Dime Community Bancshares Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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October 19, 2023

There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Zion Community Bancshares Third Quarter Earnings Call. Before we begin, the company would like to remind you that discussions during this call contain forward looking statements made under the Safe Harbor provision of the U. S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in any such statements, including as set forth in today's press release and the company's filings with the U.

Operator

S. Securities and Exchange Commission to which we refer you. During this call, references will be made to non GAAP financial measures as supplemental measures to review and assess operating performance. These non GAAP financial measures are not intended to be considered in isolation or as a substitute for the financial information prepared and presented in accordance with the U. S.

Operator

GAAP. For information about these non GAAP measures and for reconciliation to GAAP, please refer to today's earnings release. I will now hand over to your host, Stuart Lubrau, President and CEO to begin. Stuart, please go ahead when you're ready.

Speaker 1

Good morning. Thank you, Carla, and thank you all for joining us this morning. I will first provide comments on key themes underlying our business. Avi will then provide additional details on the Q3, and then we will open it up for questions. Dime continues to perform well in a year marked by the failure of 3 regional banks and unprecedented inverted yield curve And significant interest rate increases by the Fed.

Speaker 1

In the Q3, we grew core deposits approximately $200,000,000 We reduced wholesale funding on our balance sheet. We increased our already strong risk based capital And we reduced our non performing assets by 16%. As we have mentioned on our previous calls, we do not have any concentrations that got the failed banks and others in trouble. These facts coupled with our rock solid bulletproof multifamily portfolio, Which represents 38% of our overall loan portfolio gives us confidence that we will outperform in any potential recessionary environment. For the record, we have no loans on our entire multifamily portfolio that are delinquent greater than 60 days and the LTV on that portfolio is 58%.

Speaker 1

We continue to be vigilant and diligent around monitoring all parts of our loan portfolio. Overall asset quality remains strong with NPAs and 90 days past due declining to only 17 basis points. As you would expect, we continue to closely monitor our investor office portfolio. As of September 30, we have no delinquencies greater than 60 days In the investor office portfolio, in fact, we only have one loan over 30 days at ninethirty, which was only 1.9 $1,000,000 and had an LTV less than 50%. We provide some additional disclosures on this portfolio as it relates to properties and geography in our recent investor presentation.

Speaker 1

Our Manhattan Investor Office Portfolio is only $200,000,000 or less than 1.5% of total assets. The LTV on our Manhattan office portfolio is 50%. We are comfortable with the exposure and the operators of our office portfolio are very strong. Notably, we do not have significant amount of repricing and maturing office loans for the remainder of 2023 or 2024. Repricing and maturing office loans for the remainder of 2023 is only $20,000,000 And for $24,000,000 only $39,000,000 We are cognizant of the challenging revenue environment and continue to manage expenses prudently.

Speaker 1

Our focus is on being as efficient as possible. Core expenses, which included a full quarter's impact of our Private Banking Group Hires, we're down on a linked quarter basis. There are a number of projects that we are working on that will result in expense containment For future years. For example, we recently outsourced our data center. Importantly, on a linked quarter basis, our non interest bearing deposits This marks the first increase since the current rate tightening cycle began and portends well for our future earnings potential.

Speaker 1

Avi will provide more details on the margin in his remarks. Dime has been very active on the hiring front In 2023 and the Q3 was no different. We were able to recruit a high caliber banker to lead our healthcare vertical. We continue to spend meaningful amount of time on the recruiting front and believe we have the potential to add more talented bankers in the future. We do believe there will be some more fallout from larger local institutions as well as an opportunity to bring over individual clients We seek a locally managed relationship based bank with access to key decision makers at all times.

Speaker 1

That coupled with our strong technology makes us very attractive to new customers and new bankers. With respect to our positioning on lending, our strategy is to ensure we continue to support our key clients through any operating environment. We will continue to prudently add franchise enhancing full service business relationship. The addition of the healthcare vertical is consistent with our strategy of growing that our loan pipeline is well down from a year ago given the much higher rate environment are intentionally heavily weighted to our business loans. Approximately 60% of our loan pipeline is in business loans with an weighted average rate on the entire loan pipeline of 7.9%.

Speaker 1

We expect loans to remain relatively stable between now and the end of the year, with growth in business loan offsetting planned declines in our investor Since my appointment as CEO and in my day to day meetings with customers, It's apparent to me that Dyna's brand and reputation in marketplace has never been stronger. Our technology platform is better and more agile than many larger local banks our customer service is second to none. Anecdotally, we are winning back some clients who left for biggest banks during the March madness as they realize service and personal touch are important. A big client win for our firm in the Q3 was New York Jets. Dyme is now the official private bank of the Jets.

