Magna International Q2 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 4, 2023

There are 12 speakers on the call.

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Q2 2023 Results Conference Call. During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen only mode. Afterwards, we will conduct a question and answer session. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded, Friday, August 4, 2023. I would now like to turn the conference over to Louis Tonelli, Vice President, Investor Relations.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Rita. Hello, everyone, and welcome to our conference call covering our Q2 of 2023. Joining me today are Swamy Kotagiri And Pat McCann. Yesterday, our Board of Directors met and approved our financial results for the Q2 of 2023 as well as our 2023 outlook, Our updated 'twenty three outlook. We issued a press release this morning outlining our results.

Speaker 1

You'll find the press release, today's conference call webcast, The slide presentation to go along with the call and our updated quarterly financial review all in the Investor Relations section of our website at nagua.com. Before we get started, just as a reminder, the discussion today may contain forward looking information or forward looking statements within the meaning of applicable securities legislation. Such statements involve certain risks, assumptions and uncertainties, which may cause the company's actual or future results and performance to be materially different from those expressed or implied in these statements. Please refer to today's press release for a complete description of our Safe Harbor disclaimer. Please also refer to our reminder slide included in the presentation that relates to our commentary today.

Speaker 2

And with

Speaker 1

that, I'll pass it over to Swamy.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Louis. Good morning, everyone. I appreciate you joining our call today, and I'm happy to kick off today's call with an update on our progress. And following your financial update from Pat, I look forward to answering your questions. Before diving into the details, Let me walk you through some key highlights.

Speaker 3

We successfully completed the acquisition of Veoneer Active Safety during the Q2, solidifying our position as a global leader in active safety. There is a lot of excitement and energy around Magna as a result of this acquisition. Our organic sales grew by 17% year over year, surpassing weighted production by 5% excluding complete vehicles and 3% including complete vehicles. Our Q2 showcased strong Q2 operating performance with high organic sales contributing to robust earnings. These results represent a significant improvement both year over year and compared to the Q1 of this year.

Speaker 3

We have raised our 2023 sales, adjusted EBIT margin and adjusted net income outlook ranges for 2023. This upward revision in our EBIT margin range demonstrates Solid operating performance even with the inclusion of V and A Active Safety, which is launching significant new business over the next 18 months. We are highly committed to executing our strategy and remain confident in our ability to achieve our long term growth and margin outlook. And we continue to win business across all product areas, which supports our go forward strategies. It is important to note that the industry has seen some positive developments, including reduced supply constraints, Stronger and more stable production schedules and resilient auto sales in a number of markets.

Speaker 3

However, The global economy continues to face some interlocking challenges, including continuing elevated inflation, Higher interest rates, geopolitical risks and slowing economic growth. These challenges are impacting our entire industry. In North America, there are concerns about upcoming OEM labor negotiations when union contracts expire in September, which may have short term impacts on production. Rest assured, efforts to contain costs and improve our margins remains a top priority for us. This is being achieved through ongoing operational improvement initiatives, recovering costs from our customers and executing flawless launches across Magna.

Speaker 3

Earlier this year, we estimated about $100,000,000 of incremental input costs, net of recoveries over 2022. Based on our initiatives, together with improvements in market prices for energy and certain commodities, We now expect to mitigate about half of the incremental net input costs. We also We have executed or initiated consolidation, Restructuring and cost containment activities at different levels across the company. We are engaged In ongoing commercial negotiations with our customers to recover costs, transitioning to various index programs and address pricing on challenging programs. At the same time, we continue to intensify our efforts in areas that are core to our daily business, including hedging activities and our enterprise wide global purchasing initiative.

Speaker 3

Automation installations and smart factory initiatives with the digital ecosystem implementation are also well underway. Lastly, I am pleased to report that our underperforming European BES facility is tracking to our expectations supported by a number of these initiatives. All these efforts are yielding positive results, enabling us to generate strong earnings on our sales growth and reinforcing our confidence in delivering on our expectations for margin expansion in the coming years. In early June, we successfully completed the Veoneer Active Safety transaction, And I would like to thank all those involved for their efforts. This transaction has expanded our active safety portfolio by incorporating complementary products, customers, geographies, engineering and software resources.

Speaker 3

The response from both the acquired business and our existing active safety unit has been overwhelmingly positive. There is a great deal of excitement surrounding the immense potential of the combined business. The business is on track with the expectations as outlined when we announced the acquisition, including being neutral to earnings before purchase price amortization in 2024. We hit the ground running and are fully dedicated to ensuring a smooth integration and realizing the $70,000,000 in synergies identified at the outset. We are excited to share more insights about our combined Active Safety business and to update our 2025 outlook to reflect the acquisition during our upcoming virtual investor event in early September.

