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Earnings HistoryForecast Magnite EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.10Consensus EPS -$0.32Beat/MissBeat by +$0.22One Year Ago EPSN/AMagnite Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$130.15 millionExpected Revenue$110.90 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$19.25 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AMagnite Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2023Date5/10/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateWednesday, May 10, 2023Conference Call Time4:30PM ETUpcoming EarningsMagnite's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, May 7, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 4:30 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Magnite Q1 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 10, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 11 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00And welcome to the Magnite First Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask Please note, today's event is being recorded. And now I'd like to turn the conference over to your host today, Nick Carmelukin, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 100:00:31Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Magnite's First Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. Joining me on the call today are Michael Barrett, CEO and David Day, our CFO. I would like to point out that we have posted financial highlights slides on our Investor Relations website to accompany today's presentation. Speaker 100:00:49Before we get started, I will remind you that our prepared remarks Answers to questions will include information that might be considered to be forward looking statements, including but not limited to statements concerning our anticipated financial performance and strategic objectives, including the potential impacts of macroeconomic factors on our business. These statements are not guarantees of future performance. They reflect our current views with respect to future events Based on assumptions and estimates and subject to known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause our actual results, performance or achievements to be materially different from expectations All results projected or implied by forward looking statements. A discussion of these and other risks, uncertainties and assumptions is set forth in the company's periodic Reports filed with the SEC, including our Q1 2023 quarterly report on Form 10 Q and our 2022 annual report on Form 10 ks. We undertake no obligation to update forward looking statements or relevant risks. Speaker 100:01:43Our commentary today will include non GAAP financial measures, including revenue ex or less traffic acquisition costs, adjusted EBITDA and non GAAP income per share. Reconciliations between GAAP And non GAAP metrics for our reported results can be found in our earnings press release and in the financial highlights deck that is posted on our Investor Relations website. At times, in response to your questions, we may offer incremental metrics to provide greater insights into the dynamics of our business. Please be advised that this additional detail may be one time in And we may or may not provide an update on the future of these metrics. I encourage you to visit our Investor Relations website to access our press release, financial highlights deck, I will now turn the call over to Michael. Speaker 100:02:26Please go ahead. Speaker 200:02:27Thank you, Nick. Q1 was a standout quarter for Magnite. Revenue ex TAC grew 8%, CTV revenue ex TAC grew 10%, Adjusted EBITDA came in at $23,000,000 and we posted an adjusted EBITDA margin of 20%, all exceeding our guidance for the quarter. We continue to demonstrate the value of a differentiated strategic sell side partner in the ad tech ecosystem. Our growth and outperformance relative to Walled Gardens and numerous peers in Q1 is further evidence that our strategy is working And there is a big opportunity for a leading sell side platform to serve the open Internet. Speaker 200:03:13It is most evident in CTV, where having an ad service becoming critical to long term success given that so much inventory is still transacted directly. CTV Publishers require a fully integrated offering that maximizes yield Across our portfolio of programmatic and direct inventory, providing tremendous performance advantages. At an increasing pace, we are seeing undifferentiated SSP struggle as they are unable to serve customers in new formats And we believe there are significant opportunities for market share gain in the future. As we look forward, our growth expectations for 2023 have improved from our last update, and we expect this strength to continue throughout the year. David will provide greater detail on our financial results and future outlook in his prepared remarks. Speaker 200:04:24Our CTV results were propelled by strong performance in our Spring Serve ad server business And by our managed service business where we saw good traction with new and existing partners. We've had success this quarter with our lead partners in CTV that include LG, Vizio, Group M, Disney, Fox and Roku, Who recently announced changes to their go to market strategy. Our momentum with these partners is very visible With our active participation in the upfronts and new fronts that have recently kicked off, we're programmatic continues to play a bigger role, especially as it relates to direct deals. On the new CTV partner front, Rakuten TV, one of the leading video on demand platforms in Europe, recently adopted the SpringServe Tile solution. As a reminder, this proprietary ad unit provides publishers with the flexibility to showcase custom ad creative Within the streaming interface in any size in a wide variety of formats. Speaker 200:05:33Rakuten joins VIZIO and others We are now leveraging Tyals to create incremental revenue opportunities and enhance the advertising experience Business. DBplus revenue ex TAC grew 7% year over year, showing further improvement in share gains. We have seen broad based improvement this quarter across many of the leading DSP partners we work with. As I have mentioned in the past, TV plus growth is a result of many incremental wins as we drive further improvements in the quarters to come. We had a very busy quarter from a platform perspective. Speaker 200:06:32In February, we officially launched Magnite Streaming. Magnite Streaming is our next generation Customer feedback so far has been very positive. Migrations to date have gone very well and we expect to have all migrations completed Shortly after the end of Q2 as planned. On the product front, we also announced the launch of ClearLine in early April. ClearLine is a self-service solution that provides agencies direct access to buy premium video inventory across all Magnite Publishers And is ad server agnostic. Speaker 200:07:21Clearline significantly increases spend going towards working media, Makes it easier for sellers and agencies to securely share data and helps Magnate Publishers generate more revenue and develop new sources of unique demand. This product captures CTV ad dollars that have traditionally been transacted outside The programmatic channel through direct deals and therefore represents an incremental opportunity To bring additional ad spend into the ecosystem, in addition to our agency launch partners, We have received positive feedback from publishers as well who see this as a potential alternative to drive additional revenue. ClearLine has been portrayed by some in the press as an alternative to DSPs. This couldn't be further from the truth. ESPs will remain the primary method for agencies to access premium video inventory on our platforms. Speaker 200:08:25Clearline represents a programmatic market expansion for publishers, agencies and DSPs. We are excited to share more details on ClearAlliance traction in the coming quarters. Also on the technology front, we announced that Spring Serv will be joining the Amazon Publisher Services or APS, Add server certification program for streaming TV. Working with APS Through this certification program is a significant opportunity for our SpringServe publishers as it will add Amazon DSP demand to their existing monetization solutions. We've been doing a lot of work behind the scenes in CTV audience creation and targeting, Helping media owners extract greater value from their first party publisher data, while carefully protecting The confidentiality of their user