Donnelley Financial Solutions Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 1, 2023

There are 10 speakers on the call.

Operator

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Donnelly Financial Solutions Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. I would now like to welcome Mike Zhou, Head of Investor Relations to begin the call. Mike, over to you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining Donnelly Financial Solutions' 3rd quarter 2023 results conference call. This morning, we released our earnings report, including a supplemental trending schedule of historical results, copies of which can be found in the Investors section of our website at definsolutions.com. During this call, we'll refer to forward looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties. For a complete discussion, please refer to the cautionary statements included in our earnings release and further details in our most recent Annual Report on Form 10 ks, Quarterly Report on Form 10 Q and other filings with the SEC.

Speaker 1

Further, we will discuss certain non GAAP financial information such as adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin and organic net sales. We believe the presentation of non GAAP financial information provides you with useful supplementary information concerning the company's ongoing operations and is an appropriate way for you to evaluate the company's performance. They are, however, provided for informational purposes only. Please refer to the earnings release and related tables for GAAP financial information and reconciliations of GAAP to non GAAP financial information. I am joined this morning by Dan Leib, Dave Cardella, Craig Clay, Eric Johnson, Floyd Shrimley and Kenny Turner.

Speaker 1

I will now turn the call over to Dan.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Mike, and good morning, everyone. We delivered strong consolidated 3rd quarter results Given the economic backdrop, with net sales of $180,000,000 adjusted EBITDA of $49,400,000 and adjusted EBITDA margin of 27.4%. During the Q3, we navigated a transactions market that despite some signs of improvement remained weak. As a result of strong execution, we increased Our 3rd quarter adjusted EBITDA by $4,100,000 or 9.1 percent year over year and expanded our adjusted EBITDA margin by 3.40 basis points from the Q3 of 2022. Continued strong performance through an extended weak transactions market is an important accomplishment that demonstrates the underlying characteristics of our business and is a proof point for our broader strategy, namely continuing to evolve Consistent with our performance last quarter, our software offerings delivered another quarter of higher sales growth compared to recent trend.

Speaker 2

Total Software Solutions net sales grew approximately 7% on an organic basis versus the Q3 of 2022. 3rd quarter Software Solutions net sales growth was led by ArcSuite and Venue, which grew approximately 13% 9%, respectively. Software Solutions made up 40.7 percent of total 3rd quarter net sales, an increase of approximately 3.90 basis from last year's Q3. On a trailing 4 quarter basis, Software Solutions net sales of approximately $288,000,000 represented 36.5 percent of total net sales, an increase of approximately 480 basis points from the Q3 2022 trailing 4 quarter period. Our 3rd quarter performance reflects the strength of our recurring regulatory and compliance offerings.

Speaker 2

These offerings, which span across both software solutions and tech enabled services, serve the compliance needs of corporations and investment companies. As we continue to invest in our recurring compliance products, we will shift defin toward a higher mix of profitable recurring revenue and more importantly benefit from the financial profile associated with such a recurring revenue model. One key component of our recurring revenue base is our compliance and regulatory driven software products, which include ActiveDisclosure and ArcSuite. Each possess the characteristics of traditional enterprise software offerings with a high component of recurring subscription revenue as well as long term contracts. During the Q3, these recurring compliance software offerings grew 8% in aggregate versus the Q3 of last year and accounted for approximately 60% of total Software Solutions net sales.

Speaker 2

As discussed previously, we are building a cloud native unified compliance platform that enables shared features across ActiveDisclosure and ArcSuite, providing foundational capabilities such as composition, tagging, filing and regulatory and financial reporting into a single solution, while also maintaining market specific capabilities within the individual products. This platform, in conjunction with our deep domain expertise, allows us to better serve recurring regulatory and compliance use cases under current and future regulations and also provides us the ability to expand our current SEC oriented addressable market into adjacent markets and use cases not served by us today, facilitating future recurring revenue growth. As it relates to Venue, historical demand in the data room market has been relatively stable, though can fluctuate based on underlying diligence activity taking place related not only to announced deals, but also to those unannounced, both public and private alike. In addition to this market's resilient demand, product enhancement and strong sales execution have also contributed to Venue's steady performance, all of which promote more consistent top and bottom line performance for DFIN. DFIN remains focused on driving profitable recurring revenue growth.

