Huntington Bancshares Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript


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Participants

Corporate Executives

  • Timothy Sedabres
    Head of Investor Relations
  • Stephen D. Steinour
    Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
  • Zachary Wasserman
    Senior Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer
  • Richard Pohle
    Executive Vice President, Chief Credit Officer
  • Brendan Lawlor
    Executive Vice President, Deputy Chief Credit Officer

Presentation

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the Huntington Bancshares' Third Quarter Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.

At this time. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Tim Sedabres, Director of Investor Relations.

Timothy Sedabres
Head of Investor Relations at Huntington Bancshares

Thank you, operator. Welcome, everyone, and good morning. Copies of the slides, we will be reviewing today can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website, www.huntington.com. As a reminder, this call is being recorded and a replay will be available starting about one-hour from the close of the call.

Our presenters today are Steve Steinour, Chairman, President and CEO; and Zach Wasserman, Chief Financial Officer; Rich Pohle, Chief Credit Officer; and Brian Lawlor, Deputy Chief Credit Officer will join us for the Q&A earnings documents, which include our forward-looking statements disclaimer and non-GAAP information are available on the Investor Relations section of our website.

With that, let me now turn it over to Steve.

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Thanks, Tim. Good morning, everyone, and welcome. Thank you for joining the call today. We're pleased to announce our third quarter results, which Zach will detail later. Our approach to both our colleagues and customers continues to be grounded in our purpose. Our colleagues again demonstrated that we make people's lives better, help businesses drive, and strengthen the communities we serve.

Now on to Slide 4. There are five key messages we want to leave you with today. First, Huntington is extraordinarily well-positioned to manage through the evolving landscape for banks. The near-term environment includes higher for longer interest rates and uncertain economic outlook, expected new capital regulations as well as heightened regulatory requirements. Huntington operates in this dynamic period from a position of substantial strength. Our balance sheet and risk profile were intentionally built over more than a decade explicitly for these times. Our market position, digital leadership and momentum and core growth strategies put us in a top of the peer set. We intend to lean into this position of strength to drive incremental growth through existing and new capabilities.

Second, we've managed top-quartile CET1 inclusive of AOCI. We will continue to drive additional capital expansion for the remainder of this year and over the course of 2024. Third, we benefit from a cultivated granular deposit franchise and have delivered consistent core deposit growth. Our balance deposit base forms the foundation of our robust liquidity framework and has been a driving factor in our well-managed beta over the rate cycle today. Fourth, credit quality remained strong across our portfolios driven by our disciplined customer selection, underwriting and rigorous portfolio management. This approach is unwavering starting with our tone at the top as we maintain our aggregate moderate-to-low risk appetite.

Finally, we remain intently focused on our core strategy. We are executing with discipline, while expanding with existing and new capabilities to support our long-term growth and very importantly, we are remaining steadfast in our commitment to drive operating efficiency over-time. With continued execution of proactive expense management programs, we expect the level of uncertainty in the near-term and some level of higher expenses to manage through the realities of the current operating environment. However, these investments will also be accompanied by sustained revenue growth and the net result will be a Huntington, that continues to be a strong regional bank with significant growth opportunities ahead.

I will move us on to Slide 5 to further illustrate our position of strength. Our adjusted CET1 ratio is strong and near the top of the peer group. We intend to drive this ratio higher throughout this year and 2024. This plan extends our position of strength, supports continued execution of core growth strategies and puts us well-ahead of the proposed Basel III end game and other requirements. Deposit growth has also outperformed our peers by nearly 10 percentage points since the end of 2021. We've built one of the most granular deposit bases with a leading insure deposit percentage and we continue to drive the expansion of primary bank customer relationships. Our liquidity is best-in class for coverage of uninsured deposits representing nearly twice the level of peers and we already meet the liquidity coverage ratio on an unmodified basis.

Credit metrics are also a differentiator for Huntington with top-quartile net charge-offs compared to peers and our credit reserves, our top-tier. Our management team has a long track-record of disciplined execution. For example, we were recently named the number-one SBA lender nationally for the sixth consecutive year and we continue to expand the reach of this business and our support of access to capital for small businesses. Interest rates continue on a path towards the higher for longer scenario, which we've been anticipating for some time. As rates remain higher, the potential for economic activity to be negatively impacted has increased. However, thus far in the cycle. Overall, our customers are effectively managing through it. We remain highly vigilant and are proactively managing all loan portfolios. Our top-tier credit reserves and expanding capital support our approach to be front footed to take advantage of opportunities to win new customers and grow our businesses.

Zach, over to you to provide more detail on our financial performance.

Zachary Wasserman
Senior Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Thanks, Steve and good morning, everyone. Slide 6 provides highlights of our third quarter results. We reported GAAP earnings per common share of $0.35 and adjusted EPS of $0.36. The quarter included $15 million of notable items which impacted EPS by $0.01 per common share. Return on tangible common equity or ROTCE came in at 19.5% for the quarter. Adjusted for notable items ROTCE was 20%, further adjusting for AOCI underlying ROTCE was 15.3%.

Average deposits grew during the quarter, increasing by $2.6 billion or 1.8%. Loan balances decreased by $561 million or 0.5% of 1% from Q2, driven both by seasonality and our continued optimization. Net interest income on a dollar basis expanded quarter-over quarter driven by a rising net interest margin. We continue to proactively manage expenses and have begun a new set of incremental actions in the third quarter, including branch consolidation, staffing efficiencies, and corporate real estate consolidations. These actions coupled with our ongoing long-term efficiency programs as well as the measures we implemented in Q1 of this year will help us drive rigorous baseline expense efficiency while sustaining capacity for investments in the franchise. Credit quality remained strong with net charge-offs of 24 basis points and allowance for credit losses of 1.96%. Return on capital was robust, driving capital accretion with reported CET1 now above 10%.

