NASDAQ:CNFR Conifer Q1 2023 Earnings Report $0.72 -0.03 (-3.38%) As of 04:00 PM Eastern This is a fair market value price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings History Conifer EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.03Consensus EPS $0.01Beat/MissBeat by +$0.02One Year Ago EPSN/AConifer Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$24.58 millionExpected Revenue$25.13 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$550.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/AConifer Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2023Date5/10/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateThursday, May 11, 2023Conference Call Time8:30AM ETUpcoming EarningsConifer's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Monday, May 12, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Wednesday, May 14, 2025 at 8:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Conifer Q1 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 11, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, and welcome to the Conifer Holdings First Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Brian Roney. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:38Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Conifer issued its 2023 Q1 financial results after the close of market yesterday. You can find copies of the earnings release on the company's website, ir. Cnfrh.com. The slide presentation accompanying management's discussion this morning is available to view or download via webcast or from the Investor Relations section of Conifer's website. Speaker 100:01:05Before we get started, please note that except with regard To historical information, statements made in this conference call may constitute forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws, including statements relating to trends, the company's operations and financial results and the business and the products of the company and its subsidiaries. Actual results may differ materially from the results anticipated in these forward looking statements due to various risks And uncertainties underlying our forward looking statements as described from time to time in Conifer's filings with the SEC, including our latest Form 10 ks and subsequent reports. Conifer specifically disclaims any obligation to In addition, a replay of this call will be provided through a link on the Investor Relations section of our website. During this call, we'll also discuss Non GAAP financial measures as defined by SEC Regulation G. Reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measures to the comparable GAAP financial measures are included, when possible, in our earnings release and our historical SEC filings. Speaker 100:02:25Statutory accounting data is prepared in accordance with statutory accounting rules and is therefore not reconciled to GAAP. We will conduct a Q and A session after management's prepared remarks this morning. With that, I'll turn the call over to Jim Peckoff, Executive Chairman and Co Chief Executive Officer. Speaker 200:02:44Jim? Thanks, Brian. Good morning, everyone. Joining me today on the call are Nick and Harold as well. I'm pleased to report that the Q1 financial results bear out The key strategic decisions management has been implementing over the past several years. Speaker 200:03:03In particular, the actions we took to improve our business mix by focusing on select profitable verticals as well as strengthening our overall reserves. Together, these actions have positioned us for profitable future growth. One of the major initiatives undertaken in 2022 was the execution of our loss portfolio transfer reinsurance agreement. Specific to liability lines for accident years 2019 and prior. As we will report in further detail Later in the call, we have begun to recognize the benefits resulting from that decision already in the Q1 of 2023, and we are confident that these favorable results will continue. Speaker 200:03:49As always, we remain dedicated to preserving the sustainable top line, Continuing to streamline our expense structure and maintain our operational profitability to generate favorable return to Conifer shareholders. In that light, I'm pleased to report significant improvement across the broad spectrum of metrics for the Q1. These and other underwriting improvements have been instrumental in our ability to achieve profitability this quarter. And we will continue to evaluate and refine our underwriting practices to drive sustainable growth. We are Proud of the hard work and dedication of our entire team and we remain committed to delivering exceptional value to our insureds and our shareholders. Speaker 200:04:32We will continue to build on this quarter's success in the months years to come. I'm now going to hand it off to Nick for more color on Speaker 300:04:41As Jim noted, we have implemented numerous underwriting changes over the past several years that are beginning to bear results and that point the way to continued and sustainable future profitability. Significant underwriting enhancements over the past several years include implementing a variety of underwriting Tools that enable us to more accurately predict the likelihood of claims and losses based on a variety of factors such as demographics, Location and previous claims history. This has allowed us to make more informed underwriting decisions, including tightened term and conditions, improved geographic distribution and increased rate where appropriate to reflect the level of risk for each policy. In