Interactive Brokers Group Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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October 15, 2024

There are 12 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day and thank you for standing by and welcome to Interactive Brokers Group 3Q24 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Nancy Stuebbe, Director of Investor Relations.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us for our Q3 2024 earnings call. Joining us today are Thomas Petterfi, our Founder and Chairman Milan Galik, our President and CEO and Paul Brody, our CFO. I will be presenting Milan's comments on the business and all three will be available at our Q and A. As a reminder, today's call may include forward looking statements, which represent the company's belief regarding future events, which by their nature are not certain and are outside of the company's control. Our actual results and financial condition may differ, possibly materially, from what is indicated in these forward looking statements.

Speaker 1

We ask that you refer to the disclaimers in our press release. You should also review a description of risk factors contained in our financial reports filed with the SEC. This quarter, the long awaited interest rate cut in the U. S. Finally happened.

Speaker 1

The market proceeded to rally on the news. The S and P 500 rose 5.5% this quarter, joining higher indices in nearly every global market, save Japan, and following rate cuts in the UK, Canada, Europe and China. For the industry as a whole, options contract volumes were up 12% over last year, reaching a new record and surpassing even the strong Q1. CME Futures volumes were up 27% versus last year, also a record, as investors were eager to trade interest rate futures in particular in order to wager on rate changes. As for Equities, overall U.

Speaker 1

S. Industry volumes are up versus last year, though down slightly from last quarter as the Magnificent Seven lost some of their grip on U. S. Market performance. These stocks contributed just 12% of the S and P's gain this quarter versus 95% last quarter with more than half of them down.

Speaker 1

However, as in prior recent quarters, it appears so far that investors are holding on to these positions and have not made changes like selling them to buy new names. Against this industry backdrop, our options, futures and stock volumes were all up versus last year. Versus the Q2, our volumes were up in futures and options, though in equities they were down slightly as investors continue to gravitate towards higher priced stocks, so the notional value of equities traded rose. We added 196,000 new accounts in the 3rd quarter, behind only the meme stock days of the Q1 of 2021. New accounts meant more cash in those accounts, which helped raise our client credit balances 19% to a record 116,700,000,000 Margin loans were up 28% from last year and our client equity was up 46 percent to $541,500,000,000 the first time we ended a quarter with over $500,000,000,000 Rising markets and the anticipation of lower rates continue to lead clients to feel more comfortable taking on risk.

Speaker 1

So in addition to taking on more leverage using margin loans, they also took on more assertive positions, which increased our exposure fee revenue. Active markets yielded strong financial results. Both commission revenue and net interest income reached records as did total net revenues. We maintained our focus on expenses, meaning our pretax income also reached a record and both our reported and adjusted pretax profit margins were an industry leading 72%. Broken down by geography, our accounts and client equity once again grew fastest in Europe and Asia as growing numbers of investors worldwide on access to international and particularly U.

Speaker 1

S. Markets. Of our 5 client segments, the fastest account growth was again seen with individuals with introducing brokers and proprietary traders not far behind. On the client equity side, financial advisors once again grew the fastest, followed by Ibrokers and individuals. Commission growth was fastest for our proprietary traders, while net interest income growth was led by individuals, followed by financial advisors.

Speaker 1

At the company level, we experienced another productive quarter. On August 1, the previously announced merger of IB Central Europe and IB Ireland was completed. As a result, all of our EEA clients can benefit equally from an expanded offering of products and services. The upfront cost of this consolidation was $12,000,000 which is reflected in our G and A expense. Going forward, assuming today's level of business and regulatory fees, we expect annual savings of $7,000,000 from having only 1 European brokerage business and one regulator to report to.

Speaker 1

On September 1, we opened a licensed office in Dubai, solidifying our presence in the Middle East region. We launched trading in both equities and futures on Bursa Malaysia this quarter. We've expanded our offerings to include 22 hour a day trading in U. S. Treasuries, European government bonds, U.

Speaker 1

K. Gilts and Swiss franc denominated corporate and sovereign bonds. In addition to over 10,000 U. S. Stocks, ETFs and equity index options, non U.

