NASDAQ:PCYO Pure Cycle Q1 2024 Earnings Report $10.79 -0.24 (-2.18%) Closing price 05/21/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$10.78 -0.01 (-0.09%) As of 05/21/2025 07:28 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings History Pure Cycle EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.09Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/APure Cycle Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$5.39 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/APure Cycle Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2024Date1/12/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateTuesday, January 16, 2024Conference Call Time8:30AM ETUpcoming EarningsPure Cycle's Q3 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, July 9, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Thursday, July 10, 2025 at 8:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Pure Cycle Q1 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrJanuary 16, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Greetings. Welcome to the Pure Cycle Corporation Q1 2024 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. Please note this conference is being recorded. Operator00:00:23I will now turn the conference over to your host, Mark Harding, President and CEO, you may begin. Speaker 100:00:30Thank you, Holly, and welcome and good morning. Balmy morning here in Denver. Happy to give you an overview of our Q1 2024 Earnings Call. We do have a slide deck for this call. It's On our website, if you go there, you can click on it on the front page or go to the presentations page and you can see it there. Speaker 100:00:52So You want to follow along with the deck, I will try and note the transitions as I walk through the presentation. With me today is our CFO, Mark Dezeli and our Controller, Sabrina Finnegan. So let's get started. First slide, second slide actually, is our forward looking statements that most of you are familiar with statements that are not And I understand we'll get the lawyers out of the room and get on to the presentation. So we'll talk a little bit about Kind of the business model and our strategies, take a look at our scorecard for Q1, really drill down into some of the Specifics about our assets and the opportunities and the continuing strength that we have within our assets and then a little bit on the updates. Speaker 100:01:53Over to Slide 4, really want to we continue to benefit from a very strong An experienced leadership team and a Board of Directors to maximize our highly appreciated assets through our complementary business segments and each of these business segments really do relate to each other. And by that, what I mean is as we make an investment in one of the business segments, We benefit each of the other business segments. So we're very proud of having these vertical integration within these business segments and the Opportunities that present for us. Here's our key management team and we have a tremendous amount of experience within the Firm, not only within the various disciplines, but across the leadership board. So we really do benefit from very Strong and diversified and tenured management team. Speaker 100:02:503 Principal Business Segments, as most of you know, we have our Water and Wastewater segment, we have our Land Development segment and our Single Family Rental Segment. We talk a lot about that complementary nature and each of them do relate to each other. We wouldn't be doing our land development if we In the water utility side, we wouldn't be doing the single family rentals if we weren't in the land development segment of that. And so by Us improving our water system that improves our land development by us improving our horizontal development Of our master plan communities that provides us opportunities for our single family rentals and continuing to appreciate the curb appeal for each of the homes that We or our builder partners are developing in our communities. Take a look at about our asset portfolios and this is kind of divided up and segregated into our each of our segments and they continue to grow in value, not only in the direct investments, but each of these assets continue to appreciate But each of these assets continue to appreciate in their fair market value through each of the segments. Speaker 100:03:58Our water wastewater segment holds more than $2,000,000,000 in top line revenue. We have the ability to provide 60,000 single family connections with our water portfolio. We have an existing system that's built that can deliver Around 2,500 connections and I think we have about 1300 total connections in there. So we have a little bit of pedal left in Developing more connections for what we're doing on the water and wastewater side. In our Land Development segment, the Sky Ranch Project holds more than $500,000,000 in value. Speaker 100:04:33We'll talk a little bit more about that in the presentation, but we have very low basis in each of these segments. We have About a $4,500,000 basis in the land development side, mostly because we bought it right, but We continue to improve the value of that and you see that through the direct investments on the balance sheet. And then Last but not least is our single family rental segment. Each home that we complete and deliver holds approximately 30% equity value and that's because we roll The appreciation of the value of the land, the lot itself as well as the water connections, water and wastewater connections So what you see is we have a recorded book value of about $5,400,000 but we have about $2,000,000 of equity in that Segment and it really comes from each unit that we do, that we deliver on that. And so we get fair market value rents for those and that covers not only the debt service on that, but Provides us margins on it. Speaker 100:05:31So that's another summary of the asset values. We'll take a look at our scorecard, See how we did in the Q1. We had an excellent Q1. Take a look at Slide 9, delivered very strong revenues as well as impressive gross margins at A little over 60% on that, about 62%, but Q1 revenues are $5,300,000 almost $5,400,000 With a very high margin on those at about $3,300,000 So if you take a look at that, that's a strong quarter for us even historically when you look at the last 4 years of Our performance on that. Taking a look at Slide 10, the net income on that to a little over $2,000,000 and about $0.09 per Share on earnings per share. Speaker 100:06:18So we carry through to our net income and our combined segments are delivering over 38% profit margin. So Very healthy results from our assets and they continue to demonstrate their strong equity and strong appreciation value for our shareholders. You take a look and break that out by each individual segment. So if you take a look and drill down on that, Really looking at where the revenues come from, a little bit weighted in the water wastewater side. I think that the strength in the Oil and Gas deliveries will buoy that a little bit, but it's almost split between our Water segment and our Land Development segment. Speaker 100:06:57Our single family Segment still coming on early. We have about 14 units on that. But if you take a look at our gross margins in each of these segments, again, Really demonstrates the value that we have and really the opportunity to turn those into margins for our shareholders. So the Gross profits there are also illustrated on the graph there. And again, you start to see the single family rentals Getting in the game here, but they're still pretty early. Speaker 100:07:29Moving over to Slide 12, if you take a look at kind of water deliveries and Where the water or where those water segment revenues are coming from, they come from really 3 principal areas, Tap fees, which are that large capital fee that we get and we had a few tap fees in there, but I wouldn't say that it was an extraordinary quarter for tap fees, mostly because we're Closing out and finishing up the Phase 2a, the first phase of our second phase. So that Sounds terrible. We got to find a better way to identify each of these phases. But you'll see there's a healthy segment in there for oil and gas this quarter, And the outlook for that continues to look robust and strong. And then we continue to grow our customer growth for our recurring Customers and so you're going to see that continue to slide into a meaningful component of the business, but we continue to deliver water and wastewater For our 13 closer to 1400 customer connections each month. Speaker 100:08:35Moving on to Slide 13, that will kind of highlight the oil and gas operations on this. And so We've got really what was a record quarter for oil and gas deliveries. If you take a look at that, we almost had $2,000,000 And just a quarter for oil and gas deliveries. And really that outlook continues to look strong. The operators that are drilling in this field, they Have a dedicated rig, that rig can drill