IDs. Speaker 200:09:25This is a big shift from the browser world to display an online video With the buy side, we typically perform this work through 3rd party cookies. More to come on this in the quarters ahead. Before I turn it over to David to cover the financials, I'd like to mention the promotion of David Bonasera to the role of Magnite's new CTO. He's been pretty busy as you can see from the platform and partner developments I just covered. David joined the company in 2021 When we acquired SpringServe, which he helped cofound and scale to a leader in video ad serving with an impressive global client list. Speaker 200:10:08Prior to his appointment as our CTO, David was serving as a member of our office of the CTO As well as leading our SpringServe and CTV platform engineering efforts. He is a phenomenal leader and technologist, And we're thrilled to have someone with David's unique experience and capabilities lead our Global Technology Welcome, David. With that, I'll turn the call over to David Day for more details on the financials. David? Speaker 300:10:41Thanks, Michael. Q1 finished with strong momentum. As Michael mentioned, revenue ex TAC, Adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin all exceeded our guidance for the quarter. Total revenue for Q1 was $130,000,000 Revenue ex TAC was $116,000,000 up 8% from Q1 of 2022. CTV revenue ex TAC was $46,000,000 up from $42,000,000 or 10% from last year. Speaker 300:11:13DBplus revenue ex TAC was $70,000,000,000 an increase of 7% compared to Q1 last year. Automotive, travel and food and beverage were our top growth verticals for the quarter. Consumer categories such as technology, retail and health and fitness made more modest improvements. Our revenue ex TAC mix for Q1 was 40% CTV, 40% mobile And 20% desktop. From a geographic perspective, we saw good international growth that was roughly double the growth rate of the U. Speaker 300:11:49S. Total operating expenses, which includes cost of revenue for the Q1 increased to $231,000,000 compared to $158,000,000 in the same period a year ago, with the increase primarily driven by 53,000,000 dollars of non cash accelerated amortization resulting from our platform consolidation. Adjusted EBITDA operating expense was $93,000,000 and within our guidance range. This was an increase of less than 1% We would typically see a bigger increase seasonally, but the impact was offset by our risk actions. The increase from $78,000,000 in Q1 of last year resulted from increased platform and personnel expenses, along with return to office, travel and event related costs. Speaker 300:12:40Net loss was $99,000,000 for the quarter compared to net loss for the Q1 of 2022 of $45,000,000 which includes the previously mentioned $53,000,000 of accelerated amortization expense. Adjusted EBITDA was $29,000,000 for the same period last year and adjusted EBITDA margin was 20%. Note that we calculate our adjusted EBITDA margin as a percentage of revenue ex TAC. GAAP loss per basic and diluted share was $0.73 for the Q1 of 2023 compared to a loss of $0.34 for the Q1 in 2022. Non GAAP earnings per share in the Q1 of 2023 was $0.04 compared to $0.08 reported last year. Speaker 300:13:27The $53,000,000 of accelerated amortization expense had a negative impact on GAAP loss per share of $0.39 and a negative impact on non GAAP earnings per share of $0.09 in Q1. The reconciliations to non GAAP income and non GAAP Earnings per share are included with our Q1 results press release. We expect to recognize additional accelerated amortization expense $53,000,000 in Q2 $8,000,000 in Q3 this year. There were 135,000,000 weighted average basic and diluted shares outstanding for the first Quarter of 2023. Fully diluted weighted average shares utilized for non GAAP earnings per share were $144,000,000 for the Q1. Speaker 300:14:12Capital expenditures, including both purchases of property and equipment and capitalized internal use software development costs We're $10,000,000 for the quarter. Operating cash flow, which we define as adjusted EBITDA less CapEx was $14,000,000 for the quarter. Our net interest expense for the quarter was $8,000,000 During the Q1, we purchased and retired Approximately $50,000,000 in face value of our convertible notes using approximately $41,000,000 in cash, resulting in a discount of approximately 19%. We have $34,000,000 remaining under our current program Cash balance at the end of Q1 was $237,000,000 The reduction from year end is based on use of cash for the repurchase of our convertible notes, typical seasonality and timing of receivable payments around quarter end. Our net leverage ratio was approximately 2.5x at the end of Q1, down from 3.1x year over year. Speaker 300:15:20We expect the ratio to be meaningfully below 2x@yearend. We are excited about our business and ability to generate Strong cash flow, while providing the flexibility to reduce debt and maintain a healthy cash position. We continue to expect to generate significant free cash in 2023, especially in our seasonally strong second half, And we will continue to evaluate the best use of our cash as it relates to debt reduction and share repurchases. I will now share our expectations for the Q2 and thoughts for the year. Our guidance is based on recent growth trends, although we have been somewhat measured due to the continued uncertainty in the macro environment. Speaker 300:16:07For the Q2, we expect revenue ex TAP To be in the range of $132,000,000 to $136,000,000 We expect revenue ex TAC attributable to CTV To be in the range of $56,000,000 to $58,000,000 we expect adjusted EBITDA operating expenses to increase slightly from Q1 to between $94,000,000 $96,000,000 which implies adjusted EBITDA margin of approximately 29% for Q2 at the midpoints. For 2023, we expect our revenue ex TAC growth rate for the full year To be in the high single digits assuming current course and speed. We expect that adjusted EBITDA OpEx will be lower in the second We anticipate full year adjusted EBITDA will be comparable or better than 2022 and that adjusted EBITDA margins will show meaningful improvement in the second half of twenty twenty three. Our full CapEx Expectation is unchanged and we expect $40,000,000 or less in 2023. And lastly, we continue to expect Full year free cash flow to exceed $100,000,000 Q1 performance gives us a great start to 2023 And our differentiated market position as the leading independent sell side advertising company puts us in a great place to accelerate growth and expand margins as the market improves. Speaker 300:17:50With that, let's open up the line for Q and A. Operator00:17:53Yes. Thank you. And the first question comes from Laura Martin with Needham. Speaker 400:18:17Hi there. Great beat and race quarter you guys. Congratulations. Speaker 200:18:21Thanks, Ward. Operator00:18:22Upfront week Speaker 400:18:22is with us. Upfront week is next week. I'd like to Drill down a little bit on Clearline. One is I know that Group N was your launch partner. Do you expect other partners in Clearline announced imminently? Speaker 400:18:34And What's your business model? How do you make money from the Clearline product? That's my first question. Speaker 200:18:40Yes. Hey, Laura, it's Michael. Yes, great question. So, yes, we're looking forward to upfronts. As we said in the script, programmatic Announcements regarding client adoption of Clearline, timing to be determined. Speaker 200:19:03But yes, the marketplace As we acted really positively and again to be clear, this is great for the industry because we're talking about Freeing up those linear dollars that have been clogged largely because of the inability to transfer On the fee structure that is currently in place in programmatic, so we think it's super exciting. As it relates to the fee Structure for Clearline, we're quite, facile about it. We would Charge advertiser percentage of media, a CPM based fee, a stats kind of base fee. So those Conversations are ongoing and we're quite flexible as it relates to what the model looks like. Speaker 400:19:52Terrific. And then on my second question is about the 2 service. I thought your point about ad service was really interesting. You said that you'd have sounds like a majority adoption of the combined new platform by the end of the second quarter. Is it your feeling that as we're modeling the back half, Therefore, we get to close down one of the 2 platforms and therefore there's cost savings in the back half of the year? Speaker 300:20:17Yes. This is David. Laura, that's correct. So we'll