Harley-Davidson Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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October 26, 2023

There are 11 speakers on the call.

Operator

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Harley Davidson 2023 Third Quarter Investor and Analyst Conference Call. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to Sean Collins. Thank you. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Good morning. This is Sean Collins, the Director of Investor Relations at Harley Davidson. You can access the slides supporting today's call on the Internet at the Harley Davidson Investor Relations website. As you might expect, our comments will include forward looking statements that are subject to business risks that could cause actual results to be materially different.

Speaker 1

Those risks include, among others, matters we have noted in today's earnings release and our latest filings with the SEC. With that, joining me this morning for the first part of the call are Harley Davidson Chief Executive Officer, Joakim Ziets also Chief Financial Officer, Jonathan Root and LiveWire's CEO, Kareem Denez. In addition, for the Q and A portion of today's call, Harley Davidson, Chief Commercial Officer to Del O'Sullivan will be joining us as she usually does. With that, let me turn it over to our CEO, Jochen Zeitz. Jochen?

Speaker 2

Thank you, Sean, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today for Harley Davidson and LifeWire's Q3 results. I will start with an overview of the HDMC business for the quarter. Karim will then provide commentary on LiveWire, Jonathan will run out the financials for HDI, including HDFS before we go into questions. As we closed out the Q3 of 'twenty three, it is clear that the macroeconomic backdrop has been a challenge for our customers globally And in turn for our business, with both inflationary pressures creating affordability challenges and high interest rates contributing to slower upgrade pipeline.

Speaker 2

We've continued to work through the effects of the unplanned production suspension in June July, which impacted Q3 by delaying the availability of some of our high demand products, As well as altering our inventory mix, especially in North America. Given this complex environment, we continue to focus on the execution of our 5 year strategic Results for the quarter reflect a revenue decline of 9% at HDMC, partially offset by revenue growth of 15% at HDFS, contributing to an overall revenue decline of 6% for the quarter. This performance was driven by a 20% decline in wholesales Due to the production suspension announced in late Q2, prudent dealer inventory management and market conditions in line with our latest guidance. This was partially offset by both higher pricing and mix. Q3 year to date revenue for HDMC is up 2.1% despite the challenging conditions of the year.

Speaker 2

I want to provide a few more specifics behind these figures, taking into consideration both our hardwire strategy as well as the realities of our sector right now. Firstly, our hardwired strategy prioritizes our Stronghold categories of Touring, Softail, Trident, CBO. The premium segment has been disproportionately impacted this year as And as macroeconomic conditions have slowed down the upgrade cycle in these categories, particularly in a long running platform like Rushmore and Turing. It is important to note, however, that we continue to enjoy market leading economics More than 70% share in these highly desirable and profitable categories in North America. We believe that customer desire for Harley In TouringBike, the pinnacle of motorcycling remains undiminished despite the well entrenched narratives to the contrary And that both differentiation and a compelling value proposition can drive growth even in a challenging market.

Speaker 2

Secondly, our retail volume in North America in particular has been adversely affected by the sunsetting of our legacy Sportster, which was a share builder in the cruiser category. We believe our RedMax platform introduced in 2021 to be both unique and tech forward And that the platform when positioned competitively has the potential for customer adoption to grow over time. Thirdly, We remain focused on managing inventory our dealer channel to protect desirability and long term profitability. Given overall market conditions, we've It is important to note that the production suspension late in Q2 created challenges to our timing, mix and distribution of inventory in the channel, which we also work to address throughout the quarter. It is also worth noting that as we finished 23 production at the end of last week, We believe current inventory and any remaining shipments for this year's product will support retail volume throughout Q4 and early in 2024.

Speaker 2

We also recognize that the market conditions where demand is more uneven requires us to operate at inventory levels that are higher than what we saw in 2021 2022. Lastly, we've increased our marketing and promotional spend to both support our loyal customers and dealers in a challenging environment And manage inventory mix against our strategic objectives, particularly with product arriving later in the year. While this spend is higher than in both 2021 2022, it's important to note that this investment is targeted, limited And balanced across traffic driving and support for closing deals. We've seen this yield many learnings and better alignment with our dealer network. Despite the many challenges of the year, there are significant highlights to share.

Speaker 2

Firstly, our CBOs have been very well received in the market With sales in the category up 25% versus prior year and demonstrating strong sell through. Our dealers and customers are excited by the evolution this product up 12% for the year at the end of Q3. We're actively expanding capacity for our TRYCO offering while driving more production to our orders models With breakout in the softtail category being a good example of this. Both these examples demonstrate that even through difficult conditions, a compelling offer coupled With a strong value proposition can drive growth. Through the quarter, all global regions continue to show strong profitability, driven by a strong focus on mix management and growth in our most profitable categories.

