Tilray Brands Q1 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Tilray reported a record Q1 net revenue of $177 million, up 50% year-over-year, driven by growth in its cannabis and international segments.
  • The acquisition of eight Anheuser-Busch craft beer brands boosts Tilray’s beverage alcohol portfolio to a pro forma $300 million in revenue and elevates it to the #5 U.S. craft brewer.
  • Since year-end, Tilray has paid down $177 million of debt and secured a new $120 million credit facility that extends maturities to 2028.
  • Ongoing price compression and high excise taxes in Canadian adult-use cannabis weighed on non-GAAP gross margins in the cannabis segment, which fell to 35%.
  • Despite recent acquisitions, Tilray reaffirmed its fiscal 2024 adjusted EBITDA guidance of $68 million–$78 million, reflecting balanced growth and cost synergies.
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Earnings Conference Call
Tilray Brands Q1 2024
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There are 13 speakers on the call.

Operator

Thank you for joining today's conference call to discuss Tilray Brands Inc. Financial Results for the 2024 Fiscal First Quarter Ended August 31, 2023. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session for analysts and investment firms conducted via audio and participating retail shareholders via the SAE Technologies platform. Question submission and uploading through the SAE Technologies platform has already concluded and the company will read aloud and answer the top questions.

Operator

I will now turn the call over to Ms. Baron Narada, Tilray Brands' Chief Corporate Affairs and Communications Officer. Thank you. You may now begin.

Speaker 1

Good morning, everyone. By now, you should have access to our earnings press release, fiscal 2019, which is available on the Investors section of the Tilray Brands website at tilray.com and has been filed with the SEC and SEDAR. Please note that during today's call, we will be referring to various non GAAP financial measures that can provide useful information for investors. However, the presentation of this information is not intended to be considered in isolation or as a substitute for the financial information presented in accordance with GAAP. Quarter.

Speaker 1

The earnings press release contains a reconciliation of each non GAAP financial measure to the most comparable measure prepared in accordance with GAAP. Fiscal 2019. In addition, we will be making numerous forward looking statements during our remarks and in response to your questions. Quarter. These statements are based on our current expectations and beliefs and involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties, which may prove to be incorrect.

Speaker 1

Actual results could differ materially from those described in those forward looking statements. The text in our earnings press release includes many of the risks and uncertainties associated with such forward looking statements. Today, we will be hearing from key members of our senior leadership team, beginning with Irwin Simon, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, who will provide opening remarks and commentary, followed by Karl Merten, Chief Financial Officer, who will review our quarterly financial results and maintain our adjusted EBITDA guidance for the 2024 fiscal year. Also joining us for the question and answer segment are Denise Baltuszczyk, Chief Strategy Officer and Head of International Blair MacNeil, President, Tilray Canada and Todd Gilmore, President of U. S.

Speaker 1

Beer Business. Quarter. And now, I'd like to turn the call over to Tilray Brands' Chairman and CEO, Irwin Simon.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Baron, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining our quarterly call. At Tilray Brands, we strategically diversify our cannabis lifestyle and CPG company globally and we've done so for several reasons, including the tremendous growth opportunities we see within the beverage category and across markets like craft beer, ready to drink cocktails, non alcoholic beverages, energy and nutritional drinks. These product categories and others in our portfolio further allow us to address the ever changing cannabis market conditions, while driving market share in the industries in which we compete. This effort is backed by our portfolio of high quality lifestyle brands and the strong and growing distribution networks that are behind them.

Speaker 2

Our goal is doing this is clear to accelerate fiscal year 2019. Our ability to deliver industry leading profitable growth and sustainable long term shareholder value. To this end, our achievements in fiscal 2024 to date and expectations for the balance of the year reflects the strides we're making by focusing on our core fundamentals. Number 1, maximizing profitable revenue growth through organic expansion initiatives and key strategic acquisitions with strong synergy potential. Number 2, realizing the benefits of Optimize asset utilization and cost management to ensure a lead efficient cost structure across all our business segments and of course, number 3, continuing to strengthen our industry leading balance sheet and cash position.

Speaker 2

Our strategic execution and achievements affirm that we have emerged as the most diversified cannabis lifestyle and CPG company globally with 4 distinct and complementary business segments. These consist of cannabis, broken out into medical and adult use, along with beverages including craft beer, spirits, ready to drink mixed cocktails and non alcoholic drinks and CBD beverages, wellness products and a medical distribution business. As a result, we had a record Q1 With net revenue of $177,000,000 representing 50% growth year over year, We grew EBITDA in our cannabis business and our international businesses. We grew Canadian cannabis revenue by 16.5% in the quarter and remain the leading strongest and most profitable international cannabis LP with approximately a 13.4% share in Canada, inclusive of HEXO and Trust, 631 basis points ahead of the next LP. From a product category perspective, we continue to lead cannabis sales in almost every market across Canada, the largest federally legal cannabis market in the world.

Speaker 2

Tilray is number 1 in cannabis flower, oils, concentrates and THC beverages and number 2 in pre rolls, number 4 in vape and the top 10 in all other categories. Aggregating all categories in either inhalables or ingestibles, Tilray is number 1 in both of these groups. We grew international cannabis revenue by 37% and we are the market leader in medical cannabis across Europe with leading market shares in Germany, Poland and Luxembourg. We are a leader in the hemp food industry with a 52% branded market share with Manitoba Harvest in the U. S.

Speaker 2

And Canadian market share of nearly 80%. With our recent acquisition of 8 craft beer and beverage brands at Anheuser Busch, we are growing fast in the craft beverage alcohol industry, solidifying our leadership position as the 5th largest U. S. Craft beer brewer with 5% market share in a growing market. And since year end, we paid down $177,000,000 of our debt.

Speaker 2

The balance we have brought to our business model by going beyond cannabis has given us a strong position today and is positioning us well for higher growth future opportunities, including when U. S. Federal cannabis legalization and German legalization of adult use cannabis happens. We believe we're in a great place going forward, well positioned with the resources, infrastructure and operations, the distribution of brands, sales and marketing and know how to lead the revolution of cannabis CBG into the American and European mainstream. Let us now discuss our individual segments with the context of our overall business.

