NYSE:RSI Rush Street Interactive Q2 2023 Earnings Report $14.88 -0.02 (-0.13%) Closing price 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$14.88 +0.00 (+0.03%) As of 06:45 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Rush Street Interactive EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.08Consensus EPS -$0.11Beat/MissBeat by +$0.03One Year Ago EPSN/ARush Street Interactive Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$165.06 millionExpected Revenue$158.97 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$6.09 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ARush Street Interactive Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2023Date8/2/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateWednesday, August 2, 2023Conference Call Time5:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsRush Street Interactive's Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, July 30, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 6:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Rush Street Interactive Q2 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 2, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Revenue: Q2 2023 revenue was $165.1 M, up 15% YoY and exceeding Street consensus. Adjusted EBITDA: Turned positive at $1.2 M in Q2 versus an $18.6 M loss last year, and full-year revenue guidance was raised to $650–$690 M. Operational leverage: Marketing spend fell 9% YoY to $40.4 M and G&A rose modestly, driving a 640 bps gross margin improvement to 33.6%. Market growth: US markets launched after 2020 plus international grew 35% YoY in Q2; Ontario player value is over 2× competitors, Colombia revenues rose 30%, and Mexico is set to ramp in H2. Product innovation: New prop-bet list views lifted baseball props by 60% YoY, NBA “Squares” drove same-game parlays +150%, and jackpot hot-mode enhanced iCasino engagement. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallRush Street Interactive Q2 202300:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xThere are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Rush Street Interactive Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. Operator00:00:18Please note that this conference call is being recorded today, August 2, 2023. I will now turn the call over to Kyle Sauers, Chief Financial Officer. You may proceed. Speaker 100:00:33Thank you, operator, and good afternoon. By now, everyone should have access to our Q2 2023 earnings release. It can be found under the heading Financials quarterly results in the Investors section of the RSI website atrushstreetinteractive.com. Some of our comments will be forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. Forward looking statements are not statements of historical fact and are usually identified By the use of words such as will, expect, should or other similar phrases and are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from what we expect. Speaker 100:01:10We assume no responsibility for updating any forward looking statements. Therefore, you that could impact our future operating results and financial condition. During the call, we will discuss our non GAAP measures, which we believe can be useful in evaluating the company's operating performance. These measures should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for our financial results prepared in accordance with GAAP. A reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measure is available in our Q2 2023 earnings release and our investor deck, which is available on the Investors section of the RSI website atrustreinteractive.com. Speaker 100:01:56With me on the call today, we have Richard Schwartz, Chief Executive Officer, we will first provide some opening remarks and then open the call to questions. With that, I'll turn the call over to Richard. Speaker 200:02:06Thanks, Kyle. Good afternoon and thank you for joining us today as we discuss our Q2 2023 results. As an organization, we are executing very well and have achieved positive adjusted EBITDA during Q2, ahead of expectations. We continue to deliver top line growth while capturing meaningful operating leverage and efficiencies that are driving our bottom line. I want to touch on a few topics today. Speaker 200:02:35Let me start off with a few high level takeaways from the quarter. We're really pleased with our overall performance. We generated $165,100,000 in revenue, which was up 15% from last year and which again exceeded the Street consensus. Additionally, in the first half of twenty twenty three, we improved our adjusted EBITDA by over $54,000,000 relative to the first half of twenty twenty two. We are proud That almost 2 thirds of our improved profitability was driven by revenue growth and improving operations, With the remaining 1 third for more efficient marketing spend, these results set us up well for the second half of the year, where we continue to expect to be adjusted EBITDA positive. Speaker 200:03:30From my perspective, our results reflect our commitment to innovation, Customer satisfaction and sustainable growth and profitability. The ability for us to achieve these results Also validates the quality and commitment of our team, which I believe is one of the best in the industry. We continue to build upon our strong foundation as we have solidified our position as a top 5 operator of online gaming and sports betting in the United States. Growth in our domestic markets was broad based. As in the prior quarter, we experienced year over year growth in both our online casino and sports book only markets. Speaker 200:04:13In fact, when looking at U. S. Markets launched after 2020, along with our international markets, We grew over 35% year over year in the Q2. This further demonstrates our ability to launch and grow in new markets by building our brand and enhancing the player experience. On the international front, we had another strong quarter. Speaker 200:04:40We continue to perform very well in the highly competitive Ontario market as we are generating outsized year over year gains As well as sequential growth. Ontario has recently increased the amount of data they're sharing. 2 things jump out to us. First, further evidence that our Art Mal is significantly higher than the markets coming in at well over 2 times that of our competitors. Secondly, this is also the first time they've broken out the difference between casino and sports, With casino making up almost 3 quarters of the market, this trend is similar to what we've seen in U. Speaker 200:05:21S. Markets with iCasino and should provide an outsized benefit to RSI as future iCasino markets launch. Columbia once again was a strong performer With revenue expanding over 30% compared to last year. During the quarter, we achieved growth of almost 50% when measured in Colombian pesos. In Mexico, we remain on schedule to see a ramp up in contribution towards the back half of the year. Speaker 200:05:50Our approach here is similar to the strategy we executed in Colombia over a several year period, which is To consistently localize the platform, to foster a market leading player experience and cultivate the Rush Bet brand. Turning to prospective markets, we continue to see positive activity on the legislative front. Given the economic prospects and the potential size of the online Market relative to the sports betting market, we continue to see online casino more and more as a topic on state legislative agendas post 2020 3 sessions. As we touched on during last quarter's call, Ohio's House Added language to its budget to study the future of gaming, including online casino. In late June, Both the House and the Senate passed a bill that calls for a joint committee to study on this topic, which is expected to include iGaming. Speaker 200:06:51In addition, since we last spoke, there have been advancements in Maryland as part of the fiscal 2024 budget, The State Lottery and Gaming Commission has been mandated to submit an eye casino study to the General Assembly before year end. Notably, a prominent legislative member in the state has expressed optimism about the potential for passage of iGaming bill when the legislator reconvenes in January. In his remarks, the legislator emphasized the state's need for new revenue streams and recognize the significance that online casino could represent as a valuable third leg of the stool along with existing online sports betting and traditional land based casino markets. The commission expects to work on the study to begin later this summer and be complete by mid November. We also continue to participate in discussions in states such as New York, Illinois and Indiana, where In states where we see progress, the topic doesn't simply recede, rather it tends to evolve. Speaker 200:08:03Those are the types of discussions we continue to see where there was active legislation this past year. We've also seen more interest from governments in the Canadian provinces as they evaluate legalizing online casino for private operators following the lead of