Speaker 2

This turnaround has contributed significantly to the bottom line for our business And we believe this provides a solid platform for future profitable growth. As some of you have already noted on October 3rd 4th, we had an in person dealer America, this event had 3 objectives. Firstly, to share exciting product developments with our dealer network. Secondly, to build further alignment with our plans and investments designed to maximize impact in 2024 and thirdly, to get us all energized and prepared for what's to come in 2024. Over the course of 1.5 days, our agenda spend product introductions, growth Profitability planning, go to market alignment and updates on key initiatives like membership and loyalty.

Speaker 2

Feedback on the event has been overwhelmingly positive with over 90% of attendees satisfied with the information shared and the meeting overall And with dealers highlighting the value of this session to ensure we are fully aligned as we enter the back half of our hardwire strategy. As we've said before, we believe our dealer network is the strongest, most exclusive and most powerful dealer body in all of powersports It remains a critical competitive advantage to drive growth, manage inventory and support our customer experience. Before I hand it over to Karim, Harley Davidson remains committed to its hardwired strategy with a focus on both profitability and desirability, And we'll do everything possible to achieve our goals. That said, we're certainly realistic that current market conditions are challenging, But we'll continue to focus on what we can control, including scrutinization of our OpEx and focusing on cost productivity gains.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Yorel. Good morning, everyone. Q3 saw many important developments for LiveWire As we continue to advance our product portfolio and build out our commercial footprint. Most importantly, We started production of the Delmar at the Harley Davidson factory in York, Pennsylvania. This is an important milestone for LiveWire.

Speaker 3

After multi year investment in the S2 platform and the in house development of the LiveWire battery pack, motor, power electronics and software. We believe these investments have given us an industry leading technology and the capability to rapidly adapt and advance the S2 platform, while reducing LiveWire's dependency on third party suppliers. Our early customers have now started to receive their Del Mar and the bikes are on the road in the U. S. Those riders that have experienced Del Mar are impressed by how the bike delivers on the LiveWire promise with outstanding specs and a more accessible price point.

Speaker 3

With production now ramping up, We expect to see increasing volumes in Q4 as we get more bikes to more customers. We recently announced European pricing for the Del Mar, confirmed delivery dates in Q1 2024 and open reservations. 2 weeks ago, we hosted media and influencers from across the European market at a Del Mar press event in Barcelona, building early momentum for the spring riding season. Our development teams are working hard to leverage the existing spaCyc and LiveWire platforms to extend the group's portfolio and bring more options to more riders. As we look to the end of the fiscal year, Our cash investments are in line with our plan.

Speaker 3

We also expect to meet our most recent guidance based on demand and current daily production outputs. Thank you. And now I'll hand it over to Jonathan.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Karim, and good morning, everyone. The Q3 of 2023 is the 4th time under our new reporting structure with the 3 business segments of HDMC, HDFS and LiveWire. In Q3, global wholesale shipments decreased by 20% as Jochen referenced earlier, Due to the production suspension announced in late Q2, prudent dealer inventory management and market conditions in line with our latest guidance. In addition, we comped a very strong growth quarter that was up 19% in 2022. From a Q3 revenue standpoint, Improved global pricing and our continued focus on core motorcycle mix of Touring and Cruiser motorcycles We're able to partially offset the unit decline.

Speaker 4

This enabled us to turn in a consistent margin performance on a year to date basis. Turning to our financial results in the Q3, total consolidated HDI revenue of $1,500,000,000 was down 6% compared to last year. The breakdown was at HDMC, revenue declined by 9%. At HDFS, revenue grew by 15% and at LiveWire, revenue declined by 45%. Total consolidated HDI operating income was $209,000,000 which was $129,000,000 lower than the prior year.

Speaker 4

The breakdown was: at HDMC, operating income of $175,000,000 was 37% lower than the prior year. At HDFS, operating income of $59,000,000 declined by 27% on a year over year basis. And at LiveWire, an operating loss of $25,000,000 was in line with our expectations. 3rd quarter earnings per share of $1.38 is down 22% as a result of the factors noted. As we look at our year to date results, total consolidated HDI revenue $4,800,000,000 was up 4% compared to the same period last year.

Speaker 4

The breakdown of this was at HDMC, Revenue increased by 2%. At HDFS, revenue grew by 17% and at LiveWire, revenue declined by 39%. Total consolidated HDI operating income was $800,000,000 which is $105,000,000 lower than the prior year. The breakdown of this was: At HDMC, operating income of $705,000,000 compares to $709,000,000 in the prior year's period, reflecting a strong operating margin of 17.4 percent in 2023 year to date. At HDFS, operating income of $177,000,000 declined by 30% and at LiveWire, An operating loss of $82,000,000 was in line with our expectations.

Speaker 4

Year to date earnings per share of $4.65 compares to $4.68 last year. Global retail sales of new motorcycles were down 16% versus the prior year. In North America, Q3 retail sales declined by 15%, driven by the impact of a high interest rate environment on consumer discretionary purchase decisions. In addition, the discontinuation of legacy Forster bikes at the end of 2022 continues to have an adverse impact on non core unit sales. In EMEA, Q3 retail sales declined by 13%, driven by the planned unit mix shift towards profitable core product segments.

