Cadence Bank Q4 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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January 31, 2023

There are 13 speakers on the call.

Operator

Morning, and welcome to the Cadence Bank 4th Quarter 2022 Webcast and Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Will Sysackerly, Director of Finance.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

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Operator

One moment, please.

Speaker 1

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Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your patience. At this time, I would now like to introduce Will Sackerle, Director of Finance. Will, please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Good morning. Thank you for joining the Cadence Bank 4th quarter 2022 earnings conference call. We We have our executive management team here with us this morning, Dan, Paul, Chris, Valerie and Hank. Our speakers will be referring to prepared slides during the discussion. You can find the slides by going to our Investor Relations page at ir.candidatesbank.com, where you'll find them on the link to our webcast, or you can view them at the exhibit to the 8 ks that we filed yesterday afternoon.

Speaker 2

These slides are also in the Presentation section of our Investor Relations website. I would remind you that the presentation, along with our earnings release, And now I'll turn to Dan Rollins for his opening comments.

Speaker 3

'twenty two marked a year of tremendous change, progress and success for our company, Highlighted by the Q4 completion of our rebranding across our footprint and the related systems integration. The results of our business development efforts will be discussed this morning will validate the unity, optimism and excitement shared by our teammates as we are now operating under one name and brand. As we look at our annual and Q4 2022 financial results, the storylines and key highlights are very similar for both the quarter and the full year. So I'd like to make a few comments about both of those. We reported adjusted net income for the Q4 of 142,900,000 or $0.78 per common share, which resulted in annual adjusted net income of $542,000,000 or $2.94 per common share.

Speaker 3

Adjusted PPNR was $195,500,000 or 1.62 percent of average assets for the 4th quarter. We continue to benefit from a strong pipeline, which is reflected in net loan growth of $1,100,000,000 or 14% annualized for the 4th quarter And $3,500,000,000 or 13 percent for the full year. Our 4th quarter results were again very diverse from a product and geographic standpoint. We had 6 of the 7 regions within our company report net growth for the quarter and our corporate banking team had another outstanding quarter. We also continue to see favorable results from many of our specialized industry verticals along with our mortgage team.

Speaker 3

Total deposits were flat for the Q4 and down $860,000,000 or 2.2% for the year. While we, like many of our Peers have seen a decline in average account balances and a shift towards interest bearing products, our bankers remain focused on preserving and growing core deposit relationships. We continue to evaluate and tweak our product offerings and our posted rate structure in an effort to ensure our relationship managers have the tools necessary to compete In this highly competitive environment, the rate environment combined with the balance sheet dynamics that we just discussed resulted in continued improvement in our net interest margin. Our 4th quarter margin improved 5 basis points linked quarter and our margin for the full year was 3.15, up almost 20 basis points compared to the prior year. Valerie will discuss the margin components in just a few more minutes.

Speaker 3

Credit quality continues to be a positive story. While we had a while our let me start that again. Our 4th quarter provision of $6,000,000 was necessary to support continued loan growth. We reported net recoveries for both the Q4 and the full year. We have now reported net recoveries 6 out of the previous 7 quarters.

Speaker 3

Our non performing assets also declined 8% for the quarter and 38% for the full year and now stand at 24 basis points on total assets at year end, which is very low by any standard. We will continue to monitor credit quality very closely as we move into 2023. But as of today, we simply aren't seeing any areas of significant weakness. We continue to improve our operating efficiency. Our 4th quarter adjusted efficiency ratio of 58.7 marks our 5th consecutive quarter of improvement in this metric.

Speaker 3

As we move into 2023, While there are some headwinds that Valerie will mention in a moment, continuing this improvement is this key strategic focus for our team. Finally, I'd like to briefly touch on capital. We repurchased 6,100,000 shares of our 2022 share repurchase authorization during the first half of twenty twenty two. Recently, our Board approved an authorization of 10,000,000 shares for 2023. While we currently remain on pause with our repurchase activity, we are pleased to have this authorization in our toolkit and we'll continue to monitor both the economic as well as our capital position as we move forward this year.