Ontario. Based on our success In Ontario, these efforts are potentially very exciting for us. As we've said several times before, we continue to remain confident over the long term given the potential economics to government budgets, especially when compared to inflows from online sports betting. Turning to our promotional efforts, In line with our objective, to deliver sustainable growth and profitability, we are constantly refining and optimizing our strategies. Speaker 200:08:51We continue to allocate resources, including product development, bonusing strategies and operating priorities towards retaining and serving customers and segments that align with our long term financial objectives. In other words, We focus on the highest value players who we expect to be long term profitable. Our MAU and Art MAU numbers for the quarter reflect these efforts to emphasize greater investment in higher value players. With this focus on quality and a more rational promotional environment in the market, Combined with improvements and new features available in our platform, we are well positioned and excited to head into the fall and the upcoming football season. On the product and technology front, we continue to innovate in both Icasino and sports betting as we look to drive engagement and retention. Speaker 200:09:44In Icasino, in addition to the many ways we improve engagement and retention with features like slot tournaments, Bingo and wheel spins. We've recently introduced a jackpot hot mode feature. This feature is designed to enhance the excitement of daily and hourly jackpots. The way these jackpots work is that they are guaranteed to be paid out. Ahead of payouts, players are typically informed and are aware The chance to win a jackpot is growing as the guaranteed periods approach. Speaker 200:10:16Thus, the final minutes of the hourly jackpot and the last hours of the daily jackpot are designated as the hot period, offering players a higher excitement level in anticipation of possibly winning the jackpots because someone is guaranteed to win within a sub period. In sports betting, adding features to enrich our parlay and prop bet offering has been a priority. We continue to add features to encourage more parlay and prop bets. For instance, during the Q2, we aggregated player props by league into distinct list views, providing easier findability, more prominently showcasing prop bet types. The impact has been immediate. Speaker 200:10:58Baseball prop bets this year in the Q2 were up more than 60% compared to a year ago. We are very excited with this addition and other merchandising improvements we're planning to release heading into the NFL and NCAA football seasons. Another example of strong player response The success in the quarter with the use of our proprietary Squares game during the NBA playoffs to incentivize players to place parlay bets. When we configured Square's to be issued during the NBA playoffs for same game parlay, the percentage of same game parlay handled for NBA Increased by over 150% relative to where we were during the regular season before we implemented this configuration. This is validation of the behavioral change we drove in players and a direct result that this innovative product inspired in our customers. Speaker 200:11:51As we reach the midpoint of the year, we find ourselves in an excellent position. We continue to grow revenues, Improve operating leverage and achieve our goals. We have a robust balance sheet and plans to advance our Speaker 100:12:17Thanks, Richard. 2nd quarter revenue was $165,100,000 up 15% year over year, Ahead of street expectations and with well balanced growth across the business. As Richard highlighted, we're excited to have reached adjusted EBITDA profitability in the 2nd quarter Coming in at a positive $1,200,000 This is significant progress compared to last year's Q2 of $18,600,000 EBITDA loss and last quarter's EBITDA loss of $8,700,000 We're in an excellent position to continue this adjusted EBITDA profitability for the second half of twenty twenty three and into next year. Now I'll dive a little further into our outperformance during the quarter, where we performed better than expected on revenue with growth across the board In icasino, sports, in both U. S. Speaker 100:13:05And international markets, we get asked often about our approach to sports book markets. We We have a great product and a well established presence in those markets. And this gives us an impressive opportunity when iCasino gets legalized in sports betting markets. To put it in perspective, in the Q2, in sports book only markets, we only lost a little more than $1,000,000 in aggregate, providing minimal drag on our results. In fact, excluding New York, our sports book only markets in the aggregate We're profitable in the Q2. Speaker 100:13:37Looking ahead, we have a great opportunity to be profitable in all of our markets as we continue to execute on our strategy. We also continue to attract and focus on high quality players and our industry leading Artemau of $3.59 in Q2 reflects this strategy. In total, our North American Art Mile was up over 10% both year over year and sequentially, validating the high quality experience we offer. Consistent with our past statements, we've continued our focus on investments in markets with iCasino, with U. S. Speaker 100:14:09And Canadian MAUs Up over 9% year over year in those markets. Regarding hold percentage, iCasino was in line with our typical expectations. When it comes to sportsbook, we had meaningfully better hold during the quarter. Some of this was due to favorable event outcomes, But as Richard touched on, the shift in our mix has been a contributor to our better hold percentage as well. Due to the efforts Richard highlighted, We have significantly improved our bet mix and also our player mix, both of which we believe are sustainable. Speaker 100:14:43So we believe our sports hole percentage will structurally improve moving forward as a result. Moving on to gross margins, We improved by 6 40 basis points compared to last year coming in at 33.6% on the quarter. As we've discussed on previous calls, we expect meaningful improvements for the full year in our gross margins. Turning to marketing, we decreased spend on both a year over year and a quarter over quarter basis, while still making the right investments in new player acquisition and We spent $40,400,000 in the 2nd quarter, down from $44,200,000 last year and down from $49,400,000 in the Q1 of this year. We have scaled back as we focus more on those markets with the highest expected returns over the long term while we wait for new market launch opportunities that we expect to come in future quarters. Speaker 100:15:38Looking at G and A, we increased costs modestly compared to last year Coming in at $13,900,000 We had some favorable impact from foreign currency during the quarter and we've also been mindful of new investments as a result. As we turn to adjusted EBITDA profitability, our cash use will slow and we expect to be more than fully funded to reach cash flow positive. We are tightening in the range on our guidance for the year to $650,000,000 to $690,000,000 increasing the midpoint to 670,000,000 up from our previous guidance. And with that, operator, please open the line for questions. Operator00:16:54Please remember to pick up your handset before asking your question. Our first question comes from the line of Dan Politzer with Wells Margot, your line is now open. Speaker 300:17:08Hey, it's Zach Silverberg on for Dan. Thanks for taking my questions and Congrats on the quarter. Just seeing some of your recent success in the international markets and some of your past comments and Some of the recent legislative momentum in Brazil, can you just kind of talk about that market and other similar international markets that you guys are looking at and the potential Speaker 200:17:34Sure, Zach. Hey, this is Richard. Yes, I mean, we're looking to take advantage of the head start we have in Latin America. As you know, we've been having a lot of success there and it's not a short term program we put in place. Really long term focused and we have tremendous amount of talent and sophistication in how we operate down there. Speaker 200:17:54So when you look at these other market opportunities, They're sizable when you look at the populations. I mean, you just referenced that Brazil finally just issued their regulations after several years. So that's a market with over 200,000,000 people, which It's larger than Colombia and Mexico combined, which is about $180,000,000 combined. So you have a really large opportunity there in Brazil. Peru has 33,000,000 people. Speaker 200:18:17They just legalized online casino and issued the first draft Not the first issue of the regulations and that market is going to be going through a regulatory process with expectations perhaps as early as half middle of next year, they should be Launching in a regulated environment, Chile is making progress, Argentina is making progress. So we have