Speaker 2

A key source of the growth will come from regulatory and compliance opportunities, which have a recurring demand profile, such as the Tailored Shareholder Reports Regulation that will come into effect in July 2024. We continue to make great progress in our technology development and go to market plans. In mid October, we achieved an important milestone in our readiness by launching the alpha release of our Taylor Shareholder Reports module that integrates with the financial reporting functionalities of our ARC reporting SaaS offering. This newly introduced SaaS capability is just one component of our end to end solution, which also features our industry leading tech enabled services and print and distribution offerings. Our full platform solution enables DFIN to adapt to the way our clients wish to work from self-service, full service or a combination of both.

Speaker 2

We are encouraged by the positive market response to our solution and have started onboarding clients onto the platform. We expect Tailored Shareholder Reports will benefit each of our software, tech enabled services and Print and Distribution Offerings. We are currently working to refine the estimated benefits and look forward to providing further details on our February earnings call. As the global regulatory and compliance landscape continues to evolve, DFIN is well positioned to serve an increasing number of recurring compliance use cases, including ESG reporting. With the momentum building globally to adopt ESG measures, the increased level of recurring reporting and disclosure requirements is well suited for our ActiveDisclosure product.

Speaker 2

In the U. S, we are encouraged by the passing of 2 California state bills in September, which will require private and public companies operating in California to publicly disclose greenhouse gas emissions by 2026. California is the 1st state to mandate a robust ESG data collection and disclosure framework. We expect the SEC to follow suit and enact broader level ESG regulations in the near future. In the EU, ESG reporting will become mandatory in 2025 as part of the corporate sustainability reporting directive adopted by the European Commission.

Speaker 2

By leveraging the functionalities of our active disclosure platform and integrating capabilities from our ecosystem of leading ESG data partners, defin offers a robust ESG solution, ready to fulfill upcoming U. S. And EU specific ESG regulations. We look forward to further expanding our recurring revenue growth with this solution. Before I share a few closing remarks, I would like to turn the call over to Dave to provide more details on our Q3 results and our outlook for the Q4.

Speaker 2

Dave?

Speaker 3

Thanks, Dan, and good morning, everyone. As Dan noted, we delivered solid third quarter results in a challenging environment, including strong year over year increases in adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin. We posted approximately 7% organic growth in our software solutions net sales, including approximately 8% sales growth and our recurring compliance software products, all while continuing to drive operating efficiencies and expanding adjusted EBITDA margin to 27.4%. On a consolidated basis, total net sales for the Q3 of 2023 were $180,000,000 a decrease of $8,700,000 or 4.6% on a reported basis and 4.2% on an organic basis from the Q3 of 2022. Despite a modest sequential improvement in the level of capital markets transactional activity in the Q3, the overall transactional environment remained weak.

Speaker 3

In the Q3, the Capital Markets transactional business, which was down $8,800,000 or 15% versus the Q3 of 2022, once again accounted for more than all of the year over year sales decline. The decline in Capital Markets transactional sales as well as lower sales related to Capital Markets compliance activities were partially offset by growth in software solutions sales, which increased $3,700,000 or 5.3 percent on a reported basis and 6.8% on an organic basis compared to the Q3 of last year. 3rd quarter adjusted non GAAP gross margin was 60.6%, Approximately 510 basis points higher than the Q3 of 2022, primarily driven by the impact of cost control initiatives and the growth in Software Solutions sales, partially offset by lower Capital Markets transactional activity and incremental investments to accelerate our transformation. Adjusted non GAAP SG and A expense in the quarter was $59,700,000 a $200,000 increase from the Q3 of 2022. As a percentage of net sales, adjusted non GAAP SG and A was 33.2%, an increase of approximately 160 basis points from the Q3 of 2022.

