Interactive Brokers Group Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Record financial results: Q3 net revenues and pretax income both hit all-time highs, driven by strong commission and net interest income amid record options, futures and equity trading volumes.
  • Robust account growth: The firm added 196,000 new accounts in the quarter, lifting client credit balances 19% to $116.7 billion and surpassing $500 billion in client equity for the first time.
  • Interest-rate sensitivity: Net interest income reached a quarterly record of $802 million despite rate cuts, though each 25 bp decrease in Fed funds would trim annual NII by about $64 million.
  • European consolidation: The merger of IB Central Europe and IB Ireland incurred a $12 million upfront cost but is expected to save $7 million annually through regulatory and operational efficiencies.
  • New product launch: The ForecastX exchange went live August 1, and election-related contracts have already attracted ~800 clients trading $6 million in volume, opening a novel event-driven market.
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Earnings Conference Call
Interactive Brokers Group Q3 2024
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Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by, and welcome to Interactive Brokers Group 3Q 2024 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there'll be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you'll need to press star one one on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Nancy Stuebe, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Nancy Stuebe
Nancy Stuebe
Director of Investor Relations at Interactive Brokers Group

Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us for our third quarter twenty twenty-four earnings call. Joining us today are Thomas Peterffy, our Founder and Chairman, Milan Galik, our President and CEO, and Paul Brody, our CFO. I will be presenting Milan's comments on the business, and all three will be available at our Q&A. As a reminder, today's call may include forward-looking statements which represent the company's belief regarding future events, which, by their nature, are not certain and are outside of the company's control. Our actual results and financial condition may differ, possibly materially, from what is indicated in these forward-looking statements. We ask that you refer to the disclaimers in our press release. You should also review a description of risk factors contained in our financial reports filed with the SEC. This quarter, the long-awaited interest rate cut in the U.S. finally happened.

Nancy Stuebe
Nancy Stuebe
Director of Investor Relations at Interactive Brokers Group

The market proceeded to rally on the news. The S&P 500 rose 5.5% this quarter, joining higher indices in nearly every global market, save Japan, and following rate cuts in the U.K., Canada, Europe, and China. For the industry as a whole, options contract volumes were up 12% over last year, reaching a new record and surpassing even the strong first quarter. CME futures volumes were up 27% versus last year, also a record, as investors were eager to trade interest rate futures, in particular, in order to wager on rate changes. As for equities, overall U.S. industry volumes are up versus last year, though down slightly from last quarter, as the Magnificent Seven lost some of their grip on U.S. market performance.

Nancy Stuebe
Nancy Stuebe
Director of Investor Relations at Interactive Brokers Group

These stocks contributed just 12% of the S&P's gain this quarter, versus 95% last quarter, with more than half of them down. However, as in prior recent quarters, it appears so far that investors are holding on to these positions and have not made changes like selling them to buy new names. Against this industry backdrop, our options, futures, and stock volumes were all up versus last year. Versus the second quarter, our volumes are up in futures and options, though in equities they were down slightly as investors continue to gravitate towards higher priced stocks, so the notional value of equities traded rose. We added 196,000 new accounts in the third quarter, behind only the meme stock days of the first quarter of 2021.

Nancy Stuebe
Nancy Stuebe
Director of Investor Relations at Interactive Brokers Group

New accounts meant more cash in those accounts, which helped raise our client credit balances 19% to a record $116.7 billion. Margin loans were up 28% from last year, and our client equity was up 46% to $541.5 billion. The first time we ended a quarter with over $500 billion. Rising markets and the anticipation of lower rates continue to lead clients to feel more comfortable taking on risk. So in addition to taking on more leverage using margin loans, they also took on more assertive positions, which increased our exposure fee revenue. Active markets yielded strong financial results. Both commission revenue and net interest income reached records, as did total net revenues.

