SentinelOne Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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December 5, 2023

There are 17 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good afternoon.

Speaker 1

Thank you for attending the SentinelOne Q3 FY2024 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Victoria, and I'll be your moderator today. All lines will be muted during the presentation portion of the call with an opportunity for questions and answers at the end. I would now like to pass the conference over to your host, Doug Clark, Vice President, Investor Relations. Thank you.

Speaker 1

You may proceed, Doug.

Speaker 2

Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to SentinelOne's earnings call for the Q3 of fiscal year 'twenty four ended October 31. With us today are Toma Weingarten, CEO and Dave Bernhardt, CFO. A press release and a shareholder letter were issued earlier today and are posted on the Investor Relations This call is being broadcast live via webcast and an audio replay will be available on our website after the call concludes. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that during today's call, we'll be making forward looking statements about future events and financial performance, including our guidance for the 4th fiscal quarter and our full fiscal year 'twenty four as well as long term financial targets. We caution you that such statements reflect our best judgment based on factors currently known to us and that our actual events or results could differ materially.

Speaker 2

Please refer to the documents we file from time to time with the SEC, in particular, our annual report on Form 10 ks and our quarterly reports on Form 10 Q. These documents contain and identify important risk factors and other information that may cause our actual results to differ materially from those contained in our forward looking statements. Any forward looking statements made during this call are being made as of today. If this call is replayed or reviewed after today, the information presented during the call may not Except as required by law, we assume no obligation to update these forward looking statements publicly or to update the reasons actual results could differ materially from those anticipated in the forward looking statements, even if new information becomes available in the future. During this call, we will discuss non GAAP financial measures unless otherwise stated.

Speaker 2

These non GAAP financial measures are not prepared in accordance A reconciliation of the GAAP and non GAAP results is provided in today's press release and in our shareholder letter. These non GAAP measures are not intended to be a substitute for our GAAP results. Our financial outlook excludes stock based compensation expense, Employer payroll tax on employee stock transactions, amortization expense of acquired intangible assets, acquisition related compensation costs, Restructuring charges and gain on strategic investments, which cannot be determined at this time and are therefore not reconciled in today's press release. And with that, let me turn the call over to Tomer Weingarten, CEO of SentinelOne.

Speaker 3

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining our fiscal Q3 earnings We delivered strong 3rd quarter results, which exceeded our expectations in all key metrics and once again we're raising both our Top line and bottom line guidance for fiscal year 2024. This was another quarter of solid execution in a demanding macro environment. Enterprises continue to modernize their endpoint security with the Singularity platform. In addition, we're seeing strong demand for our cloud security and data lake solutions, which combined grew triple digits. And I'm pleased to announce that we've begun delivering Purple dotai to enterprises.

Speaker 3

We also solidified our lead with mid market enterprises and expanded our business with leading MSP partners to larger and longer term commitments. Finally, we continued making significant progress towards profitability with our net income margin improving to negative 5%. Our pace of innovation and technology leadership continued to fuel growth. For the 4th consecutive year, Central One led the MITRE ATT and CK evaluation With 100% real time protection driven by autonomous security, which is critical in the modern threat landscape. In Gartner Peer Insights, We received a score of 4.8 out of 5 for outstanding customer experience and product capabilities.

Speaker 3

We're leading the industry with breakthrough innovations across endpoint, Cloud data and AI delivering a fully unified platform experience to organizations once again setting Central One far apart from other security vendors. We're addressing critical enterprise security needs remaining ahead of adversaries now and into the future. As always, please read our shareholder letter published on the Investor Relations Which provides a lot more detail. On today's call, I'll cover 3 key areas: 1, details of our strong quarterly performance 2, the broader demand environment and state of cybersecurity. 3, innovations that magnify our technology leadership and drive future growth across multiple markets.

Speaker 3

Let's double click into our 3rd quarter performance, which exceeded our top and bottom line expectations. Revenue grew 42% In total ARR grew 43% year over year. Net new ARR growth accelerated to 11% year over year, driven by a combination of new customers and existing customer expansion. Despite persistent macro challenges and escalation of geopolitical tensions, The combination of superior technology and solid execution is driving positive business momentum. Our progress towards profitability remains a bright spot.

Speaker 3

We delivered a record high gross margin of 79% and we posted a 9th consecutive quarter of more than 25 points of operating margin expansion. In parallel, our free cash flow margin improved by 40 percentage points year over year and our net income margin approached only negative 5%. This tremendous progress reflects the scalability and power of our business model. We remain committed to building on this progress and achieving positive free cash flow in the second half of next fiscal year. We're succeeding in the endpoint market from large enterprises to mid market and smaller businesses We're already a proven leader through our MSSB partnerships.

Speaker 3

Beyond endpoint, the momentum of our platform expansion into adjacent markets is picking up. Our total customer base now exceeds 11,500. Recall, this number is dramatically understated as it does not include the customers served by our MSSP partners. We're increasingly protecting more customers through this channel as enterprises are turning to MSPs for managed security services, which is a highly scalable way to address the mid market. At the same time, customers with more than $100,000 in ARR grew 33% And customers with more than $1,000,000 of ARR grew even faster.

Speaker 3

Our success with large enterprises and platform adoption continues to drive Higher ARR per customer, which increased about 15% year over year. In Q3, we generated strong momentum in the federal arena We secured several new agencies. Similarly, many large enterprises across global healthcare providers, technology pioneers and multinational corporations Continue to choose the Singularity platform. These engagements include multiple aspects of the Singularity platform such as endpoint cloud identity and our data lake. In Q3, Singularity Cloud and Singularity Data Lake were our fastest growing solutions.