Speaker 3

We continue to execute our strategy aimed at accelerating our growth in megatrend areas. Recently, we were awarded the battery enclosure For Ford's next generation F-one hundred and fifty Lightning EV Pickup Truck. To support this exciting new program, We are adding capacity in Tennessee. This award further strengthens our competitive position in the rapidly growing market for battery enclosures. In powertrain electrification, we are actively supporting our customers with a combination of components and systems.

Speaker 3

We are proud to have recently won an award for our first to market Modular stand alone decoupling unit for electric vehicles. The innovative unit contributes to an increase in electric drive range by up to 9%. We have already begun launching this product on multiple vehicles of a German based premium OEM. We recently announced a long term supply agreement with Onsemi. This agreement allows Magna to integrate silicon carbide based technology into our future e drive systems.

Speaker 3

The advanced technology will enhance our ability to deliver better cooling performance as well as faster acceleration and charging rates, which contribute to improved efficiency and increased EV range. These activities highlight our commitment to driving innovation and positioning ourselves as a leader in the rapidly evolving field of electric mobility. Our success in winning business across all product lines continues to drive growth. In addition to securing the contract for the battery enclosure, we were pleased to announce that we have also recently been awarded The seating award represents yet another seat complete program For pickup trucks in North America, following our previous seat award for GM's pickup trucks to be produced at Lake Orion. We were also recently awarded the replacement vehicle assembly business for the iconic Mercedes Benz G Class.

Speaker 3

This award allows us to maintain our 40 plus year history as the exclusive producer of this off road vehicle. We produced over 45,000 G Class vehicles in our Graz, Austria facility in 2022, bringing our lifetime total to over $500,000 The next generation G Class is expected to launch in 2024 and continue to run towards the end of the decade. And we were awarded significant new Phase II business on multiple programs from a Europe based global OEM. We will supply the OEM's assembly plant in North America from an existing exterior facility beginning in 2026. With that, I'll pass the call over to Pat.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Swamy, and good morning, everyone. As Swamy indicated, we delivered strong second quarter earnings and free cash flow both above our expectations. Now comparing the Q2 of 2023 2022, consolidated sales were $11,000,000,000 up 17% compared to a 15% increase In Global Light Vehicle Production, EBIT was $603,000,000 and EBIT margin increased 170 basis points to 5.5%. It was also up 140 basis points from the Q1 of 2023. Adjusted EPS came in at $1.50 up 81% year over year And free cash flow used in the quarter was $7,000,000 compared to $52,000,000 generated in the Q2 of 2022, in part reflecting our higher capital spend to support record program awards in 2022.

Speaker 4

During the quarter, we paid dividends of $129,000,000 And in addition to raising our sales outlook, we increased our adjusted EBIT margin and Ernie's outlook. Let me take you through some of the details. North American, European and Chinese Light vehicle production were up 14%, 13% 21%, respectively, netting to a 15% increase in global production. Our consolidated sales were $11,000,000,000 up 17% over the Q2 of 2022. On an organic basis, our sales also increased 17% year over year or 3% growth over market 4% growth over market excluding complete vehicles.

Speaker 4

The sales increase was primarily due to higher global vehicle production And complete vehicle assembly sales, the launch of new programs, price increases to recover certain higher input costs and the acquisition of Viaener Active Safety on June 1, net of divestitures. These are partially offset by the impact of Adjusted EBIT was $603,000,000 and adjusted EBIT margin was 5.5% compared to 3.8% in Q2 2022. Our focus on operational excellence and performance on cost initiatives helped drive strong earnings on higher sales. This was partially offset by the impact of the acquisition of Veoneer Active Safety. Adjusted EBIT margin It was also possibly impacted by about 25 basis points of net operational items, including Productivity and efficiency improvements at certain facilities and higher tooling contribution, partially offset by higher program related engineering spending and launch costs and higher equity income, which benefited margins by about 10 basis points.

Speaker 4

EBIT margin was negatively impacted by higher net input costs, primarily lower scrap prices and higher labor costs, partially offset by lower costs for energy, commodities and freight, which combined to about 45 basis points and non recurring items, which subtracted about 5 basis points. Interest expense increased primarily reflecting the senior notes issued in the Q1, increased borrowings and higher interest rates, partially offset by higher interest income. Our adjusted effective income tax rate came in at 21.8%, largely in line with our 2023 expectations, but lower than Q2 of last year. And adjusted net income attributable to Magna was 430,000,000 up 77% over the Q2 of 2022, reflecting the higher EBIT and lower tax rate, partially offset by higher interest expense and minority interest. Adjusted diluted EPS was 1.50 up 81% compared to Q2 of last year.

Speaker 4

The increase is the result of higher net income and fewer shares outstanding. The reduced number of shares outstanding primarily reflects the impact of share repurchases during and subsequent to the Q2 of 2022. Turning to a review of our cash flows and investment activities. In the Q2 of 2023, we generated $879,000,000 in cash from operations before changes in working capital. We invested $332,000,000 in working capital, primarily reflecting the higher sales in the Q2 of 2023.