ample opportunities And are evaluating each of them and identifying the ones that make the most sense for us to enter. But we're really excited about that region and we think we have a head start over most Speaker 300:18:56Thanks. And just one follow-up. In your prepared remarks, you talked about some of the state legislative agendas. Just recently, we saw Ohio double their There's been some chatter on other states. Can you just maybe relay anything you're hearing about potential States increasing the tax rates or anything of that sort, either the sports betting or activity side? Speaker 200:19:23I certainly think that in some of those forest only markets, there wasn't a lot of generation of taxes, perhaps meeting up with some of the expectations that were sold to the states. I think that's probably what happened In Ohio, but certainly, we haven't heard much more on that topic and certainly think that in the markets where you have online casino, which is an area where we have a lot of strength and You are seeing that the vast majority of taxes being generated are coming from the casino category and we think that bodes well for the ability for That category to continue to be legalized in additional markets to create additional tax flow for states like Ohio who are pretty active in moving towards Progress towards legalizing iCasino, which would then add to the tax basis that is generated from online gambling. Speaker 300:20:08Thank you. Operator00:20:11Thank you for your question. The next question comes from the line of Jordan Bender with JMP Securities. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:20:22Great. Good afternoon and thanks for taking my question. So Last quarter, you talked about revenue kind of following quarter on quarter and with actual results coming up quarter over quarter. Just kind Speaker 500:20:35of making the assumption that Speaker 400:20:36you maybe beat that guidance by about $5,000,000 or so, it's about the same amount you've raised your guidance for the full year. Is it kind of fair to that your guidance raise for the year was just kind of on the back of that beat or are you actually seeing improvement kind of in the back half that's I'm causing that optimism. Speaker 100:20:57Yes. Thanks for the question, Jordan. As we talked about, we did have really good performance Across the whole business, we had a little help from sports outcomes in the second quarter. It's still early in Q3, but we're tracking well against our plans. And to your point, I think we'd beat consensus by about 7,000,000 Raised the full year by $5,000,000 So that I think the second half for us in terms of the guidance looks similar to where we were Before, I don't know that I would equate it exactly the same way you did because we do, as you can imagine, go through And we forecast the back half of the year. Speaker 100:21:38We look at all the different markets. We look at how things are trending. We look at player values and Ended up in this range that we're comfortable with for the $650,000,000 to $690,000,000 Speaker 400:21:51Okay, great. And then just for the follow-up, Kyle, you talked about or you reiterated your EBITDA positive in the back half of the year. Just given the better than expected EBITDA result In the Q2, is there a situation or a scenario where you can be EBITDA positive for the full year of 2023? Speaker 100:22:13Yes. There's certainly within that guidance range that we offer and then some of the other context we gave, with kind of the trends for marketing expenses And G and A expenses, there would be scenarios that would cause us to be profitable Our adjusted EBITDA profitable for the full year. And thinking about the back half of the year specifically, in the prepared remarks, we did we commented still very confident in profitability for the second half, very excited about what we achieved here in the second quarter. Q3 could well be profitable as well. It kind of depends on where revenue comes in. Speaker 100:22:56Seasonally, It wouldn't be unusual for Q3 revenue to be flat or potentially down from Q2. We'll see where it shakes out, Particularly considering we had some good sports outcomes in the Q2. So having said all that, if revenue comes in, Let's say even with the Q2, Q3 could be profitable from EBITDA perspective. And then if revenue is a little lower than that, maybe it starts to get a little tighter, but still very excited about profitability for the back half of the year. And to Your original question, certainly within the guidance range we've given, it's possible for us to be profitable for the full year. Speaker 400:23:42I appreciate the questions and nice results. Speaker 100:23:45Thanks, Jordan. Operator00:23:48Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Chad Beynon with Macquarie. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:23:58Hi, good afternoon. This is Aaron on for Chad. Thanks for taking my question and congrats on the really strong quarter. Speaker 100:24:05Thank you. Speaker 500:24:05So obviously positive EBITDA in the quarter was a great result. I'm curious, has anything changed in terms of your expectations around the magnitude Of your profitability in the second half, just given some of the operating leverage and operational improvements you called out. And it seems like there's more confidence out there just generally that the U. S. Can avoid a hard recession. Speaker 500:24:26So just curious whether that plays into your views for the rest of the year? Thanks. Speaker 100:24:32Yes. So thanks for the question. I think we haven't offered a magnitude of profitability in the back half publicly. As you can imagine, we have our own internal expectations. But for sure, we've Felt really good about the results to date. Speaker 100:24:49Obviously, the 2nd quarter profitability came in quite a bit better Than The Street expected and certainly better than we expected as well. I think we're revenue was strong. We're more efficient with marketing. Our gross margins were good. G and A costs were kept under control. Speaker 100:25:07So I think if all those things continue to trend and There's no signs that we're not operating well and not achieving those and won't continue to. I think our expectations are higher. And to The point of the last question is, is it possible that we could be profitable for the full year? It is possible in that guidance range. So that I think that alone tells you That we're optimistic about the back half and in the future. Speaker 500:25:37Okay, that's great. As a follow-up, just want to touch on iGaming competition for a second. So there's a major competitor who recently reported That they'll be introducing an upgraded iCasino product in the near future. Can you just talk about what you're doing or Are you truly focused on to protect your position and continue to grow? Thank you. Speaker 200:25:58Sure. Yes, that's an area of Expertise for our business and we're investing a lot of energy to ensure that we stay ahead of the industry trends and in fact And in fact, pioneer a lot of things that are new to the industry, not just in the U. S, but even globally. So it starts with, obviously, content. We're very quick to launch new content and add new content libraries and be the 1st to launch new libraries. Speaker 200:26:21It's something that's very Attractive to our consumer audience, we're focusing a lot on personalization and using all kinds of algorithms to ensure that we have recommendation engines to ensure that players are playing the right type of games. They like a certain style of game. We want to make sure we serve up another game like that. We've been enhancing the user experience as well on the Flows of the games, the game lobby itself, adding animations and all kinds of ways for players to sort of Engage in the games in a way that makes it easier for them to access the games and to play the games they're interested in playing. We've also Really continue to really emphasize these. Speaker 200:26:59We built a lot of tools ourselves that are proprietary technology, promotional game engines that are unique in the And we build these and we continue to evolve and improve them. So for example, we have a slot tournament engine that's really compelling and we're really the only ones operating at way that we are and it's delivering a lot of value to the players because they want to constantly come back and visit us because we're giving them extra chances to win From there, so I think we're adding some additional exclusive content, continuing to innovate In terms of the types of ways we add value to players, we have a bonus store that's unique in the industry where players are able to pick out different fund Activities to do, so for example, they can redeem their loyalty points for a wheel spin or a entry into a high stakes bingo game. These are again features We also have a community. We pioneered community play, Community chat room in our industry across all casino games. So what we have we have staff that's very heavily involved in Engaging with the players and offering them all types of fun entertaining experiences that delivers a retention that's very Helpful for us too. Speaker 200:28:12So I think along all these areas, we continue to invest in bringing out new features, new games, new meta games And try to constantly stay ahead of the industry. So we feel very strong about our product and it's getting better at a very fast rate as well. Speaker 500:28:30Thank you, Richard. Thank you, Kyle. Appreciate the color and congrats again on the strong quarter. Speaker 100:28:36Thanks, Aaron. Operator00:28:39Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jed Kelly with Oppenheimer. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:28:49Great. Thanks for taking my question. Looking at your presentation, it looks like U. S. Canada high grade gaming Grew 21%. Speaker 400:28:58And then you mentioned in your remarks how the underlying profitability of The sports betting markets, but can you give us taking out your international markets, what's the underlying profitability of your iGaming and sports betting states combined, are those states which are operating? Speaker 100:29:22Yes. So, Jed, I'll take it and I want to make sure I understood your question. But one of the things we shared in the prepared remarks Is that our sport betting markets in total lost around $1,000,000 this quarter And without, if you take New York out of that, sports only markets would have been positive. So, When we think about contribution profit from any given market, that's including all of our marketing expenses, obviously all of our costs to operate In those markets and then we've got our corporate overhead that largely ends up in the G and A line. So you could do some Back of the envelope math and get close to what the other markets are doing outside or that include casino That gets that covers that G and A cost essentially to get us to profitability here in this quarter. Speaker 400:30:22Got it. And then you talked about a lot in your prepared remarks about the potential to cross sell the OSB database to when iGaming legalizes. Are you getting more incrementally more confident that we'll see some legislation break your way in the next 12 months? Speaker 200:30:42Yes. I mean, I'd say that it's always hard to predict, right? But you are seeing more states introducing legislation I'm putting really serious lobbying efforts towards making having some movement. I mean, in Canada, you have a couple of jurisdictions there, in particular, Alberta is one that really seems to be Moving fairly fast in terms of appreciating the tax benefits, the consumer protections Available from the regulation in Ontario, and you're starting to see that other jurisdictions there are being marketed to right now, consumers in those jurisdictions, they're not By operators who aren't paying taxes there, so they certainly would like to sort of take that lead of Ontario and be able to generate some taxes up in Canada from other jurisdictions. There's Quebec and British Columbia as well that are showing various signs of interest. Speaker 200:31:31When it comes to the United States, we mentioned in this In our prepared remarks, a range of states, including New York, Indiana, Illinois, and the ones that we mentioned, when you add those together, it's about 60,000,000 over 60,000,000 of population in states that are working actively on I casino currently for comparison, iGaming is really only really active in the population in the U. S. Of 34,000,000 People, so there's almost 50% more available more than 50% more available that's Being worked on. So we certainly think there's opportunity. Of course, we don't know the timing as no one really does, but I can tell you that as we talked about, there's a lot of efforts to be made, preliminary work is being done, and these studies that are being prepared Are being used as prepared are being used potentially to then drive a quicker adoption by the legislators. Speaker 200:32:28So we're feeling good about the progress we're Speaker 100:32:39Thanks, Jed. Operator00:32:43Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Edward Angel with ROTH MKM. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:32:53Hi. Thanks for taking my question. It was nice to see the Marketing expense down 9% year on year. I was just wondering, it was also a sequential decline too. Is this a fair run rate you think for the rest of the year, the kind Speaker 100:33:11Yes. So, good question. Thanks. We came in a little better in the Q2 compared to probably where we originally expected. And so it's likely that The spend is closer to flattening out from here from that Q2 run rate, maybe a little uptick into Q4. Speaker 100:33:32So I think you're on the right path there. Obviously, we're going to remain flexible with the spend. We'll see where we get the best value and best Opportunities for returns and acquiring players, but I think that's generally the right way to think about it. Speaker 600:33:49Great. Thanks. And then as I kind of think for next year, again, marketing expense down 9% year over year. Would it be fair to assume that states which have been around for over a year, that marketing expense is actually down a lot lower? And I guess, is there any kind of range you could Speaker 100:34:08Yes, I don't think I'll go as far as giving a range today. We haven't given any guidance for next year yet. I do think We would expect to get leverage over the marketing line in 2024. We expect to grow revenue. So as a percentage of revenue, I would expect to see some leverage there, but I don't think I'd want to put a specific number on it just yet This far ahead. Speaker 600:34:37Okay, great. And then if I could sneak one more in. Similarly on the G and A side, only up 3% Year on year, a bit down sequentially. Is there any lumpiness as we think about the rest of the year? I think I remember you talking about maybe D and A coming a bit higher, But it seems like it's training pretty well. Speaker 100:34:54Yes. So I think as you know, you followed us for quite some time. We've been Pretty conservative with the way we've built costs over the years here and we're always mindful of the investments we're making. One thing I mentioned in the prepared remarks, we did have a little bit of a benefit from Foreign exchange rate that lowered G and A costs in the second quarter. So probably expect Q3 and Q4 to be back near or maybe even above the Q1 G and A rate that It was closer to $14,700,000 I think it was. Speaker 100:35:34So there was a little bit of a benefit in Q2 that Wouldn't necessarily repeat. Thanks a lot. Thanks guys. Operator00:35:51Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Ara Masai with Jefferies. Your line is now open. Speaker 700:36:02Hey, good afternoon. Congrats on the quarter and thanks for taking my question. On the slide deck, you talk about the pro bed list views, which helped drive 60% year over year growth for the MOB. Will you be expecting a similar result for the NFO as well? And what else may you be introducing that's new for the NFO? Speaker 700:36:19Thank you. Speaker 200:36:20Sure. Yes. No, we put a lot of investment into really surfacing the right type of bets for the right players And the right mix of wagers for them and really make it easier for them to find the bets they really want to place. And so this ListView change that we made, a change to Really improve the ability for our players to discover the bets they want. And in fact, We're going to be doing the same thing for football season, and we're going a step further. Speaker 200:36:48We're actually going to be introducing a really beautiful new feature for football season that's going to be Really highlighting the props, we call Prop Central, and really allowing our players to find all player props in a single place. Right now, Players have to go to an individual game and click on the game and find all the players that are in that game and bet on those player props. Instead, we're going to sort of unify it and create it so that it's a single place where all the players can visit together at one time. Players a player better can visit at one time and see all the players Same time. So that kind of thing is going to be a real game changer, we think, in terms of improving the volume of prop bets. Speaker 200:37:26I think if you heard us talk before, Player props are very popular in the U. S. I think the daily fantasy industry kind of create a lot of interest in the player Statistics and player results in the U. S. Market even relative to some other international markets. Speaker 200:37:41And so we've been really putting a lot of effort into not just growing the parlay bets as we talked about earlier, especially But also the player props and really expanding the lineup of props and adding more features, including also for Football season, we'll be adding more things like live for single game props, more live bets on things like touchdown scores And other player statistics that will be able to be made up as part of the Asylian Parley. So we're improving the Asylian Parley offering And the private player props in particular, we're also adding some more personalization capabilities to our platform. So again, we're really trying to innovate in And ensure that we get the volume of the player bets on the bet types that we're interested in. Operator00:38:26Okay, great. That's all. Thank you. Speaker 100:38:29Thank you. Operator00:38:33Thank you. There are no additional questions in the queue at this time. There are no additional questions waiting at this time. So I'd like to pass the call back to Richard Schwartz for closing remarks. Speaker 200:39:05Thank you again for joining us today. With a solid financial position, A strong technology platform and effective operational discipline, as I just said, it's We're very well equipped to continue to successfully execute our strategy and position ourselves for further revenue growth and profitability in the future. We look forward to updating you on our progress when we share our Q3 results in a couple of months. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Rush Street Interactive Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. Operator00:00:18Please note that this conference call is being recorded today, August 2, 2023. I will now turn the call over to Kyle Sauers, Chief Financial Officer. You may proceed. Speaker 100:00:33Thank you, operator, and good afternoon. By now, everyone should have access to our Q2 2023 earnings release. It can be found under the heading Financials quarterly results in the Investors section of the RSI website atrushstreetinteractive.com. Some of our comments will be forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. Forward looking statements are not statements of historical fact and are usually identified By the use of words such as will, expect, should or other similar phrases and are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from what we expect. Speaker 100:01:10We assume no responsibility for updating any forward looking statements. Therefore, you that could impact our future operating results and financial condition. During the call, we will discuss our non GAAP measures, which we believe can be useful in evaluating the company's operating performance. These measures should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for our financial results prepared in accordance with GAAP. A reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measure is available in our Q2 2023 earnings release and our investor deck, which is available on the Investors section of the RSI website atrustreinteractive.com. Speaker 100:01:56With me on the call today, we have Richard Schwartz, Chief Executive Officer, we will first provide some opening remarks and then open the call to questions. With that, I'll turn the call over to Richard. Speaker 200:02:06Thanks, Kyle. Good afternoon and thank you for joining us today as we discuss our Q2 2023 results. As an organization, we are executing very well and have achieved positive adjusted EBITDA during Q2, ahead of expectations. We continue to deliver top line growth while capturing meaningful operating leverage and efficiencies that are driving our bottom line. I want to touch on a few topics today. Speaker 200:02:35Let me start off with a few high level takeaways from the quarter. We're really pleased with our overall performance. We generated $165,100,000 in revenue, which was up 15% from last year and which again exceeded the Street consensus. Additionally, in the first half of twenty twenty three, we improved our adjusted EBITDA by over $54,000,000 relative to the first half of twenty twenty two. We are proud That almost 2 thirds of our improved profitability was driven by revenue growth and improving operations, With the remaining 1 third for more efficient marketing spend, these results set us up well for the second half of the year, where we continue to expect to be adjusted EBITDA positive. Speaker 200:03:30From my perspective, our results reflect our commitment to innovation, Customer satisfaction and sustainable growth and profitability. The ability for us to achieve these results Also validates the quality and commitment of our team, which I believe is one of the best in the industry. We continue to build upon our strong foundation as we have solidified our position as a top 5 operator of online gaming and sports betting in the United States. Growth in our domestic markets was broad based. As in the prior quarter, we experienced year over year growth in both our online casino and sports book only markets. Speaker 200:04:13In fact, when looking at U. S. Markets launched after 2020, along with our international markets, We grew over 35% year over year in the Q2. This further demonstrates our ability to launch and grow in new markets by building our brand and enhancing the player experience. On the international front, we had another strong quarter. Speaker 200:04:40We continue to perform very well in the highly competitive Ontario market as we are generating outsized year over year gains As well as sequential growth. Ontario has recently increased the amount of data they're sharing. 2 things jump out to us. First, further evidence that our Art Mal is significantly higher than the markets coming in at well over 2 times that of our competitors. Secondly, this is also the first time they've broken out the difference between casino and sports, With casino making up almost 3 quarters of the market, this trend is similar to what we've seen in U. Speaker 200:05:21S. Markets with iCasino and should provide an outsized benefit to RSI as future iCasino markets launch. Columbia once again was a strong performer With revenue expanding over 30% compared to last year. During the quarter, we achieved growth of almost 50% when measured in Colombian pesos. In Mexico, we remain on schedule to see a ramp up in contribution towards the back half of the year. Speaker 200:05:50Our approach here is similar to the strategy we executed in Colombia over a several year period, which is To consistently localize the platform, to foster a market leading player experience and cultivate the Rush Bet brand. Turning to prospective markets, we continue to see positive activity on the legislative front. Given the economic prospects and the potential size of the online Market relative to the sports betting market, we continue to see online casino more and more as a topic on state legislative agendas post 2020 3 sessions. As we touched on during last quarter's call, Ohio's House Added language to its budget to study the future of gaming, including online casino. In late June, Both the House and the Senate passed a bill that calls for a joint committee to study on this topic, which is expected to include iGaming. Speaker 200:06:51In addition, since we last spoke, there have been advancements in Maryland as part of the fiscal 2024 budget, The State Lottery and Gaming Commission has been mandated to submit an eye casino study to the General Assembly before year end. Notably, a prominent legislative member in the state has expressed optimism about the potential for passage of iGaming bill when the legislator reconvenes in January. In his remarks, the legislator emphasized the state's need for new revenue streams and recognize the significance that online casino could represent as a valuable third leg of the stool along with existing online sports betting and traditional land based casino markets. The commission expects to work on the study to begin later this summer and be complete by mid November. We also continue to participate in discussions in states such as New York, Illinois and Indiana, where In states where we see progress, the topic doesn't simply recede, rather it tends to evolve. Speaker 200:08:03Those are the types of discussions we continue to see where there was active legislation this past year. We've also seen more interest from governments in the Canadian provinces as they evaluate legalizing online casino for private operators following the lead of Ontario. Based on our success In Ontario, these efforts are potentially very exciting for us. As we've said several times before, we continue to remain confident over the long term given the potential economics to government budgets, especially when compared to inflows from online sports betting. Turning to our promotional efforts, In line with our objective, to deliver sustainable growth and profitability, we are constantly refining and optimizing our strategies. Speaker 200:08:51We continue to allocate resources, including product development, bonusing strategies and operating priorities towards retaining and serving customers and segments that align with our long term financial objectives. In other words, We focus on the highest value players who we expect to be long term profitable. Our MAU and Art MAU numbers for the quarter reflect these efforts to emphasize greater investment in higher value players. With this focus on quality and a more rational promotional environment in the market, Combined with improvements and new features