Speaker 4

Core bikes now comprise 80% of sales, up from 70% in 2022. In Q3, touring bikes were up 10% versus prior year. In Asia Pacific, Q3 retail sales declined by 24% versus prior year, which is down sequentially relative to Q2 2023 when retail sales were up 24%. The weakness in Asia Pacific was primarily driven by weaker than expected demand in China, where the Chinese economy was softer than we had expected. In Latin America, Q3 retail sales declined by 11%, driven by weakness in Brazil that was partially offset by growth in Mexico.

Speaker 4

Beneath the surface of our Q3 retail results, we note that the production suspension that we experienced for several weeks in June July of 2023 had an adverse impact on retail sales, particularly in the key North American market. It delayed deliveries in high demand units to the end of Q3 rather than earlier in the season. It also created challenges in the distribution and mix of the inventory in the channel. This held back our preferred motorcycle mix versus what we had expected. On a year over year basis, average inventory in Q3 was up by more than 50% to broaden product availability compared to the exceptionally tight levels of 2021 2022.

Speaker 4

Dealer inventory continues to be down versus 2019 level. We believe current dealer inventory plus remaining 20 23 calendar year shipments will support the rest of Q4 and early Q1 of 2024. From a retail pricing standpoint, New Harley Davidson Motorcycle transaction prices in the U. S. Year to date have been broadly in line with our desirability threshold A plus or minus 2 percentage points of MSRP.

Speaker 4

At the HDMC segment, revenue declined by 9% Due to lower wholesale units shipped in Q3, wholesale units were down 20% in Q3. Looking at the HDMC revenue bridge and focusing on the key drivers for the quarter, 18 points of decline came from decreased volume At HDMC, which was primarily driven by the previously mentioned decrease in wholesale motorcycle unit shipments. Three points of growth came from pricing through both global MSRP increases and pricing across the parts and accessories and apparel and licensing businesses. Mix contributed 6 points of growth as we continue to prioritize our most profitable models and markets. And finally, foreign exchange was flat in Q3.

Speaker 4

At HDMC, operating income of $175,000,000 in Q3 was 6.1. Lower than prior year, driven by lower wholesale shipments and higher operating expenses. HDFC gross margin in Q3 was 31.7%, which compares to 34.4% in the prior year. The decline of 2.7 points or 2 70 basis points was driven by the negative impacts of lower volume, unfavorable manufacturing impacts and foreign currency more than offsetting the positive impacts from pricing and shipment mix. We experienced more modest cost inflation, which was approximately 1% in Q3.

Speaker 4

On a year over year basis, the deceleration continues to be largely driven by logistics, including lower expedited shipping expenses and favorable ocean freight rates. Raw materials and metal markets have also continued to moderate. HDMC operating margin came in at 13 point 5% in Q3 from 19.6% in the prior year. The decrease was due to higher operating expense, including higher people costs and marketing spend. For the year to date period at HDMC, operating income of $705,000,000 compares to $709,000,000 of operating income in the prior period.

Speaker 4

HDMC operating margin of 17.4% in the year to date period is approximately 50 basis points lower than the prior period. The small decrease is due to the negative effects of volume, foreign currency, Supply chain costs and higher operating expense offset by the positive effects of higher pricing and improved mix. At Harley Davidson Financial Services, revenue increased by 15%, driven by higher finance receivables and higher interest income. HDFS operating income in Q3 was $59,000,000 down 27% compared to last year. The Q3 decline was driven by higher borrowing costs as well as higher provision for credit losses due to realized credit losses and an increase in the credit reserve.

Speaker 4

In Q3, HDFS's annualized retail credit loss ratio came in at 2.7%, which compares to 2.6% in Q2 of this year. During the quarter, losses followed their typical seasonality curve with performance in line with expectations. These levels compare to an annualized loss of 1.9% in full year 2022. The increase in credit losses was driven by several factors relating to the current macroeconomic environment. In addition, the allowance for credit losses for the 3rd quarter increased to 5.4%, up from 5.3% in Q2 and from 5.1% during fiscal 2022.

Speaker 4

Total retail loan originations in Q3 were down 15%, while commercial lending receivables were up 39% So $1,050,000,000 behind stronger product availability compared to prior year. Total quarter end net financing receivables, including both retail loans and commercial lending receivables, was $7,700,000,000 which was up 4% versus prior year. Total interest expense in Q3 was up $23,000,000 or up 38% versus prior year. The increase was driven by higher cost In the capital markets, cash and committed bank and conduit facilities resulted in an HDFS liquidity position of $2,500,000,000 We believe this has put HDFS in a very strong position from both a funding and liquidity perspective. For the LiveWire segment, 3rd quarter revenue decreased from $15,000,000 to $8,000,000 versus prior year due to the lower unit sales LiveWire 1 Electric Motorcycles and Stasic Electric Balance Bikes.