Speaker 3

Combined, they represented over 20% of quarterly bookings And grew triple digits. We've seen a notable uptick in demand for our unified Singularity Data Lake solution. This illustrates the growing diversity of our business In our expanding platform horizon, Singularity Cloud and Data Lake are so much more than Edel modules. These are highly differentiated and enterprise critical technologies with massive TAMs and long term growth opportunities. Our dollar based net retention rate remained north of 150% As our existing customer base continues to deploy additional platform technologies, we see significant long term potential based on high customer retention and satisfaction, Expanding product categories and early stage adoption from our installed base.

Speaker 3

Onto our partner ecosystem. We achieved another quarter of standout growth with our MSSP partners in Q3 and our momentum in mid market enterprises remains strong. MSSPs represent the fastest growing channel category in the security market and the preeminent way to protect SMBs. Our platform architecture is purpose built to help service providers manage security at scale and drive meaningful growth. Multi tenancy, automation and remote management makes Singularity the platform of choice for MSPs.

Speaker 3

In Q3, we continued to solidify our leadership position with MSPs. On the competitive front, we continue to win a significant majority We have a competitive evaluation against both next gen and legacy endpoint providers. When you look beyond endpoint security, the competitive landscape tilts further in favor of SentinelOne. Our unified data and security platform architecture helps enterprises consolidate spend, point product and consoles Resulting in better value efficiency and user experience. Disjointed platforms do not result in better protection.

Speaker 3

Bigger brands do not mean better security. As proven by the string of massive breaches, these solutions are frequently breached. Just think about the many high profile cyber attacks in the last few months and the shortcomings should be obvious. We introduced a novel approach that yields real time superior protection And the adoption of AI based technologies, digital infrastructures are rapidly evolving. More important now than ever before, Our unified security data lake architecture enables organizations to move at the pace of AI while also modernizing enterprise wide visibility and protection.

Speaker 3

In many cases, our competitors can't even offer cloud security or security data link. We have distinct technology advantages in these areas, Including resource efficient workload protection and an actual unified data architecture capable of ingesting enterprise wide data. We are engaging with enterprises in winning deals with Singularity Cloud and Data Lake regardless of the installed endpoint vendor, Helping enterprises manage complete security data at scale with better cost and performance is a strategic conversation that is different from focusing on point solutions. Over time, we believe these opportunities will open the doors for further consolidation with the Singularity platform, resulting in greater platform adoption. Let me highlight 2 examples.

Speaker 3

1st, after 15 years of using Splunk, a large enterprise replaced it with Singularity Data Lake Alongside our endpoint and cloud security, after consolidating multiple security needs on the Singularity platform, this enterprise has also deployed Purple dotai To get a fully integrated autonomous experience, like many others, the customer valued Central One's unified platform that fuses security data and actions, future proofing their enterprise security posture. 2nd, among many federal wins in the quarter, one of the agencies similarly selected want to consolidate security across endpoint cloud and data. This federal agency completely replaced the legacy SIEM solution with Singularity Data Lake, Showcasing that SIEM is the past and Singularity Data Lake is the future. Our competitive wins demonstrate how AI based The demand environment remains relatively consistent with last quarter. From a macro perspective, global economic challenges persist And are further typified by rising geopolitical tensions, yet the threat landscape remains unrelenting.

Speaker 3

The velocity and complexity of attacks have dramatically increased. As an example, dwell times have shrunk from months to days, presenting new challenges for corporate defenses and putting more emphasis on the need for real time protection. A slew of recent high profile breaches showcase the enormous consequences for enterprises. A single attack can cost 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars, Lost business and disrupted operations. Events like these are constant reminders of why cybersecurity must be the top priority for CIOs around the world.

Speaker 3

The most unnerving part of these attacks is that they continue to circumvent so called large platform vendors. Time and again, point product and endless Vectors of attack are forever evolving, a constant moving target in the edge of AI. Cyber warfare Has also taken a new turn towards online disinformation and manipulation. Geopolitical tensions are spilling into cyberspace, Destabilizing and undermining normal business operations and even parts of society. At Central One, we're ushering a new age of endcapar security, One that can outpace the threat landscape by taking a holistic approach to managing risk through AI based real time operations.

Speaker 3

Beyond security software, there is a clear need to assess, quantify and articulate risk from security executives to the CEO and Board of Directors. A shift in risk management is needed to prepare and protect against fast acting complex cyber attacks. In Q3, we launched PinnacleOne, a strategic advisory practice to help enterprises and governments build world class cybersecurity programs. I'm thrilled to have Chris Krebs and Alex Stamos join CentralONE. Both are renowned industry experts who lead with integrity.

Speaker 3

Combining their talent and Central One's technology leadership makes PinnacleOne a highly valuable and unique resource to enterprises and governments across the world. Pinnacle 1 will help management teams and boards understand who the attackers are, what they're after and how to fortify their security framework Beyond just deploying any single product, this will also help public and corporate leaders to better assess cyber risk and liabilities, they can develop effective strategies and mitigate potential impacts. Let me also share an update on our leading innovations across multiple growth areas. We recently hosted our 1st customer and partner conference and showcased our commitment to 4 key areas: data and AI, cloud and as always endpoint. As I've said before, cybersecurity is a data problem.