available in our platform, we are well positioned and excited to head into the fall and the upcoming football season. On the product and technology front, we continue to innovate in both Icasino and sports betting as we look to drive engagement and retention. Speaker 200:09:44In Icasino, in addition to the many ways we improve engagement and retention with features like slot tournaments, Bingo and wheel spins. We've recently introduced a jackpot hot mode feature. This feature is designed to enhance the excitement of daily and hourly jackpots. The way these jackpots work is that they are guaranteed to be paid out. Ahead of payouts, players are typically informed and are aware The chance to win a jackpot is growing as the guaranteed periods approach. Speaker 200:10:16Thus, the final minutes of the hourly jackpot and the last hours of the daily jackpot are designated as the hot period, offering players a higher excitement level in anticipation of possibly winning the jackpots because someone is guaranteed to win within a sub period. In sports betting, adding features to enrich our parlay and prop bet offering has been a priority. We continue to add features to encourage more parlay and prop bets. For instance, during the Q2, we aggregated player props by league into distinct list views, providing easier findability, more prominently showcasing prop bet types. The impact has been immediate. Speaker 200:10:58Baseball prop bets this year in the Q2 were up more than 60% compared to a year ago. We are very excited with this addition and other merchandising improvements we're planning to release heading into the NFL and NCAA football seasons. Another example of strong player response The success in the quarter with the use of our proprietary Squares game during the NBA playoffs to incentivize players to place parlay bets. When we configured Square's to be issued during the NBA playoffs for same game parlay, the percentage of same game parlay handled for NBA Increased by over 150% relative to where we were during the regular season before we implemented this configuration. This is validation of the behavioral change we drove in players and a direct result that this innovative product inspired in our customers. Speaker 200:11:51As we reach the midpoint of the year, we find ourselves in an excellent position. We continue to grow revenues, Improve operating leverage and achieve our goals. We have a robust balance sheet and plans to advance our Speaker 100:12:17Thanks, Richard. 2nd quarter revenue was $165,100,000 up 15% year over year, Ahead of street expectations and with well balanced growth across the business. As Richard highlighted, we're excited to have reached adjusted EBITDA profitability in the 2nd quarter Coming in at a positive $1,200,000 This is significant progress compared to last year's Q2 of $18,600,000 EBITDA loss and last quarter's EBITDA loss of $8,700,000 We're in an excellent position to continue this adjusted EBITDA profitability for the second half of twenty twenty three and into next year. Now I'll dive a little further into our outperformance during the quarter, where we performed better than expected on revenue with growth across the board In icasino, sports, in both U. S. Speaker 100:13:05And international markets, we get asked often about our approach to sports book markets. We We have a great product and a well established presence in those markets. And this gives us an impressive opportunity when iCasino gets legalized in sports betting markets. To put it in perspective, in the Q2, in sports book only markets, we only lost a little more than $1,000,000 in aggregate, providing minimal drag on our results. In fact, excluding New York, our sports book only markets in the aggregate We're profitable in the Q2. Speaker 100:13:37Looking ahead, we have a great opportunity to be profitable in all of our markets as we continue to execute on our strategy. We also continue to attract and focus on high quality players and our industry leading Artemau of $3.59 in Q2 reflects this strategy. In total, our North American Art Mile was up over 10% both year over year and sequentially, validating the high quality experience we offer. Consistent with our past statements, we've continued our focus on investments in markets with iCasino, with U. S. Speaker 100:14:09And Canadian MAUs Up over 9% year over year in those markets. Regarding hold percentage, iCasino was in line with our typical expectations. When it comes to sportsbook, we had meaningfully better hold during the quarter. Some of this was due to favorable event outcomes, But as Richard touched on, the shift in our mix has been a contributor to our better hold percentage as well. Due to the efforts Richard highlighted, We have significantly improved our bet mix and also our player mix, both of which we believe are sustainable. Speaker 100:14:43So we believe our sports hole percentage will structurally improve moving forward as a result. Moving on to gross margins, We improved by 6 40 basis points compared to last year coming in at 33.6% on the quarter. As we've discussed on previous calls, we expect meaningful improvements for the full year in our gross margins. Turning to marketing, we decreased spend on both a year over year and a quarter over quarter basis, while still making the right investments in new player acquisition and We spent $40,400,000 in the 2nd quarter, down from $44,200,000 last year and down from $49,400,000 in the Q1 of this year. We have scaled back as we focus more on those markets with the highest expected returns over the long term while we wait for new market launch opportunities that we expect to come in future quarters. Speaker 100:15:38Looking at G and A, we increased costs modestly compared to last year Coming in at $13,900,000 We had some favorable impact from foreign currency during the quarter and we've also been mindful of new investments as a result. As we turn to adjusted EBITDA profitability, our cash use will slow and we expect to be more than fully funded to reach cash flow positive. We are tightening in the range on our guidance for the year to $650,000,000 to $690,000,000 increasing the midpoint to 670,000,000 up from our previous guidance. And with that, operator, please open the line for questions. Operator00:16:54Please remember to pick up your handset before asking your question. Our first question comes from the line of Dan Politzer with Wells Margot, your line is now open. Speaker 300:17:08Hey, it's Zach Silverberg on for Dan. Thanks for taking my questions and Congrats on the quarter. Just seeing some of your recent success in the international markets and some of your past comments and Some of the recent legislative momentum in Brazil, can you just kind of talk about that market and other similar international markets that you guys are looking at and the potential Speaker 200:17:34Sure, Zach. Hey, this is Richard. Yes, I mean, we're looking to take advantage of the head start we have in Latin America. As you know, we've been having a lot of success there and it's not a short term program we put in place. Really long term focused and we have tremendous amount of talent and sophistication in how we operate down there. Speaker 200:17:54So when you look at these other market opportunities, They're sizable when you look at the populations. I mean, you just referenced that Brazil finally just issued their regulations after several years. So that's a market with over 200,000,000 people, which It's larger than Colombia and Mexico combined, which is about $180,000,000 combined. So you have a really large opportunity there in Brazil. Peru has 33,000,000 people. Speaker 200:18:17They just legalized online casino and issued the first draft Not the first issue of the regulations and that market is going to be going through a regulatory process with expectations perhaps as early as half middle of next year, they should be Launching in a regulated environment, Chile is making progress, Argentina is making progress. So we have ample opportunities And are evaluating each of them and identifying the ones that make the most sense for us to enter. But we're really excited about that region and we think we have a head start over most Speaker 300:18:56Thanks. And just one follow-up. In your prepared remarks, you talked about some of the state legislative agendas. Just recently, we saw Ohio double their There's been some chatter on other states. Can you just maybe relay anything you're hearing about potential States increasing the tax rates or anything of that sort, either the sports betting or activity side? Speaker 200:19:23I certainly think that in some of those forest only markets, there wasn't a lot of generation of taxes, perhaps meeting up with some of the expectations that were sold to the states. I think that's probably what happened In Ohio, but certainly, we haven't heard much more on that topic and certainly think that in the markets where you have online casino, which is an area where we have a lot of strength and You are seeing that the vast majority of taxes being generated are coming from the casino category and we think that bodes well for the ability for That category to continue to be legalized in additional markets to create additional tax flow for states like Ohio who are pretty active in moving towards Progress towards legalizing iCasino, which would then add to the tax basis that is generated from online gambling. Speaker 300:20:08Thank you. Operator00:20:11Thank you for your question. The next question comes from the line of Jordan Bender with JMP Securities. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:20:22Great. Good afternoon and thanks for taking my question. So Last quarter, you talked about revenue kind of following quarter on quarter and with actual results coming up quarter over quarter. Just kind Speaker 500:20:35of making the assumption that Speaker 400:20:36you maybe beat that guidance by about $5,000,000 or so, it's about the same amount you've raised your guidance for the full year. Is it kind of fair to that your guidance raise for the year was just kind of on the back of that beat or are you actually seeing improvement kind of in the back half that's I'm causing that optimism. Speaker 100:20:57Yes. Thanks for the question, Jordan. As we talked about, we did have really good performance Across the whole business, we had a little help from sports outcomes in the second quarter. It's still early in Q3, but we're tracking well against our plans. And to your point, I think we'd beat consensus by about 7,000,000 Raised the full year by $5,000,000 So that I think the second half for us in terms of the guidance looks similar to where we were Before, I don't know that I would equate it exactly the same way you did because we do, as you can imagine, go through And we forecast the back half of the year. Speaker 100:21:38We look at all the different markets. We look at how things are trending. We look at player values and Ended up in this range that we're comfortable with for the $650,000,000 to $690,000,000 Speaker 400:21:51Okay, great. And then just for the follow-up, Kyle, you talked about or you reiterated your EBITDA positive in the back half of the year. Just given the better than expected EBITDA result In the Q2, is there a situation or a scenario where you can be EBITDA positive for the full year of 2023? Speaker 100:22:13Yes. There's certainly within that guidance range that we offer and then some of the other context we gave, with kind of the trends for marketing expenses And G and A expenses, there would be scenarios that would cause us to be profitable Our adjusted EBITDA profitable for the full year. And thinking about the back half of the year specifically, in the prepared remarks, we did we commented still very confident in profitability for the second half, very excited about what we achieved here in the second quarter. Q3 could well be profitable as well. It kind of depends on where revenue comes in. Speaker 100:22:56Seasonally, It wouldn't be unusual for Q3 revenue to be flat or potentially down from Q2. We'll see where it shakes out, Particularly considering we had some good sports outcomes in the Q2. So having said all that, if revenue comes in, Let's say even with the Q2, Q3 could be profitable from EBITDA perspective. And then if revenue is a little lower than that, maybe it starts to get a little tighter, but still very excited about profitability for the back half of the year. And to Your original question, certainly within the guidance range we've given, it's possible for us to be profitable for the full year. Speaker 400:23:42I appreciate the questions and nice results. Speaker 100:23:45Thanks, Jordan. Operator00:23:48Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Chad Beynon with Macquarie. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:23:58Hi, good afternoon. This is Aaron on for Chad. Thanks for taking my question and congrats on the really strong quarter. Speaker 100:24:05Thank you. Speaker 500:24:05So obviously positive EBITDA in the quarter was a great result. I'm curious, has anything changed in terms of your expectations around the magnitude Of your profitability in the second half, just given some of the operating leverage and operational improvements you called out. And it seems like there's more confidence out there just generally that the U. S. Can avoid a hard recession. Speaker 500:24:26So just curious whether that plays into your views for the rest of the year? Thanks. Speaker 100:24:32Yes. So thanks for the question. I think we haven't offered a magnitude of profitability in the back half publicly. As you can imagine, we have our own internal expectations. But for sure, we've Felt really good about the results to date. Speaker 100:24:49Obviously, the 2nd quarter profitability came in quite a bit better Than The Street expected and certainly better than we expected as well. I think we're revenue was strong. We're more efficient with marketing. Our gross margins were good. G and A costs were kept under control. Speaker 100:25:07So I think if all those things continue to trend and There's no signs that we're not operating well and not achieving those and won't continue to. I think our expectations are higher. And to The point of the last question is, is it possible that we could be profitable for the full year? It is possible in that guidance range. So that I think that alone tells you That we're optimistic about the back half and in the future. Speaker 500:25:37Okay, that's great. As a follow-up, just want to touch on iGaming competition for a second. So there's a major competitor who recently reported That they'll be introducing an upgraded iCasino product in the near future. Can you just talk about what you're doing or Are you truly focused on to protect your position and continue to grow? Thank you. Speaker 200:25:58Sure. Yes, that's an area of Expertise for our business and we're investing a lot of energy to ensure that we stay ahead of the industry trends and in fact And in fact, pioneer a lot of things that are new to the industry, not just in the U. S, but even globally. So it starts with, obviously, content. We're very quick to launch new content and add new content libraries and be the 1st to launch new libraries. Speaker 200:26:21It's something that's very Attractive to our consumer audience, we're focusing a lot on personalization and using all kinds of algorithms to ensure that we have recommendation engines to ensure that players are playing the right type of games. They like a certain style of game. We want to make sure we serve up another game like that. We've been enhancing the user experience as well on the Flows of the games, the game lobby itself, adding animations and all kinds of ways for players to sort of Engage in the games in a way that makes it easier for them to access the games and to play the games they're interested in playing. We've also Really continue to really emphasize these. Speaker 200:26:59We built a lot of tools ourselves that are proprietary technology, promotional game engines that are unique in the And we build these and we continue to evolve and improve them. So for example, we have a slot tournament engine that's really compelling and we're really the only ones operating at way that we are and it's delivering a lot of value to the players because they want to constantly come back and visit us because we're giving them extra chances to win From there, so I think we're adding some additional exclusive content, continuing to innovate In terms of the types of ways we add value to players, we have a bonus store that's unique in the industry where players are able to pick out different fund Activities to do, so for example, they can redeem their loyalty points for a wheel spin or a entry into a high stakes bingo game. These are again features We also have a community. We pioneered community play, Community chat room in our industry across all casino games. So what we have we have staff that's very heavily involved in Engaging with the players and offering them all types of fun entertaining experiences that delivers a retention that's very Helpful for us too. Speaker 200:28:12So I think along all these areas, we continue to invest in bringing out new features, new games, new meta games And try to constantly stay ahead of the industry. So we feel very strong about our product and it's getting better at a very fast rate as well. Speaker 500:28:30Thank you, Richard. Thank you, Kyle. Appreciate the color and congrats again on the strong quarter. Speaker 100:28:36Thanks, Aaron. Operator00:28:39Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jed Kelly with Oppenheimer. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:28:49Great. Thanks for taking my question. Looking at your presentation, it looks like U. S. Canada high grade gaming Grew 21%. Speaker 400:28:58And then you mentioned in your remarks how the underlying profitability of The sports betting markets, but can you give us taking out your international markets, what's the underlying profitability of your iGaming and sports betting states combined, are those states which are operating? Speaker 100:29:22Yes. So, Jed, I'll take it and I want to make sure I understood your question. But one of the things we shared in the prepared remarks Is that our sport betting markets in total lost around $1,000,000 this quarter And without, if you take New York out of that, sports only markets would have been positive. So, When we think about contribution profit from any given market, that's including all of our marketing expenses, obviously all of our costs to operate In those markets and then we've got our corporate overhead that largely ends up in the G and A line. So you could do some Back of the envelope math and get close to what the other markets are doing outside or that include casino That gets that covers that G and A cost essentially to get us to profitability here in this quarter. Speaker 400:30:22Got it. And then you talked about a lot in your prepared remarks about the potential to cross sell the OSB database to when iGaming legalizes. Are you getting more incrementally more confident that we'll see some legislation break your way in the next 12 months? Speaker 200:30:42Yes. I mean, I'd say that it's always hard to predict, right? But you are seeing more states introducing legislation I'm putting really serious lobbying efforts towards making having some movement. I mean, in Canada, you have a couple of jurisdictions there, in particular, Alberta is one that really seems to be Moving fairly fast in terms of appreciating the tax benefits, the consumer protections Available from the regulation in Ontario, and you're starting to see that other jurisdictions there are being marketed to right now, consumers in those jurisdictions, they're not By operators who aren't paying taxes there, so they certainly would like to sort of take that lead of Ontario and be able to generate some taxes up in Canada from other jurisdictions. There's Quebec and British Columbia as well that are showing various signs of interest. Speaker 200:31:31When it comes to the United States, we mentioned in this In our prepared remarks, a range of states, including New York, Indiana, Illinois, and the ones that we mentioned, when you add those together, it's about 60,000,000 over 60,000,000 of population in states that are working actively on I casino currently for comparison, iGaming is really only really active in the population in the U. S. Of 34,000,000 People, so there's almost 50% more available more than 50% more available that's Being worked on. So we certainly think there's opportunity. Of course, we don't know the timing as no one really does, but I can tell you that as we talked about, there's a lot of efforts to be made, preliminary work is being done, and these studies that are being prepared Are being used as prepared are being used potentially to then drive a quicker adoption by the legislators. Speaker 200:32:28So we're feeling good about the progress we're Speaker 100:32:39Thanks, Jed. Operator00:32:43Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Edward Angel with ROTH MKM. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:32:53Hi. Thanks for taking my question. It was nice to see the Marketing expense down 9% year on year. I was just wondering, it was also a sequential decline too. Is this a fair run rate you think for the rest of the year, the kind Speaker 100:33:11Yes. So, good question. Thanks. We came in a little better in the Q2 compared to probably where we originally expected. And so it's likely that The spend is closer to flattening out from here from that Q2 run rate, maybe a little uptick into Q4. Speaker 100:33:32So I think you're on the right path there. Obviously, we're going to remain flexible with the spend. We'll see where we get the best value and best Opportunities for returns and acquiring players, but I think that's generally the right way to think about it. Speaker 600:33:49Great. Thanks. And then as I kind of think for next year, again, marketing expense down 9% year over year. Would it be fair to assume that states which have been around for over a year, that marketing expense is actually down a lot lower? And I guess, is there any kind of range you could Speaker 100:34:08Yes, I don't think I'll go as far as giving a range today. We haven't given any guidance for next year yet. I do think We would expect to get leverage over the marketing line in 2024. We expect to grow revenue. So as a percentage of revenue, I would expect to see some leverage there, but I don't think I'd want to put a specific number on it just yet This far ahead. Speaker 600:34:37Okay, great. And then if I could sneak one more in. Similarly on the G and A side, only up 3% Year on year, a bit down sequentially. Is there any lumpiness as we think about the rest of the year? I think I remember you talking about maybe D and A coming a bit higher, But it seems like it's training pretty well. Speaker 100:34:54Yes. So I think as you know, you followed us for quite some time. We've been Pretty conservative with the way we've built costs over the years here and we're always mindful of the investments we're making. One thing I mentioned in the prepared remarks, we did have a little bit of a benefit from Foreign exchange rate that lowered G and A costs in the second quarter. So probably expect Q3 and Q4 to be back near or maybe even above the Q1 G and A rate that It was closer to $14,700,000 I think it was. Speaker 100:35:34So there was a little bit of a benefit in Q2 that Wouldn't necessarily repeat. Thanks a lot. Thanks guys. Operator00:35:51Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Ara Masai with Jefferies. Your line is now open. Speaker 700:36:02Hey, good afternoon. Congrats on the quarter and thanks for taking my question. On the slide deck, you talk about the pro bed list views, which helped drive 60% year over year growth for the MOB. Will you be expecting a similar result for the NFO as well? And what else may you be introducing that's new for the NFO? Speaker 700:36:19Thank you. Speaker 200:36:20Sure. Yes. No, we put a lot of investment into really surfacing the right type of bets for the right players And the right mix of wagers for them and really make it easier for them to find the bets they really want to place. And so this ListView change that we made, a change to Really improve the ability for our players to discover the bets they want. And in fact, We're going to be doing the same thing for football season, and we're going a step further. Speaker 200:36:48We're actually going to be introducing a really beautiful new feature for football season that's going to be Really highlighting the props, we call Prop Central, and really allowing our players to find all player props in a single place. Right now, Players have to go to an individual game and click on the game and find all the players that are in that game and bet on those player props. Instead, we're going to sort of unify it and create it so that it's a single place where all the players can visit together at one time. Players a player better can visit at one time and see all the players Same time. So that kind of thing is going to be a real game changer, we think, in terms of improving the volume of prop bets. Speaker 200:37:26I think if you heard us talk before, Player props are very popular in the U. S. I think the daily fantasy industry kind of create a lot of interest in the player Statistics and player results in the U. S. Market even relative to some other international markets. Speaker 200:37:41And so we've been really putting a lot of effort into not just growing the parlay bets as we talked about earlier, especially But also the player props and really expanding the lineup of props and adding more features, including also for Football season, we'll be adding more things like live for single game props, more live bets on things like touchdown scores And other player statistics that will be able to be made up as part of the Asylian Parley. So we're improving the Asylian Parley offering And the private player props in particular, we're also adding some more personalization capabilities to our platform. So again, we're really trying to innovate in And ensure that we get the volume of the player bets on the bet types that we're interested in. Operator00:38:26Okay, great. That's all. Thank you. Speaker 100:38:29Thank you. Operator00:38:33Thank you. There are no additional questions in the queue at this time. There are no additional questions waiting at this time. So I'd like to pass the call back to Richard Schwartz for closing remarks. Speaker 200:39:05Thank you again for joining us today. With a solid financial position, A strong technology platform and effective operational discipline, as I just said, it's We're very well equipped to continue to successfully execute our strategy and position ourselves for further revenue growth and profitability in the future. We look forward to updating you on our progress when we share our Q3 results in a couple of months. Thank you.Read morePowered by