Speaker 2

Cannabis was our largest segment by net revenue and comprised of approximately 40% of the total revenue. Gross revenue from Canadian adult use cannabis increased 22%, driven by innovation and shared growth in dried flower, vapes and pre roll. This was achieved both organically and as a result of our recent acquisitions. And despite price compression in the quarter of approximately $3,000,000 from the prior year quarter. Notably in Q1 according to combined Hi Fire and WeeCrawler retail sales data, Tilray sold over double the units of the number 2 and number 3 LPs combined.

Speaker 2

In equivalent KGs, we sold double the amount of the number 2 LP. As pre rolls continue to grow, we shipped over 18,000,000 pre rolls, 200,000 per day. That is a lot of pre rolls. In terms of market share in our core business of Tilray, when we exclude HEXO and Truss, we finished Q1 with 8.76 market share, which is up versus Q4 2023 year over year versus fiscal year 2023 Q1 by 57 basis points and 38 basis points respectively. We maintained our number one market share position and expanded the GAAP by an addition of 20 basis points to an overall GAAP of 136 basis points versus the number 2 LP by market share.

Speaker 2

Our combined market share for Q1 when including Tilray, HEXO and Trust was 13.4%. Regionally, we grew our share at all 4 major markets in Ontario, Alberta, British Columbia and Quebec, furthering our best in class market coverage to a highly fragmented retail network. Finally, we continue to have a relentless focus on synergies. Fiscal year. We reported planned synergies up $27,000,000 with the HEXO transaction.

Speaker 2

In just 2 months, We have had already achieved 17.1 of the target through elimination of duplicate costs, streamlining SG and A and renegotiating key contracts. In Q2, we will complete the integration of HEXO from an operational standpoint, which includes centralizing our packaging and logistics into our 301 facility, driving further efficiencies. With regard to our Maison facility in Quebec, we've invested in making the necessary changes to convert and optimize the facility to grow cannabis and fruits and vegetables for the Quebec marketplace. This work is on track and we will begin planting cucumbers this year. On a related acquisition note, in August, we purchased the remaining 57.5 percent equity ownership of Trust Beverage Company from Molson's Canada.

Speaker 2

The transaction further strengthens our number one cannabis market share position in Canada with a combined market share of approximately 40% in the THC beverage and positions us at the forefront of the adult use beverage sector. Our expanded cannabis portfolio now includes the fastest growing beverage brands, including XMG, MOLO, House of Terpenes and Little Victory. We believe that THC Beverages present a significant opportunity. There are nearly 11,000,000 customers in cannabis for cannabis beverages and the category is already roughly CAD100 1,000,000 at retail. In addition to the category opportunity, transitioning THC beverage production tour London facility will generate further cost savings and synergies.

Speaker 2

Turning to International Cannabis, Which achieved revenue growth and improved profitability in Q1, our intentions are twofold, strengthening our leadership position and market share in the medical cannabis category, where we currently operate across 21 countries and achieving early mover advantage in new countries as medical legalization advances. Based on these trends to date, we are building momentum in Poland, Italy, the UK and the Czech Republic. As we look to fiscal 2024 for our international cannabis business, our focus is on high quality medical cannabis brands, which are trusted by patients, healthcare professionals and government officials around the world. Of our best in class cultivation facilities in Portugal and Germany, where we are one of only 3 companies in Germany that can cultivate in country as well as leveraging our Canadian cannabis facilities and expertise, our medical distribution network led by our integrated Tilray Pharma and Medical Cannabis teams with relationships across 13,000 pharmacies. From a bottom line perspective, we are laser focused on optimizing our European platform, working to remove approximately $8,000,000 of costs from our businesses, of which we've already completed over $6,800,000 ccpharma, which we are rebranding to Tilray Pharma is our established medical distribution platform for traditional branded and generic pharmaceuticals as well as medical cannabis.

Speaker 2

This business segment from a revenue perspective is currently equal in size to our cannabis segment comprising slightly less than 40% of the total sales mix. It grew 14% in Q1 from a year ago and expanded its gross profit margin due to a reduction in production costs and improving product mix. Similar to the U. S, we are not planning our business around adult use legalization in Germany. However, There is proposed legislation in Germany for medical cannabis to be declassified as a narcotic and if the proposed German legislation comes to pass, call.

Speaker 2

It may be prescribed as a medicine rather than a narcotic, which is more difficult for healthcare providers to prescribe. This in turn with open accessibility to a larger patient population. Now turning to our beverage alcohol and CBG portfolio, quarter, a high quality growing portfolio of lifestyle, craft beverage, alcohol and wellness brands that have enabled us to build a strong footprint in the U. S. Market without engaging in business that touches a cannabis plant.

Speaker 2

Importantly, beverages are a fast growing category with significant growth through innovation and M and A and high future growth and healthy margins. Within beverages, for example, the craft beer business is expected to grow to $282,000,000,000 globally by 2,032, A CAGR of 10.5 percent between 2023 and 2,032, with North America accounting for 40% of the revenue today of that $40,000,000,000 in 2023. Given that, it is a market we have been following closely in order to seize on the clear opportunity that exists today. Reflecting that earlier this week, we welcome the newest additions to the Tilray Brands family as we closed on our acquisition of 8 beer and beverage brands on Anheuser Busch. These brands, Shop Top, Breckenridge Brewery, Blue Point Brewing Company, 10 Barrel Brewing Company, Redhook Brewery, Widomar Brothers Brewery, Square Mile Cider Company and High Vol Energy have enabled us to further diversify and expand our beverage alcohol segment, while elevating our position within craft beer from number 9 to projected number 5.