maybe a little bit more than 20 wells per year because they're really at pad site development. Speaker 100:09:10So a lot of these pads are going to hold up to 16 wells per pad. And They'll drill those, they'll move on and then the fracs will follow that, but we're still averaging a bit more than $250,000 Per well, not necessarily per pad, per well. So these pad sites with a large number of Wells do consume quite a bit of water and the footprint for this is very large. So they're drilling in Adams in Arapahoe County is really right on top of our service area. Take a little bit about our Land Development segment. Speaker 100:09:52So with Phase 2a nearly complete, so we illustrate this by a percent complete basis And that kind of smooths out the revenues. The revenues don't always match the timing of the cash flows. And as you've heard me speak in the past, we try and get our cash flows From our builders, so that they are able to help us with some of that very expensive horizontal costs. And at the same time, we don't incur We don't burden them with a large inventory of that cost upfront. So it's more of a as close to a real time delivery The revenues to the improvements as you can get within this business. Speaker 100:10:30And so what we see here is we're closing out of Phase 2a, Which is the first 200 and call it, 230 lots in there. We have a little bit of landscaping left and it's a little bit difficult to do that when it's below 0, but we'll Catch up on that towards the spring and the summer months and punch out that one. We've got most of the wet utilities done on Phase 2b and we should be starting to deliver lots in this quarter, Q2 and then through the rest of the year. So we'll deliver Phase all of the Phase 2b lots in this fiscal year. And then Phase 2C, we've actually started so that we're going to overlap that with Phase 2B, mostly because of The continued strength of our particular product in our segment, which is an entry level product here in the Denver market. Speaker 100:11:20And so You're going to continue to see us overlap some of those development phases and each of these phases continue to get their progress based on a Total delivery of the single family lots. And then we still have Phase 2d, which is a component of The second phase of the 8 60 lots down there, and we're looking to start that sometime next year as well, where we can continue to make sure that we're delivering All of those lots concurrently with the demand. I'm going to move into the single family segment here and I'm going to turn the mic over To Mark Spiezaly and have him give you kind of an update and an overview of our strategy with the single family rentals. So Mark, I'll Speaker 200:12:02let you take it. Thank you, Mark, and good morning, everyone. We continue to see high demand in our single family rental units and we're encouraged by the results that we've seen in the first As you can see from the chart, we started as a proof of concept just a few quarters back and in Q1 of 2024, We are starting to see the compounding effects on revenue as we scale to a larger number of completed units. We'd also like to highlight that the Single family rental unit segment complements our other segments by utilizing our portfolio of assets. Each completed unit As an average of $150,000 in equity, a cap capitalizing on our well priced lots and our water availability in this competitive housing market. Speaker 200:12:50This table takes what we've built to date in our Phase 1 proof of Concept as well as what we completed in Phase 2a and for checks out where we see this segment going as we continue to develop in Phase Develop the rest of Phase 2. Not only are we able to control our building costs Because of our position in land development and water, but we're able to do also able to control all of our operating costs as By maintaining these units in house, we're able to keep the operating costs down and really utilize this The next chart is really a graphical form of the previous table. It charts out where we are Objecting the reoccurring revenue from our rental income could be as we continue to build out Phase 2. We also are projecting our increase in asset value with the equity that we add in each of the units that we bring online. And with that, I'd like to turn the call back over to Mark Harding to discuss the portfolio of assets further. Speaker 100:13:59Great. Thanks. And so as Mark highlighted, one of the key things is and it really is indicative of all of our assets is the value of our assets, The difference between what we carry the assets for on the balance sheet together with the fair market value of those assets and that's why we like each of these segments, whether that segment is The water utility segment, whether that's our land development segment or whether that's our single family rental segments, What that does allow us is it allows us to punch a little bit above our weight on income relative to what the book value of the assets are. And so That's a story that we'd like to kind of continue to emphasize for the market, so that you all get an understanding of why it is that we're doing as well as we're doing with each of It isn't as though the operating results are truly extraordinary for a one time basis. They're really indicative of The appreciation of the asset value. Speaker 100:14:55And so how I want to highlight that a little bit is talk about that in the stored value that we have, not only in The asset themselves, but also the capacity for those assets to continue to generate revenue. And so when you look at that, You look at the water and the wastewater side, there's tremendous value as you all know in the water rights portfolio that we have. We have About 1300, 1360 units of a 60,000 connection capacity. You do the math on that, That's about 2% of the capacity that the portfolio can generate. So we have a tremendous stored value in that. Speaker 100:15:34If Take a look at the land of elements, Sky Ranch is really starting to hit its stride, but still having delivered Up through just that Phase 2a, we're really only about 14% of the total capacity of SkyRance being developed. And then our single family rentals, while we continue to deliver and expand that portfolio, we're still only about 7% towards our goal and our goal being Closer to 200 planned units in the community. If I take a look at how we try and graphically Straight that, the water segment has 2 revenue sources. We have the recurring revenue, which is really just water deliveries and we're delivering them on a monthly basis to our Residential customers as well as a monthly basis to oil and gas customers and we did have a great record quarter to oil and gas customers, but still we have Plenty of pedal left on that. If you take a look at annualizing that 15% of our capacity over the year, really that's still only about 60% of our transmission capacity. Speaker 100:16:41So we continue to look forward to meeting the demands of our residential customers as they'll grow as that grows month over month by delivery of new homes at Sky Ranch and at Wild Point and commercial customers as well, but also to continuing to serve the oil and gas community and Taking a look at the capital fees, the water tap fees, This kind of illustrates where our tap fees are today. Those continue to grow. That's really an illustration of the scarcity value of water and Increasing costs as we have to reach farther and farther out to deliver new water supplies, but really we're only about 2% of the capacity of our portfolio at 13.36. The additional capacity that we have with that transmission capacity can serve up to 2,005 100 connections, so we have the ability to get some additional connections without further investment. But we continue to invest in That delivery segment so that we can keep ahead of the demands for our oil and gas customers and make sure that we can meet their needs. Speaker 100:17:51This is a bit of an illustration on the land development side. And if you take a look at where our Opportunities are for the full build out of Sky Ranch that's closer to $580,000,000 We have Monetize a portion of that. We have approximately 6, 7 1P5 ish units that are built, that's about 14% of that capacity. The Phase 2 will carry us through the next 6.50 lots and then we have still another 800 residential connections and then our commercial connections And that's still the most valuable component of the portfolio. And while we're still a little bit early on the commercial side, we still continue to prepare and make sure that We have a good structure for delivery of value for those commercial lots. Speaker 100:18:45This on the single family rentals, if we're targeting our 200 units, What that does for us on annual rental revenues, so that's a little over $6,000,000 in Rental revenues at that full figure at about $2,800 per connection per unit. And so you'll continue to see us Add value there and we really add both book value, we add