have decreased costs from fully shutting down The legacy on prem platform, it will be offset those costs will be offset slightly as the new Magnite streaming platform uses More cloud costs, so there will be some offset there. But, net net, it will decrease costs in Q3 and Q4. Speaker 400:20:43Great. Thanks very much guys. Appreciate it. Speaker 200:20:45Thank you. Thank you. See you next week. Operator00:20:49Thank you. And the next question comes from Shyam Patel with Susquehanna. Speaker 500:20:54Hey, guys. Great job on the results. Had a couple of questions. Michael, I know you guys talked about this in the script, But can you just talk a little bit more about how you're feeling about the CTV business right now? Obviously, you had a great quarter. Speaker 500:21:12But how are you just thinking about the CTV business for the balance of this year and kind of growth And how new initiatives like Clearline merely are into that? And then second question, we're hearing a lot about walled gardens potentially opening up. How big of a tailwind do you think that will be for you guys? And is this something that you think would impact The business in the near term or is it more kind of an intermediate to long term kind of business impact from walled gardens opening up? Thank you. Speaker 200:21:48Yes, great questions. I think CTV Growth, again, is kind of a victim Of the macro environment and you look at the linear companies that reported this week, all had a really tough quarter. You look at YouTube's number, you can kind of tease out Roku's number from their platform number. And it's all been kind of Some pretty decent headwinds. And although we showed low double digit growth, I think that we anticipate The business to continue to grow perhaps at that rate, perhaps a little more, a little less, but We're not in normal times. Speaker 200:22:30And so I think that we're still kind of facing that macro challenge. Upfronts will be very interesting to see On the strategy between buyer and seller and how much gets committed, how much doesn't, some of that could be a boon for CTV from a spot perspective, but more and more CTV is being included into the bigger picture of the future's kind of upfront model. So I think that we remain bullish long term on CTV. I just think we got to kind of muscle through the next couple of quarters from a macro standpoint. And as it relates to walled gardens, I mean, I think we're seeing some benefits immediately when certain platforms that We had kind of not been able to access are now opening up and we're able to pipe demand into it. Speaker 200:23:19So those are all good guys. I think generally speaking, the theme of the kind of demise of the walled garden is going to play itself out over time. So I think it's a longer term a good guy for us. But I think undoubtedly folks are seeing That creating a lot of hurdles and effort for buyers to plug into your really hard to run the table on premium video as a monopoly, and I think more and more folks are seeing that in order to Take full advantage and maximum monetization, you're going to have to open up and allow the whole ecosystem to be a part of it. Speaker 500:24:11Great. Thank you, guys. Operator00:24:14Thank you. And the next question comes from Jason Kreyer with Craig Hallum. Speaker 600:24:19Great. Thank you, guys. Nice quarter. Michael, you talked a few different times about programmatic taking a more prominent role in the upfronts. Just wondering if you can talk More about that, why the role is expanding this year and where you see the benefits to Magnite? Speaker 200:24:36Well, I think it's a combination of a couple of things, Jason. I think that publishers and buyers getting more comfortable with programmatic In high value inventory like CTV, desire of buyers Really wanting to use data overlaid buys from a targeting standpoint and publishers being more Acquiescent, given the environment that we're in and how powerful those agency dollars have become overnight, Given the kind of macro dampening of spend. And lastly, I think the efficacy of it Folks are seeing how well it can work. You look at someone like a Disney company that's that by 2025, the one over 50% of all their inventory sold programmatically. You don't have to look much further than the success that Hulu has had doing that to understand that there's a really nice way you can thread the needle Between direct sales, the traditional direct sales and upfront to overlaying that with programmatic combined with that. Speaker 600:25:49And then just between Clearline and OpenPath and I think we've seen other solutions Hit the market in this kind of end to end type of offering. Maybe what's the view of all these different solutions Over the next several years, like over the long term, how do you expect all this stuff to play out? Speaker 200:26:13I think that it's easier to comment upon our product than it is others. It won't stop me from doing it, but it's easier for me to do it. I don't know. With Clearline, there's a A stated goal in mind and that was our top publishers came to us and our top agency partners came to us and said, Hey, if we're really ever going to unlock those dollars that are being sold directly, in those dollars that are in the linear world that want to move into programmatic, But can't stomach the take rates that are normally associated with the programmatic buy. Can we just move them forward at a lower cost of service? Speaker 200:26:57And as you know, Clearline has been a product that we've been kind of dogfooding ourselves over the past year with our managed service team. They've been using that as their kind of buying tool to process our direct sold business. So we have a lot of experience with it. It's been really successful. We have an agency that's up and going on it that's had a great success and has been Singing its praises. Speaker 200:27:26So I think it will accomplish that goal. When I talked about market expansion, I meant it, and that is, I don't believe that that is the best use of programmatic longer term, just translating a direct sole deal to workflow through the pipes. I think we all believe in a world where there's data overlaid on it. We believe in a world in a biddable world, whether it's invite only auction or open auction. And I think those dollars will once they get acclimated into the programmatic ecosystem will expand into that and that prevents The bigger opportunity for monetization to publishers and DSP participation because there's as we said, until we're blue in the face, We ain't building a DSP here. Speaker 200:28:10What we're doing is building an on ramp to allow those dollars that are direct sold to be able to get into the ecosystem. And then once in there, We see them flourishing and going in a more programmatic kind of auction oriented world. Speaker 600:28:29All right. Always appreciate the thoughts. Thank you, Michael. Speaker 200:28:32Thanks, man. Operator00:28:34Thank you. The next question comes from Nick Bangla with Stephens. Speaker 700:28:39Yes. Hey, guys. Just on Clearline, just delving deeper here. How would you describe the difference between an agency buying CTV ad inventory directly As they do now from publishers versus buying on Clearline. Obviously, I see the benefit of wanting to buy on Clearline versus DSP because you could avoid some of the higher take rates, but just trying to better understand why They need to make that shift from buying directly from publishers and instead utilize Clearline, obviously, low take rates in, I think, both cases. Speaker 700:29:18But what's the real benefit of driving those that ad spend from direct into the Clearline channel? Speaker 200:29:26Yes, Nick, it's a great question. I think some of it just goes to the heart of and that going through every bells and whistle about it. But the real heart of it is This ability to overlay data to it, right? If you buy direct from a publisher, you're basically buying Audience segments that have been defined by the publisher and whether it's day parted or whatever the case might be, it's just a very traditional way of doing it. And if you buy through Clearline, you're starting to get those programmatic capabilities of data targeting, audience segmentation that involves Advertiser data and publisher data mixed in to create unique segments to purchase. Speaker 200:30:07So I think you're starting to get a level of data overlay and targeting that aren't available to you if you were just to place an ad insertion with ad server. Speaker 700:30:21Okay. So that makes sense. But then, so