NASDAQ:FDUS Fidus Investment Q3 2023 Earnings Report $18.91 -0.16 (-0.83%) As of 12:32 PM Eastern This is a fair market value price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Fidus Investment EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.68Consensus EPS $0.62Beat/MissBeat by +$0.06One Year Ago EPSN/AFidus Investment Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$34.19 millionExpected Revenue$31.02 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$3.17 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AFidus Investment Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2023Date11/2/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateFriday, November 3, 2023Conference Call Time9:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsFidus Investment's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Thursday, May 8, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Friday, May 9, 2025 at 9:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Fidus Investment Q3 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 3, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, and welcome to Fidus Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, our operator will need to ask questions. I would now like to turn the conference over to Ms. Jody Buffering. Operator00:00:23Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:25Thank you, Nick, and good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for Fidus Investment Corporation's Q3 2023 earnings conference call. With me this morning are Ed Ross, Fidus Investment Corporation's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Shelby Sherrod, Chief Financial Officer. Fidus Investment Corporation issued a press release yesterday afternoon with the details of the company's quarterly financial results. A copy of the press release is available on the Investor Relations page of the company's website atfdus.com. I'd also like to call your attention to the customary Safe Harbor disclosure regarding forward looking information included on today's call. Speaker 100:01:06Conference call today will contain forward looking statements, including statements regarding the goals, strategies, beliefs, future potential, operating results and cash flows of Fidus Investment Corporation. Although management believes these statements are reasonable based on estimates, assumptions and projections as of today, November 3, 2023. These statements are not guarantees of future performance. Time sensitive information may no longer be accurate the time of any telephonic or webcast replay. Actual results may differ materially as a result of risks, uncertainties and other factors, including, but not limited to, the factors set forth in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Speaker 100:01:49Fidus undertakes no obligation to update or revise any of these forward looking statements. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Ed. Good morning, Ed. Speaker 200:01:58Good morning, Jody, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to our Q3 2023 earnings conference call. On today's call, I'll start with a review of our Q3 performance and our portfolio at quarter end and then share with you our outlook for the remainder of 2023. Shelby will cover the Q3 financial results Our liquidity position. After we have completed our prepared remarks, we'll be happy to take your questions. Speaker 200:02:32We delivered strong results for the Q3 with our portfolio continuing to grow adjusted net investment income And with adjusted net investment income remaining well in excess of our base dividend. Much like the first half of twenty twenty three, deal flow Was decent but not robust by any means as M and A activity remains subdued in the lower middle market. We're patient and we're disciplined and we're staying focused on our proven strategy of selectively investing in value added businesses That generate high levels of free cash flow and have positive long term outlooks. Adjusted net investment income, Which we define as net investment income excluding any capital gain incentive fee attributable to realized and unrealized gains and losses Increased 46 percent to $18,200,000 in Q3 compared to $12,500,000 last year. Interest income growth drove this increase, reflecting both higher average loans outstanding And 170 basis point increase in average debt yields to 14.6%. Speaker 200:03:49Taking into account the increase in weighted average shares outstanding resulting from our equity raise during the quarter, Adjusted net investment income on a per share basis increased 33.3 percent to $0.68 from $0.51 We paid dividends totaling $0.72 per share consisting of a base dividend of $0.41 per share, A supplemental dividend of $0.21 per share and a special cash dividend of $0.10 per share. As a reminder, we are distributing a special cash dividend of $0.10 per share each quarter this year to satisfy RIC requirements And to bring our spillover income in line with our target level, roughly the equivalent of dividends for 3 quarters. For the Q4 on October 30, 2023, the Board of Directors declared dividends totaling $0.80 per share Consisting of a base dividend of $0.43 per share, a supplemental dividend of $0.27 per share equal to 100% which will be payable on December 27, 2023 to stockholders of record as of December 20, 2023. Net asset value at quarter end was $548,600,000 or $19.28 per share compared to $483,300,000 or $19.13 per share as of June 30. During the quarter, we continued to invest in our portfolio of debt securities that generate recurring interest income and co invested in equity securities as a means of adding a margin of safety and creating the opportunity to enhance returns. Speaker 200:05:59Originations totaled $56,700,000 consisting of $48,500,000 in debt and $8,200,000 in equity. 1st lien investments accounted for $43,100,000 Nearly all of the additions to the debt portfolio. We invested 30 $3,100,000 in 2 new portfolio companies that were added to the portfolio financing M and A transactions. The remaining portion of originations was invested in add ons in support of our existing portfolio companies. Proceeds totaling $69,900,000 were slightly higher than originations for the 3rd quarter, Reflecting 4 debt repayments and 2 equity realizations, including the sale of Hallmark, which occurred earlier than we had expected. Speaker 200:06:55From an equity perspective, we received proceeds of $11,000,000 resulting in realized gains of $9,800,000 most of which came from the sale of our equity investment in Hallmark. Our portfolio of debt investments on a fair value This was $798,000,000 or 86% of the total portfolio at quarter end. 1st lien investments continue to account for the largest piece of the debt portfolio at 65%, Including the fair value of our equity portfolio of $128,800,000 the fair value of the total portfolio at quarter end Stood at $926,900,000 equal to 103.5 percent of cost. We ended the Q3 with 80 active