asset value and then we also add a little A lot of strength to our P and L, so that you'll continue to see that investment. So what are our key takeaways? As you've heard us talk from time to time, executing our strategic approach to growing the water utilities together with land development, single family rentals Maximizes the returns for us for years to come. And it also not only generates significant asset value, but significant recurring revenues at very high gross margin. Speaker 100:19:39So you take a look at really the strength of these assets and where we're continuing to build on those. We continue to deliver significant and strong results. We continue to invest in each segment as they continue to deliver those returns and we continue To pursue acquisitions, those are continuing. We still look for adding to the portfolio, whether that's in the water Water rights areas and looking for us to add both infrastructure as well as new water rights to the portfolio In strategic areas where those complement our existing investments. And then finally on 26, we continue to invest in ourselves. Speaker 100:20:22We continue to be in the market purchasing shares with a disciplined strategy. We set those benchmarks to our traders. They're in the market where it meets our requirements and it's a mystery to me as to how it trades and it also is a mystery to me as how our Traders trade those shares, but we give those there are certain rules and conditions that we can repurchase shares for, But we continue to be in that market and really reinvest in ourselves. So as this will kind of Close out the presentation with the list of our Board of Directors. We continue to benefit and rely on their wisdom, their experience and their strength in Guiding our principal business interest. Speaker 100:21:09So the shout out to those folks who Continue to be overworked and underpaid, and we are grateful for their service. So with that, I'm going to turn it back over to Holli and see if you all have any questions that we can drill down on and Give you a little bit more highlight. Operator00:21:26Certainly. At this time, we will be conducting a question and answer session. Your first question for today is coming from Bill Cunningham. Please announce your affiliation and pose your question. Speaker 300:22:27Hi. This is Bill Cunningham. I'm a private investor. And my first question has to do with your fracking revenue, Mark, Which was very good this quarter. I saw $2,000,000 on that, which means that $250,000 per frac as you Well site right near your office that you were planning on starting in the fall and in fact it started. Speaker 300:23:03So I'm wondering about the other 8 wells there and whether they're fracking through the winter or whether the weather is impacting that or whether you can give us any kind of general flavor or guidance on what the fracking water sales revenue might be for This quarter and possibly a bit into the future. Speaker 100:23:24Yes, good question. I will tell you that Those frac crews and the drill crews by and large are hardy, hardy guys and women. They are out there 20 fourseven through the winter and being out there 20 fourseven over the last 3 days where it hasn't gotten above 0 here It's hazard to any measure, but no, they do frac. Water tends to get a little stiff At those temperatures and so they do actually preheat that. So they heat it coming out of the reservoir Before they put it into the line, then that line just is laying on the ground. Speaker 100:24:08So it's fully exposed and it gets snowed on and It's a complicated venture for that, but they are flowing at quite a volume. They're flowing as much as 4000 gallons a minute. And so when it's flowing like that, it has a tendency to stay liquid. And then they want to make sure that They get that continuous operation and it's part of that technology of the fracking. Once you're in the hole, you kind of have to keep through that hole. Speaker 100:24:39So We are continuing to frac. As far as the Q2 cycle, I'm pretty optimistic that Q2 is going to look a lot like Q1 and Q3 and Q4. I hope we're going to look like Q1. The thing about the oil and gas companies is they pay you to be at their beck and call, but they don't always call. And so I think that the stability of the regulations here in the Colorado market Are lending themselves to continued investment by oil and gas industries as well as the strength of the oil and gas market. Speaker 100:25:17While it isn't as good as it was At $100 a barrel, I think these operators are very comfortable continuing to make their investments at the current rates. And I wish I had An idea of what dollar number that would turn off or speed up, but They don't share that information other than the fact that they've given us a projection that would continue to support similar results to Q1. Speaker 300:25:46Well, I would be thrilled with $1,000,000 or $2,000,000 of water sales to those companies. And I believe Civitas is your major customer or one of the major customers and they have some pretty aggressive goals on their website. So I'm also looking at that. So this all looks good from my perspective. Speaker 100:26:07Yes, they are. They are. And they're not the only one, but they are the largest And they do have a number of wells drilled. They've actually got once The pad that you referenced was right behind the office. But the other thing that we're excited about is the next pad that they're going to shift to happens to be Our Sky Ranch pad and so they're going to be fracking an 8 well pad site on Sky Ranch. Speaker 100:26:33So not only do we get a bunch of money from our frac revenues, but you'll See our oil and gas royalty revenue tick up because those will get completed. Speaker 300:26:43Okay. Are they new wells or are they refracing of Old Speaker 100:26:48wells. These are all new wells. Okay. All new wells. Speaker 300:26:53Okay. And then I have a question on actually your development at Sky Ranch, I know you've got multiple phases going on right now, particularly 2b and 2c. I'm guessing that 2B must be you're going full speed ahead with that. I saw that it looks like Lennar has totally Sold out. Your other builders are in various stages of almost sold out. Speaker 300:27:20So I assume some of them are Chomping at the bit to be able to start selling homes in 2B and I'm just wondering physically what the status of 2B is right now? Speaker 100:27:34You're right. And I often lament on the builders because they're sort of a light switch Turning on and off their sales team when it doesn't quite work that way in delivering lots. And so When they asked us to take a 90 day pause there between 2A and 2B on the start of that and now they're saying, oh, could you please hurry up and deliver You see, it kind of is that hurry up and wait mode, but it is Our model and I will describe it this way, our model of being able to do this on an incremental basis where we've got The bulk of the backbone infrastructure constructed, right? A lot of that is carried on our balance sheet as you know through the reimbursable note receivable And they are deep into chomping on getting to be there. And because we have some of that background infrastructure already done, we're likely to deliver maybe a couple dozen lots That are going to front streets that are already complete, so that they can start those this winter. Speaker 100:28:45Timing of that is Really discretionary for them because the hardest thing for them to do is get those foundations poured. Concrete doesn't do so well at these temperatures, but they Do they can be optimistic about that and they can get those foundations in. It's really just a day to get those things poured. They can blanket them. They can start Those foundation, once they get that done, they can continue to work in really all temperatures on the framing side. Speaker 100:29:12So that's what they really want is they want us to deliver them. Even if we're not done with all of them, they can take them as we get them. And so you'll see some phased incremental deliveries on that On 2B, 2C, the best thing you can do in the winter temperature wise is the grading, which is the dirt work and those guys are in those nice Big yellow pieces of iron and they're moving around in a comfy cozy cabin, digging and moving dirt and that doesn't bother them so much. So you're You're going to see a lot of that activity over the winter and we really did want to capitalize on that this winter. So we pulled the trigger on that one just making sure that We could do that seasonality aspect and then start being in a position to deliver lots End of this calendar year in 2024 on 2C as well. Speaker 300:30:03Okay. That's great. I assume on 2B that there's You're probably going to there's probably no roads paved interior yet, but you'll probably be doing some of that in the spring once the weather improves? Speaker 100:30:17Yes, exactly right. We'll be grading it. We'll be getting it fully