Speaker 4

During the Q3 of 2023, LiveWire began shipping DelMar, the first motorcycle on the company's S2 platform. LiveWire operating loss of and cost of standing up a new organization. 3rd quarter also saw a sequential decrease in LiveWire's operating loss of $7,000,000 as compared to the Q2 of 2023. Wrapping up with Harley Davidson, Inc. Financial results.

Speaker 4

Year to date, we delivered $707,000,000 of operating cash flow, which was up $132,000,000 from the prior year. The increase in operating cash flow was due to positive working capital activity driven by a larger decrease in inventory in the 1st 9 months of 2023 versus the same period in 2022. Total cash and cash equivalents ended at $1,900,000,000 which was $148,000,000 higher than at the end of Q3's entire year. This consolidated cash number includes $200,000,000 from LiveWire. Additionally, during the 1st 9 months of 2023, as part of our capital allocation strategy, we bought back 6,100,000 shares of our stock at a value of $226,000,000 As we look to the rest of 2023, We are reaffirming our most recent full year guidance, which expects HDMC revenue growth of flat to plus 3%, HDMC operating income margins of 13.9% to 14.3%.

Speaker 4

We continue to believe the anticipated positive impacts from pricing And our cost productivity efforts within supply chain will offset expected cost inflation and currency headwinds. At HDFS, we continue to expect operating income to decline by 20% to 25%. In Q3, we experienced Higher realized credit losses than in Q2 as seasonality played out as we had expected. We continue to stay focused on several Under way to effectively manage the business in today's credit environment, including increased investment behind collections and stronger repossession efforts. And we continue to build other revenue sources such as licensing and trademark revenue and insurance revenue, which continues to exceed that from the same period prior year.

Speaker 4

LiveWire continues to expect unit sales between 601,000 units and an operating loss range of $115,000,000 to $125,000,000 This forecast incorporates the updated launch timing of the new Delmar electric motorcycle. And lastly, for total HDI, We continue to expect capital investments of $225,000,000 to $250,000,000 as we continue to invest behind product development and capability enhancements. Through the 1st 9 months of the year, we have seen cost inflation generally in line with our expectations and continue to expect in aggregate About 1 to 2 points of inflation for the full year of 2023 compared to 4% in 2022. Labor and warehousing costs continue to be the primary drivers of inflation with deflation and moderation expected within logistics, freight and raw materials. We now expect $70,000,000 of cost productivity in 2023 as a result of the updated production environment.

Speaker 4

This is down from an estimate of $100,000,000 at the end of Q2. For HDFS, we expect the operating income declines to moderate in the last quarter of the year as we begin to comp the interest rate increases and normalizing losses that began in late 2022. As we look at capital allocation for the remainder of 2023, our priorities remain to fund the growth of the hardwire initiatives, which includes the capital expenditures mentioned previously, paying dividends and executing discretionary share repurchases. In summary, we are pleased with the resiliency of our financial results, especially our margin performance despite a complex retail environment. And with that, I'll turn it back to the operator to take your questions.

Speaker 4

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We also ask you to limit yourself to one question and return to the queue for any additional questions. Thank you. Your first question comes from Craig Kennison from Baird. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Between retail sales and your HDFS portfolio, you have very good insight into the areas of stress The consumer is facing today. I'm just wondering how you would describe the U. S.

Speaker 4

Consumer today at various income levels and credit tiers. And then what the key pages of your recession playbook might be if we indeed enter a recession in 2024?

Speaker 5

Good morning. Thank you for your question. I think we see some of the elements that you are describing around consumer health Show up in a couple of different metrics. We certainly in the first place see a lot of customers sitting on the sidelines essentially just putting these this level of repurchase to the side in 2023, which obviously for us a business that is very much dependent upon an upgrade cycle, a certain regularity It's quite a meaningful impact. That I think is the first factor we have understanding of that through market research of just customers So putting a purchase of this nature out of their mind in a year like 2023.

Speaker 5

Secondly, you see a lot of customers, maybe even those with high creditworthiness Looking at the level of the rates and saying that having a certain amount of rate shock and saying we are not going to pay those level of rates Based also on many years and many decades of lower rates. So that is the 2nd place where it shows up. And then the 3rd level is Potentially for our more credit challenged customers or customers at a different income level potentially a little bit lower. Just looking at the monthly payment that results Particularly when you consider a trade in that might be worth a little bit less given what was paid for in 2021 2022, not seeing the ability to really add To their monthly payment to manage an upgrade or a new motorcycle purchase. It's just a limit of affordability within their month to month budget.

Speaker 5

So it is prevalent in a couple of different places, just people sitting this year out, people not willing to Pay those rates and then just difficulty potentially in reaching the monthly payment. I'll let Jonathan in a minute comment a little bit more on the health of the customer. But to your second point around our Our session playbook is very much rooted in our strategy, which is we intend to continue to defend and protect the most important and profitable categories For our business, our stronghold categories of touring, trike, CVO and Softail. As Joakim mentioned in his commentary, even in a difficult year Like this one, we have seen that where we have a stronger value proposition, product innovation, we see relatively stronger performance. So that intent to continue emphasizing innovation and development in those stronghold categories.