Turning to Slide 7. As I noted, average loan balances decreased 0.5% of 1% from Q2, driven primarily by lower commercial loan balances, which decreased by $1.2 billion or 1.7% from the prior quarter. On a year-over-year basis average loans increased 3.3%, reflective of our intentional optimization efforts. Primary components of the commercial loan change included CRE balances, which declined by $387 million driven by pay-downs. Distribution finance decreased $434 million due to normal seasonality with lower dealer inventory levels in the third quarter before the expected inventory build in the fourth quarter. Asset finance decreased by $271 million. Auto floor plan increased by $122 million. All other commercial categories, net, decreased as we continued to drive optimization towards the highest returns. In Consumer, growth was led by residential mortgage and RV/Marine, while auto loan balances declined for the quarter.

Turning to Slide 8. As noted, we continued to deliver consistent deposit growth in the quarter. Average deposits increased by $2.6 billion or 1.8% from the prior quarter.

Turning to Slide 9. We saw sustained growth in deposit balances in the 3rd-quarter including sequential increases during July, August, and September continuing the trend we have seen previously. Importantly, core deposits represented the entirety of the deposit growth for the quarter with broker deposits declining quarter-over quarter.

Turning to Slide 10, non-interest bearing mix-shift continues to track closely to our forecast with the deceleration of sequential changes that we would expect at this point in the rate cycle. The non-interest bearing percentage decreased by 120 basis points from the second quarter and we continue to expect this mix shift to moderate and stabilized during 2024.

On to Slide 11 for the quarter, net interest income increased by $22 million or 1.6% to $1,379 million, driven by expanded net interest margin. We continued to benefit from our asset sensitivity and the expansion of margins that has occurred throughout the cycle with net interest income growing at 9% CAGR over the past two years. Reconciling the change in NIM from Q2, we saw an increase of nine basis points on a GAAP basis and an increase of 10 basis points on a core basis excluding accretion. The drivers of the higher NIM quarter-over quarter were higher spread net of refunds, lower Fed cash balances versus the prior quarter and higher FHLB stock dividends in the quarter.

Interest rates rose during the quarter, particularly at the longer end. And as we expected that drove a net benefit to NIM. In addition, our optimization efforts across both loan growth and funding mix continues to perform very well. These factors resulted in the margin coming in better than we had expected when we shared our outlook in July. We continue to analyze multiple potential interest-rate scenarios. The basis of our planning and guidance continues to be a central set of those scenarios that is bounded on the low-end or the forward yield curve and at the high-end by a scenario the projects rates stay higher for longer. The higher for longer scenario today assumes one additional rate increase in 2023. Flat Fed funds through October of '24 and ends 2024, approximately 75 basis points higher than the forward curve. With the move-in rates higher, we now anticipate net interest margin for the fourth quarter to be around 305 basis points to 310 basis points. This is five basis points to 10 basis points higher than the level we shared previously. Looking further out, our modeling continues to indicate 2024 NIM trending flat to higher from the Q4 '23 endpoint.

Turning to Slide 12. Our cumulative deposit beta through Q3 was 37% up five percentage points from the prior quarter tracking closely to our expectations. Sequential increases in beta are slowing quarter-over quarter as we have forecasted as the interest-rate cycle nears or hits its peak. As we have noted in the past our beta ultimately tops out will be a function of the end game for the rate cycle in terms of the level and timing of the peak, the duration of any extended pause before a decrease. Given the outlooks for possibly a higher peak and very likely a more extended pause than was the case three months ago, our current outlook for deposit beta is to trend a few percentage points higher than our prior guidance of 40%. We will have to see how the rate environment plays out into 2024 to know with certainty. What is critical in our view is to ensure we continue to manage both deposit and loan pricing exceptionally rigorously, drive asset yields higher, deliver solid incremental returns, and deliver a better overall NIM from the higher for longer rate environment as a result.

Turning to Slide 13 and expanding on my point on loan yields. The construct of our balance sheet is approximately half fully variable-rate. 10% indirect auto, which has a shorter approximately two-year duration fixed product, 10% in arms with a five-year duration and the remainder of approximately 30% is longer duration fixed. This mix contributes to the asset sensitivity of our overall balance sheet and has helped us to benefit significantly from the current rate cycle. We are seeing solid increases in fixed asset portfolio yields. Given the higher for longer rate environment, we expect to continue to benefit from this fixed asset repricing going forward supporting the higher NIM outlook.

Turning to Slide 14, our level of cash and securities was down slightly from the prior quarter as we lowered some of the elevated cash we've been holding in Q2. During Q3, we did not reinvest securities cash flows and the securities balance moved modestly lower as proceeds were held in cash given the attractive short-term rates. We're managing the duration of the portfolio lower continuing our management approach since 2021.

Turning to Slide 15, our contingent and available liquidity continues to be robust at $91 billion and has grown quarter-over quarter. At quarter-end, this pool of available liquidity represented 204% of total uninsured deposits a peer-leading coverage.

Turning to Slide 16, we continue to be dynamic in adding to our hedging program during the quarter. Our objectives remain twofold, to protect capital and operate scenarios and to protect NIM in downright scenarios. The most substantive increase was an addition to our forward-starting pay-fixed swaps and strategy, which increased by $5.9 billion during the quarter to $15.5 billion total. This program is intended to protect capital from tail risk in substantive upgrades scenarios and once again benefited us as rates moved higher in the quarter. We also added $2 billion in collars to support our NIM against longer-term down rate scenarios.

Moving on to Slide 17, GAAP non-interest income increased by $14 million or 2.8% to $509 million for the third quarter. Excluding the mark-to-market on the PF swaptions fees were relatively stable quarter-over quarter. On an underlying basis compared to the second quarter, we saw increases in deposit service charges, including higher payment-related treasury management fees. This growth was largely offset by lower capital markets fees.

Moving on to Slide 18, we're seeing encouraging an sustained underlying trends across our three areas of strategic focus, for-fee revenue growth. Capital markets, which has grown by a 19% CAGR over the past six years benefits from a broad set of capabilities, bolstered by Capstone. While 2023 has certainly been a challenging environment for capital markets activities in both advisory and several credit-driven products, forward pipelines with an advisory are solid and we continue to foresee this as a primary contributor to fee revenue growth over the moderate term.

Our payments businesses represent one of the biggest opportunities for both relationship deepening and revenue growth across both treasury management and card categories. In Wealth Management, we see a great opportunity to increase the penetration of the offering across our customers leveraging our number-one ranking for trust, as we grow advisory relationships and drive higher managed assets with recurring revenue streams.