Nancy Stuebe
Nancy Stuebe
Director of Investor Relations at Interactive Brokers Group

We maintained our focus on expenses, meaning our pre-tax income also reached a record, and both our reported and adjusted pre-tax profit margins were an industry-leading 72%. Broken down by geography, our accounts and client equity once again grew fastest in Europe and Asia, as growing numbers of investors worldwide want access to international and particularly US markets. Of our five client segments, the fastest account growth was again seen with individuals, with introducing brokers and proprietary traders not far behind. On the client equity side, financial advisors once again grew the fastest, followed by I-Brokers and individuals. Commission growth was fastest for our proprietary traders, while net interest income growth was led by individuals, followed by financial advisors. At the company level, we experienced another productive quarter. On August first, the previously announced merger of IB Central Europe and IB Ireland was completed.

Nancy Stuebe
Nancy Stuebe
Director of Investor Relations at Interactive Brokers Group

As a result, all of our EEA clients can benefit equally from an expanded offering of products and services. The upfront cost of this consolidation was $12 million, which is reflected in our G&A expense. Going forward, assuming today's level of business and regulatory fees, we expect annual savings of $7 million from having only one European brokerage business and one regulator to report to. On September first, we opened a licensed office in Dubai, solidifying our presence in the Middle East region. We launched trading in both equities and futures on Bursa Malaysia this quarter.

Nancy Stuebe
Nancy Stuebe
Director of Investor Relations at Interactive Brokers Group

We've expanded our offerings to include 22-hour-a-day trading in U.S. Treasuries, European government bonds, U.K. Gilts, and Swiss franc-denominated corporate and sovereign bonds. In addition to over 10,000 U.S. stocks, ETFs, and equity index options, non-US clients can now also trade contracts for difference, or CFDs, on more than 3,500 U.S. stocks and ETFs during overnight hours. We upgraded our API functionality to provide new introducing broker clients with faster and easier integration. Rather than relying on multiple separate code libraries, our partners can now access our extensive range of services through a single unified interface. In our IBKR ATS, for several years now, we have operated an options crossing session in which we seek opposite side liquidity for marketable orders in U.S. options, providing customers the opportunity for price improvement. We have now added the same functionality for customer U.S. options orders priced inside the NBBO.

Nancy Stuebe
Nancy Stuebe
Director of Investor Relations at Interactive Brokers Group

When we succeed in pairing these tweener orders with liquidity in our ATS, the customer benefits by obtaining a guaranteed fill on their non-marketable order, as well as the opportunity for further price improvement in an on-exchange price improvement auction. We have seen excellent participation by our liquidity providers in this program, and our customers who place non-marketable orders in U.S.-listed options are seeing substantial, meaningful benefits as a result. We believe this further demonstrates and enhances our position as the premier broker for options trading. And finally, we launched ForecastEx, our forecast contract exchange, on August first. After a two-and-a-half-year approval process, we received the green light from the CFTC and are looking forward to seeing its performance. Investors can now buy yes and no contracts on the outcome of events that were previously unavailable for direct investment or hedging.

Nancy Stuebe
Nancy Stuebe
Director of Investor Relations at Interactive Brokers Group

Whether it's the release of key economic data, results of U.S. elections, or long-term developments like future global temperatures or the size of the U.S. national debt, investors can manage exposure or hedge their existing positions. And to ensure it is easy for interested liquidity providers to connect with us, we have both FIX and RESTful API connectivity ready for them. Together with the Interactive Brokers team, I look forward to continuing the work on the many projects we have lined up. Much is planned for the quarters ahead. Our pipeline of new business and new initiatives remains healthy, and we look forward to sharing the results with you as we introduce them. With that, I will turn the call over to Paul Brody. Paul?

Paul Brody
Paul Brody
CFO at Interactive Brokers Group

Thank you, Nancy. Thanks, everyone, for joining the call today. We'll start with our revenue items on page three of the release. We're pleased with our financial results this quarter, as we again produced record net revenues and pretax income. Commissions rose to a record $435 million. This quarter, both options and futures volumes reached new quarterly highs as we saw active customers across global regions participate in the markets. Net interest income also reached a quarterly record of $802 million, despite rate cuts in several countries, including the full impact of second quarter cuts in Europe, Canada, and Switzerland, and partial quarter impacts of third quarter cuts in those countries, as well as in the U.S., U.K., and Hong Kong.