Speaker 3

We are the 1st company to introduce a fully unified data and security platform. Legacy SIEM solutions are falling behind and security vendors are clamoring to keep up. Central 1's unified data and platform delivers cost efficiency and high performance at scale. In Q3, we secured large data deals, which reinforces the demand from large enterprises looking to modernize away from legacy SIEM solutions. Recent news of the leading SIEM vendor being acquired is further boosting enterprise interest in our Singularity data link.

Speaker 3

We're taking Singularity to the next level through AI. We're disrupting the SIEM and security markets By fusing Purple dotai with our unified data, Purple dotai is fully integrated across the entire Singularity platform and user interface. It enhances investigations, Simplifies threat hunting, makes recommendations and automates actions. In essence, it supercharges every SOC And data analysts unlocking efficiency and accelerating response times. As I mentioned earlier, we've already started selling Purple dotai to select customers.

Speaker 3

We expect general availability in Q1 of next year. The combination of unified data and Purple dotai Puts us in a strong position to deliver enterprise wide security and disrupt the legacy data analytics market. Next, We're expanding our cloud security offerings. We are already leading in cloud workload protection and cloud data security. In the coming year, Singularity Cloud will become a full featured CNAB with agent based and agentless capabilities.

Speaker 3

We'll have more to share in the next couple of quarters. And as always, we will continue to maintain our technology leadership and endpoint. We achieved the 4th consecutive year of leadership In the MITRE Ingenuity attack evaluation, our approach to this year's MITRE evaluation reflects our philosophy and protection that speed and autonomous security are critical. Unlike most participants in this test, you will see 0 delays or configuration modifiers in Sentinel-1 results. In contrast, our closest next gen competitor had over 20 delays and configuration changes.

Speaker 3

Achieving 100% detection and protection without any do overs It's the difference between a simulation and the

Speaker 4

real world.

Speaker 3

Attackers don't offer extra time or a chance to make configuration changes. Singularity is built to be real time AI driven and autonomous, critical to combat against modern threats. Before concluding my remarks, I'd like to mention some exciting updates. We've made some terrific additions to our leadership team that bring unrivaled industry expertise. Michael Kremin joined CenterOne in November as our new Chief Revenue Officer.

Speaker 3

Michael joins us as CRO from Elastic, where he was instrumental in scaling the business to $1,000,000,000 and beyond. His experience unites security and data in a way that ideally matches our mission. This transition has been thoughtfully planned over the past several quarters. I want to thank and congratulate Mark Perinello, our former CRO, For his contributions and well deserved retirement, Mark will remain at SentinelOne until the end of this fiscal year to ensure smooth transition. As I mentioned earlier, I'm also excited to welcome Chris Krebs and Alex Stamos to the SentinelOne team.

Speaker 3

They are renowned for their cybersecurity thought leadership With deep experience across both public and private sector, including Homeland Security, CISA and global tech giants like Facebook and others. In closing, our technology and talent are stronger than ever, leading to another quarter of outperformance. Together, we remain focused on the long term And maximizing our business potential. Most importantly, we're focused on helping enterprises advance their infrastructure and security Now and for the future, I want to thank all Sentinels as well as our valued customers, partners and shareholders. With that, I will turn the call over to Dave Bernhardt, our Chief Financial Officer.

Speaker 5

Thank you, Tomer. This afternoon, I'll discuss our quarterly performance and provide additional context around our guidance for Q4 and fiscal year 'twenty four. As a reminder, all comparisons are year over year and all margins discussed are non GAAP unless otherwise noted. Our 3rd quarter results exceeded our expectations across the board. We delivered high top line growth and substantial margin expansion.

Speaker 5

Revenue grew 42 percent to $164,000,000 and ARR grew 43 percent to $664,000,000 reflecting a net new ARR of $52,000,000 in the quarter. Our net new ARR exceeded our typical Q3 seasonality and accelerated to 11% year over year growth. Our growth has accelerated despite persistent macro challenges. We delivered strength across all geographies. Revenue from international markets grew 46% and represented 37% of revenue.

Speaker 5

Q3 revenue also benefited from Stronger contribution of our professional services driven by elevated breach activity across legacy and competing platforms. As Tomer mentioned, deploying software alone doesn't solve This is why we acquired KSG and launched expert advisory practice PinnacleOne. We continue to drive a healthy mix of new And existing customer expansion across businesses of all sizes. Our ARR per customer rose 15% year over year to approximately $60,000 per customer. In addition, our momentum with MSSP Partners and by extension SMBs was particularly strong as it continues to fuel a solid base of long term growth.

Speaker 5

We continue to take market share from incumbents and next gen vendors and our Q3 performance signifies our strong competitive And enterprise demand for SentinelOne's best in class cybersecurity. Looking beyond top line growth, our progress towards profitability remains a bright spot, in our long term target range of 75% to 80% or higher. This important achievement reflects the benefit of our increasing scale and platform unit economics. Our margin improvement is indicative of healthy pricing and the value and innovation we deliver to customers. It also demonstrates the success of our land and expand strategy.

Speaker 5

Our unified security and data architecture in a single platform is delivering meaningful value for SentinelOne as well as our customers. Q3 marked our 9th consecutive quarter of more than 25 percentage points of year over year operating margin expansion. Our increasing scale and cost discipline are driving substantial operating margin improvement. Q3 operating margin expanded 32 percentage points to negative 11%. And we're not just improving our margins.

Speaker 5

We've also significantly reduced our operating losses by more than 60% to negative $18,000,000 in Q3 from negative $50,000,000 in the year ago quarter. Similarly, we improved our free cash outflow by about 60%. This is tremendous progress. It reflects the continuing success of our proactive efforts to enhance working capital and thoughtfully manage our costs. We are committed to building on this progress and achieving positive free cash flow in the second half of our next fiscal year.