Speaker 1

S. Clients can now also trade contracts for difference or CFDEs on more than 3,500 U. S. Stocks and ETFs during overnight hours. We upgraded our API functionality to provide new introducing broker clients with faster and easier integration.

Speaker 1

Rather than relying on multiple separate code libraries, our partners can now access our extensive range of services through a single unified interface. In our IBKR ATS, for several years now, we've operated an options crossing session in which we seek opposite side liquidity for marketable orders in U. S. Options, providing customers the opportunity for price improvement. We have now added the same functionality for customer U.

Speaker 1

S. Options orders priced inside the NBBO. When we succeed in pairing these Tweener orders with liquidity in our ATS, the customer benefits by obtaining a guaranteed fill on their non marketable order as well as the opportunity for further price improvement in an on exchange price improvement auction. We have seen excellent participation by our liquidity providers in this program and our customers who place non marketable orders in U. S.

Speaker 1

Listed options are seeing substantial meaningful benefits as a result. We believe this further demonstrates and enhances our position as the premier broker for options trading. And finally, we launched ForecastX, our forecast contract exchange on August 1. After a 2.5 year approval process, we received the green light from the CFTC and are looking forward to seeing its performance. Investors can now buy yes and no contracts on the outcome of events that were previously unavailable for direct investment or hedging.

Speaker 1

Whether it's the release of key economic data, results of U. S. Elections or long term developments like future global temperatures or the size of the U. S. National debt, investors can manage exposure or hedge their existing positions.

Speaker 1

And to ensure it is easy for interested liquidity providers to connect with us, we have both fixed and restful API connectivity ready for them. Together with the Interactive Brokers team, I look forward to continuing the work on the many projects we have lined up, much as planned for the quarters ahead. Our pipeline of new business and new initiatives remains healthy, and we look forward to sharing the results with you as we introduce them. With that, I will turn the call over to Paul Brody. Paul?

Speaker 2

Thank you, Nancy. Thanks, everyone, for joining the call today. We'll start with our revenue items on Page 3 of the release. We're pleased with our financial results this quarter as we again produced record net revenues and pre tax income. Commissions rose to a record $435,000,000 This quarter both options and futures volumes reached new quarterly highs as we saw active customers across global regions participate in the markets.

Speaker 2

Net interest income also reached a quarterly record of $802,000,000 despite rate cuts in several countries, including the full impact of 2nd quarter cuts in Europe, Canada and Switzerland and partial quarter impacts of 3rd quarter cuts in those countries as well as in the U. S, U. K. And Hong Kong. The continued risk on environment in the quarter led to a significant increase in margin borrowing and strong account growth led to increases in our segregated cash portfolio.

Speaker 2

These increases were partially offset by the interest paid to our customers on their cash balances. Interactive Brokers PACE clients holding U. S. Dollars, the benchmark Fed funds rate less 50 basis points on their qualified funds, which makes us attractive compared to other brokers and banks and competitive with money market funds. And as a truly global broker, we pay similarly competitive rates on qualified balances in 20 other currencies.

Speaker 2

Other fees and services generated $72,000,000 up 38% from the prior year, driven by the continued risk on positioning of customers, which is reflected in an increase in risk exposure fees, with contributions also from payments for order flow, from options exchange mandated programs and FDIC sweep fees as well. Other income includes gains and losses on our investments, our currency diversification strategy and principal transactions. Note that several of these are non core items and therefore are excluded in our adjusted earnings. Without these excluded items, other income was an $18,000,000 gain for the quarter. Turning to expenses.

Speaker 2

Execution, clearing and distribution costs were $116,000,000 in the quarter, up 18% over the year ago quarter, predominantly from higher regulatory fees that were introduced by the SEC earlier this year. The SEC fee is a pass through to customers, so it does not impact our profitability. As a percent of commission revenues, execution and clearing costs were 21 percent in the Q3 for a gross transactional profit margin of 79%. We calculate this by excluding from execution, clearing and distribution $21,000,000 of non transaction based costs, mainly market data fees, which do not have a direct commission revenue component. Compensation and benefits expense was $145,000,000 for the quarter for a ratio of compensation expense to adjusted net revenues of 11%, similar to last year's quarter.