Paul Brody
Paul Brody
CFO at Interactive Brokers Group

The continued risk-on environment in the quarter led to a significant increase in margin borrowing, and strong account growth led to increases in our segregated cash portfolio. These increases were partially offset by the interest paid to our customers on their cash balances. Interactive Brokers pays clients holding U.S. dollars the benchmark Fed funds rate, less fifty basis points on their qualified funds, which makes us attractive compared to other brokers and banks and competitive with money market funds, and as a truly global broker, we pay similarly competitive rates on qualified balances in twenty other currencies. Other fees and services generated $72 million, up 38% from the prior year, driven by the continued risk-on positioning of customers, which is reflected in an increase in risk exposure fees, with contributions also from payments for order flow from options exchange-mandated programs and FDIC sweep fees as well.

Paul Brody
Paul Brody
CFO at Interactive Brokers Group

Other income includes gains and losses on our investments, our currency diversification strategy, and principal transactions. Note that several of these are non-core items and therefore are excluded in our adjusted earnings. Without these excluded items, other income was an $18 million gain for the quarter. Turning to expenses, execution, clearing, and distribution costs were $116 million in the quarter, up 18% over the year-ago quarter, predominantly from higher regulatory fees that were introduced by the SEC earlier this year. The SEC fee is a pass-through to customers, so it does not impact our profitability. As a % of commission revenues, execution and clearing costs were 21% in the third quarter for a gross transactional profit margin of 79%.

Paul Brody
Paul Brody
CFO at Interactive Brokers Group

We calculate this by excluding from execution, clearing, and distribution, $21 million of non-transaction-based costs, mainly market data fees, which do not have a direct commission revenue component. Compensation and benefits expense was $145 million for the quarter, for a ratio of compensation expense to adjusted net revenues of 11%, similar to last year's quarter. We remain focused on expense discipline while targeting specific functions to grow the business. Inside our year-over-year staff increase of only 1%, we had good success in hiring talented software developers, and partially offsetting that, we reduced compliance staff as we went into full operational mode with our in-house developed compliance system. Our headcount at September thirtieth was 2,969.

Paul Brody
Paul Brody
CFO at Interactive Brokers Group

G&A expenses were $75 million, up from the year ago quarter, led by a one-time expense to consolidate our European operations and expenses related to legal and regulatory matters. Excluding these items, G&A was up $9 million to $51 million, primarily on higher advertising expense. Our pre-tax margin was 72% for the quarter, both as reported and as adjusted. Income taxes of $80 million reflects the sum of the public company's $45 million and the operating company's $35 million. The public company's effective tax rate was 18.4% within its usual range. Moving to our balance sheet on page five of the release. Our total assets ended the quarter 23% higher than the prior year quarter, at $148 billion, driven by strong growth in margin lending.

Paul Brody
Paul Brody
CFO at Interactive Brokers Group

New account growth also helped propel our customer credit balances by 19% to a new record level, and we believe that our strong financial standing and competitive interest rates provide customers with an attractive place to hold their idle cash. We continue to have no long-term debt, and healthy profitability drove our 21% increase in firm equity over the prior year quarter, and in recognition of this growth, we allocated capital to a dividend increase last quarter. We maintained a balance sheet geared towards supporting growth in our existing business and helping us win new business by demonstrating our strength to prospective clients and partners. In our operating data on pages six and seven, we had record customer contract volumes in both options and futures.

Paul Brody
Paul Brody
CFO at Interactive Brokers Group

In options, our contract volumes rose 35% over the prior year quarter, well above industry growth, and futures contract volumes rose by 13%. Stock share volumes rose by 22%, also above industry growth. Stock share volume generally increased versus last year as clients in our largest markets gravitated to larger, higher quality names and trading relatively less in Pink Sheet and other very low-priced stocks. Growth in the notional dollar value of shares traded well outpaced the growth in share volumes. On page seven, you can see that total customer DARTs were 2.7 million trades per day, up 42% from the prior year. Commission per cleared commissionable order of $2.83 was down from last year, primarily due to smaller average order sizes across all product classes, which was more than compensated by stronger volumes.