Speaker 1

The partnership is providing us tremendous visibility and has been well received by our clients and employees across the board and demonstrates that Dynacom Bank's big brand name institutions. As I said on our last earnings call, my focus is on providing customers outstanding service that only locally managed community banks can provide, growing our franchise value And delivering our shareholders strong returns. Managing expenses prudently and being a Conservative underwriter credit have always been hallmarks of Dimes and will not stray from these 2 core guiding principles. I would like to thank all our outstanding employees for staying focused on these goals. With that, I will turn the call over to Avi to provide some more detail on the quarter.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Stu. Core EPS for the Q3 was $0.56 per share. Our results were marked by prudent We grew core deposits by approximately $200,000,000 on a spot basis And importantly, non interest bearing deposits increased in the 3rd quarter. At 29% of average total deposits, our non interest bearing deposit percentage remains a clear differentiator for Dime versus other community banks in our footprint. In a higher for longer environment, the value of these non interest bearing deposits will be paramount.

Speaker 2

The NIM was 2.34 for the 3rd quarter compared to 2.50 for the prior quarter. As expected, the pace of NIM compression continued to slow in the Q3. As you know, we don't provide quarterly quantitative NIM guidance. All else equal, we do expect the NIM to stabilize at the end of this year and see expansion in 2024. We're currently in our budgeting process And we'll have more to add on our January earnings call.

Speaker 2

Given the growth in core deposits, we reduced our wholesale funding position And our loan to deposit ratio ticked down to 102%. Core cash operating expenses for the Q3 was approximately $51,000,000 And we are on track to beat our full year guidance for core cash operating expenses, even after absorbing the hires we made in the 2nd and third quarters. We have been able to absorb the cost of these hires into our organization along with the additions of various corporate staff to support them by rationalizing expenses across the organization, using technology to automate manual processes and promoting and filling open roles from our talented employee base. Noninterest income for the Q3 was $7,900,000 the decline on a linked quarter basis was due to an expected decline in swap revenue and additionally, we had a BOLI debt claim in the 2nd quarter. We expect 4th quarter results for swap fees to generally be in line with the Q3 and then to pick up in 2024 as we have more back to back swap loans in the pipeline expected to close in the new year.

Speaker 2

We had a $1,800,000 loan loss provision this quarter. The allowance to NPLs increased to over 300% in the Q3. I will point out that excluding multifamily, which we view as a risk free asset class, our reserve to loans would be approximately 1%. We are cognizant of the fact that there's been a lot of scrutiny on CRE concentration. In this regard, Daim's Investor Creek concentration, excluding multifamily loans, which are really residential loans for 5 or more tenants, is only 260% of total capital.

Speaker 2

As we continue to focus our growth on business loans and building capital, we expect the CRE concentration to decline over time. In light of the overall environment, our posture as it relates to the balance sheet is to build capital methodically. This will in turn support our clients when they need it. This quarter, our risk based capital ratios increased by approximately 25 basis points. As a reminder, we have a very short duration AFS portfolio and the AOCI marks this quarter were fairly modest despite the increase in long rates.

Speaker 2

With that, I'll turn the call back to Carla for questions.

Operator

Thank you. When preparing for your question, please ensure your device is unmuted locally. We will now take our first question, which comes from Steve Moss from Raymond James. Steve, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Operator

Good

Speaker 3

morning. Good morning. Maybe just starting here, Stu. Good morning, Stu. Maybe just starting on the deposit growth you guys showed this quarter here, particularly non interest bearing.

Speaker 3

I realize that's from the signature hires. Just curious to give any expectations or updated thoughts looking forward here into the Q4?

Speaker 2

Yes. I'll start, Steve. Part of the reason for the decline in noninterest bearing deposits Earlier in the year was really migration out of some consumer DDA. And the first half of the year, we're probably losing $50,000,000 to $100,000,000 of consumer DDA. In the Q3, we were down to only around $30,000,000 So that's kind of you Stabilizing to some extent and obviously the new private banking groups that we have added significant deposits.

Speaker 2

I think overall at the bank, you, business DDA is up, municipal DDA is fairly stable. So when we're doing our projections, it's pretty much Stable to up from here on out. Obviously, any particular quarter could go up or down, but I think we've seen the bulk of Declines in DDA at this point. And as I mentioned and as Stu mentioned, having that 29% and north of that DDA is really going to be a key driver of NIM expansion in the future.