portfolio companies and 2 companies that have sold their underlying operations. Subsequent to quarter end, we invested $31,800,000 in 1st lien debt and preferred equity in 2 new portfolio companies And we had debt repayments in 3 companies generating net proceeds of approximately 29 $300,000 As we added debt and equity investments to our portfolio, we continue With a high percentage of equity cushion in an effort to manage downside risk, which is especially important in today's higher rate environment. Speaker 200:08:38For the most part, our portfolio companies have adjusted to current economic conditions and those with pricing power generally found ways to Prosper despite inflationary cost pressures and higher interest rates. Select portfolio companies are continuing to navigate Today's tougher conditions and we are monitoring them closely. As of September 30, we had 2 operating companies on nonaccrual Unchanged from the Q2, non accruals represented 1.3% of the total portfolio on a fair value basis. In summary, the credit quality of our portfolio overall remains very solid. As we close out the year, the pace of deal activity in the lower middle market has been picking up relative to Q3. Speaker 200:09:31Our portfolio remains healthy and with our strong liquidity, we are well positioned to grow the portfolio Selectively and deliberately, investing in high quality companies in the lower middle market that possess resilient business models and positive long term outlooks and generate high levels of cash flow. As always, We are committed to managing the business for the long term and to our goals of preserving capital, generating attractive risk adjusted returns and delivering value for our shareholders. Now I'll turn the call over to Shelby to provide some details on our financial and operating results. Shelby? Speaker 300:10:14Thank you, Ed, and good morning, everyone. I'll review our Q3 results in more detail and close with comments on our liquidity position. Please note, I will be providing comparative commentary versus the prior quarter Q2 2023. Total investment income was $34,200,000 for the 3 months ended September 30, a $3,600,000 increase from Q2, primarily due to a $3,700,000 increase in interest income, including PIK, offset by a slight decrease in dividend income. The increase in interest income was driven by an increase in average debt investment balances outstanding as well as an increase in the yield on our debt investments given increase in interest rates on variable rate loans. Speaker 300:10:55Total expenses, including income tax provision, were $17,500,000 for the 3rd quarter, $3,800,000 higher than Q2, driven primarily by a $2,700,000 increase in the accrued capital gains incentive fee, A $400,000 increase in interest expenses in part due to incremental SBA debt outstanding and a $700,000 increase in the base management and income incentive fees. We ended the quarter with $454,300,000 of debt outstanding comprised of $188,000,000 of SBA debentures, $250,000,000 of unsecured notes and $16,300,000 of secured borrowings. Our debt to equity ratio as of September 30 was 0.83 times or 0.49x statutory leverage excluding exempt SBA debentures. The weighted average interest rate on our outstanding debt was 4.3% as of September 30, 23. Net investment income or NII for the 3 months ended September 30 was $0.63 per share versus $0.67 per share in Q2. Speaker 300:11:56Adjusted NII, which excludes any capital gains incentive fee accruals or reversals attributable to realized and unrealized gains and losses on investments, With $0.68 per share in Q3 versus $0.62 per share in Q2. In Q3, we realized net gains of $9,800,000 primarily related to the exit of our equity investment in Hallmark Healthcare Solutions. Turning now to portfolio statistics as of September 30. Our total investment portfolio had a fair value of $926,900,000 Our average portfolio company investment on a cost basis Was $11,200,000 which excludes investments in 2 portfolio companies that have sold their operations and are in the process of winding down. We have equity investments in approximately 76.8 percent of our portfolio companies with average fully diluted equity ownership of 3.2%. Speaker 300:12:48Weighted average effective yield on debt investments was 14.6% as of September 30 versus 14.5% at June 30. The weighted average yield is computed using effective interest rates for debt investments at cost, including the accretion of original issue discount and loan origination fees, but excluding investments on nonaccrual, if any. Now I'd like to briefly discuss our available liquidity. In Q3, we issued 3,200,000 shares at an average share price of $19.54 raising net proceeds of approximately 61,500,000 As of September 30, our liquidity and capital resources included cash of $80,300,000 $22,000,000 of available SBA debentures $100,000,000 of availability on our line of credit, resulting in total liquidity of approximately 202,300,000 Now I'll turn the call back to Ed for concluding comments. Speaker 200:13:43Thanks, Shelby. As always, I'd like to thank our team and the Board of Directors at Fidus for their dedication and hard work and our shareholders for their continued support. I will now turn the call over to Nick for Q and A. Nick? Operator00:13:59Thank you. Now I'll begin the question and answer session. First question will be from Bryce Roe, B. Riley. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:14:25Thanks. Good morning. Speaker 200:14:26Good morning, Bryce. Speaker 400:14:30Ed, wanted to ask you guys or talk about the ATM usage. Obviously, nice to see the stock trade above NAV and give you the ability to raise some equity in the 3rd quarter, pretty substantial amount. Can you kind of delineate between the opportunistic being opportunistic with the stock above NAV And maybe just raising the equity in anticipation of some more activity, Whether it be in the Q4 or into the 1st part of 2024? Speaker 200:15:07Sure. It's a great question, Bryce. I think From my perspective, first off, I think we're very pleased with our overall performance and where the stock has been trading. But I think more importantly, what we're pleased with is the opportunities that we are seeing in the market. And in particular, these are mostly very high quality companies that we are pursuing. Speaker 200:15:36The leverage levels are very reasonable. Loan to values are 30% to 50% if you will. And so we think from a risk adjusted return basis, this is a great time to invest. And quite frankly, the companies that are coming The market from an M and A perspective are very high quality companies that we believe can withstand Any of the uncertainties that we're all fearful of. But We feel good about the opportunity set and obviously we feel also good about the fact that our stock has been trading well. Speaker 400:16:16Great. That's helpful. And then maybe another question here just on the dividend. Nice to see The bump higher in the dividend, at