addition, by diligently maintaining our focus on several key specialty verticals, we've enabled our underwriting team to deepen and utilize their area of expertise To develop unique products and provide superior customer service to our agents and insureds. Narrowing the breadth of our underwriting focus has generated Improved operating efficiency as well, resulting in faster policy turnaround times and more streamlined processes to reduce expenses and provide an improved overall customer Moreover, greater refined risk selection leads to reduced frequency and severity of claims, Our agency partners can be frontline underwriters and help us deliver not only better product selection overall, to drive better underwriting results. Speaker 300:06:06Years in the making, all of these efforts combined to build strong relationships with our agency partners As evidenced by our continuing account retention of 90% overall. Gross written premium was just over $36,000,000 for the Q1, a 10% increase over the same period last year. The majority of our premium continues to come from Commercial Lines, which accounted 80% of total gross written premium in the period. Commercial lines production was up slightly to $29,000,000 as we continue to focus on our specialty markets where we are generating successful underwriting results. In the quarter, we Reported a profitable combined ratio of 97.6 percent for commercial lines. Speaker 300:06:47Our small business group continued to be the major contributor to increased commercial lines premium production as we saw top line growth in this group of more than 10% in the quarter. Generally, rate continues to be a strong positive contributing across all lines of business for Conifer. Our personal lines business, which consists principally of low value dwelling products, continues to represent a solid Share of overall business at 20 percent of total gross written premium for the Q1. Personal Lines gross written premium was up more than 65 Over the same period last year to just over $7,000,000 for the Q1. Texas and Oklahoma continue to perform well overall Despite cat losses that led to an elevated loss ratio for the Q1, and we are pleased with the geographic spread we are achieving there. Speaker 300:07:34As noted in previous earnings calls, we continue to see additional runway for logical growth and continued rate increases in our personal lines premium production. In addition to positive underwriting results overall, our claims continue to trend favorably across our book as well with respect to frequency per premium and general For example, as of March 31, all open liability claims are down 42% since the Q1 of 2019. All of these positive factors combined to provide ongoing evidence that the strategic decisions implemented in 2022 and prior We're well founded and we are confident that they point to continued improvement in our underwriting results going forward. And with that, I'll turn it over to Harold to discuss the financials. Speaker 400:08:17Thank Speaker 500:08:17you, Nick. I'll provide a quick review of the results, and I encourage Investors to review our filings and presentation on the company's website for greater detail. As Nick noted in the Q1, gross written premiums increased 10% to over With Nick having detailed the premium breakout, I'll focus more on our overall financial results. Conifer's combined ratio was 99.5% in the 1st quarter, down 13 percentage points from the same period last year. Our loss ratio was 62% compared to 75% for the Q1 of 2022. Speaker 500:08:55As we see the results of prior year strategic initiatives coming to fruition, we anticipate continued positive improvement in our results going forward. The loss ratio in Commercial Lines was 61% for the first quarter, down 20 percentage points compared to the Q1 of last year, clearly reflecting the underwriting improvements made over the past several years. Our expense ratio continues to improve despite lower net earned premiums due to the success of our ongoing expense reduction The expense ratio was 37% for the Q1, down slightly from the same period last year and approaching our target expense ratio of 35%. As net earned premiums begin to climb through anticipated organic growth in our key verticals over time, the expense ratio is expected to continue to improve. Net investment income was $1,300,000 during the Q1, up 150 From $507,000 in the prior year. Speaker 500:09:59We recorded $694,000 increase in the fair value of equity investments In the Q1, while net realized investment income was insignificant. Our investments remain conservatively managed With the vast majority of our investable assets in fixed income securities, with an average credit quality of AA, an average duration of 3 point 4 years and a tax equivalent yield of 2.4%. The company reported net income of $1,000,000 or $0.08 per share for the Q1 compared to a net loss of $2,900,000 or $0.30 per share in the prior year period. This quarter, Conifer reported an adjusted operating income of $307,000 or $0.03 per share compared to an adjusted operating loss of $3,100,000 or $0.32 per share for the Q1 of last year. Moving to the balance sheet. Speaker 500:10:57Total assets were $293,000,000 at quarter end, with cash and total investments of $163,000,000 Our book value at quarter end was $1.82 per share, representing a 17% increase from book value of 1.55 Full valuation allowance were not reflected in book value. And with that, I'd like to turn it back over to Jim for closing remarks. Speaker 200:11:29Thanks, Harold and Zig. In conclusion, I'm