Speaker 2

We are confident that as we layer on our team's deep experience and skills in product innovation and marketing, we will able not only grow our brands, but also evolved the overall craft beer category. Where there is clear and strong opportunity to grow the consumer demographics and expand into new products and format such as RTD and new channels. Taken together Over the last 3 years, we've added a total of 13 brands to our beverage alcohol portfolio. The 8 that I just referred to in addition to Sweetwater Brewing Company in December of 2020, Alpine Beer and Green Flash Brewing Company in January of 2022 and Montauk Brewing Company in November of 2022. We also own Breckenridge Distillery, the award winning spirits brand and the world's best blended whiskey, which was acquired in December of 2021.

Speaker 2

In terms of overall segment performance, quarterly revenue for the beverage alcohol business was $24,200,000 in Q1, representing a 17% growth from last year. And we're just getting started in making this segment a more meaningful component of our financials. We project pro form a revenue for our beverage alcohol segment, including these recently acquired brands of about $300,000,000 Finally, our wellness segment is delivering higher gross profit on a stable of top line as it's adjusted to higher ingredient costs through increased pricing from a year ago. It remains an important element of our U. S.

Speaker 2

Strategy because of these factors. Strong consumer interest in hemp products, expanded distribution into Whole Foods and Walmart and product innovation to meet needs of the Gen Z millennial consumer through new hemp forward foods and supplement offerings in CBD wellness beverage like our happy flower. It's also worth noting that Manitoba Harvest is the industry leader in terms of sustainability. Having recertified as a B Corp for the 10th consecutive year and having launched the 1st regenerative organic certified hemp heart SKU this past spring. Across the board, we are delivering solid performance by optimizing our U.

Speaker 2

S. Businesses and setting the stage for significant growth in the near and longer term future for existing and newly acquired brands. In summary, we think the opportunities afforded by our intentional business diversifications are numerous and exciting as we look ahead. Our go forward plan is to execute on what matters most, maximizing revenue and growth, optimizing efficiency and maintaining our balance sheet strength as we invest in our industry leading brands. I will now turn the call over to Carl to discuss the financials in greater detail.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Erwin. Quarter. Before reviewing our quarterly performance, let me remind everyone that our financial results are presented in accordance with U. S. GAAP and in U.

Speaker 2

S. Dollars, fiscal 2019, and we will reference both GAAP and non GAAP adjusted results throughout our discussion. In addition, our earnings press release contains a reconciliation quarter. Our reported results under GAAP to the non GAAP measures identified during our remarks. Q1 total net revenue rose to $177,000,000 compared to the prior year quarter at $153,000,000 representing 15% growth.

Speaker 2

In constant currency, net revenue similarly grew 15% based upon constant currency revenue of $176,000,000 in Q1 this year. Quarter. By segment, cannabis net revenue rose 20% or 22% on a constant currency basis, inclusive of $3,100,000 due to price compression in Canada, of which virtually all also represented a reduction in EBITDA. Distribution revenue rose 14% or 11% on a constant currency basis. Beverage alcohol revenue rose 17% and wellness revenue declined 1%, but was flat on a constant currency basis.

Speaker 2

Cannabis excise taxes, which are a reduction from revenue, totaled $26,600,000 compared to $17,100,000 last year. Fiscal fiscal 1st fiscal quarter. This reflected a sharp increase in cannabis revenue generated in Canada versus the year ago period due in part to the HEXO acquisition, quarter, which closed during Q1, offset by continued price compression in the market. Recall that excise taxes predominantly computed as a fixed price on grams sold rather than as a percentage of the selling price. While there is an excise task force to present these challenges to the Minister of Finance in Canada.

Speaker 2

We do not believe some level of reform is likely in the near term. Fiscal 2019. As Erwin already emphasized the inherent benefits of having a diversified business model, it is notable that in both Q1 this year and last year, our cannabis and distribution segment each represented about 40% of our total revenue mix, While beverage, alcohol and wellness represented about 14% 8%, respectively. These percentages will change quarter with a full quarter of contributions from the Hexcel and Trust acquisitions along with the addition of the acquired brands from Anheuser Busch. We believe we will achieve a balance of 30% cannabis, 30% distribution, 30% beverage alcohol and the final 10% wellness.

Speaker 2

But the key takeaway here is that we have achieved great balance and are not overly dependent on any one segment from a top line or even gross profit standpoint. In terms of our geographical footprint, we are also highly diversified with slightly more than half of our revenue from North America and about 45% from EMEA, with the remainder from other parts of the world. Quarter. Gross profit was $44,200,000 compared to $48,600,000 in the prior year quarter, While gross margin decreased to 25% from 32% in the prior year quarter. Adjusted gross profit inclusive purchase price accounting step up was nearly flat at $49,300,000 compared to $49,700,000 in the prior year quarter, quarter, while adjusted gross margin was 28% compared to 32%.

Speaker 2

I will discuss adjusted gross margin by individual segment in a moment, quarter improved across 3 of our 4 segments with the exception being cannabis that was primarily due to the prior quarter having 100% gross margin on the HEXO advisory fee revenue. Net loss improved to $55,900,000 compared to $65,800,000 in the prior year quarter. Quarter. On a per share basis, this amounted to a net loss of $0.10 versus $0.13 in the prior year quarter. Adjusted EBITDA was $11,400,000 down from $13,500,000 in the prior year quarter.

Speaker 2

The primary variance relates to the HEXO advisory fee revenue in the prior year quarter that was not duplicated this quarter as we owned HEXO for the majority of the quarter. Other contributing factors include the timing difference in recognizing synergies from operating results after completing acquisitions. Recall that when we reported Q4 2022 during the summer of 2022, we announced the $30,000,000 cost optimization plan. Through August 31 this year, we have achieved $22,000,000 on an annualized run rate basis, of which $21,000,000 represents actual cost savings through Q1. This is up from $18,500,000 when we reported last quarter.

Speaker 2

Operating cash flow improved by $30,500,000 to a loss of $15,800,000 from a loss of $46,300,000 in the prior year quarter. This was the result of improved operating efficiencies realized through our synergy programs and management of our working capital requirements. Turning now to our business segments. Gross cannabis revenue of 96 $900,000 was comprised of $71,200,000 in Canadian adult use revenue, dollars 14,300,000 in international cannabis revenue, $6,100,000 in Canadian medical cannabis revenue and $5,300,000 in wholesale cannabis revenue. Net cannabis revenue was $70,300,000 representing a 20% increase from the year ago period or 22% in constant currency.

