Terex Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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October 27, 2023

There are 13 speakers on the call.

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Terex Third Quarter 2023 Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Paretosh Mitra, Head of Investor Relations.

Speaker 1

Good morning, and welcome to the Terex Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. A copy of the press release and presentation slides are posted on our Investor Relations website at investors. Terex.com. In addition, the replay and slide presentation will be available on our website. We are joined by John Garrison, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Julie Beck, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

Speaker 1

Their prepared remarks will be followed by Q and A. Please turn to Slide 2 of the presentation, which reflects our Safe Harbor statement. Today's conference call contains forward looking statements, which are subject to risks that could cause actual results to be materially different from those expressed or implied. In addition, we will be discussing non GAAP information we believe is useful in evaluating the company's operating performance. Reconciliations for these non GAAP measures can be found in the conference call materials.

Speaker 1

Please turn to Slide 3, and I'll turn it over to John Garrison.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Paretosh, and good morning. I'd like to welcome everyone to our earnings call and appreciate your interest in Terex. I'd like to begin by thanking all Terex team members around the globe for their exceptional efforts in this challenging global macroeconomic environment And for their continued commitment to our Zero Harm Safety culture and Terrace Way values, safety remains the top priority of the company, Driven by Think Safe, WorkSafe, HomeSafe, I'm proud of the Terex team members' resilience as they continue to work tirelessly to improve our performance for our customers, dealers and shareholders, while maintaining a safe working environment. Please turn to Slide 4 to review our strong Q3 financial results. This quarter, the team delivered Sales of $1,300,000,000 up 15% from last year operating margins of 12.7% An expansion of 190 basis points from the prior year and earnings per share of $1.75 up 46% on a year over year basis.

Speaker 2

As a result of solid execution by our team members throughout the year In a robust backlog, we are increasing our full year earnings outlook to approximately $7.05 per share. Please turn to Slide 5. Terex products have leading positions in diverse and attractive end markets. The global focus on sustainability is driving increasing investments in infrastructure, digitization, Waste recycling and electrification. These megatrends provide additional growth opportunities for all of our businesses.

Speaker 2

Our MP aggregate business, led by Power Screen and Finley, have leading positions in global mobile crushing and screening markets that will benefit from growth in the demand for construction materials. Mobile aggregate equipment has the benefit Reducing unnecessary material handling and the ability to recycle material at the point of use. MP Brands, including Ecotec, CBI and Terex Washing Systems are at the forefront of developing innovative solutions to meet rising demand for recycling technologies. Our utilities business offers a wide portfolio of products to support strengthening demand from electrification investments. NRGini booms, scissors, verticals and telehandlers Are essential components of any infrastructure or on showing project.

Speaker 2

Let's turn to slide 6. We remain encouraged by the favorable trends in our key markets, especially in North America. The U. S. Is investing in infrastructure with the 3 federal stimulus programs that were passed in 2021 2022.

Speaker 2

These investments provide a source of resilient demand visibility over the next several years. More than 35,000 projects, Representing in excess of $120,000,000,000 in funding have been announced or awarded. 15% year over year, while manufacturing spending is up 63% in the last 12 month period, Driven by multibillion dollar and multi year investments related to semiconductor manufacturing, clean energy and EV battery projects. In addition, the biggest growth areas in construction will be publicly financed or built by manufacturers who are on shoring To reduce geocritical risk and these investments are less sensitive to interest rates. Our end market diversification is a strength And we are excited about the opportunities to grow our business.

Speaker 2

Please turn to Slide 7 to review our backlog. Our Q3 backlog of $3,300,000,000 remains significantly above historical levels And it's the 2nd highest in recent history, providing healthy momentum going into 2024. Although backlog has declined sequentially from Q2 levels, this is a function of improved manufacturing production volumes and customer deliveries. Consolidated Q3 bookings remain solid at approximately $900,000,000 and reflects a return to more normal ordering patterns For our dealers and customers, importantly, we are seeing minimal customer and dealer push outs and cancellations. The higher interest rates, inflation and geopolitical uncertainties have had an impact on Europe, and we are seeing softening in that market, But it's important to emphasize demand in North America is very strong.

Speaker 2

For more than 2 years, our backlog levels have increased As we've been constrained in our production ability due to supply chain challenges. As we and the industry improve deliveries and lead times, Our backlog will eventually return to normalized levels, which is a good thing for our customers. In addition, Elevated customer fleet ages and low dealer inventory levels continue to provide encouraging signs for the demand environment. In our Genie business, the industry replacement cycle and significant global investments in infrastructure, on shoring And electrification creates a clear opportunity for future growth. In our MP segment, in addition to these favorable trends, Dealer inventory levels remain low in several businesses.

Speaker 2

Overall, our customer feedback, Bookings, significant backlog and leading indicators give us confidence going into 2024. Please turn to Slide 8. The global demand for waste recycling solutions is increasing, Driven by involving regulations and consumer preferences. The MP segment is well positioned to capitalize on these opportunities. Our Evoquip brand recently added a shredder capable of handling multiple applications, including construction and demolition waste.

Speaker 2

Our Ecotec metal separator can efficiently extract valuable metals from a variety of waste sources. And Our CBI business continues to find new market applications for equipment, such as recycling of windmill blades. This eliminates the need for landfill disposal when blades are decommissioned and replaced. I am confident the MP business We'll continue to provide innovative solutions to support the increasing demand for recycling technologies. Please turn to slide 9.