least the regular dividend, just curious how you're thinking about Possibly paying out the excess earnings over and above the base dividend amount. Do you expect To continue to pay out the full excess or will you moderate that a bit as we move into 2024? Speaker 400:16:48Thanks. Speaker 200:16:49Sure. Great question, Bryce. I think again, we're thrilled with the performance of the business. And as you know, we've had some very meaningful equity realizations over the last really several years. And so the earnings power of the business is at a higher level. Speaker 200:17:09And so we're very pleased to have raised the base dividend. Our current posture is to continue to pay out Our excess earnings as we are today. And so that would That's our current posture and that's our expectation as we move into 2024. Obviously, this quarter Q4 is the last quarter we intend on paying this extra $0.10 special, which we've been paying for the past 5 quarters including Q4 of this year, but we do intend on continuing to pay out 100% as Of our excess earnings in the prior period, as we move forward or move into 2024. Speaker 400:17:59That's great. Appreciate the commentary. Great quarter and I'll jump back in queue. Thanks. Speaker 200:18:04All right. Great. Thank you, Bryce. Good talking to you. Operator00:18:09Thank you. Next question will be from Mickey Schleien of Ladenburg. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:18:14Yes. Good morning, Ed and Shelby. I want to start with a high level question perhaps for Ed. In the upper middle market, we're starting to see spreads come Just as a function of the amount of private capital that's out there and the lack of M and A volume and we have a Supply and demand mismatch. Are you starting to see that trickle down into the middle market and lower middle market where You operate, Ed? Speaker 200:18:48Great question, Mickey. And the short answer to that is a little bit. I would say that spreads narrowed maybe 25 basis points and certain Situation is 50 over the last 6 months or so. I think there was a period 12 months ago, 9 months ago where There were certain lenders that were really not in the marketplace at all. Today, there appears to be More competition, it's not crazy at any level. Speaker 200:19:24People are being disciplined. But I do think for the high quality situations, which is what we're focused on, The spreads have narrowed a little bit here over the last 3 to 6 months. So very similar in nature. Speaker 500:19:38Okay. I appreciate that insight. Going back to the equity issuance question, I just want to Understand. Are you still expecting to operate the BDC somewhere between 0.8x and 1.1x On a debt on a total debt to equity basis? And is your current level, which is the bottom end of that range, Also factoring in some expectation about headwinds for the economy. Speaker 200:20:11Sure. Great question. I think your initial comment of 0.8 to 11 is a good one. It's where we have operated really has been 0.8 So one to 1, historically, we are comfortable going over 1 to 1 as opportunities arise. But There was an opportunity to raise capital here. Speaker 200:20:36We saw that Q4 was going to be active. We also believe 2024 will probably show up a little bit more active than 2023. There's just End of demand out there, and there's a need more of a need for actually transactions to take place. So We thought being prepared for that made a ton of sense. So I wouldn't say We were raising capital to position the business to withstand concerns about the economy. Speaker 200:21:10It was more To position the business to handle the opportunities that we think we're going to see here going forward. Speaker 500:21:20Okay, I understand. My last question is more a little bit more of a housekeeping question on interest income, which increased 13% quarter to quarter, but the debt portfolio cost actually declined 1% and your average Portfolio yields only increased 10 basis points. So the interest income growth seems high, unless I'm doing my math incorrectly. Was there anything Sort of non recurring and interest income accrued this quarter that we should be aware of? Speaker 200:21:52Sure. I'm going to let Shelby take that. Understand your question, but I'll let her take that. Speaker 300:21:58Okay. No, there were no kind of particularly unique items. With debt repayments, we will have acceleration of OID, but that's kind of routine in course with respect to repayments. Speaker 200:22:14We also had interest income from some of the cash on our balance sheet throughout part of it. Speaker 500:22:22Right. Speaker 200:22:23And I think the average loans outstanding were higher during the quarter than they were at quarter end, some of the repayments. Speaker 500:22:30Right. Yes. I was going Say it, it sounds like it has to do with the cadence of the investments that you made, right? Correct. Speaker 200:22:39That's correct. Speaker 500:22:41Okay. That's it for me this morning. Thank you for your time. Speaker 200:22:46Thank you. Appreciate it. Good talking to you, Mickey. Operator00:22:50Thank you. Next question will be from Robert Dodd of Raymond James. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:22:55Hi guys and congratulations On the quarter, another another year quarter. On the kind of at about Running the ATM because you're seeing more opportunities. Can you tell us about the I mean, you mentioned here that The quality of deals available, they were very high quality. If I look back last quarter, obviously, it varies about whether you're pursuing them or not. The last quarter, some of the available deals in the market you described as hit or miss. Speaker 600:23:29So have you seen A change in kind of the mix of deals that are coming to market that are higher quality, which then It justifies the running the ATM because if you can unless you win those deals, it's great for portfolio Quality overall. I mean, is there any mix going on at the moment, mix shift? Speaker 200:23:52No. Not really. What I would say is look, deal flow actually deal flow wasn't bad by any stretch of imagination In Q3, quality has been hit or miss all year though is what I would say. So That's a big piece of the puzzle. And then in terms of our investment activity In Q3, we had a couple of deals spill over into Q4. Speaker 200:24:24And again, we think Q4 will be a Stronger investment period than Q3, partly because of that and also just the pickup in activity. From a type of business or mix that we're seeing, it's really largely across the board. Where we're spending time are those companies that have recurring or reoccurring revenues. So it's Pretty strong stability, backgrounds, if you will, and so that and high free cash flows. And so those are the types of businesses that we are focused on and we are seeing a little bit of an uptick, but some of that's just Q4 versus Q3 where the summer slows things down a little bit. Speaker 200:25:14But we are hopeful the next year will be And