I understand those benefits. But then I guess the next question is then, How would you compare the Clearline offering with potential targets, targeting specific audiences, maybe Providing some measurable feedback versus what the DSPs offer, right? Because now you're talking, if you're going To Clearline, obviously, you get a lower take rate, but just how would you compare what a DSP offers from a targeting measurable feedback opportunity versus what Clearline offers. Speaker 200:30:57Yes, another great question. And again, each DSP is slightly different. But Listen, I would say that there's comparable value proposition when you're talking about just translating what is kind of a straight up Kind of audience buy, that you would normally do direct To what Clearline could do versus what a DSP could do at that level. But where DSPs shine in Sell is when it starts to come to finding audiences across A wider array of inventory and in a biddable format, right? And so we're just really talking about Training wheels probably used in the right way, but it's the lowest form of programmatic, right? Speaker 200:31:52It's mostly workflow with some data Versus what a DSP would provide, which is a robust full fledged offering across the spectrum Of ways that you can buy purchase programmatically. Speaker 700:32:08Got it. And then for publishers, obviously, the draw is for Clearline is just, hey, Why not open myself up to yet another source of demand? And I'd assume there's limited hurdles in getting a publisher set up with Clearline? Speaker 200:32:22That's exactly right. Yes. Speaker 700:32:25Got it. Awesome. Thanks guys. Appreciate it. Speaker 200:32:28Thanks, Nate. Operator00:32:30Thank you. And the next question comes from Matt Swanson with RBC Capital Markets. Speaker 800:32:35Yes. Thanks for taking my questions. Congratulations on the quarter, I guess, to be the first thing. If we look back kind of to mid February to the strong results It might be hard to parse it out, but I mean how much of it was the macro performing better than expected versus your company specific execution? Obviously, it kind A bit of both to deliver results like this. Speaker 200:33:00Yes. I mean, I think if you look across the All the folks that have printed this week and last week, I think you're certainly seeing a market share acceleration for Magnite. And listen, we benefited from a freshening ad spend environment like everyone. Like if you When we talked about the end of Q4 going into Q1 last year, the end of December and the beginning January, we're quite dismal, painting a pretty bleak picture for 2023. And then you start to see things pick up in February And in March and continuing. Speaker 200:33:42And so I think that we certainly benefited from that, but I think we punched above our weight. And if you look at other people's performance, ours excelled. So kudos to the team for Doing things that others aren't and taking share. Speaker 800:34:02And then both for the quarter, but then also for the Q2 You guide adjusted EBITDA was really strong relative to some of the headwinds we had talked about with the platforms coming together. Is that just kind of a product of the top line outperformance? And then obviously, it's the structure you have We'll drop that down to the bottom line or was there anything else like maybe more efficiencies than you expected from combining the platforms? Speaker 300:34:30Yes, Matt, it's David. I'll take that. Yes, that's exactly right. It's top line over performance dropping through to the bottom line. Speaker 800:34:41All right. Appreciate it. Operator00:34:44Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. And the next question comes from Dan Day with B. Riley FBR. Speaker 900:34:52Yes. Good afternoon, guys. Thanks for taking the question. So, just at face value, You've rolled out Clearline. Product had activated earlier this week. Speaker 900:35:01Just it seems like they're going after similar markets, maybe just compare and contrast those. You touched on it earlier in the Q and A, but I'll ask it a little more directly. Speaker 200:35:14I'm sorry, again, so the question was the difference between Speaker 100:35:19the mix product mix? Yes, comparing interest, Speaker 900:35:21Yes. Yes. Comparing interest, activate. Speaker 200:35:23Yes. I mean, it's kind of hard to contrast to a product that isn't in the market yet, Ours has been up and operating for over a year. But that said, my understanding from the call and from reading about it is that They're quite excited about the opportunity in CTV like we are. But I would caution that No matter how great your buyer interface might be or the tools or the bells and whistles, you need to have access to That's CTV supply. So if you're talking about transitioning linear dollars that are used to buying broadcast and used to buying high quality inventory To the programmatic world, well, you're going to want to buy that same inventory. Speaker 200:36:07And so you better have access to that supply. And I think we feel really, really good about our differentiated position there that we have access to that supply. It's sitting on the platform. Folks know us as those that player that has that supply in the platform. And so I think it's a very different conversation that we will have With buyers than anyone else in the space. Speaker 900:36:31Thanks, Michael. Just one follow-up. You spent a lot On the convert buybacks this quarter, just maybe think about that versus the common. Do you have a specific goal of getting the convertible debt down to a certain level? What is it that might make you more inclined to turn that repurchase back to the common? Speaker 300:36:53Yes. We think that given our overall debt quantum, it's just prudent to continue to Reduce that overall level of debt. We have a target to get our net leverage ratio well below 2x and We don't see significant debt as a future long term component of our capital And so the converts in particular have a due date to fill a ways off in early 2006, so we think it's prudent To reduce that tranche of our debt that has the earliest due date and so our focus is there. There's also a significant discount to face value. So we're able to purchase that at a 19% discount. Speaker 300:37:47And so it's Guaranteed accretion there and so we took the sure bet on that. Speaker 900:37:56All right. Thanks. I'll turn it over. Speaker 200:37:59Thanks, Tim. Operator00:38:01Thank you. The next question comes from Sweta Kajuria with Evercore ISI. Speaker 600:38:22All right. Speaker 1000:38:22Could you hear me? Sorry. Speaker 600:38:23Yes. I can hear you. Speaker 200:38:24Now we can. Speaker 1000:38:26Okay. Sorry about that. I'm asking a question for Shraddha here. What's the difference between Speaker 200:38:37Yes. Hi. We hit that a couple of questions ago, and It's quite difficult to answer that question given the fact that they just announced it yesterday, and It's kind of not even in market yet where ours has been up and going for over a year. So ultimately, we feel like In order to move those dollars over that are being transacted directly, particularly in CTV, The difference maker will be access to supply and we feel very good about our position there in terms of access to the premium CTV inventory That these buyers want Speaker 800:39:17to purchase. Speaker 1000:39:20Thank you. Is there anything you can share on the ad demand Trend quarter to date? Speaker 300:39:30Sorry, I didn't could you say that again? I couldn't quite understand that. Speaker 1000:39:34Is there anything you can share on ad demand trend quarter to date? Speaker 200:39:42Nothing that we haven't talked about in the script. Okay. Speaker 1000:39:46Thanks. Speaker 200:39:47You're welcome. Operator00:39:49Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the floor to Michael Barrett for any closing comments. Speaker 200:39:56Thanks so much, Keith. Bear with me. Yes. So I'd like to thank our great Magna team for putting up another strong quarter and working hard behind the scenes to deliver. Have a great opportunity ahead of us to continue to gain share, advance the ad supported CTV market and its transition from linear and accelerate our growth when the market begins to recover. Speaker 200:40:20We look to reward shareholders that support us along this journey. We look forward to speaking with many of you at our upcoming investor events. SIG will host our post Q1 virtual investor meetings tomorrow. We'll be attending the Needham Conference in New York on May 17, the B. Riley Conference in Beverly Hills on May 25, The Craig Hallum Conference in Minneapolis on May 31st and the Evercore Conference in New York also on May 31st. Speaker 200:40:49We will also be participating in meetings with SIG in Boston on June 5th and in Chicago with Stephens on June 6th. Have a great evening. Thank you. Operator00:41:00Thank you. The conference is now open. Speaker 1000:41:02Everyone else has left the call. Operator00:41:07Thank you for attending today's presentation. 