prepped. And then that goes super fast. It's stunning How quickly the site goes from looking like a dirty mess to a fully lot driven streets, curbs and gutters. Speaker 100:30:35So but it is temperature driven. We do have to that's going to probably start in April timeframe and hopefully finish that one up Within a 60 day timeframe. Speaker 300:30:46Great. Thank you very much, Mark. Speaker 100:30:48Thank you, Operator00:31:09Your next question for today is coming from Jeffrey Scott with Scott Asset Management. Speaker 400:31:15Good morning, Mark. How are you? Speaker 100:31:17I'm great, Jeff. How are you? Speaker 400:31:19Very well. Thank you. What is the timing on commercial development? We've talked about this for an awful long time and it's always out there in the future. It will happen, but we don't know when. Speaker 400:31:33Can you give us some color on current plans and projections? Thanks. Speaker 100:31:40You bet. You bet. And that is a high value component for us. And we continue to talk with commercial developers. And I would say that There's a little more interest on the industrial side necessarily than the retail or the big box stores. Speaker 100:32:01It really is a function of the number of rooftops. And while we've delivered 700 rooftops that are captive market for them, I think they're looking at closer to a couple of 1,000 rooftops and there's 2 things that would be Adding to that connectivity, one of them is, as we've talked about in the past is the interchange. We've got that We're going to be building a new interchange right at the highway there and we've got some mill levy set aside so that we can bond that out. We're in the middle of the 1601, which is the permitting process with CDOT to get that done. We should have that done towards the end of this year. Speaker 100:32:42The second component of that is extension of 1 of the roadways. One of our major arterials is 6th Avenue And have that extend west to connect up to another north south arterial to add that link into Some of the development that's in the City of Aurora directly south of us, that particular roadway is the responsibility of the developer south of us. They're looking at starting that corner of activity sometime this year. And so that connectivity again We'll add some more connections in there. And I would say, we're still probably looking at Late 2025 for some of that commercial activity, Jeff. Speaker 100:33:28As much as I'd like to accelerate that and have tried, have tried by Speaker 400:33:43Okay. So if I understand correctly, by end of 2025, some of the infrastructure will be completed. How many rooftops will you have by the end of 2025? Speaker 100:33:56If we maintain our current pace, we're probably taking down about 200 Homes a year. So that's another 400 homes in that connection. So that's getting pretty close to a couple of 1,000 connections. Speaker 400:34:11Okay. So you're really looking at pretty much 2027 for Real commercial developments? Speaker 100:34:22Well, I think because most of that infrastructure is already there, You're going to see transactions. You're going to see lot transactions. You're going to see tap transactions. You're going to see us making Participating in some of that development where we can hold the equity value of the land And partner with someone to go vertical on that and then exit when a particular facility structure is fully leased. So we're looking at pursuing all of those avenues in commercial. Speaker 400:34:58Okay. Thanks, Mark. Speaker 100:35:00You bet. Operator00:35:14Your next question is coming from Elliot Knight with Knight Advisors. Speaker 500:35:20Good morning, Mark. Speaker 100:35:22Good morning, Ali. Good to hear from you. Speaker 500:35:24Well, You have done a beautiful job today of outlining the values that In Pure Cycles control, it's a question as always as How rapidly they can be monetized? One thing we've talked about before, And that's paying a cash dividend. You've always said, Well, the Board wants to be sure that there are adequate recurring revenues Before they initiate a dividend, aren't you really already there where you could begin A dividend even if small, even if an annual dividend. Would you give us your thoughts on that please? Speaker 100:36:25You've got a very good point there. When you take a look at the one of the things that we sought to do to accelerate that recurring revenue is The single family rental side and that continues to grow and become meaningful and really when we're adding new customers, new connections Each month on both the water side as well as the single family rentals, that gets us a whole lot closer to that determination. And it is I will tell you, it is a component of the Board discussion. Each Board meeting is the appropriate benchmark And it's twofold. It is that recurring revenue stream, but then it's also capital needs and How we're starting each individual project to accelerate the development of both the land And the water utility side as well as the single family rentals. Speaker 100:37:20I think maybe some of the pause that we're looking at On that is that we've got a pretty aggressive start for some of the single family rentals. So we've moved from where we originally anticipated 40 Single family rentals in Phase 2 to 90. So we more than doubled that capacity. And it's very it's a very not only very attractive for us on the income side, but on how we're able to leverage that and we're able to Put in place mortgage type debt instruments. They're not actual mortgages because the company Can't hold an actual mortgage, but a mortgage type instrument in there to give us the capacity to keep that off balance sheet. Speaker 100:38:06But it's in the delivery of those that become a little bit challenging for us and quarter over quarter, year over year that gets Once we complete the units and we like to complete those by phase and then roll the financing instrument by each of those units, I think you'll probably see that be a little bit different in our second phase as we continue to mature that relationship with our bank where they're able to Finance this at each individual closing and we get an instrument, a loan instrument that delivers each quarter. So instead of us financing set the construction of 17 homes and then refinancing that all at once, What we're looking to do is say each time we deliver you a CEO, we'll drop down what would be that 17 home financing. So We want to see that work for us and make sure that that doesn't constrain our capital side and then Deliver those next 17 units and probably take a look at it after that. Speaker 500:39:15And what would the timing of that be? Speaker 100:39:22Yes, probably, I would say we'll bring this to a serious consideration of the Board at the January Board meeting next year. Speaker 500:39:31Okay. Thank you. That's very Speaker 100:39:32helpful. I know that that will put you on a little sour note, but give you the Expectation that it is part of our agenda, but I think it's also a component of making sure that we build each of these segments up appropriately with our Capital commitments on the balance sheet. So we're going to continue to protect that. Speaker 500:39:54I think that's a very fair answer and your candor as always is appreciated. I'd like to make one other comment. I really thought the slide that you put on, I don't know what number it is, About the stock repurchases, I've never seen a company put up a slide such as that. I think it's wonderful and thank you for showing it. I hope you'll continue to show it. Speaker 500:40:24Thank you. That's all I Speaker 100:40:26have for you. You bet. Appreciate that. We're really trying to balance competing with you all to buy those shares at those attractive prices. We understand that. Speaker 100:40:35But by and token, I think that if the stock doesn't trade appropriately, we continue to believe that that's a worthwhile return for our shareholders. Speaker 500:40:48Well, that gives us a wonderful sense of what you're thinking It's an undervalued and attractive price at which to buy the stock. So it's very helpful and thank you. You bet. Operator00:41:06We have reached the end of the question and answer session. And I will now turn the call over Speaker 100:41:15Thank you. Again, if you're listening to this on a rebroadcast If you had a technical challenge or if it was just too early and too cold to get on this call live and something comes up as you Work through the deck or you work through the comments, don't hesitate to give us a call. Happy to drill down on any of the specifics and I want to continue to thank you all for your continued support and we will continue to add value and do the best we can with these assets of yours. So with that, I'll bid you all a good day. Operator00:41:52This concludes today's conference and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.Read morePowered by Key Takeaways In Q1 2024, Pure Cycle reported $5.4 million in revenues with a 62% gross margin, net income of $2 million (or $0.09 per share), representing one of its strongest quarterly results in four years. The water & wastewater segment controls over $2 billion of topline potential, serving ~1,360 connections today (2% of its 60,000-connection capacity) and achieved a record $2 million in oil & gas frac water sales. The Sky Ranch land development—acquired at a low basis (~$4.5 million)—is 14% complete with Phase 2a nearly done, Phase 2b lot deliveries beginning in Q2, and Phase 2c already under way to satisfy robust homebuilder demand. Its single family rental segment has delivered ~14 units (~7% of the 200-unit goal), each holding about $150,000 in equity, and is scaling to generate high-margin, recurring rental revenues. With only a small fraction of its water, land and rental capacity utilized, Pure Cycle highlights significant untapped asset value, continues disciplined share buybacks, and will review a potential dividend at the January 2025 Board meeting. A.I. generated. 