Speaker 4

Investment activities in the quarter included $502,000,000 for fixed assets $96,000,000 for investments, other assets and intangibles. The $502,000,000 in CapEx is higher than $329,000,000 in Q2 of last year to support our record program awards in 2022. Overall, we used free cash flow of $7,000,000 in Q2, better than we had anticipated. We also acquired ViaNeer Active Safety for $1,480,000,000 and paid $129,000,000 in dividends in the quarter. Our balance sheet continues to be strong with major credit rating agencies recently reaffirming our ratings.

Speaker 4

At the end of the Q2, we had over $4,600,000,000 in liquidity, including about $1,300,000,000 in cash. Currently, our adjusted EBIT our adjusted debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio is 2.19 times. Excluding approximately $400,000,000 in cash we're holding to pay down our euro debt set to mature later this year, our ratio would be 2.08. These ratios are tracking better than our previous expectations as a result of our improved operating results. We anticipate a reduction in our leverage ratio by the end of this year and a further decline through 2024.

Speaker 4

Next, I will cover our updated outlook, which incorporates slightly higher than expected vehicle production in both North America and Europe, mainly as a result of better production in Q2. Our assumption for production in China is unchanged from our previous outlook. We also assume exchange rates and our outlook will approximate current rates. We now expect a slightly stronger euro and slightly lower Canadian dollar and RMB for 2023 relative to our previous outlook. We have increased our expected sales range, largely reflecting the acquisition of B and A Active Safety, Higher North American and European production in Q2 as well as the higher euro.

Speaker 4

As a result of our strong performance so far in 2020 And expectations for continued operational execution, partially offset by higher cost to launch new programs, We have also increased our adjusted EBIT margin range. This is despite the short term 20 basis point impact from the Via and Air Act of Safety acquisition. We're increasing our equity income range, mainly reflecting lower spend and expected commercial items. As a result of increasing the ranges for our sales and adjusted EBIT margin, we are also raising Our range for adjusted net income attributable to Magna. Our capital spending outlook has increased to reflect the Veoneer acquisition in line with our previous expectations.

Speaker 4

Our interest expense and tax rate are unchanged from our previous outlook. In addition, free cash flow expectations are unchanged even after incorporating V and E Active Safety for the last 7 months of 2023. Note that beginning in Q3, Magna's adjusted EBIT will exclude the amortization of acquired intangibles, the most significant of which is associated with the Veoneer Active Safety acquisition. In summary, We are pleased with our strong operating performance in the Q2. Once again, we outgrew our end markets by 3% on a consolidated basis and 5% excluding complete vehicles.

Speaker 4

We continue to win new business across our portfolio, supporting our go forward strategy and largely as a result of our continued strong execution, we are raising our earnings outlook for the year.

Operator

Our first question comes from the line of John Murphy with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 5

Good morning, guys, and thanks for the time. Just a first question, as you look at what went on in the quarter, Obviously, volumes were up big time on a year over year basis, but there was also a stabilization In schedules, right? So you knew what you were doing and how to plan for it. So Swamy, which do you think was I mean, obviously, the rise in volume is important, But how important was the stabilization in schedules and how should we think about that going forward in the business?

Speaker 3

Good morning, John. For sure, both of them, but I think if they have to prioritize, if you look at all the initiatives that we've been talking about, Play a bigger role in getting the flow through that we would expect. But definitely, the stabilization of production schedules is what helps those efforts in a big way, right, to get to the bottom line and get the intended effect of all the activities that we're going through. The big variable would be the stable Production. Obviously, the big time and the higher volumes help, but the important thing is once you get the higher volumes, can I get The flow through the way we expect, right?

Speaker 3

So definitely helped both of them this time.

Speaker 5

And then just a second question on the battery enclosure business for the F-one hundred and fifty Lightning. The fact that you're getting the frame As well, seats as well is good, but I mean the frame and the battery enclosure, seem like they might be interrelated, Swamy. How interrelated was that sort of bidding process? How much of part of the structure of that truck is that battery enclosure business? And does that set you up well For future wins on other trucks, but maybe other unibody, that's not unibody, but on unibody structures as well.

Speaker 3

John, I'll answer the question from a Magna perspective and we Talked about highly integrated systems and the value that Magna brings when we look at not individual component, but more How you bring things together and I think this plays a role. I won't comment specifically on the architecture of this vehicle because I don't think it will be right for me at this point, but that expertise of knowing the frame, knowing the body enclosures and the whole vehicle definitely comes Okay. And as we look forward, we see, in some cases, like you talked about, a framed vehicle With a separate enclosure today, but as you go to the next generation, there is definitely a thought process of how we can get the synergies for structural performance So us being in the program now on actually multiple truck programs, I think definitely gives us a I think a big advantage in not only addressing what's needed today, but taking this product line and evolving into the future.