Speaker 3

Mallory, I'll give it to you.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Dan. Dan spoke to the key highlights that are applicable to both our quarterly and annual results that you'll see on Slide 4. Very consistent loan growth, continued margin expansion, Stable credit quality and steady progress in the adjusted metrics. Focusing on the Q4 of 2022, The results include quarterly improvement in our net interest revenue due to loan growth and increasing margin and improvement in adjusted expenses due to year end employee benefit adjustments. These were partially offset by seasonal declines in insurance revenue and change in mortgage servicing rights valuation and a modest provision for credit losses.

Speaker 4

4th quarter adjusted PPNR was $195,500,000 of $359,000,000 for the 4th quarter, an increase of $4,000,000 compared to the Q3 of 2022. Our net interest margin was 3.33 percent for the 4th quarter, up 5 basis points from the linked quarter. Not surprisingly, the pace of improvement in the margin slowed this quarter as our deposit costs accelerated in response to continued rate increases and strong deposit competition. Total cost of deposits increased to 76 basis points from 35 basis points in the 3rd quarter. Despite this increase, we continue to have a favorable deposit beta, thanks to our large mix of community bank deposits.

Speaker 4

Our total deposit beta was 28% for the 4th quarter and 17% cycle to date. This compares to the 4th quarter's loan beta, Excluding accretion was 5.41 percent for the 4th quarter, up 71 basis points from the prior quarter. Our balance sheet remains asset sensitive with approximately 48% of our loan portfolio or $14,800,000,000 repricing in the next 12 months, Of which $12,600,000,000 of that reprices within the next 3 months. At a higher level, as laid out on Slide 7, 72% of our loan book is floating or have variable rate terms with 28% fixed rate. Non interest revenue highlighted on Slides 817 was $114,900,000 which represents a decline of 9.6 $1,000,000 for the quarter.

Speaker 4

The decline is driven primarily by a $7,100,000 unfavorable swing in the MSR market valuation adjustment as well as a $5,200,000 decline in insurance commission revenue related to seasonality in the policy renewal cycle. While the insurance decline is in line with typical 4th quarter seasonal results, on a year over year basis, total insurance commission revenue actually increased 6 point 3% from the Q4 of 2021. In addition to these two items, we saw a decline in deposit service charges, primarily as of an increase in the earnings credit rate on corporate analysis accounts and an increase in BOLI income, which is attributable to timing of debt benefits. Moving on to expenses, which are highlighted on Slides 9 and 10. Total adjusted non interest expense was $279,300,000 for the 4th quarter, a decline of $10,900,000 compared to the 3rd quarter.

Speaker 4

The decline was driven primarily by a decline in compensation largely related to employee benefits year end adjustments, including lower accruals on insurance costs in the annual assessment of other employee benefit obligations that have been impacted by higher discount rates. The decline in other miscellaneous expense included a number of small variances, including lower franchise taxes, legal and other items. You may recall that last quarter we guided toward a $290,000,000 base level of adjusted non interest expenses, which was in line with the 4th quarter results, factoring out the year end adjustments made to employee benefits. Regarding non routine adjusted items, merger and merger related costs increase to $53,000,000 this quarter as we completed the franchise rebranding and the core system conversion. A large component of these costs were in advertising and public relations, which reflects the rebranding of our franchise under the Cadence Bank name and new logo, including nearly 400 offices.

Speaker 4

We also incurred a $6,100,000 pension settlement expense due to the elevated number of retirements in the 4th quarter and branch closing expense of $2,300,000 associated with the 17 branches that were closed or consolidated in the 4th quarter. Dan spoke to the loan and deposit activity included on Slides 11 and 12. Slide 13 provides credit quality I'd like to further demonstrate the points Dan made earlier with steady declines in non performing assets throughout the year. Classified assets increased somewhat during the quarter, but declined 15% as compared to the end of 2021. As mentioned earlier, the $6,000,000 provision for the quarter supports continued growth in loans and unfunded commitments that we've experienced.