very pleased with our performance this quarter, Though we have some significant runway ahead of us to do things better, we think that we're on our path. Our results Speak to the commitment to generate profitable operating income through underwriting discipline and strategic decision making across the organization. Over the last Several years, our consistent underwriting improvements were the key to our success this quarter, and I'm confident that our continued focus will drive Looking ahead, we will continue to invest in our business and explore opportunities for logical growth. We remain focused on delivering exceptional value to our customers and shareholders, and we are excited about the future. Speaker 200:12:18We'll now take any questions. Operator00:12:22We will now begin the question and answer session. And our first question will come from Paul Newsome of Piper Sandler. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:12:57Good morning. Thanks for the call. I was hoping you could kind of look at or talk to Both the commercialized and the personalized separately about the amount of premium growth that's generated by rate increases versus Speaker 200:13:20Good morning, Paul. Glad you're on the call. That's obviously a question for Speaker 300:13:24Sure. Yes, on the Personal Lines side, we had filed a or we had implemented a 10% rate increase on our Texas homeowners book, Effective Oneonetwenty 23. And then on our Oklahoma book, there was a 12% rate increase effective 3.1. So, on our personal lines book, there was both growth on exposure, but also rate as well that led The growth that we saw in the quarter, obviously, the percentage growth is large, because we were working off of a relatively small number. But it's a combination Both organic growth and rate. Speaker 300:14:05Similar story on the commercial line side, our property rates were Renewal rates were up 7% year over year and our GL rates on our hospitality were up 4% year over year, while our small business is closer to 13% year over year. So, it's The combination of both rate and exposure, certainly on the personal line side. On the commercial line side, We're seeing a little bit more rate because as we've grown in the commercial line side, we've also been exiting Some key geographies like Florida, so we're seeing a little bit more growth via rate on the commercial line side. Speaker 400:14:51Great. Another topic for almost every insurer this quarter has been reinsurance And the hard market reinsurance and the impact on your business. Can you remind us of where you Just review reinsurance usage and what might happen, prospectively, if the hard reinsurance market continues? Speaker 200:15:15Well, the reinsurance market at the end of the year was one of the most difficult that I've ever seen. Fortunately, on our casualty, there was not much change at all. We've been pretty consistent. I think it should have gone down, but it didn't. So I guess that's the negative. Speaker 200:15:37But we didn't really get Much of the rate changed there. The property was very significant due to Ian, we had several Large clients. We really didn't hit the cat very hard at all. They came in Specifically, excess of loss policies on the commercial side. So the reality is we don't expect our CAD, Which comes up 6.1 to have much change. Speaker 200:16:07We're right in the middle there now. But we did get hit quite hard on our excess of loss contracts At the beginning of the year, which property capacity was at a premium. We expect this to improve In the near future because our experiences, other than Ian, is still quite good. So We're hoping for relief on the property side in the for sure at the end of the year, but in the near term. That's probably more detail than you needed, but the reality was it's one of the worst Reinsurance markets I've ever seen. Speaker 200:16:46Nick, do you want to add anything? Speaker 300:16:48No, I think you covered it. We did see increases on our property per risk. We don't expect major changes on our property cat that comes up at sixone. Speaker 400:17:01Great. And then Last more of a broad question. There has been a lot of mixed commentary in the earnings call so far this About the competitive environment for, especially commercial in particular. I was wondering if, obviously, you are a slice a relatively small slice of the total. If you're seeing any changes in the competitive environment for your parts of the Specialty Commercial Business? Speaker 200:17:37I'm going to let Nick answer it. Speaker 300:17:38Sure. I think it varies quite a bit by geography for us and by, I guess focus, I'd say less so in our hospitality. We don't see, as much competition in that Market as we have seen in the past, and some of our other small commercial lines, especially on the E and S side, We are seeing some new entrants more focused on the casualty lines of business. Property, due to the reinsurance That you mentioned is still a very tight and I'd say hard market that we're seeing. We have seen a few new entrants in some of the As will the E and S markets that we're in, we haven't seen a dramatic impact on pricing yet in those markets, but We are seeing more competitors in the marketplace and, yes, we'll have to see how that develops over the rest of the year. Operator00:18:50This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back Over to Jim Petcoff for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:18:58I just want to thank Paul for the question And for the people who are listening in, and I appreciate your continued interest. We feel we're on the right path and look forward to the future. Thanks. Operator00:19:12The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation and you may now disconnect.Read morePowered by Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallConifer Q1 202300:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2x Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) Conifer Earnings Headlines3 Penny Stocks With Market Caps As Low As $5MApril 10, 2025 | finance.yahoo.comConifer Holdings, Inc.: Conifer Holdings Reports 2024 Fourth Quarter and Year End Financial ResultsMarch 29, 2025 | finanznachrichten.deGold Hits New Highs as Global Markets SpiralWhen Trump took office in 2017, gold was just $1,100 an ounce. 