Speaker 5

And then if I could sneak just one last one in. Commercial discussions with your automaker customers seem to be A little bit more amicable and conciliatory than they have been in the past. Is that a correct interpretation? And has something changed here where they're partnering a lot more on sort of cost sharing, particularly as costs are inflating? Or is it more just more of the same and you guys are just doing a better job with these discussions?

Speaker 3

It's a difficult one, John, but I definitely think, I think we had a gritty 6 months It is how I would put it. The reactions and the interactions are somewhat mixed. But I can tell you we are laser focused on it. It's just not a person, but teams and cross functional across finance and sales and commercial and operations. The entire organization is around this topic.

Speaker 3

I cannot I think I won't be I'm able to explain in a few sentences the effort that goes into this. But I would say there is a Openness to have the discussion in different forums. Like I said, some are a little bit tougher than the other. But it is I mean, we cannot afford not to do this. It's a must for us, right?

Speaker 3

And I think the conversations are tough, but I would say they're fair.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thank you very much guys.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Cammy Chen with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 6

Hi, good morning. Thanks for the question. First, wanted to talk about Xenir. So I saw you've given the impact it had on your guidance. Could you just talk a little bit more about how you expect that to trend through the year?

Speaker 6

And you're expecting it to breakeven before the incremental amortization next Could you just remind us the steps of the path for the business to get to that next year?

Speaker 3

Good morning, Tammy. I'll give you a few key points and Patrick you can jump in. As we said, we closed the transaction, happy to Say that we hit the ground running on the integration efforts. And I think I could summarize by saying that we are comfortable with What we talked about when we did the acquisition announcement, so some of the facts that we talked about at that time, 2023 sales about $1,000,000,000 and we said it would have a 20 basis points impact on Consolidated EBIT margin, CapEx was roughly around $100,000,000 EBITDA positive In 2023, we expect the $70,000,000 in synergies by 2025. I think we are Tracking very well and there could be tailwinds going forward.

Speaker 3

EBIT neutral in 2024 ex PPA. And a little bit more color on 2025 impacts, we should be able to do that

Speaker 6

Okay. Can you talk specifically though about in next The business going to EBIT neutral from now being a drag. Can you just remind us of some of the steps to get there?

Speaker 4

So good morning, Tammy, and congratulations on your new role. When you think about the Veoneer business, Quite similar to our existing electronics business and they're experiencing rapid growth. So really the driver what's happening is a combination of 2 things. One is there a lot of their launch costs are being incurred this year and they're going to continue through next year. But what's happening is As that business launches, it's driving a lot of contribution margin that's going to benefit, as the volumes ramp.

Speaker 4

To be honest with you, that's really the inflection point we're seeing in their business and it's similar to what we're seeing in our business That's what's going to drive the dollar growth and the margin improvement.

Speaker 6

Got it. Okay. Thanks. And then my other question is, it's quite a strong performance in your Cosmo business. I don't think we've seen An 8% or above EBIT margin really since early 2021.

Speaker 6

I know you called out through the call, all the positive factors that have happened this quarter. But could you just specifically on the Cosmo business, talk a bit about what really drove quite a Strong performance. It was strong sequentially as well. Can you also talk a little bit about within that business, there have been that underperforming plants? Just you touched on it a bit earlier in your comments, but a little bit more detail on that.

Speaker 6

Are you largely through that headwind as well? Thank you.

Speaker 3

Yes. Tammy, from a plasma perspective, like you said, we've seen those type of Numbers before and as we discussed the production stability, having the volumes Coming back up, taking back up and all the initiatives are a combination. It's really good execution on higher sales is 1, and Kind of operational improvement in a couple of facilities. You touched on the BES facility that we had issues with. And it's tracking the predominant factor as I discussed previously was the efficiency hit that we were having and therefore So I'm happy to say now that we improved our efficiency, Capacity opens up and we are able to bring back work, which obviously helps.

Speaker 3

And that's, I would say, it's on track and continuing to Make progress, as we had discussed towards the end of 2024. And one other thing would be Comparing to 2022 Q2, it would be Russia losses at, it's not there. And some of it is also commercial resolutions in the quarter, including retro From that goes back into the previous part of the year, but also want to mention that there is some Benefit going forward in a run rate perspective. So I would say those are the combination of things that led to the Expected strong performance in just in BS, but specifically in Cosmo.

Speaker 1

And Tammy, you mentioned Cosmo, but It's all BS. The biggest chunk of it is Cosmo, but we have our exteriors business in there as well.

Speaker 4

Yes. And there was some commercial items. Tammy, when you think about where we're pushing for recoveries, we're pushing for commercial recoveries as well. And when we talk commercials, it's cancellation claims, low volume claims. So some of that benefit did come through in the quarter and part of it was retro as Swamy mentioned.