Moving on to Slide 19 on expenses. GAAP non-interest expense increased by $40 million and underlying core expenses increased by $25 million. As I mentioned, we incurred $15 million of notable item expenses related to the staffing efficiency program and corporate real estate consolidations. Excluding these items, core expense growth compared to the prior quarter was driven by higher personnel, occupancy, professional services and consisted of smaller items within all other expenses. We have taken proactive actions throughout the year to support the low-level of core underlying expense growth we have delivered. In the first-half of the year, we executed on a voluntary retirement program organizational realignment moving from four revenue segments to two and 31 branch consolidations.

Now, in the third quarter, we're taking another set of incremental actions. We are accelerating the implementation of our business process offshoring program and we're creating efficiencies throughout the organization with the goal of prioritizing resources for the largest growth opportunities in the near-term. We're also driving incremental saves in our corporate real estate footprint as well as implementing another set of branch consolidations with 34 plant closures, early next year. These actions demonstrate our commitment to disciplined expense management and will support the continued investment into critical areas of the company to drive long-term value. As we manage expenses, we're balancing both short-term investment and revenue growth with the longer-term opportunities we know are in front of us.

Slide 20 recaps our capital position. Reported common equity Tier-one increased to 10.1% and has increased sequentially for four quarters. OCI impacts to common equity Tier 1 resulted in an adjusted CET1 ratio of 8%. Our capital management strategy will result in expanding capital while maintaining our top priority to fund high-return loan growth. We're actively managing adjusted CET1 inclusive of AOCI, and expect to drive that ratio higher over the course of 2024.

On Slide 21, credit quality continues to perform very well with normalization of metrics consistent with our expectations. As mentioned, net charge-offs were 24 basis points for the quarter and while higher than last quarter by eight basis points are tracking to our guidance for full-year net charge-offs between 20 basis points and 30 basis points. This level continues to be at the low-end of our target through-the-cycle range for net charge-offs of 25 basis points to 45 basis points.

As previously guided, given ongoing normalization nonperforming assets increased from the previous quarter and the criticized asset ratio increased with risk rating changes within commercial real estate being the largest component. Allowance for credit losses is higher by three basis points to 1.96% of total loans and our ACL coverage ratio is amongst the highest in our peer group.

Let's turn to our outlook for the fourth quarter on Slide 22. We forecast loan growth of approximately 1% in the fourth quarter, which would put full-year loan growth at approximately 5%, matching the lower-end of our prior range. Deposits are likewise expected to grow in the fourth quarter by approximately 1%. Core net interest income for the fourth quarter is expected to decline between 4% and 5% from Q3 before expanding throughout 2024 from that level. Non-interest income on a core underlying basis is expected to be relatively stable. Expenses are expected to increase between 4% and 5% into the fourth quarter, primarily driven by revenue-related expenses associated with the expected growth in capital markets, a seasonal increase in medical claims and sustained investment in new and enhanced capabilities. We expect net charge-offs for the full-year to be near the midpoint of the 20 basis points to 30 basis points guidance range.

Finally, let me close on Slide 23, with a few thoughts on our management priorities for 2024. We're still finalizing our budget for next year, and as always, we look to share more specific guidance during our January earnings call. First and foremost, we are committed to driving continued capital expansion. While we continue to optimize the lending growth to drive the highest returns. As Steve mentioned, we're playing from a position of strength and we expect to maintain our position as we get ahead of proposed capital regulations and phase-in periods.

Related to deposits, we're continuing to acquire and deepen primary bank customer relationships. This should result in continued growth of deposits into next year, while supporting our disciplined management of deposit beta. Given the expected higher for longer rate scenario, we will continue to position the balance sheet to remain modestly asset-sensitive, which will support the margin and we expect will deliver growth in net interest income dollars on a full-year basis. Non-interest income remains a critical focus for us with sustained execution on three primary strategic areas for-fee revenue growth capital markets, payments and wealth management. Over the medium-term, we expect non-interest income has the potential to grow at a rate more quickly than both loans and spread revenues given the opportunities for these fee businesses. As I mentioned on expenses. We have taken considerable actions to hold baseline expense growth to a low-level. This is focused on sustained efficiencies including operation accelerate, business process offshoring, and the other actions will yield multiyear benefits. These actions are necessary to allow for the continued investment into new and enhanced capabilities, which will set-up growth over the course of the next few years.

We expect the net result of these actions for 2024 will be an underlying growth rate of core expenses somewhat higher than the level we saw in 2023. Our current working estimate is underlying expense growth of approximately 4% compared to the approximately 2.5% level, we were running in 2023. We believe this level of expense management is the right balance to position the company to operate within the current environment and sustain our momentum into 2025. We will also maintain our rigorous approach to credit management, consistent with our aggregate moderate-to-low risk appetite.

Finally to close, we believe we are exceptionally well-positioned to proactively stay ahead of the evolving environment. We will be dynamic and address these numerous topics head-on and over-time, we believe this will result in opportunities to benefit substantially in the coming years.

With that, we will conclude our prepared remarks and move to Q&A Tim, over to you.

Timothy Sedabres
Head of Investor Relations at Huntington Bancshares

Thanks, Zach. Operator we will now take questions. We ask that as a courtesy to your peers, each person ask only one question and one related follow-up. And then if that person has additional questions, he or she can add themselves back into the queue. Thank you.

Questions and Answers

Operator

Thank you. At this time we'll be conducting a question-and-answer session [Operator Instructions] Thank you. And our first question is from the line of Manan Gosalia with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Manan Gosalia
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Hi, good morning.

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Good morning, Manan.

Zachary Wasserman
Senior Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Good morning, Manan.

Manan Gosalia
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Can you talk about the puts and takes in that 4% expense growth number for next year. What sort of revenue environment does that bake in? What are the areas that are pushing up expenses and maybe also what you have flexibility to manage more if the revenue environment is weaker?