Speaker 3

The increase in adjusted non GAAP SG and A was primarily driven by incremental transformation related investments and higher bad debt expense, partially offset by the impact of cost control initiatives and a reduction in selling expenses as a result of lower transactional sales volumes. Our 3rd quarter adjusted EBITDA was $49,400,000 an increase of $4,100,000 or 9.1 percent from the Q3 of 2022. 3rd quarter adjusted EBITDA margin was 27.4%, an increase of approximately 3.40 basis points from the Q3 of 2022, primarily driven by the impact of cost control initiatives, partially offset by lower Capital Markets transactional sales and incremental investments to accelerate the company's transformation. Turning now to our 3rd quarter segment results. Net sales in our Capital Markets Software Solutions segment were $46,500,000 an increase of 4.4% on an organic basis from the Q3 of last year.

Speaker 3

Net sales of our recurring compliance product, ActiveDisclosure, grew approximately 4% in the 3rd quarter. During the quarter, we made continued progress to expand the adoption of ActiveDisclosure. With the decommissioning of the legacy AD3 platform and associated customer churn behind us, we achieved an increase in net client count for the first time this year during the Q3. Our efforts to increase the value of ActiveDisclosure platform has generated nearly $130,000,000 of cumulative subscription contract value sold on NewAD. More importantly, this increased value has resulted in our average subscription value per client to increase by approximately 13% from the Q3 of 2022 and is up over 40% from the Q2 of 2020 prior to the launch of NewAD.

Speaker 3

Net sales of our virtual data room offering Venue were up $2,200,000 or 8.7 percent compared to the Q3 of last year, driven by increased room activity and higher pricing. As Dan noted earlier, Venue's performance has remained stable, which is a testament to the strong recurring demand for our virtual data room platform as well as our sales execution. Adjusted EBITDA margin for the segment was 25.6%, an increase of approximately 310 basis points from the Q3 of 2022, primarily due to higher sales and cost control initiatives, partially offset by incremental investments in technology development. Net sales in our Capital Markets Compliance and Communications Management segment were $70,100,000 a decrease of 16% on an organic basis from the Q3 of 2022, primarily driven by lower capital markets transactional activity. As we anticipated, the level of capital markets transactional albeit at a lower rate of decline than we experienced in the first half of the year.

Speaker 3

While the outlook for Capital Markets transactional environment is uncertain, including negative impacts stemming from a potential government shutdown, BFIN remains very well positioned to capture a significant share of Capital Markets compliance revenue was down $4,400,000 or approximately 17% versus the Q3 of 2022. While our capital markets compliance offering, which supports our corporate clients with their ongoing compliance needs, is mostly recurring in nature, A component of it is event driven, including certain 8 ks filings and special proxies, which can fluctuate from period to period. This year's Q3 net sales decline was driven by a lower volume of event driven special proxies as well as timing shifts of certain client filings, which were completed and recognized in the Q3 last year, but were completed and recognized in the Q2 this year. Adjusted EBITDA margin for the segment was 37.9%, an increase of approximately 7.30 basis points from the Q3 of 2020 2, the increase in adjusted EBITDA margin was primarily due to cost control initiatives, partially offset by lower sales volumes and higher bad debt expense. Net sales in our Investment Company Software Solutions segment were $26,700,000 an increase of 12.7 percent or 11.4% on an organic basis versus Q3 of 2022, primarily driven by growth in subscription revenue as a result of the continued strong adoption of ArcSuite within investment companies.

Speaker 3

In addition to the subscription revenue growth, We realized higher services and support revenue in the 3rd quarter related to a regulatory driven filing in the EU that was one time in nature. We expect a more normalized growth rate in the 4th quarter. We are encouraged by the performance of ArcSuite in the 3rd quarter and remain well positioned to capture opportunities from regulations such as tailored shareholder reports to drive future recurring revenue growth. Adjusted EBITDA margin for the segment was 37.1%, an increase of approximately 760 basis points from the Q3 of 2022. The increase in adjusted EBITDA margin was primarily due to operating leverage on the increase in sales and cost control initiatives, partially offset by higher product development and technology investments in support of growth opportunities.