Speaker 2

Our sustainability practice deliver stakeholder value. During this quarterly investor call, We've reached one of the pillars of our ESG strategy. This quarter, we are highlighting environmental stewardship. Our 2023 sustainability report published earlier this week highlights products and solutions that enable our customers to operate in sustainable ways. Approximately 70% of our MP and Genie products Are now offered with electric or hybrid options, while 10 of our sites are operating using 100% renewable energy.

Speaker 2

We reached our 2024 greenhouse gas targets 2 years early and reduced our emissions intensity by 15% from our 2019 levels. We are proud of our team members' accomplishments in helping build a more sustainable economy. Turning to Slide 10 for an update on our strategic operational priorities. We continue to make great progress on our execute, innovate and grow strategic initiatives. Our operations teams executed well during the Q3, Maintaining their focus on improving deliveries for our customers and continuing with cost reduction and productivity improvement initiatives.

Speaker 2

On a year to date basis, our sales are up 23% and operating margins are up 400 basis points, Demonstrating the strength of our operating model and the improvements we've made over the last several years. Supply chain performance has improved throughout the year, But we continue to experience disruptions in the system. In the Q3, our Monterrey Mexico team members were focused On increasing production, start up of our in house paint systems and process improvements, I want to congratulate our Genie Monterey team members for earning the prestigious LEED Gold Certification, Demonstrating our commitment to sustainable practices in design, construction and operations. Our investments in new products and technologies will enable us to take advantage of the sustainability trends such as recycling, Electrification and decarbonization. We remain confident in our ability to execute our strategy

Speaker 3

And with that, let me turn it over to Julie. Thanks, John, and good morning, everyone. Let's take a look at our Q3 financial performance found on Slide 11. Sales of $1,300,000,000 were up 15% year over year on higher volume and improved price realization necessary to mitigate rising costs. Sales in constant currency were up 13% as foreign currency translation positively impacted sales by $25,000,000 or approximately 2%.

Speaker 3

Gross margins increased by 150 basis points in the quarter as volume, Pricing, improved manufacturing efficiencies, cost out initiatives and strict expense discipline helped to offset cost inflation. SG and A increased over the prior year due to inflation, incremental spend on new acquisitions And increased marketing, engineering and technology expenses. SG and A was 10% of sales, A decrease of 40 basis points from the prior year with business investment offset by continued strict expense management throughout the company. Compared to last year, income from operations of $163,000,000 increased 35%. Operating margin of 12.7 percent was up 190 basis points and our incremental margin was 25%.

Speaker 3

Interest and other expense of $14,000,000 increased $1,000,000 from the prior year as higher interest rates We're partially offset by favorable mark to market adjustments. The 3rd quarter global effective tax rate was 20%. 3rd quarter earnings per share of $1.75 increased 46%, representing a $0.55 improvement over last year. This strong performance was driven by increased volume, disciplined pricing and continued cost management. Free cash flow for the quarter was $106,000,000 representing a $53,000,000 improvement over the prior year, Primarily driven by increased operating profit, hospital inventory at the end of the 3rd quarter was $20,000,000 A decrease of $3,000,000 from the 2nd quarter and a 68% improvement from the prior year.

Speaker 3

Free cash flow conversion was 89% in the quarter. On a year to date basis, our sales were up 23% over the prior year. Operating margins have expanded 400 basis points at an incremental margin of 30%. Earnings per share are up 90% And free cash flow is increased by over $200,000,000 Let's take a look at our segment results, Starting with our Materials Processing segment found on Slide 12. MT had another excellent quarter with consistently strong operational Sales of $541,000,000 increased 18% compared to the Q3 of 2022, driven by strong demand for our aggregates, environmental and concrete products.

Speaker 3

On a foreign exchange neutral basis, Sales were up 16%. MP operating profit increased 37% over the prior year, driven by higher sales volumes, Favorable product and geographic mix, improved manufacturing efficiencies and disciplined cost management With strong operating margins of 16.9%, up 2 30 basis points, MP's incremental margin was 29%. NP ended the quarter with backlog of approximately $900,000,000 The backlog remains robust And approximately 2 times historical norms, bookings were slightly higher than historical averages for the 3rd quarter. On Slide 13, see our Aerial Work Platforms segment financial results. AWP had a solid quarter with sales of $751,000,000 up 13% compared to the prior year on higher demand, improved supply chain and disciplined pricing actions to offset cost pressures.

Speaker 3

On a foreign exchange neutral basis, Sales were up 11%. AWP operating profit increased 47% over the prior year And the team delivered operating margins of 12.5% in the quarter, up 2.90 basis points from last year With an incremental margin of 34%. The improvement was the result of higher sales volumes, Favorable geographic mix and cost reduction initiatives offsetting increasing costs and moderate start up inefficiencies. Genie had a strong quarter, but our utilities business was negatively impacted by manufacturing inefficiencies due to supply chain issues And related unfavorable product mix. Bookings of $536,000,000 were up 4% sequentially And at levels typical of historical Q3 bookings, with a solid backlog of $2,500,000,000 which is 3 times the historical norm.