Speaker 6

Okay, got it. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Chris McNally with Evercore. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 7

Thanks so much, team. Just wanted to follow-up on the last set of questions on body. If we look at the implied second half versus sort of Q2, where you put up the impressive margin, Was there any particular sort of price that was taken in Q2 that was retroactive? Some of the suppliers are talking about looking Sort of first half margins, for example, for divisions because of the timing of some of these price recoveries And then, you have a follow through. How do we think about pros and cons or headwinds, tailwinds for body in the second half?

Speaker 4

Morning, Chris. I guess afternoon to you. I think you're correct. You're absolutely correct. When you think about these commercial items and the inflation recoveries, a portion of them as these are being negotiated throughout the year, A portion by default becomes retro.

Speaker 4

So there are some retro recoveries in the Q2 related to Q1 and a little bit From 2022, but it's primarily a Q1 issue as we push forward. So it's fair to say that our margin in our BES segment is going in Q2 and normalize to those guidance ranged in the second half of the year. But I don't want to focus like there is a commercial portion, but the real drive here is volumes and execution on that volume increase. That is That's really what's driving the performance improvement.

Speaker 1

And keep in mind, in H2 versus H1, we do see volumes down. So that's just regular seasonality, but volumes and sales will be expected to be down.

Speaker 7

No. And that makes sense. I One of the things we're in the analyst community we're dealing with is the suppliers are being appropriately conservative, but basically by your Implied production, you have second half down versus first half, which the forecasters have slightly up. So that makes sense. If we stick on margin seating, it looks like it's starting to turn a corner and seating has been This sort of persistent low margin you had some of the BMW business that came on that had different margin characteristics.

Speaker 7

Are we turning a volume turning a corner and does the European volumes that are turning Actually start to really help here, which has been a drag for several years.

Speaker 3

Hi, good morning, Chris or good afternoon, as Pat said. I think we talked about the mix issue that we've had in seating, right, that was Disproportionately impacting us and as the volumes are coming back and the mix is Becoming more normalized than lopsided, we are starting to see those effects come through. But I also have to give a lot of credit to the Seating team on how they are Being part of this overall initiative that we are looking at and starting to see the impact of that, whether it's some of the digitization efforts, some of just Block and tackle type things that we're going through. And we also talked about some of the wins In the truck segment in North America and some actual discussions on existing non performing Programs, it's a combination of all of this that we are seeing the effect just not today, but I think we are Very optimistic about what we could see in the coming years in Seating.

Speaker 7

Okay, Great. And I'll hold back on the ADAS and the radar questions. Look forward to the events in September. Thanks so much. Great.

Speaker 7

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mark Delaney with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 8

Good morning. Thank you very much for taking my questions. I believe last year Magna's megatrend revenue was about $1,000,000,000 and I you guided it to approximately double this year and then to reach about $4,000,000,000 in 2025, excluding ViaNeer Active Safety. Given some of the volatility that's been happening with some of the EV plans from certain OEMs, I'm curious if you could give us an update about how you're tracking in those megatrend areas relative to the prior targets.

Speaker 3

Hi, good morning, Mark. I would say to answer your question, looking at what we know today, obviously, in terms of take rates and so on and so forth, We are tracking to what we have talked about and you mentioned the numbers, it's roughly about $4,000,000,000 in 2025, right? But as you said, it's very early days of electrification. I think we all know that it's a secular trend for sure and it's here to stay. But the real trick is in predicting their trajectory.

Speaker 3

That's something that we all have to wait and see. And we're taking all the tools in the toolbox to look at how can we have that flexibility and how can we Pivot, how can we look at different programs and so on and so forth. But overall, whether it's electrification or ADAS, I think we are tracking to the numbers that we talked about.

Speaker 8

That's helpful. And then in terms of the margin Improvement opportunities, you spoke a little bit around commercial negotiations already. Slide 9, though, mentions repricing underperforming programs as one of the margin So I was hoping to understand that dynamic specifically if possible and to have a better sense of how broad based these underperforming I mean, is it isolated to a few or is that a wider initiative? And any color you can share on your progress and Yes. How likely you think it is that you'll be able to restructure some of those programs?

Speaker 8

Thanks.

Speaker 3

Hey, Mark, it's very, call it a granular look, which is a normal process. It's very targeted, very granular, very deliberate. We are looking at programs as they come towards the end of the program, right, end of production cycle. There are some ways there is replacement coming through, there Sam Hilary, no extensions that come through. We look at all of these opportunities and sometimes it's a change of scope on the project.

Speaker 3

We are looking at everything out there to see how do we effectively reprice, Get the economics to where they really need to, which meets our financial hurdles. And I can definitely say we have had Success in some of these cases, and some are still an ongoing discussion.

Speaker 8

Thank you. I'll turn it over.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Tom Narayan with RBC. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 9

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. The first one is, could you remind us what your, I guess, your D3 U. S. Exposure is, just asking and just may help us understand maybe How we should think about potential strike implications?