Speaker 2

We remain focused on expense discipline while targeting specific functions to grow the business. Inside our year over year staff increase of only 1%, we had good success in hiring talented software developers and partially offsetting that we reduced compliance staff as we went into full operational mode with our in house developed compliance system. Our headcount at September 30 was 2,969. G and A expenses were $75,000,000 up from the year ago quarter, led by a one time expense to consolidate our European operations and expenses related to legal and regulatory matters. Excluding these items, G and A was up $9,000,000 to $51,000,000 primarily on higher advertising expense.

Speaker 2

Our pre tax margin was 72% for the quarter, both as reported and as adjusted. Income taxes of $80,000,000 reflects the sum of the public company's $45,000,000 and the operating company's $35,000,000 The public company's effective tax rate was 18.4% within its usual range. Moving to our balance sheet on Page 5 of the release. Our total assets ended the quarter 23% higher than the prior year quarter at $148,000,000,000 driven by strong growth in margin lending. New account growth also helped propel our customer credit balances by 19% to a new record level.

Speaker 2

And we believe that our strong financial standing and competitive interest rates provide customers with an attractive place to hold their idle cash. We continue to have no long term debt and healthy profitability drove our 21% increase in firm equity over the prior year quarter. And in recognition of this growth, we allocated capital to a dividend increase last quarter. We maintain a balance sheet geared towards supporting growth in our existing business and helping us win new business by demonstrating our strength to prospective clients and partners. In our operating data on Pages 67, we had record customer contract volumes in both options and futures.

Speaker 2

In options, our contract volumes rose 35% over the prior year quarter, well above industry growth and futures contract volumes rose by 13%. Stock share volumes rose by 22%, also above industry growth. Stock share volume generally increased versus last year as clients in our largest markets gravitated to larger higher quality names and trading relatively less in Pink Sheet and other very low priced stocks. Growth in the notional dollar value of shares traded well outpaced the growth in share volumes. On Page 7, you can see that total customer DARTs were 2,700,000 trades per day, up 42% from the prior year.

Speaker 2

Commission per cleared commissionable order of $2.83 was down from last year, primarily due to smaller average order sizes across all product classes, which is more than compensated by stronger volumes. Turning to net interest income on Page 8. Total GAAP net interest income was $802,000,000 for the quarter, up 9% on the prior year, while our NIM net interest income was $826,000,000 or $24,000,000 higher. In the NIM computation, we include some income that is classified as other fees or other income on our income statement, but we believe is more appropriately considered interest. Our net interest income reflects strength in margin loan and segregated cash interest, partially offset by higher interest expense on customer cash balances.

Speaker 2

Several central banks made cuts to their benchmark rates this quarter. The U. S, UK and Hong Kong cut for the first time since early 2020, while Europe, Switzerland and Canada cut their rates both this quarter and last. Reflecting relatively flat benchmark rates year on year, our segregated cash interest income rose 5% on a 6% increase in average balances, while margin loan interest rose by 26% on a 28% increase in average balances. The average duration of our U.

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S. Treasury portfolio remains at less than 30 days. With the U. S. Dollar yield curve continuing to be inverted, except in the very near term, we have been maximizing what we earn by focusing on higher short term yields rather than accept the significantly lower yields of longer maturities.

Speaker 2

This strategy allows us to maintain a relatively tight maturity match between our assets and liabilities and positions us to be nimble if the yield curve does revert. Securities lending net interest has not been as strong as in prior quarters for 3 main reasons. First, an extremely strong stock market with a backdrop of a falling rate environment coincides with a smaller proportion of clients looking to put on shorts. 2nd, there are fewer hard to borrow names industry wide, not only because the overall market is rising sharply, but also due to the weakness in some of the drivers relevant to securities lending, including IPOs, low market volatility and merger and acquisition activity. So even though the notional value of what we are lending was higher than last year's quarter, overall industry average lending rates are lower.