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There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, and welcome to the Conifer Holdings First Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Brian Roney. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:38Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Conifer issued its 2023 Q1 financial results after the close of market yesterday. You can find copies of the earnings release on the company's website, ir. Cnfrh.com. The slide presentation accompanying management's discussion this morning is available to view or download via webcast or from the Investor Relations section of Conifer's website. Speaker 100:01:05Before we get started, please note that except with regard To historical information, statements made in this conference call may constitute forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws, including statements relating to trends, the company's operations and financial results and the business and the products of the company and its subsidiaries. Actual results may differ materially from the results anticipated in these forward looking statements due to various risks And uncertainties underlying our forward looking statements as described from time to time in Conifer's filings with the SEC, including our latest Form 10 ks and subsequent reports. Conifer specifically disclaims any obligation to In addition, a replay of this call will be provided through a link on the Investor Relations section of our website. During this call, we'll also discuss Non GAAP financial measures as defined by SEC Regulation G. Reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measures to the comparable GAAP financial measures are included, when possible, in our earnings release and our historical SEC filings. Speaker 100:02:25Statutory accounting data is prepared in accordance with statutory accounting rules and is therefore not reconciled to GAAP. We will conduct a Q and A session after management's prepared remarks this morning. With that, I'll turn the call over to Jim Peckoff, Executive Chairman and Co Chief Executive Officer. Speaker 200:02:44Jim? Thanks, Brian. Good morning, everyone. Joining me today on the call are Nick and Harold as well. I'm pleased to report that the Q1 financial results bear out The key strategic decisions management has been implementing over the past several years. Speaker 200:03:03In particular, the actions we took to improve our business mix by focusing on select profitable verticals as well as strengthening our overall reserves. Together, these actions have positioned us for profitable future growth. One of the major initiatives undertaken in 2022 was the execution of our loss portfolio transfer reinsurance agreement. Specific to liability lines for accident years 2019 and prior. As we will report in further detail Later in the call, we have begun to recognize the benefits resulting from that decision already in the Q1 of 2023, and we are confident that these favorable results will continue. Speaker 200:03:49As always, we remain dedicated to preserving the sustainable top line, Continuing to streamline our expense structure and maintain our operational profitability to generate favorable return to Conifer shareholders. In that light, I'm pleased to report significant improvement across the broad spectrum of metrics for the Q1. These and other underwriting improvements have been instrumental in our ability to achieve profitability this quarter. And we will continue to evaluate and refine our underwriting practices to drive sustainable growth. We are Proud of the hard work and dedication of our entire team and we remain committed to delivering exceptional value to our insureds and our shareholders. Speaker 200:04:32We will continue to build on this quarter's success in the months years to come. I'm now going to hand it off to Nick for more color on Speaker 300:04:41As Jim noted, we have implemented numerous underwriting changes over the past several years that are beginning to bear results and that point the way to continued and sustainable future profitability. Significant underwriting enhancements over the past several years include implementing a variety of underwriting Tools that enable us to more accurately predict the likelihood of claims and losses based on a variety of factors such as demographics, Location and previous claims history. This has allowed us to make more informed underwriting decisions, including tightened term and conditions, improved geographic distribution and increased rate where appropriate to reflect the level of risk for each policy. In addition, by diligently maintaining our focus on several key specialty verticals, we've enabled our underwriting team to deepen and utilize their area of expertise To develop unique products and provide superior