Speaker 1

Yes. I think I'm going to say we're probably 75% in North America, we're close to 75% of our business in that area. So we do disclose that,

Speaker 7

I haven't got that handy, but it's in that range.

Speaker 9

Okay. And any details like splitting

Speaker 3

Not the North American business.

Speaker 1

The North American business.

Speaker 9

Any breakout of the 3 OEMs or

Speaker 1

I can get that for you, Tom. I don't have it at my fingertips.

Speaker 9

Okay. No worries. And then the other one is, we've been hearing about Some, some BEV slowdown chatter, specifically with legacy North American OEMs. It's coming up in a lot of these supplier calls. Just curious if you're seeing this, if this is impacting kind of Your EV business, kind of more near term or if you're seeing anything there?

Speaker 3

Yes, Tom, good morning. This is Swamy. I think if you look at it, I mean, really the UV business is Just today, call it early days. It's just launching and it's just taking. If you look at the numbers, right, we are like, what, 2,000,000 or so in vehicle.

Speaker 3

So it's more about how you position yourself on the right programs and looking at each of this, How we go about and what type of thinking you have in processing these programs. I think that's the important part. I don't know. If you go back 2 or 3 years, we talked with a different tone and today it's with a different tone. I think we need to take a more calm approach.

Speaker 3

And as I said, I believe and we believe at Magna that it's a Trent here to stay. We have to figure out how to manage the transition and that's where our focus is.

Speaker 9

Okay, thanks. And then lastly, if I look at the 2 segments, I think we're pretty interesting in Q2. BNS, very strong and then PMV, Maybe a little bit lighter than maybe some folks expected, but then you've raised sales forecast for both. I know things can be kind of lumpy from Quarter to quarter, just curious about Q2 sustainability in these two segments in H2. Clearly, you're expecting an improvement in P and V.

Speaker 9

And How should we think about, yes, these two segments, Q2 versus H2? Thanks.

Speaker 3

Yes. I think we touched on some of the factors that Contributed to the strong BES contribution, right? And we kind of see that going forward. There is no reason for us to think any different, Given there is no other major disruption or some industry wide thing, we are starting to see, like I said, the efforts on all the initiatives We have in place and stability in production and increasing volumes. The P and V, as you mentioned, really, the net input Costs were a headwind year over year in the first half.

Speaker 3

The acquisition of V and Air Active Safety Negatively impacted the Q2. And we talked about a few things in the Q1, which was a warranty item. There was a net negative commercial items in Q2 and some higher engineering costs that were associated with the launch of the program. So operationally, it's good. All of this, call it, one timers were lumped in the first half of the year.

Speaker 3

So We see going forward if you exclude those things a better run rate.

Speaker 1

Yes. If you kind of excluding those items, the pull through is actually quite good in P and V in

Speaker 9

Got it. Okay. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Colin Langan with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 10

Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Just at a high level, if I look at the guidance first half to second half, you have sales down 600,000,000 and With the near, which I assume that means it's over $1,000,000,000 in the first half, second half, but EBIT up. So what are the major puts and takes that get I assume also that the guidance doesn't include any sort of factor for you, AWD, or confirm that.

Speaker 4

Sorry, so good morning, Collin. So H1 versus H2, I think was your question, just the Magna consolidated variance. So the second part of your question was, you're correct, we haven't modeled in or factored in a UAW disruption, if any. When you think about I think Swamy's touched on a lot of the points, but big picture when you take a step back and look at our H1 versus H2, there's a couple of factors. We expect on the recoveries, we expect those to be More back half versus first half, and that's what we've projected from the beginning of the year, and that's what we're continuing to see.

Speaker 4

So that's number 1. Number 2, there were some discrete items that happened in the first half of the year that aren't expected to recover. Swamy touched on the warranty issue that we had in Q1, there was a few commercial settlements that had happened that positively impacted us that were in the second quarter that were retro back into Q1 portion back into Q2. And then as we move forward, we're still seeing stabilization Of the production schedules, which is benefiting us. But I think again, I just want to reinforce, when you come in with A lot of these operational improvements that we talk about is they take time to gain traction.

Speaker 4

So you implement a strategy and then you start Permutating them across the various divisions and you gain acceleration, as you go through. So for example, Swamy touched on our ability to Make improvements in our underperforming division in Germany. That's what we're seeing. So those are sequential improvements that we're seeing from H1 into H2. And then obviously, the acquisition of B and E comes in, in the second half of the year with the about $1,000,000,000 of sales coming in, which does drag the margin, as we pointed out by about 20 basis points, which goes the other way.

Speaker 2

Got it.

Speaker 10

And any color on the change in adjusted EBITDA now excluding amortization? How big of a factor will that be? And then I wasn't really sure, I think you didn't include it as an adjustment in Q1, Q2, But for the rest of the year, it will be adjustments. So does Q1, Q2 eventually get restated to exclude amortization too? And will that be driving some of the comparisons we're looking at?