Speaker 3

Net sales in our Investment Companies Compliance and Communications Management segment were $36,700,000 an increase of 2.2% from the Q3 of 2022, driven by higher transactional revenue, primarily related to a large mutual fund special proxy project. Adjusted EBITDA margin for the segment was 34.1%, approximately 40 basis points higher than the Q3 of 2022. The increase in adjusted EBITDA margin was primarily due to the impact of cost control initiatives, including continued synergies from our print platform consolidation and higher sales volumes. Non GAAP unallocated corporate expenses were $11,500,000 in the quarter, an increase of $1,900,000 from the 3rd order of 2022, primarily driven by an increase in expenses aimed at accelerating our transformation, partially offset by the impact of cost control initiatives. Free cash flow in the quarter was $61,300,000 a decrease of $7,400,000 compared to the Q3 of 20 22.

Speaker 3

The year over year decline in free cash flow is driven by higher capital expenditures related to investments in our software products and underlying technology to support them and higher restructuring and interest payments, partially offset by an increase in adjusted EBITDA. We ended the quarter with $165,900,000 of total debt and $154,200,000 of non GAAP net debt, including $41,500,000 drawn on a revolver, down from $95,500,000 drawn at the end of the second quarter. From a liquidity perspective, we had access to the remaining $257,500,000 of our revolver as well as $11,700,000 of cash on hand. As of September 30, 2023, our non GAAP Net leverage ratio was 0.8 times. As a reminder, our cash flow is historically seasonal, generating more than all of our free cash flow in the second half of the year.

Speaker 3

Regarding capital deployment, we repurchased approximately 310,000 shares of common stock during the quarter were $14,800,000 at an average price of $47.77 per share. Year to date through September 30, we've repurchased approximately 387,000 shares for $18,000,000 at an average price of $46.53 per share. As of September 30, 2023, We had $106,300,000 remaining on our $150,000,000 stock repurchase authorization. Going forward, we will continue to take a balanced approach toward capital deployment. We continue to view organic investments to drive our transformation, Share repurchases and net debt reduction, each as key components of our capital deployment strategy and will remain disciplined in this area.

Speaker 3

As it relates to our outlook for the Q4 of 2023, We expect continued softness in the Capital Markets transactions environment due to macroeconomic headwinds and geopolitical factors. We expect consolidated 4th quarter net sales in the range of $160,000,000 to $180,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA margin in the mid-twenty percent range. Compared to the Q4 of last year, the midpoint of our consolidated revenue guidance, $170,000,000 implies a very modest year over year increase in net sales. I'll also provide a bit more color on our assumptions for the Capital Markets, Compliance and Communications Management segment. At the midpoint of our sales range, we assume transactional sales of approximately $50,000,000 In addition and related to my earlier comments regarding the impact of the transactional environment on certain compliance filings, Most notably, special proxies and 8ks, our 4th quarter estimate assumes a modest year over year decline in our compliance based sales within this segment.

Speaker 3

With that, I'll now pass it back to Dan.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Dave. The execution of our strategy continues to deliver positive results and further demonstrates DFIN's ability to perform well in varying market conditions. While the outlook for the capital markets transactions market remains uncertain, Our solid financial profile provides us with the foundation to continue to execute our strategic transformation. Our focus remains on accelerating our business mix shift by continuing to grow our recurring revenue base, while maintaining market share elsewhere. We will continue to invest in our compliance software platform and capitalize on regulatory tailwinds created by regulations such as Tailored Shareholder Reports, ESG and the Financial Data Transparency Act.

Speaker 2

In addition, we will continue to aggressively manage our costs and drive operational efficiencies, while maintaining our historical discipline in the allocation of capital. We are in the midst of preparing our 2024 operating plan and extending our long range plan through 2028. In 2024, we expect to realize additional benefits from new regulations, continued operational transformation and the execution of our strategy, yet expect continued uncertainty in the Capital Markets transactional environment, driven by broader macroeconomic headwinds. Through the planning period, we expect continued progress in delivering higher value for our clients, employees and shareholders. Consistent with past practice, we expect to provide an update on 2024 and our long range projections in February.