Zachary Wasserman
Senior Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Yes, great question. And this is Zach, I'll take that one. And just to preface it set of framework for the answer. Not to reiterate what I said in the prepared remarks, which is driving efficiency in our core expenses that a key priority for us. We are one of the most efficient banks in the regional banking space and that's been the product of years of average and what we're trying to do right now is striking balance of the short-term and the medium-term. In the short-term. Management expenses to a lot of upward growth given the overall revenue environment but also in the medium-term, we see significant growth opportunities over-time for Huntington from automation can maintain to the momentum in our key strategies. And if I could capture the higher revenue outlook to the share. Even as we quickly get ahead swaps that were quickly get ahead of the new and expanded risk abilities that we will need to operate.

We take a step-back, just over a year-ago and we will delivering of over $0.5 billion of annual expense saves from the TCF merger. Over the last year since then, we saw underlying core expenses to 2.4% and we did a lot of the programs, I just talked about in the prepared remarks, the long-term efficiency programs, the proactive actions we took in the first quarter of this year, and now, a new set of actions that were implemented in the third quarter including another tranche of branch optimization, accelerating the business process offshoring, driving efficiencies across the bank and funding efficiencies in our real estate portfolio.

As We look at '24, to your question, we're seeing the opportunity for incremental revenue upside, particularly in the really strong performance we've seen in our new management program, which is higher than our prior outlook and good momentum in both these businesses as we look forward. We want to quickly address the lessons learned from the last year's environment, address the new regulations coming around Basel CCAR resolution planning and ultimately enhance our risk management so we can operate in from a position of strength, just as we are right now going forward, which will require investment. So, the kind of things that are driving that, roughly 1.5% higher run-rate., our investment teams like treasury risk management technology. It's was a focus on enhancing, underwriting process capabilities and automation. The goal and the advantages of that is to get ahead of these requirements to quickly move to the security. We expect to see around a year's worth of this higher executive run rate expenses were up 1.5%, higher, and then that expense growth rate will come back-down, we've actually in 2024 and we will see the underlying core expense management come through. It all goes back to the goal of maintaining our vibrancy, our momentum ensuring that the Huntington team continues to be a position strength to go forward.

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

This is Steve. We think this is the time to be dynamic to play offense to be for the in terms of a number of our businesses and we intend to do that and that will require investment, we will have more pilots. For example, if you go, we will have some new capabilities, all of which are in the and the numbers, Zach, shared with you.

Manan Gosalia
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Got it. And then just putting it together because you mentioned your modeling NII trends higher as you go through 2024, there is more upside to fees. How does that play into operating leverage for next year? Do you still think you can drive positive operating leverage?

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Although, we don't give precise guidance on that, but driving toward operating leverage overtime is a key element of our goals. Remember, that was one of the three major financial targets that we set for ourselves and we do see solid opportunity for revenue growth this year-on both and fees. I would stress again coming back, what's critical for us as management is in terms of this line and we want to make sure that we can maintain this fiscal investments given that's driving the efficiency and expense growth rate, positive operating leverage over-time will have part of the and see the precise outlook for '24 [Indecipherable].

Manan Gosalia
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

I appreciate the detailed answers. Thank you.

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of John Pancari with Evercore ISI. You see with your question.

John Pancari
Analyst at Evercore ISI

Good morning.

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Good morning, John.

Zachary Wasserman
Senior Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Good morning.

John Pancari
Analyst at Evercore ISI

Just on the net interest income front. I know you indicated that you imply to, you expect a trough in the fourth quarter and then expanding through 2024, maybe can you help us frame the magnitude of growth do you think is achievable under the current curve assumption as you look at the the NII upside. And then, I guess the same question would be for your commentary around the margin in terms of expansion through the year. Maybe if you can help us size that up in terms of what's a fair assumption based on what you're looking at.

Zachary Wasserman
Senior Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Yeah, it's a great question, this is Zach. I'll take that one. I think just that saw in the third quarter, really highlighted the effectiveness of our overall asset sensitivity investment program. We saw NIM expand and the benefits of about the repricing really coming through consumer into a stronger NIM. What we saw in the third quarter was about 10 basis points increase in NIM from the second quarter. Around half of that, I will note our items that were temporary in nature reducing our Fed cash in Q3 from Q2 to drill roughly rates twice and we got some elevated levels of dividend from the FHLB stock, that was a function of Q2 FHLB borrowing, those items both recur. However, we did see a positive 400 basis points move when we saw underlying strength in the third quarter, as I noted. As we think about Q4, our expectation is to have see new of between 305 basis points and 310 basis points, which is around five basis points or 10 basis points better than I would have thought this time last quarter and it's really driven by the benefits we're seeing coming through from the higher for longer rate scenario, which we've noted, we would expect to see accretive in NIM overall and that is bearing fruit.

Based on the trends you're seeing, earning assets, expect the dollars of NII 40% down 4% to 5% from Q3 and forming a trough, both in new ratio and NIM, net interest income dollars in the fourth quarter, and trending higher from there. So the NIM outlook for 2024, I expect to be flat and rising as I noted and I think the things that we are continuing to see are continued solid progress on the fixed asset repricing. Major asset categories on the fixed slightly this quarter seen again sequential increases in Q3 more that continuing on, particularly in the higher for longer scenario. Clearly, you see data continuing to trend as well. It will be accretive to overall spread throughout the course machines.

We will also benefit as we noted before during 2024 from a gradual reduction in the negative carry from the receiver swap hedges portfolio. We roughly five basis points over the course of next year on that benefit maybe in the second half of the year. So a couple of that flat to rising year-on-year with growth in loans growth and have been earning assets, good. I think it will drive overall NII dollars higher. We'll get more precise drives us against January, but those are the major drivers that we're seeing at this point.

John Pancari
Analyst at Evercore ISI

Very helpful. Zach. Thank you for that. And then separately on credit. Criticized loans up 17% linked-quarter, it looks like and then I believe you alluded to in your comments, a lot of that was commercial real estate. Can you. And I know you added to your reserve and commercial real estate non-performers are also up pretty sharply. Was there a dedicated effort to scrub the portfolio that you're working through your exposures there that drove a lumpier move here or is this the deterioration that's starting to take shape as we all expect in this sector.