Speaker 1

Yes. We're still working through the impacts. It will take a little bit of time to refine that calculation, but our estimate On an annual basis, it's about $60,000,000 so about $30,000,000 in the back half of the year.

Speaker 4

And Collyn, that's preliminary and that's Part of the reason we're excluding it as well at this point, but just the basis for why we've done it. So you're correct. On a go forward basis, we're going And what we're excluding specifically is acquired purchased intangibles, so the amortization of such amounts. So it's not Regular increments and the reason we're doing it is effectively we're trying to improve How we manage our businesses. So we have an existing electronics business roughly the same size as the acquired entity and we want to manage Evaluate them their performance and their execution on an apples to apples basis.

Speaker 4

So that's why we've made the decision to exclude The other factor was when you from an investor's perspective, when we're thinking if I was sitting in your seat is, I want to be able to evaluate how Magna's Electronics business is performing versus our peers. And we did an analysis Just to make sure we're consistent with our peer group in that regard.

Speaker 10

And just one quick follow-up, the 60,000,000 Estimate, is that just VEONIER? And because I think there's about the 10 ks said there'd be around $90,000,000 of amortization Just going into the year, so does that also get pulled out? Just comparing apples to apples.

Speaker 4

So you're talking If we're talking specifically amortization of acquired intangibles, I don't know what the 9% you're referring to is. There's other if you're referring back to the cash flow statement, there's other amounts in that $90,000,000

Speaker 1

But the approximately $60,000,000 is V and A, In active safety.

Speaker 10

Okay. So that will be the full year charge going forward, dollars 60,000,000 will be pulled out of the special items

Speaker 4

Approximately once we finalize the purchase accounting,

Speaker 1

we can do that. Correct.

Speaker 10

Okay. All right. Thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Dan Levy with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 11

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. First, I wanted to go back to this theme of 1st half, the second half and specifically wanted to focus on the complete vehicles, where I think your guidance is implying The business to be almost breakeven, just very slightly positive, it's a significant deceleration versus the first half. And maybe you can just talk about some of the puts and takes on what's happening in complete vehicles in the second half. And does this change the way we should think about

Speaker 4

Good morning, Dan. I'm pausing here to answer. When you think about our complete vehicles business, you really have to consider a bunch of factors. What is What products are in that facility at that point in time? So in the first half of the year, we were still producing the BMW Five series and that's rolled off.

Speaker 4

And now we're going into we're in the middle of launching the Fisker program. But what you see more broadly when you think about a European business like Steyr is There is quite a difference in profitability in the first half of the year and the second half of the year just more broadly. I don't we haven't changed our expectations for our I keep saying Star, but our complete vehicles business for the full year. We had a few we had some positive engineering outcomes in the first half of the year, but those were factored in. And when we get into the second half, We're still pushing towards that gross margin expectations.

Speaker 4

So long answer, but I don't see anything unusual in the second half of the year Just that we should be reflecting just its launch and as but as planned downtime.

Speaker 1

I mean we started the year 1% to 2%, we're at 1.6 So all in, we're actually increasing our outlook in complete vehicles.

Speaker 11

Right. And I know that generally we shouldn't look at the quarter as you know, there is seasonality and whatnot. But Is that second half, I think you talked about it, is that specifically being dragged by launch of New programs or is there something just timing of input costs?

Speaker 4

No, it's something with a firmer dance. So if you think about what happened, it's primarily the launch, the planned downtime that you have through the summer and then you have another downtime through The December period,

Speaker 1

we've expected that throughout the

Speaker 4

year, which is every single year.

Speaker 11

Okay. So that's not something we should extrapolate going forward?

Speaker 4

No, absolutely.

Speaker 11

Okay, great. Thank you. And then second, Swamy, just a question on your vertical integration efforts in EVs. Historically, in EV, setting aside LG, You were mostly focused on the drive unit due to outsourced motors and inverters. Can you just talk about the supply agreement with On semi, is this a foray into making your own inverters or is this just a partnership to get inverters from a third party.

Speaker 3

Yes. I think Dan, we talked about it a little bit over time, right, In terms of the building blocks and what are some of the key pieces to get to the full e drive system, even before the LG JV that you mentioned, We made inverters and we had the capacity to do that between Magna Powertrain and Magna Electronics Group. So we're just taking one step forward when we talk about Onsemi. It's just looking at whether it is Silicon carbide or GaN or something just the overall power electronics strategy, how and what should we be doing. So it is just part of that overall strategy.

Speaker 3

So we always had the ability to do inverters. Now we're just doing it collectively in our NG JV. So this is just further vertical integration to bring value add into the system.

Speaker 11

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of James Picariello with BNP Paribas. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 2

Hi, everyone. Just to clarify, more of a housekeeping item on the intangibles amortization. Can you just quantify Legacy Magna, what the intangibles amortization amount was for last year, just to have some bearing as to I mean, I know it's immaterial, but What was that number?