Speaker 2

Before we open it up for Q and A, I'd like to thank the DFIN employees around the world We've been working tirelessly to ensure our clients continue to receive the highest quality solutions. Now with that, operator, we're ready for questions.

Operator

Our first question comes from the line of Charlie Strauzer with CJS Securities Inc. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hi, good morning.

Speaker 2

Good morning, Charlie.

Speaker 4

Just want to talk about boosting recurring revenue and really appreciate that avenue, if you will. Maybe Maybe we can talk a little bit more and provide a little bit more color there about the efforts to drive your sales mix more towards recurring revenue.

Speaker 2

Great. Thank you. Let me start and then Dave, see if you have any additional comments. So Yes, we started the nature of the business and the markets we serve or we serve rather, they're characterized by recurring demand and that's in both Software offerings as well as tech enabled solutions, and the recurring demand obviously drives performance predictability. And then in addition, we also serve the corporate transactions market, which of course is event driven, but really attractive financially and an important offering to serve our clients.

Speaker 2

And then something like Venue sits in the middle where its performance has been more predictable or consistent than The broader than our transactions business, because of its breadth of the markets it serves and the diligence process that it serves. And so if we look back, really since the spin, our investment and planning has been geared towards expanding the recurring Predictable offerings, and that includes serving new regulations, new disclosures, looking for new use cases to support our clients' compliance needs. We do have some areas of our business and at least in our reporting that include a mix of Predictable, as well as more event driven demand. And Dave can take you through some of that. Over time, we will have more disclosure and splitting that out to help get a clearer view of their various pieces.

Speaker 3

Dave? Yes. Thanks for the question, Charlie. So as Dan noted, we do provide the detailed Breakout of our sales by product in the investor presentation. I think from that data, you can get a pretty good sense The vast majority of what we call compliance sales in both of the compliance and communications management segment Would fit that bucket, all of the or the vast majority, I should say, of the investment company software.

Speaker 3

And then when you go to the Capital Markets Software, right, things like Active Disclosure, File 16, all recurring in nature. And we touched on it in the prepared remarks and Dan just comment on it. There is a component of what we call compliance that is really event driven, things like special proxies, etcetera. And so we'll Be breaking that detail out in the future. And then I think, again, we touched on it in the prepared remarks and Dan comment And here, when you look at something like Venue, while the primary use case for Venue is M and A, Venues tend to be much, much more consistent than certainly the M and A deals getting completed, the Broader M and A market, etcetera.

Speaker 3

I think when you look at the underlying diligence activity, it just tends to be much more stable Regardless of whether deals are getting completed or not.

Speaker 4

Great, thanks. And just a follow-up there. What does the competitive environment look

Speaker 2

Yes. I think we've made a lot of improvement over time in our offerings. And I think the Expensive nature of our offerings being able to bridge from software into the Service area has been a real differentiator for us and including into the distribution. You look at something like tailored shareholder reports And that's going to expand across all three of those offerings. And so I think a combination of What we've been doing internally as well as just the breadth of our offering is helpful.

Speaker 2

That said, competitors aren't standing still either. And so the markets remain Competitive as they've always been, but we feel really good about the progress that we've made.

Speaker 4

Great. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Pete Heckmann with D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hey, good morning, everyone. I missed some of the call. I had some overlapping activity this morning. But one thing I wanted to follow-up on is Talking about the competitive dynamics within the compliance piece of the business, are you seeing much shift there? It seems to me like Maybe one strong player on the software side and then a lot of fragmentation of smaller players.

Speaker 5

I mean, How do

Speaker 3

you see that

Speaker 5

shaking out over an intermediate term? Do you see some of those subscale players Just shaking out and not being able to compete or maybe the owners aging out of the business. But more importantly,

Speaker 3

I guess, how do you

Speaker 5

see yourself competing with on the tech side with software feature functionality?

