. Don, best wishes.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Thanks so much.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Mike Mayo from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

[Michael Mayo, Equity Research Analyst at Wells Fargo]

Hey.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

Hey, good morning, Mike.

[Michael Mayo, Equity Research Analyst at Wells Fargo]

You know, you guys see financing to wholesale companies from both the lending side and the capital market side. One topic during this earning season is, you know, the capital market conditions are a lot tougher, whereas the lending conditions are not that much tougher. When do you think these will converge? In other words, the pricing in capital markets is much more difficult than the pricing in the lending markets. Are you seeing any firming up, or not?

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

The answer is, Mike, it depends. When I say it depends, it depends on kind of what the customer strata is. 50% of our loans are to investment grade customers, and the adjustments there are immediate. There's a bunch of different inputs, whether people are hedging, putting a swap on, there's multiple people looking at it, et cetera. Where there's a disconnect, and I don't really think the disconnect goes away, is in those kind of quality middle market companies that one bank or one fund can finance. I don't think we've seen. Not I don't think. We haven't seen the adjustment there that you would expect.

[Michael Mayo, Equity Research Analyst at Wells Fargo]

Okay. Do you expect that to change coming up? Just your general outlook on capital markets. That's a nice tailwind at times. Recently, it's been a headwind.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

Sure. I think ultimately things get repriced, and it takes time, whether you're talking about bank debt going into the middle market or you're talking about people doing major strategic acquisitions. My experience is it takes literally over a year for people to kind of readjust their expectations. We're obviously easily 6 months into this. I think the first half in capital markets is gonna be challenging because people still remember what the business or the financing was worth, say, 6 or 8 or 9 months ago. Eventually. And by the way, anyone that's a buyer is acutely aware of how things have been repriced. Those will converge. I think it's gonna be, I think it'll be challenging in the first half of the year, Mike.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

I think this big pent-up backlog will start to kinda, as people go through price discovery, will start to clear out, in the second half of the year.

[Michael Mayo, Equity Research Analyst at Wells Fargo]

All right. Thank you.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

Thank you, Mike.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Ken Usdin from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

[Kenneth Usdin, Managing Director at Jefferies]

Hey, good morning. Don, best of wishes as well from me. I just have to come back and just super clarify, Don. The 27%-28% beta for cumulative, that is interest-bearing that compares to the 19% through 3 quarters?

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Absolutely, yes.

[Kenneth Usdin, Managing Director at Jefferies]

Okay, cool. Just to, you know, I guess the comparison question that I think continues to come up is just that, you know, many peers are talking mid-30s, even low 40s in some of the, some of the calls that we've heard so far. Can you just kind of go one step deeper into the type of pricing assumptions and, you know, I guess within products and businesses that just, you know, gives you that much better relative confidence to peers? Thanks.

[Clark Khayat, Chief Strategy Officer at KeyCorp]

Sure. Ken, it's Clark, I'll pick that up. Again, for us, what we saw in the fourth quarter and what we're looking at in 23 is much less about new to key deposits where those kinda new business rates are much higher, necessarily have to be higher to bring them in versus motion in the book of non-interest bearing to interest bearing or from different account to different account where we can manage that transition a little more comfortably. Given that, what we're avoiding, we think in large parts, is the significant marginal cost of funds that the new price or new offer dollar requires in repricing the larger book.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

The only other thing I would add, Ken, is that right now we're at 19% cumulative. I think most of our peers are close to 30%. By them going to 40% is the same thing as us going to high twenties. The incremental change from this point forward is probably fairly consistent. It's just that we're at a better starting point than peers.

[Kenneth Usdin, Managing Director at Jefferies]

Yeah, that makes sense. It does seem like, though, to get to that point, your incremental interest-bearing deposits costs the betas have to be lower than the 33% in the fourth quarter to square to that.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

As far as the cumulative, probably not, because you've only got a 50 basis point increase going forward as far as rates in 2023. We can go back and reverse engineer the math, but I think it still lines up.

[Kenneth Usdin, Managing Director at Jefferies]

Okay. Just one quick one. Laurel Road origination outlook. Can you give us your updated thoughts there? Thanks, guys.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

Sure, Ken. Laurel Road, obviously from a straight origination outlook perspective, has been challenged. It's been challenged really by three things. One is the federal loan student payment holiday. That's a challenge. I think that's been extended several times. The next is just the rising interest rates, which are a challenge. The third challenge that we've had there is all the discussion around student loan debt forgiveness. Obviously, I think, has some borrowers wanting to stay on the sidelines to preserve optionality. Having said all of that, I was impressed that we were able to originate last year $1.5 billion of refinance loans. Even a bigger picture, Ken, is we are trying to create a national digital affinity bank.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

First of all, those originations will come back, and they'll come back when there's clarity around all the issues I just talked about. There's a bunch of raw material being priced right now that you'll be able to refinance advantageously. In the meantime, what we've done is build this national digital affinity bank that has a full suite of products for doctors, a whole suite of products for nurses. We're getting a 30% cross-sell on the business that we do. There's no question that originations have been challenged, and they'll continue to be challenged in the very near term. What we're trying to do there is a lot broader. This GradFin business that we bought is really interesting because they're the leader in public service loan forgiveness.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

Where you're gonna see a lot of discussion going forward is around this income-based repayments, and we're kind of uniquely qualified to be in there advising on that. Anytime we advise people, obviously we'll bring them on as full customers. Does that answer your question?