Speaker 3

Negotiations with the national accounts continue and we expect to return to seasonally higher bookings In Q4. Please see Slide 14 for an overview of our disciplined capital allocation strategy. Our strong balance sheet provides us with financial flexibility to invest in our future growth. Year to date free cash flow Has increased $205,000,000 over the prior year. We continue to invest in our business With Q3 capital expenditures of $34,000,000 primarily related to our Monterey facility, We increased our dividend 31% since the beginning of the year, which reflects our continued confidence in the company's strong financial position And future prospects.

Speaker 3

Year to date, we have returned $66,000,000 to our shareholders and are currently purchasing shares as we believe our shares are an attractive investment. We have no debt maturities until 2026 And 85% of our debt is at a fixed rate of 5% until the end of the decade. In addition, We have paid down $118,000,000 of debt over the last 12 months. Our net leverage remains low at 0.5 times, which is well below our 2.5 times target through the cycle. We have ample liquidity of $846,000,000 And we reported a return on invested capital over 29%, well above our cost of capital.

Speaker 3

The company is in an excellent position Now turning to Slide 15 and our updated full year outlook. It is important to realize we are operating in a challenging macro environment with many variables and geopolitical uncertainties, so results could change negatively or positively. With that said, this updated outlook represents our best estimate as of today. Thanks to the strong performance of our team members and robust backlog, we are raising our 2020 outlook To approximately $7.05 per share and over 60% improvement from 2022. Our increased sales outlook of approximately $5,150,000,000 represents a 17% increase from the prior year and incorporates the latest dialogue with our customers and our suppliers.

Speaker 3

Our sales in the Q4 of the year Are expected to be sequentially lower due to normal production seasonality and supply chain challenges, but consistent with prior year. We are maintaining our operating margin outlook of approximately 13%, a 3.50 basis point improvement from the last year. We reaffirm our free cash flow outlook of $375,000,000 for the full year, Approximately $225,000,000 higher than the prior year. Let's take a look at our updated segment outlook. Based upon MP's continued strong execution, we are increasing our sales outlook to over $2,200,000,000 At an operating margin of approximately 16.1 percent, we expect MP's 4th quarter sales to be up slightly in Q3 and margins to be sequentially lower due to a less favorable geographic and product mix.

Speaker 3

This outlook represents a 15% increase in sales and an 80 basis point improvement in operating margin from the prior year. The G and E team has executed well. And as a result, we are increasing our AWP sales outlook to over $2,900,000,000 We expect a sequential decline in AWP's 4th quarter sales due to fewer production days. We are updating our full year operating margin outlook to approximately 13.3% due to material supply chain issues impacting our utilities business. AWT's outlook reflects a 540 basis point improvement from the prior year And an incremental margin over 40%.

Speaker 3

On behalf of my fellow Terex team members, I want to thank John for his significant contribution, leadership and dedicated years of service to Terex and wish he and his family a happy retirement. John has been instrumental in transforming our company into the Terex of today, which comprises a very strong portfolio of market leading businesses worldwide. Under his leadership, Terex has experienced remarkable success and remains well positioned for continued growth. And with that said, I will turn it back to you, John.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Ewing. Turning to Slide 16 to conclude my prepared remarks. Tariff is well positioned for growth to deliver long term value for our stakeholders Because we have a strong portfolio of diverse market leading businesses that operate in attractive growth markets and are well positioned for long term profitable growth. This growth is going to be bolstered by attractive global megatrends. We deployed our operating systems across the businesses, improving our execution, allowing us to generate consistent profitability And superior return on our invested capital.

Speaker 2

We have a strong balance sheet and cash flow to support our growth plan. And we have a global experienced and resilient leadership team that has clearly demonstrated the ability to create value. It has been an honor to help the company position for sustainable, profitable growth and to make progress towards becoming a workplace All team members feel included with a voice in the enterprise. Leading Terex has been the highlight of my career. Without a doubt, our success and achievements have been driven by our dedicated engaged team members Who live our Terris Way values and zero harm safety culture each and every day.

Speaker 2

Terris is in a strong position And now is the right time to begin the transition to the next leader. I've had the privilege of working closely with Simon for a number of years. He has proven to be a global strategic thinker with a natural ability to lead teams and drive results. I have great confidence that he is the right leader for Terex as the company focuses on delivering long term value for our stakeholders.

Operator

And with

Speaker 2

that, let me turn it back

Speaker 1

to Paretosh. Thanks, John. As a reminder, during the question and answer session, we ask you to limit your questions to 1 And I'll follow-up to ensure we answer as many questions as possible this morning. With that, I would like to open it up for questions. Operator?

Operator

Our first question comes from Stanley Elliott from Stifel. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hey, good morning, everyone. And John, for starters, thank you so much and congratulations on the transformation. That's been impressive to watch.

Speaker 2

Thanks,

Speaker 4

Dan. First question here on the backlog, still incredibly healthy. Can you all talk about the visibility that you have? I mean, I'm assuming you guys are close to fully booked for 2024. Maybe what sort of visibility does that give you into 2025?

Speaker 4

And then maybe any commentary on pricing or mix in those numbers?

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, Dan. If we look at our overall backlog of $3,300,000,000 It's 3 times our historical norms. And total bookings of about 900,000,000 In the quarter, we're solid and actually slightly higher than our historical averages that we've experienced. Our book to bill, I think, has been consistent with improving supply customer deliveries and really the theme will be beginning to return for a more normal seasonal pattern Both for our customers and for our deliveries.