Paul Brody
Paul Brody
CFO at Interactive Brokers Group

Turning to net interest income on page eight, total GAAP net interest income was $802 million for the quarter, up 9% on the prior year, while our NIM net interest income was $826 million or $24 million higher. In the NIM computation, we include some income that is classified as other fees or other income on our income statement, but we believe is more appropriately considered interest. Our net interest income reflects strength in margin loan and segregated cash interests, partially offset by higher interest expense on customer cash balances. Several central banks made cuts to their benchmark rates this quarter. The U.S., U.K., and Hong Kong cut for the first time since early 2020, while Europe, Switzerland, and Canada cut their rates both this quarter and last.

Paul Brody
Paul Brody
CFO at Interactive Brokers Group

Reflecting relatively flat benchmark rates year on year, our segregated cash interest income rose 5% on a 6% increase in average balances, while margin loan interest rose by 26% on a 28% increase in average balances. The average duration of our U.S. Treasury portfolio remains at less than 30 days. With the U.S. dollar yield curve continuing to be inverted, except in the very near term, we have been maximizing what we earn by focusing on higher short-term yields rather than accept the significantly lower yields of longer maturities. This strategy allows us to maintain a relatively tight maturity match between our assets and liabilities, and positions us to be nimble if the yield curve does revert. Securities lending net interest has not been as strong as in prior quarters for three main reasons.

Paul Brody
Paul Brody
CFO at Interactive Brokers Group

First, an extremely strong stock market with a backdrop of a falling rate environment coincides with a smaller proportion of clients looking to put on shorts. Second, there are fewer hard-to-borrow names industry-wide, not only because the overall market is rising sharply, but also due to the weakness in some of the drivers relevant to securities lending, including IPOs, low market volatility, and merger and acquisition activity. So even though the notional value of what we are lending was higher than last year's quarter, overall industry average lending rates are lower. Finally, as noted on previous calls, higher average interest rates versus prior year periods means more of what we earn from securities lending is classified as interest on segregated cash.

Paul Brody
Paul Brody
CFO at Interactive Brokers Group

To more accurately reflect all the income we earn from our securities lending business, we estimate that if the additional interest earned and paid on cash collateral were included under securities borrowed and loaned, then total net revenue related to our securities lending business would have been about $156 million versus $181 million in the year-ago quarter. This additional revenue would be reclassified from the line items, interest earned on segregated cash and interest paid on customer credit balances, so overall, it would have no effect on our net interest margin. Interest on customer credit balances, the interest we pay to our customers on the cash in their accounts, rose on higher balances from new account growth.

Paul Brody
Paul Brody
CFO at Interactive Brokers Group

As we have noted in the past, the high interest rates we pay on customer cash, currently 4.33% on qualified U.S. dollar balances, is a significant attraction to new customers. Fully rate-sensitive customer balances were $19.5 billion this quarter versus $17.1 billion in the year ago quarter. Together with firm equity, most of which consists of interest-earning assets, total fully rate-sensitive balances were $33.6 billion. Now, for our estimates of the impact of changes in rates, given market expectations of further rate cuts in the future, we estimate the effect of a 25 basis point decrease in the benchmark Fed funds rate to be a $64 million reduction in annual net interest income.

Paul Brody
Paul Brody
CFO at Interactive Brokers Group

Note that our starting point for this estimate is September thirtieth, with the Fed funds effective rate at 4.83% and balances as of that date. Any growth in our balance sheet and interest earning assets would reduce this impact. About 24% of our customers' cash balances is not in U.S. dollars, so estimates of a U.S. rate change exclude those currencies. We estimate the effect of decreases in all of the relevant non-U.S. benchmark rates would reduce annual net interest income by $18 million for each 25 basis point decrease in those benchmarks. At a high level, a full 1% decrease in all benchmark rates would decrease our annual net interest income by $328 million. This takes into account rate-sensitive customer balances and firm equity.

Paul Brody
Paul Brody
CFO at Interactive Brokers Group

In conclusion, we posted another financially strong quarter in net revenues and pre-tax margin, reflecting our continued ability to grow our customer base and deliver on our core value proposition to customers while scaling the business. Our business strategy continues to be effective, automating as much of the broker's business as possible, continuously improving and expanding what we offer while minimizing what we charge. With that, we will open up the line for questions.

Operator

And thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. And one moment for our first question. And our first question comes from Patrick Moley from Piper Sandler. Your line is now open.