Richard Pohle
Executive Vice President, Chief Credit Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Hey, John, it's Rich, let me start with that and then I can turn it over to Brendan to give you a little bit more color on what happened in the third quarter. So if you think back to Q2, our NPAs were at 46 basis points, which was the lowest level we've had since the GFC and we've had eight consecutive quarters of declines, totaling over $450 million since then. The Q3 level that we're at today of 52 basis points is right around where we were at this time last year. So to me it's not at a level that's concerning to your point around being proactive, we have done a lot of the ads to non-accrual that we had in the quarter were discretionary with about two-thirds of our commercial NPLs are current on their principal and interest.

The [Indecipherable] classes is similar story. We had reduction in five quarters of the six previous quarters and as you talk about credit normalizing, you would expect to see an increase in credit class on from that, so I wouldn't categorize the movements, John, so I think it's just normalization of variable levels for us, Brendan why don't you give a little bit of insight into the Q3 specifics.

Brendan Lawlor
Executive Vice President, Deputy Chief Credit Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Sure, thanks, Rich. To provide a little bit more color approximately for credit class, approximately 60% of the increase was focused in commercial real estate and our ABL Group. So two places that we expect to see higher levels. On the NPA side, it was split more equally between commercial real estate and C&I. For both NPA and [Indecipherable]. As you noted, the real estate, the real estate exposure is focused mostly in office. And on the C&I side, on the ABL concentration as I mentioned. The reservoir raw material concentration, so I think what you're seeing in the numbers as Rich said is just about up very low bar.

John Pancari
Analyst at Evercore ISI

Okay, thank you appreciate the digital.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Ebrahim Poonawala with Bank of America. Please proceed with your questions.

Ebrahim Poonawala
Analyst at Bank of America

Hey, good morning.

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Good morning, Ebrahim.

Ebrahim Poonawala
Analyst at Bank of America

Just maybe a question for you, Steve. I think. I mean, you talked about being transported that are banks that are talking about coming back to loan growth next year but I'm just wondering if there's going to be a ton of loan demand to speak of for banks to lend into. Just give us a sense of what you're seeing across your footprint where that loan demand is coming from or are you seeing customers get increasingly cautious.

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Ebrahim, great question. Thank you. I believe there is a growing cautiousness. What's going on in Israel, the least what's going on in Washington. We've got a UAW strike. Does not have an apparent resolution. I think, businesses are reacting to that, 99% of our customer-base are privately-owned companies. Rates are up, they're using their liquidity but uncertain economic outlook and where rates are going. All sort of our headwinds to the next round of growth.

Having said that our businesses are doing well, we'll have good growth with the guidance that we gave you, that Zach gave you earlier in the year will be up about 5% year-over-year and we'll continue to see growth next year. I believe there are a couple of areas, in particular. Our distribution finance is a powerful engine, it is seasonally reduced this quarter that will be up that in the fourth quarter and we expect to continue to run that by winning new business. We are a significant equipment finance vendor and more-and-more luxury, more automation will be continued demand, albeit probably not at the levels we saw in '22 and before that will say well and we're attached to that asset-based. So all of those asset-related to the activities should do well in this environment.

And as you know, we are huge small-business bank. Small businesses will need more support and we'll be there for them, and those also will be sources of growth, but there is a there is an overall more cautious outlook within our customer-base. Just that we'll have some minor impacts I think on overall loan demand next year.

Ebrahim Poonawala
Analyst at Bank of America

Got it that's helpful and a follow-up. Zach, you mentioned solid increases in fixed asset portfolio yields of daily price. Just talk to us in terms of when these are coming up for repricing is it just kind of playing out contractually. Are you -- is there some negotiation in terms of the spreads are narrowing at the time of the pricing of these fixed-rate loans and if that kind of impacting credit trends as some of the borrowers are looking a bit worse in terms of their ability to service the debt post repricing.

Zachary Wasserman
Senior Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Yes. Great questions, and let me address those. So what I'd say is, in terms of the trajectory on asset yield, taking a step back, over 200 basis points through the cycle to date, and it's really been a couple of things, most notably an intentional outcome that we've had in terms of how we're incrementally driving new loan production into -- and really driving for higher returns, which also is often higher NIM. And so we're seeing that come through in a lot of the areas where we're actively modulating and optimizing indirect auto, for example, is a great example that fuels up tremendously on the [Indecipherable] course of the cycle.

It's also though just a natural outcome of the structure of the balance sheet. And one of the reasons why we added the slide we did this quarter in terms of -- detail there was to just provide more transparency into that. We're around 50% fully variable. So you're seeing benefits of higher rates come through on that portfolio. Another roughly 10% in shorter durated fixed indirect auto. As I just noted, we're seeing really sizable increases in portfolio yield there. Another 10% in arms with a five-year duration, which we're gradually seeing that come through. In the higher for longer scenario, every one of those fixed asset categories, including the longer durated remaining third of the portfolio are really seeing the benefit and we've seen just in Q3, 50 basis points increase in the coupon yields across the portfolio, greater than 20 basis point increase in back book portfolio yields. And I do think that will continue to trend here be more than a key drivers for NIM stability and growth as we go into 2024. We're not seeing any substantive portfolio-wide credit-driven yield repricing substance and really, it's much more fundamental as I noted.

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Ebrahim, just to add, we've got a very diversified portfolio. We've been very disciplined with our aggregate moderate to low risk appetite over the years, you've seen us report quarterly since 2010 on the consumer book, which is super prime, prime auto and resi, etc. So we're sitting in a position we feel is strong, we have confidence in the portfolio and our ability to manage through even in a tougher cycle. And as we've said to our customer base, we've got a relationship orientation. We're here to support them, and we will -- we're in a position to do that with our reserves, our capital, our robust liquidity and that leads us to this stance of playing offense and moving share during these next couple of years.

Ebrahim Poonawala
Analyst at Bank of America

Got it. Thank you.

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question, sir, from the line of Scott Siefers with Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your questions.

Scott Siefers
Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies

Good morning, everyone.

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Good morning, Scott.