Speaker 2

As we mentioned, we continue to see minimal order cancellations and push outs, which I think expresses the Strength that we have in that backlog and the coverage is right. We've got more than approximately 2,000,000,000 Booked for 2024 and we believe that does drive momentum into 2024 across the enterprise. And if I look at the respective segments, if you look at MP, they've got a backlog of about $900,000,000 and that remains high. It's twice Our historical norms. Historically, our MP business is much more of a book to bill and usually only has about 1 quarter of visibility.

Speaker 2

We have substantially more than that as we go forward. And again, their bookings were slightly higher than our historical averages. Looking into 2024, the order book varies by business. For example, our aggregate order book for Q2 twenty 24 really didn't open in Q3, it opened here in Q4. And so that again, as things return to more normal seasonality, We'll see that flow going forward.

Speaker 2

We think dealer inventories, especially in certain brands, are relatively low and need to be replenished as well as some of their rental fleet. So we think As well as some of their rental fleet. So we think that provides some tailwind for us as we go forward as well. And then our opening comments and just the investments, especially in North America on infrastructure spending and on shoring is going to help that business Not just in 2024, but as we go forward. And then if you look at our AWP segment, we've got about 2.5 book there, which is 3 times our historical levels.

Speaker 2

And again, book to bill there is consistent with Improving supply chains and the beginning of return to seasonality. Bookings again are slightly above our historical, averages. We're right in the middle. Q3 is usually a low period, if you will, for the Genie business. And as we get into Q4, we're right in the middle Our negotiations and conversations with the national accounts, so that's ongoing and would expect that to conclude here in Q4.

Speaker 2

And again, demand remains quite strong. If you listen to the rental companies, they're seeing really utilization, their fleets of age, they need to be refreshed, the significant megatrends infrastructure projects. So again, North America quite strong. And then there the replacement cycle has been delayed, if you will. And so the replacement of the fleet has to continue given the age of the fleet.

Speaker 2

So we think that provides A significant tailwind for us as we go forward. So overall, if we look at our bookings and our backlog and customer feedback is strong, Our bookings are strong. The backlog is significantly higher and leading indicators. So that gives us confidence and some momentum as we go into 2024.

Speaker 5

Perfect. And then kind of sticking on

Speaker 4

the MP business, when would you guess like dealer It might actually normalize given the infrastructure spending on the horizon. And then also any commentary on some of the newer products and on the recycling products that you guys have been

Speaker 2

Yes. So in terms of normalizing inventory, it will vary by business. And I think our aggregates businesses would say kind of as things continue on this pace middle of next year probably, our Fooks business, we can talk They do have higher levels of inventory that's been impacted by scrap metal prices. So it does vary by business. But over the course of time, we would expect those to normalize As we move through 2024, Sam.

Speaker 4

Perfect. Thanks so much and best wishes to you, John.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Sam.

Operator

Our next question comes from Steve Volkmann from Jefferies. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Great. Good morning. Thank you and congrats, John. My Question is about margins in AWP, and it sounds like there were a couple of Kind of temporary headwinds in the quarter. I think we mentioned Monterey startup utility business kind of below normal.

Speaker 6

Is there any way to kind of ballpark the impact of that on the AWP margin in the 3rd quarter?

Speaker 3

Sure. Thanks for the question, Steve. AWP had operating margins of 12.5% in the 3rd quarter, and it was up 290 basis Supply chain is improving and disciplined pricing and that offset some of the cost increases. Our execution and successful cost out management, we continue to see the hard work by the Genie team showing up in our financials and cost out initiatives as well. But these positives were partially offset by the expected inefficiency due to the Monterey ramp up.

Speaker 3

So that was Included in our outlook and we've talked about that on previous calls. But additionally, this quarter, we were disappointed in supplier performance to the utilities business, which Unfavorable manufacturing inefficiencies and related unfavorable product mix. We were able to get sales out, but less favorable margin sales in the quarter Utilities business and that had an unfavorable impact and probably about $0.12 a share in the quarter. And so overall, our Q3 incremental margin was 34% and AWP increased our profit by almost 50% And margins improved by 290 points because of Genie's strong execution in the quarter.

Speaker 6

Great. So the $0.12 would just be the utility business?

Speaker 3

Right. And that would be offset we had favorable performance in the quarter by the MP business, of course, was up by about $0.10 and the Genie business

Speaker 6

Okay. That's helpful. And then just to Sort of follow on there, I guess, is it feels like utility has been a bit of a focus, Shall we say, for a few quarters now, what's the outlook for kind of getting that where it needs to be?

Speaker 2

Yes, thanks. So the team, to be straightforward, we're disappointed in our performance in the quarter, supplier related. The team on the good news side, the supply chain is improvement on the specific issues that we had in the Q3, created significant inefficiencies for us, But that's continued to improve. So the operational execution improvement needs to occur, will occur. We're anticipating an improvement In Q4, the good thing Steve is that the backdrop for that business is incredibly strong And they're booked out through 2025, for the most part in most product categories.

Speaker 2

I'm sorry, through 2024. Let me rephrase that, through 2024. And so the market demand for that business is quite strong. We just need to improve our operational execution Deliveries, which we will as we go forward.

Speaker 3

That business has been severely hampered by supply chain issues.

Speaker 6

Yes. Right. Good. Got it. Thank you, guys.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Seth Weber from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Hey, everybody. Good morning. And John, echo the congrats and enjoyed working with you. So Happy, Charles. Hi, Charles.