Speaker 2

The positive variance was mostly related to increased organic growth and the acquisitions of Exelent Trust. Canadian medical cannabis decreased slightly due to increased competition from the adult use market and price compression in the medical cannabis market. Adult use cannabis increased 22% due to organic growth from our existing brands launching new products as well as the increased revenue from the acquisition of HEXO and Trust. Offsetting the increase in the current period was a substantial reduction of advisory services revenue from the prior year quarter due to the HEXO acquisition, which terminated the previous strategic arrangement that was in place. The substantial increase in wholesale cannabis revenue was an opportunistic sale, which helped increase our cash flow from operations even though it had a negative impact on gross margin and EBITDA.

Speaker 2

International cannabis grew 37% largely because of the expansion into emerging international medical markets. Cannabis gross profit was $19,800,000 and cannabis gross margin was 28% compared to $29,700,000 51 percent in the prior year quarter. Adjusted cannabis gross profit, which removes the purchase price accounting step up decreased to $24,300,000 from $29,700,000 in the prior year quarter. Quarter, while adjusted gross cannabis margin decreased to 35% from 51% in the prior year quarter. However, if we are to exclude advisory services revenue from HEXO of $1,500,000 in Q1, twenty twenty four $7,800,000 in Q1 2023 and the wholesale transaction with a negative gross profit of $2,700,000 in the quarter, our adjusted cannabis gross margin would have been 39% compared to 43%.

Speaker 2

The remaining decrease is a result of price compression. Distribution revenue derived predominantly through CC Pharma increased 14% to $69,200,000 from $60,600,000 in the prior year quarter. The increase was driven by increased capacity and a revamped sales approach to expand our distribution network of procured products and was aided partially by the strengthening of the euro relative to the U. S. Dollar.

Speaker 2

Distribution gross profit increased to $7,700,000 compared to $5,600,000 distribution gross margin increased to 11% from 9% in the prior year quarter. Similar to the last three fiscal quarters, the year over year increase was a result of a positive change in product mix, our focus on higher margin sales, including the decision to exit the medical device reprocessing line. Beverage alcohol revenue was $24,200,000 up 17% from $20,700,000 in the prior year quarter. The positive delta was due to contributions from our Montauk Brewery acquisition last November. Beverage alcohol gross profit increased to $12,900,000 compared to $9,800,000 while beverage alcohol gross margin increased to 53% from 47% in the prior year quarter.

Speaker 2

Adjusted beverage alcohol gross profit, which removes the purchase price accounting step up was $13,500,000 compared to $10,900,000 in the prior year quarter. While adjusted gross margin rose to 56% from 53% in the prior year quarter. This increase was related to a favorable sales mix change between beer and spirits, partially offset by the impact of the Montauk acquisition that was not completed in the prior year period. Wellness segment revenue held at $13,300,000 compared to $13,400,000 in the prior year quarter, Despite increasing pricing to combat ingredient cost inflation. Wellness gross profit was $3,800,000 up from $3,500,000 in the prior year quarter and gross margin rose to 29% from 26% as we countered the impacts of higher input costs of seed ingredients with higher pricing.

Speaker 2

Our cash and marketable securities balance as of August 31 was $464,900,000 down from $490,600,000 in the year ago period, increase from the balance at year end of $448,500,000 During Q1, we entered into a new $120,000,000 credit agreement led by Bank of America and included syndicate members, City National Bank, TD Bank and Pinnacle Financial for our beverage alcohol division, which is comprised of domestic owned subsidiaries and provides for among other things a $70,000,000 term loan facility, a $20,000,000 delayed draw term loan facility, which we drew in full as part of the payment of the purchase price on the acquisition of the Anheuser Busch brands and a $30,000,000 line of credit of which we have only drawn $7,000,000 The new credit agreement extended the maturity date on the loan from December 2023 out to June 2028 with reduced repayment requirements, improved financial covenants, all while maintaining the interest rate spread on the loans. Fiscal 1st. On August 31st, we settled our obligations under a $50,000,000 convertible promissory note, which had a maturity date of September 1st. And finally subsequent to quarter end, we settled and paid in full our Tilray 23 convertible note. Let's now reiterate our guidance for fiscal 2024, which ends on May 31, 2024.

Speaker 2

Adjusted EBITDA is still projected at $68,000,000 to $78,000,000 Note that we are not increasing this range after having acquired the beverage brands. It will be accretive to EBITDA as we said when we first announced the transaction, but will not have a material impact on EBITDA in the 1st year post closing. We also project positive adjusted free cash flow from operations excluding our cost to integrate HEXO Trust and the brands from Anheuser Busch and the cash income taxes we pay at Aphria Diamond. We will also work to minimize CapEx and improve our industry leading balance sheet.

Operator

2, if you'd like to remove your question from the queue. To allow for as many questions as possible. We ask that you each keep to one question and one follow-up. Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Vivien Azer with TD Cowen.

Operator

Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 3

Good morning. This is Robert Holden on for Vivien Azer and thank you for taking the question. First off, congratulations on closing the acquisition of the ABI beverage brands. Today you called out the margin accretion from the Montauk acquisition to your overall beverage margins. Could you please speak to how you see margins for that segment evolving over time in particular that You're not only acquiring craft beer brands, but also on premise infrastructure.

Speaker 3

Thank you. So

Speaker 2

The increase in gross margin in beverage alcohol this quarter was a combination of 2 things. 1, it was a minor shift quarter in sales mix or in product mix between beer and spirits and also as a result of the acquisition Montauk. Going forward, we are very confident that the beer brands themselves will be able to maintain a margin About 50%, but our spirits business traditionally has been closer to 50%. So as that blend gets mixed in with the new brands we've acquired, we'll start to see it move a little closer to the beer margin. And I know one of Vivien's favorite questions is regards our brew houses.