Scott Siefers
Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies

Thanks for taking the question. I just wanted to clarify if I heard correctly just on the NII. Are we expecting it to grow full year 2023 -- pardon me, full year 2024 over 2023 or just positively off the fourth quarter base?

Zachary Wasserman
Senior Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Well, Scott, it's a great question. [Indecipherable] option to clarify both. As we see the trajectory of growth out the year and on a net basis, full year growth as well, which is going to be a function of NIM, flat to rising NIMs and been pretty comparable overall full year NIM year-on-year as well as growth in earning assets and loans.

Scott Siefers
Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies

Okay. Perfect. Thank you for that. And then I wanted to kind of revisit the cost equation a bit. Maybe on the initiatives that you began in the third quarter, maybe just some thoughts on how substantial they are? And I guess ultimately -- I guess the question becomes, we'll have about 4% expense growth despite these initiatives sort of begs what cost growth might have been without them. So just any sort of further thoughts on exactly where we're investing, what this will ultimately end up driving etc.

Zachary Wasserman
Senior Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Yeah, it's a terrific question. Will ask Steve to expand on that. If I think about the equation that we were managing in 2023, we've been seeing around a 2%, 2.5% underlying expense growth and that's with the benefit of significant efficiencies that we're generating this year. I estimate that's around 1% benefit in expenses in 2023 for these cumulative initiatives we are running for the last six months, 18 months and self-funding underlying investments. We've talked about this model before, driving efficiencies is the core, keeping the underlying core at a low level with the funnel and outsized level of investment and expense growth into key investment earnings like tech, marketing, new additions of personnel to support new strategies, those underlying investments are up almost 20% in 2023, which is what we will hold the competitive capabilities that we've got.

As we go into -- that model is what drove the overall roughly 2.5% growth that we saw in 2023. I think what we're seeing as we go into 2024 is roughly similar to sort of the underlying expense management program, really modeling down somewhat the underlying adjustments in light of the environment, clearly, but also bearing some modest incremental impacts of just the cumulative inflationary environment and the efficiencies will rise as well. And so, the net kind of underlying run rate that I would have expected into next year is around 2.5%.

And then on top of that, we are accelerating, again, these investments in regulatory response, risk management capabilities that represents the additional 1.5% expense growth as we go into next year. That's the 4% trajectory. If I think about where we're investing just to touch on this briefly, the continued focus on core strategy investments, delivering the TCF revenue synergies, growing our commercial bank through vertical specialized -- specialties, expertise, digital and product development in our Consumer Banking and Business Banking division continue to drive the fee revenue strategies and capital markets, payments and wealth. And then on top of that, clearly dealing with these additional areas around Basel III, CCAR, liquidity, interest rate risk management, resolution planning and data and alteration.

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Scott, this is Steve. Just to add on. You'll also see several new initiatives that are also included in that number of 4% and we'll be announcing Q4 and Q1.

Scott Siefers
Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies

Okay. Perfect. And I guess just one final ticky-tack question. The fourth quarter cost increase, will that include any unusual charges the way we saw this quarter?

Zachary Wasserman
Senior Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Huntington Bancshares

So we saw around $15 million of onetime costs this quarter. Some portion of the onetime costs that we expect to arise as a result of the new initiatives were taking place, we're not able to be accounted for within the third quarter. I'm expecting roughly $10 million additional onetime expenses in the fourth quarter related to those same initiatives. That's not included in the guidance that I gave earlier relatively to the grand scheme of things. So the total one-timers related to those actions, I expect to be approximately $25 million in total, which, again, we've taken $15 million in the grand scheme of things.

Scott Siefers
Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies

Okay. Perfect. Thank you all very much.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Matt O'Connor with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Matthew O'Connor
Analyst at Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft

Good morning.

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Good morning.

Matthew O'Connor
Analyst at Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft

So just circling back on capital, obviously, strong, really any ratio you look at including AOCI and I understand the logic of building capital from here given uncertain macro and you're kind of leading in the business but is there a level that you're like once we get here, it's just more than we need under almost any scenario, and you'd look to deploy it more aggressively?

Zachary Wasserman
Senior Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Yes. It's a great question. Let me take a minute to expand on that. As you know, driving capital higher from here is a key focus. We have fully transitioned within the company to managing the primary metric of adjusted CET1, inclusive of AOCI. And on that basis, we're at 8% in the third quarter, our operating range for CET1 is between 9% to 10% and so we want to drive that 8% ratio up into that operating range of between 9% and 10%, and that's the key goal.

I think by the time we get there, I expect that -- we have significant confidence in being able to do that, by the way, over time. By the time we get there, presumably we'll have clarity around the final Basel III requirements, any other implications to capital coming out of the new regulatory environment. And we'll be able to also reassess where the macro environment is and where the lending trajectory are, look to the question we answered earlier. And so, hard to tell sort of exactly where within that range we will want to go but my expectation is once we get into that range, but we have opportunity to get back to a more normalized capital distribution model, support elevated and longer-term run rate levels of loan growth that we've seen in the past and move through it.

I'll just tack on our current working hypothesis and modeling estimate around the Basel III proposal, if it was adopted exactly as was proposed, just roughly 5% increase in RWA based on the phase-in schedule that was proposed as part of the NBR that wouldn't be phased-in until 2027, and will represent about 40 bps of CET1 in 2027. Again as that proposal is written. And so part of this is just quickly get ahead of that even if it's far out of time [Indecipherable] and allow us to really move forward on our front foot starts in 2025 and beyond from an accelerated loan growth perspective.

Matthew O'Connor
Analyst at Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft

Got it. That was helpful. And then just quickly squeeze the mark-to-market impact of the swaptions, maybe it's a silly question, but do we just kind of put in some gains when rates go up and then if rates go the other way, is it mark-to-market on the negative side or how should we think about modelling that and the drivers?

Zachary Wasserman
Senior Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Let me expand on that, and I'll [Indecipherable] just modelling question. Just the strategy of those instruments was to protect capital against really substantive up-rate scenarios. When we purchased them, they were roughly 200 basis points out of the money. We got about nine months to 12 months of forward life and they would be designed to protect a third to maybe as much as 45% of the securities value at risk in those really substance about 200 basis point to 300 basis point shock scenarios.