Speaker 7

Yes. I wanted to get a better understanding for the implied 4th quarter, MP margin, which It's down year over year and it's down sequentially a bunch, even though revenue looks like it's going to be up a little bit. I'm just Wondering if you could give us some more details on what's going on there, whether it's a mix issue or product region issue or what, just Any more color there on MP margins?

Speaker 3

Yes. Thanks, Seth. MP had operating margins 16.9% in the 3rd quarter, up 2 30 basis points from last year. I mean, they just continue to perform extremely well. They continue to invest in the business as well, and we made prudent investments to grow the business.

Speaker 3

But the margins benefited in the quarter from Favorable regional and product mix and improved manufacturing efficiencies. And also, they had in the quarter, we received About $3,000,000 of R and D credits. We get this annually. It came in Q3. And so that was a favorable amount Received in Q3.

Speaker 3

Going forward, we expect strong NPE full year sales, over 2,200,000,000 We expect Q4 sales to be up slightly from the Q3. We did increase our outlook to 16.1% as the team continues to have their excellent performance. And the margins of the 15% in the Q4 will be strong, but sequentially lower due to a less favorable geographic and product mix, As well as some higher sequential engineering expense because the R and D credit that we received in Q3, won't repeat itself. But Overall, NP continues to deliver consistent and strong operating performance.

Speaker 7

That's helpful. Thanks. And then just Maybe just the commentary around Europe, can you just expand on the softness that you're seeing there? Is that across both MP and AWP? And is that the source of the cancellations that you've been seeing?

Speaker 2

Thanks, Seth. And in terms of cancellations, again, we've had minimal cancellations and But we have seen and we did call out some softness in the European market. We've actually been pleasantly surprised Well, it's held up. But if we look at Europe in our MP business, on the aggregate side, our sales were up And backlogs are quite high there. But customer sentiment in Europe is not nearly as strong It's the customer sentiment in North America.

Speaker 2

Our Fooks business was we saw some softness in the Fuchs business again associated with falling scrap metal prices. Now the good news for that business, the team has worked hard over the years to diversify. We're seeing some of the sales into our environmental business with the Fuchs machine branded EcoTech. So again, a mix there. But clearly, Fuchs saw some softness.

Speaker 2

And I would say, in general, softness in Germany, where Fuchs is headquartered and has a strong market. And then we called out last quarter, our tower crane sales softness and we saw continued softness In the tower crane business in Europe. And on the Genie side, sales and bookings were holding, but again, it's that customer sentiment. It's not quite as strong. We're just we're highlighting that the European market, especially the U.

Speaker 2

K. And Germany, we're seeing some softness there. Again, we believe it's going to be offset by the strength we're seeing in North America, but Europe is in a different place due to the geopolitical risk, inflation Than North America right now. So those are the businesses that we're seeing softness. We're watching closely the bookings in those But again, it's really about the customer sentiment being very different in Europe right now,

Speaker 7

It makes sense. Thanks. Thanks, everybody. We'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 1

Thanks. Thanks, Seth.

Operator

Our next question comes from Steven Fisher from UBS. Please go ahead. Your line

Speaker 3

is open.

Speaker 8

Thanks. Good morning, John. Best wishes. It's been a pleasure. Just to confirm the utilities impact, you reduced the AWP segment margin guidance by 50 basis points for the year.

Speaker 8

I think the $0.12 you called out would translate directly to that $0.50 I think so just to confirm, You haven't assumed any impact on negative utility supply chain for Q4?

Speaker 3

Yes. Well, we're expecting it to improve in Q4 from Q3, but we're not expecting it to Turn to pre pandemic levels, we're expecting it to return to more of our normal patterns in the 1st and second quarter.

Speaker 8

Okay, great. That's helpful. And then at this point, I know it's early, but I'm Curious about the signals that you look at.

Operator

I

Speaker 8

know you talk a lot about backlog and visibility for next year, but I guess Overall, did the signal suggest that you could have a year of growth in your 2 businesses? Are there any Sub segment that you can say with sort of most confidence that demand should be growing in 2024?

Speaker 2

As you know, in Q3, we will provide a the team will provide a detailed outlook on our Q4 earnings call. And as you know, our customers and us right now are in the middle of our planning cycle. But with the strong backlogs we have with the $2,000,000,000 booked, We do believe that that drives momentum into 2024. We did just discuss some of the offset, if you will, with some softness in Europe. But in the U.

Speaker 2

S. Market, it's quite strong. In my opening comments, you heard me talk about the tailwinds that's occurring because of these 3 legislative acts, The significant increase in non residential construction spending, if you listen to, especially in the Genie business, if you listen to the rental Customers, they're buoyant. They're seeing growth in their business because of these incredible amount of physical stimulus That's occurring, the mega projects, the size of the projects, the duration of the projects. So that provides a very nice tailwind.

Speaker 2

And we believe that provides a nice tailwind across our businesses In North America as we go into 2024. So I would say customer feedback, especially in North America is strong. Our bookings are at or near our kind of historical levels. So that's a good signal. Backlog significantly higher Then historical levels and then just leading indicators around construction and construction spending and the type of construction spending I.

Speaker 2

E. Public finance and then these onshoring projects are going to occur irrespective of what interest rates are. As I said in my opening comments, that's to reduce geopolitical risk control the supply chain going forward. And so that's going to continue. So it does give us confidence and some momentum going into 2024.