Speaker 5

Moving to our guidance for Q4 and the full fiscal year 2024. The demand environment remains consistent with the trends we discussed last quarter. Indeed, customers are still facing higher costs of capital and additional approval layers. These dynamics can impact visibility into the timing or size of potential deals. It's prudent to be mindful of these dynamics as we enter Q4, our seasonally largest quarter of the year.

Speaker 5

Despite operating in a challenging macro We're raising our revenue and margin expectations for fiscal year 'twenty four. Our teams are executing well, our win rates remain strong and we are delivering operating leverage. In Q4, we expect revenue of about $169,000,000 reflecting growth of 34% year over year. For the full year, we expect revenue of about $616,000,000 reflecting growth of 46% in fiscal year 2024. This is an $11,000,000 increase compared to the prior outlook of $605,000,000 above and beyond our Q3 beat.

Speaker 5

Based on this view, we're on track to deliver about $200,000,000 in net new ARR for the year, up from our prior expectation of $195,000,000 Based on our go to market momentum and strong competitive position, We feel confident in our ability to deliver against these higher full year growth targets. Importantly, we're seeing durability in our new business generation and the trajectory of growth rates. Beyond endpoint security, we're encouraged by increasing platform adoption of our adjacent solutions like cloud, data, Identity and AI to drive diverse growth opportunities for years to come. Turning to the outlook for margins. We expect a Q4 gross margin of about 77.5 percent implying a year over year increase of about 2.5 percentage points.

Speaker 5

On a constant currency basis, we expect our Q4 gross margin to be relatively consistent with Q3. Also for the full year, we are raising our gross margin guidance to 77%, up about 5 percentage points year over year and up 100 basis points when compared to our prior guide of 76%. We expect continued benefits from increasing scale and data efficiencies inherent in our business model. Finally, we expect operating margin to be negative 14% in Q4, implying an improvement of 23 percentage points year over year and is stronger than our prior expectation. For the full year, we are raising our guidance for operating margin to about negative 20%, up 5% compared to our prior annual guide of negative 25%.

Speaker 5

This implies a significant improvement of more than 29 percentage points compared to fiscal year 2023. We expect Q4 free cash flow margin to improve sequentially based on the seasonality of cash collections and payments and our improved operating margin outlook. We have a very strong balance sheet with $1,100,000,000 in cash, cash equivalents and investments and 0 debt. This provides durability and flexibility to optimize top line growth and margin improvement. We are delivering industry leading margin improvement and moving closer to achieving positive free cash flow generation.

Speaker 5

As I've said before, we'll continue to grow market share and capitalize on large Tams with Disruptive Technologies. Our investment approach remains selective and focused on key areas of competitive strength, notably data, AI, Cloud and as always endpoint. This is evident by our strong top line growth and industry leading margin improvement. Thank you all for joining us today. We will now take questions.

Speaker 5

Operator, please open up the line.

Operator

Thank you. We'll pause here briefly as questions are registered. Our first question comes from the line of Joshua Tilton with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hey guys, thanks for taking my questions and congrats on a pretty solid quarter. Kind of just clarifications here, but customer additions came in a bit lower than we were expecting. Anything to highlight there? And just you called out offering a broader CNAV platform in the next 12 months. Is that going to be developed in house?

Speaker 6

Or are you guys looking to make some acquisitions in that space?

Speaker 4

The customer count is rounded down, but moreover, I think the amount of additions that we see To our Mississippi channel is very significant and that spends midsize enterprises all the way to SMBs. To us, I mean, it was a very strong quarter of customer additions. Moreover, the ARR per customer is obviously something that we optimize and we invest in. And that obviously has another impact on the total customer count. Having seen our ARR go up Per customer, 15% year over year.

Speaker 4

Obviously, that's the exact trajectory that we want to see. So all of that kind of goes into the customer count. But all in all, Very healthy, kind of net new quarter for us. As for SINAAP, I think we've been focused On developing internally for quite a few quarters, we already have, I think, a large subset of capabilities already available in the market. With that, we always kind of look out there to see if there's any interesting technologies.

Speaker 4

We never preclude an acquisition. But with that, we're very disciplined, I think it's how we approach acquisitions, especially these days. But all in all, I think we're feeling more and more confident about our ability To provide a full CNA portfolio in the near future.

Speaker 6

Super helpful guys. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Essex with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hi, good afternoon. Thank you for taking the question and great to see the margin expansion. It's Really nice to see. I guess, Tomer, just one question for you. Really interesting development with PinnacleOne.

Speaker 7

Could you maybe unpack a little bit what your intentions are with that part of the business? Is this going to be more of a Lead gen innovation type consulting business or is it more incident response and how might that impact How might we expect that to impact revenue and margins going forward?

Speaker 4

Absolutely. Definitely not an incident response Firm, we actually have already, insurance capabilities within vigilance. We've had

Speaker 8

them for

Speaker 4

about 3 years now. When we look at Pinnacle 1, if you kind of look at what's happening in the Perth landscape for the past couple of years, we've seen an incredible shift, I think in attack methodologies. And we've also seen, I think, just the failure Of the product methodology. People obviously have security products, yet they're still getting breached. And what we're seeing more and more is not only the shift in liability To the Board room, to the CEO, to the executive level, but also the need to actually come up with a security strategy to assess Risk and to understand risk, quantify it and convey it in a much better way.