Speaker 4

Okay. We'll have to get back to you James because it is immaterial. It wouldn't be a big number. If you think fundamentally, we haven't done an acquisition of a technology company. So we haven't experienced this situation where you have such a significant amount of acquired technology intangibles.

Speaker 4

That's really what's driving the $60,000,000 Lewis was referring to. But we can get back to you with the exact number, but it's not material.

Speaker 2

Understood. And then just on Veoneer, it looks like the guide shows $1,000,000,000 in revenue and based on the 20 basis points Margin dilution impact about $30,000,000 to $35,000,000 operating loss for the 7 months. If we annualize that, Right. For being here, we'd be looking at $1,700,000,000 in revenue and an approximate $60,000,000 operating loss. Just curious if you could kind of bless The thinking on the annualized run rate for Veoneer here.

Speaker 3

Yes. I think maybe there's 2 things to consider. Pat, you can add to it. I think when we bring all of this stuff together, There is synergies in terms of how we look at platforms, how we look at coordinated efforts on some core projects, Some purchasing initiatives. So I think it's better maybe my opinion to look at run rates going forward The combined entities rather than look at each one separately.

Speaker 3

And hopefully, we'll be able to give some color When we talk in September, but all of this will be included when we come back as we're doing all Bottom stop, the business planning process and will be included when we come out and talk in 2024.

Speaker 2

Okay. All right. That's helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Sorry, James. Did I keep in mind We said earlier about neutral in 2024, right? So that tells us something about the run rate relative to the back half of the year. Neutral and EBIT.

Speaker 2

In the second quarter, just a quick one, was there any retroactive material recovery Tied to the Q1 and the second quarter numbers, particularly in the Body Exteriors and Structures segment? Thanks.

Speaker 4

Yes. So I think we've talked about this earlier, James. So I'm not going to Repeat everything, but the short answer is yes.

Speaker 2

Okay. No, you just can't qualify it.

Speaker 4

No.

Speaker 10

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Morrison with TD Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 11

Good morning. I have a housekeeping question as well. So Pat or Swamy, in the prepared comments on net inflationary costs, you said something to the tune of an incremental $100,000,000 for 2023 and you'd recover half of that. Can you just clarify what the net exposure is now? I know you started the year at $680,000,000 You made progress in Q1, you did an update on scrap and energy.

Speaker 11

But Start with the 680 and update what's baked into your new guidance and maybe break down what is labor and what's commodity, please? I think labor was about $200,000,000 of your previous forecast.

Speaker 3

So I think the 680, let me break it down was the 530 coming from 2022 Incremental 100 plus the 50 in scrap. That's how we came to the 680. So what we're Looking at the movement in some of the commodities, energy and all the other initiatives that you are working through, We said that 100 is now 50 and the scrap which was 50 is now 25. Yeah. I don't know if you can get into the details of how much is labor and how much is the breakdown.

Speaker 3

It gets combined in terms of all the efforts that I talked about. So it's very difficult to exactly quantify How much and where? We can say that labor is the sticky part and we continue to look at optimizing that Going forward, not just from a restructuring today perspective, but as we are launching this business into 2024 2025, How do we manage it? We have to have so much hiring. So the question is how do you level or normalize What we have now and look at optimizing the hiring, but at the same time protect the programs and the launches.

Speaker 3

So it's a little bit of a complex set of variables that we're going through. I don't know, Pat, if you want to add any color to that.

Speaker 1

No,

Speaker 4

I have nothing to add. Thank you.

Speaker 11

That's helpful. So I just want to this 30 basis points of margin improvement ex Veoneer, How much of that is related to inflationary impact? It looks like it could be about 10 basis points. Is that correct?

Speaker 7

Yes. $75,000,000 right?

Speaker 4

Yes. It's probably 10 to 13 basis points, Brian.

Speaker 11

Okay. Thanks. Thanks, Pat. And then last housekeeping question on that underperforming bez We're making great progress. I think you said you were going to you're tracking to about half of the 35 basis points, I think it was $140,000,000 drag last year.

Speaker 11

How much of that do you expect to recover this year? Is it still tracking half and then eliminated in 2020

Speaker 3

That's correct.

Speaker 11

Great. Thanks very much for your color.

Speaker 1

Good. Thanks, Brian.

Operator

Thank you. If there are no further questions, I will now turn the call back to Swamy Kotagiri for closing remarks.

Speaker 3

Thanks everyone for listening in today. As you heard from us, we are happy with the continued progress in the Q2, but We are already looking ahead to keep our focus into the remaining part of the year and launching not just 2023, but 2024 and 2025 and keep the progress going. We look forward to providing an update on the progress of our strategy during our Investor event next month. Hoping to see you all there. Have a great day.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. That does conclude the conference call for today. We thank you for your participation and ask that you please disconnect your line.

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