Speaker 4

The ACL coverage finished the year at 1.45 percent of loans. Capital, As shown on slide 14 continues to be stable across the board with the quarter's earnings absorbing the growth in risk weighted assets. As we look forward into 2023, from a loan growth perspective, we anticipate a high single digit growth rate with investment security cash flows continuing to support growth. We expect that approximately $3,300,000,000 in securities cash flows and maturities in 2023, including $1,500,000,000 of low yielding treasuries maturing in the Q4 of this year. Deposits continue to be more difficult to predict with increasing rates and aggressive competition.

Speaker 4

However, we do anticipate our Deposit costs will continue to increase and currently expect to reach our cumulative total deposit beta of 28% to 30% toward the middle of this year. Net interest margin will be in part dependent on our deposit levels and pricing, but we do anticipate margins to be higher in the Q4 this year than in the 2022 Q4. This expectation is due to the asset mix shift out of lower yielding into higher yielding loans combined with the ongoing asset repricing in our variable loan book. Slide 7 in the slide deck provides a nice visual of the repricing timing of our portfolios. We also anticipate steady growth in our fee businesses, except for mortgage and analysis service charges, which we expect to continue to be negatively impacted by the higher rate environment.

Speaker 4

Regarding non interest expenses, we currently anticipate a low single digit growth rate on an annualized basis compared to the $290,000,000 quarterly run rate guidance we previously provided for the Q4 of 2022. This factors in the anticipated benefits from our merger integration, but also the number of headwinds, including increased FDIC with the insurance assessments, higher pension expense, increased CPI levels in many vendor and technology agreements and continued wage pressure. Importantly, we expect merger and merger related expenses to be materially behind us, although we are continuing to aim to reap efficiencies beyond our initial Our 2022 net charge offs, which were actually a small net recovery for the year, were clearly very low. So we do expect those to increase to a more normalized level in 2023. However, as Dan noted earlier, while cautious, we are just not seeing areas of Significantly, this currently.

Speaker 4

We have a lot to be pleased with looking back at the results and accomplishments of 2022, But I think we would all agree the excitement is in the opportunity that lies ahead. Operator, we would like to open the call for questions.

Operator

Today's first question comes from Catherine Mealor with KBW. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Thanks. Good morning.

Speaker 3

Hey, good morning, Catherine. Appreciate everybody's patience with our technical problems this morning.

Operator

No. All good, all good. Valerie, you gave

Speaker 5

a lot of great guidance at the end of your comments. So thank you for all of that. And I wanted to start My question is with maybe on expenses. So it seems like you're saying take the $290,000,000 from this quarter and then grow that at a low single digit pace. So is that net of cost savings or Should we grow it at that pace and then allow the rest of the cost savings to offset it from there?

Speaker 5

Just want to make sure I'm clear on that guide.

Speaker 4

That's a fully baked in number. Realizing the savings that we've got baked in as well as the work that's continuing to be done Ann, the expense headwinds that we and I believe our peers are also experiencing as we look into 2023.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then that $9,000,000 that was from some of the employee and insurance changes from this quarter, how do we think about that in the run rate for Sure. Is that coming as I was kind of give you like a one time event from this quarter or is that partly in the run rate as we pull that forward to next year?

Speaker 3

Yes. That's a one time event.

Speaker 4

Yes. The big chunk of that is really related to the annual assessment of employee benefit obligations and the fact that a higher because the interest rate changes allowed us to take a credit on that. So that's not something that happens every quarter.

Speaker 5

Great.

Speaker 4

Okay. Okay. And then maybe

Speaker 5

my follow-up is just on the margin. It doesn't feel like you're saying that this is peak margin, but I found it interesting that your guide is Q4 to Q4 is going to be higher. So does that imply that there may be some fluctuations between now and then just depending on how deposit costs flow? But ultimately, by the time we get to the end of next year, we'll have a higher NIM. Is that a fair way to read that?

Speaker 4

I think you got it well. As you said, it's the deposits are the variable key there. But assuming no surprises there, We actually we could have some modest improvement before things kind of stabilize or soften, But we are anticipating a better margin as we look to the end of the year, really related to all the repricing and the mix out of the securities book into the loan book. And as we've talked about a number of times, the variable rate loans that continue to reprice as long as we're in a higher rate environment.