Speaker 2

We sell more beer in our brew houses than food. And I think that's what's the important thing is of how food does not dilute our margins in our brew houses. And that's what our brew houses are about is

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Carter with Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 4

Hey, thanks. Good morning. Okay. So I want to just go back to the short report that was out last month and use this opportunity to clear the air. First off, regarding Double Diamond, could you help us fully understand the liability?

Speaker 4

What is the required annual payment to your partners, is it variable based on performance? Do you have the ability to throttle their production, therefore adjust to market demands? And then the second question, do you pay some proportion of your minority shareholder in stock? And if so, are these stocks added back to EBITDA? Thanks.

Speaker 4

Quarter.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Andrew. I appreciate the opportunity to just make sure that everyone is crystal clear on this transaction. What I want to start off with first is that there we have never paid for an actual operating expense at Aphria Diamond out of the dividends that we've issued. The dividends that we have issued to our partners in Aphria Diamond has always been a payment of profit distribution at the There's a couple sorry, there's a quarterly payment that happens and then there's a true up at the end of the year. And that is the only amount that we have ever paid through those dividends.

Speaker 2

At one point during the year last year, we did provide some downside protection. And when that payment was triggered, that payment went through the income statement And that was added back to EBITDA. That is the only piece of those dividend parts, that has ever flown through the income statement and it was an extremely small amount and it was fully disclosed in our financial statements. I think, Andrew, what's important is this here, our partner in Diamond will take equity. And if he keeps it, it's his Prerogative of these sales as it is prerogative.

Speaker 2

But again, there's a distribution of dividends. At the same time, there's profits where we have 50%, 51%. And we're enjoying the profits of that too. So I think that's what's important. But to Carl's point, Those the stock is not used to pay for operations of the business.

Speaker 2

I think that's what's important.

Speaker 4

Thank you. I'll pass it on.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Aaron Grey with Alliance Global Partners. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 5

Hi, good morning and thank you for the question. So just regarding the EBITDA and EBITDA guidance, you guys held it now despite the beer brands acquisition will be accretive. But if we just look at the quarter, Including the small HEXO advisory fee, so call it about $10,000,000 or so. So can you walk us through how we think of The step up to get to that $68,000,000 to $70,000,000 for the fiscal year. And maybe if you can talk about the drivers, How we should think about the sequencing of the EBITDA step up to reach that guidance.

Speaker 5

I think that would be very helpful in any puts and takes. I think that could be more through top line generation For more margin improvement via cost efficiencies or otherwise, I think that'd be appreciated. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Aaron. That first Kind of reminds me of some of the questions we had last year when people asked the same questions on phasing, when we ultimately did get to The EBITDA guidance number. We traditionally have stronger performance in our spirits brand in Q2 Every year, that's because it's the buy in for the Christmas holiday season that happens, and so we see strengthening in that quarter in that business. And then as we evolve through the year, We have a significant outperformance in Q4 traditionally in our distribution business as people as pharmacies buy in for their customers going on vacation in the summer in our distribution business and then we see significant buy in on our beer business in the Q4 in the lead up to summer. Overlaying that this year is the synergies that we're achieving at HEXO sorry, on the HEXO transaction and our other open cost saving plans that we've had throughout the year.

Speaker 2

And so we're going to see a bigger jump in EBITDA next quarter. In Q2, you may see Q3 flat to down a little bit versus Q2 And then you'll see a bigger Q4. I think the big drivers here is top line. And you saw our top line in our Q1 And you heard me mention, we sold 20,000,000 pre rolls. Our beer business, both Sweetwater and Montauk were up.

Speaker 2

And that is the big thing is getting the new distribution, but getting the new products out there. Ty and team launched a product called gummies, which is a new product for us and it was a big percentage of our growth of new products. Getting Montauk into other states, whether it's New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Georgia is going to be a big part of our growth. In our international business, Growing our medical business in Poland, Germany, Italy and places like that is going to be a big part of our business. And the big thing you got to remember, which I talked about, we did 3 acquisitions and we're looking to take $27,000,000 of cost out of HEXO.

Speaker 2

We're going to be looking to take tremendous amount of costs out of the ABI and it's going to take time. And with the acquisition of Truss that we bought from Molson's, We'll be moving those products to our London facility and we have an excellent facility in Belleville, Ontario that we're going to look to do non alc drinks, energy drinks, Some other types of drinks there. So we're looking for a big year on organic growth and new products, innovation, new distribution. We're focused on taking more and more costs out of the business. In regards to our facility in Maison, you heard me talk about that where we're converting that to vegetables and that should be online by the end of the year, and taking tremendous amount of costs.

Speaker 2

So the drivers year are going to be top line growth taking costs out, which ultimately improve margins and drives profitability to the bottom line.

Speaker 5

Okay, great. Thanks very much for the call. I'll drop it in the queue.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Matt Bottomley with Canaccord Genuity. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 6

Good morning, everyone. Just wanted to first touch base on kind of that first strategic priority. I know you're just sort of talking about it now with respect to some of the organic growth. But On the M and A front, what is the current landscape if we're looking at the cannabis sector in general and federal legal environments with respect to what we're seeing in Canada and international markets? Is this something that you think probably has the least amount of opportunistic assets out there just given some of the headwinds we've seen in federal markets?

Speaker 6

And should we Maybe more beverage alcohol focus when it comes to M and A allocation. I'm just curious, if you have an indication one way or the other. So

Speaker 2

I'm going to bring 2 other people in to talk about that. I have Blair MacNeil here who runs Canada. And I got to tell you, I spent some time with Blair and team in Toronto and spend some time with other control boards. It's 5 years since cannabis is now legal in Canada. And what we're seeing is tremendous amount Of consumers moving over to the legal market, tremendous amount of consumers partaking in the recreational.