Speaker 2

Finally, as noted on previous calls, higher average interest rates versus prior year periods means more of what we earn from securities lending is classified as interest on segregated cash. To more accurately reflect all the income we earned from our securities lending business, we estimate that if the additional interest earned and paid on cash collateral were included under securities borrowed and loaned, then total net revenue related to our securities lending business would have been about $156,000,000 versus $181,000,000 in the year ago quarter. This additional revenue would be reclassified from the line items interest earned on segregated cash and interest paid on customer credit balances. So overall, it would have no effect on our net interest margin. Interest on customer credit balances, the interest we pay to our customers on the cash in their accounts rose on higher balances from new account growth.

Speaker 2

As we have noted in the past, the high interest rates we pay on customer cash currently 4.33 percent on qualified U. S. Dollar balances, is a significant attraction to new customers. Fully rate sensitive customer balances were $19,500,000,000 this quarter versus $17,100,000,000 in the year ago quarter. Together with firm equity, most of which consists of interest earning assets, total fully rate sensitive balances were $33,600,000,000 Now for our estimates of the impact of changes in rates, given market expectations of further rate cuts in the future, we estimate the effect of a 25 basis point decrease in the benchmark Fed funds rate to be a $64,000,000 reduction in annual net interest income.

Speaker 2

Note that our starting point for this estimate is September 30 with the Fed funds effective rate at 4.83% and balances as of that date. Any growth in our balance sheet and interest earning assets would reduce this impact. About 24% of our customer cash balances is not in U. S. Dollars.

Speaker 2

So estimates of the U. S. Rate change exclude those currencies. We estimate the effect of decreases in all of the relevant non U. S.

Speaker 2

Benchmark rates would reduce annual net interest income by $18,000,000 for each 25 basis point decrease in those benchmarks. At a high level, a full 1% decrease in all benchmark rates would decrease our annual net interest income by $328,000,000 This takes into account rate sensitive customer balances and firm equity. In conclusion, we posted another financially strong quarter in net revenues and pre tax margin, reflecting our continued ability to grow our customer base and deliver on our core value proposition to customers while scaling the business. Our business strategy continues to be effective, automating as much of the brokers business as possible, continuously improving and expanding what we offer while minimizing what we charge. With that, we will open up the line for questions.

Operator

And thank you. And our first question comes from Patrick Mollie from Piper Sandler. Your line is now open.

Speaker 3

Yes, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question. I just had one on the U. S. Election forecast contracts that you mentioned in your prepared remarks.

Speaker 3

Launched on October 3, about 4 days after launch, you issued a press release saying you'd already done about 1,000,000 contracts. So I was hoping you could maybe just provide some color on how these contracts are being utilized, where the volumes have come from up to this point? Is it new accounts? Is it existing accounts? And then if you could maybe just help us understand how you're thinking about the opportunity from a new account acquisition standpoint, given you're, I think, one of the only brokers out there that currently offers these contracts?

Speaker 3

Thanks.

Speaker 4

We launched Forecast X on August 1. We added the political events on 4th October. We've seen around 800 clients trading so far. The volume just up to yesterday was around $6,000,000 Most of it is in the election contracts. So the election political contracts is what currently resonates with our clientele.

Speaker 4

It should be noted that the political contracts can only be traded by the U. S. Clients. There is a regulation speaking to that. And generally, the rest of the contracts are offered by Interactive Brokers LLC clients, 22 LLC clients and Hong Kong clients.

Speaker 4

In other words, the functionality is not yet fully available worldwide. There are some regulatory approvals that are needed, for example, in Europe. As to who is trading these, we did not look at whether it's new accounts or the old accounts. We were very excited that the judge decided in favor of listing the political contracts on forecast X and similar platforms. We hope that the political contracts will attract new clients to our platform.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thanks. And just a follow-up on the competitive landscape in U. S. Retail trading.

Speaker 3

Large mobile based competitor of yours plans to launch index options in the Q4. They've said that they're planning to introduce those contracts at a lower price point than many of the incumbents. So understanding that nothing has been announced up to this point specifically on where they're going to be priced, just wanted to get your thoughts on whether you think this is going to create any sort of pricing pressure on index options across the industry and how you think it might just impact the overall, I guess, competitive landscape for index options? Thanks.

Speaker 4

Well, we will have to see how they're going to be pricing the index options. Index options have in prior years been mostly traded by professionals and sophisticated traders more recently when large amount of volume was attracted to the 0 day options, more diverse clientele started trading these. It's difficult for me to estimate the impact given that they haven't yet gone out and they did not announce the pricing either.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thanks for that. I'll hop back in queue.

Operator

And thank you. And one moment for our next question. And our next question comes from James Yaro from Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Speaker 6

Good afternoon and thanks for taking my questions. So I do think there's a lot of optimism among investors on the Forecast X business. So maybe Milan, if you could just speak to the timeframe over which you expect this to reach scale and actually have a material impact on your results? And I'll let you define materiality however you'd like. And then just in terms of whether there's any market risk to your balance sheet from these contracts?

Speaker 6

Obviously, they're different than equities or options that we're all familiar with. And then if so, how you might hedge them?

Speaker 4

Thanks for your questions.

Speaker 5

Would it be okay if I Milan, would it be okay

Speaker 4

if I Yes, of course.

Speaker 5

So look, this has been my baby for a long time, this forecast texting. And when it will rescale, I think it will rescale later this year, namely in the last few days of the election, we expect that it will really pick up. We have some other interest coming in to forecast tax. And so that's where we are with it. We are extremely excited about it.

Speaker 5

And the election we look at the election thing as a very lucky circumstance because there is so much interest on it that it will draw in other people who then will be customers for the economic and climate contracts. And that is what is really going to be our long term focus with forecast the economic indicators and the climate contracts. The elections are just a lot of interlude now.

Speaker 6

Okay. That's very clear. Thank you so much, Thomas. Maybe just on the RIA channel, which I do think has taken a leg higher in terms of growth. And it appears you are adding larger RIAs than historically.

Speaker 6

Could you just speak to the growth trajectory in that channel and whether the client base you are adding is different than in the past?

Speaker 4

Well, what we were hoping to see that more financial adviser would come to our platform as the platform is getting better and better and a lot of clients are currently on Schwab's platform. And as we all know Schwab was not paying a lot of interest on uninvested cash. So we had a lot of hopes for the accounts to come in. Some of them came over not as many as we would like. What I can tell you is that we are continuously working on the improvements to the RIA platform.

Speaker 4

If everything goes well, we're going to be announcing something new in this quarter, this coming quarter. If things slow down, maybe the following one. There is going to be a new and exciting functionality coming online, and we are hopeful that it's going to translate into more RIAs on our platform.

Speaker 6

That's excellent. Thanks Milan.

Operator

And thank you. And one moment for our next question. And our next question comes from Dan Fannon from Jefferies LLC. Your line is now open.

Speaker 7

Thanks. I think one of the comments you mentioned were that new accounts were coming out with more cash than previously. So I was hoping you could talk about the makeup of those accounts today versus say a year ago and what might what some of the different characteristics might be?

Speaker 4

Paul, would you like to take this one? I think this was your comment.

Speaker 2

Well, it was more of a general comment that new accounts always bring more cash. I don't think that we're seeing there's a distinction in the character of those accounts. I think what's if there's something illuminating there, it's which client segment, at what rate they're growing. And we said individuals are growing the fastest, followed by the advisors and the introducing brokers. So

Speaker 5

Prop traders are the 2nd most lucrative segment. And we do have more and more prop traders coming in and they are the ones that have more cash in their account than individual traders certainly.

Speaker 2

And they certainly generate more volume.

Speaker 7

Understood. Okay. And then just as a follow-up, Paul, maybe just as you think about expenses, some one time items in G and A, but maybe into the Q4. And as you think about next year in budgeting, given the strength in account growth, how should we think about the flow through from a marketing perspective or other more discretionary type expenses on a more annual basis?

Speaker 2

I think Milan can address the marketing and advertising perhaps. On the rest, we try to point out the one time expenses so that they can be dropped out when giving you a better picture of the run rate, but nothing else extraordinary.