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There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Greetings. Welcome to the Pure Cycle Corporation Q1 2024 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. Please note this conference is being recorded. Operator00:00:23I will now turn the conference over to your host, Mark Harding, President and CEO, you may begin. Speaker 100:00:30Thank you, Holly, and welcome and good morning. Balmy morning here in Denver. Happy to give you an overview of our Q1 2024 Earnings Call. We do have a slide deck for this call. It's On our website, if you go there, you can click on it on the front page or go to the presentations page and you can see it there. Speaker 100:00:52So You want to follow along with the deck, I will try and note the transitions as I walk through the presentation. With me today is our CFO, Mark Dezeli and our Controller, Sabrina Finnegan. So let's get started. First slide, second slide actually, is our forward looking statements that most of you are familiar with statements that are not And I understand we'll get the lawyers out of the room and get on to the presentation. So we'll talk a little bit about Kind of the business model and our strategies, take a look at our scorecard for Q1, really drill down into some of the Specifics about our assets and the opportunities and the continuing strength that we have within our assets and then a little bit on the updates. Speaker 100:01:53Over to Slide 4, really want to we continue to benefit from a very strong An experienced leadership team and a Board of Directors to maximize our highly appreciated assets through our complementary business segments and each of these business segments really do relate to each other. And by that, what I mean is as we make an investment in one of the business segments, We benefit each of the other business segments. So we're very proud of having these vertical integration within these business segments and the Opportunities that present for us. Here's our key management team and we have a tremendous amount of experience within the Firm, not only within the various disciplines, but across the leadership board. So we really do benefit from very Strong and diversified and tenured management team. Speaker 100:02:503 Principal Business Segments, as most of you know, we have our Water and Wastewater segment, we have our Land Development segment and our Single Family Rental Segment. We talk a lot about that complementary nature and each of them do relate to each other. We wouldn't be doing our land development if we In the water utility side, we wouldn't be doing the single family rentals if we weren't in the land development segment of that. And so by Us improving our water system that improves our land development by us improving our horizontal development Of our master plan communities that provides us opportunities for our single family rentals and continuing to appreciate the curb appeal for each of the homes that We or our builder partners are developing in our communities. Take a look at about our asset portfolios and this is kind of divided up and segregated into our each of our segments and they continue to grow in value, not only in the direct investments, but each of these assets continue to appreciate But each of these assets continue to appreciate in their fair market value through each of the segments. Speaker 100:03:58Our water wastewater segment holds more than $2,000,000,000 in top line revenue. We have the ability to provide 60,000 single family connections with our water portfolio. We have an existing system that's built that can deliver Around 2,500 connections and I think we have about 1300 total connections in there. So we have a little bit of pedal left in Developing more connections for what we're doing on the water and wastewater side. In our Land Development segment, the Sky Ranch Project holds more than $500,000,000 in value. Speaker 100:04:33We'll talk a little bit more about that in the presentation, but we have very low basis in each of these segments. We have About a $4,500,000 basis in the land development side, mostly because we bought it right, but We continue to improve the value of that and you see that through the direct investments on the balance sheet. And then Last but not least is our single family rental segment. Each home that we complete and deliver holds approximately 30% equity value and that's because we roll The appreciation of the value of the land, the lot itself as well as the water connections, water and wastewater connections So what you see is we have a recorded book value of about $5,400,000 but we have about $2,000,000 of equity in that Segment and it really comes from each unit that we do, that we deliver on that. And so we get fair market value rents for those and that covers not only the debt service on that, but Provides us margins on it. Speaker 100:05:31So that's another summary of the asset values. We'll take a look at our scorecard, See how we did in the Q1. We had an excellent Q1. Take a look at Slide 9, delivered very strong revenues as well as impressive gross margins at A little over 60% on that, about 62%, but Q1 revenues are $5,300,000 almost $5,400,000 With a very high margin on those at about $3,300,000 So if you take a look at that, that's a strong quarter for us even historically when you look at the last 4 years of Our performance on that. Taking a look at Slide 10, the net income on that to a little over $2,000,000 and about $0.09 per Share on earnings per share. Speaker 100:06:18So we carry through to our net income and our combined segments are delivering over 38% profit margin. So Very healthy results from our assets and they continue to demonstrate their strong equity and strong appreciation value for our shareholders. You take a look and break that out by each individual segment. So if you take a look and drill down on that, Really looking at where the revenues come from, a little bit weighted in the water wastewater side. I think that the strength in the Oil and Gas deliveries will buoy that a little bit, but it's almost split between our Water segment and our Land Development segment. Speaker 100:06:57Our single family Segment still coming on early. We have about 14 units on that. But if you take a look at our gross margins in each of these segments, again, Really demonstrates the value that we have and really the opportunity to turn those into margins for our shareholders. So the Gross profits there are also illustrated on the graph there. And again, you start to see the single family rentals Getting in the game here, but they're still pretty early. Speaker 100:07:29Moving over to Slide 12, if you take a look at kind of water deliveries and Where the water or where those water segment revenues are coming from, they come from really 3 principal areas, Tap fees, which are that large capital fee that we get and we had a few tap fees in there, but I wouldn't say that it was an extraordinary quarter for tap fees, mostly because we're Closing out and finishing up the Phase 2a, the first phase of our second phase. So that Sounds terrible. We got to find a better way to identify each of these phases. But you'll see there's a healthy segment in there for oil and gas this quarter, And the outlook for that continues to look robust and strong. And then we continue to grow our customer growth for our recurring Customers and so you're going to see that continue to slide into a meaningful component of the business, but we continue to deliver water and wastewater For our 13 closer to 1400 customer connections each month. Speaker 100:08:35Moving on to Slide 13, that will kind of highlight the oil and gas operations on this. And so We've got really what was a record quarter for oil and gas deliveries. If you take a look at that, we almost had $2,000,000 And just a quarter for oil and gas deliveries. And really that outlook continues to look strong. The operators