Speaker 2

You heard us say we sold 20,000,000 pre rolls and where that is going, we expect to sell 80,000,000 pre rolls a year. You see lots of consolidation at retail, much more awareness out there. Listen, there's still lots of problems in the Canadian market, but I got to tell you for the first time, I'm starting to feel really optimistic about the opportunities there. Blair, you want to add anything to it?

Speaker 7

Yes. So to your question, Matt, on the opportunity on the M and A side. From an asset standpoint, I think if you look at our portfolio, we're very well rounded. I'd say, Maybe we've got a small gap on the edible side, but when you look at the rest of our portfolio, we are very well represented. So There's not a lot of assets out there that we would look to acquire over the next period of time.

Speaker 7

We do have, As Erwin alluded to, all of our facilities are starting to really get up there in utilization and we have availability of some capacity to Be able to bring edibles into that. So we'll look to do that over this next period of time. So at least from a Canadian perspective, I'm happy with the growth quarter. I'm happy with where the industry is, not without its challenges as Erwin said, but from an M and A standpoint, we don't See a lot of opportunity there.

Speaker 2

And before I pass it to Denise Bill, we're really excited about the beverage category. If you come back and think one of Biggest opportunities and you walk into cannabis stores today, there's a small fridge in there with drinks at $7, $8 But Think about how the beverage category within the world today, you look at the craft beer category 280,000,000,000 And you come back and think this is a whole new category and the opportunities there. We have 2 facilities. We're the leader in the beverage business And everybody wants to figure out what's the right way to roll this out and merchandise it. And my hope one day That you would be able to go into a beer store, a convenience store or go into a bar and it would be untapped.

Speaker 2

So that to us is one of the biggest opportunities. Internationally, medical has tremendous opportunities. Denise?

Speaker 8

Thanks, Erwin. Yes, so internationally, if you look at Europe first, Really, the only cannabis market today is a medical cannabis market and Germany still remains the largest market within Europe. However, we do see some countries that are coming online and developing very quickly. The regulations are still, as we all know, are still really shaping out. We are looking to see medical cannabis in Germany become descheduled as a narcotic and become a regular medicine that can be prescribed.

Speaker 8

And so if we look at our business, we really see like our business is very nascent today and is still developing. And so we are evaluating where do we have gaps in capabilities quarter. And where can potentially M and A fill in those gaps? And we've so we are very much looking to see what is out there, what can we do to make our business have full capabilities, whether it's technology, whether it's online platforms, etcetera. And we are looking at the same thing in Australia, New Zealand, whether it's looking at clinics, etcetera.

Speaker 8

And then also talking about potentially looking at how beverage alcohol might play a role in Europe as well. So we are very much focused in seeing what might be available to round out our capabilities and make us more fulsome business.

Speaker 2

And to round out the 3rd part of your question in regards to beverage alcohol, listen, we own some great brands today And Ty and I are on the road to start visiting them after today and how we start integrating them And where we will be looking to sell them in each state and each tri state, We will figure that out. But if you come back and look what the team has done with Montauk in a short period of time and growing that 9% and seeing Sweetwater growing 4%. We're excited about Blue Point. We're excited about Breckenridge Brewery. We're excited about 10 barrel and the rest that come along with this.

Speaker 2

So, also there's a lot of good things happening and with Breckenridge Distillery as this ultimately gets together with Breckenridge Brewery, as we continue to leap on the bourbon craze and get new distribution. And let's not forget our Manitoba Harvest business where we have about a 52% share in a category that's developing a lot of new products and we're getting a lot of new distribution. And I think the big thing is there, I mean, we're in supermarkets, we're in Costco's, we're in the Walmart's. So we have avenues If we decide to bring other products in and we're selling our beer products in those today, so we have an avenue of retail If we bring other wellness foods in there to make sure we they're accompanied by.

Speaker 6

Got it. Appreciate all that color and it was a long response. So I'll just get back in Q.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Federico Gomes with ATB Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 9

Hi, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. Just on your capacity utilization, I know that You addressed this a little bit, but maybe could you provide a bit more color on where you currently stand in terms of utilization in in your cultivation and manufacturing facilities in Canada? And with your organic growth initiatives, where do you see that utilization and being over the remainder of the fiscal year and sort of the potential benefit that you could see in your margins as a result of that? Thank you.

Speaker 7

Thanks for the question. Yes, from a capacity and utilization, it's probably easiest for me to go Across the facilities really quickly, but if you look at Maison, we're in the middle of the conversion of B9, which is 80% of that facility two vegetables and that's on track to be fully utilized by January. And then the remaining 20% will service the Quebec market with locally grown cannabis for Quebec. So we're 100% utilized in Maison. At the Redican facility, we'll be 100% utilized.

Speaker 7

We have an outdoor grow in Cayuga, which is currently at 50% utilized, but our plan is to grow that through pre rolls to be up to 100% utilized by the end of the year. And that'll be very close to the end of the year because May is when we plant the outdoor grow. And then from a Leamington standpoint, will be 100% utilized in Aphria Diamond and we do have some opportunities that will currently fill up our Aphria 1 facility by the end of the year and then Broken Coast has always been fully utilized. So we feel very good about capacity and utilization overall. I definitely think that will help the margins on the balance of the year.

Speaker 7

I don't have a crystal ball on that front, but certainly as Erwin talked about as we move all of our packaging from the acquisitions into Leamington, we're going to see great synergies on that side. The London facility on beverages will be close to 90% utilized with the transition of trust. So definitely we're going to be able to allocate the overhead of those facilities across more volume throughout the end of the year.

Speaker 2

And I think not only utilization, we're vertically integrated here. So we can grow flower, we can quarter. We're vertically integrated here. So we can grow flower, we can oil, we can we're probably the largest pre roll producer today in the Canadian market. We're the largest producer of cans.

Speaker 2

We can produce any type of edible. So with that And what we're doing basically today is producing for ourselves. We are doing some wholesale. So not only Are we from a utilization standpoint, we're vertically integrated to support our 12 brands out there. And the big thing here is new product development.