Speaker 3

The way you said it, I think, Catherine, is correct. I think we see an upward trajectory on our margin, But maybe not linear. We could bounce around here, but we're moving in an upward direction.

Speaker 5

Great. Okay. Thank you so much.

Operator

The next question comes from Michael Rose with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hey, good morning guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Just wanted to start on your commentary on the fee businesses. Obviously, I understand mortgage and service charges under pressure just given The ECR, but can you just kind of lay out expectations for some of the other businesses? Like I know insurance obviously benefiting from A relatively high hard pricing market.

Speaker 6

And I guess maybe I'm a little On the trust and wealth side, maybe that's a little bit harder to see, but it sounds like you're kind of guiding, or at least the outlook is to see Have year over year progression. Can you just kind of walk through some thoughts there by business line and Yes, maybe how we should think about them. Thanks.

Speaker 3

Yes, I think you've covered some of that Michael. Good to hear from you. Mortgage is clearly flying into headwinds. I would expect that 1Q is not going to be a good quarter for mortgage. Hopefully 2Q, 3Q during normal home selling season will come back a little bit on that piece.

Speaker 3

We're portfolioing more of those loans. The secondary market for arms is not working today. If As market comes back on and then we can fix that. That means we're not collecting that gain on sale for the loans that we're booking onto the balance sheet, the ARMs. So mortgage is clearly under pressure.

Speaker 3

I think you were spot on, on insurance. Insurance looks to be in good shape today. I The team is all similar to anybody else in wealth management dependent upon asset values. So depending upon what asset values do this year will drive That revenue, we're hoping that the market will move up and that that will see benefit there. And then I think you hit the ECR on treasury management.

Speaker 3

We do believe that we'll see some pressure because of the rising ECR on treasury management. Other than that though, I think our bank fees, We've already given back the pieces of the puzzle we needed to give back and so we continue to see stability there. Our card We continue to see increasing volume on cards. We continue to see increasing average Ticket or average transaction on cards. So the card income continues to be moving up.

Speaker 3

Valerie, did I miss anything?

Speaker 4

I think you covered the big ones.

Speaker 6

Yes, it sounds like the big ones. Thanks for the color. Maybe just switching to capital and the repurchase. It sounded like if I got this right from the prepared comments that maybe buybacks wouldn't be a near term thing, maybe you'll let capital Build a little bit here is kind of the operational efficiencies from the merger continue to play out. Is that the way to think about it that maybe near term purchases not on the forefront, but maybe think about it more usage in the back half.

Speaker 3

Yes, I think that's a fair way, Michael, to look. I think we want to be prepared if the market backs up on us. We certainly have that in our toolkit. We can take advantage of the market if it backs up. But we're currently watching where we are.

Speaker 3

We're watching the economy. There's still unknowns in front of us and we want to make sure that we're fully prepared.

Speaker 6

Okay. And then maybe just finally for me, just on the margin back to the margin color. I assume you Valerie, you're talking about the core margin. And I believe last quarter you kind of talked about accretion income for the year somewhere in the $22,000,000 to $23,000,000 range is obviously higher this quarter. Wanted to clarify that and then get any sort of updated expectations for what you would expect for scheduled accretion for this year?

Speaker 6

Thanks.

Speaker 4

Yes. No, that's exactly right. The core margin is really the direction that we were headed there. On the accretion, you're spot on on the scheduled accretion numbers for next year, close to 23,000,000 and that is a headwind for this year. We had $47,000,000 nearly for the year of 2022.

Speaker 4

It was a little bit higher this Q4 because with some pay downs and so forth, but no change to the expected scheduled accretion for 2023.

Speaker 6

All right. Thanks for taking my questions.

Speaker 7

Your next

Operator

question comes from Manan Gosalia with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hi, good morning. Good morning.