kind of anticipate a little bit of a pickup in M and A activity in 2024. Speaker 600:25:27Got it. Got it. Thank you. And then just on where and obviously credit quality across the portfolio looks fine, But more than 5, where one of the reactions and I'm actually going to the board, in terms of Sponsor interactions, I mean, is anything changing on that front given now we've been in a High rate environment for a relatively prolonged period now. Are they starting to change how they're looking at Supporting portfolio companies or is everything just business as usual? Speaker 200:26:08I'm not seeing really any noticeable change. I mean, We've seen some support and tougher situations that we have where to go through an amendment we're requiring support. We have a portfolio that's very active from an add on acquisition perspective and folks are doing that. I am what I'm seeing and what we're seeing is a firm is a pretty high level of or a pretty high Interest in trying to define high quality companies recognizing The rates are higher and maybe quite frankly in some cases private equity groups are paying a little more than they would like to. But for A assets, I think that's where is a flight to quality from an equity perspective And from a debt perspective. Speaker 200:27:02And if people can locate and get an opportunity to invest in a very high quality A type business, Then folks are willing to still pay up for them quite frankly. And you're seeing that Speaker 600:27:15in some Speaker 200:27:15of the realizations that we have as well. Speaker 600:27:20Got it. I appreciate that. Thank you. Speaker 200:27:23Thank you, Robert. Good talking to you. Operator00:27:26Thank you. Next question will be from Paul Johnson of KBW. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:27:37Yes, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. On the Hallmark, just going back to the Hallmark Health Gaze sale, I'm just trying to understand kind of, obviously, that was a successful exit for you guys, just kind of understanding what's going on there with the It looks like you have just a little bit of an equity investment left in the portfolio. Just any color you can kind of on what perpetuated I guess the sale and What do you guys have left remaining in the portfolio with that company? Speaker 200:28:10Sure. Great question, Paul. Paul, this Omar has been a great performer for us. We actually the company was and the sponsor was evaluating A couple of things. One was more of a dividend recap or a sale transaction. Speaker 200:28:28And quite frankly, we weren't In the no as much as maybe we would have even liked. But it so Sale transaction transpired. It was documented legally as a full sale of the whole Equity tranche, having said that, the sponsor is rolling over a significant portion, Not up to 50%, less than 50%, but a significant portion of their investment and we Followed that lead and so we also invested the same percentage In the business on a go forward basis. So it was a full realization, but we invested a significant Amount and the go forward capitalization of the business. Is that helpful? Speaker 700:29:26Yes, this is very helpful. Thanks for that. It's great color. And obviously, you guys recognize the gain on the sale, but was that investment also written up During the quarter, are you able to quantify that at all? Impacting that. Speaker 200:29:40Shelby, do you have that at your fingertips or I'll give a higher level? Speaker 300:29:48I don't have the exact number, but Station that we had in Q3 was materially higher than the fair value we had it marked out at the end of Q2. Speaker 700:29:59Right. Okay. Great. That's what I'll say. Okay. Speaker 700:30:02Thanks for that. And then, so last quarter you just kind of gave, I think it was It's an approximation of, I think you said 55 percent or so of your companies were still growing EBITDA last quarter. Are you able to provide any kind of similar approximation of the percent of your portfolio that you Still see growing revenues or EBITDA at this point? Speaker 200:30:30Sure, sure. It's a great question. Yes. The portfolio continues to perform well. I think of the core lower middle market Businesses that were invested in, EBITDA, I guess, what's the number, 35 of 56 companies that fall in that category, and we also have some equity standalone Businesses or orphaned equity investments that are not included there. Speaker 200:31:03And so about 63% of the companies grew Cash flows or EBITDA. And then overall, our portfolio grew on an LTM basis this Quarter just less than 5%. So we're seeing still healthy performance and healthy growth And the underlying portfolio, which we're very pleased with. Speaker 700:31:28Thanks for that. That's very helpful. And then last one at this point, Obviously, dollars 0.68 was very strong results this quarter. I'm just curious, at this point, do you kind of see this as sort of The full flow through, if you will, of higher rates at this point, at least From an NII perspective in the portfolio or is there a possibility of I guess, higher OID amortization, that's where I think these, from the payments and such to continue, I guess, generating Results around these levels are possibly even higher. Any kind of color there would be would also be helpful. Speaker 700:32:19That's all for me. Thanks. Speaker 200:32:21Sure. It's a great question. One that's not that easy to answer. But I think we are obviously, we're very pleased with the performance this quarter. This next quarter, I do want to highlight we will have excise expense, so that will impact NII in Q4, and which is relevant. Speaker 200:32:50I do think interest Income, so on the revenue side, it's at a pretty high level. At this point, I don't see that Rate going higher, obviously the Fed stayed put and I actually see a couple higher yielding investments in portfolio that will probably repay. And so I see stability there from a yield perspective. But at the same time and I do think there'll be continued monetization of Certain equity investments, it's not going to be like 2021 where there was just a very robust amount of M and A activity. But M and A is still Transpiring and we expect equity investments to still monetize if you will. Speaker 200:33:42And so we think the outlook is very good as we move forward. Exactly where we end up, do we go above 68? It's clearly possible. It has to do with a lot of things getting more invested. Our fee income at a reasonable level that quarter or not? Speaker 200:34:02Are there any dividends? All those things You got to take into account a little bit. But obviously, dollars 0.68 is a great quarter, and we would We're going to strive to do better, but at the same time we're focused on portfolio quality and consistency as opposed to just driving the highest earnings we Can. So, hopefully that's helpful. But Q4 will be impacted and I think that's relevant. Speaker 200:34:31Shelby, do you have anything to add to that? Speaker 300:34:35No, you mentioned the excise tax. So that's just kind of an annual accrual that we have, which we'll continue to have this year. Speaker 700:34:45Got it. Thanks guys. Appreciate the answers and congratulations on a great quarter. Speaker 200:34:50Thanks Paul. Good talking to you. Operator00:34:54Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the call back over to Mr. Ed Ross for closing remarks. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, and welcome to Fidus Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, our operator will need to ask questions. I would now like to turn the conference over to Ms. Jody Buffering. Operator00:00:23Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:25Thank you, Nick, and good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for Fidus Investment Corporation's Q3 2023 earnings conference call. With me this morning are Ed Ross, Fidus Investment Corporation's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Shelby Sherrod, Chief Financial Officer. Fidus Investment Corporation issued a press release yesterday afternoon with the details of the company's quarterly financial results. A copy of the press release is available on the Investor Relations page of the company's website atfdus.com. I'd also like to call your attention to the customary Safe Harbor disclosure regarding forward looking information included on today's call. Speaker 100:01:06Conference call today will contain forward looking statements, including statements regarding the goals, strategies, beliefs, future potential, operating results and cash flows of Fidus Investment Corporation. Although management believes these statements are reasonable based on estimates, assumptions and projections as of today, November 3, 2023. These statements are not guarantees of future performance. Time sensitive information may no longer be accurate the time of any telephonic or webcast replay. Actual results may differ materially as a result of risks, uncertainties and other factors, including, but not limited to, the factors set forth in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Speaker 100:01:49Fidus undertakes no obligation to update or revise any of these forward looking statements. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Ed. Good morning, Ed. Speaker 200:01:58Good morning, Jody, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to our Q3 2023 earnings conference call. On today's call, I'll start with a review of our Q3 performance and our portfolio at quarter end and then share with you our outlook for the remainder of 2023. Shelby will cover the Q3 financial results Our liquidity position. After we have completed our prepared remarks, we'll be happy to take your questions. Speaker 200:02:32We delivered strong results for the Q3 with our portfolio continuing to grow adjusted net investment income And with adjusted net investment income remaining well in excess of our base dividend. Much like the first half of twenty twenty three, deal flow Was decent but not robust by any means as M and A activity remains subdued in the lower middle market. We're patient and we're disciplined and we're staying focused on our proven strategy of selectively investing in value added businesses That generate high levels of free cash flow and have positive long term outlooks. Adjusted net investment income, Which we define as net investment income excluding any capital gain incentive fee attributable to realized and unrealized gains and losses Increased 46 percent to $18,200,000 in Q3 compared to $12,500,000 last year. Interest income growth drove this increase, reflecting both higher average loans outstanding And 170 basis point increase in average debt yields to 14.6%. Speaker 200:03:49Taking into account the increase in weighted average shares outstanding resulting from our equity raise during the quarter, Adjusted net investment income on a per share basis increased 33.3 percent to $0.68 from $0.51 We paid dividends totaling $0.72 per share consisting of a base dividend of $0.41 per share, A supplemental dividend of $0.21 per share and a special cash dividend of $0.10 per share. As a reminder, we are distributing a special cash dividend of $0.10 per share each quarter this year to satisfy RIC requirements And to bring our spillover income in line with our target level, roughly the equivalent of dividends for 3 quarters. For the Q4 on October 30, 2023, the Board of Directors declared dividends totaling $0.80 per share Consisting of a base dividend of $0.43 per share, a supplemental dividend of $0.27 per share equal to 100% which will be payable on December 27, 2023 to stockholders of record as of December 20, 2023. Net asset value at quarter end was $548,600,000 or $19.28 per share compared to $483,300,000 or $19.13 per share as of June 30. During the quarter, we continued to invest in our portfolio of debt securities that generate recurring interest income and co invested in equity securities as a means of adding a margin of safety and creating the opportunity to enhance returns. Speaker 200:05:59Originations totaled $56,700,000 consisting of $48,500,000 in debt and $8,200,000 in equity. 1st lien investments accounted for $43,100,000 Nearly all of the additions to the debt portfolio. We invested 30 $3,100,000 in 2 new portfolio companies that were added to the portfolio financing M and A transactions. The remaining portion of originations was invested in add ons in support of our existing portfolio companies. Proceeds totaling $69,900,000 were slightly higher than originations for the 3rd quarter, Reflecting 4 debt repayments and 2 equity realizations, including the sale of Hallmark, which occurred earlier than we had expected. Speaker 200:06:55From an equity perspective, we received proceeds of $11,000,000 resulting in realized gains of $9,800,000 most of which came from the sale of our equity investment in Hallmark. Our portfolio of debt investments on a fair value This was $798,000,000 or 86% of the total portfolio at quarter end. 1st lien investments continue to account for the largest piece of the debt portfolio at 65%, Including the fair value of our equity portfolio of $128,800,000 the fair value of the total portfolio at quarter end Stood at $926,900,000 equal to 103.5 percent of cost. We ended the Q3 with 80 active portfolio companies and 2 companies that have sold their underlying operations. Subsequent to quarter end, we invested $31,800,000 in 1st lien debt and preferred equity in 2 new portfolio companies And we had debt repayments in 3 companies generating net proceeds of approximately 29 $300,000 As we added debt and equity investments to our portfolio, we continue With a high percentage of equity cushion in an effort to manage downside risk, which is especially important in today's higher rate environment. Speaker 200:08:38For the most part, our portfolio companies have adjusted to current economic conditions and those with pricing power generally found ways to Prosper