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There are 11 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00And welcome to the Magnite First Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask Please note, today's event is being recorded. And now I'd like to turn the conference over to your host today, Nick Carmelukin, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 100:00:31Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Magnite's First Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. Joining me on the call today are Michael Barrett, CEO and David Day, our CFO. I would like to point out that we have posted financial highlights slides on our Investor Relations website to accompany today's presentation. Speaker 100:00:49Before we get started, I will remind you that our prepared remarks Answers to questions will include information that might be considered to be forward looking statements, including but not limited to statements concerning our anticipated financial performance and strategic objectives, including the potential impacts of macroeconomic factors on our business. These statements are not guarantees of future performance. They reflect our current views with respect to future events Based on assumptions and estimates and subject to known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause our actual results, performance or achievements to be materially different from expectations All results projected or implied by forward looking statements. A discussion of these and other risks, uncertainties and assumptions is set forth in the company's periodic Reports filed with the SEC, including our Q1 2023 quarterly report on Form 10 Q and our 2022 annual report on Form 10 ks. We undertake no obligation to update forward looking statements or relevant risks. Speaker 100:01:43Our commentary today will include non GAAP financial measures, including revenue ex or less traffic acquisition costs, adjusted EBITDA and non GAAP income per share. Reconciliations between GAAP And non GAAP metrics for our reported results can be found in our earnings press release and in the financial highlights deck that is posted on our Investor Relations website. At times, in response to your questions, we may offer incremental metrics to provide greater insights into the dynamics of our business. Please be advised that this additional detail may be one time in And we may or may not provide an update on the future of these metrics. I encourage you to visit our Investor Relations website to access our press release, financial highlights deck, I will now turn the call over to Michael. Speaker 100:02:26Please go ahead. Speaker 200:02:27Thank you, Nick. Q1 was a standout quarter for Magnite. Revenue ex TAC grew 8%, CTV revenue ex TAC grew 10%, Adjusted EBITDA came in at $23,000,000 and we posted an adjusted EBITDA margin of 20%, all exceeding our guidance for the quarter. We continue to demonstrate the value of a differentiated strategic sell side partner in the ad tech ecosystem. Our growth and outperformance relative to Walled Gardens and numerous peers in Q1 is further evidence that our strategy is working And there is a big opportunity for a leading sell side platform to serve the open Internet. Speaker 200:03:13It is most evident in CTV, where having an ad service becoming critical to long term success given that so much inventory is still transacted directly. CTV Publishers require a fully integrated offering that maximizes yield Across our portfolio of programmatic and direct inventory, providing tremendous performance advantages. At an increasing pace, we are seeing undifferentiated SSP struggle as they are unable to serve customers in new formats And we believe there are significant opportunities for market share gain in the future. As we look forward, our growth expectations for 2023 have improved from our last update, and we expect this strength to continue throughout the year. David will provide greater detail on our financial results and future outlook in his prepared remarks. Speaker 200:04:24Our CTV results were propelled by strong performance in our Spring Serve ad server business And by our managed service business where we saw good traction with new and existing partners. We've had success this quarter with our lead partners in CTV that include LG, Vizio, Group M, Disney, Fox and Roku, Who recently announced changes to their go to market strategy. Our momentum with these partners is very visible With our active participation in the upfronts and new fronts that have recently kicked off, we're programmatic continues to play a bigger role, especially as it relates to direct deals. On the new CTV partner front, Rakuten TV, one of the leading video on demand platforms in Europe, recently adopted the SpringServe Tile solution. As a reminder, this proprietary ad unit provides publishers with the flexibility to showcase custom ad creative Within the streaming interface in any size in a wide variety of formats. Speaker 200:05:33Rakuten joins VIZIO and others We are now leveraging Tyals to create incremental revenue opportunities and enhance the advertising experience Business. DBplus revenue ex TAC grew 7% year over year, showing further improvement in share gains. We have seen broad based improvement this quarter across many of the leading DSP partners we work with. As I have mentioned in the past, TV plus growth is a result of many incremental wins as we drive further improvements in the quarters to come. We had a very busy quarter from a platform perspective. Speaker 200:06:32In February, we officially launched Magnite Streaming. Magnite Streaming is our next generation Customer feedback so far has been very positive. Migrations to date have gone very well and we expect to have all migrations completed Shortly after the end of Q2 as planned. On the product front, we also announced the launch of ClearLine in early April. ClearLine is a self-service solution that provides agencies direct access to buy premium video inventory across all Magnite Publishers And is ad server agnostic. Speaker 200:07:21Clearline significantly increases spend going towards working media, Makes it easier for sellers and agencies to securely share data and helps Magnate Publishers generate more revenue and develop new sources of unique demand. This product captures CTV ad dollars that have traditionally been transacted outside The programmatic channel through direct deals and therefore represents an incremental opportunity To bring additional ad spend into the ecosystem, in addition to our agency launch partners, We have received positive feedback from publishers as well who see this as a potential alternative to drive additional revenue. ClearLine has been portrayed by some in the press as an alternative to DSPs. This couldn't be further from the truth. ESPs will remain the primary method for agencies to access premium video inventory on our platforms. Speaker 200:08:25Clearline represents a programmatic market expansion for publishers, agencies and DSPs. We are excited to share more details on ClearAlliance traction in the coming quarters. Also on the technology front, we announced that Spring Serv will be joining the Amazon Publisher Services or APS, Add server certification program for streaming TV. Working with APS Through this certification program is a significant opportunity for our SpringServe publishers as it will add Amazon DSP demand to their existing monetization solutions. We've been doing a lot of work behind the scenes in CTV audience creation and targeting, Helping media owners extract greater value from their first party publisher data, while carefully protecting The confidentiality of their user IDs. Speaker 200:09:25This is a big shift from the browser world to display an online video With the buy side, we typically perform this work through 3rd party cookies. More to come on this in the quarters ahead. Before I turn it over to David to cover the financials, I'd like to mention the promotion of David Bonasera to the role of Magnite's new CTO. He's been pretty busy as you can see from