Speaker 4

For marketing, our aim is to be increasing the spend approximately 20% a year. We are continuously monitoring the various marketing channels we have been utilizing over time. When a particular ad on a particular channel does better, we spend more money. We fit does less well, we decrease the expenditure. But going forward, that is roughly the expectations 20% annual increase on the marketing spend.

Speaker 7

Great. Thank you.

Operator

And thank you. And one moment for our next question. And our next question comes from Chris Allen from Citi. Your line is now open.

Speaker 8

Afternoon, everyone. I wanted to talk a little bit about trading activity per account. When you look over the years, it's been consistently coming in, but this year it's stabilized and actually improved a little bit. And I'm guessing some of that's due to mix shift from a client perspective. As you alluded to, prop accounts are seeing positive inflows.

Speaker 8

Wondering if that's a factor and or increased hedge fund activity, and how you're thinking about that moving forward?

Speaker 4

Well, if we look at the prop trading account, their commissions the commissions that they generate increased faster than any other segments generated commission either individual accounts or even hedge funds. So that is a particular that is a reason I think you see some sort of a stabilization. Previous years what we've been seeing is as a lot of accounts arrived from, for example, Ibrokers, they were trading a little less than the professional and active traders we prefer.

Speaker 8

Got it. And then when we're thinking about just the revenue outlook moving forward, the big pushback on the stock is that NII will be declining in a lower rate environment. How are you thinking about the offsets here in terms of increased margin balances, trading activity, anything else that we should be conceptualizing in a lower rate environment moving forward?

Speaker 4

Well, there is a predictable hit the net interest income is going to take on the interest that we earn on the uninvested cash. We alluded to the size of that effect. What we can though expect is the offset that we're going to receive from new accounts that continue to arrive to our platform and the new free cash that is coming in as well. So there is going to be a tug of war, if you will, between these two effects if we see further decreases in the interest rates, but we are optimistic going forward about the account growth. So we are not too worried about that.

Speaker 4

As far as the commissions are concerned, that obviously to an extent depends on how busy the markets are, whether there is volatility present or not. But given that we have been over years attracting accounts from various segments, including the hedge funds, including the prop traders who trade for living, we expect continued healthy commission income.

Speaker 9

Thank you, guys.

Operator

And thank you. And one moment for our next question. And our next question comes from Brennan Hawken from UBS. Your line is now open.

Speaker 10

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. During the quarter, we saw Chinese stimulus announced. Curious to hear what impacts you've seen on customers either within China or whether or not there's been a broader impact across the region of Asia?

Speaker 4

Well, the stimulus that was announced by the Chinese government is relatively recent phenomenon. I think it happened towards the end of September, maybe last week of September. We then all witnessed the very sudden run up in the prices of the Chinese securities and Chinese indexes, which since then somewhat subsided. So I do not have information as to what exactly it meant in terms of the incoming accounts, we can comment on that next time we meet 3 months from now.

Speaker 10

Okay. And then the legal and regulatory charge, is there any color that you can give on what that was related to?

Speaker 4

Which regulatory charge?

Speaker 10

The $9,000,000 a week on regulatory charge that you took in G and A.

Speaker 4

9,000,000

Speaker 2

dollars Well, we Yes. So that's every quarter we make an evaluation of open cases and so forth and we have to make we make reserves accordingly when we can determine that they're probable and estimable. So it's not out of the ordinary, but it was large enough to make an impact on the overall G and A.

Speaker 4

Just like any other financial company that is regulated by multiple regulators is continuously scrutinized by regulators. There are constant sweeps. There are specific investigations of individual companies. We are dealing with those on a frequent basis. Our legal department advises us if they feel that an increase in the reserve legal reserve is appropriate.

Speaker 4

That is what they did this quarter, so we have increased the reserve.

Speaker 10

Thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

And thank you. And one moment for our next question, please. And our next question comes from Benjamin Budish from Barclays. Your line is now open.

Speaker 10

Hi, good afternoon. Thank you for taking my question. I wanted to follow-up on one

Speaker 9

of your earlier comments on forecast decks. You mentioned that it's largely available in the U. S. Right now. So maybe a 2 parter, because what would the path be to making contracts like the election contracts available outside the U.