Speaker 4

PinnacleOne comes to address exactly that. It's a highly strategic advisory service, again, with some of the best minds in cybersecurity that comes to help our customers and new prospects Design their security posture, regardless of the product, obviously, this is completely vendor neutral. Obviously, if you couple that with our technology leadership, You couple that with the level of threat intelligence that we see and overall geopolitical mapping that we do, you get into a very unique service, I think in the entire landscape and one that should provide for ample risk reduction for customers out there Above and beyond the products that they deploy.

Speaker 9

Got it.

Speaker 7

And maybe I don't know if Dave could expand The size of that business and margin impact given that it's more kind of a headcount focused business?

Speaker 5

Yes. For Q4, I mean, it's essentially immaterial. I think it's Under $1,000,000 of total impact to the quarter. So really no effect on revenue or margins for the current quarter. For next year, we're obviously working on the plan for next year and we'll give you guys more visibility on that when we announce Q4 earnings.

Speaker 7

Got it. That's helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Saket Kalia with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Okay, great. Tomer, hey Dave, thanks for taking my questions here. Nicely done. Tomer, maybe for you, I just want to dig into the competitive environment a little bit in endpoint, not the usual suspects, but I think there's some public reports out there That Carbon Black may change hands again, may not stay with VMware as part of that sort of broader deal. Maybe the question for you is, Can you just talk about them a little bit as a competitor and whether you think that could be a significant share gain opportunity for SentinelOne?

Speaker 4

Sure. Yes, I don't put a lot of stock in rumors, as you can imagine. But at the same time, It's definitely been one of the most preeminent share donors out there for the past couple of years. I think the technology is largely stagnated and we've seen a pretty decent amount of carbon black displacements throughout the last couple of years. With that, I think the size of the business is not so material, so it can really Change or impact things in the import market in a significant way.

Speaker 4

But with that, again, it's a relatively Easy target for displacement, carbon back was mainly on the EDR side, while most prominent vendors Right now, an endpoint actually cover both endpoint protection and EDR. Most customers are looking for one solution, one platform To cover both aspects, so that doesn't bode well for Carbon Black, period. So I don't know where they're finally going to find a place or not, I feel it's relatively incremental.

Speaker 10

Got it. That's helpful. Dave, maybe for my follow-up for Echo the prior comments, just great to see the continued improvement in operating loss. Can you just maybe talk about The restructuring program that we implemented earlier this year and whether we've seen most of the benefits of that yet, Whether there's still some more benefit to come, how do you think about that sort of restructuring having played into this improvement and how much more is left?

Speaker 5

Thanks, Sagat. The impact of the restructuring, it's been included in our annual and quarterly guidance since we announced it in Q1. So no real incremental pickup from that. With that being said, we're continuing to analyze the yield from our expense investments for growth and expanding market share. You see this evident in our continued operating margin expansion.

Speaker 5

I think we're 9 straight quarters of 25% or more year over year improvement. And our Q3 results Show margin improvement well and above any benefit we would have gotten from restructuring. So we implemented that. We operated Essentially fully, I think on June 1 and we've been off and running from that point on.

Speaker 3

Makes sense. Thanks guys.

Speaker 5

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Hamzah Fodderwala with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Thank you for taking my question and good evening. Tomer, you talked a lot about Singularity Data Lake in your prepared remarks. I was wondering if you could maybe just rough sense, help us For a size that business and what you're seeing in terms of the opportunity for Same replacements in light of recent M and A in the space. Thank you.

Speaker 4

Sure. We don't disclose obviously the exact size of the business. It grew more than triple digit on a stand alone basis. It's definitely one of our fastest growing modules right now. It's a complete product line.

Speaker 4

It consists of really pricing by data ingestion. So it's a very different motion than the seat based motion that we see In endpoint, the TAM, the original TAM for security analytics is about $20,000,000,000 If you bundle that with data analytics, it becomes about $40,000,000,000 of a target opportunity. The dominant vendors in that market, you mentioned that competitor getting acquired and a bunch of others. These are technologies that have been developed probably about 15 years ago. So if you can kind of think today about the data scale that most enterprises need Deal with, obviously, it calls for something new.

Speaker 4

If we can, with Singularity Data Lake, provide something to customers that is Twice the speed and half the cost, obviously, that's a very palatable offering for them. And obviously, if you couple that with unique capabilities like Generative AI, Purple AI on top of an enterprise wide data lake, then you start to realize that you get compounded value By switching into an all inclusive platform that is not focused just on endpoint and maybe some generative AI and chatbots for endpoint, But really a broad based capability where you can ingest any type of data, both structured and unstructured, No need to index, up and running in minutes. This is a revolution in data analytics, and that's why we believe that the disruption For the SIEM market, for security analytics, is really impending. We foresee in the next 24 months or so major shift In that market, and it's not about replacing the SIEM, it's about coming with a whole new offering, with a modernized platform They can do much beyond the SIEM was ever designed to do, and that's why we're incredibly excited by that opportunity.

Speaker 11

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Alex Henderson with Needham. Please go ahead.

Speaker 12

Great, thanks. Actually, I want to do 2 follow-up questions to questions that were already asked. The first one being on the data lake structure. So it's pretty clear that you guys get a lot of telemetry data off of your endpoints. But if I think about The merger between Splunk and Cisco, their primary value there is adding not just the Traditional SIEM data, but adding it to the data networking content and telemetry information That historically has been in titration and the like, as well as the observability functionality that's been in AppDynamics.

Speaker 12

So I guess the question is to what extent you need to reach out to third parties to add Some of those type of incremental data to your data lake to get beyond just indications of attack and indications of compromise that are captured in the initial data lake architecture.