Speaker 3

Okay. And then On the expense front here, good expense controls. Avi previously provided guidance. I think the number is 206 to 209. Just looks like you're running below that trend if we kind of hold flat into the Q4.

Speaker 3

Just any updated thoughts on expenses?

Speaker 2

Yes. Typically, we don't re guide on expenses. I think my comment was we're just going to beat the full year number. We're really focused on keeping expenses as low as possible and we're going to use that as a base into next year. I think Stu said there's a lot of you opportunity to make new hires and revenue generating deposit and people on the loan side.

Speaker 2

So I think we'll look at both over time, that we're pretty comfortable in terms of beating that 206 number and we'll try to beat it as much as possible in the Q4.

Speaker 1

Okay.

Speaker 3

And just one last one for me. Just curious on where is loan pricing these days for you guys? And just It sounds like the business C and I business side remains strong for the pipeline, while obviously some further declines in CRE.

Speaker 1

Yes. So basically our pipeline is about $985,000,000 The weighted average rate on the entire portfolio is 7.90. But on the C and I side, the pipeline is about $321,000,000 and that The yield or the weighted average rate on those loans is actually 8.97%. So we have you quite a bit in that pipeline and then there's about $300,000,000 in owner occupied CRE, which is in the 7s. And interestingly, we only have $22,000,000 in multifamily in the pipeline.

Speaker 1

So obviously, our focus is on C and I and owner about

Speaker 3

CRE. All right, great. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Steve.

Operator

Thank you, Steve. Our next question is from Matthew Breese from Stephens Inc. Matthew, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hey, good morning. Good morning, Steve.

Speaker 3

I appreciate

Speaker 4

all the updates on the deposit side and certainly the inflection point this quarter Welcome to Juan. What I'm curious about is on the opposite side of the balance sheet. Movement in loan yields hasn't been as robust and a lot of it's tied to the longer duration nature of CRE, resi, multifamily. I was curious when you expect to see a bigger pickup In loan yields, provide some expectations around loan beta through the end of the year, early 2024, please.

Speaker 2

Yes, sure. So Matt, we've mentioned in the past, we have a Slide 9 investor presentation due about the next couple of years in terms of repricings and maturities off the real estate book. We obviously were not big originators back in 2017 2018 and typically those come due 5 years afterwards, right? So it's going to be a steady progression up. I think what's going to make the difference is The originations now are really focused on the owner occupied and C and I side.

Speaker 2

This quarter, we had a large construction loan payoff, which was a good thing. The rate on that was pretty high. So I think if you're replacing loans that are coming off at 5%, 5.5% at 8.5% to 9%, you're going to see that uptick over time. And our portfolio is also gearing more towards floating rate loans going forward. So I think it's going to be a steady build.

Speaker 2

We have outlined in our investor presentation too that there's a big slug of multifamily loans that are coming due in 20262027. Obviously, with current rates where they are, those are probably not going to prepay at this However, if you follow the forward curve and rates do drop at some point in 2024 2025, you could see some of that come in and we've outlined That's around 30 basis points of the margin once all those repriced. So let's say in the near term, we're following the cash flows and it's

Speaker 1

Yes. And I do think we'll see a pickup in the C and I business. So I'm looking right now, I expect between $100,000,000 $150,000,000 of C and I business to close in the quarter. We've got our first two healthcare deals that we'll either close late in the year or early 2024 and the yields on those are about 9%, 905, and that's about $50,000,000 So we're starting to see real traction on the C and I side at this point.

Speaker 4

Got it. Okay. And then, Avi, I know you don't provide quarterly NIM guidance, but historically you have kind of discussed for this institution what the appropriate NIM Should migrate to over time? And I'm curious in this kind of yield curve environment what that migration point, that point of gravity is.

Speaker 2

Yes. So I mean, so for example, in terms of the near term NIM that I probably didn't mention in my prepared remarks, The spot NIM in the month of September was around 235. So it kind of stabilized in September. We want to wait You have a couple more months of stability before officially calling the bottom for sure. So that was the near term thought process around that.

Speaker 2

Look, when we do our medium to longer term projections, obviously, with the long end being up, that's a good thing for us, right, because you're going to be repricing into a Higher rate environment as your deposit costs have stabilized. So I think getting back to that 3%, 3.25% area is the right you medium to longer term opportunity for us. And if the curve stays as if it's less inverted as it is now and if the 5 year continues to stay Where it is with 30% DDA, I mean, there's the probability that we can get higher than 3.25% in the long run. In the short term, it's obviously going to be methodical Every quarter expansion in 2024.