[Kenneth Usdin, Managing Director at Jefferies]

No, it does. Thank you, Chris.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

Sure, Ken.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Matt O'Connor from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

[Matt O'Connor, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Deutsche Bank]

Good morning. Sorry if I missed it. What part of the yield curve are we most concerned about as we think about your fixed rate assets rolling? I realize it might be a variety of kind of parts because some are short-term, some are longer-term. As we think about, I think that $1.1 billion you said, you know, what part of the yield curve should we watch, which obviously, you know, longer rates coming in, but shorter rates, you know, staying high.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Yeah, Matt, as far as the $1.1 billion, it's really at 2-3 year end of the curve. That's where we would be looking to extend those swaps when we're in a position to do that. It is in that portion of the yield curve. Beyond that, we also have a little over $1 billion a quarter and rollover our bond portfolio. Then we tend to look at some of their around the 5 year into the curve there. We tend to do more CMO structures and shorter pass through, like 15-year type pass through assets as far as our normal investment strategy there.

[Matt O'Connor, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Deutsche Bank]

Okay. All right. Perfect. Thank you.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Peter from D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

[Kenneth Usdin, Managing Director at Jefferies]

Good morning.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Good morning.

[Kenneth Usdin, Managing Director at Jefferies]

Chris, I heard the comments on the capital markets in the second half of the year. I was just wondering if you could give some more color about the moving parts to the fee income, in 2023 for it being down 1%-3%.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

Sure. There's a few areas where we will get pickup, and then there's a few areas where we've got some headwinds. The areas where we'll get pickup is in our investment banking area. We'll get some pickup in cards and payments. We'll get some pickup in trust. John, do you want to cover the other puts and takes?

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Sure. The largest decline for us will be in the deposit service charges category. We mentioned that this quarter was the first full quarter of the implementation of the NSFOD fee. There's about another $70 million impact in 2023 compared to 2022 for that. Our outlook right now also would suggest that we think that our corporate services income will be down year-over-year just because we've had such a strong program this year as far as derivatives, interest rate swaps and what have you, for customers. We think that with less rate volatility, we'll see less opportunity there for that category. That's the blended impact as to how we get to that down 1%-3%.

[Peter Winter, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson]

Got it. The loan to deposit ratio is now at 85%. Is there a certain level that you don't wanna go above? Secondly, I'm assuming that you're gonna continue to let securities cash flows and use those to kinda help support loan growth.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

We typically would target between 90% and 95%. It's been a long time since we've been up at that level, but that's where we think our balance sheet is still very efficient and access to the capital markets for that national funding source is available and supports that. The second part of the question was? I apologize, Peter. Remind me.

[Peter Winter, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson]

Sure. Just using securities cash flows.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Oh, I apologize. Yes. What we've talked about a lot is that we've got that $9 billion of short-term Treasuries that start to mature later in 2023 and throughout 2024. That can be a very good source of liquidity for us. We're really indifferent whether that replaces funding or whether we roll that over into new securities. If you look at the rest of the portfolio, it's about $40 billion, and we think that's a good core size. We can let a runoff there fund some of the liquidity needs on a short-term basis. Longer term, we think that that's probably a good relative size for the portfolio given our overall liquidity management position.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

Peter, the other thing that I would add to that, as you think about the puts and takes on the balance sheet, is that in the fourth quarter, for example, we put 24% of the capital that we raised, which was $33 billion, on our balance sheet. Historically, that number has been 18%. With the dislocation in all the capital markets, we're able to structure things in a manner that we want and put them on our balance sheet. As these capital markets work their way out, that won't, you know, it will basically start deviating back to kinda 18 type % as opposed to 24%. That's just a little bit of a different wrinkle that I think is pretty, you know, as I said, short term over the next half year or so.

[Peter Winter, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson]

Got it. Thanks. Don, best of luck, and it's been a pleasure, working with you over these years.

[Don Kimble, CFO at KeyCorp]

Right back at you, Peter. Thanks so much.

[Operator]

At this time, there are no further questions. I'll turn it back to you for any closing remarks.

[Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO at KeyCorp]

Well, thank you, operator, and thank you for participating in our conference call. If you have any follow-up questions, you can direct them to our investor relations team, 216-689-4221. I just wanna thank everybody for your interest in Key. On that note, we will hang up. Thank you.

[Operator]

Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude your conference for today. Thank you for your participation and for using AT&T Teleconference. You may now disconnect.

Participants

Executives

• Chris Gorman, Chairman and CEO
• Don Kimble, CFO
• Clark Khayat, Chief Strategy Officer

Analysts

• John Pancari, Senior Managing Director at Evercore
• Manan Gosalia, Executive Director at Morgan Stanley
• Ebrahim Poonawala, Head of North American Banks Research at Bank of America
• Steven Alexopoulos, Managing Director at JPMorgan
• Gerard Cassidy, Managing Director, Head of U.S. Bank Equity Strategy and Large Cap Bank Analyst at RBC
• Scott Siefers, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler
• Michael Mayo, Equity Research Analyst at Wells Fargo
• Kenneth Usdin, Managing Director at Jefferies
• Matt O'Connor, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Deutsche Bank
• Peter Winter, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson