Volution Group H2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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October 10, 2024

There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Okay. Brilliant. Okay. Well, reassuring everybody found it to the right location. We're a little bit concerned this morning as we moved it.

Operator

But look, welcome. Great to have you all here today. Quite an interesting sort of set of results. This is 10 years 10 full years listed. So a little bit of the theme to our presentation today will be about our sort of 10 year performance.

Operator

But look, we're really great to be here today. It's probably not going to come as a surprise. You're going to do the usual sort of overview. I'll do that very quickly. Andy gets to do the interesting part on the financial review, but it is really an interesting part.

Operator

There's so many sort of highlights to pick out. I'll come back on the business review, 3 geographic areas. And then at the end, we'll talk about summary and outlook. But as I say, it's 10 years since we listed, I remember it, June 2014. Scary how we've had 10 full financial years.

Operator

But look, it's for us continuing to deliver strong compounding growth, and I'll come back to that in a little bit more detail. And there's absolutely no doubt that the wider market backdrop isn't particularly helpful. So we're particularly pleased about our results in that context. Our revenue growth in the year was 8% on a constant currency basis. Our adjusted operating profit up by nearly 12%, 11.7% and adjusted earnings per share up by 8.5%.

Operator

And look, our asset light but not underinvested business model continues to deliver excellent cash generation, 107% cash generation in FY 'twenty four, a 10 year average of 97%. And that's obviously hugely important for our strategy and our ongoing desire to further consolidate the market and make acquisitions. Coming on to that, we acquired only one small transaction in the year. That was DBS Proven Systems on the 4th August 2023. So actually, that was all that we did in the year.

Operator

But of course, Andy and I and the rest of the team were in the knowledge of Fantech, and we signed that deal shortly after the year end. I'll come back to it in a little bit more detail. But look, really delighted about the fact that the strong cash generation from the business has helped us or will help us complete that transaction from just cash and debt facilities alone. And on the sustainability side, Product, Planet and People, I'll talk about what we're doing there, but really very excited about how we have further made steps and improvements in the year. But look, it's another year of strong performance demonstrating the strength and resilience of our business model.

Operator

And this slide, I think, is particularly pleasing. I mean, if we can sort of make an exception for the COVID year and certainly by the year after COVID, we'd more than recovered to keep that trend going. But this makes me very proud. Revenue growth, 11.2 percent compounding over 10 years. Adjusted cash flow, 14.2 percent, particularly strong, of course, last year.

Operator

But still believe that we can continue with our adjusted cash flow on that sort of level. Adjusted earnings per share, 12.3 percent compounding. Adjusted operating profit, 11.4%. And if you look at the top box on the right hand side, the group in 2014, £120,000,000 of revenue. I've been CEO now for nearly 13 years, 10 years listed.

Operator

When I first started, it was about £90,000,000 of revenue, £120,000,000 when we listed, 30% of revenue from or less than 30% revenue from non U. K. Customers and now close to £350,000,000 of revenue, doesn't include Fantech that comes later. Less than 60% of our revenue from non UK customers, just under 60% in 17 countries, 22 brands and just under 2,000 employees. So I think when you see that slide there, and I know a lot of the questions that we get around the resilience and ongoing performance of the business, but I don't know how long you have to go before it becomes a track record.

Operator

But certainly, we've got 10 years under our belt now, so we're feeling reasonably confident. I'm not going to go into this slide in a lot of detail, but it's just worth a reminder about our sort of compelling value creation delivered through a clear and consistent strategy and differentiated business model, quite a mouthful there. But we haven't materially changed the strategy in the 10 years that we've been listed. We had a strategy review, funnily enough, in July with the wider Board, and we are not about to make any wild changes to our strategy going forwards. We're in a market with structural growth drivers underpinning long term growth.

Operator

Structural undersupply of new homes, I won't go through all of these in detail, but maybe when I come back to the business review, you'll see how regulations are helping support what is probably a counterintuitive performance. How does Volusion grow in residential new build construction in the last 12 months? It's because of regulatory underpinning. And I'm not saying this regulatory underpinning happens in all markets all of the time, but when it does have an impact, and I'll come back to it in the U. K.

Operator

Later on, it can be quite profound. And of course, the direction of travel for regulations and sustainability more generally, You can debate the steepness of the trend trajectory, but the direction is very clear. We're only going one way when it comes to regulations. Our differentiated business case, as we can talk about there, the leading product and technology offering, strong brands, we're accumulating brands and we value those brands and it's very important. And our strategic pillars, growing well organically, value adding acquisitions, operational excellence to improve them and sustainability at our core.

Operator

And if we just have a look there, over time, revenue growth, plus 10% per annum. Go back to the previous slide, we've exceeded that. Organic growth between the 3% 5% range. Operating profit margins over 20%. We increased 22.5% last year.

Operator

Earnings per share, plus 10%. We've talked about compounding growth rate of 12%. Adjusted operating cash conversion of more than 90%. We've set a 10 year average of 97%. And the return on invested capital of over 20%.

Operator

We actually slightly improved it in the year, although, of course, Fantech will come up next and Andy can cover that. So as I say, just a very quick summary, more about our 10 year history. Andy will come back now in a little bit more detail and talk specifically about the year that we've just completed.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Ronny. Morning, everybody. So

Operator

we're just on the

Speaker 1

10 year slide at risk of being fractionally repetitive. This is now a 5 year view of it, which unsurprisingly shows you broadly the same trends. So look, we always start with this slide. I think it's hopefully a helpful way of referencing both the current year performance, but also importantly putting into that context of consistency of delivery and really, really pleasing across all of the metrics. I won't go through them all, but if I was going to pull out a couple of them, the strength of the margins, I think that's that is something that we prize absolutely highly.

Speaker 1

And I think a further uptick of 120 basis points in the operating margin from 21.3% to 22.5% in the year. And then actually, it'd be quite nice in 12 months' time, I can drop the 2020 bar. And hopefully, as long as 2025 shows a good number, you'll then have a pretty consistent track down that line there. Strong operating profit growth of just under 12% in the year, but really pleasing for me, for all of us that, that comes through and a little bit more at a cash level. So 13.5% growth in operating cash flow during the year.

Speaker 1

That brought our leverage down at 31st July to just to 0.4x. Now clearly, we've got pretty good use for this cash already earmarked coming up in a few months' time. But I think the fact that we are about to go into subject to the completion, about to go into our biggest acquisition by some considerable distance and that we can finance it through the group's cash and the new facility, which we've recently announced and not having to raise any equity. And indeed, for the 20 plus transactions that preceded it, it's the same story. I think that's just a really, really critical part of the business model.