Speaker 4

Got it. Okay. Last couple of questions. Understanding historically multifamily, particularly rent regulated multifamily has been a risk free asset. But you.

Speaker 4

Does the combination of the 2019 rent law change with the still very tenant friendly rent guidelines board, higher expenses, higher loan yields And then the more recent Supreme Court decision, does that change the risk free nature, particularly with the rent regulated portfolio?

Speaker 1

Yes, Matt, not really. I mean, we took that into account in terms of our underwriting as we Originated from 2019 on and at Dime, legacy Dime, you. We changed our underwriting guidance to take that into account. You have to remember, we really never did any repositioning Multifamily, we underwrite very stringently. We raised our underwriting criteria We always had a very low LTV.

Speaker 1

And so what we're seeing is that we haven't had any you pressure in terms of the credit quality on the multifamily at all. And in fact, we have a significant amount repriced this year, where we haven't been asked for modifications. They just moved into a higher rate, which was obviously a positive. And you. So we're not seeing the pressure that others have, but when you have a 58% average LTV, there's a lot of equity in those buildings and these are generational owners that were not looking for quick hits and Repositioning of loans.

Speaker 1

So I think from our perspective, we still feel very comfortable. And obviously, Our delinquency and non performing numbers bear that out.

Speaker 2

Yes, Matt, the only other thing I'd add is we generally want in the multifamily 2017 2018. If you remember, that's when Stu got to Diamond, we pivoted our balance sheet. So for example, we only have $100,000,000 of multifamily loans that were made in 2018. So a lot of our production is post 2019 and taking this into account already.

Speaker 4

Got it. Okay. I mean, just Industry sources are starting to point to new transaction values down showing valuations down 30% to 45% in its asset class. And it gets you close to kind of your average LTV of 58%. I guess that's my bottom line point.

Speaker 4

And then I guess I'd be curious, Obviously, multifamily can bucket both the market rate and the rent regulated. How much rent regulated multifamily exposure do you have today?

Speaker 2

Yes, it's around a 3rd matter of our portfolio. Free market's around 2 thirds. 3rd rent regulator is around a 3rd basically. Look, I mean, at the end of the day, we can only tell you what we're seeing in our We're really not seeing any signs at this point in time. So we'll leave it at that.

Speaker 4

Totally understood. Okay. Thank you for taking my questions. I'll leave it there. Appreciate it.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Matt.

Operator

Thank you, Matt. Our next question comes from Mark Fitzgibbon from Piper Sandler. Mark, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hey, guys. Good morning. I guess I was curious first, what does the pipeline in new private client teams look like today? And of the private client teams you've hired recently, can you give us a sense for how much they've already brought in, in terms of deposits and loans?

Speaker 1

They've opened up about 2,000 accounts at this point and about 1,000 separate customers. Not All of that has funded yet. I'd say there's probably 500 to 600 accounts that haven't funded yet. I mean, at this point, they brought in about $250,000,000 and about 50% of that is DDA.

Speaker 5

Okay. In the pipeline of teams, Stu, would you say still quite a few out there?

Speaker 1

Yes. I mean, it's It's growing really steadily every week. We get reports twice a week and basically we're seeing steady growth every week.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then Avi, I wonder if you could share with us your thoughts on maybe restructuring some of the available for Sales securities book, given as you said that it's relatively short in duration and rates may be stuck up here for a little bit, is that something you're contemplating?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think at this point, probably not in honest, Mark. I think just having a little more stability in the banking industry in general is important. I think we're focused on building capital optically. We're doing that 10 to 20 basis points every quarter.

Speaker 2

So it's pretty short. It's going to run off here pretty quickly. So I'd say in the near to medium term, probably not, but something we evaluate and Update our analysis constantly.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then lastly, what are your thoughts around share buybacks you. Given the depressed level of the stock price, are capital levels an impediment to doing buybacks here?

Speaker 2

Not really, Mark. I think from a corporate finance perspective, it's screaming out to do buybacks. I think that Said in the current operating environment, I think clients value banks with capital and strong liquidity. And you You don't know how long the Fed is going to stay at these levels, don't know what's going to happen if they raise rates more. So I think at this point, we're keeping the capital to support our clients.

Speaker 2

There will come a time and place for buybacks. And as we've been very active on that front since the merger, and When the time is right, we'll do it. But like a lot of our peers, I think right now we're waiting and watching to see what happens over the course of the next 3 months or so.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, Mark. Our next question comes from Chris O'Connell from KBW. Chris, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hey, good morning. Yes, start off on the credit for this quarter. You. I noticed the reserve came down a little bit and that charge offs were a bit higher, but NPAs came down. Just any commentary around the movement this quarter and whether there was something charge off that was maybe fully reserved for?

