OTCMKTS:NANX Nanophase Technologies Q3 2024 Earnings Report ProfileEarnings History Nanophase Technologies EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.04Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/ANanophase Technologies Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$16.87 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ANanophase Technologies Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2024Date10/30/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateThursday, October 31, 2024Conference Call Time2:00PM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Nanophase Technologies Q3 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrOctober 31, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Nanopase Technologies Corporation Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:23Today's call is being recorded. Doors' beliefs, expects, anticipates, plans, forecasts and similar expressions are intended to identify forward looking statements. Statements contained in this news release that are non historical facts are forward looking statements that are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements reflect the company's current beliefs and a number of important factors could cause actual results for future periods to differ materially from those expressed in the news release. These important factors include, without limitation, a decision of the customer to cancel purchase order or supplies agreement, demand for and acceptance of the company's personal care ingredients, advanced materials and formulated products changes in development and distribution relationships the impact of competitive products and technology's possible disruption in commercial activities occasioned by public health issues, terrorist activity and armed conflict and other risks indicated in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Operator00:01:37Interface undertakes no obligation to update or revise these forward looking statements to reflect new events or uncertainties. I will now hand the conference over to your speaker, Mr. Jeff Jankowski, President and CEO. Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 100:01:52Thank you, Olivia. Good afternoon to all of those listening live. We appreciate your flexibility in today's timing. Also, thank you to those following up later online. Kevin Curatin, our Chief Operating Officer is joining me again today on the call. Speaker 100:02:08We have some brief prepared comments then we'll be available for some Q and A afterwards. Dare I say our progress has been scary good so far in 2024. I had to say that. Looking at our quarterly financial results and talking in approximate numbers, at almost $17,000,000 in total revenue and over $3,000,000 in net income for Q3 of 2024, we continue to set new milestones. Year over year, our bottom line went from an 18% loss in Q3 of 2023 to net income of 18% or $3,100,000 in the Q3 of 2024. Speaker 100:02:44That's a $4,500,000 swing. Looking at our 9 month financial results, again talking in approximate numbers, we're at a record pace, which is not an approximation. With a total $40,000,000 in revenue, our 9 month numbers have exceeded the prior year's 9 month numbers by more than $10,000,000 or 36%. We've set a new revenue record for each quarter in 2024 and we expect to do it again in Q4. Just through ninethirty of 2024, we've exceeded total full year 2023 revenue by $2,500,000 or 7% and we have a quarter to go. Speaker 100:03:24At $13,400,000 in gross profit or 34 percent of sales, we exceeded 9 month 2023 gross profit by $6,000,000 and our gross profit percentage was up 9 points, almost 40% over that of the same period in 2023. We also booked $4,800,000 in net income for the 9 months of 2024 versus a $2,300,000 loss for the same period in 2023, more than a $7,000,000 improvement. Looking forward, in the Solesence era, our Q4 revenue has typically been lower as a percentage of total revenue than Q2 and Q3. There are too many variables for us to give a clear indication of full year results at this point, but we do expect 2024 revenue to exceed $50,000,000 and with upside, we may well finish in the mid to upper $50,000,000 range. We're looking at solid customer demand into 2025 and while expecting a typical dip in Q4 results, we see more growth coming as we continue to improve operational efficiencies. Speaker 100:04:30Our top focus is preparing to deliver additional volume in 2025 and to increase profitability on every unit we ship. Now I'd like to introduce Kevin Cureton, our Chief Operating Officer to share his thoughts on our progress in 2024 and our forward outlook. Kevin? Speaker 200:04:47Thanks, Jess. As always, I'd like to thank our team for continuing to demonstrate why we are considered the platinum standard in the industry. Our brand partners for their continued commitment to collaborative growth, our supplier partners for keeping their promises to us and of course, our investors for their patience and faith in our organization. Q3 represents a milestone moment for our organization. Jess has already highlighted some of those financial successes, so I'll spend a brief bit of time on operational milestones that were also achieved. Speaker 200:05:25I'm sure it's no surprise that our company in 2 of the 3 months of Q3 achieved record throughput levels. The improvement in throughput was largely driven by our adoption of OEE metrics that helped us focus our company on areas that would yield the biggest immediate improvement in performance. In Q3, that focus was on increasing uptime. While the improvement in uptime with the improvement of uptime, we also saw an improvement in labor efficiency as compared to prior quarters. While there is still far to go, with the key additions in our production management and maintenance teams and the realization of the benefits from our