Speaker 2

Sure. Yes, let me start and others can jump in. It's going to vary by product and offer. I think for us, we're number 1, 2 or 3 in each of the offerings that we have. And if you look at Leadership Economics generally flow to number 1, 2 or 3.

Speaker 2

So that said, like I I said in the last comment, there are formidable competitors, but we're happy with the progress that we're making, And we'll continue to invest behind it to make more. Specifically to your question on folks, Businesses going out or owners passing the torch, we're not seeing a lot of different behavior. Recently, the one thing that we've seen obviously with the raising of or the increase in interest rates and financing having a cost applied to it is From a valuation standpoint, in the broader market, both public and private, some of these businesses have been repriced. But for us, we're very comfortable with our strategy. We're focused on executing against it.

Speaker 2

I think the against it. I think the differentiators I mentioned on the last question is that we've got both the Software side of it and we can work with our clients the way in which they want to work and in the meantime push them along the Progression and sometimes ourselves getting pushed along the progression towards certainly more software orientation, But the ability to play in both sides is really helpful for us.

Speaker 6

Yes. Dan, maybe to build on that with the compliance software, The progress we're making in active disclosure isn't necessarily reflected this quarter. And so I look at that increased net client count in Q2 in Q3, which is the first time we've had a higher client count. And we're excited by what we see on the ActiveDisclosure platform because it's The newest fit for purpose disclosure tool in the market. I'd rather be us than anyone else.

Speaker 6

So our Clients are using ActiveDisclosure for their most important compliance needs. It's delivering. We're building it and have built it on Decades of SEC client success, very purpose driven price remains a strategic opportunity for us. We've been able to achieve higher prices with built in price renewals and longer contracts. And our clients are recognizing the value of this better product.

Speaker 6

They're signing up for multi year contracts. Our cumulative Average contract length is now 30 months. We are able to price at or below The market, which gives us an opportunity relative to the competition, who charges expensive add ons for additional modules that can accomplish what ActiveDisclosure does. So you can buy what you want here, not being forced Okay. For other modules with multiple contracts, with the decommissioning of 83 done, we're totally focused on The competition on net new logos, we're bringing more opportunities into our funnels, and we're really encouraged by the metrics that we see in our pipeline for future growth.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Sam Salves with Needham and Company. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hey, guys. Good morning. I'm on for Kyle today. Thanks for taking the questions here. Can you guys just talk a bit more about what you're seeing in terms of capital markets trends and maybe how those progressed throughout the quarter?

Speaker 6

Sure. This is Craig. Thank you for the question. I think if you look at the IPO market first, I said last time that the IPO market recovery is not going to be a straight line. And we certainly saw that in Q3 and it continues in October.

Speaker 6

So we had some big IPOs in Q3. We had ARM, which raised 63% of the quarterly proceeds in Q3. We also had Instacart and Clavio. Those haven't always been well received in the marketplace. So from a filed perspective in the quarter, we had 12 filings greater than $50,000,000 The remaining filings, which were 42, We're nano microchip Microcap Companies, so it speaks to the noise in the IPO market and the really small deals that are out there.

Speaker 6

We had 10 IPOs that priced in the quarter, raising more than 50,000,000 6 of those took place in the last couple of weeks of the quarter. 2 of the 7 companies who raised 100,000,000 Trading above their IPO price. So the pipeline for the company's file Certainly, it's nice. We have 22 in the market publicly filed. Defense working with 14 of those.

Speaker 6

And it doesn't include companies that have filed confidentially. So certainly, you've seen the market, There's a little dampened enthusiasm and the resurgence in IPOs is going to depend on how these IPOs do. But there's still a solid pipeline of companies that we think are waiting for the late Q1, Q2 of 2024, Assuming we had some stability in interest rates, the economy, geopolitical situations, Carve outs have been a success. So we've had continued bright spot companies carving out IPOs. So we had catalogs,

Speaker 3

which we worked with in

Speaker 6

the quarter, which was a nice IPO, and there's a strong pipeline. So there's about 6 major spends that are working. We're working with almost all of them, which is really terrific. And then as I move to M and A, certainly the quarter was not very exciting. As we referenced in the Remarks, deals down 35%, but a bright note in October, which has seen monthly M and A volume Be the greatest in over 4 years.