the platform and partner developments I just covered. David joined the company in 2021 When we acquired SpringServe, which he helped cofound and scale to a leader in video ad serving with an impressive global client list. Speaker 200:10:08Prior to his appointment as our CTO, David was serving as a member of our office of the CTO As well as leading our SpringServe and CTV platform engineering efforts. He is a phenomenal leader and technologist, And we're thrilled to have someone with David's unique experience and capabilities lead our Global Technology Welcome, David. With that, I'll turn the call over to David Day for more details on the financials. David? Speaker 300:10:41Thanks, Michael. Q1 finished with strong momentum. As Michael mentioned, revenue ex TAC, Adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin all exceeded our guidance for the quarter. Total revenue for Q1 was $130,000,000 Revenue ex TAC was $116,000,000 up 8% from Q1 of 2022. CTV revenue ex TAC was $46,000,000 up from $42,000,000 or 10% from last year. Speaker 300:11:13DBplus revenue ex TAC was $70,000,000,000 an increase of 7% compared to Q1 last year. Automotive, travel and food and beverage were our top growth verticals for the quarter. Consumer categories such as technology, retail and health and fitness made more modest improvements. Our revenue ex TAC mix for Q1 was 40% CTV, 40% mobile And 20% desktop. From a geographic perspective, we saw good international growth that was roughly double the growth rate of the U. Speaker 300:11:49S. Total operating expenses, which includes cost of revenue for the Q1 increased to $231,000,000 compared to $158,000,000 in the same period a year ago, with the increase primarily driven by 53,000,000 dollars of non cash accelerated amortization resulting from our platform consolidation. Adjusted EBITDA operating expense was $93,000,000 and within our guidance range. This was an increase of less than 1% We would typically see a bigger increase seasonally, but the impact was offset by our risk actions. The increase from $78,000,000 in Q1 of last year resulted from increased platform and personnel expenses, along with return to office, travel and event related costs. Speaker 300:12:40Net loss was $99,000,000 for the quarter compared to net loss for the Q1 of 2022 of $45,000,000 which includes the previously mentioned $53,000,000 of accelerated amortization expense. Adjusted EBITDA was $29,000,000 for the same period last year and adjusted EBITDA margin was 20%. Note that we calculate our adjusted EBITDA margin as a percentage of revenue ex TAC. GAAP loss per basic and diluted share was $0.73 for the Q1 of 2023 compared to a loss of $0.34 for the Q1 in 2022. Non GAAP earnings per share in the Q1 of 2023 was $0.04 compared to $0.08 reported last year. Speaker 300:13:27The $53,000,000 of accelerated amortization expense had a negative impact on GAAP loss per share of $0.39 and a negative impact on non GAAP earnings per share of $0.09 in Q1. The reconciliations to non GAAP income and non GAAP Earnings per share are included with our Q1 results press release. We expect to recognize additional accelerated amortization expense $53,000,000 in Q2 $8,000,000 in Q3 this year. There were 135,000,000 weighted average basic and diluted shares outstanding for the first Quarter of 2023. Fully diluted weighted average shares utilized for non GAAP earnings per share were $144,000,000 for the Q1. Speaker 300:14:12Capital expenditures, including both purchases of property and equipment and capitalized internal use software development costs We're $10,000,000 for the quarter. Operating cash flow, which we define as adjusted EBITDA less CapEx was $14,000,000 for the quarter. Our net interest expense for the quarter was $8,000,000 During the Q1, we purchased and retired Approximately $50,000,000 in face value of our convertible notes using approximately $41,000,000 in cash, resulting in a discount of approximately 19%. We have $34,000,000 remaining under our current program Cash balance at the end of Q1 was $237,000,000 The reduction from year end is based on use of cash for the repurchase of our convertible notes, typical seasonality and timing of receivable payments around quarter end. Our net leverage ratio was approximately 2.5x at the end of Q1, down from 3.1x year over year. Speaker 300:15:20We expect the ratio to be meaningfully below 2x@yearend. We are excited about our business and ability to generate Strong cash flow, while providing the flexibility to reduce debt and maintain a healthy cash position. We continue to expect to generate significant free cash in 2023, especially in our seasonally strong second half, And we will continue to evaluate the best use of our cash as it relates to debt reduction and share repurchases. I will now share our expectations for the Q2 and thoughts for the year. Our guidance is based on recent growth trends, although we have been somewhat measured due to the continued uncertainty in the macro environment. Speaker 300:16:07For the Q2, we expect revenue ex TAP To be in the range of $132,000,000 to $136,000,000 We expect revenue ex TAC attributable to CTV To be in the range of $56,000,000 to $58,000,000 we expect adjusted EBITDA operating expenses to increase slightly from Q1 to between $94,000,000 $96,000,000 which implies adjusted EBITDA margin of approximately 29% for Q2 at the midpoints. For 2023, we expect our revenue ex TAC growth rate for the full year To be in the high single digits assuming current course and speed. We expect that adjusted EBITDA OpEx will be lower in the second We anticipate full year adjusted EBITDA will be comparable or better than 2022 and that adjusted EBITDA margins will show meaningful improvement in the second half of twenty twenty three. Our full CapEx Expectation is unchanged and we expect $40,000,000 or less in 2023. And lastly, we continue to expect Full year free cash flow to exceed $100,000,000 Q1 performance gives us a great start to 2023 And our differentiated market position as the leading independent sell side advertising company puts us in a great place to accelerate growth and expand margins as the market improves. Speaker 300:17:50With that, let's open up the line for Q and A. Operator00:17:53Yes. Thank you. And the first question comes from Laura Martin with Needham. Speaker 400:18:17Hi there. Great beat and race quarter you guys. Congratulations. Speaker 200:18:21Thanks, Ward. Operator00:18:22Upfront week Speaker 400:18:22is with us. Upfront week is next week. I'd like to Drill down a little bit on Clearline. One is I know that Group N was your launch partner. Do you expect other partners in Clearline announced imminently? Speaker 400:18:34And What's your business model? How do you make money from the Clearline product? That's my first question. Speaker 200:18:40Yes. Hey, Laura, it's Michael. Yes, great question. So, yes, we're looking forward to upfronts. As we said in the script, programmatic Announcements regarding client adoption of Clearline, timing to be determined. Speaker 200:19:03But yes, the marketplace As we acted really positively and again to be clear, this is great for the industry because we're talking about Freeing up those linear dollars that have been clogged largely because of the inability to transfer On the fee structure that is currently in place in programmatic, so we think it's super exciting. As it relates to the fee Structure for Clearline, we're quite, facile about it. We would Charge advertiser percentage of media, a CPM based fee, a stats kind of base fee. So those Conversations are ongoing and we're quite flexible as it relates to what the model looks like. Speaker 400:19:52Terrific. And then on my second question is about the 2 service. I thought your point about ad service was really interesting. You said that you'd have sounds like a majority adoption of the combined new platform by the end of the second quarter. Is it your feeling that as we're modeling the back half, Therefore, we get to close down one of the 2 platforms and therefore there's cost savings in the back half of the year? Speaker 300:20:17Yes. This is David. Laura, that's correct. So we'll have decreased costs from fully shutting down The legacy on prem platform, it will be offset those costs will be offset slightly as the new Magnite streaming platform uses More cloud costs, so there will be some offset there. But, net net, it will decrease costs in Q3 and Q4. Speaker 400:20:43Great. Thanks very much guys. Appreciate it. Speaker 200:20:45Thank you. Thank you. See you next