despite inflationary cost pressures and higher interest rates. Select portfolio companies are continuing to navigate Today's tougher conditions and we are monitoring them closely. As of September 30, we had 2 operating companies on nonaccrual Unchanged from the Q2, non accruals represented 1.3% of the total portfolio on a fair value basis. In summary, the credit quality of our portfolio overall remains very solid. As we close out the year, the pace of deal activity in the lower middle market has been picking up relative to Q3. Speaker 200:09:31Our portfolio remains healthy and with our strong liquidity, we are well positioned to grow the portfolio Selectively and deliberately, investing in high quality companies in the lower middle market that possess resilient business models and positive long term outlooks and generate high levels of cash flow. As always, We are committed to managing the business for the long term and to our goals of preserving capital, generating attractive risk adjusted returns and delivering value for our shareholders. Now I'll turn the call over to Shelby to provide some details on our financial and operating results. Shelby? Speaker 300:10:14Thank you, Ed, and good morning, everyone. I'll review our Q3 results in more detail and close with comments on our liquidity position. Please note, I will be providing comparative commentary versus the prior quarter Q2 2023. Total investment income was $34,200,000 for the 3 months ended September 30, a $3,600,000 increase from Q2, primarily due to a $3,700,000 increase in interest income, including PIK, offset by a slight decrease in dividend income. The increase in interest income was driven by an increase in average debt investment balances outstanding as well as an increase in the yield on our debt investments given increase in interest rates on variable rate loans. Speaker 300:10:55Total expenses, including income tax provision, were $17,500,000 for the 3rd quarter, $3,800,000 higher than Q2, driven primarily by a $2,700,000 increase in the accrued capital gains incentive fee, A $400,000 increase in interest expenses in part due to incremental SBA debt outstanding and a $700,000 increase in the base management and income incentive fees. We ended the quarter with $454,300,000 of debt outstanding comprised of $188,000,000 of SBA debentures, $250,000,000 of unsecured notes and $16,300,000 of secured borrowings. Our debt to equity ratio as of September 30 was 0.83 times or 0.49x statutory leverage excluding exempt SBA debentures. The weighted average interest rate on our outstanding debt was 4.3% as of September 30, 23. Net investment income or NII for the 3 months ended September 30 was $0.63 per share versus $0.67 per share in Q2. Speaker 300:11:56Adjusted NII, which excludes any capital gains incentive fee accruals or reversals attributable to realized and unrealized gains and losses on investments, With $0.68 per share in Q3 versus $0.62 per share in Q2. In Q3, we realized net gains of $9,800,000 primarily related to the exit of our equity investment in Hallmark Healthcare Solutions. Turning now to portfolio statistics as of September 30. Our total investment portfolio had a fair value of $926,900,000 Our average portfolio company investment on a cost basis Was $11,200,000 which excludes investments in 2 portfolio companies that have sold their operations and are in the process of winding down. We have equity investments in approximately 76.8 percent of our portfolio companies with average fully diluted equity ownership of 3.2%. Speaker 300:12:48Weighted average effective yield on debt investments was 14.6% as of September 30 versus 14.5% at June 30. The weighted average yield is computed using effective interest rates for debt investments at cost, including the accretion of original issue discount and loan origination fees, but excluding investments on nonaccrual, if any. Now I'd like to briefly discuss our available liquidity. In Q3, we issued 3,200,000 shares at an average share price of $19.54 raising net proceeds of approximately 61,500,000 As of September 30, our liquidity and capital resources included cash of $80,300,000 $22,000,000 of available SBA debentures $100,000,000 of availability on our line of credit, resulting in total liquidity of approximately 202,300,000 Now I'll turn the call back to Ed for concluding comments. Speaker 200:13:43Thanks, Shelby. As always, I'd like to thank our team and the Board of Directors at Fidus for their dedication and hard work and our shareholders for their continued support. I will now turn the call over to Nick for Q and A. Nick? Operator00:13:59Thank you. Now I'll begin the question and answer session. First question will be from Bryce Roe, B. Riley. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:14:25Thanks. Good morning. Speaker 200:14:26Good morning, Bryce. Speaker 400:14:30Ed, wanted to ask you guys or talk about the ATM usage. Obviously, nice to see the stock trade above NAV and give you the ability to raise some equity in the 3rd quarter, pretty substantial amount. Can you kind of delineate between the opportunistic being opportunistic with the stock above NAV And maybe just raising the equity in anticipation of some more activity, Whether it be in the Q4 or into the 1st part of 2024? Speaker 200:15:07Sure. It's a great question, Bryce. I think From my perspective, first off, I think we're very pleased with our overall performance and where the stock has been trading. But I think more importantly, what we're pleased with is the opportunities that we are seeing in the market. And in particular, these are mostly very high quality companies that we are pursuing. Speaker 200:15:36The leverage levels are very reasonable. Loan to values are 30% to 50% if you will. And so we think from a risk adjusted return basis, this is a great time to invest. And quite frankly, the companies that are coming The market from an M and A perspective are very high quality companies that we believe can withstand Any of the uncertainties that we're all fearful of. But We feel good about the opportunity set and obviously we feel also good about the fact that our stock has been trading well. Speaker 400:16:16Great. That's helpful. And then maybe another question here just on the dividend. Nice to see The bump higher in the dividend, at least the regular dividend, just curious how you're thinking about Possibly paying out the excess earnings over and above the base dividend amount. Do you expect To continue to pay out the full excess or will you moderate that a bit as we move into 2024? Speaker 400:16:48Thanks. Speaker 200:16:49Sure. Great question, Bryce. I think again, we're thrilled with the performance of the business. And as you know, we've had some very meaningful equity realizations over the last really several years. And so the earnings power of the business is at a higher level. Speaker 200:17:09And so we're very pleased to have raised the base dividend. Our current posture is to continue to pay out Our excess earnings as we are today. And so that would That's our current posture and that's our expectation as we move into 2024. Obviously, this quarter Q4 is the last quarter we intend on paying this extra $0.10 special, which we've been paying for the past 5 quarters including Q4 of this year, but we do intend on continuing to pay out 100% as Of our excess earnings in the prior period, as we move forward or move into 2024. Speaker 400:17:59That's great. Appreciate the commentary. Great quarter and I'll jump back in queue. Thanks. Speaker 200:18:04All right. Great. Thank you, Bryce. Good talking to you. Operator00:18:09Thank you. Next question will be from Mickey Schleien of Ladenburg. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:18:14Yes. Good morning, Ed and Shelby. I want to start with a high level question perhaps for Ed. In the upper middle market, we're starting to see spreads come Just as a function of the amount of private capital that's out there and the lack of M and A volume and we have a Supply and demand mismatch. Are you starting to see that trickle down into the middle market and lower middle market where You operate, Ed? Speaker 200:18:48Great question, Mickey. And the short answer to that is a little bit. I would say that spreads narrowed maybe 25 basis points and certain Situation is 50 over the last 6 months or so. I think there was a period 12 months ago, 9 months ago where There were certain lenders that were really not in the marketplace at all. Today, there appears to be More competition, it's not crazy at any level. Speaker 200:19:24People are being disciplined. But I do think for the high quality situations, which is what we're focused on, The spreads have narrowed a little bit here over the last 3 to 6 months. So very similar in nature. Speaker 500:19:38Okay. I appreciate that insight. Going back to the equity issuance question, I just want to Understand. Are you still expecting to operate the BDC somewhere between 0.8x and 1.1x On a debt on a total debt to equity basis? And is your current level, which is the bottom end of that range, Also factoring in some expectation about headwinds for the economy. Speaker 200:20:11Sure. Great question. I think your initial comment of 0.8 to 11 is a good one. It's where we have operated really has been 0.8 So one to 1, historically, we are comfortable going over 1 to 1 as opportunities arise. But There was an opportunity to raise capital here. Speaker 200:20:36We saw that Q4 was going to be active. We also believe 2024 will probably show up a little bit more active than 2023. There's just End of demand out there, and there's a need more of a need for actually transactions to take place. So We thought being prepared for that made a ton of sense. So I wouldn't say We were raising capital to position the business to withstand concerns about the economy. Speaker 200:21:10It was more To position the business to handle the opportunities that we think we're going to see here going forward. Speaker 500:21:20Okay, I understand. My last question is more a little bit more of a housekeeping question on interest income, which increased 13% quarter to quarter, but the debt portfolio cost actually declined 1% and your average Portfolio yields only increased 10 basis points. So the interest income growth seems high, unless I'm doing my math incorrectly. Was there anything Sort of non recurring and interest income accrued this quarter that we should be aware of? Speaker 200:21:52Sure. I'm going to let Shelby take that. Understand your question, but I'll let her take that. Speaker 300:21:58Okay. No, there were no kind of particularly unique items. With debt repayments, we will have acceleration of OID, but that's kind of routine in course with respect to repayments. Speaker 200:22:14We also had interest income from some of the cash on our balance sheet throughout part of it. Speaker 500:22:22Right. Speaker 200:22:23And I think the average loans outstanding were higher during the quarter than they were at quarter end, some of the repayments. Speaker 500:22:30Right. Yes. I was going Say it, it sounds like it has to do with the cadence of the investments that you made, right? Correct. Speaker 200:22:39That's correct. Speaker 500:22:41Okay. That's it for me this morning. Thank you for your time. Speaker 200:22:46Thank you. Appreciate it. Good talking to you, Mickey. Operator00:22:50Thank you. Next question will be from Robert Dodd of Raymond James. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:22:55Hi guys and congratulations On the quarter, another another year quarter. On the kind of at about Running the ATM because you're seeing more opportunities. Can you tell us about the I mean, you mentioned here that The quality of deals available, they were very high quality. If I look back last quarter, obviously, it varies about whether you're pursuing them or not. The last quarter, some of the available deals in the market you described as hit or miss. Speaker 600:23:29So have you seen A change in kind of the mix of deals that are coming to market that are higher quality, which then It justifies the running the ATM because if you can unless you win those deals, it's great for portfolio Quality overall. I mean, is there any mix going on at the moment, mix shift? Speaker 200:23:52No. Not really. What I would say is look, deal flow actually deal flow wasn't bad by any stretch of imagination In Q3, quality has been hit or miss all year though is what I would say. So That's a big piece of the puzzle. And then in terms of our investment activity In Q3, we had a couple of deals spill over into Q4. Speaker 200:24:24And again, we think Q4 will be a Stronger investment period than Q3, partly because of that and also just the pickup in activity. From a type of business or mix that we're seeing, it's really largely across the board. Where we're spending time are those companies that have recurring or reoccurring revenues. So it's Pretty strong stability, backgrounds, if you will, and so that and high free cash flows. And so those are the types of businesses that we are focused on and we are seeing a little bit of an uptick, but some of that's just Q4 versus Q3 where the summer slows things down a little bit. Speaker 200:25:14But we are hopeful the next year will be And kind of anticipate a little bit of a pickup in M and A activity in 2024. Speaker 600:25:27Got it. Got it. Thank you. And then just on where and obviously credit quality across the portfolio looks fine, But more than 5, where one of the reactions and I'm actually going to the board, in terms of Sponsor interactions, I mean, is anything changing on that front given now we've been in a High rate environment for a relatively prolonged period now. Are they starting to change how they're looking at Supporting portfolio companies or is everything just business as usual? Speaker 200:26:08I'm not seeing really any noticeable change. I mean, We've seen some support and tougher