Speaker 6

So certainly the busiest month, that we've had in quite some time. These deals are obviously going to take place for a while and for us the 2024 events. But What does this all mean? The history has demonstrated that the deal market can change very quickly. It only takes a few Well received with statements to change sentiment.

Speaker 6

And we think as business normalizes, DFN is going to deliver Our strong mix of high profile, high profit M and A, IPO, private equity, de SPACs, and more importantly, back to the software question, These transactional deals are pipeline for recurring software subscription revenue, because we support our clients and their ongoing Reporting needs, so we think we're performing better than the market. From a transactional perspective, we think engagement is high, Underlying activity is high, and it will result in recurring software. So Dave, I don't know if you want to add to that?

Speaker 3

Yes. And I think I would just say a couple of things to put it into context Relative to 2021 where the transactional business was just north of $400,000,000 in sales, When you look on a trailing 4 quarter basis now, we're well under half of that, I think about $190,000,000 or To Craig's point, when you look at how this year has started to slowly recover and you go quarter by quarter From $41,000,000 in Q1 to $46,000,000 in Q2, dollars 49,000,000 this quarter And like we said in the guidance, assuming $50,000,000 for the 4th quarter, So still in the $180,000,000 range for the year is well off The high watermark that we saw in 2021.

Speaker 7

Okay. That's super helpful. Appreciate all the color there. And then just wanted to touch on the gross margin strength this quarter. Those came in really impressive.

Speaker 7

Could you guys just talk about some of the drivers behind the expansion there? And how we should think about those going forward too maybe?

Speaker 3

Yes. I think it look it's more of the same, right, as we continue to shift the mix Towards software, the incremental margins, the operating leverage you get on That offering is very, very high. I think also and it's been part of our DNA when you look Really since the spin, really doing a tremendous job on managing the cost structure. And we've referenced in some of the product offerings where We're recognizing some price increases, etcetera. So all those factors contribute to the Not only the high gross margin, but EBITDA margin at 27% in the quarter, Yes, really, really strong, especially in the soft capital markets transactional environment.

Speaker 7

Okay. That's helpful. Thanks guys. Nice quarter.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Raj Sharma with B. Riley. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Yes. Thank you for taking my questions. Solid quarter. I just had a couple of questions on the Compliance transactions are lower in Q3. Is the decline all due to seasonality?

Speaker 8

I see that there were one off proxies. And is that impact to continue? Could you add more color to that please?

Speaker 3

Yes, Raj. So and we noted it in the prepared remarks, right? And I assume you're talking about The Capital Markets Compliance and Communications Management segment and the revenue that we call compliance there. There's absolutely part of it is seasonal. So you would see that normal seasonality with Q2 typically being the peak.

Speaker 3

We did note in the prepared remarks that when you look at the comparisons on a year over year basis, and obviously the seasonality It's similar between years. The other factors that contributed to it were the fact that there were a few Proxies and kind of the recurring proxy work that were filed in Q3 of 2022 And those same companies filed in Q2 of 2023. So we did get a little bit of a pickup In Q2 and then you see that flipping back the other way here in Q3. And then in addition, there were also some Special proxies, which are more event driven that occurred in the Q3 of 2022 And we didn't have the level of activity associated with that type of work in the Q3 this year.

Speaker 8

Got it. And then just a question on the tailored shareholder reports. The impact or sort of the need for the services going forward in terms of the need for print output is seemingly is different from the 30e3 requirements. So if more print Output is needed for TSR. Does that raise costs and reduce margins or How do you sort of handle that now that a lot of the print has been rationalized and outsourced?

Speaker 3

Yes. So it's a great question, Raj, and I'll comment and have Eric jump in with some more details. So you're right that the way the regulation is currently that print Output will be part of what's required and will be part of our revenue stream there. We've talked in the past that we're seeing We expect to see not only print, but also traditional services as well as software. Specific to your question on the cost structure and how it affects us, as you know, we've done a really, really good job.