Speaker 4

Yes. Look, our data lake is built on being totally open, and that is the key to all of it. We don't lean on any one specific vendor. Actually, in many cases and even with deals that we've done last quarter, we ingest data even when we're not the endpoint provider. So to us, it's really about being fully open and having the ability to ingest data directly from a network provider, from the e mail provider, from an authentication provider, much like Slark.

Speaker 4

Clon did not own any one of these assets. They were leaning on integration into their platform. We do it with OCSF. It's a complete open format. We're one of the founding members in that alliance.

Speaker 4

And that allows us complete flexibility in ingesting data from any ecosystem product that you have In your enterprise, with that said, typically within a classic SIEM environment, 60% to 70% of the data that you find in the SIEM is actually generated from EDR product. I've been saying that for years, which was really one of the reasons Why we thought it makes a whole lot of sense to actually start embedding the other components in Enterprise into that same data like infusing it With the endpoint data, moreover, we're not talking just about threat indicators. We're talking about fully fledged Log analytics, what we ingest into data lake is all pieces of data, not just curated threat indicators, But any log line, any event can be ingested. I think that's one of the keys in an era where keeping logs becomes this Requirement that is becoming more and more important, keeping logs for longer. If you need to retain your logs for a year worth of time, I'm doing it with any one of these incumbent platforms is going to be a highly cost prohibitive practice.

Speaker 4

That's why when we look at the potential for security data lake, It's not XDR. It's not a SIEM. It's built to be a vast petabyte scale log ingestion mechanism to put all logs. We don't discriminate logs. We want all of them in, and that's what we believe can also allow for better AI utilization.

Speaker 4

Once you're able to feed all that data and expose it to AI algorithms, you'll be able to get to much more accurate results Versus just putting threat events into these different data stores.

Speaker 12

If I could just throw one last question, And it's really a play off of what has already been said. Sun, the Pinnacle 1 Opportunity, it strikes me that this is very much like the managed services environment where once you have a customer In that pipeline and working with PinnacleOne, ultimately that generates significant potential Downstream revenues after the fact, is it reasonable to think that for every dollar of PinnacleOne revenue that there is $5 or 6 dollars worth of ARR that will accrue from it in the following periods?

Speaker 4

We definitely hope so, Even though, look, our own start just to help customers. And obviously, the KSG Group comes with their own customer base. Obviously, to us, it's about putting the best security consulting business that we In that advice in the hands of customers, whether that results in further revenue and more product sales, Perhaps. Obviously, we hope so. But to us, we just feel like there is a dire need and a big gap in actually designing security Beyond just deploying sporadic products into environments, and that's what we're trying to solve here.

Speaker 4

So it's customers first. And then, yes, if you can help with technology, obviously, that will fuel into that.

Speaker 12

Great. Thanks for answering my questions.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Paul Liani with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Hi, guys. I've been asking the same question as all the other security names and it looks like it's Throughout the industry, we're seeing it. But if I look at the sequential trends of billings, in 2022, it was up 54% In 4Q 2022, 4Q 2023 up 42%, 43% and now it's only up 2%. Can you discuss why is billing on a sequential basis? We don't see the same seasonality that we're seeing.

Speaker 9

And again, this is industry wide. Does it mean that contract duration is going down? Does it mean that pricing is going down? What are the implications for the business? Thanks.

Speaker 5

Thanks, Tal. Billings grew 2% quarter over quarter, but they were up 33% year over year. The quarterly billings can vary based on customer mix, especially with MSSP. So we focus on ARR and is a better metric. Just from an overall contract standpoint, the average contract duration is up, but we're seeing less frequent upfront payments, which The entire industry is saying we're not in a $0 or 0 percent interest environment and that obviously impacts customers' willingness to put Full year upfront or multi years upfront for larger enterprise customers.

Speaker 5

So that dynamic has changed really over the past year. But with MSSPs, we see a lot of monthly and quarterly payments. So that's always going to be the dynamic with us.

Speaker 9

Got it. And is there any difference in linearity of deal flow during the quarter, this quarter versus previous quarters?

Speaker 5

No, linearity was fairly consistent.

Speaker 9

Consistent. Okay, perfect. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Trevor Walsh with JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 13

Great. Thanks, team for taking my question. Appreciate it. And also appreciate the updates around Purple dotai. Maybe, Tomer, just a quick one for you on that.

Speaker 13

Of your customer conversations, what's been kind of the primary pushback, if any, around, just the adoption of that new And then how does that maybe translate into what you're seeing as from just kind of an initial tax rate of what you're expecting around with Purple dot ai as we move into The beginning of next year and if that tracks similar to maybe Singularity Cloud or the Security Data Lake, if you expect that type of uptick or if there may be other kind of puts and

Speaker 4

Sure. We're not seeing, I think, any type of pushback per se. I think that Some of the questions that we've been asked revolved around potentially training more module more models, more AI models that are tailored to the customer environment and how we plan to address that. So I think there's largely a lot of excitement towards the capability In terms of how we're thinking about it, obviously, it takes some time to scale a whole new technology. And obviously, we're doing it responsibly.

Speaker 4

We want to make sure that there is the right safeguards. We want to make sure that privacy is kept. All of these things Are incredibly important for a company like ours. I mean, we're not just an average consumer company. We deal with security, and we need to make sure that these things are in place.

Speaker 4

In terms of the magnitude, I mean, PurpleAir is definitely almost another product line for us, right? I mean, it's not just a module. So how we're treating it, how we're structuring our go to market, what we anticipate Purple will contribute in the, call it, the next 24 months It's definitely in the magnitude of something like cloud, something like data. But again, I mean, it's early days. It looks very, very promising.