situations that we have where to go through an amendment we're requiring support. We have a portfolio that's very active from an add on acquisition perspective and folks are doing that. I am what I'm seeing and what we're seeing is a firm is a pretty high level of or a pretty high Interest in trying to define high quality companies recognizing The rates are higher and maybe quite frankly in some cases private equity groups are paying a little more than they would like to. But for A assets, I think that's where is a flight to quality from an equity perspective And from a debt perspective. Speaker 200:27:02And if people can locate and get an opportunity to invest in a very high quality A type business, Then folks are willing to still pay up for them quite frankly. And you're seeing that Speaker 600:27:15in some Speaker 200:27:15of the realizations that we have as well. Speaker 600:27:20Got it. I appreciate that. Thank you. Speaker 200:27:23Thank you, Robert. Good talking to you. Operator00:27:26Thank you. Next question will be from Paul Johnson of KBW. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:27:37Yes, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. On the Hallmark, just going back to the Hallmark Health Gaze sale, I'm just trying to understand kind of, obviously, that was a successful exit for you guys, just kind of understanding what's going on there with the It looks like you have just a little bit of an equity investment left in the portfolio. Just any color you can kind of on what perpetuated I guess the sale and What do you guys have left remaining in the portfolio with that company? Speaker 200:28:10Sure. Great question, Paul. Paul, this Omar has been a great performer for us. We actually the company was and the sponsor was evaluating A couple of things. One was more of a dividend recap or a sale transaction. Speaker 200:28:28And quite frankly, we weren't In the no as much as maybe we would have even liked. But it so Sale transaction transpired. It was documented legally as a full sale of the whole Equity tranche, having said that, the sponsor is rolling over a significant portion, Not up to 50%, less than 50%, but a significant portion of their investment and we Followed that lead and so we also invested the same percentage In the business on a go forward basis. So it was a full realization, but we invested a significant Amount and the go forward capitalization of the business. Is that helpful? Speaker 700:29:26Yes, this is very helpful. Thanks for that. It's great color. And obviously, you guys recognize the gain on the sale, but was that investment also written up During the quarter, are you able to quantify that at all? Impacting that. Speaker 200:29:40Shelby, do you have that at your fingertips or I'll give a higher level? Speaker 300:29:48I don't have the exact number, but Station that we had in Q3 was materially higher than the fair value we had it marked out at the end of Q2. Speaker 700:29:59Right. Okay. Great. That's what I'll say. Okay. Speaker 700:30:02Thanks for that. And then, so last quarter you just kind of gave, I think it was It's an approximation of, I think you said 55 percent or so of your companies were still growing EBITDA last quarter. Are you able to provide any kind of similar approximation of the percent of your portfolio that you Still see growing revenues or EBITDA at this point? Speaker 200:30:30Sure, sure. It's a great question. Yes. The portfolio continues to perform well. I think of the core lower middle market Businesses that were invested in, EBITDA, I guess, what's the number, 35 of 56 companies that fall in that category, and we also have some equity standalone Businesses or orphaned equity investments that are not included there. Speaker 200:31:03And so about 63% of the companies grew Cash flows or EBITDA. And then overall, our portfolio grew on an LTM basis this Quarter just less than 5%. So we're seeing still healthy performance and healthy growth And the underlying portfolio, which we're very pleased with. Speaker 700:31:28Thanks for that. That's very helpful. And then last one at this point, Obviously, dollars 0.68 was very strong results this quarter. I'm just curious, at this point, do you kind of see this as sort of The full flow through, if you will, of higher rates at this point, at least From an NII perspective in the portfolio or is there a possibility of I guess, higher OID amortization, that's where I think these, from the payments and such to continue, I guess, generating Results around these levels are possibly even higher. Any kind of color there would be would also be helpful. Speaker 700:32:19That's all for me. Thanks. Speaker 200:32:21Sure. It's a great question. One that's not that easy to answer. But I think we are obviously, we're very pleased with the performance this quarter. This next quarter, I do want to highlight we will have excise expense, so that will impact NII in Q4, and which is relevant. Speaker 200:32:50I do think interest Income, so on the revenue side, it's at a pretty high level. At this point, I don't see that Rate going higher, obviously the Fed stayed put and I actually see a couple higher yielding investments in portfolio that will probably repay. And so I see stability there from a yield perspective. But at the same time and I do think there'll be continued monetization of Certain equity investments, it's not going to be like 2021 where there was just a very robust amount of M and A activity. But M and A is still Transpiring and we expect equity investments to still monetize if you will. Speaker 200:33:42And so we think the outlook is very good as we move forward. Exactly where we end up, do we go above 68? It's clearly possible. It has to do with a lot of things getting more invested. Our fee income at a reasonable level that quarter or not? Speaker 200:34:02Are there any dividends? All those things You got to take into account a little bit. But obviously, dollars 0.68 is a great quarter, and we would We're going to strive to do better, but at the same time we're focused on portfolio quality and consistency as opposed to just driving the highest earnings we Can. So, hopefully that's helpful. But Q4 will be impacted and I think that's relevant. Speaker 200:34:31Shelby, do you have anything to add to that? Speaker 300:34:35No, you mentioned the excise tax. So that's just kind of an annual accrual that we have, which we'll continue to have this year. Speaker 700:34:45Got it. Thanks guys. Appreciate the answers and congratulations on a great quarter. Speaker 200:34:50Thanks Paul. Good talking to you. Operator00:34:54Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the call back over to Mr. Ed Ross for closing remarks. Speaker 200:35:02Thank you, Nick, and thank you everyone for joining us this morning. We look forward to speaking with you on our Q4 call in early March 2024. Have a great day and a great weekend. Operator00:35:15The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by