automation investments, we expect to consistently improve our performance in these areas. Speaker 200:06:13Our other key metrics were also strong. We continue to have excellent inventory availability allowing us for the first time this year to also achieve a significant improvement in on time in full performance, where over 90% of all planned shipments were completed within the quarter. As we noted at the beginning of this year, we believe that we can simultaneously achieve continued growth at a multiple of the industry's growth rate while improving profitability. While combining these operational improvements with improvements in materials costs, it's clear that our company is now solidly positioned to continue to accomplish that objective. We plan to continue to grind hard at proving this quarter after quarter and are in fact we are focused on having our EBITDA performance rival some of the best in class companies in the market regardless of industry. Speaker 200:07:14In closing, I'd like to mention 2 additional items, our book of business and our people. It's great to be able to confidently state that we have a strong book of business similar in scope to what we had when we closed Q2. We are poised for excellent top line growth in Q4 as this of this year versus the same period in 2023 and are already having volumes in 2025 that will look to be record levels. Turning to our teams, as I noted last quarter, this success is underpinned by the fabulous teams we have throughout the company. We know that while our world class technology and know how is how we got this journey started. Speaker 200:08:06It's our people that ultimately make the difference and will be the reason that we continue to outperform our market in terms of growth and profitability. We continue to raise our expectations and are excited about what the future holds. Speaker 100:08:22Back to you, Jeff. Thanks, Kevin. To expand on the book of business point, for purposes of comparison, our shift and open orders at ninethirty of this year are $34,000,000 That's about 80% higher than the same number for 2023. We expect more than a third of that in Q4. This is how we'll deliver record Q4 revenue this year followed by record Q1 revenue expected in 2025. Speaker 100:08:52In terms of our commercial model, a good way to summarize our business is that with our active pharmaceutical ingredients or APIs, we're offering the market a way to achieve UVA, UVB and other environmental protection in what we believe is the safest manner possible. While this was always a priority in our business, the advent of Solesence has helped us to bring our finished minerals based solutions to entire new markets. Not only will we enhance your life by helping to protect your skin with minerals in the way most dermatologists believe is safest and most effective, but will also help you to look great while doing it. As you can see, we continue to see consumers of prestige cosmetics demand more of our market partners' Solesence enabled products. These are large and deep markets for us. Speaker 100:09:41We expect the growth to continue. Consumers realize that safe skin protection is a critical part of overall health as is feeling good about the way you look. That's what we're all about. While we know that most of our investors listen to the webcast or review the transcript after this call, we're happy to invite those of you participating live on today's call to ask any questions you may have or share a comment or 2. Afterward, I'll offer a few closing comments. Speaker 100:10:09Olivia, would you please begin the Q and A session? Operator00:10:36First question coming from the line of John Henderson with Inflection Consulting. Your line is open. Speaker 300:10:43Hey, guys. Congratulations, Wow. We've been I think I can speak for everyone, we've been waiting years for this incredible inflection point. Congratulations, comes immediately to mind and well done. Thank you. Speaker 300:11:00So just one or two quick comments regarding the expectations for next year. So you guys already have booked significant orders for 2025 and relative to last year up 80%. Like when did the majority of the orders really kind of j curve for you guys each year? Is it during the spring summer obviously with the seasonal aspect? Or is this going to be a business where the seasonality just gets less and less because the brands are just selling so well, potentially even around the world? Speaker 200:11:42Thanks for the question. And, yes, I would say, first of all, our business, as Jess alluded to, is really non seasonal. At least in terms of the use of the product, a lot of the products that we sell, in fact the majority of the products that we sell are really skincare or color cosmetics with SPF, not just SPF. And so that gives it a lot less seasonality. There are, however, times when retailers really still like to bring these types of products into their in the brick and mortar environment and those tend to be in late Q1, early Q2. Speaker 200:12:29So new launches, so to speak, typically happen there and so you usually have a little bit of a surge there. Usually we anticipate that and it hasn't been true in the last few years in part because of some of our operational difficulties, but you'd expect sort of the Q1 to early Q2 to be the big lift. And then if you've got good market success, 3rd quarter is really usually a strong quarter because that's sort of your reorder times. With our business because we're growing a lot, we still see a lot of Q4 orders. Although as Jeff mentioned, those haven't been as big as say, some of our launch period. Speaker 200:13:22Though again, that's changing as well as we also see some, for lack of a better way of putting it, globalization where we have EU where our U. S. Customers are shipping ex U. S. Outside of the U. Speaker 200:13:37S. For the products that