Speaker 5

We will continue to work with HDFS And with our dealers who are the best in the business, with the right tools to put in the market to be able to make each and every customer that is interested in a motorcycle Be able to find the right combination of factors and the right bike for them and continue to use other important aspects of our business like used Motorcycles like P&A and A and L to make sure that consumers are still flowing to the dealerships and still have the opportunity to engage with our brand Even in a recessionary environment.

Speaker 4

Thank you.

Speaker 2

And before Jonathan takes on just In terms of recession playbook, obviously, we are going to take a hard look at OpEx and cost productivity. I think those are two areas where We have room for improvement given the developments in the market. And obviously, we know that in the last couple of years, cost productivity Due to the inflationary pressures we've seen has declined, and that's something we are taking a very hard look at in addition to OpEx In order to be prepared for no matter what comes our way.

Speaker 4

Okay. Thanks, Joakim. And I'll just add a couple of points. I think Adele covered this really nicely. But I think with where we are in consumer health, we are seeing a more So as we reach out to the consumer from an HDFS perspective, they are working a little harder To balance payments across their portfolio than where they were.

Speaker 4

Certainly, when you look at the segments, there's more tension in subprime than there is in prime. Across the HDFS business for a number of years, we've been reducing our exposure to the subprime side. So the portfolio has less Subprime consumers than it has versus the last few years. To provide a little bit of color in terms of where we are in delinquency, We're certainly seeing delinquency up a little bit versus the same period prior year. This is also demonstrated and Closed on our page 13 where we walk through what we're seeing from a credit loss standpoint as that kind of moves up.

Speaker 4

And then with that, we've taken some changes In the provision to make sure that we are covered from a future perspective. And then just touching a little bit further on recession playbook. I think Joakim hit on a couple Really good thoughts, right? Making sure that we're looking at the OpEx side of our business to ensure that we're bringing out costs where we can. We're not stopping there.

Speaker 4

We are continuing to go a little further and make sure that we are thinking about the cost of goods sold side and really diving in there To ensure that we can hit targets. And then the last piece, I think, is from a recession playbook perspective when we look at HDFS and think about some of the near term actions Obviously, the portfolio that you have is the one that you work with. So from the standpoint of what we do day in and day out, It's really about making sure that we have the appropriate collection staff in place, that we're going after customers in a way that's fair and helps bring them current. And then we also look at kind of different technology tools that we can use to help our associates and help our customers. So reaching out to customers in different fashion.

Speaker 4

So rather than just in a telephone approach, we make sure that we can use text, that we're using email, That we're really allowing customers to interact with us in ways that they want to. And then last point that I'll touch on is that we do actually run our calls Through an AI process to really look and make sure that we're comfortable with the way that our collectors are interacting with consumers. So overall, I think very good question, something that we certainly feel like we're managing in line with the environment that we're in. But again, good question. Thank you so much.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Robbie Holmes from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I was hoping, you know, Yochen and everyone could maybe give us some thoughts It's on the dealer inventory levels. And are they still out of balance? And are you is there a lot of work to do to get them more in balance in terms of More trikes and less Sportsters and things like that.

Speaker 6

And what would be the timing Getting the dealers in the position you would want them to be in from the inventory mix standpoint? And related to that, how should we think about Supporting dealer promotions going forward and also maybe supporting HDFS Promotions as well. Should we think about that for the Q4 as an impact on gross margin? And any thoughts on how that might Spill into the first half of next year.

Speaker 5

Thank you, Ravi, for your question. Let me touch upon the point around inventory first. So certainly, we have been working throughout the course of Q3 to ensure that we are getting to the right level and the right mix Of inventory as you appropriately note in the channel. It is certainly no secret that as we have gone through some of the Supply disruption that Joakim referenced, which has shown up in both our supply chain as well as an overall the timing of the units That are available in the dealer, that has led to some impact upon our ability to retail within the quarter. That is either, as I said, Combination of timing of when the units arrive or the mix of units that we have in the channel.

Speaker 5

Well, certainly, there are dealers that are Concerned about the level of inventory given particularly what floor plan costs are today. I think you would find in our network that there is still a healthy number of dealers that would say that their Concerns are more focused around the mix of the inventory that they have. As you know, things like trikes and even our new CVOs and the timing of when those units Have made it to their dealership. So we are working through the remainder of the year as we wrap up our production of model year 2023 To ensure that we are focused on those units that are in highest demand and that we manage a mix at the level of individual models And to be closer to what we believe will be necessary in Q4 and even into the early part of the year. It's important to note that the inventory that we have now plus any remaining Shipments of model year 2023 is in fact the inventory that supports our retail largely into the new year.