Patrick Moley
Patrick Moley
Analyst at Piper Sandler

Yeah, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question. I just had one on the U.S. election forecast contracts that you mentioned in your prepared remarks. It launched on October third. About four days after launch, you issued a press release saying you'd already done about a million contracts. So I was hoping you could maybe just provide some color on how these contracts are being utilized, where the volumes have come from up to this point. Is it new accounts? Is it existing accounts? And then if you could maybe just help us understand how you're thinking about the opportunity from a new account acquisition standpoint, given you're, I think, one of the only brokers out there that currently offers these contracts. Thanks.

Milan Galik
Milan Galik
CEO at Interactive Brokers Group

We launched ForecastEx on August first. We added the political events on fourth of October. We've seen around 800 clients trading so far. The volume up to yesterday was around $6 million. Most of it is in the election contracts, so the election political contracts is what currently resonates with our clientele. It should be noted that the political contracts can only be traded by the U.S. clients. There is a regulation speaking to that. And generally, the rest of the contracts are offered by Interactive Brokers LLC clients to LLC clients and our Hong Kong clients. In other words, the functionality is not yet fully available worldwide. There are some regulatory approvals that are needed, for example, in Europe. As to who is trading this, we did not look at whether it's new accounts or the old accounts.

Milan Galik
Milan Galik
CEO at Interactive Brokers Group

We were very excited that the judge decided in favor of listing the political contracts on ForecastEx and similar platforms. We hope that the political contracts will attract new clients to our platform.

Patrick Moley
Patrick Moley
Analyst at Piper Sandler

Okay, thanks. And just to follow up on the competitive landscape in U.S. retail trading, large mobile-based competitor of yours plans to launch index options in the fourth quarter. They've said that they're planning to introduce those contracts at a lower price point than many of the incumbents. So understanding that nothing has been announced up to this point, specifically on where they're gonna be priced, just wanted to get your thoughts on whether you think this is gonna create any sort of pricing pressure on index options across the industry, and how you think it might just impact the overall, I guess, competitive landscape for index options. Thanks.

Milan Galik
Milan Galik
CEO at Interactive Brokers Group

We will have to see how they're going to be pricing the index options. Index options have, in prior years, been mostly traded by professionals and sophisticated traders. More recently, when large amount of volume was attracted to the zero day options, more diverse clientele started trading these. It's difficult for me to estimate the impact, given that they haven't yet gone out, and they did not announce the pricing either.

Patrick Moley
Patrick Moley
Analyst at Piper Sandler

Okay. Thank you, and I'll hop back in queue.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from James Yaro from Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

James Yaro
James Yaro
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Good afternoon, and thanks for taking my questions. I do think there's a lot of optimism among investors on the ForecastEx business. Maybe, Milan, if you could just speak to the timeframe over which you expect this to reach scale and actually have a material impact on your results, and I'll let you define materiality however you'd like. And then, just in terms of whether there's any market risk to your balance sheet from these contracts, obviously, they're different than, you know, equities or options that we're all familiar with. And then if so, how you might hedge them?

Milan Galik
Milan Galik
CEO at Interactive Brokers Group

Thanks for your question.

Thomas Peterffy
Thomas Peterffy
Chairman at Interactive Brokers Group

Would it be okay if I... Milan, would it be okay if I-

Milan Galik
Milan Galik
CEO at Interactive Brokers Group

Go ahead. Yeah, of course.

Thomas Peterffy
Thomas Peterffy
Chairman at Interactive Brokers Group

Run into this? So, look, this, this has been my baby for a long time, this ForecastEx thing. And, when it will reach scale, I think it will reach scale, later this year. Namely, you know, in the last few days of the election, we expect that it will really pick up. We have some other interest coming in to ForecastEx. And, so, that's where we are with it. We're extremely excited about it. And the election, we look at the election thing as a very lucky circumstance, because there is so much interest on it, that it will draw in other people who then will be customers for the economic and climate contracts.

Thomas Peterffy
Thomas Peterffy
Chairman at Interactive Brokers Group

That is what is really going to be our long-term focus with ForecastEx, the economic indicators and the climate contracts. The elections are just a lucky interlude now.