we make for them. So a lot of information there, but that's usually the timeframes that we would see and the rhythm that we would see in our business. Speaker 300:13:49And guys, I mean, honestly, I almost fell off my chair when I saw $0.04 in earnings. I mean, I didn't think we'd see that till like low 20s. So that is just so impressive and obviously with all the shares that have been issued. But I think to kind of actually hear that you guys are confident you can continue to improve efficiencies. So is it too crazy to start talking about potential 40% gross margins coming, Jeff? Speaker 300:14:19I know you don't want to stick your neck out, but I mean the momentum you have on operationally, I mean how consistent can it be? And like is 40% at least for a couple of quarters next year viable? Speaker 100:14:34I think it's possible. Ultimately, the way we're growing and the ups and downs are what drives some of that. If you do $12,000,000 at $1,000,000 a month and it's relatively flat production, it's a lot easier to benefit from all the gains you make. That would be a small number for us at this point. But in terms of just the regularity of production, so our first goal internally has been to try to keep production as close to flat as we can and still satisfy our customers. Speaker 100:15:09So if we have a dip, a low revenue month maybe, we're still producing at the same rate so that we're as efficient as possible. And that's where the hedging comes on what our margins can or can't be. We actually had a higher gross margin in Q3 of last year based on a combination of product mix. And when where their production was relative to the shipment. So I definitely think it's possible. Speaker 100:15:41I think it's likely that we have months in there that are 40% or above. And the question about stringing them together in a quarter and then multiple quarters really has a lot of them together in a quarter and then multiple quarters really has a lot to do with the trajectory of the business. If it's a steady if it happened to be a steady growing year where every month we just do a little bit more and a little bit more and it goes it's very possible. If it's up and down, it gets harder. But I don't think it's unrealistic to look at today's margins and say that they're achievable into the future notwithstanding quarterly dips and that we do expect to be improving on them. Speaker 300:16:20Final question, I'll get to the queue. You guys are you in place already to get to $100,000,000 in capacity? Or do you need to add more lines and you're going to be doing that over the course of 20 25 to get to hopefully those levels maybe as early as 20 26? Speaker 100:16:37We're in place to do that now. We are adding more capacity to be in place to do more than that, a multiple of that potentially. And it's whether we do it, when we do it has to do more with the growth of the business, the marketing and the customer uptake, but we're capable of doing it now. And I think what we'll see over time is that we'll have more we'll have redundancies that roll back and forth between types of production because all of these folks all these customers want different packaging. We refer to these things as components whether it's in a bottle or a towel or a tube or a jar. Speaker 100:17:20And what we don't have is universal excess capacity in each type of component and that has a lot to do with not knowing yet where that demand is going to be. So I think we're always going to have a higher capacity number than we're delivering because of that. And that's something to try to manage over time and understand the better we understand it, the better we'll do at it. But we definitely have that capacity now. Speaker 300:17:48Great job guys. I'm going to cede the floor. Thanks. Speaker 100:17:51Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:17:53Thank you. Our next question coming from the line of Jim Lieberman with American Trust Investment Services. Your line is open. Speaker 400:18:04Thank you. These are great numbers. Congratulations all around. I know it's been quite a struggle getting there. As one might expect, the business is uneven and a little bit lumpy, but it sounds like it's gaining momentum and getting a little bit stream of business, which is easier to play around. Speaker 400:18:21Again, congratulations. Do you think not knowing fully how you play out and how you structure your products, can you provide your product to a broader even a broader range of end users? I can see where it adapts really well to the high end quality skincare business, but could you also provide more to the everyday over the counter people who want to just come in for a light cream and with a sunscreen at a lower cost? Speaker 100:18:55I'll let Kevin start on that one. Speaker 200:18:57Thanks, JJ. Jim, thanks for the comments. I will say that our business even being very careful because as you know there's only so many things we can say about the brands we support. But our brands range not just with the prestige brands which typically sell north of $30 a unit, but now our brand partners are really some of the leading companies that are in that mass stage space, which is more in that $15 to $20 per unit. So that is a higher volume market space for us, in terms of unit volume. Speaker 200:19:50We definitely and I'm sure Jess would want to comment here as well, but we definitely do want to be selective so that we are really focused on delivering high quality growth, meaning that the margin on every unit as Jess mentioned earlier is better and better as we continue to grow. So that's why we do we are a bit selective and while we like a lot of top line growth, we definitely want to emphasize bottom line growth over top line growth as we go forward. Speaker 100:20:32Yes. Thanks a lot. Speaker 400:20:33Yes, Jim. Speaker 100:20:36Jim, I would say that Kevin's