that are drilling in this field, they Have a dedicated rig, that rig can drill maybe a little bit more than 20 wells per year because they're really at pad site development. Speaker 100:09:10So a lot of these pads are going to hold up to 16 wells per pad. And They'll drill those, they'll move on and then the fracs will follow that, but we're still averaging a bit more than $250,000 Per well, not necessarily per pad, per well. So these pad sites with a large number of Wells do consume quite a bit of water and the footprint for this is very large. So they're drilling in Adams in Arapahoe County is really right on top of our service area. Take a little bit about our Land Development segment. Speaker 100:09:52So with Phase 2a nearly complete, so we illustrate this by a percent complete basis And that kind of smooths out the revenues. The revenues don't always match the timing of the cash flows. And as you've heard me speak in the past, we try and get our cash flows From our builders, so that they are able to help us with some of that very expensive horizontal costs. And at the same time, we don't incur We don't burden them with a large inventory of that cost upfront. So it's more of a as close to a real time delivery The revenues to the improvements as you can get within this business. Speaker 100:10:30And so what we see here is we're closing out of Phase 2a, Which is the first 200 and call it, 230 lots in there. We have a little bit of landscaping left and it's a little bit difficult to do that when it's below 0, but we'll Catch up on that towards the spring and the summer months and punch out that one. We've got most of the wet utilities done on Phase 2b and we should be starting to deliver lots in this quarter, Q2 and then through the rest of the year. So we'll deliver Phase all of the Phase 2b lots in this fiscal year. And then Phase 2C, we've actually started so that we're going to overlap that with Phase 2B, mostly because of The continued strength of our particular product in our segment, which is an entry level product here in the Denver market. Speaker 100:11:20And so You're going to continue to see us overlap some of those development phases and each of these phases continue to get their progress based on a Total delivery of the single family lots. And then we still have Phase 2d, which is a component of The second phase of the 8 60 lots down there, and we're looking to start that sometime next year as well, where we can continue to make sure that we're delivering All of those lots concurrently with the demand. I'm going to move into the single family segment here and I'm going to turn the mic over To Mark Spiezaly and have him give you kind of an update and an overview of our strategy with the single family rentals. So Mark, I'll Speaker 200:12:02let you take it. Thank you, Mark, and good morning, everyone. We continue to see high demand in our single family rental units and we're encouraged by the results that we've seen in the first As you can see from the chart, we started as a proof of concept just a few quarters back and in Q1 of 2024, We are starting to see the compounding effects on revenue as we scale to a larger number of completed units. We'd also like to highlight that the Single family rental unit segment complements our other segments by utilizing our portfolio of assets. Each completed unit As an average of $150,000 in equity, a cap capitalizing on our well priced lots and our water availability in this competitive housing market. Speaker 200:12:50This table takes what we've built to date in our Phase 1 proof of Concept as well as what we completed in Phase 2a and for checks out where we see this segment going as we continue to develop in Phase Develop the rest of Phase 2. Not only are we able to control our building costs Because of our position in land development and water, but we're able to do also able to control all of our operating costs as By maintaining these units in house, we're able to keep the operating costs down and really utilize this The next chart is really a graphical form of the previous table. It charts out where we are Objecting the reoccurring revenue from our rental income could be as we continue to build out Phase 2. We also are projecting our increase in asset value with the equity that we add in each of the units that we bring online. And with that, I'd like to turn the call back over to Mark Harding to discuss the portfolio of assets further. Speaker 100:13:59Great. Thanks. And so as Mark highlighted, one of the key things is and it really is indicative of all of our assets is the value of our assets, The difference between what we carry the assets for on the balance sheet together with the fair market value of those assets and that's why we like each of these segments, whether that segment is The water utility segment, whether that's our land development segment or whether that's our single family rental segments, What that does allow us is it allows us to punch a little bit above our weight on income relative to what the book value of the assets are. And so That's a story that we'd like to kind of continue to emphasize for the market, so that you all get an understanding of why it is that we're doing as well as we're doing with each of It isn't as though the operating results are truly extraordinary for a one time basis. They're really indicative of The appreciation of the asset value. Speaker 100:14:55And so how I want to highlight that a little bit is talk about that in the stored value that we have, not only in The asset themselves, but also the capacity for those assets to continue to generate revenue. And so when you look at that, You look at the water and the wastewater side, there's tremendous value as you all know in the water rights portfolio that we have. We have About 1300, 1360 units of a 60,000 connection capacity. You do the math on that, That's about 2% of the capacity that the portfolio can generate. So we have a tremendous stored value in that. Speaker 100:15:34If Take a look at the land of elements, Sky Ranch is really starting to hit its stride, but still having delivered Up through just that Phase 2a, we're really only about 14% of the total capacity of SkyRance being developed. And then our single family rentals, while we continue to deliver and expand that portfolio, we're still only about 7% towards our goal and our goal being Closer to 200 planned units in the community. If I take a look at how we try and graphically Straight that, the water segment has 2 revenue sources. We have the recurring revenue, which is really just water deliveries and we're delivering them on a monthly basis to our Residential customers as well as a monthly basis to oil and gas customers and we did have a great record quarter to oil and gas customers, but still we have Plenty of pedal left on that. If you take a look at annualizing that 15% of our capacity over the year, really that's still only about 60% of our transmission capacity. Speaker 100:16:41So we continue to look forward to meeting the demands of our residential customers as they'll grow as that grows month over month by delivery of new homes at Sky Ranch and at Wild Point and commercial customers as well, but also to continuing to serve the oil and gas community and Taking a look at the capital fees, the water tap fees, This kind of illustrates where our tap fees are today. Those continue to grow. That's really an illustration of the scarcity value of water and Increasing costs as we have to reach farther and farther out to deliver new water supplies, but really we're only about 2% of the capacity of our portfolio at 13.36. The additional capacity that we have with that transmission capacity can serve up to 2,005 100 connections, so we have the ability to get some additional connections without further investment. But we continue to invest in That delivery segment so that we can keep ahead of the demands for our oil and gas customers and make sure that we can meet their needs. Speaker 100:17:51This is a bit of an illustration on the land development side. And if you take a look at where our Opportunities are for the full build out of Sky Ranch that's closer to $580,000,000 We have Monetize a portion of that. We have approximately 6, 7 1P5 ish units that are built, that's about 14% of that capacity. The Phase 2 will carry us through the next 6.50 lots and then we have still another 800 residential connections and then our commercial connections And that's still the most valuable component of the portfolio. And while we're still a little bit early on the commercial side, we still continue to prepare and make sure that We have a good structure for delivery of value for those commercial lots. Speaker 100:18:45This on the single family rentals, if we're targeting our 200 units, What that does for us on annual rental revenues, so that's a little over $6,000,000 in Rental revenues at that full figure at about $2,800 per connection per unit. And so you'll