Speaker 9

I wanted to follow-up on the comment on deposit betas. I think you noted 20% to 30 And cumulative deposit betas by the middle of this year, do you expect that to be the peak Or just given your other comments on the elevated level of competition that you and others in the industry are Seeing right now, should that deposit beta ramp up as we go towards the end of the year?

Speaker 4

Yes. No, actually, what we're modeling is an increase from where we are today, Which is the 17% cumulative to kind of our peak deposit beta mid year of next year, which would be in that 28% to 30% level on a total deposit basis.

Speaker 9

Got it. And then as you think about the mix of funding, To the extent that loan growth exceeds the securities runoff between the quarters in the year, could we assume that you would plug that with FHLB or are there other funding levers that you might want to pull such as growing the CD book?

Speaker 3

Yes, I think that we've got lots of securities running off in 2023. So most of the loan growth in 2023 can be funded, If not all, with securities portfolio and the move up of the loan to deposit ratio. So moving our loan to deposit ratio north of 75 is a goal of We would like to see our loan to deposit ratio higher in a more normal environment. So I think from a funding standpoint, that's just a temporary spot. So we're currently playing in all of the spaces that you just mentioned.

Speaker 3

I think we've got our team looking to grow deposits. Some of our customers are moving CDs around. Some people because of rates have taken CDs. So I think the answer is all of the above is where we would be funding from.

Speaker 9

Got it. And other cities more shorter term dated or are you putting on a little bit of duration there?

Speaker 3

Yes. CDs is such a small piece of our book. It's mostly short. We're not offering any specials for any long term money.

Speaker 9

Got it. Very helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Brandon King with Truist. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hey, good morning.

Speaker 3

Good morning, Brandon.

Speaker 7

So I'm curious with putting all the pieces of guidance together, are you still sticking with kind of that 54% inefficiency ratio target for next year?

Speaker 3

Yes, that's a great question. I think we've got a lot of headwinds on that, Valerie.

Speaker 4

Yes. So what we're anticipating is gradual progress, just like what we saw in 2022, gradual progress on that efficiency ratio improvement, and expect to continue that. There are a few headwinds, as Dan mentioned, some of the FDIC expense and some of the other things that we talked about. But it may be early 2024 before we get to that number, but I think we'll be making gradual improvements and certainly working toward that number pretty

Speaker 7

aggressively. That help you? Okay. Yes. Yes.

Speaker 7

Okay. And then on loan growth, high single digits is It will be a bit above peers. I'm just curious what gives you confidence in that number and kind of what you're seeing as far as demand with the community platform versus corporate?

Speaker 3

Yes. So I'm not sure I'm hearing the whole question. You're talking about loan growth being above peers. And what was the second part of that?

Speaker 7

Yes, yes. So loan growth kind of will give you confidence in that high single digit growth figure for next year. And then if you could Provide some commentary around community versus the corporate lending, kind of the demand outlook there.

Speaker 3

Yes. So opportunities within the corporate lending and confidence around the high single digit loan growth, I think is what you're asking about. I think our footprint is going to give Longrow. So the footprint that we're sitting in is continuing to perform well. As I said, we're not seeing really any weakness to speak of today.

Speaker 3

Chris and Hank are both in the room here and can talk about all you want to talk about on loan growth. Which one of you guys wants to go?

Speaker 1

Chris, I'll let you go first and I'll fill in.

Speaker 10

Yes. Dan started it, the 400 branch footprint, commercial teams with deep relationships with diverse products and services. We're We're in resilient growth markets as well as what I would call more stable and lower risk markets as well. So there's just a lot of levers That we can pull and when we look at our pipelines, we're seeing still active and we still see looking at least out the next few months, we see like we've got good Pipeline and activities that are comfortable in some of those loan growth targets. Thanks.

Speaker 1

So I agree 100% with Chris. I would categorize it as not too hot, but not too cold. And we're positive on 2023. We do have capacity in our corporate teams, which is a nice thing to have when you're headed into some needs or having have some loan growth, which we're going to do. A lot of it depends on the macro environment and what that gives us to the second half of the year.

Speaker 1

Right now, I would tell you that I feel good and positive about

Speaker 8

the guidance we're giving on that Valerie mentioned earlier.