customer service to our agents and insureds. Narrowing the breadth of our underwriting focus has generated Improved operating efficiency as well, resulting in faster policy turnaround times and more streamlined processes to reduce expenses and provide an improved overall customer Moreover, greater refined risk selection leads to reduced frequency and severity of claims, Our agency partners can be frontline underwriters and help us deliver not only better product selection overall, to drive better underwriting results. Speaker 300:06:06Years in the making, all of these efforts combined to build strong relationships with our agency partners As evidenced by our continuing account retention of 90% overall. Gross written premium was just over $36,000,000 for the Q1, a 10% increase over the same period last year. The majority of our premium continues to come from Commercial Lines, which accounted 80% of total gross written premium in the period. Commercial lines production was up slightly to $29,000,000 as we continue to focus on our specialty markets where we are generating successful underwriting results. In the quarter, we Reported a profitable combined ratio of 97.6 percent for commercial lines. Speaker 300:06:47Our small business group continued to be the major contributor to increased commercial lines premium production as we saw top line growth in this group of more than 10% in the quarter. Generally, rate continues to be a strong positive contributing across all lines of business for Conifer. Our personal lines business, which consists principally of low value dwelling products, continues to represent a solid Share of overall business at 20 percent of total gross written premium for the Q1. Personal Lines gross written premium was up more than 65 Over the same period last year to just over $7,000,000 for the Q1. Texas and Oklahoma continue to perform well overall Despite cat losses that led to an elevated loss ratio for the Q1, and we are pleased with the geographic spread we are achieving there. Speaker 300:07:34As noted in previous earnings calls, we continue to see additional runway for logical growth and continued rate increases in our personal lines premium production. In addition to positive underwriting results overall, our claims continue to trend favorably across our book as well with respect to frequency per premium and general For example, as of March 31, all open liability claims are down 42% since the Q1 of 2019. All of these positive factors combined to provide ongoing evidence that the strategic decisions implemented in 2022 and prior We're well founded and we are confident that they point to continued improvement in our underwriting results going forward. And with that, I'll turn it over to Harold to discuss the financials. Speaker 400:08:17Thank Speaker 500:08:17you, Nick. I'll provide a quick review of the results, and I encourage Investors to review our filings and presentation on the company's website for greater detail. As Nick noted in the Q1, gross written premiums increased 10% to over With Nick having detailed the premium breakout, I'll focus more on our overall financial results. Conifer's combined ratio was 99.5% in the 1st quarter, down 13 percentage points from the same period last year. Our loss ratio was 62% compared to 75% for the Q1 of 2022. Speaker 500:08:55As we see the results of prior year strategic initiatives coming to fruition, we anticipate continued positive improvement in our results going forward. The loss ratio in Commercial Lines was 61% for the first quarter, down 20 percentage points compared to the Q1 of last year, clearly reflecting the underwriting improvements made over the past several years. Our expense ratio continues to improve despite lower net earned premiums due to the success of our ongoing expense reduction The expense ratio was 37% for the Q1, down slightly from the same period last year and approaching our target expense ratio of 35%. As net earned premiums begin to climb through anticipated organic growth in our key verticals over time, the expense ratio is expected to continue to improve. Net investment income was $1,300,000 during the Q1, up 150 From $507,000 in the prior year. Speaker 500:09:59We recorded $694,000 increase in the fair value of equity investments In the Q1, while net realized investment income was insignificant. Our investments remain conservatively managed With the vast majority of our investable assets in fixed income securities, with an average credit quality of AA, an average duration of 3 point 4 years and a tax equivalent yield of 2.4%. The company reported net income of $1,000,000 or $0.08 per share for the Q1 compared to a net loss of $2,900,000 or $0.30 per share in the prior year period. This quarter, Conifer reported an adjusted operating income of $307,000 or $0.03 per share compared to an adjusted operating loss of $3,100,000 or $0.32 per share for the Q1 of last year. Moving to the balance sheet. Speaker 500:10:57Total assets were $293,000,000 at quarter end, with cash and total investments of $163,000,000 Our book value at quarter end was $1.82 per share, representing a 17% increase from book value of 1.55 Full valuation allowance were not reflected in book value. And with that, I'd like to turn it back over to Jim for closing remarks. Speaker 200:11:29Thanks, Harold and Zig. In conclusion, I'm very pleased with our performance this quarter, Though we have some significant runway ahead of us to do things better, we think that we're on our path. Our results Speak to the commitment to generate profitable operating income through underwriting discipline and strategic decision making across the organization. Over the last Several years, our consistent underwriting improvements were the key to our success this quarter, and I'm confident that our continued focus will drive Looking ahead, we will continue to invest in our business and explore opportunities for logical growth. We remain focused on delivering exceptional value to our customers and shareholders, and we are excited about the future. Speaker 200:12:18We'll now take any questions. Operator00:12:22We will now begin the question and answer session. And our first question will come from Paul Newsome of Piper Sandler. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:12:57Good morning. Thanks for the call. I was hoping you could kind of look at or talk to Both the commercialized and the personalized separately about the amount of premium growth that's generated by rate increases versus Speaker 200:13:20Good morning, Paul. Glad you're on the call. That's obviously a question for Speaker 300:13:24Sure. Yes, on the Personal Lines side, we had filed a or we had implemented a 10% rate increase on our Texas homeowners book, Effective Oneonetwenty 23. And then on our Oklahoma book, there was a 12% rate increase effective 3.1. So, on our personal lines book, there was both growth on exposure, but also rate as well that led The growth that we saw in the quarter, obviously, the percentage growth is large, because we were working off of a relatively small number. But it's a combination Both organic growth and rate. Speaker 300:14:05Similar story on the commercial line side, our property rates were Renewal rates were up 7% year over year and our GL rates on our hospitality were up 4% year over year, while our small business is closer to 13% year over year. So, it's The combination of both rate and exposure, certainly on the personal line side. On the commercial line side, We're seeing a little bit more rate because as we've grown in the commercial line side, we've also been exiting Some key geographies like Florida, so we're seeing a little bit more growth via rate on the commercial line side. Speaker 400:14:51Great. Another topic for almost every insurer this quarter has been reinsurance And the hard market reinsurance and the impact on your business. Can you remind us of where you Just review reinsurance usage and what might happen, prospectively, if the hard reinsurance market continues? Speaker 200:15:15Well, the reinsurance market at the end of the year was one of the most difficult that I've ever seen. Fortunately, on our casualty, there was not much change at all. We've been pretty consistent. I think it should have gone down, but it didn't. So I guess that's the negative. Speaker 200:15:37But we didn't really get Much of the rate changed there. The property was very significant due to Ian, we had several Large clients. We really didn't hit the cat very hard at all. They came in Specifically, excess of loss policies on the commercial side. So the reality is we don't expect our CAD, Which comes up 6.1 to have much change. Speaker 200:16:07We're right in the middle there now. But we did get hit quite hard on our excess of loss contracts At the beginning of the year, which property capacity was at a premium. We expect this to improve In the near future because our experiences, other than Ian, is still quite good. So We're hoping for relief on the property side in the for sure at the end of the year, but in the near term. That's probably more detail than you needed, but the reality was it's one of the worst Reinsurance markets I've ever seen. Speaker 200:16:46Nick, do you want to add anything? Speaker 300:16:48No, I think you covered it. We did see increases on our property per risk. We don't expect major changes on our property cat that comes up at sixone. Speaker 400:17:01Great. And then Last more of a broad question. There has been a lot of mixed commentary in the earnings call so far this About the competitive environment for, especially commercial in particular. I was wondering if, obviously, you are a slice a relatively small slice of the total. If you're seeing any changes in the competitive environment for your parts of the Specialty Commercial Business? Speaker 200:17:37I'm going to let Nick answer it. Speaker 300:17:38Sure. I think it varies quite a bit by geography for us and by, I guess focus, I'd say less so in our hospitality. We don't see, as much competition in that Market as we have seen in the past, and some of our other small commercial lines, especially on the E and S side, We are seeing some new entrants more focused on the casualty lines of business. Property, due to the reinsurance That you mentioned is still a very tight and I'd say hard market that we're seeing. We have seen a few new entrants in some of the As will the E and S markets that we're in, we haven't seen a dramatic impact on pricing yet in those markets, but We are seeing more competitors in the marketplace and, yes, we'll have to see how that develops over the rest of the year. Operator00:18:50This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back Over to Jim Petcoff for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:18:58I just want to thank Paul for the question And for the people who are listening in, and I appreciate your continued interest. We feel we're on the right path and look forward to the future. Thanks. Operator00:19:12The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation and you may now disconnect.Read morePowered by