Speaker 4

I think the fact that it's an enterprise wide capability. So once again, it's not something that you sell per seat. It's not something that just for one footprint And the application of it can be virtually endless in the enterprise environment. I think that puts us in a league of its own In terms of the other offerings that we're seeing in the security space.

Speaker 13

That's fantastic. Really appreciate the color and congrats again on the quarter.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Ruedi Kasinger with D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hey, great. Thanks for taking my questions. Dave, I guess just on the net new ARR, I guess the implied net new ARR for Q4

Speaker 3

implies about,

Speaker 8

I guess, half the growth versus Q3 as you saw last year. So just what are your assumptions on close rates, budget flush, etcetera relative to, I guess, Q3 but also Q4 of last year?

Speaker 5

Yes. So obviously, we've increased our guidance to about $200,000,000 in net new ARR for the full year, up from $195,000,000 We're seeing clear signs of stabilization. We're expecting Q4 net new ARR to be essentially flat to what it was in Q4 of last year. We don't expect a budget flush. We've never really been a recipient of that, although I wouldn't mind it if it were to come.

Speaker 5

But really the way we're thinking about this is that Q4 is seasonally our largest quarter of the year. We don't expect Q4 this year to be any different And historically, we delivered upside to Q3. We outperformed typical seasonality and we're expecting that to carry into Q4. And I think one of the things to be concerned about is just there's still macro uncertainty, there's geopolitical uncertainties. Those are continuing to persist.

Speaker 5

We want to be Full of the evolving macro dynamics. But I think overall, we're pleased with the outlook we're seeing. We're pleased with the performance we had in Q3. And we're pleased with the execution of our teams. So the stabilization we're seeing and the visibility we have for Q4 makes us optimistic that Things are getting better.

Speaker 8

Okay. And then just a quick follow-up. The margin improvement, very, very nice to see. Just on gross margins, Any one time items to call out that drove that 79% in Q3 and why the step back down about 150 basis points in Q4?

Speaker 5

There's about 150 basis points of FX gain. Obviously, we have a fair amount of support people across Europe. The U. S. Saw favorable U.

Speaker 5

S. Dollar to the especially to the shekel over the end of Q3. Some of that has flipped thus far in Q4, but on a constant currency basis, we're assuming we'd have been roughly the same at about 77.5%, Which is what we're guiding for Q4.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Gabriela Borges with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Speaker 14

Hi, yes. This is Max on for Gabriela. Thanks for taking our question. As a follow-up to the prior question, we have a question for you. As you think about your fiscal year 2025 planning assumptions, It would be great to get your observation on what is incrementally changing in your priorities headed into next year, especially with your new CRO in place.

Speaker 14

Thank you.

Speaker 4

We'll provide an outlook next quarter. It feels prudent to get through the largest quarter of the year before turning to a new calendar year and budget Look, our market position is strong, and we execute well. I think we have multiple growth drivers. Our goal remains the same. It's to maximize growth and improve margins.

Speaker 4

And obviously, at the same time, as Dave mentioned, the economic challenges We're still very, very present, and we're not assuming any bettering conditions significantly next year. We're very encouraged by our new CRO, very excited to have Michael with us. Obviously, he brings a wealth of experience. It definitely is something that we planned for quite a few quarters. We also want to wish Mark the best in his retirement, And we look forward to really scaling the business in the next couple of years beyond EUR 1,000,000,000

Speaker 14

Yes, that's helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ray McDonough with Guggenheim. Please go ahead.

Speaker 15

Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Tom, over the past couple of quarters, we've talked about some downsizing on renewals. And I understand the commentary around the macro in general has been that trends A relatively stable, but in that area specifically around renewals, are those trends starting to change at all? Are you still seeing similar customer behavior?

Speaker 15

And Maybe just continuing to zoom out, as you look at kind of what transpired in November and as you talk to customers about Heading into the next calendar year, how are those budget conversations around security spend shaping up? Do you feel Close rates may improve next year as the threat environment seems to get more intense. Just any commentary on broader level spend and your Going into next year

Speaker 4

would be helpful. Yes. Look, all I can say is that things remain pretty consistent. I don't think that anybody A field that they can buy forward licenses for something that they don't use. So rightsizing, truly understanding what you need to use, I think that dynamic is here to stay.

Speaker 4

I don't think anything changes with that. Cybersecurity has been top of mind for years now. I don't think there's anything new In that, so all in all, I think there's really no change that I can call out at this point in time.

Speaker 15

That makes sense. And Dave, as the data lake solutions continues to scale, can you talk about the patterns of overages on consumption that you're seeing and assuming that's where the majority of consumption revenue comes from. And maybe to what extent you've been successful in capturing incremental commitments, which Would otherwise have been overages? And how should we think about that potentially point being a tailwind to ARR growth next year as the data lake solution scales?

Speaker 5

Yes. We really didn't have any changes or unexpected impact from consumption during the quarter at all. One of the things that we're seeing and we're encouraged by is that customers that did have overages when they do commit to us are committing at the level that they were spending. So if a customer is moving from consumption to subscription, we're seeing that at the levels that they were spending. As Tomer said, They're not putting a lot of elevated spend in that.

Speaker 5

They're essentially carrying it forward at the rates they've been doing. So we just we really haven't seen anything except for stabilization.

Speaker 15

Got it. Thanks for taking the questions.

Speaker 9

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Gray Powell with BTIG. Please go ahead.