Speaker 7

Thanks for taking my questions.

Speaker 3

Thank you. Appreciate it, Brandon.

Operator

The next question comes from Brett Rabatin with Hovde Group. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Wanted to talk about credit for a second and obviously spectacular numbers. Thinking about the reserve, it's basically been flat the past 3 quarters from a dollar perspective. And just wanted to hear some thoughts on Provisioning going forward and just thinking about the black box of CECL as well as, the classified assets are really low, but they did click up a little bit in the Q4, anything that was prevalent in that increase and anything that you guys are watching from a credit perspective?

Speaker 8

Thanks.

Speaker 3

Yes. So as I said, I don't think we're seeing anything today that's got any alarm bells Ringing on it. So I think the move around in classified assets is just normal move in, move out, bounce and I'll let the guys cover that further. We look at CECL, I think our model continues to work for us. I think what you saw this quarter was provisioning for growth.

Speaker 3

So we're not seeing weaknesses in the portfolio. So we're provisioning for growth. You guys want to touch on?

Speaker 10

Yes. Back to the classified loans, normal cycle, normal loan grading, our average loan, if you're a legacy BXS, From a view, we've got an average larger average loan size now. So you're going to see some larger loans moving out. Nothing in there that was systematic or a trend that we would note, Normal loan grading, normal working with customers. And I think from there, it's a model.

Speaker 10

It's what the model is going to project for us via Economic forecasts and what our own loan grading systems do. Hank, any other color?

Speaker 1

I think you said it well.

Speaker 8

Okay. And Dan, anything maybe not for your bank, but just anything that you would point out as something that You kind of view as potentially problematic for the industry, whether it's office or some other segment Of lending that you would say, hey, this is something that we're keeping a close eye on?

Speaker 3

Yes. We're just not saying it, Brett, so when we look at what's happening today, we're like everybody else. We're watching carefully. We're paying attention. We think we're making good credit decisions.

Speaker 3

The credit team is asking lots of questions, but across the footprint that we're serving, the economies continue to move along. We're still seeing some stresses on labor in some places. Some places are still not able to find labor. People are moving up There are labor costs, but we're still moving.

Speaker 8

Yes. The timing sure is resilient. Thanks for all the color, Dan.

Speaker 3

Thanks. Appreciate your time.

Operator

The next question is from Matt Olney with Stephens. Please go ahead. Pardon me. This is a follow-up from Catherine Mealor with KBW.

Speaker 9

I didn't mean to jump in

Operator

front of Matt. Sorry about that. My follow-up is just back to the efficiency ratio question that Brandon asked. Dara, can you just clarify

Speaker 5

what number efficiency ratio you were referring to? Is that the I think you originally put out slides When the deal came together, I think it was a 54% efficiency ratio. Is that a number that you think is achievable by 24? Or do you think it's higher than that just given some of the expense headwinds you talked about?

Speaker 3

Yes, I think that's the number we're talking about. We're still targeting getting there.

Speaker 5

Great. Okay. But just maybe not until sometime in 2024?

Speaker 3

Yes. I think The things that have happened in the last little bit has delayed that trip to get there a little bit, but we're going to get there.

Speaker 5

Great. Okay. Thanks. Just wanted to clarify that. Thanks.

Operator

Okay. The next question is Actually from Matt Olney with Stephens. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Hey guys, how are you? Good morning.

Speaker 3

Good morning, Matt. Catherine owes you for that.

Speaker 1

No worries at

Speaker 11

all. I think most of my questions have been answered. Just want to circle back on the insurance segment. I know insurance has been an important part of the strategy going back several years, even in the Bancorp South days. I guess there is some speculation in the marketplace about some of your larger bank peers that may not be married to their insurance segment Longer term, I'm curious about the strategy of Cadence in the Insurance segment.

Speaker 11

Just I'm curious how important this Insurance segment is to the longer term strategy of the bank?