continue to see us Add value there and we really add both book value, we add asset value and then we also add a little A lot of strength to our P and L, so that you'll continue to see that investment. So what are our key takeaways? As you've heard us talk from time to time, executing our strategic approach to growing the water utilities together with land development, single family rentals Maximizes the returns for us for years to come. And it also not only generates significant asset value, but significant recurring revenues at very high gross margin. Speaker 100:19:39So you take a look at really the strength of these assets and where we're continuing to build on those. We continue to deliver significant and strong results. We continue to invest in each segment as they continue to deliver those returns and we continue To pursue acquisitions, those are continuing. We still look for adding to the portfolio, whether that's in the water Water rights areas and looking for us to add both infrastructure as well as new water rights to the portfolio In strategic areas where those complement our existing investments. And then finally on 26, we continue to invest in ourselves. Speaker 100:20:22We continue to be in the market purchasing shares with a disciplined strategy. We set those benchmarks to our traders. They're in the market where it meets our requirements and it's a mystery to me as to how it trades and it also is a mystery to me as how our Traders trade those shares, but we give those there are certain rules and conditions that we can repurchase shares for, But we continue to be in that market and really reinvest in ourselves. So as this will kind of Close out the presentation with the list of our Board of Directors. We continue to benefit and rely on their wisdom, their experience and their strength in Guiding our principal business interest. Speaker 100:21:09So the shout out to those folks who Continue to be overworked and underpaid, and we are grateful for their service. So with that, I'm going to turn it back over to Holli and see if you all have any questions that we can drill down on and Give you a little bit more highlight. Operator00:21:26Certainly. At this time, we will be conducting a question and answer session. Your first question for today is coming from Bill Cunningham. Please announce your affiliation and pose your question. Speaker 300:22:27Hi. This is Bill Cunningham. I'm a private investor. And my first question has to do with your fracking revenue, Mark, Which was very good this quarter. I saw $2,000,000 on that, which means that $250,000 per frac as you Well site right near your office that you were planning on starting in the fall and in fact it started. Speaker 300:23:03So I'm wondering about the other 8 wells there and whether they're fracking through the winter or whether the weather is impacting that or whether you can give us any kind of general flavor or guidance on what the fracking water sales revenue might be for This quarter and possibly a bit into the future. Speaker 100:23:24Yes, good question. I will tell you that Those frac crews and the drill crews by and large are hardy, hardy guys and women. They are out there 20 fourseven through the winter and being out there 20 fourseven over the last 3 days where it hasn't gotten above 0 here It's hazard to any measure, but no, they do frac. Water tends to get a little stiff At those temperatures and so they do actually preheat that. So they heat it coming out of the reservoir Before they put it into the line, then that line just is laying on the ground. Speaker 100:24:08So it's fully exposed and it gets snowed on and It's a complicated venture for that, but they are flowing at quite a volume. They're flowing as much as 4000 gallons a minute. And so when it's flowing like that, it has a tendency to stay liquid. And then they want to make sure that They get that continuous operation and it's part of that technology of the fracking. Once you're in the hole, you kind of have to keep through that hole. Speaker 100:24:39So We are continuing to frac. As far as the Q2 cycle, I'm pretty optimistic that Q2 is going to look a lot like Q1 and Q3 and Q4. I hope we're going to look like Q1. The thing about the oil and gas companies is they pay you to be at their beck and call, but they don't always call. And so I think that the stability of the regulations here in the Colorado market Are lending themselves to continued investment by oil and gas industries as well as the strength of the oil and gas market. Speaker 100:25:17While it isn't as good as it was At $100 a barrel, I think these operators are very comfortable continuing to make their investments at the current rates. And I wish I had An idea of what dollar number that would turn off or speed up, but They don't share that information other than the fact that they've given us a projection that would continue to support similar results to Q1. Speaker 300:25:46Well, I would be thrilled with $1,000,000 or $2,000,000 of water sales to those companies. And I believe Civitas is your major customer or one of the major customers and they have some pretty aggressive goals on their website. So I'm also looking at that. So this all looks good from my perspective. Speaker 100:26:07Yes, they are. They are. And they're not the only one, but they are the largest And they do have a number of wells drilled. They've actually got once The pad that you referenced was right behind the office. But the other thing that we're excited about is the next pad that they're going to shift to happens to be Our Sky Ranch pad and so they're going to be fracking an 8 well pad site on Sky Ranch. Speaker 100:26:33So not only do we get a bunch of money from our frac revenues, but you'll See our oil and gas royalty revenue tick up because those will get completed. Speaker 300:26:43Okay. Are they new wells or are they refracing of Old Speaker 100:26:48wells. These are all new wells. Okay. All new wells. Speaker 300:26:53Okay. And then I have a question on actually your development at Sky Ranch, I know you've got multiple phases going on right now, particularly 2b and 2c. I'm guessing that 2B must be you're going full speed ahead with that. I saw that it looks like Lennar has totally Sold out. Your other builders are in various stages of almost sold out. Speaker 300:27:20So I assume some of them are Chomping at the bit to be able to start selling homes in 2B and I'm just wondering physically what the status of 2B is right now? Speaker 100:27:34You're right. And I often lament on the builders because they're sort of a light switch Turning on and off their sales team when it doesn't quite work that way in delivering lots. And so When they asked us to take a 90 day pause there between 2A and 2B on the start of that and now they're saying, oh, could you please hurry up and deliver You see, it kind of is that hurry up and wait mode, but it is Our model and I will describe it this way, our model of being able to do this on an incremental basis where we've got The bulk of the backbone infrastructure constructed, right? A lot of that is carried on our balance sheet as you know through the reimbursable note receivable And they are deep into chomping on getting to be there. And because we have some of that background infrastructure already done, we're likely to deliver maybe a couple dozen lots That are going to front streets that are already complete, so that they can start those this winter. Speaker 100:28:45Timing of that is Really discretionary for them because the hardest thing for them to do is get those foundations poured. Concrete doesn't do so well at these temperatures, but they Do they can be optimistic about that and they can get those foundations in. It's really just a day to get those things poured. They can blanket them. They can start Those foundation, once they get that done, they can continue to work in really all temperatures on the framing side. Speaker 100:29:12So that's what they really want is they want us to deliver them. Even if we're not done with all of them, they can take them as we get them. And so you'll see some phased incremental deliveries on that On 2B, 2C, the best thing you can do in the winter temperature wise is the grading, which is the dirt work and those guys are in those nice Big yellow pieces of iron and they're moving around in a comfy cozy cabin, digging and moving dirt and that doesn't bother them so much. So you're You're going to see a lot of that activity over the winter and we really did want to capitalize on that this winter. So we pulled the trigger on that one just making sure that We could do that seasonality aspect and then start being in a position to deliver lots End of this calendar year in 2024 on 2C as well. Speaker 300:30:03Okay. That's great. I assume on 2B that there's You're probably going to there's probably no roads paved interior yet, but you'll probably be doing some of that in the spring once the weather improves? Speaker 