Speaker 2

But again, with $2,000,000,000 of backlog, that's good for us historically. It provides that momentum into 2024. And for all, the team will provide a 2024 outlook in our Q4 earnings call.

Speaker 8

Perfect. Thank you very much.

Operator

Our next question comes from David Raso from Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Your line is open.

Speaker 10

Hi. Thank you very much, John. Best of luck. Enjoy family. Thanks, David.

Speaker 10

And obviously congratulations to Simon. The spirit of the question is Just trying to frame the potential incremental margins in AWP for next year, just thinking about trying to leverage that backlog. The numbers I'm running for the impact on utilities on the segment for 3Q and 4Q, it feels like ex the utility Impact, you wouldn't really have changed much to the AWP guidance much, right? A little up on the revenue, but the margins So feel like they would have been about the 13.8%. And I know that was your guidance, but I mean, I think people are looking for a little more leverage, Some upside in the profitability.

Speaker 10

Can you take us through just your thoughts around what's different in 2024 versus 2023? What could impact the margins? And I'm thinking about Monterrey. I'm thinking about the mix, the price cost. I think people are just trying to figure out.

Speaker 10

And as you know, one of your competitors Had decent leverage yesterday in that segment. Just trying to get a sense of how we should think about the puts and takes On incrementals 24 versus 23? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. So I'll jump in and then Julie can jump in. So at the highest level, From a price cost standpoint, again, our pricing strategy is not going to change. We price to offset material freight and labor cost increases. We are seeing continued Inflationary pressures, our team is working hard to offset that, David.

Speaker 2

But we do believe that there is pricing and there's pricing in our backlog For 2024. So price cost neutral is what we've been driving for. Our job is to control cost, push cost, Get the price that we need in the marketplace to offset that. So that's how I'd comment on price cost, no significant difference as we transition from 2023 Into 2024. We've spoken about Monterey.

Speaker 2

Monterey, as we ramp up Over the course of the next 18 months and through 2024, that does create some inefficiencies with the product line moves. And again, our Q3 forecast, The Monterrey team delivered what we expected. They were right on. We expected that in our outlook. We would expect that continuing, David, Through 2024 and as we enter into 2025, that's that 200 basis point overall kind of margin improvement For the Genie business as we go forward.

Speaker 2

Within that AWP segment, we do need to see and that's on us, we do need to see improved performance On our utility segment, because that we did not get leverage, actually it was quite negative leverage in the quarter. And so we need to get that Business to that 25% incremental margin target that we set. So we would expect our utilities business to improve performance From 23 to 24, so that should give us some leverage. And then on our MP business, I mean, they are rock solid consistent. We're going to continue to invest on that.

Speaker 2

Sometimes our incremental margin is above, David, our 25% target. Some quarters, it's below based on where we are from Investment, investment profile, but they deliver consistent strong operating margin performance. And so that's I'd answer the question. As you know, David, we're in the middle of the planning process. We'll be pushing the team, obviously, for our cost out and cost out initiatives.

Speaker 2

We'll be pushing the team To drive manufacturing efficiency improvements as the supply chain and again, I think it's a reasonable assumption to assume the supply chain continues to improve. We're not all the way back yet, but we have seen improvement in 2023. So I think it's a reasonable assumption to say we should see some manufacturing efficiency improvements As supply chain improves and disruptions decline into 2024. So just macro high level from a CEO's Standpoint, I think that's how I'd answer the question, David.

Speaker 10

I appreciate that. And I don't mean to push on your maybe your last call here. But maybe if the CFO had Julie. It's the

Speaker 2

nature, David. Yes. Yes.

Speaker 11

Well, you won't be listening

Speaker 10

to the call the next time I ask the question.

Speaker 2

Oh, yes, I will.

Speaker 10

But Julie, just so I we can frame it, obviously, utility is hurting right now. But when I think of the size of that business, call it $550,000,000 $575,000,000 of revs, Can we see a swing back in that business worth 400 basis points or 500 basis points in that segment Year over year, just I know it wasn't quite that big a hit for them right now, but

Operator

for them, I'm talking about this

Speaker 10

for the year.

Speaker 3

I would say that we would expect Improvement in the utilities business, which will impact the segment. So let's talk about and so they were when you think about Margins, we talked about the impact of $0.12 a share in the quarter, and you think about that, that they were We still want to return this This is to low double digit margins and we do think that that's within sight. And so we'll continue to strive for that.

Speaker 10

And Monterey then the impact just to think about the path to the 200 bps, what would you expect 24 versus 23 that framework? What's the add, 2024 versus 23?

Speaker 3

So I would expect that we will see Disruption, remember, when you think about it, you think about it, there's disruption for the receiving location in Monterrey as well as the sending. But I think that we'll see that, but the benefit of that is the 200 basis points when we come out of 2025. So the Monterrey team was right on target and will continue to work hard to eliminate That to do better than what we've guided to and we've talked about that it could be somewhere between $10,000,000 $15,000,000 impact in 20 And we would expect some of that to continue into 2024.

Speaker 10

And lastly for me, any broad thoughts with Simon To think about where the balance sheet is, I mean, I would argue, right, Terex's balance sheet is about as strong as we've ever seen it. So just trying to think about any capital allocation commentary that you or Simon or the transition might provide Investors have to think about the use of the balance sheet. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Yes. I think, from our so yes, we do have a strong balance sheet. We have ample liquidity. We have $846,000,000 and net leverage is at 0.5 times. And as we discussed, the first thing we like to do is organic growth and we're investing in our facilities, in particular Monterey right now.