Speaker 2

And that's what we've realized is in the Canadian market. Consumers are looking for new products all the time. And whether The potency of the product, it's infused products, the genetics of the product. The big thing what we have to work on is how we develop brands and get Consumers used to buying brands and that's one of the big opportunities and that's one of the things we need to work on.

Speaker 9

Thank you very much. I'll hop back in the queue. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Lavery with Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 10

Thank you. Good morning. Just wanted to come back to the 8 new brands that you've just closed and purchased. And At least on the retail side where we can see some data, those have been declining for the last 2 or so years. I guess maybe first is that the full picture, is there a more holistic view that's got better momentum, but Either way, then what does it really take to get that to you've said how important organic growth is.

Speaker 10

Obviously, it's not already in hand. So What does it take to really get those going and how much more spending is there distribution upside, they've all been around for quite some time. How do you just think about driving growth quarter.

Speaker 2

I'm going to turn it over to Ty in a second. What goes down got to ultimately go up, right? So I think that's what's important here. And yes, they're declining and that's what gave us the opportunity. I think from some standpoint, did they get the attention That was needed.

Speaker 2

And I think it goes back and shows what we've done with Sweetwater and what was Done with Montauk, what's done with Green Flash and Nelson. And the team knows how to do it. Ty, you want to add something to that?

Speaker 11

Yes, Michael, I'd say, I'm not real sure you're seeing the full picture when you look at it at a total brand level. When you dive a little bit deeper and you get into the SKU level, we're really, really excited. You see brands like 10 Barrel, their pub beer, Which is growing. You see Avalanche growing share in Colorado. You see what the big Ballard part of the Redhook family and their SKUs and how they're getting into new segments is really, really exciting.

Speaker 11

So yes, I'm not real sure you're seeing the full picture. We've built out a really national account team. And as you know, chains play an integral part and building distribution and building brands. And we've had some really good conversations with big retailers around the U. S.

Speaker 11

And they're excited about the brands. Our distributors are extremely excited about us coming over and bringing energy and investments and focus. And just like we've done with Montauk and Sweetwater, we are going to build out a plan to drive quality distribution, build the brands And really lean in on the SKUs that are driving some of these brands, which are exciting.

Speaker 2

And I think the big thing is, it's not it's these brands, but the whole craft beer industry and what we can do. And we're working with BCG on a whole overall strategy here On the brand, the positioning, who the consumers are of craft beer, where the non alcohol, Where from an ingredient standpoint, nutritionals on the beer in regards to can versus bottle versus Other types of packaging, what's sold in a brew pub, what's sold on premise, what's sold in convenience stores, which are the biggest sellers Craft beer. So there's a lot we're studying right now. There's a lot we're doing in data and research and working with BCG to bring that together. But we're pretty excited about the opportunity in the craft beer business and we're pretty excited.

Speaker 2

Listen, we're even though they're declining, We're now the 5th largest craft brewer. And I think the evolution of big beer versus craft beer is changing dramatically too.

Speaker 10

Okay. Thanks for that. And can I just follow-up on the cucumber farming, not a sort of a The portfolio I had anticipated maybe initially, can you just help us understand maybe why that's interesting to you and what the margins and growth might look like for that?

Speaker 2

Number 1, listen, we got $1,500,000 facility. If we went to sell it today, what the values in that you're getting for cannabis facilities. We think and we've been asked by multiple retailers in Quebec, There is a major shortage and they want vegetables grown in Quebec. There is better margin there than just keeping the place dark or selling cannabis that you can't sell. And we'll see what happens.

Speaker 2

Ultimately, maybe one day we could sell it as a vegetable Farm to someone else that wants it. But right now with minimal investment, that facility has probably a couple of $100,000,000 investment in it. And there is big demand for fruits, vegetables and that in the Quebec market. The other thing is which we're going to do there Is grow cannabis just for the Quebec market where they want cannabis grown in their province for their retailers. Okay.

Speaker 2

So it is a profitable business. So that's I want to be very clear on that.

Speaker 10

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Bill Kirk with ROTH MKM. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 12

Hey, thank you for taking the questions. Erwin, you mentioned expanded distribution at Whole Foods in your prepared remarks and given your incredibly strong history with them, could you maybe talk about how your background helps with this particular account. And I guess, what does your experience tell you about the trajectory of brands into other retailers once you

Speaker 2

Back in the day, it's interesting and it's a great question because Other retailers used to go to Whole Foods and see what was new, what was natural, what was organic and what was selling because everybody wanted Whole Foods customers. I think that's Change quite a bit today. But again, Whole Foods is an important customer for us on our Sweetwater, on our Montauk, On our Blue Point and some of our other products also very important customer for us on Manitoba Harvest. And again, I think what Whole Foods is doing where they have their 365, but they want brands and that's what consumers are looking for. But I will tell you whether it's Kroger Albertsons, HEB, they're important customers To us and it's interesting what they're saying when we've introduced them to the new gummies product or Montauk pumpkin, what that is doing.

Speaker 2

So what retailers are doing out there, yes, they're looking at what's selling in Whole Foods and is it a beer kabocha combined, etcetera, and some of the new innovation. But my experience before is retailers went to Whole Foods and see what was selling. Not as probably as much anymore, but retailers today in the craft beer industry want new innovation out there because if you look at craft beer, there's a lot of There's a lot of other beers out there, but what's new and unique and it's just not an IPA out there. And I think that's what we're trying to bring to the party.

Speaker 12

Excellent. And then Carl, you mentioned That 4Q buy in helps beer. Does that load in explain the sequential difference For beverages in 1Q from that 4Q about $8,000,000 or so. And should we think about that before the ABI brands coming over, should we think about that $24,000,000 in beverages 1Q as like a pure volume consumption number, no load in, no destock, that's more of The volume consumed type number.

Speaker 2

So I'll let Chai talk about the volume consumed. But on the profitability side and the margin side and then ultimately down to EBITDA, yes, that is a portion of the decline That is going on in that space is just decrease in volume because you don't have that main bias. Just let me jump on some there that was just emailed by one of our employees. Some of our hemp products That were in Whole Foods. I won't mention the other retailer, but they saw them at Whole Foods and we picked up 2 other retailers because they were in Whole Foods.