Speaker 3

And to The earlier question on gross margin, we've consolidated our manufacturing facility down to a Single digital print location, we outsource all of our offset printing. And so when you think about those two components, The offset printing will it's effectively a fully variable model. And No impact on our cost structure other than outsourcing that work when we have the revenue and the work that we needed To produce it, and on the digital equipment, it's a little bit of a different model there. As you've seen, Our margins have gone up over time, just given the mix and how we're managing both the digital print platform as well as the how we're treating the outsourcing. And so the short answer is no change to the cost structure.

Speaker 3

There's obviously some variable costs that come along with the incremental revenue, but we feel really good about Kind of the dynamics there and how we're positioned to serve that market and really drive solid margins going forward, Regardless if it's digital print or offset print. Eric, anything to add on the regulation?

Speaker 9

Yes. Hey, thanks Dave. And Raj, Just building on Dave's comments,

Speaker 6

if you

Speaker 9

think of an annual report, much, much larger document, the tailored shareholder report is a much smaller Page count, so it's a great fit for our digital platform. So while the number of share classes increases, the number of pages actually Distributed decreases. So again, that fits our platform extremely well. But I think key to your question and maybe to Expand a bit on it is this regulation is a mix of a broad spectrum of services, which fit deep in extremely well. A lot of discussion around the tagging in the IXB Rail.

Speaker 9

There's creation of the share class Reports and that can be done in our software as well as our tech enabled solutions, the tagging and then the filing. But But I think where you were going with your question was around the downstream impact. So they're beyond the digital print requirements. Those share class Supports have to be web hosted and distributed electronically delivered. And there's an ADA element to all this where That's a value add that deep in provides from our solutions, both tech enabled and software to help our clients meet This demand across the spectrum.

Speaker 9

So certainly, it drives digital printing activity, but it does drive a lot more services Across our spectrum of solutions and then not only is a fund asset manager type impact, there's also the insurance investment side of this, which has impacted significantly on the distribution side. While the mutual funds and the share class requirements Our significant the investment insurance side of the business also has to comply with the TSR regulation. So, there There's a big impact there as well, very complex ecosystem and our clients are coming to DHIN to manage that. Dan had mentioned earlier, we had a press release earlier in October to talk about our Alpha release. And In that release, I think it's important to note that our solution has a straight through processing element that enables The financial report and the TSR to be strongly linked, eliminating any need for post production reconciliation.

Speaker 9

The dynamic output templates allowing great deal of flexibility and output and that ultimately then drives the distribution and output. And then all of this then managed by an enhanced dashboard experience giving our clients a full view of where their TSR stand from production the whole way through distribution.

Speaker 8

All right. Great. Thank you. And then just one last question on related to the Taylor shareholder reports and the SEC requirements mandate that are coming, so they will drive higher revenues For software revenue growth, but there is a when you say to go from the current year on year growth rates Doubling, you talked about software doubling by fiscal 'twenty six. Correct me if I'm mistaken on that.

Speaker 8

That is a pretty significant jump from where Software has grown in the last, let's say, a year. And could you talk a little bit about that? How do you how to understand that Jump in growth rates

Speaker 3

going forward? Raj, I'm happy to take that one. And so, I think to your point, you look at the historical growth rates And if you just run those out, you may get a different answer. I think when you look at some of the new regulations coming into play like TSR, We've talked about our single compliance platform with the potential to address new regulations. I also think there's an aspect of certain parts of the business that Today, we work through traditional services that over time will continue to migrate more toward a software offering or a hybrid software offering.

Speaker 3

And so, like we said, we're in the midst of extending out our long range projections and we'll share more in February as we typically do. But those are just some of the highlights of how we're thinking about the overall mix of revenue going forward.

Speaker 8

Great. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thank you. Welcome.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call over to Dan Lee for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thank you and thank you everyone for joining us. We look forward to speaking again on our Q4 call in February and Prior to that, at some investor conferences. So thank you again.

Operator

I would like to thank our speakers for today's presentation, and thank you all for joining us. This now concludes today's call and you may now disconnect.

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