Speaker 1

A little bit more detail here on the in year numbers. The comments to the right, hopefully trying to answer ahead of time some of the questions that you guys might normally have. So on the revenue side of things, so 6% revenue growth, 8% constant currency, of which 1.5% was organic. To our best estimate, price benefit in the year was about 2%. That number at the half year was more like 2.5%.

Speaker 1

12 months ago, it was just a little bit above 3%. So what I've been saying, and this is true now, is that we are now back into a much more normalized pricing environment sort of moving forward. I've already alluded to the operating margin uptick of 120 basis points. Those of you who have gone sort of deeper into the announcement will see that actually at a gross margin level, we grew 2.90 basis points in the year. So really, really strong gross margin gains.

Speaker 1

And this that's been delivered through, obviously, some price, but it's predominantly down to product cost initiatives due to really good operational performance. There is some mix benefit, and I'll come on to a little bit of that when we come into the sort of the regional breakdown. Finance costs, obviously, were a little bit of a headwind in the year well, a little bit a substantial headwind in the year just gone because of the movement in base rates and interest rates across our patch, which is why the 11.5% just above operating profit growth translates to an 8.5%, still very, very good, but it's slightly dilutive to the EPS level. And the bottom bullet point there, so the proposed dividend, which obviously we approved in December at the AGM, would bring us to GBP 0.09 per share for the year, which is 12.5 percent up on the dividend from the previous year. I won't say too much on this slide because I think the interesting dynamic will be the regional breakdown, which Ronny will come on to later.

Speaker 1

Yes, quite a lot of moving pieces, some very strong performance areas, some slightly tougher performance areas. But good that actually we had a nice organic growth in the U. K. And in the other two regions where we had some slightly more mixed market conditions, we were still able to maintain our position organically. This slide then on margin.

Speaker 1

So just a couple of things I'll sort of draw right. And on the previous one, you'll have seen GBP 4,900,000 organic revenue growth. Here, where we then split down the operating profit growth between the same buckets, so organic, inorganic and FX, organic coming through at GBP 6,000,000. So GBP 4,900,000 revenue, GBP 6,000,000 operating profit. This, again, is just a reminder of the margin performance.

Speaker 1

When we go down to the bottom right there on the regions, so we had nice well, very, very strong margin growth in the UK. I think there's a number of pieces inside it. But clearly, it is our focus on product cost initiatives, whether that's procurement or value engineering. There is a bit of a mixed benefit in the U. K.

Speaker 1

Because the lowest margin piece of our U. K. Portfolio is our OEM business, which, as Ronny will come on to later, is clearly an area that was very difficult last year, whereas the really, really strong area in Residential tends to be our highest margin piece of the U. K. Estate.

Speaker 1

Continental Europe, nice to see margins go up 110 basis points there. Again, there's a little bit of a mixed benefit. So probably our strong well, our strongest performer in Continental Europe last year was Klimarad, which is one of our highest margin parts of the group. But actually, I was doing a little look at it earlier today. Every single country, the margin of that individual country was either consistent with the year before or slightly ahead.

Speaker 1

So good underlying performance across the patch and then a little bit of mix benefit as well. Australasia, the reduction there is the mix impact going the other way. So we brought in DVS at the start of the financial year. DVS is approximately 15% of our of last year's Australasian revenue. It will be hopefully a much smaller number next year, not because of their performance but because of what we're bringing in.

Speaker 1

But it was about 15% of our 2024 Australasian revenue at a margin that is 10%, 12% lower than our legacy businesses in that part of the world. So 15% on 12%. You can see the math there. Hence, 1.2% margin reduction. Actually, organically, there was probably a slight improvement.

Speaker 1

Really pleasing slide for me. I think it largely speaks for itself, but strong earnings performance in the year, a nice helpful inflow from working capital, mainly inventory and our focus on inventory there. What we said, those of you who've been here with us for a number of years, was it 2, 3 years ago that we put in a significant investment in inventory as part of our sort of post COVID and dealing with supply chain difficulties. And what we said was we believed that we were not going to bring that right back down, but we did believe that there was opportunities to progressively enhance and optimize that. And this is what we've carried on doing during the year.

Speaker 1

Just sort of in terms of organization, the slide, that's useful just to sort of show our 3 capital allocation priorities: clear, unchanged, CapEx to invest in the business organically. And we always say sort of GBP 7,000,000 to GBP 8 1,000,000 is roughly what we need to spend, absent anything exceptional, GBP 7,100,000 this year. Last year, I think, GBP 7,900,000 and then acquisitions and dividend. And all of that brings you back to the sort of GBP 31,500,000 net debt, which substantially the lowest that we've been in our history. Yes, that will change next year, hopefully.

Speaker 1

Then this slide here, returns on invested capital, which we've been obviously running for the last couple of years. So continuing to show really, really strong returns here substantially ahead of our weighted average cost of capital. The sort of 40 basis points increase in the year would essentially be 2 things in the upward direction. We've got the continuing strength of margin and margin performance. And then there's a slight offsetting from the acquisition effect of the 3 acquisitions that came in, in late financial year 2023 and financial year 2024.

Speaker 1

Just to sort of give a little bit of a trailer, I thought it was help again, you guys could probably have got to the number anyway, but helpful just to sort of say that Fantech, simply by its size and scale, we think we this will be, once it's completed, a very, very attractive acquisition at a very good price, but very clearly, it is still substantially dilutive to the return on invested capital. We estimate an annualized effect, so not necessarily 2025 because that will be part year.

Speaker 2

But if

Speaker 1

you were to do an annualized effect of Fantech, it's about 4% dilution on your returns there. But you're still nicely north of 20%. And as we said in the strap line there, we remain confident in maintaining these returns above 20% whilst continuing to invest and grow the business. I think we've covered most of these through the couple of slides so far. But again, just a reminder, these are our key targets that remain unchanged.

Speaker 1

I think the financial year 2024 performance, we were really pleased with how they those performances line up against all of those targets. We've got the 5 year averages or in the case of the returns, the 3 year average. And again, that sort of consistency of delivery is really, really key for us. So with that, I'll

Operator

pass back to Ronny. Thank you. So just looking at the sort of complexion of the group and how it's changed and actually I'd probably rather refer to this slide. We've talked about our geographic diversity and how I think that really does help us. And so if you look at it, as I said, back in 2012, the business was completely U.