Speaker 2

And sometimes Whole Foods is No, one of our best showrooms. So that is something that happened just to answer your question on that.

Speaker 11

And on the volume piece, Phil, I'd just say that consumption Seasonality drives consumption. So I wouldn't use the word load in. Consumption peaks over times, over quarters. And like Carl said earlier, there is a higher seasonality and consumption of beer in our Q4, which is the start of the summer. And as we take on these new brands, as we look into our Q2, We expect to see kind of organic consumption to be in line with what everything else is doing.

Speaker 7

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Zamparo with CIBC. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 2

Thank you very much. Good morning. My question is

Speaker 7

on the regulatory And specifically, if you do get the DEA following the HHS recommendation, what does that change for Does it adjust your M and A strategy at all or would you need to see additional developments or clarity from different departments?

Speaker 2

So I think I've been very clear in regards Classification here. Listen, I'd love to see it happen and I've been very clear. It does not affect us Day 1, but what it does, it helps get some confusion out of the market. The way cannabis is classified today is The same as heroin, the same as other drugs out there. That's absolutely not.

Speaker 2

Number 2, I think from a medical standpoint, There is so many applications for it and legalize it from a medical standpoint would be something very important. There is so much confusion out there on legalization and customers want it. I mean, basically, it is legalized without being legalized because everywhere you walk, Whether it's New York, California, no matter what state you're in, cannabis is being utilized. So we might as well do something with it, collect the tax dollars and ultimately get the regulatory in place where you're getting products out there that go through regulatory that are not cut with other Drugs or other ingredients out there that are not safe. In regards to what ultimately the opportunities are for Tilray, Listen, if one day and again, this is hope, no reason to believe that we could grow it in Canada and ship it into U.

Speaker 2

S. Is an opportunity for us. We have a big medical business in Europe. We have a medical business in Canada, which ultimately would get us into the business here in the U. S.

Speaker 2

So I think first, there is ultimately no benefit to Tilray. I don't think anything is going to happen here for a little while for over the next 2 years anyway, but it would basically be very, very, very good for the cannabis industry.

Operator

Quarter. Thank you. That concludes our analyst questions. Will now proceed with questions submitted by retail stockholders on the Citi Technologies platform. The question reads, quarter?

Operator

Why should we keep investing in Tilray?

Speaker 2

Listen, again, I hope By our results today and some of the things that we're doing that number 1, Investors believe in the management team and believe in our strategy. Some don't believe in our strategy, but I will tell you, we have A defined strategy. We have a structured strategy with a lot of process and a lot of levers there That we're ultimately pulling to have a structured strategy. We are secondly a very diversified business, But ultimately, how do they all come together under one common denominator? We're not just a cluster of a bunch of products, brands and categories.

Speaker 2

And upon legalization, we have multiple brands that can convert to cannabis. Ultimately, we have tremendous amount of grow. We have tremendous amount of production today with our beer and our spirits business. We are one of the only ones with 2 cannabis growth facilities in Europe, where we have a great medical platform. So We're different than most other cannabis companies.

Speaker 2

We're different than most other craft beer businesses. We're different than any other healthier food business with our Hemp Manitoba Harvest. So we're absolutely different. We're a big believer in building brands, Brand equity, brand equity, brand equity and there's a lot of work we have to do on our brands in Canada and make consumers familiar with our brands. Again, cannabis has only been there for 5 years.

Speaker 2

And again, it's educating the consumers on the brands. And listen, it's hard to build brands when you're not legally allowed to advertise in the Canadian market to consumers, but we have to do that. Number 2, We got some great brands in regards to beer. We got great brands in regards to Breckenridge Bourbon and Manitoba Harvest. And we have a really, really strong relationships with doctors and distributors in the European market with regards to our medical business.

Speaker 2

Tilray Pharma, which was CC Pharma is a distributor that distributes into 13,000 drugstores. We're looking to convert that business and working with other distributors throughout Europe of how we increase margins. Just think about it, that's a $300,000,000 business and every margin dollar that we increase there is a major contribution to our bottom line. So with that, we have a strategy. We are about making money and managing our balance sheet.

Speaker 2

Will it take some time to come together? It absolutely has been. But I'll tell you, The components are there and I think that's what's different and unique and that's why I hope our investors stay with us. And those at AHRQ, thank you very much. That is the questions for today.

Speaker 2

Call. I want to thank all that have joined the call, all that have gone online to listen to us. Listen, I can reassure you this year. The cannabis industry is a tough industry. The beer industry is a tough industry.

Speaker 2

But there's no business, there's no industry out there that's not tough. But what's important today is that you have a team that knows how to deal with the toughness, knows how to deal with the environment. And today with the acquisition of the Anheuser Busch businesses, we have posted 2,300 employees around the world that are working hard every day. And just remember, in 2019, we were a $50,000,000 business today on the run rate to be close to $1,000,000,000 business. We were not diversified.

Speaker 2

We have a diversified portfolio. We have diversified brands. We have diversified facilities That are out there around the world. The world today is looking for innovation, looking for new products and looking for new things. And again, consumers want cannabis.

Speaker 2

Consumers want to drink year for the right reasons. Consumers want to drink bourbon. Consumers want medical cannabis for pain, for anxiety, for sleep, For cancer patients, for epilepsy. So there's so many opportunities and we're in the right areas today where consumer demand will continue to move into. With the combination of Aphria, Tilray, HEXO, Sweetwater, Montauk and the eight brands that we just acquired from Anheuser Busch.

Speaker 2

We've got a great portfolio of a lot of things. And with 5,000,000 square feet of growth, we're going to repurpose these. And ultimately, how do we Make it work. If not, there's ultimately we can sell these off. So there's plenty of levers to pull within Tilray today.

Speaker 2

Again, I want to thank everybody for being on the call, listening to us, and look forward to speaking to you again at our next earnings call. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

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