Speaker 9

S? And then I'm curious, what are your thoughts on providing a similar type of product locally in many of the countries in which you operate? I know the kind of value proposition which you talk about is the ability to access U. S. Markets in particular, but I imagine this is the sort of thing that a lot of investors would be potentially interested in for the local market.

Speaker 9

So curious what that path could look like if you see it as one that might be feasible.

Speaker 5

So we are not currently able to activate this for European or British customers. And we're also not able to onboard Canadian customers at this time. But we are with the regulators in all these places and we're trying to get them not necessarily for the election contracts, but for the regular economic indicator and climate indicator contracts. And we are, of course, hoping to eventually expand that to sort of social trends. The issue here with these contracts is that we need an arbiter that is an uncorruptible arbiter.

Speaker 5

So namely, it has to be a state regulated agency that publishes the results. So nobody can claim that the results were manipulated or something like that.

Speaker 9

Understood. Very helpful. Maybe one other follow-up on an earlier comment. You mentioned that you're opening up a new office in Dubai. Could you maybe talk a little bit about your plans for the region?

Speaker 9

Is this perhaps related to going after a broader introducing broker opportunity? Is it about seeking out large wealthy traders, hedge funds in the region? What are your sort of plans to help there?

Speaker 4

Well, we're trying to attract the more sophisticated accounts, maybe hedge funds, maybe investors with accounts of significant size. Dubai is, as we can read in the news, a very hot place nowadays. A lot of expats coming in from various countries in the world. So we have some optimistic expectations as to how we're going to do with that office.

Speaker 9

Okay. Thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

And thank you. And one moment for our next question. And our next question comes from Macrae Sykes from Gameco. Your line is now open.

Speaker 11

Great. Thanks for taking my questions. I actually had just 2, but I'll lump them together. We've been through a few election cycles with the platform. I was curious if you could talk about some of the dynamics in trading before and after major general elections.

Speaker 11

Would you expect anything different this cycle? And then assuming after a 4 year drought of IPOs, we do start to get a little more constructive capital markets activity in 2025, how would that impact some of the segments and trading dynamics on the platform? Thank you.

Speaker 4

I think we can expect increased volatility, especially as we approach the Election Day. I don't know whether you must remember the volatility that we've seen in the previous elections. I think very similar circumstances will be observed this time around. So higher volumes, higher volatility that is what I would expect. And I'm sorry, what was your second question?

Speaker 11

Assuming we get a more constructive IPO market next year, how does that affect some of the trading dynamics with some of the different segments, institutional versus retail?

Speaker 4

Well, what it means to announce is we participate in the IPO market in Asia. Just today, I've read some news that a Chinese company is applying for listing on the Hong Kong market. So as that IPO activity picks up, we expect to earn some fees resulting from these new listings. That's going to be impact on our results. Now IPOs are always hot when they get listed.

Speaker 4

Investors are interested in participating in trading them on day 1. That is when our platform is ready for trading them on day 1. So that is going to generate some volumes and some increased interest as well.

Speaker 2

We also usually see securities lending opportunities go up around those IPOs and we make those available as well.

Speaker 9

Thank you.

Operator

And thank you. And one moment for our next question. And our next question comes from James Yaro from Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Speaker 6

Thanks for taking the follow-up. Thomas, the stock has appreciated very substantially this year, but I don't believe that you have returned to selling stock. Maybe you could just speak to the key considerations as you think about whether you might return to selling?

Speaker 5

To the extent, if I get some large bidders, I may offer them stock, but I'm not about to go and sell into the market because when the news hits the market, the stock tanks. I'm not getting the price I'd like to get.

Speaker 6

Okay, very clear. Thank you.

Operator

And thank you. And I'm showing no further questions. I would now like to turn the call back over to Nancy Stuebbe for closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Thank you everyone for participating today. As a reminder, this call will be available for replay on our website and we will also be posting a clean version of our transcript on the site tomorrow. Thanks again and we will talk to you next quarter end.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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