Operator

K. Centric, focusing on residential ventilation. Over time, we've moved to a more international business with Continental Europe growing there. You can see the green bar as it expands both organically into acquisition and then the blue piece on the end. And then of course, if you pro form a FanTech, then actually come up quite elegantly with 3 bars that are plusminus of a similar size.

Operator

And that's our focus. We think that geographic diversity has been hugely helpful for us. I'd love as the Chief Executive to be able to tell you that all of our markets will go all going up at the same time, but life isn't quite as simple and straightforward as that. But look, what we've had over recent years is a maybe stronger Continental European performance up until more recently. Now we're seeing a stronger UK residential performance.

Operator

And in Australasia, I think we're seeing a mixed performance with Australia much stronger than New Zealand. But this geographic diversity is, I think, what gives us that dependency, that consistency of results delivery over time. Our performance isn't predicated on one individual area. And we're very pleased about how this has materially changed over time. So we'll go into the individual detail now and just have a look.

Operator

And so some of the pies that we're showing there. So this is U. K. Revenue, 46% of the group, although the export revenue is, of course, non UK. So if you take that out, that's why you end up with 60% of the group's revenue not being dependent on UK activity.

Operator

In the UK, where it's quite easy, it's sort of 2 thirds residential, 1 third commercial, it's about 2 thirds RMI and 1 third new build. But we had a good performance overall, 3.1% at constant currency, but up 17% in residential. And of course, on the other side, we had very weak OEM and commercial. But look, there is absolutely no doubt that there is a hugely heightened awareness around mould and condensation, indoor air quality. We could talk now about the private rental bill that's going to mirror the public rental bill.

Operator

We're seeing strong demand in social housing refurbishment. We think that's only set to continue. And we're seeing the regulatory impact that we talked about. We sat here in 2022 talking about part F and L. And the question, of course, was when do we see the benefit of that?

Operator

I think we've materially seen the benefit of it in our last financial year. But we've also done very well with gaining share. And this is sort of where you piece it together, an understanding of where the rigs are going and innovation around some certain product groups and then capturing share, which has really helped us underpin a strong residential revenue growth. As I said, that 17% is probably strongest in residential new build, also strong in UK social housing, but also some private refurbishment as well. And in commercial, we're personally disappointed about commercial, 6% decline.

Operator

I think it'd be quite easy to blame the market. The commercial markets are tough, but we expect to do more in this arena over time. We've made quite a lot of investment in the year in terms of new products. We've certainly strengthened the senior leadership team. We're adding to that team at the moment, and we believe that we should do better over time in the UK commercial market.

Operator

And of course, the polarization now to residential versus commercial is quite stark, but certainly an opportunity for us to do better in the future. And then in export, small growth in export in the year, strong performance in Ireland, slight decline in other areas. But if we look at the Irish newbuild market, which actually is underpinned quite well, the regulatory drivers in Ireland have actually gone more quickly. And so we have more systems demand pro rata to the volume of build than we do in the UK market currently, but I think that's a really good indicator of where the UK market gets to over time. And then OEM, we trailed this all the way through the year.

Operator

It was very weak, particularly in export to customers, to the quite large customers in the Netherlands having a really tough time with newbuild exposure. And we did quite a bit of work in terms of the OEM activities during the course of the year, consolidated 2 factories into 1, made quite a step improvement in terms of the gross margin and indirect cost. And we think the outlook will be slightly better this year coming off the back of a very weak performance in 2024. But look, overall, it's quite amusing for me, UK operating profit margin now at 25%, actually the highest of the three areas. And for those that have followed us over time, we always talked about why was the U.

Operator

K. Lagging the rest of the group. And of course, now the conversation Andy and I have with the rest of the group is why is it lagging the U. K. But look, 25% operating profit margin.

Operator

Certainly, some operating leverage as the revenue drops through, but some margin expansion, particularly with some of those new innovations that we brought to market. And I just think Andy made an interesting point earlier about how each of our operating areas, even the ones that are experiencing a more difficult challenging end market, still manage to hold or improve their margin. For me, this is absolutely part of our DNA. This is how we work in terms of initiatives. There's never really one big initiative that transforms the landscape.

Operator

It's just an accumulation of lots and lots of small operational excellence initiatives, and you can see the benefit there in the UK performance. So that was without doubt the sort of major highlight for us. Continental Europe is difficult. If we look at the performance overall in the year, yes, we had some growth, but that was mainly acquisition led. We've added some nice companies to the group over the last couple of years in Slovenia, in France, and it has been a more challenging market.

Operator

But nevertheless, we still improved our operating profit by 13.9% without a huge benefit from the organic play. There's quite a bit of mix going on there. If I call out that the Nordics was probably a little bit better in half two than half one. We've had a tough time in the Nordics over the last few years. But I think that that's probably behind us and I think our outlook is a little bit more positive there, but not getting over enthusiastic about what's happening.

Operator

We've had an exceptionally strong performance in the Netherlands with Klimarad, a company that we acquired in December 2020. That's continued to perform very well in quite a niche in terms of refurbishment, and the proposition there has been very strong. The revenue growth has been strong and the order we track both the revenue, as you can see it here, but also the project order intake. The order bank has grown nicely in the year. And look, quite small, didn't participate particularly well last year, but the acquisition we made in France, we were into Klima last week exhibiting.

Operator

We've got a whole raft of new group products that we've introduced the portfolio. This was a distribution play. We wanted the coverage of the French market. It's a big market. We have a very small share.

Operator

And only this morning, I was looking at some information about how our new products are starting to get traction. And we'll grow more quickly in France now because we have an insignificant share of a very attractive market. So look, overall, Continental Europe had been sort of the star performer in the group, if you like, in the 1st 5, 6, 7 years after listing. And I would say against the backdrop of a weak Continental European market, we're very, very happy with the performance there. And potentially, if market commentators are correct and we do see a recovery coming over the next 12 months, then obviously we're very well placed to benefit from that.

Operator

Australasia, strong performance in Australia. It's the bigger market, more challenging market conditions in New Zealand, although pleased to see there was a 50 basis points cut in local interest rates a couple of days ago. So that will certainly help us. But look, in that market, we grew 17.5%, but that's again assisted by the DVS acquisition that we made in New Zealand. But there is and there's also the currency headwind as well.