week. Operator00:20:49Thank you. And the next question comes from Shyam Patel with Susquehanna. Speaker 500:20:54Hey, guys. Great job on the results. Had a couple of questions. Michael, I know you guys talked about this in the script, But can you just talk a little bit more about how you're feeling about the CTV business right now? Obviously, you had a great quarter. Speaker 500:21:12But how are you just thinking about the CTV business for the balance of this year and kind of growth And how new initiatives like Clearline merely are into that? And then second question, we're hearing a lot about walled gardens potentially opening up. How big of a tailwind do you think that will be for you guys? And is this something that you think would impact The business in the near term or is it more kind of an intermediate to long term kind of business impact from walled gardens opening up? Thank you. Speaker 200:21:48Yes, great questions. I think CTV Growth, again, is kind of a victim Of the macro environment and you look at the linear companies that reported this week, all had a really tough quarter. You look at YouTube's number, you can kind of tease out Roku's number from their platform number. And it's all been kind of Some pretty decent headwinds. And although we showed low double digit growth, I think that we anticipate The business to continue to grow perhaps at that rate, perhaps a little more, a little less, but We're not in normal times. Speaker 200:22:30And so I think that we're still kind of facing that macro challenge. Upfronts will be very interesting to see On the strategy between buyer and seller and how much gets committed, how much doesn't, some of that could be a boon for CTV from a spot perspective, but more and more CTV is being included into the bigger picture of the future's kind of upfront model. So I think that we remain bullish long term on CTV. I just think we got to kind of muscle through the next couple of quarters from a macro standpoint. And as it relates to walled gardens, I mean, I think we're seeing some benefits immediately when certain platforms that We had kind of not been able to access are now opening up and we're able to pipe demand into it. Speaker 200:23:19So those are all good guys. I think generally speaking, the theme of the kind of demise of the walled garden is going to play itself out over time. So I think it's a longer term a good guy for us. But I think undoubtedly folks are seeing That creating a lot of hurdles and effort for buyers to plug into your really hard to run the table on premium video as a monopoly, and I think more and more folks are seeing that in order to Take full advantage and maximum monetization, you're going to have to open up and allow the whole ecosystem to be a part of it. Speaker 500:24:11Great. Thank you, guys. Operator00:24:14Thank you. And the next question comes from Jason Kreyer with Craig Hallum. Speaker 600:24:19Great. Thank you, guys. Nice quarter. Michael, you talked a few different times about programmatic taking a more prominent role in the upfronts. Just wondering if you can talk More about that, why the role is expanding this year and where you see the benefits to Magnite? Speaker 200:24:36Well, I think it's a combination of a couple of things, Jason. I think that publishers and buyers getting more comfortable with programmatic In high value inventory like CTV, desire of buyers Really wanting to use data overlaid buys from a targeting standpoint and publishers being more Acquiescent, given the environment that we're in and how powerful those agency dollars have become overnight, Given the kind of macro dampening of spend. And lastly, I think the efficacy of it Folks are seeing how well it can work. You look at someone like a Disney company that's that by 2025, the one over 50% of all their inventory sold programmatically. You don't have to look much further than the success that Hulu has had doing that to understand that there's a really nice way you can thread the needle Between direct sales, the traditional direct sales and upfront to overlaying that with programmatic combined with that. Speaker 600:25:49And then just between Clearline and OpenPath and I think we've seen other solutions Hit the market in this kind of end to end type of offering. Maybe what's the view of all these different solutions Over the next several years, like over the long term, how do you expect all this stuff to play out? Speaker 200:26:13I think that it's easier to comment upon our product than it is others. It won't stop me from doing it, but it's easier for me to do it. I don't know. With Clearline, there's a A stated goal in mind and that was our top publishers came to us and our top agency partners came to us and said, Hey, if we're really ever going to unlock those dollars that are being sold directly, in those dollars that are in the linear world that want to move into programmatic, But can't stomach the take rates that are normally associated with the programmatic buy. Can we just move them forward at a lower cost of service? Speaker 200:26:57And as you know, Clearline has been a product that we've been kind of dogfooding ourselves over the past year with our managed service team. They've been using that as their kind of buying tool to process our direct sold business. So we have a lot of experience with it. It's been really successful. We have an agency that's up and going on it that's had a great success and has been Singing its praises. Speaker 200:27:26So I think it will accomplish that goal. When I talked about market expansion, I meant it, and that is, I don't believe that that is the best use of programmatic longer term, just translating a direct sole deal to workflow through the pipes. I think we all believe in a world where there's data overlaid on it. We believe in a world in a biddable world, whether it's invite only auction or open auction. And I think those dollars will once they get acclimated into the programmatic ecosystem will expand into that and that prevents The bigger opportunity for monetization to publishers and DSP participation because there's as we said, until we're blue in the face, We ain't building a DSP here. Speaker 200:28:10What we're doing is building an on ramp to allow those dollars that are direct sold to be able to get into the ecosystem. And then once in there, We see them flourishing and going in a more programmatic kind of auction oriented world. Speaker 600:28:29All right. Always appreciate the thoughts. Thank you, Michael. Speaker 200:28:32Thanks, man. Operator00:28:34Thank you. The next question comes from Nick Bangla with Stephens. Speaker 700:28:39Yes. Hey, guys. Just on Clearline, just delving deeper here. How would you describe the difference between an agency buying CTV ad inventory directly As they do now from publishers versus buying on Clearline. Obviously, I see the benefit of wanting to buy on Clearline versus DSP because you could avoid some of the higher take rates, but just trying to better understand why They need to make that shift from buying directly from publishers and instead utilize Clearline, obviously, low take rates in, I think, both cases. Speaker 700:29:18But what's the real benefit of driving those that ad spend from direct into the Clearline channel? Speaker 200:29:26Yes, Nick, it's a great question. I think some of it just goes to the heart of and that going through every bells and whistle about it. But the real heart of it is This ability to overlay data to it, right? If you buy direct from a publisher, you're basically buying Audience segments that have been defined by the publisher and whether it's day parted or whatever the case might be, it's just a very traditional way of doing it. And if you buy through Clearline, you're starting to get those programmatic capabilities of data targeting, audience segmentation that involves Advertiser data and publisher data mixed in to create unique segments to purchase. Speaker 200:30:07So I think you're starting to get a level of data overlay and targeting that aren't available to you if you were just to place an ad insertion with ad server. Speaker 700:30:21Okay. So that makes sense. But then, so I understand those benefits. But then I guess the next question is then, How would you compare the Clearline offering with potential targets, targeting specific audiences, maybe Providing some measurable feedback versus what the DSPs offer, right? Because now you're talking, if you're going To Clearline, obviously, you get a lower take rate, but just how would you compare what a DSP offers from