I think the -- we put a lot of them on early in the second quarter. We added to that portfolio earlier in the third quarter. And we see -- we spent roughly $30 million in premium. So in our view, a pretty small insurance policy for a very significant benefit in those shock scenarios. What we've seen thus far is gains. We saw $18 million of gain in Q2, a $33 million of gain in Q3. That's a $51 million cumulative gain. I'll tell you, if you were to strike them right now, you see another gain in the fourth quarter but really in March at the very end of the quarter.

The answer is yes, in the near term. If rates rise, you will see a gain in them. If rates fall, you would see a loss in them. The key thought process for us is how critical is that insurance policy to continue to maintain. And so versus the game in them. If we continue to hold them, I would expect that over time, they would expire unused and out of the money. You see that gain run back through as a negative through fee income if they largely closed out, and we will be dynamic in continuing to watch the interest rate outlook with a primary focus on protection capital. At this point, again, pretty deminimus cash outlay for a really strong insurance policy.

Matthew O'Connor
Analyst at Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft

Okay, that makes sense. Thanks for that detail.

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Yeah.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Ken Usdin with Jefferies. Please proceed with your questions.

Kenneth Usdin
Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group

Hey, good morning. Steve. I know you talked about generally a little bit of softening demand out there, but I wanted to just ask you on your auto business. I did notice that your originations were up, and, obviously, a lot of a lot of peers have pulled away from this business and it's a business that you guys have been historically very strong and now has really good incremental yield. Just wondering if that's at all an opportunity set and have you kind of -- how do you think through reengaging there as one of those potential growth -- growth engines, especially as you've been able to show the deposit stability. Thanks.

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Ken, great question. And auto has performed very, very well for us. We have confidence in its credit and spreads are very attractive. It's a cyclical product and in the past, we -- when spreads have widened, we've chosen to do a bit more. We'll be dynamic as we look at this as the interest rate environment clarifies. And it's a short -- it's a relatively short asset. It's roughly a two-year average duration. So we like this asset class a lot, and we certainly like it counter cyclically and that will be something we'll be looking at closely as we go into 2024 and 2025.

Kenneth Usdin
Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group

Okay, great. And then last thing, Zach, just looking at what you moved around a little bit on the swaps portfolio, can you just kind of walk us through some of your decision trees with regards to this-- this quarter's terminations and locking in here and any anticipated future activity you're thinking about in terms of just the book as it stands going forward. Thank you.

Zachary Wasserman
Senior Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Absolutely, absolutely. And I will tell you this is a very dynamic and active discussion, it's really a pretty rigorous data and analysis process that we do and it's always focused on two key strategies. Protecting capital against upgrade scenarios and projecting NIM against downgrade scenarios. I'd like -- in the prior question around the pay fix swaptions, you did add during the quarter to that, anticipating that rates had the strong potential of moving higher and want to protect capital against that and we did raise [Indecipherable] as you saw, clearly, and so that benefited us there but what's interesting as well is that the curve has steepened, the long end has come up as much as it has. The opportunity to optimize and can take incremental downgrade hedging opportunities in a more efficient manner with less upfront negative carry is increasing. I would say as it relates to that, our view is still lagging into it, no big bets, and we're seeing very significant benefits that come through in the base asset sensitivity, clearly, but over the longer term, I think out into 2025, 2026, 2027, we certainly want to protect those revenue streams and we will see the opportunity to increase downward hedging here if the environment continues to be what it is.

In the meantime, it's more of an optimization effort, I would say. You saw us exit some received fixed swaps in Q3. This was mainly a shorter duration, just less efficient structures by exiting them, it increased the capacity to re-up for longer structures. We entered in some collars, which would give us the option for downgrade hedging rates are attractive out of the future. And I do suspect that there'll be more of that downgrade hedging opportunity as we go throughout Q4 and into the part of next year if the curve continues to be the way it's shaped now. Okay. And is there a way of kind of just putting all that together in terms of like the net impact of the swaps book on your NII and is that getting better going forward or worse? Can you just kind of help us put it in context, if you can? Yes. Yes. That's a great question. So just zooming into 2024 for a second, based on the swaps that we've got in the portfolio today, I do expect we're seeing roughly a 15 basis point to 17 basis point drag in the current scenario, it's 15 basis point in Q3, I expect to be roughly 17 bps of drag in Q4 of 2023 from the overall swaps coming through NIM. As I noted one of the earlier questions in this hour, by 2024, I expect that to reduce by about five bps, particularly into the second half of the year when the curve starts to fall in the forecast. So that's probably the best way to answer your question. And the goal is to call it a NIM really just to support it in this type of range for years we can.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is from the line of Erika Najarian with UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Erika Najarian
Analyst at UBS Group

Hi, good morning. My questions have been asked and answered. Thank you.

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Thanks a lot, Erika.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Jon Arfstrom with RBC Capital Markets.

Jon Arfstrom
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Hey, thanks, good morning.

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Good morning, Jon.

Jon Arfstrom
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Rich or Brendan, what's the message you want to send us on the outlook for provision and reserves, I mean it feels like you feel fine on credit, but I'm curious if you feel you need to build reserves and how you want us to think about provision?

Richard Pohle
Executive Vice President, Chief Credit Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Yeah. Let me just start with kind of where we are in the quarter. We bumped up by three basis points our coverage ratio. It was really a 1% dollar increase, it went up $26 million, and we put most of that into the commercial real estate reserve, just given the uncertainty that we've got there. Where we go from here, I mean, we don't give specific guidance around the coverage ratio, particularly around the provision but it's going to depend on where the economy goes to the extent that we see further weakening, we'll reevaluate it. But I would imagine that any builds from here would be similar to what you would see in the third quarter, fairly nominal from a dollar standpoint, we might be moving some things around but, in general, we feel really good about where the reserve is right now. And as we get to the other side of this and the economic outlook starts to improve, you can see us bringing the coverage ratio back down into that 160 range over time. So we'll look at it every quarter, Jon, and -- but we feel good about the 196 right now.