Operator

We sometimes underestimate that, but actually it's been impacting us over the last couple of years there as you've had weak local currencies and that translation impact in earnings has been quite profound on an accumulated basis. But look, Australia performed very well. Ventair ceiling fans moving to low carbon solutions has gone very well. New Zealand has been weaker. But overall, we had a margin reduction of 120 basis points, which is almost exclusively aligned to DVS.

Operator

What we're doing in DVS at the moment is introducing some initiatives to reduce product costs that will have a more material impact in FY 2025 rather than in 2024. But look, I think the most exciting part about what's happening in the region for us now and next is the agreement to acquire Fantech that we signed more recently. And maybe we should come on to that. I was really pleased that we kept this acquisition secret, and that was very important. I think the confidentiality was key.

Operator

This is a process that was bilateral. I think the owner did discuss it with a couple of others from a sort of price discovery perspective. But the important thing to understand here is this is an acquisition that I believe only Volusion and maybe only a few others could have got to an agreement stage. And that's really important for us. Quite often, people talk about publicly played out processes.

Operator

And there was one that Andy and I talked about more recently in Spain that we were disappointed not to be successful with, but it was a full process and quite a fruity multiple in the end. But look, paying 8.5 times trailing EV EBITDA for a market leader in Australia and New Zealand, I think, is pretty impressive. If this had been a full auction process, then you'd have probably seen 2 or 3 turns on the multiple. So why didn't the seller, why didn't the owner run a full auction process? I think at the point at a certain point, the price was sufficient, and it was absolutely about the and the due diligence in Fantech was about us as the new owner.

Operator

And I saw that firsthand. I was joking with some others about my over my jet lag and I think I was probably at the weekend, but I popped out for 3 or 4 days, sat with the owner as he addressed the workforce and listened to what he said about us. And it was hugely complementary. Volusion is a pure play ventilation company that protects brands, has a track record of enhancing acquisitions that have been made, keeps the management. And that was absolutely important to the seller.

Operator

And I think that's why we were able to consummate an acquisition here that others certainly a financial sponsor, a financial buyer wouldn't have been on the table. And I think other strategics would have struggled to convince the seller in the way that we've been able to do so. So look, it's hugely compelling. There is an antitrust issue that we're going through that's underway. It's quite nicely underway.

Operator

We're not nervous about that process, and that's because of the complementarity of the asset. This is a leader in commercial ventilation, where in Australia, we have no revenue. So the overlaps are quite small. We're going through that process now. And I think the view is that this is probably an end of calendar year completion for us, so hopefully by the 31st December.

Operator

And I think linked to this is our people and our bench strength and we talk about it. And I've given this along with the wider team and the Board a lot of thought over the last couple of years because we think about where we're going. It's not about where we are today. It's about having the bench and the people, capacity and alignment for where we're going 3, 5, 10 years down the line. And we carried out our 1st employee engagement survey.

Operator

This was group wide. The score was 74. It's sort of 74 out of 100, but it was 74. But look, there's some quotes along the bottom there. We picked these out.

Operator

I don't need to read them. You can read them for yourself. But I was really very excited. I was particularly excited about the participation in the survey. We had a very high level of participation.

Operator

People were keen to get involved. And that actually we carried out October last year and there's been a whole raft of follow ups. But we have been attracting and developing in the management team. New Group Technical Director, Martin Goodfellow, has been with us for 6 months, making great progress about having a more holistic innovation team that leverages our capability. And of course, knowing that Fantech hopefully comes into the group in the next couple of months and how do we integrate that well and have an outstanding technical competence that is far in excess of what anyone else would have locally.

Operator

And I think that's an important ingredient in terms of how we run the business. And Management Development Program is coming to an end Management Development Program 4 comes to an end on the 24th October, really pleased about that. And we've already flagged that we'll have Management Development Program 5 to follow. New Australasian Managing Director, Geoff Nicholl, that we hired back at the beginning of the year with the likelihood, the expectation that Fantech would come into the group. Ian Ball, he's been with us since we acquired SYMEX in 2018, but will retire by the end of next year.

Operator

There's a really nice handover. It will be gradual. It's going on now. No dramas. It's important that we don't drop the ball as we move along.

Operator

But look, the bench strength, I actually I did an interview for one of the journals this morning and I said actually my sense is running Volusion today, believe it or not, more complex, more geographically dispersed, is actually easier today than it was when I first took over 13 years ago. And that's a credit to the wider bench and the strength of the people that we've got running the business day to day. And just to finish here, one of the important issues for us around people is that people should come to work and go home at the end of the day and keeping our people safe is really important to us. And we had a big step improvement in our accident frequency rate in the year. So really pleased about that drop by a third down to 0.2.

Operator

So that was very really, very pleasing. Sustainability at our core, healthy air sustainably. Again, not to go through each of these individually, but our total revenue from low carbon products grew a little bit in the year. Actually, our heat recovery total revenue percentage declined, and that's partly to do with the declines that we had in Germany, in particular, that had a more profound impact. But this is heat recovery rather than low carbon.

Operator

So our low carbon products were growing, but not necessarily the ones with heat recovery, if you can follow that through. Recycled Plastics, we said the 90% target would be a stretch, and it is a stretch. We haven't given up on it, and that's why we've shown you some exit rates at the end of the year there. So you can see that the group exit rate was at 83%. And credit to our Reading facility, there's a little bit of detail in the wider statement.

Operator

But our Reading facility is now over 90%, which is outstanding. And we've got to bring our Nordic colleagues and some other smaller areas of the group along. So I think we can hit our 90% recycled content target, but it may just be a couple of years later than we originally expected. And look, a few statistics there around carbon intensity and total absolute carbon emissions. And finally, but not least, is SBTI.

Operator

So you can see the program that we're on there. We're actually at the technical verification stage. That was in August, and we expect that target to be approved by the end of the year. So we're really pleased. And we said last year, this is what we would be doing about SBTI.

Operator

So what does all of that mean? This is just recapping on what's happened. But look, the outlook and notwithstanding the markets are difficult, but we've had a good start to the New Year. The 1st couple of months have gone well. We are growing organically.

Operator

We can only grow by organic means. We have no acquisition tailwind at the moment from the prior year. And our operating profit is ahead of the same period prior year. And we're really pleased about that. We think the market the end markets are difficult.

Operator

We obviously have access to the peer group information as reported. And to be still growing organically and moving forward is a great pleasure for us. And we think we've got really good momentum in the business locally. And of course, exciting post year end development, we're really very excited about that, pleased that we can talk about it more publicly now. Of course, we were working on that transaction, I think, intimately for about 12 months.

Operator

Always makes it a little bit difficult when people talk about is there anything in the pipeline and is it going to be harder to consummate deals and so forth. And of course, we're itching to tell you that actually we've got the biggest one to date on the block, but of course, for obvious reasons, we weren't able to do so. So look, we as the Board are confident of another year of progress across the group. So with that, I'd be very happy to hand over to questions. Okay.

Operator

We've got a mic for you although. Aynsley, thank you.

Speaker 3

Thanks. Good morning. Aynsley Lammer from Investec. I think just 2 actually. Obviously, recent trade in you've alluded to in line with expectations.

Speaker 3

Just interested to hear your thoughts as you look at calendar 'twenty five given what you've seen over the last couple of months. Are you kind of becoming more bullish about better organic growth across your markets next year? Well, let's just see interest here, your thoughts there. And then second question, again, you touched on this a bit, but the group had a great track record for 10 years. Obviously, I guess the key question now is can you continue with those financial metrics going forward?

Speaker 3

Just interested maybe a bit more elaboration around the challenges and the benefits, what's easier, what's more difficult to manage a kind of group 4, 5 times bigger than it was 10 years ago? Thanks.

Operator

Okay. We're going to split them up. So organic next year, I'm not sure really. If I look at sort of the way we've guided and the way we've talked about next year, we haven't predicated our success over the next 12 months on a material recovery. And I think quite a few others have.

Operator

And I don't know. I just think it's really hard to call it. We think about interest rates, 2 weeks ago, we're calling them down. Now we're so the visibility is limited. And I hope our peers are right because we haven't really baked in much of an organic recovery.

Operator

But if I look at the areas that are challenging for us, Germany, I think, is challenging. I think it will be easier partly because of what we're doing. So I think that becomes the comps become easier. I think Germany will be easier. Torin is still quite challenging, but it will be easier.

Operator

We had a 35% decline last year. The comps will be easier. So looking at it through our lens, the things that have been going well, I see continuing to go well. I do see residential new build. The volumes are not going any lower.

Operator

The debate is whether or not they come back more quickly, but I think they'll start to come back. The regulatory drivers are helpful in other areas of the group. The Nordics, still some challenges in newbuild, but I think the RMI piece is stronger. There's enough self help for us to be reasonably confident about the outlook. And look, if there is a further underpinning from a recovery, then I think somebody used the expression earlier about if the tide goes up, then we should inevitably go up with the tide.

Operator

And I think that will be the case. I'll do the last one and then let Andy do the metrics. Group in terms of I said it just now, I think the group is genuinely easier to run, but it is about people and it is about selecting the right people and it's never easy. But I look at the there's 2 things I want to quote you there. I look at the service of the people that we've got within the group and I think it's a really good blend of long servers but also new experience.

Operator

I'm not sure, Andy, now over 5 years whether you probably go in the longer server camp, but look, we've got some great experience around us. But we've also brought in we're finding it easier to attract talent. If I look at the Group Technical Director, he was in a nuclear program at Rolls Royce and then at Nuvea more recently. And I was saying to him, why do you want to come to a ventilation sector? And he said, well, my usual gestation period with nuclear projects is beyond my lifetime, whereas at least in Voluson, even if we're late, we'll at least get to see delivery.

Operator

And he's been fantastic. He's just operating at a completely different level, very transparent. So we're acting, I want to say more professionally but more cohesively. I've had feedback from the local managers, and that's great. On the procurement side, just all around, I think the quality of our team is substantially ahead of what we could have expected when we were GBP 300,000,000 market cap coming to market in June 'fourteen.

Operator

So from my perspective, it's a whole lot easier.

Speaker 1

Yes. And on the 10 year track record and can we carry on, so I guess without going into too much depth on each individual piece, but from a revenue perspective, our offer, if you like, of sort of 3% to 5% organic growth will, the last 5 years, excuse me, average 4.5%. I think the 1.5% in the year just gone is probably against one of the toughest aggregated sets of market backdrops you could get. So look, I think we are confident and with regulations hopefully continuing to drive that forward, we are absolutely committed to that, and we see that as very, very realistic and hopefully surprised to the upside where we can. Clearly, to then get to your double digits revenue, the other piece of the puzzle is acquisitions.

Speaker 1

And you guys would regularly ask, do we have to do more or bigger? Well, the answer is yes. And at least, I suppose, Fantech is hopefully a really, really clear demonstration that there are not loads of Fantech assets out there, but there are a few. And we will we are well placed to execute the right deals. So we will have to keep that machine working really, really well, but we believe that the opportunity is still there.

Speaker 1

Margins, I think the consistency now over the last 4 years hopefully puts that are the margins sustainable question to bed. There will be margin dilution on acquisitions. Fantech, we've already said, is coming in at sort of 16.5% roughly operating margin. But still, that brings the group still nicely above the 20% level. And then our focus on cash what we're not going to buy is different businesses.

Speaker 1

So we're going to buy businesses which are good businesses that throw off profit, that throw off cash and our cash generation, again, that track record now is very consistent. So there's no reason to believe that we can't carry on with that. Hence, our targets and our strategy remains sort of boringly predictable hopefully.

Operator

Yes. We've been well invested. We've had a bigger expansion in gross margin than operating profit margin because we've been investing and having very much an eye on what comes next. Not being short term in spite of the fact that we put 120 basis points on operating profit margin. I guess what I'm saying is it could have been more, but we're not sacrificing the sort of trajectory and where we want to go next.

Operator

I think it was Rob for you next. Yes. Okay. Thanks, Aynsley.

Speaker 4

Yes. Morning, both. Thanks for the presentation. Just three questions. So firstly, the U.

Speaker 4

K. Margin, I thought, was a kind of positive surprise at 25%, quite a step up. And you've talked about product cost initiatives, mix, operating leverage. I guess the question is what is the spread between residential and other areas? And in terms of the outlook for 'twenty five, 'twenty six with the other areas normalizing, is 'twenty five the right level to be at in that division?

Speaker 4

Secondly, you talked about Central Europe, lots of different markets, but could you just give a bit more color on Germany, specifically what the market share competitive environment is like given the weakness in the German market more broadly? And then thirdly, on newbuild, clearly new starts were at very low levels, so really interesting to see you've grown. And you also mentioned, I would say, regulation from 'twenty two helping us to bring product demand. So how much of a lag do you think there is before we get to much higher price point heat recovery type products in U. K.