Speaker 2

Yes. That's exactly right, Chris. So we had a we had a loan that's fully reserved. We took a charge on that, but I mean again at 18 basis points, it's pretty minimal overall. Our pool reserve has stayed pretty constant.

Speaker 2

So within our $70 odd 1,000,000 of reserves is around $53,000,000 for the general pool and that really didn't change much. So the overall pool Stay very

Speaker 4

consistent.

Speaker 6

Got it. And any color you could provide on the type of credit Any details around the one that was charged off?

Speaker 1

Yes. It was a line of credit to an individual Who was heavily involved in the hotel industry and never really recovered from the COVID Pandemic and been working with them for a while. We did get a significant pay down, but we thought at this point, We do have a judgment and we expect recovery, but at this point we thought it is prudent to take the charge and any funds we get in return, we take as a recovery.

Speaker 6

Great. Just regarding your commentary about the expenses going forward and you the potential to drive some efficiencies and things that you're looking at on a go forward basis. Just any color around where you guys are looking at to drive those efficiencies and what the potential magnitude of those efficiencies could be as we get into 2024?

Speaker 1

Yes. I mean, look, we've been Pretty active in looking at efficiency throughout the year. We had a reduction in force in June. It's a Constant state of affairs in terms of trying to look at opportunities across the board. Obviously, I mentioned we just outsource our data center.

Speaker 1

That's going to save personnel costs and equipment costs and whatnot. And that's going to register in the Q4. And we're looking you We're in our budget process now, so we're looking across the board in terms of opportunities to become more efficient. On the other hand, we want to take advantage of opportunities and we've done that so far in terms of hiring The Signature teams and our recent hire in terms of a healthcare vertical. And I think it's important that you.

Speaker 1

We don't want to just play defense, we want to play offense and take advantage of the opportunities that are out there. And I think We're one of the few banks that we're able to hire significant amount of teams from Signature and obviously it's paid dividends to us already. And we've been able to do that while keeping our expenses below our guidance. So we're going to continue to explore a number of opportunities. We are looking at certain areas that I think there's more expense savings available.

Speaker 1

But again, we've been doing that on a fairly regular basis. And I don't think we're going to do any Significant major initiatives, I think it's going to be very granular in terms of how we manage our expenses.

Speaker 6

Got it. And just on the loan growth, appreciate all the color around Pipeline and the rates there. As you're looking into the Q4 here And the amount of CRE in multifamily that might pay down or run off, how are you thinking about kind of net Overall loan growth for next quarter.

Speaker 2

Yes. I think, Chris, in our prepared remarks, we said the balance sheet should be Stable runoff in multifamily and CRE offset by C and I and owner occupant.

Operator

Thank you, Chris. Our next question is from Moshe Vrady from D. A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hey, good morning. On for Emmanuel here. Most of my questions have been asked. But could you to talk about your loan to deposit ratio and how it's going to settle in by the end of the year, just some color on that would be great.

Speaker 2

Yes, we're obviously down this quarter to 102. Obviously, if we keep loans flat and we grow deposits, it's going to continue to go further down. I think at the start of the year, we had said we had set a hard line and said we don't want to go above 107.5%, and that was you there was a banking crisis and deposits were in flux. I mean, at this point in time, we'd like to get to 100% as quickly as possible and then continue to move that Ratio down as deposits keep coming in.

Speaker 7

Great. Just have one more. In terms of the technology rollouts that you did last quarter, could you just provide some color on what the progress is in terms of the new business focused accounts and sorry if I missed that, but just some color on that would be great.

Speaker 1

Yes. So we rolled out our online banking digital online account opening process For retail, we're rolling out the digital online for commercial as we speak. And we're very happy with that. It kind of completes the package in terms of our digital capabilities. And our new bankers, our new private bankers and whatnot are using that.

Speaker 1

We're certainly going to continue to enhance that our online our new escrow management system has been very Successful and we're very happy with that. And so we're pleased with all the changes we made and It just adds to the suite of products for our customers.

Speaker 3

Fantastic. Thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

Thank you, Moshe. As a reminder, to ask a question you. We have no further questions registered today. So with that, I will hand back to your host, Stuart Lubro, for final remarks.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Carla. Again, I would like to thank all of our employees for their diligence and hard work as well as our shareholders for all their support, and We look forward to speaking to you all again at the end of January.

Operator

This concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines. Have a great day.

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