James Yaro
James Yaro
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Okay. That's very clear. Thank you so much, Thomas. Maybe just on the RIA channel, which I do think has taken a leg higher in terms of growth, and it appears you are adding larger RIAs than historically. Could you just speak to the growth trajectory in that channel, and whether the client base you are adding is different than in the past?

Milan Galik
Milan Galik
CEO at Interactive Brokers Group

What we were hoping to see, that more financial advisor would come to our platform, as the platform is getting better and better, and a lot of clients are currently on Schwab's platform. And as we all know, Schwab is not paying a lot of interest on uninvested cash. So we had a lot of hopes for the accounts to come in. Some of them came over, not as many as we would like. What I can tell you is that we are continuously working on the improvements to the RIA platform. If everything goes well, we're going to be announcing something new in this quarter, this coming quarter. If things slow down, maybe the following one. There is going to be new and exciting functionality coming online, and we are hopeful that it's going to translate into more RIA, RIAs on our platform.

James Yaro
James Yaro
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

That's excellent. Thanks, Milan.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Dan Fannon from Jefferies LLC. Your line is now open.

Daniel Fannon
Daniel Fannon
Analyst at Jefferies

Thanks. I think one of the comments you mentioned were that new accounts were coming on with more cash than previously. So I was hoping you could talk about the makeup of those accounts today versus, say, a year ago, and what might, you know, what some of the different characteristics might be.

Milan Galik
Milan Galik
CEO at Interactive Brokers Group

... Paul, would you like to take this one? I think this was your comment.

Paul Brody
Paul Brody
CFO at Interactive Brokers Group

It was more of a general comment that new accounts always bring more cash. I don't think that we're seeing, you know, there's a distinction in the character of those accounts. I think if there's something illuminating there, it's which client segment, you know, at what rate they're growing, and we said individuals are growing the fastest, you know, followed by the advisors and the introducing brokers. I don't think-

Milan Galik
Milan Galik
CEO at Interactive Brokers Group

Prop traders are the second most lucrative segment, and we do have more and more prop traders coming in, and they are the ones that have more cash in their account than individual traders, certainly.

Paul Brody
Paul Brody
CFO at Interactive Brokers Group

They certainly generate more volume.

Daniel Fannon
Daniel Fannon
Analyst at Jefferies

Understood. Okay, and then just as a follow-up, Paul, maybe just as you think about expenses, you know, some one-time items in G&A, but maybe into the fourth quarter, and as you think about next year in budgeting, given the strength in account growth, how should we think about the flow-through from a marketing perspective, or are there more discretionary type expenses on a more annual basis?

Paul Brody
Paul Brody
CFO at Interactive Brokers Group

I think Milan can address the marketing and advertising, perhaps. On the rest, you know, we try to point out the one-time expenses so that they can be dropped out when giving you a better picture of the run rates, but nothing else extraordinary.

Milan Galik
Milan Galik
CEO at Interactive Brokers Group

For marketing, our aim is to be increasing the spend approximately 20% a year. We are continuously monitoring the various marketing channels we have been utilizing over time. When a particular ad on a particular channel does better, we spend more money. If it does less well, we decrease the expenditure. But going forward, that is roughly the expectations, 20% annual increase on the marketing spend.

Daniel Fannon
Daniel Fannon
Analyst at Jefferies

Great, thank you.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Chris Allen from Citi. Your line is now open.

Chris Allen
Chris Allen
Analyst at Citi

Afternoon, everyone. I wanted to talk a little bit about trading activity per account. When you look over the years, it's been consistently coming in, but this year it's stabilized and actually improved a little bit. And I'm guessing some of that's due to mix shift from a client perspective, as you alluded to, prop accounts are seeing positive inflows, wondering if that's a factor and/or increased hedge fund activity, and how you're thinking about that moving forward?

Milan Galik
Milan Galik
CEO at Interactive Brokers Group

If we look at the prop trading account, their commissions, the commissions that they generate increased faster than any other segments-generated commission, either individual accounts or even hedge funds. So that is a reason I think you see some more of a stabilization. Previous years, what we've been seeing is, as a lot of accounts arrive from, for example, Interactive Brokers, they were trading a little less than the professional and active traders we prefer.