Speaker 4

Newbuild, I. E, e, not a £200, £300,000 product, but a £900,000 product? How many years is it before that's embedded? Yes.

Speaker 1

I'll take the first one, Rob, and then I think, Ronny, you'll take the next 2. So yes, U. K. Margin stepped up substantially in the year, and you quite rightly quoted the drivers underneath that. I mean, the product the things we do around product cost are just what we always try to do continually.

Speaker 1

So we're always, always looking both at the new products that are coming through but also keeping on questioning and challenging our existing products. Could we source components better? Could we engineer it slightly differently? And it's not 1 or 2 massive wins. It's actually a lot of small incremental gains across the portfolio.

Speaker 1

So we will carry on doing that. There was the mix shift in the year is worth talking about. So there is of this residential, commercial OEM piece, residential is the highest margin category. Commercial is then we've always said commercial is sort of slightly lower, but it's still close to the 20%, whereas residential will be above it. And then OEM, which is unsurprising for an OEM activity, does come in sort of lowest of the 3%.

Speaker 1

So simply the fact that OEM revenue was substantially reduced as a percentage of the share, residential is substantially up, obviously, that mix shift was helpful in the year. I think looking forward into the new year, we don't we're not saying OEM is suddenly going to bounce back to where it was before, so we're not going to have a reversal of that. We do hope commercial does better, but we also hope residential grows nicely as well. So I think that sort of mix piece has probably played its way through. So yes, no reason not to sustain where we are.

Operator

Absolutely. Germany, our proposition in Germany is what we call decentralized recovery. It's quite narrow. We would we've said this, we've been consistent. We would love to be much bigger in Germany.

Operator

I think that's almost certainly through an acquisition, if possible. But organically, I would say Germany has been tough since about March 'twenty two. So it's a couple of years of toughness in actual fact. If I look at it at the moment, the local team would say that it feels a little bit better, but it is the visibility is very limited. I always come back to what are we doing.

Operator

It's easy to blame the market. But if we were blaming if our sales teams in the UK turned up and said, look, completions are 40% down in residential newbuild, that would be inconsistent with what we've been able to do to grow revenue. So I think we've positioned the business very well. I'm a little bit more optimistic about what will happen over the next 6 to 9 months versus where we've been. But and we've pivoted a little bit away from well, not away from newbuild, but just increasingly on RMI.

Operator

There is absolutely no doubt that decentralized heat recovery ventilation that we do very well within the Netherlands in refurbishment could do better in Germany. And I think that's the opportunity for us. But look, it is quite small. It's only about 5% or 6% of the group's total revenue, but it is profitable. It's still very profitable, but it was a star performer for us.

Operator

And if you look, we bought the business in 'fourteen and from about 2017 to 2022, it grew very strongly over a period of time. The last 2 years have been more difficult. And the residential new build and what's happening in the UK, look, what's happened is 1, 2, 3 extract fans continuous and then heat recovery. We're at that continuous stage where exhaust fans are pretty much disappearing and we're seeing a big step up into residential new build systems, continuous ventilation but not heat recovery. Heat recovery is growing but not as quickly as the systems piece.

Operator

I think we've also we've done some quite smart innovations around overheating and problems in newbuilds. So we've got some quite nice solutions that we've taken out there that we've done very well with. And we've been probably being a little bit circumspect about how that works and so forth because to the outside looking in, it's probably not immediately obvious what we've been doing. But we've gained a lot of share and the proposition is very profitable. But because from a value based perspective, the problem it solves, if you can solve overheating in a new building and not put air conditioning in, then actually our proposition is relatively very cheap.

Operator

But for us, it's quite attractive. So I think that's all set to continue. I think our outlook in residential new build is still strong, notwithstanding the fact that the overall level of activity is quite weak. But look, we've got a new government. They're promising 1,500,000 new homes.

Operator

And we are a few months in already, and we're nowhere near the sort of 300,000 a year. So the terminal rate in 5 years' time should be very exciting.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

We'll go ahead and see.

Speaker 2

Thank you, sir. Nice and easy. David Farrell from Jefferies. A couple of questions for me. I think every time we kind of come into this results presentation, we talk about the portfolio of the group and how it's expanded and clearly it has over the last decade.

Speaker 2

At what point do we get to the point where you start to think about kind of pruning the portfolio? Is that something that could eventually happen?

Operator

I think the sort of pruning we probably do without actually making a big there isn't anything obviously out there that we would prune, but maybe it's around product lines that we pruned over time. We had a bit of a foray into air purification a couple of years ago, and it hasn't gone particularly well. I think it was a bit of a COVID bubble and so there's things like that. But I would say structurally, the brands and the assets that we have in the group we believe in, they're all nicely profitable. They've all got sort of, in my view, regulatory structural tailwinds that will support them even if today their local markets aren't as supportive as we would like.

Operator

So I don't think pruning is on the agenda anytime soon.

Speaker 1

Okay. I

Speaker 2

had a kind of question around kind of new products. A lot of companies provide vitality indexes, which is kind of percentage of revenue from products established in 5 years or whatever time frame. Can you kind of give us a sense of kind of what that is for Volusia now and maybe how that's evolved over time?

Operator

Yes. I don't like the vitality index. I think it's for me, I think it's a sort of a nonsense measure. We've got products that are very successful that we improved, that are very profitable, that customers keep buying because they want to replace the one that they've got. If we went down the vitality index route, we would kill that product and bring out something else that they didn't want.

Operator

And it was interesting because I'm not saying we're Apple, but I was listening to something that Steve Jobs said the other day, and it's remember that you're there to service the customer, not develop products and then think about where you might sell them. So for us, we're market led. Low carbon proportion of revenue, I think, is the stat for us. 70% is low carbon. To the extent that we can move customers away from AC to low carbon solutions, that's the key one.

Operator

But vitality index and also I think it's the interpretation is so varied. If we've got a product that we iteratively improve, is that a new product? I think it's really quite great. So we don't focus on that. But low carbon and heat recovery are absolutely the sort of public metrics that I would focus on.

Speaker 2

And then final one for me. Just coming to Fantaq. When you look at the kind of integration process, what are the risks there? What are the kind of three things you're kind of most concerned about integrating it?