a targeting measurable feedback opportunity versus what Clearline offers. Speaker 200:30:57Yes, another great question. And again, each DSP is slightly different. But Listen, I would say that there's comparable value proposition when you're talking about just translating what is kind of a straight up Kind of audience buy, that you would normally do direct To what Clearline could do versus what a DSP could do at that level. But where DSPs shine in Sell is when it starts to come to finding audiences across A wider array of inventory and in a biddable format, right? And so we're just really talking about Training wheels probably used in the right way, but it's the lowest form of programmatic, right? Speaker 200:31:52It's mostly workflow with some data Versus what a DSP would provide, which is a robust full fledged offering across the spectrum Of ways that you can buy purchase programmatically. Speaker 700:32:08Got it. And then for publishers, obviously, the draw is for Clearline is just, hey, Why not open myself up to yet another source of demand? And I'd assume there's limited hurdles in getting a publisher set up with Clearline? Speaker 200:32:22That's exactly right. Yes. Speaker 700:32:25Got it. Awesome. Thanks guys. Appreciate it. Speaker 200:32:28Thanks, Nate. Operator00:32:30Thank you. And the next question comes from Matt Swanson with RBC Capital Markets. Speaker 800:32:35Yes. Thanks for taking my questions. Congratulations on the quarter, I guess, to be the first thing. If we look back kind of to mid February to the strong results It might be hard to parse it out, but I mean how much of it was the macro performing better than expected versus your company specific execution? Obviously, it kind A bit of both to deliver results like this. Speaker 200:33:00Yes. I mean, I think if you look across the All the folks that have printed this week and last week, I think you're certainly seeing a market share acceleration for Magnite. And listen, we benefited from a freshening ad spend environment like everyone. Like if you When we talked about the end of Q4 going into Q1 last year, the end of December and the beginning January, we're quite dismal, painting a pretty bleak picture for 2023. And then you start to see things pick up in February And in March and continuing. Speaker 200:33:42And so I think that we certainly benefited from that, but I think we punched above our weight. And if you look at other people's performance, ours excelled. So kudos to the team for Doing things that others aren't and taking share. Speaker 800:34:02And then both for the quarter, but then also for the Q2 You guide adjusted EBITDA was really strong relative to some of the headwinds we had talked about with the platforms coming together. Is that just kind of a product of the top line outperformance? And then obviously, it's the structure you have We'll drop that down to the bottom line or was there anything else like maybe more efficiencies than you expected from combining the platforms? Speaker 300:34:30Yes, Matt, it's David. I'll take that. Yes, that's exactly right. It's top line over performance dropping through to the bottom line. Speaker 800:34:41All right. Appreciate it. Operator00:34:44Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. And the next question comes from Dan Day with B. Riley FBR. Speaker 900:34:52Yes. Good afternoon, guys. Thanks for taking the question. So, just at face value, You've rolled out Clearline. Product had activated earlier this week. Speaker 900:35:01Just it seems like they're going after similar markets, maybe just compare and contrast those. You touched on it earlier in the Q and A, but I'll ask it a little more directly. Speaker 200:35:14I'm sorry, again, so the question was the difference between Speaker 100:35:19the mix product mix? Yes, comparing interest, Speaker 900:35:21Yes. Yes. Comparing interest, activate. Speaker 200:35:23Yes. I mean, it's kind of hard to contrast to a product that isn't in the market yet, Ours has been up and operating for over a year. But that said, my understanding from the call and from reading about it is that They're quite excited about the opportunity in CTV like we are. But I would caution that No matter how great your buyer interface might be or the tools or the bells and whistles, you need to have access to That's CTV supply. So if you're talking about transitioning linear dollars that are used to buying broadcast and used to buying high quality inventory To the programmatic world, well, you're going to want to buy that same inventory. Speaker 200:36:07And so you better have access to that supply. And I think we feel really, really good about our differentiated position there that we have access to that supply. It's sitting on the platform. Folks know us as those that player that has that supply in the platform. And so I think it's a very different conversation that we will have With buyers than anyone else in the space. Speaker 900:36:31Thanks, Michael. Just one follow-up. You spent a lot On the convert buybacks this quarter, just maybe think about that versus the common. Do you have a specific goal of getting the convertible debt down to a certain level? What is it that might make you more inclined to turn that repurchase back to the common? Speaker 300:36:53Yes. We think that given our overall debt quantum, it's just prudent to continue to Reduce that overall level of debt. We have a target to get our net leverage ratio well below 2x and We don't see significant debt as a future long term component of our capital And so the converts in particular have a due date to fill a ways off in early 2006, so we think it's prudent To reduce that tranche of our debt that has the earliest due date and so our focus is there. There's also a significant discount to face value. So we're able to purchase that at a 19% discount. Speaker 300:37:47And so it's Guaranteed accretion there and so we took the sure bet on that. Speaker 900:37:56All right. Thanks. I'll turn it over. Speaker 200:37:59Thanks, Tim. Operator00:38:01Thank you. The next question comes from Sweta Kajuria with Evercore ISI. Speaker 600:38:22All right. Speaker 1000:38:22Could you hear me? Sorry. Speaker 600:38:23Yes. I can hear you. Speaker 200:38:24Now we can. Speaker 1000:38:26Okay. Sorry about that. I'm asking a question for Shraddha here. What's the difference between Speaker 200:38:37Yes. Hi. We hit that a couple of questions ago, and It's quite difficult to answer that question given the fact that they just announced it yesterday, and It's kind of not even in market yet where ours has been up and going for over a year. So ultimately, we feel like In order to move those dollars over that are being transacted directly, particularly in CTV, The difference maker will be access to supply and we feel very good about our position there in terms of access to the premium CTV inventory That these buyers want Speaker 800:39:17to purchase. Speaker 1000:39:20Thank you. Is there anything you can share on the ad demand Trend quarter to date? Speaker 300:39:30Sorry, I didn't could you say that again? I couldn't quite understand that. Speaker 1000:39:34Is there anything you can share on ad demand trend quarter to date? Speaker 200:39:42Nothing that we haven't talked about in the script. Okay. Speaker 1000:39:46Thanks. Speaker 200:39:47You're welcome. Operator00:39:49Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the floor to Michael Barrett for any closing comments. Speaker 200:39:56Thanks so much, Keith. Bear with me. Yes. So I'd like to thank our great Magna team for putting up another strong quarter and working hard behind the scenes to deliver. Have a great opportunity ahead of us to continue to gain share, advance the ad supported CTV market and its transition from linear and accelerate our growth when the market begins to recover. Speaker 200:40:20We look to reward shareholders that support us along this journey. We look forward to speaking with many of you at our upcoming investor events. SIG will host our post Q1 virtual investor meetings tomorrow. We'll be attending the Needham Conference in New York on May 17, the B. Riley Conference in Beverly Hills on May 25, The Craig Hallum Conference in Minneapolis on May 31st and the Evercore Conference in New York also on May 31st. Speaker 200:40:49We will also be participating in meetings with SIG in Boston on June 5th and in Chicago with Stephens on June 6th. Have a great evening. Thank you. Operator00:41:00Thank you. The conference is now open. 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