Speaker 3

And Those investments are paying off with a 29% return on invested capital. Of course, we've talked about even in my prepared remarks the increase of the dividend. And we've increased it 31% since the start of the year, and so we'll do that. And then we'll look at what we do. It will generate Significant cash and we'll look at whether we do inorganic or share repurchases.

Speaker 3

So inorganic, we've made some smaller investments and we've And we'll also look at share repurchases. And so we have repurchased $34,000,000 worth of shares year to date at the end of the quarter. We had $159,000,000 remaining on that authorization. Our goal, we always state that we want to offset dilution from incentive comp And also make opportunistic prices. And at these prices, we believe our shares are an attractive investment and we're out purchasing shares.

Speaker 3

So our strong balance sheet allows us to have flexibility and allows us to invest for future growth.

Speaker 10

All right. I appreciate the answer. And again, congratulations. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2

Thanks, David. Our

Operator

Our next question comes from Tami Zakaria from JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker 12

Hi, good morning. Thank you so much for taking my questions. So on your slide, you noted about over 35,000 projects approved or awarded in infrastructure, Probably more to come. And one of your competitors is increasing capacity in excess equipment. How are you thinking about growing market So if demand accelerate because of the tailwind?

Speaker 2

Yes. Great question. So From a footprint standpoint, specifically in access, with our Genie business, our Monterey facility really helps us to be globally Cost competitive, we are we'll have incremental capacity as we begin to ramp that facility as we go forward. So we believe we're in a good position from a capacity standpoint. We're still producing significantly less in unit volumes Than we did in the 2018 type timeframe.

Speaker 2

So from a capacity standpoint, we believe we'll have adequate capacity to take advantage of market growth. From a market share standpoint, our market share has held relatively consistent this year. The team is focused on new product development. And as we look at new product development, we do believe that new product development will help us as we go forward We've launched the new products that we've launched. We've seen a respective increase in the market position of those products that we launch.

Speaker 2

I can assure you the team It has a very active new product development program as we go forward. So we'll have leading edge products that deliver the best total cost of ownership In the industry and we believe that will position us well going forward in the Genie business.

Speaker 12

Got it. That's very helpful. A quick follow-up. Are you able to quantify the incremental capacity You expect some moderate, is it like a 5% to 10%, 10%, 15% any numbers? I

Speaker 2

would I'd quantify it this way and just say today We're still at, call it, 15% plus or minus, maybe even 20% less than we were in 20 eighteen-twenty 19 time frame, No, on a unit volume basis.

Speaker 12

Okay, great. Thank you so much.

Operator

Our next question comes from Nicole DeBlase from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker 9

Yes, thanks. Good morning, guys. John, congratulations on a very well deserved retirement.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Nicole.

Speaker 9

Maybe just first on the backlog within AWP, can you just talk a little bit about the mix of NRC versus IRC customers? And also anything interesting that you've seen from a product

Speaker 2

Nicole, I would say the mix is relatively consistent with what we've had historically. So it ebbs and flows quarter to quarter

Speaker 7

With the

Speaker 2

larger customers in Q4 when you sign their annual agreements, you'll see that quarter bump up. But if you just look at the backlog, say it's relatively consistent with historical norms, but it does ebb and flow quarter to quarter, especially when you book some of the larger national account orders.

Speaker 9

Got it. Thank you. And then just thinking about free cash flow into 4Q and then into 2024, I guess it seems like you guys still have quite a bit of opportunity from a working capital perspective. How do you think about that opportunity, particularly on the inventory side? Like Can you get back to historical levels of inventory?

Speaker 9

Can you just walk through that? Thank you.

Speaker 3

Sure. Thanks for the question, Nicole. Yes, the management team is focused on net working capital as a percentage of sales and it's actually part of our incentive comp program. So we're very focused on it. And we talked about inventory in particular a lot in our management meetings.

Speaker 3

We continue to have a hospital inventory today, but we have reduced that by 68% We will continue to do that until the supply chain disruptions abate. But we're very focused on working capital, and we'll continue to be focused on it and

Speaker 2

Yes, Nicole, you probably heard me say in the past, just in time turned out to be just late. And so In the channels, we're asking our suppliers will carry a little bit more inventory again to eliminate the disruptions That we've been seeing. And so but as Julie said, it is part of our incentive comp system. Return on invested capital is important to the company And improving return on capital of our working capital, we're incentivized to drive improvement in that metric as well. And the only caveat I'll say is a little bit is keeping a little bit more inventory until we see more steady state supply from the suppliers.

Speaker 2

So But we're focused on it.

Speaker 9

Thanks. I'll pass it on.

Operator

Our next question comes from Jerry Revich from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker 11

Yes. Hi. Good morning. And John, let me add my congratulations as well. When you took over 2015, Axial Equipment was at a pretty high point in the cycle and the company was earning sub $2 Per share and over $7 today.

Speaker 11

So congratulations on the strong transformation here.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jerry. It was a team effort.