Operator

I was there a couple of weeks ago, had a dinner with the management team, the wider management team. There were 22 of us. I was there with the local our local regional leader, Jeff. I think the risks are really quite low. If I look at the bench strength in Fantaq and I remarked I spent a day just going around meeting all the individuals, most of them have got 10 to 15 years plus service.

Operator

We're like minded. I had some really nice messages from the team when I came back. We understand their market. We understand what they do. Our job is to help enhance and further improve.

Operator

They'll have access to a wider group of products. So the trick is not to go too quickly, certainly not to make any profound changes and to listen and learn from the local management team because in many respects they're the leader. They're the ones who know the market. We'll have a lot to learn from them, but they'll also have a lot to benefit from the wider group, whether it be procurement, wider product portfolio. And look, I think there'll be some facility type opportunities just in terms of Australia is a big country and how do we distribute how can we distribute ceiling fans in places that locally we didn't have a presence in previously.

Operator

So we've got this wider distribution network that covers there's a nice slide in the previous presentation that we put out that shows where we are and where Fantech are at and how that gives us a wider access to distribution. So I think the risks are really quite small and we will certainly work very hard to make sure that they're fully engaged and valued.

Speaker 5

Brilliant. Thank you. Christian York from Deutsche Numis. A couple just for me. So first of all, is it possible to put some numbers around the U.

Speaker 5

K. Newbuild growth and the U. K. Public RMI growth just to get a little bit of sense? I know you've done it for residential overall, but that would be great.

Speaker 5

And then just the second one on Volusion's competitive position. I assume if you look across all your markets, you would have felt that you have outperformed peers on the top line, outperformed on margins. Basically just sort of digging into what's the sort of secret source of evolution which has driven that? Are you seeing competitor reactions? Yes, just really digging into

Operator

it. Yes. I mean look, we don't split the sort of revenue in the same way. And it's partly to do with the fact although we have it internally, there are some overlaps now in products that go into different applications. So positive input ventilation is a product that it makes it more difficult.

Operator

A little bit goes into new build, most of it goes into public RMI and some of it goes into quite a bit in private RMI. We try to do an arbitrary split on that, but it is arbitrary. It's not as exact as it would have been. But look, directionally, and it is in the Residential commentary that I wrote, Residential newbuild was strongest, public RMI was next strongest and private RMI with less price drag and I think just a more difficult sort of cost of living type issue, I think that was harder. In terms of secret sauce and why I just we we were talking this morning, Andy and I, about Australasia.

Operator

And we really get quite intimately detailed about revenue streams. And I'm not saying that others don't. Of course, others do, but we expect our management to know their revenue streams in detail and what drives it. And that's what I think we're very good at. If I look at residential new build, the benefit you're seeing in FY 'twenty four and hopefully in 'twenty five were a series of conversations that took place in January to June 2022.

Operator

I remember it distinctly. This is where the regs are going. Well, we've got an insight in the regs because we've got an individual who leads the trade association. So we know where the regs are going. And if it goes here, this is what we need.

Operator

Okay. It's going to take us 12 months to develop that. Okay. Let's get so that integrated approach, because I know one of the questions we get around R and D is, should you spend more? I always think it's what you spend it on.

Operator

If I look at the products that we brought to market, generally speaking, they're a success. I often say maybe we should have a few more failures because if everything's a success, we're clearly not taking enough risk with the opportunity. But it is and look, I'm not saying, Kristen, that in every market, everywhere or as granular as we'd like to be, but that's the expectation. I want to talk about with my local management, who are you competing with locally? What are they doing well?

Operator

What are they doing less well? What do we need to really quite granular, which is why our structure is to have things like innovation and procurement group led because it's eminently sensible, but markets have to be locally led. The manager in Germany needs to have an intimate understanding on the ground of what's happening in Germany. We can't have that view from a helicopter, but we can on procurement and technical and general movement in terms of regs. Competitor reaction, it's the same as it ever was.

Operator

We're successful. People look at us. People try and imitate us. We do the same. We look at markets where others are more successful than us, and we try and imitate them.

Operator

But it's easier said than done. If we look at at Germany, and I've said it there, we know the market inside out. But for us to expect that we could go after the market leaders in Germany organically would be rather arrogant, which is why I've said that the route to that is through acquisition. So I don't think there's any real change in that dynamic. Even if we might be perceived to be a little bit more successful, I think the competitive dynamic is strong.

Operator

It's not easy out there. But generally speaking, I think we've done a reasonable job.

Speaker 1

Flora.

Operator

Thank you.

Speaker 6

Flora Donner from Davy. I might just ask 2 on Climarella, if that's okay. 1 in the first is in the documents you mentioned, the order book and you've good visibility, just get more color around that. The second, just given the increase in the contingent consideration, which obviously is a good sign, just can you give us any sense of what the ultimate multiple you've paid for the business will have been? Obviously, we have a reference point now with Fantaq and your comments earlier about what Fantaq would have been, had it been a, say, an auction process, just to get a sense of what Key Murad has come in at?

Speaker 1

Yes. So it was 11 at

Speaker 5

the beginning. Yes.

Speaker 2

So it

Operator

was 11

Speaker 1

at the beginning based on the 2020 earnings at the time floor. And the mechanic for the 2nd installment, which happens in December, is 13 25 percent of, obviously 25 percent of 13x the 2024 calendar year EBITDA. And you quite rightly picked up on the quite significant actually increase in the contingent consideration estimate. We're now well, at the time of concluding this, we were obviously 7 months in. We're now sort of 9.5 months of those 12 months elapsed.

Speaker 1

And it's one of our more predictable business to your order book point, it's one of the more predictable businesses in terms of it is a slightly longer cycle of projects, orders and pipeline. So we can see what the next few months look like there. And the next few months and I don't just mean the next 2 months, I mean the next the months that we can see ahead look really, really positive because it's carried on executing well, selling well. So if you were to I would be a bit loathed to say take this year's EBITDA and apply it to something we paid 4 years ago because I suppose that's quite a long lag. But you can work out, I think, how much we're going to be paying this year based on the 13x.

Speaker 1

You know what we paid sort of 4 years ago. At the time 4 years ago, for us, actually, it might have looked one of our more expensive transactions because we were 11% for the first 75% and 13% for the rest, whereas historically, we'd been 8x to 10x. But we had really strong conviction that this was a cracking proposition. It was going to grow really, really well. And this contingent consideration uplift is testament to that growth.