Speaker 5

Now to your question on overall level of promotion and how do we expect that to play out, we have been Using some of these tools really to help us against our strategic inventory objectives, make sure that we are balancing that mix and Some of the challenges that may be in the overall distribution of inventory in our network. These promotions in many instances have A reallocation of sales incentives that would have been present in other formats. So we have found that their impact To date on our gross margin is somewhat muted, but we're really trying to ensure that we are driving traffic, that we are supporting our dealers and our most loyal customers In this environment and that we are again managing against those strategic inventory objectives, so you will find that they are very targeted and very specific On families and models that we think are priority. Maybe just one last point broadly on the question of inventory. In this environment, we have found that it is Necessary for us to operate at higher levels of inventory than we would have seen in 2021 or 2022.

Speaker 5

Just that the customer Demand is a little bit more moderated and there is a little bit more sort of specificity on what the customer is looking for and certainly even supply disruptions have added To our need to have a little bit more inventory in the channel to make sure that we can meet consumer demand for the specific price that they are looking for. Just wanted to note that as well.

Speaker 6

That's very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Joseph Altobello from Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Thanks. Good morning. Just want to follow-up on that last commentary regarding dealer inventories. You mentioned that they are elevated versus 2021 2022. And if my math is right, I have you guys at about 15 weeks on hand.

Speaker 4

I think you ended last year around 10 weeks. So just so I'm clear, it sounds like you're comfortable at that 15 week level overall, or do you think that number comes have to come down a little bit next year, somewhere between that 10 week and 15 week number?

Speaker 2

Yes. We are, Joseph, very comfortable with that number at this point. Obviously, we'll have to see how the Q4 unfolds. But all the effects that Adele has mentioned play into this. And therefore, from today's perspective, we feel that The inventory level is okay.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Your next Question comes from the line of James Hardiman from Citi. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my call. So I was hoping maybe we could bridge the gap between Sort of where we are from a retail perspective and the guidance, I think we're down about 9% year to date, Which I've got to think is worse than where you previously thought it would be and yet the HDMC guidance is still for flat Up 3%. So obviously pricing seems to be playing a role. You got a big benefit in the Q3.

Speaker 7

So maybe help us bridge that gap For the year and really more specifically since you've already reported the 1st 3 quarters, for the Q4, I get to about flattish revenues implied For HDMC in the Q4, I guess how do you get there? What are you assuming for retail, ASP shipments, etcetera.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, James. I think, look, we are not providing retail guidance. And from a wholesale perspective, I think you've done the math, right? What you should From a retail perspective, bear in mind and we've elaborated on that during the script, is that actually more than 50 Percent of the retail decline is attributed to the retirement of the sports store, right?

Speaker 2

So that has a significant effect and that will continue All the way until the sports is retired out, which is more or less at the end of the Q2, and that's in line with our strategy. So bear that in mind when you look at retails and retail declines.

Speaker 4

Yes. And I think the only piece that I would add on the As we think about the business and it's demonstrated in a year to date basis is the strength of what we have seen from a mix and a pricing perspective. So obviously, I know there's often a focus out there in terms of units, units, units. And as we look at how we're running the business, we are certainly working to make sure that we're maintaining Price advantage wherever we can.

Speaker 7

That's helpful. I'll hop in the queue back in the queue. Thanks guys.

Speaker 2

I think, James, as a little bit of additional context, when we compare things, right, often there's a reference made to 2019. And Besides the fact that it's a completely different environment with many factors different today versus 2019, including obviously interest rates And consumer sentiment, our HDMC profitability went from 9.1% to 17.4%, An 8.3% increase percentage point increase. So that's substantial. And I think It's a testament even in this current environment that we're in that the strategy is working and the profitability is there as And that's on a year to date basis, but also applies to the Q3 where we've seen an increase from 4.4% OI To 13.5 percent in comparison. So please bear that in mind, that's a 9.1% increase in operating income percentage point.

Speaker 2

So I think that's also the context. As we as Jonathan mentioned, you guys are focusing a lot on unit sales and everything else. I think profitability is something not to be disregarded.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Tristan Thomas Martin from BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Good morning.

Speaker 8

I just wanted to circle back to promos for a second. During the quarter, I think you're running $3.99 with 0 down. And then post the quarter, you switched to $1.99 with 0 down. So what is the consumer response And to the lower rates and is that kind of the level we should expect from Harley moving forward? Thank you.

Speaker 5

Thank you for the question, Tristan. So as we mentioned, we are we have several different potential challenges to consumer behavior and different objectives Strategically around our inventory, which is how we have designed our promotional activity. We have tried and experimented a couple of And we'll take a look at the different tools to make

Speaker 7

sure that we are

Speaker 5

addressing several of those channels, both at the top and the bottom of the funnel. Let me start by saying that many of these promotional Efforts are also in many ways traffic drivers 1st and foremost. We want to make sure again in an environment where the consumer is potentially not focused on a discretionary purchase Of this size that we are back in their consideration set. So that is one very important component of the actual reach or applicability of the promotion. We have found that the low APR has been well received by our dealers and by our consumers.