Speaker 11

Can I ask in terms of The outlook for normalizing production rates now that logistics for the industry are catching up, As we think about what the production cadence looks like in 2024, it feels like we should be looking for a heavier 2Q and 3Q as a mix of total compared to what we've seen over the past couple of years as we've given deliveries to customers at Q1, Q4 that have been heavier? Is that right? Can we talk about that? Obviously, for Aerials, you're guiding to sales that are Flattish year over year in Q4 based on CapEx cadence, it sounds like Q1 is going to be down year over year potentially to your customers and bigger shipments 2Q and 3Q, I just want to run that by and see if that's consistent with how you're thinking about normalization.

Speaker 2

Yes. Jerry, I think that's a reasonable assumption. As we indicated, I think the business is all as supply chain continues to improve, Supply chains improved. I think as we transition into 2024, we're going to see a return to more normal seasonal patterns on bookings, backlogs, deliveries, Customer order patterns when customers would like to take equipment. So I think that's a reasonable assumption as we head into 2024, Jerry.

Speaker 11

Super. And John, in Europe AWP, there has been ebbs and flows based on product availability. So recently, you Folks have been able to ramp up deliveries from Asia that have driven the strong growth. This year, you had mentioned Demand might be a touch softer. Can you just talk about how you view as normalized levels of demand in Europe AWP considering Before this year, there has been more supply constraints for that part of your footprint?

Speaker 2

Right. So this year, supply constraints really We started to alleviate in Europe actually ahead of North America, Jared. Our sales and bookings in Europe are holding pretty constant in Q3. But again, just going back to that customer sentiment. The customer sentiment is not nearly as buoyant.

Speaker 2

And so we're watching that. We'll see. We're obviously there's some Not as many large national accounts in Europe, but we're engaged in those conversations as there are in North America. So more to come, but we thought it was Calling out that sentiment in Europe is definitely not nearly as strong as it is in North America.

Speaker 11

Yes. I appreciate the transparency and the discussion. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. And Jerry, let me just say on that. And it really as we look and it It goes to our telematics data as well. U. K.

Speaker 2

And Germany, other markets are holding up, but U. K. And Germany, we're seeing that sentiment. Thanks, Sean.

Operator

Our last question will come from Mig Dobre from Baird. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Hey, you squeezed me in. Thank you. Appreciate it. And John, all the best. Congrats.

Speaker 5

I guess I have a general question. Yes. I have a general question and a specific follow-up. Because the general one is, as you sort of look back at your tenure here, you've obviously done great things for this company. Is there anything that you sort of feel, not to say that you left undone, but you wish you could have gotten to, but you just couldn't that Simon and the team you think need to follow-up on.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Megan. We were talking about this as a team. And the reality is When you sit where we sit and you've got a value of continuous improvement, you look at all the things, man, we made a lot of progress and it's hard not to acknowledge The progress, the portfolio of the businesses, the improvements in the operating side. And but when one of your values is continuous improvement, you're never satisfied. And Continuing to drive that improvement in that area, I will say our safety performance, we were on a good curve that's flattened out.

Speaker 2

And so that's one thing I'll be encouraging the team to drive And clearly with the balance sheet, the M and A activity has been slow here this year. We've been on a couple of things that didn't work out. And so, we'd like to return to inorganic growth on the M and A side, and Hope not being a plan that we'll see that as we go forward. But again, we'll be disciplined. And that would be an area that I think there will be opportunity.

Speaker 2

I There is opportunity for the future and we've got the balance sheet and the cash flow to support that and or share repurchase if taken advantage as Julie said it. These valuations at this share price, it's a pretty high IRR return to our shareholders to be buying shares.

Speaker 5

Understood. Then my follow-up is on MP and I'm struggling a little bit to make sense of kind of what's going on from a demand standpoint because look, if we're looking at your orders in the quarter, Probably the lowest level of order intake that we've seen in several years here. And when I listened to what your European competitors like Sandvik or Epiroc were kind of saying about the processing side of their businesses. They're kind of seeing softer orders and demand in infrastructure as well. So I guess maybe an update for you as to sort of What's going on there?

Speaker 5

And do you expect demand to actually rebound in 2024? Or should we sort of prepare for discontinued gradual Order and backlog erosion. Thank you.

Speaker 2

So again, backlog, I think, will trend to more normal levels as production levels increase. I think book The bill is going to return to more normal levels as our lead times, because the other thing, our lead times are still extended in certain product categories. Again, our aggregates business is strong. I mentioned the sentiment in Europe. Concrete It's been strong in the U.

Speaker 2

S. I called out Fuchs. That's an area of potential softness. Environmental business though was strong and it's offset that. In our lifting business, we mentioned lifting softness in tower cranes, but real strength in our frana business down in Australia, they're booked out For the year.

Speaker 2

So overall, we're obviously very cognizant of what's going on, global business, global diversification, the diversification within MP. I think there's going to be some puts and takes as we head into 2024. And I would say probably the North American market remains Strong given the customer sentiment on this side of the pond, which is much stronger than Europe right now, especially in the U. K. And Germany.

Speaker 5

All right. Thank you. Good luck.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Mig.

Operator

We have no further questions. I'd like to turn the call back over to John Garrison closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you, operator. It has been a pleasure and I appreciate all the kind comments that the analysts had to interact with all of you and the investor community. I look forward to speaking with you over the coming months and introducing Simon as we transition responsibility over the coming months. If you have any additional questions, please don't hesitate to follow-up with Julie, John or Paretosh. And again, as always, thank you for your interest in Terex.

Speaker 2

Operator, you can disconnect the call.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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