Jon Arfstrom
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Yeah. Okay. Late in the call, Steve, but just a bigger picture question for you. You had a good quarter. But when I saw the guide for the fourth quarter for lower NII and higher expenses and then for the expense guide for 2024, you kind of pulled back some of that optimism. I guess my bigger -- and I think you understand that but my bigger picture question is, what's the message for 2024? Is that -- is it a year of investment and you're not going to push revenue growth or are we just all being a little bit too pessimistic here and just focusing on the expenses and some of the near-term NII headwinds?

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Zach, also talked about improving net interest income and NIM at 2024. So I don't think of that as -- our outlook is not of a negative nature. We're investing in the businesses, we're going to do a number of things that I think will position us really well for the medium term, like 2025, 2026 in terms of further growth. We'll have some new capabilities and some additional talent in the company. We'll be in a position to manage with data and processes even better as we go forward. We're accelerating some of our multi-year plans into 2024. And as Zach said, that's -- that growth outlook or expenses in 2025 comes back to a more normal level.

So this is us being intentional, position the company to play opex and we think we're in that position. We are confident on our credit. We've got good and growing capital on both a gross and an adjusted basis. Liquidity is exceptional. The deposit growth continues. And as you saw in 2010 to those who were around in that period of time, there are moments to take advantage. That's when we launched [Indecipherable] as we do a number of things in the commercial bank and really opened up SBA lending, etc. We think this coming year is one of those moments, and we intend to put out those.

Jon Arfstrom
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Okay. So it's -- okay, that's good. I had to ask it, Steve, I'm getting asked that question, but I just needed to know if you're optimistic or pessimistic for 2024, and it sounds like you're...

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

We are optimistic about 2024 and beyond. And beyond, Jon.

Jon Arfstrom
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

All right. All right. Okay. Thank you.

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Thank you.

Operator

Our final question is from the line of Steven Alexopoulos with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your questions.

Steven Alexopoulos
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Hey, good morning, everyone.

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Good morning, Steven.

Steven Alexopoulos
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Steve, I've heard all the commentary for the past hour on expenses and I guess what I still want to understand is, is the step-up in expense growth in 2024, is that tied to you seeing a better revenue environment to absorb a higher level of spend or is something going on that's going to require you to be spend more in 2024 agnostic for the revenue environment?

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

So, we're gearing the company to manage a growth dynamic that we expect will be in place in 2024 and beyond. We also are accelerating certain multiyear investments into 2024, so that we're in an even better position with data, and it's principally data to manage in -- managing company, right? We're at different scale outpost TCF. We saw a lot of unique activity in March around Silicon Valley, things move very quickly. We want -- and Board wants better data, better access to information that we have and make pushing a button together.

So -- we've been on a multiyear journey. We're going to pull that forward and position the company to be even stronger. We've been managing market risk as you've seen with us hedging about half of our AFS portfolio since 2019 but our processes have not been as automated as we would like them to be, given the speed at which things can change. And so we said we would take advantage of lessons learned out of Silicon Valley and others in this most recent episode, and that has resulted in us making a number of adjustments in our treasury and core policies that I think will prove to further bolster our aggregate moderate to low risk appetite and then these investments in data and some other areas in addition to the revenue area investments will also position us to more effectively manage the company on a real-time basis.

Steven Alexopoulos
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Okay. Right. And will this step the pace of investment? Is that a 2024 story or is it a 2024 and beyond story?

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

We're trying to pull things forward into 2024 as Zach said, and as we think about 2025 and beyond, we'll be back to a more normalized. Again, this is -- this was an electional part, an overall view of trying to take advantage of the environment that we see in 2024 and beyond and position the bank for growth.

Steven Alexopoulos
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Got it.

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

[Indecipherable]

Steven Alexopoulos
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Well, it sounds like it's partially opportunistic and partially you need to invest in systems, right? It sounds like that portion of this too? We had multiyear plans that were accelerating. That's choice. Okay. If I could ask one last question. So I don't know if you said [Indecipherable] First Horizon recently was asked about crossing $100 billion, well, you really don't want to cross organically, right? You don't want to be $101 billion. But you guys had $186 billion today. How do you see this with these proposed changes coming. Do you think you're in a good spot at this asset level or do you think you need to boost size and scale to just give what this potentially comes? Thanks.

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

We own the risk at risk management. We're going to maintain this aggregate moderate to low-risk appetite. We've done things well in the past. We'll continue to do them in the future. I think the size of the business is not the only determinant. I think the business model itself is very, very important. Part of the strategy over time is to be deep in certain markets for our consumer and regional bank, giving us brand awareness and other attributes that let us continue to grow the core and then we've invested selectively in a variety of commercial businesses.

Our asset finance, our equipment finance and distribution finance. A number of these businesses that are beyond the specialty businesses that are national in nature, complemented by things that we've added on the payment space last year. The acquisition on the investment banking side, all of which give us more pride and capabilities to [Indecipherable] to our customer base and we're going to continue that. We've alluded to additional talent and capabilities in the near term, and we expect to be in a position to start talking about that. But all of that's in that 4% guidance for you for next year.

Steven Alexopoulos
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Okay. Thanks for taking my questions.

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Thank you.

Zachary Wasserman
Senior Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Great questions.

Stephen D. Steinour
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Huntington Bancshares

Thank you. Okay. So we're grateful for you joining us today. I just want to compliment Richard one more time into this last year, Rich got a retirement I mean at the end of the year and Rich has just been a terrific leader. We've greatly benefited from their experiences. Rich, you position us well as you've heard on the call. So thank you very much.

In closing, we're pleased with the third quarter results as we dynamically manage through this environment. We're bearing what we believe we're very well positioned for times such as leased with strong credit quality, improving capital ratios and robust liquidity and it's supported by consistent efforts from about 20,000 colleagues across the bank to deliver these results. We are a team, you know we are disciplined operators and we're executing on our strategy that we outlined last year's Investor Day, and we're driving shareholder value. We're optimistic we're going to continue to do that in the years to come.

And as a reminder, we're all aligned, the Board executives and our colleagues, our top 10 shareholder collectively, and we feel they're paying this market pull back. We're very focused on driving consistent strong performance. So, thank you for your support and interest in Huntington, and have a great day.

Operator

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