Speaker 5

Also at this time of year, We usually see consumers that are looking for that maybe a little bit higher creditworthiness and are looking for really a good offer and that's where we're targeting our promotions. But first and foremost, our efforts are really around the balance of driving traffic, driving awareness, making sure that we're back into consideration set Just as much as it is about closing deals for the consumer at the level of the dealership.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Noah Zatzkin from KeyBanc Capital Markets, please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Hi, thanks for taking my question. Just wondering if you could provide some Color or help quantify the impact of the production suspension on 3Q shipments and how you think about the retail impact during the quarter there. Do you expect resumption of shipments to be a retail tailwind in the 4th quarter?

Speaker 2

Well, if you look as we mentioned in our speech that shipments Have resumed, but they actually came in later than we had hoped for in the Q3. So Some of our most desirable products came in later in Q3, and that certainly has had some impact. To quantify The impact on retail is quite difficult. So I'll refrain from that. But the interruption has certainly messed up our mix a little bit and the shipment of our most desirable units and that impact we've certainly seen play out.

Speaker 2

Now how much you can how much of that you can Pickup in the Q4 remains to be seen, but that's obviously what we're trying to achieve.

Speaker 9

Very helpful. Maybe just one more, and I know you're not guiding to 2024, but as it relates to HDFS, I guess, how are you thinking about Kind of a baseline for expected credit losses next year given higher rates? Thanks.

Speaker 4

Yes. You're welcome. So Good question. We're actually not talking about 2024 or 2024 guidance at this point. We want to make sure that we close out the year And have confidence in what we are communicating further out.

Speaker 4

So we'll probably hold on that. I think the important point for us is as we look at what you've what we've displayed Again, within the presentation today, what we're seeing in terms of realized retail credit losses, certainly those have accelerated. We think that we're starting to comp a period that's a little bit easier from a comp perspective than where we were in the first half of the year. So the kind of the trend that we're on is in the right direction, but probably not the right severity. So that will We'll start to slow down a little bit as we move into the back quarter or the final quarter of the year.

Speaker 4

But again, as we look forward to 2024, we're going to Save that for a future call with you that's a little bit more informed and a little bit more accurate. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of David S. MacGregor from Longbow Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Yes. Good morning, everyone. I wanted to ask about LiveWire. And it seems as though you're still targeting that 600 bikes at the low end of the range, Which would imply a pretty substantial inflection in shipments here in the Q4. I guess, how confident are you in that 600 unit So target, can you talk about what percentage of these bikes may be pre sold at this point?

Speaker 8

Have you adjusted your planned price point on the Delmar To account for maybe some of the affordability issues that were discussed earlier in the call. And I think importantly, at what rate does the operating loss respond to the ramp in unit shipments?

Speaker 3

Good morning, David. Thanks for the question. Well, our level of confidence is where it should be to reaffirm guidance, right? We have Enough demand to fulfill the guidance in terms of number of units. We're back in production ramping up right now as we speak.

Speaker 3

We feel pretty confident that between demand that we have with preorders along with the capacity available at York That we can fulfill that number. So that's the first part of the question. The second, we stick to the pricing that was communicated earlier.

Speaker 7

Okay.

Speaker 8

Are you able to speak to at what rate the operating loss response to the ramping unit shipments?

Speaker 3

Well, the operating loss is in line with the investments that were planned for the year. So at this stage, it's exactly the rate that we're

Speaker 7

I guess I'm just trying to

Speaker 8

get a sense of going forward what that operating leverage, debt volume leverage might look like in 'twenty four, 'twenty five as we ramp? Well, I think I will give

Speaker 3

you the same response Jonathan just gave, which is we don't comment on 24, 25 on this call.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Brandon Rule from D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. Earlier in the call, you touched on the dealer forum you hosted in early October. Would you be able to touch on a few of the topics you discussed there? Feedback we received from dealers was overwhelmingly positive, Especially around new products, but also some of the initiatives you're taking for 2024.

Speaker 5

Thank you, Brandon. Well, that's good to hear. We thought it was an excellent session as well. The main objective really was around the business Planning opportunity with our dealers. Well, certainly there was value to all of us being together again as a broader sort of HDMC and dealer body.

Speaker 5

Our main objective is to make sure that we are aligned going into 2024 on what we need to do to make sure that we have a very Strong year. We believe our network, as Joakim referenced in his commentary, is really a differentiated asset for us in terms of its reach, It's strength, it's exclusivity. So the more that we can align and ensure that we are going to market together on some critical initiatives, the better. Our main agenda topics, we certainly had a section of this around product, which we don't comment on our future product initiatives, but obviously a very important part Of the session was making sure that our dealers were aware of some of what is planned for 2024 As they think about their own operations. And then we did a more a broad set of we covered a broad set of topics around business alignment and some of our key initiatives, membership and loyalty, our apparel business, our broader omni channel initiative, how we're thinking about profitability and growth.

Speaker 5

And again, very, very heavy And again, very, very heavy discussion or a big component of the agenda around ensuring that we are aligned in our go to market And in our marketing investments in particular, again, leveraging the strength of that network and the investments that they bring to bear in the engagement with consumers. So we felt it was an incredibly valuable session. It was a wonderful opportunity also to just energize around What has been in many ways, a challenging year. So it was I think will bear fruit as we go into 2024 in a much more aligned and energized network.