100:30:17Yes, exactly right. We'll be grading it. We'll be getting it fully prepped. And then that goes super fast. It's stunning How quickly the site goes from looking like a dirty mess to a fully lot driven streets, curbs and gutters. Speaker 100:30:35So but it is temperature driven. We do have to that's going to probably start in April timeframe and hopefully finish that one up Within a 60 day timeframe. Speaker 300:30:46Great. Thank you very much, Mark. Speaker 100:30:48Thank you, Operator00:31:09Your next question for today is coming from Jeffrey Scott with Scott Asset Management. Speaker 400:31:15Good morning, Mark. How are you? Speaker 100:31:17I'm great, Jeff. How are you? Speaker 400:31:19Very well. Thank you. What is the timing on commercial development? We've talked about this for an awful long time and it's always out there in the future. It will happen, but we don't know when. Speaker 400:31:33Can you give us some color on current plans and projections? Thanks. Speaker 100:31:40You bet. You bet. And that is a high value component for us. And we continue to talk with commercial developers. And I would say that There's a little more interest on the industrial side necessarily than the retail or the big box stores. Speaker 100:32:01It really is a function of the number of rooftops. And while we've delivered 700 rooftops that are captive market for them, I think they're looking at closer to a couple of 1,000 rooftops and there's 2 things that would be Adding to that connectivity, one of them is, as we've talked about in the past is the interchange. We've got that We're going to be building a new interchange right at the highway there and we've got some mill levy set aside so that we can bond that out. We're in the middle of the 1601, which is the permitting process with CDOT to get that done. We should have that done towards the end of this year. Speaker 100:32:42The second component of that is extension of 1 of the roadways. One of our major arterials is 6th Avenue And have that extend west to connect up to another north south arterial to add that link into Some of the development that's in the City of Aurora directly south of us, that particular roadway is the responsibility of the developer south of us. They're looking at starting that corner of activity sometime this year. And so that connectivity again We'll add some more connections in there. And I would say, we're still probably looking at Late 2025 for some of that commercial activity, Jeff. Speaker 100:33:28As much as I'd like to accelerate that and have tried, have tried by Speaker 400:33:43Okay. So if I understand correctly, by end of 2025, some of the infrastructure will be completed. How many rooftops will you have by the end of 2025? Speaker 100:33:56If we maintain our current pace, we're probably taking down about 200 Homes a year. So that's another 400 homes in that connection. So that's getting pretty close to a couple of 1,000 connections. Speaker 400:34:11Okay. So you're really looking at pretty much 2027 for Real commercial developments? Speaker 100:34:22Well, I think because most of that infrastructure is already there, You're going to see transactions. You're going to see lot transactions. You're going to see tap transactions. You're going to see us making Participating in some of that development where we can hold the equity value of the land And partner with someone to go vertical on that and then exit when a particular facility structure is fully leased. So we're looking at pursuing all of those avenues in commercial. Speaker 400:34:58Okay. Thanks, Mark. Speaker 100:35:00You bet. Operator00:35:14Your next question is coming from Elliot Knight with Knight Advisors. Speaker 500:35:20Good morning, Mark. Speaker 100:35:22Good morning, Ali. Good to hear from you. Speaker 500:35:24Well, You have done a beautiful job today of outlining the values that In Pure Cycles control, it's a question as always as How rapidly they can be monetized? One thing we've talked about before, And that's paying a cash dividend. You've always said, Well, the Board wants to be sure that there are adequate recurring revenues Before they initiate a dividend, aren't you really already there where you could begin A dividend even if small, even if an annual dividend. Would you give us your thoughts on that please? Speaker 100:36:25You've got a very good point there. When you take a look at the one of the things that we sought to do to accelerate that recurring revenue is The single family rental side and that continues to grow and become meaningful and really when we're adding new customers, new connections Each month on both the water side as well as the single family rentals, that gets us a whole lot closer to that determination. And it is I will tell you, it is a component of the Board discussion. Each Board meeting is the appropriate benchmark And it's twofold. It is that recurring revenue stream, but then it's also capital needs and How we're starting each individual project to accelerate the development of both the land And the water utility side as well as the single family rentals. Speaker 100:37:20I think maybe some of the pause that we're looking at On that is that we've got a pretty aggressive start for some of the single family rentals. So we've moved from where we originally anticipated 40 Single family rentals in Phase 2 to 90. So we more than doubled that capacity. And it's very it's a very not only very attractive for us on the income side, but on how we're able to leverage that and we're able to Put in place mortgage type debt instruments. They're not actual mortgages because the company Can't hold an actual mortgage, but a mortgage type instrument in there to give us the capacity to keep that off balance sheet. Speaker 100:38:06But it's in the delivery of those that become a little bit challenging for us and quarter over quarter, year over year that gets Once we complete the units and we like to complete those by phase and then roll the financing instrument by each of those units, I think you'll probably see that be a little bit different in our second phase as we continue to mature that relationship with our bank where they're able to Finance this at each individual closing and we get an instrument, a loan instrument that delivers each quarter. So instead of us financing set the construction of 17 homes and then refinancing that all at once, What we're looking to do is say each time we deliver you a CEO, we'll drop down what would be that 17 home financing. So We want to see that work for us and make sure that that doesn't constrain our capital side and then Deliver those next 17 units and probably take a look at it after that. Speaker 500:39:15And what would the timing of that be? Speaker 100:39:22Yes, probably, I would say we'll bring this to a serious consideration of the Board at the January Board meeting next year. Speaker 500:39:31Okay. Thank you. That's very Speaker 100:39:32helpful. I know that that will put you on a little sour note, but give you the Expectation that it is part of our agenda, but I think it's also a component of making sure that we build each of these segments up appropriately with our Capital commitments on the balance sheet. So we're going to continue to protect that. Speaker 500:39:54I think that's a very fair answer and your candor as always is appreciated. I'd like to make one other comment. I really thought the slide that you put on, I don't know what number it is, About the stock repurchases, I've never seen a company put up a slide such as that. I think it's wonderful and thank you for showing it. I hope you'll continue to show it. Speaker 500:40:24Thank you. That's all I Speaker 100:40:26have for you. You bet. Appreciate that. We're really trying to balance competing with you all to buy those shares at those attractive prices. We understand that. Speaker 100:40:35But by and token, I think that if the stock doesn't trade appropriately, we continue to believe that that's a worthwhile return for our shareholders. Speaker 500:40:48Well, that gives us a wonderful sense of what you're thinking It's an undervalued and attractive price at which to buy the stock. So it's very helpful and thank you. You bet. Operator00:41:06We have reached the end of the question and answer session. And I will now turn the call over Speaker 100:41:15Thank you. Again, if you're listening to this on a rebroadcast If you had a technical challenge or if it was just too early and too cold to get on this call live and something comes up as you Work through the deck or you work through the comments, don't hesitate to give us a call. Happy to drill down on any of the specifics and I want to continue to thank you all for your continued support and we will continue to add value and do the best we can with these assets of yours. So with that, I'll bid you all a good day. Operator00:41:52This concludes today's conference and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.Read morePowered by