Speaker 3

Yes, I think we're no different than anybody else. We're watching what's happening in the market, but we like insurance. We've always liked insurance. Continue to grow insurance. In the last quarter, we added another insurance agency that we were able to add into our team.

Speaker 3

So it's clearly a big part of what we're doing every day, but the market is Always doing something different and so you pay attention to what's happening in the market.

Speaker 11

Got it. Okay. All my other questions have been addressed. Thanks guys.

Speaker 3

Hey, thanks Matt. Appreciate it.

Operator

The next question comes from Jon Arfstrom with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 12

Hey, good morning, everyone. Hey, John. Just a couple of follow ups. Maybe obvious, but the high single digit Growth rate, you're assuming period end? We use period end as a base, is that

Speaker 3

right? Yes.

Speaker 10

Those are

Speaker 4

period end guidance.

Speaker 3

Yes. For loans, yes. Yes.

Speaker 12

Okay, good. Valerie, you talked about just some using some securities, cash flow from How do you feel about earning asset growth and balance sheet growth for the year? Help us understand the mix change.

Speaker 4

Yes. And again, it just all goes back to deposits. And what we saw the industry see this year, You're not going to grow much in earning assets through deposits. If we're able to grow deposits, keep it so forth and that would allow for some earning asset growth. Otherwise, that's just simply the variable.

Speaker 3

Yes, nobody wants to go backwards. And I think when we look at 2022, we're going to see that the industry as a whole lost deposits. We lost some too. Hopefully that trend is turning. And so that's really the question here.

Speaker 3

If we can grow deposits, then you'll see earning assets grow.

Speaker 12

Yes. Okay. Yes, yes, the earnings notes look kind of the opposite of what we wrote 18 months ago, right, on balance sheet movements. Yes. Yes.

Speaker 12

What would you say is like an average new interest bearing Rate that you're paying right now? And are you seeing that pressure ease at all, kind of the second derivative of deposit pricing pressure?

Speaker 3

Ease is an easy answer. No, there's no ease on the competition on deposits at all. Yes. The competition

Speaker 10

is fierce Out there, most people are competing off the yield curve you see in the short term. So competition is in the short term CD space and the money market I mean that's I think why you're sitting in the range move out of the non interest bearing accounts. But I don't know if you have an average number to vote, but the CDs we're putting on the specials we're running in the 4s and specials on money markets, Some exception pricing there in the high threes.

Speaker 12

Okay. Yes, go ahead, Valerie.

Speaker 4

The average for the quarter, the new interest bearing came on at about 2.57%.

Speaker 12

Okay. And then any difference between on the pressures between the Community Bank footprint and That's 76% you flag in the other parts of the business? Or is it just intense everywhere?

Speaker 10

Yes. It's intense everywhere, not from my perspective. In some ways, the Community Bank gets that local competition may be more fierce than the Metropolitan competition. It just

Speaker 12

depends. Okay. I'll wrap it up. I could go on forever on Slide 7, but I like it. It's good.

Speaker 12

But I guess, Dan, an easy one for you, maybe a softball, but rebranding feedback, is there anything that hasn't gone well or you've generally been satisfied with it?

Speaker 3

Yes, 5,000 and some odd signs changed in a short period of time. Lots of activity went on to that. We've been really pleased with the way that was executed. I think that We could have had a whole lot of issues, but we spent some time getting ready for that. The full 18 months were slower in getting everything done, but the The benefit of putting it all together at one time, the benefit of getting it all behind us in the Q4, we're really excited about where we are.

Speaker 12

Okay. All right. Thanks for the time.

Speaker 3

Thank you, John. Appreciate it very much.

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Dan Rollins for any closing remarks.

Speaker 3

Thanks again everyone for your questions and your participation today. As I mentioned a little bit a minute ago, 2022 marked a year of tremendous change, Progress and success for our company. In closing, I just want to take one more opportunity to brag on our team. It took an incredible amount of effort and focus for everyone in our company to achieve what we accomplished in 2022. And as we continue into 2023, we are committed Continuing to grow our business, improve our operating performance and enhance the value created for our teammates, shareholders and communities that we serve.

Speaker 3

Thanks

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