Chris Allen
Chris Allen
Analyst at Citi

Got it. And then, when we're thinking about just the revenue outlook moving forward, the big pushback on the stock is that NI will be declining in a lower rate environment. How are you thinking about the offsets here, in terms of increased margin balances, trading activity, anything else that we should be conceptualizing, in a lower rate environment moving forward?

Milan Galik
Milan Galik
CEO at Interactive Brokers Group

Well, there is a predictable hit the net interest income is going to take on the interest that we earn on the uninvested cash. We alluded to the size of that effect. What we can, though, expect is the offset that we're going to receive from new accounts that continue to arrive to our platform and the new free cash that is coming in as well. So there is going to be a tug-of-war, if you will, between these two effects, if we see further decreases in the interest rates, but we are optimistic going forward about the account growth, so we are not too worried about that. As far as the commissions are concerned, that obviously, to an extent, depends on how busy the markets are, whether there is volatility present or not.

Milan Galik
Milan Galik
CEO at Interactive Brokers Group

But given that we have been, over years, attracting accounts from various segments, including the hedge funds, including the prop traders who trade for a living, we expect continued healthy commission income.

Chris Allen
Chris Allen
Analyst at Citi

Thank you, guys.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Brennan Hawken from UBS. Your line is now open.

Paul Brody
Paul Brody
CFO at Interactive Brokers Group

Good afternoon, and thanks for taking my question. During the quarter, we saw Chinese stimulus announced. Curious to hear, you know, what impacts you've seen on customers, either, you know, within China, or whether or not there's been a broader impact across the region of Asia?

Milan Galik
Milan Galik
CEO at Interactive Brokers Group

The stimulus that was announced by the Chinese government is a relatively recent phenomenon. I think it happened towards the end of September, maybe last week of September. We then all witnessed the very sudden run-up in the prices of the Chinese securities and Chinese indexes, which since then somewhat subsided. I do not have information as to what exactly it meant in terms of the incoming accounts. We can comment on that next time we meet, three months from now.

Thomas Peterffy
Thomas Peterffy
Chairman at Interactive Brokers Group

Okay. And then the legal and regulatory charge, is there any color that you can give on what that was related to?

Milan Galik
Milan Galik
CEO at Interactive Brokers Group

Sorry, which regulatory charge?

Thomas Peterffy
Thomas Peterffy
Chairman at Interactive Brokers Group

The $9 million legal and regulatory charge that you took in G&A.

Milan Galik
Milan Galik
CEO at Interactive Brokers Group

Nine million. Well, we-

Paul Brody
Paul Brody
CFO at Interactive Brokers Group

Yeah, so that's every quarter we make an evaluation of, you know, open cases and so forth, and we have to make, you know, we make reserves accordingly, when we can determine that they're probable and estimable. So it's not out of the ordinary, but it was large enough to make an impact on the overall G&A.

Milan Galik
Milan Galik
CEO at Interactive Brokers Group

Just like any other financial company that is regulated by multiple regulators, is continuously scrutinized by regulators. There are constant sweeps. There are specific investigations of individual companies. We are dealing with those on a frequent basis. Our legal department advises us, if they feel that an increase in the reserve, legal reserve is appropriate. That is what they did this quarter, so we have increased the reserve.

Thomas Peterffy
Thomas Peterffy
Chairman at Interactive Brokers Group

Thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

And thank you. And one moment for our next question, please. And our next question comes from Benjamin Budish from Barclays. Your line is now open.

Ben Budish
Ben Budish
Analyst at Barclays

Hi, good afternoon. Thank you for taking the question. I wanted to follow up on one of your earlier comments on ForecastEx. You mentioned that, it's, you know, largely available in the U.S. right now. So maybe, maybe a two-parter, because what would the path be to making, you know, contracts like the election contracts available outside the U.S.? And then I'm curious, what are your thoughts on providing a similar type of product locally in many of the countries in which you operate? I know the kind of value proposition, which you talk about, is the ability to access the U.S. markets in particular, but I imagine this is the sort of thing that a lot of investors would be potentially interested in for the local market.

Ben Budish
Ben Budish
Analyst at Barclays

So I'm curious what, you know, that path could look like if you see it as one that might be feasible.