Speaker 16

All right, great. Thanks for taking the question and congratulations on the strong results. So I really appreciated the color that you gave on the macro environment in the prepared remarks. I guess I just want to follow-up there. So we've been in a weak macro for like 18 months now.

Speaker 16

How do you feel about your visibility on customer behavior patterns And just like customer behavior patterns today and your ability to predict your business today versus this time a year ago?

Speaker 4

I mean, obviously, we know more. But once again, I feel like we're still in the bad macro. We remain in the bad macro, and we expect the bad macro to continue. I think even within the bad macro, obviously, you still see us grow 40% plus. So at the end of the day, I think we've adjusted at the beginning of this year to what we believe we can extract, and I think that we're seeing Practically, stabilization across customer behavior, I think customer expectations remain roughly the same as what they were A few quarters ago, so all in all, once again, I wouldn't assume anything is trending better, but it's also not trending worse.

Speaker 4

It's The same macro, and to Dave's point, I think our team's execution, our ability to adapt and really, I think conveyed value in our platform has helped us kind of navigate through

Speaker 16

That's really helpful. And then one more, if I may. So when you acquired TiVo back in early, I think it was 2022, That business was growing at about a 50% annual pace. Just with the tax, more recently you're increasingly targeting identity systems. How should we think about the growth potential on that business?

Speaker 16

Has there been any incremental tailwinds?

Speaker 4

I think it's for us, it's just another module out of a pretty large list of capabilities that we have. We're targeting bigger market opportunities, and I think our attention goes towards designing our go to market around where we feel The most traction and the biggest opportunity is, identity is just one of more modules that we have. I also think that In cybersecurity, in general, a lot of these capabilities are very much, I would call them, temporary In their ability to actually alleviate the threat vector. So it's identity today. To our, it's going to be A year ago, it was exploitation.

Speaker 4

I think these are constantly moving targets. And identity is obviously growing with our business. It's a great capability to have, but again, we're focused on cloud, focused on data, focused on AI as really tiebreakers 4 defenders in the enterprise.

Speaker 16

Understood. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Our last question comes from the line of Eric Heath with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Great. Thanks for taking the question. Dave, just a housekeeping question. I know before you had some targets out there for EBIT profitability for fiscal And free cash flow profitability for the second half of twenty twenty five. So just curious if that stands.

Speaker 11

And then just I'll add the second question, which For Tomer, it sounds like you're taking a different approach to your pricing around GenAI. So just curious what the Pricing mechanism is for AAI and just how customers are what the feedback is from customers on that pricing strategy?

Speaker 5

Sure. I can start. Thank you for the question. We're committed to optimizing growth and margin improvement and we remain on track to achieving Positive free cash flow in the second half of fiscal year twenty twenty five. We're delivering margin improvement in an incredibly strong pace, More than 25 points of operating margin improvement for 9 consecutive quarters.

Speaker 5

It's our entire history as a public company and we're going to continue with that. Free cash flow margin improved 40% year over year. Our net income margin was negative 5%. So we've been very proactive with our cost structure. We've shown measurable progress to achieving profitability and we've also raised our full year operating margin guidance from negative 25% to negative 20% this last quarter.

Speaker 5

So we're well on our way to achieving our profitability targets. We expect Q4 free cash flow margin in the negative single digits. So you're going See improvement there too. So really what we're doing is we're aligning our investment plans with the pace of growth. We'll continue to selectively invest in key growth areas such as cloud and data unlocking significant TAMs where we have distinct competitive advantages.

Speaker 5

And that's the path that we're progressing to. Obviously, we'll be guiding at the end of Q4. So look out for that. But Everything we're doing as a company and a lot of the improvements you're seeing right now are setting us up on the pace to make sure that what we want to achieve in fiscal 2025 So right now, we're focused on free cash flow creation. We expect that in the second half of next year, and we're working towards that.

Speaker 4

As for Purple pricing, as I mentioned, given that it's an enterprise wide capability, We're still obviously experimenting with it. It's still obviously not fully baked. But to us, I mean, just attaching it To the data ingested, I think, is something that we see, is just a very straightforward way to go about it. That said, obviously, for platform capabilities set so wide like the one that we have today, You also see us doing more and more ELA type structured deals. So you can imagine Purple can be part of that.

Speaker 4

So all in all, a lot of opportunity for more uplift. But I'll just once again mention, To us, it's about customer value, and we want to make sure that customers see the value from Purple. I think the pricing structure is secondary to the amount of value That you can tangibly show to the customer and that's the focus with Purple

Operator

Thank you. I would now like to pass the conference back to Tomar Weingarten, The CEO for any closing remarks.

Speaker 4

Thank you all for joining us today. From a collective standpoint, the ongoing conflicts and geopolitical tensions impacting people around the globe are disheartening. I'm humbled by the perseverance and commitment of Sentinels globally and especially our own people in Israel, who endured some of the worst atrocities in recent history. Cyber warfare plays an important role in this as well. Cyber attacks, espionage, disinformation and influence operations are attempting to destabilize so many aspects of society.

Speaker 4

The war in cyberspace is now fully embedded into all of our lives and the concept of truth is eroding. Generative AI capabilities are a significant contributing factor to the severity of the situation, and this is only Generation 1. At SentinelOne, our mission is to be a force for good using AI technology to create a safer world and safeguard our customers. We hope for a peaceful tomorrow. Once again, I want to thank all Sentinels, our customers and our partners for helping us drive this mission.

Speaker 4

Thank you.

Operator

That concludes today's conference call. I hope you all enjoy the rest of your day. You may now disconnect your lines.

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