Speaker 7

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of James Hardiman from Citi. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hey, thanks for taking my follow-up. So back to sort of the inventory conversation, I think I get why Inventories would be up versus 2021 2022. Those were pretty depleted levels. But I guess what I still struggle with here, Inventories are versus 2019, they're down less than retail is, right? And so days on hand, weeks on hand, At least by my math are up fairly meaningfully versus 2019.

Speaker 7

And you can when you first came in, it seemed like the message was pretty loud and clear that you guys Thought that inventories were way too high coming out of 2019. So help me sort of square those two things. I mean, it just It feels like so much of the effort in the 1st couple of years went towards leaning out the channel. And as we sit here today, we're sort of Worse than we were back then, at least on a weeks on hand basis.

Speaker 2

Yes. I'll let Edel Comments here as well versus 2019, but I don't think you can compare 2021 2022 to what we are seeing now. And For all the reasons that I've mentioned in earlier on, it's a very different environment. Demand is more selective. We've had a production Interruption that and in order to get the right mix to the dealers, we need to structurally have a higher inventory if demand is more selective On product as well.

Speaker 2

And we still end up and I'll hand it over to Adele here, significantly below 2019 levels. So And I know that the way you're doing the math is a little bit different to ours in terms of reach of the inventory. But from everything we've seen and everything we are hearing, we feel that we're in a good spot here.

Speaker 5

Yes, James. I think the comparison point to 2019 is important. There are, as Jochen mentioned, a couple of differences in terms of Where we are now more broadly in the business cycle than in 2019. So the first thing that I would say is undoubtedly we have been working throughout the quarter, Certainly since the production shutdown to make sure that we are adjusting our overall inventory levels. And again, it's less about the total units, which are Still down versus 2019 than it is about the mix of the units in the channel.

Speaker 5

That's something that we certainly continue to hold as a very key principle Our overall hardwire strategy is to make sure that we have adequate representation. The second element and it really isn't to be Sort of underestimated is the impact of the delay and the mix of what we were able to produce, particularly in the early part of the quarter Against our retail objectives. So that is something where we believe many of those units, particularly the CBOs, Are still units that have the potential for retail in the year. So that is something to take into account as we look at the full 2023. But that is certainly a factor that we have been working through in the back half of the year.

Speaker 5

The third fact that I would note and this is again a difference versus 2019 in the cadence of the year overall. We have stopped production of 2023 units as of this week. We will continue to ship those obviously as they finish up and we load plan etcetera and match them to dealer demand. But essentially That is a big distinction versus our business cycle in 2019. We would have continued shipping units well into Q4 and sort of Of course.

Speaker 5

We are deliberately tapering down that production as we get ready for 2024. And then the final point that I would make and this is something that we have We learned this year with the change of our model year to the beginning of the calendar year. We intend to be fully ready for 2024 Across all of the families and particularly those where we have seen very high demand, Tariq was referenced early in the conversation, And where we have struggled quite frankly all year to meet that demand in a timely fashion and a heavily seasonal business. And we want to be ready for 2024. We want to be ready for that ramp We believe inventory has an important role supporting the beginning of the year.

Speaker 5

And if you look at it through that lens, We are in a meaningfully different position than we were in 2019. So those are a couple of the different factors that we are weighing and balancing. Certainly working through it, trying to get the mix right, which is our most important consideration. Managing the total units, obviously important this year, Given the extra cost for the dealers, but ensuring above all that with the different production cadence, we are ready and prepared For the start of the season in a heavily, heavily seasonal business.

Speaker 7

And if I may, can I just clarify, I mean, to this mix question And the wind down of SportsDirt? So the SKU count versus 2019 is what? It sounds like the SKU count is actually Down, so that should help bring down inventories, correct? Or am I not thinking about that the right way?

Speaker 5

Yes. When I refer to mix, I refer to mix both within and across families. So the balance relatively between, our for example, our Softhill family and our Trike family versus what we have within the Touring family, Those are some of the inputs. Those were that balance is one that is not exactly or has not been exactly what we would have wanted across Q3. And even within something like our touring family, 55% of our portfolio, there is a relative balance of some of our higher end More complex units, our STs and our specials versus our base road guides and street guides, all of those individual units Given supply disruption and then potentially even the change in consumer preferences and affordability throughout the year, Our units that we try to correct and I should note all of this is in the context of manufacturing realities, transforming sort of the mix Of a manufacturing facility within the year is not an easy task.

Speaker 5

So it is progressive and that's what we have been doing throughout the back half of the year To make sure that we have the right combination of families and then even models within those families to prepare ourselves and to more closely match where demand is.

Speaker 7

Understood. I can appreciate it. It's not an easy task. So I appreciate the color. Thanks guys.

Speaker 5

Thank you.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for joining and you may now disconnect.

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