Thomas Peterffy
Thomas Peterffy
Chairman at Interactive Brokers Group

So we are not currently able to activate this for European or British customers, and we're also not able to onboard Canadian customers at this time. But we are with the regulators in all these places, and we're trying to get them, not necessarily for the election contracts, but for the regular economic indicator and climate indicator contracts. And we are of course hoping to eventually expand that to sort of social trends. The issue here with this contract is that we need an arbiter that is an incorruptible arbiter, so namely, it has to be a state-regulated agency that publishes the results so nobody can claim that the results were manipulated or something like that.

Ben Budish
Ben Budish
Analyst at Barclays

Understood. Very helpful. Maybe one other follow-up on an earlier comment. You mentioned that you're opening up a new office in Dubai. Could you maybe talk a little bit about your plans for the region? Is this perhaps related to going after a broader introducing broker opportunity? Is it about seeking out, you know, large, wealthy traders, hedge funds in the region? What are your sort of, you know, plans for those there?

Milan Galik
Milan Galik
CEO at Interactive Brokers Group

We're trying to attract the more sophisticated accounts, maybe, maybe hedge funds, maybe, investors with accounts of significant size. Dubai is, as we can read in the news, a very hot place nowadays. A lot of expats coming in from various countries in the world, so we have some optimistic expectations as to how we're going to do with that office.

Ben Budish
Ben Budish
Analyst at Barclays

Okay. Thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Macrae Sykes from GAMCO Investors. Your line is now open.

Macrae Sykes
Macrae Sykes
Analyst at GAMCO Investors

Oh, great. Thanks for taking my questions. I actually had just two, but I'll lump them together. We've been through a few election cycles with the platform. I was curious if you could talk about some of the dynamics in trading before and after major general elections. Would you expect anything different this cycle? And then assuming after a four-year drought of IPOs, we do start to get a little more constructive capital markets activity in twenty-five, how would that impact some of the segments, and trading dynamics on the platform? Thank you.

Milan Galik
Milan Galik
CEO at Interactive Brokers Group

... I think we can expect increased volatility, especially as we approach the election day. I don't know whether you must remember the volatility that we've seen in the previous elections. I think very similar circumstances will be observed this time around. So higher volumes, higher volatility, that is what I would expect, and I'm sorry, what was your second question?

Nancy Stuebe
Nancy Stuebe
Director of Investor Relations at Interactive Brokers Group

Assuming we get a more constructive IPO market next year, how does that affect some of the trading dynamics with some of the different segments, institutional versus retail?

Milan Galik
Milan Galik
CEO at Interactive Brokers Group

What it means for us is we participate in the IPO market in Asia. Just today, I read some news that a Chinese company is applying for a listing on the Hong Kong market. So as that IPO activity picks up, we expect to earn some fees resulting from these new listings. That's gonna be impact on our results. Now, IPOs are always hot when they get listed. Investors are interested in participating in trading them on day one. That is when our platform is ready for trading them on day one, so that is going to generate some volumes and some increased interest as well.

Paul Brody
Paul Brody
CFO at Interactive Brokers Group

We also usually see securities lending opportunities go up around those IPOs, and we make those available as well.

Nancy Stuebe
Nancy Stuebe
Director of Investor Relations at Interactive Brokers Group

Thank you.

Operator

And thank you. And one moment for our next question. And our next question comes from James Yaro from Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

James Yaro
James Yaro
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Thanks for taking the follow-up. Thomas, the stock has appreciated very substantially this year, but I don't believe that you have returned to selling stock. Maybe you could just speak to the key considerations as you think about whether you might return to selling.

Thomas Peterffy
Thomas Peterffy
Chairman at Interactive Brokers Group

Well, you know, to the extent if I get some large bidders, I may offer them stock, but I'm not about to go and sell into the market because, you know, when the news hits the market, the stock tanks. Then I'm not getting the price I'd like to get.

James Yaro
James Yaro
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Okay. Very clear. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. I'm showing no further questions. I would now like to turn the call back over to Nancy Stuebe for closing remarks.

Nancy Stuebe
Nancy Stuebe
Director of Investor Relations at Interactive Brokers Group

Thank you, everyone, for participating today. As a reminder, this call will be available for replay on our website, and we will also be posting a clean version of our transcript on the site tomorrow. Thanks again, and we will talk to you next quarter end.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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