Speaker 7

Clive Lewis at Peel Hunt. I think I've got 4 still, apologies. Probably a brief one for Andy on working capital. You've indicated again stocks, you're sort of driving that a little bit lower. How would you expect sort of debtors and creditors to move?

Speaker 7

Should that really track in line now with revenue growth? Ronny is nodding, so he might be new to that one.

Speaker 1

I think that's your answer.

Operator

Always has done.

Speaker 1

Yes. No surprising moves there at all.

Speaker 7

No changes at all. Okay. In terms of OEM, have you got to a point where maybe go back to the earlier question about pruning? Is that the bit

Operator

No. No? No. I mean, look, what we report is 3rd party revenue. What we can't what you can't see is the growth in the internal consumption.

Operator

I go back to COVID. I go back to the fact that the supply chains were absolutely on the floor. We did a fantastic job. We took share. We had great service.

Operator

We're integrating those motors into different propositions through another big initiative this year inside our fan coils. So it's about vertical integration. It's a little bit like debating whether or not we should have a mould shop in Reading. If we said we're divesting of our mould shop because we're going to buy from 3rd parties, you'd think that was crazy. We've got a motor manufacturing capability that can develop low carbon motors to go inside our products.

Operator

It's more difficult externally. So I do believe that the proposition there focusing increasingly internally I mean look, it's not a hugely important stat, but I think the internal consumption from Torin inside the group last year grew by about 25%.

Speaker 1

And what we have pruned, of course, is the cost base. So you've just seen the reference to 2 sites into 1. That's obviously a visible piece of it, but we're also working very, very hard on the procurement and the component cost input into that product. And we think there's still quite a lot more we can do there. So is it ever going to be 20%, 30% per year growth?

Speaker 1

No, because I don't think it's that part of the portfolio. But we believe it can deliver really nicely internally, it can sustain well externally and it can do it at a decent margin. So it's contributing nicely to the group.

Operator

Yes. It's a good it's an obvious question to ask. Just the financial performance last year was weak. The 3rd party revenue was and depressing. If we add back Torin's decline, put it flat last year, then organic growth goes to over 3% in range okay, it's easy to do that calculation.

Operator

But it is important to us strategically and it is helping quite a bit internally.

Speaker 7

The third one was France, again, probably following up a little bit on Christian's comments about competitive reaction. It's obviously still very early days for you, but you start to open your shoulders a little bit, get those elbows out. How is that market, the big competitors that are present there? How have they reacted?

Operator

I still believe that we're so small that if I'm Pierre Louis Francois Atlantica, I'm really not worried about Volition's €10,000,000 of revenue that might be €11,000,000 or €12,000,000 or €30,000,000 It might be if it was €30,000,000 or €40,000,000 But that will take us a bit longer. But the positive, I would say, is we I looked at one of the product solutions that we've launched in France that's very successful. We're very innovative and we're bringing more innovative solutions to market. And I do actually believe that most of the markets where we trade, the market there's an enhancement in that local market because of our behavior anyway. But who knows?

Operator

But yes, look, we have a small base. We want to be in all European markets over time. But yes, I think they're probably more concerned about the overall situation in the French market, which is quite weak. We're growing, the market's quite weak. It's not a surprise we're growing.

Operator

Our share is very, very small. I mean a few percent. It's really small.

Speaker 7

Okay. Thank you. New Zealand, can you say a little bit more about why the market was so soft there? I mean is it new housing? Is it RMI?

Speaker 7

What were the key?

Operator

Our new housing exposure in New Zealand is quite small and the new build market is by definition quite small. The RMI we've got 2 approaches. We've got the distribution model in Cymex and then DVS where we install. And I think it has consumer confidence, the whole situation has been quite weak. And as I say, the team was sort of delighted, 50 basis points cut in local interest rates, I think it was on Tuesday.

Operator

They were really pleased about that. And New Zealand had done very well, so we acquired it in 2018 and we've grown phenomenally well and we had Healthy Homes Act and so forth. And then the last couple of years, certainly the last 12 months, has been a little bit more difficult. But just anecdotally, because this is only information that we've had over the last couple of days, but the team have been going round, go to distributors, some of them are more transparent with others about share. And what we know is that with some of the biggest distributors, and there's one in particular in New Zealand, our share of their wallet is about the same.

Operator

So we know we're not losing share, which is of course the first worry that we would have. Regulations are starting to have an impact. We're starting to move slowly towards continuous ventilation, but it's been quite slow. But my instinct is that New Zealand will be tough for our first half. And potentially, if what we're seeing comes to pass, then the second half of that year will be easier.

Speaker 7

Apologies, I think I have got 5th. Okay. Again, probably going back on Christian's. The U. K.

Speaker 7

Public housing RMI, where do you think we are now in that whole process of sort of getting standards up to a much more sort of suitable level in terms of sort of ventilation?

Operator

It's really hard to tell. There's probably 2 parts to the answer. One is the sort of decent home standard, where are we? And I think they're making good progress. But then the bit that really excites me is the decarbonizing agenda and net 0, 2030, which will be impossible.

Operator

But there is an appetite for it. So we're starting to see an uptake in decentralized heat recovery type solutions. And I think that will be the next wave. And look, Clyde, I would say potentially that's a bigger wave for the next 5 to 10 years than Decent Homes. So what you'll have is I sent strong demand over the next couple of years as the standards are rebuilt.

Operator

And then you'll have an additional tailwind for the next 15 years, which will be decarbonizing the 5,000,000 homes. And I think that potentially is more exciting than decent homes because decent homes is back to the question I had earlier about heat recovery versus continuous ventilation in new build, it's a similar dynamic. We're starting to supply now some central heat recovery systems in major refurbishment in social housing and the revenues 3, 4, 5 times what we might see in a refurbishment. That will take time. It needs to be funded.

Operator

But I think there will be a willingness to get there. And of course, some of these local housing associations have already put it out, we're going to be net 0 by 2,030. Okay, that's great.

Speaker 4

Okay.

Operator

We may have had I don't know if we had any questions online at all.

Speaker 1

We've currently got no questions from the webcast. So I'll back over to you. Okay. Thanks.

Operator

We're on time. Well, look, thank you very much for your attendance. As I say, we're delighted about the and the markets are not easy, and we've talked I think most of the questioning is around that difficulty. But I think we're supremely confident about the business model, our performance, the strength of the team, the outlook. We predict another year of strong progress for the group.

Operator

So thank you very much for your time. Thank you.

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