got it exactly right. And we the more efficient we get, the better it will be for us to cast a slightly wider net. And we're seeing a lot of we have more opportunities than we currently deliver on partly because we want to remain as profitable as we can. And it's always that balance because at some point, we want to be a $500,000,000 company. And you've got to pick and choose your customers, but you also need to have a bigger tent to have those volumes. Speaker 100:21:10So I think through next year into the following, our strategy is going to unfold some more. We're going to get some more feedback internally from how good we can get at this and what it will be to get to the next step. And I think that's going to be a critical inflection point. I think we're also happy about these results thus far because the inflection point of sustainability, decent margins and some profit has been something that's been elusive to us. But really ANX one will be okay. Speaker 100:21:44You can make a really nice margin on relatively modest revenue, which isn't modest in the world we came from, but it's becoming modest based on what we know we can do and where we go with that. Speaker 400:21:59I think that's a great picture in terms of I've thought of the company as structured toward $100,000,000 company, but you're actually providing a vision where you might see something significantly higher down the road that's really creative and exciting. I have one more follow on question. So do you have a certain amount of tax loss carry forwards that you can sort of play these nice profits against or if you have that play out? Speaker 100:22:29We're in the process of looking at that both on the state and the federal side. We have a large NOL. A good portion of that is available based on the way the rules are and when we went public and all those things. We will be able to take advantage of some of those. We also have been taking advantage at a smaller level on some of the R and D tax credits that are available. Speaker 100:22:56So I think that will help over time. The state of Illinois is a little different because they have they've put some of these they've suspended the use of some of the NOLs so that you can use them, but not right now. That's partly and they're also extending the life of them because that's partly related to the current state of the state. But we will see some benefits from that over the coming years and we do expect to mitigate some of our tax liabilities using that large NOL. Speaker 400:23:35Thank you again for this wonderful picture and vignette and congratulations. This is exciting news. Thank you. Speaker 100:23:43Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:23:46Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of Tony Rubin. Your line is open. Speaker 500:24:00Hi, good afternoon gentlemen and thank you for the nice treat as it were. Speaker 100:24:05Hi, Tony. Speaker 500:24:09So, yes, and as everyone has said, congratulations. It's nice to see what you guys have talked about for a while come together. So, just to follow-up to something that I probably asked last quarter and that is, do you have a sense as to full year 'twenty five growth and how that might even look going beyond that? I know in this call, I think for the first time, Jess shared a vision of going far beyond $100,000,000 in sales. So, and indicated you have the equipment to go beyond there even today and more on the way. Speaker 500:24:51So, what's just generally speaking, what are you guys thinking in terms of revenues for 2025 and beyond in percentage growth or net dollars, however you? Speaker 100:25:04I have a deer in the headlights look right now for those not watching the video that doesn't exist. Yes. I don't think I think over a period of time that the curve is going to flatten and we won't grow as quickly. I mean we had for 3 years there we tripled, tripled and tripled. Then it slowed down a bit. Speaker 100:25:27We had a nice uptick this year. I certainly think we're going to have growth. It will be in the double digit range for next year. I don't think it will be a double or anything like that, but I do think part of it, Kevin and I were just discussing this, we get a much better look at what's going to happen at the end of the year and the next year when we get into like mid to later summer. So it's it really is difficult to say because you've got a couple of things. Speaker 100:26:00The question that John had asked about cyclicality really speaks to the way that launches go and reorders and it's all one of those things. If you deliver the orders on time, which we are getting much better at, then the reorders come sooner, which allows you to grow and grow. And we haven't had a full year yet of knowing that we delivered everything on time and that all made it to the consumer on time and their feedback on what they wanted more of comes back in the same fiscal period. So next year should be a better year, a stronger year. I don't know if our results will be Q3 times 4, which would be a really nice year in a lot of respects, but they very well may be on the revenue side. Speaker 100:26:54We'll just have to take it quarter by quarter. And I think when we get into Q1 and our announcement, which is typically in February, March, we should have a better idea of where 25 can take us. And by the time we're getting into certainly Q3, potentially even in our Q2 discussion, we may have some indications about 2026. Speaker 500:27:23Okay. No, I appreciate that. But it sounds like all systems are a go and you should continue to accelerate. And then the other question I have is kind of a follow-up from previous quarters and there's been a repeated request by long term holders and probably any holders to have the company consider an uplifting. Now that you're making good progress on the operational heavy lifting and I'm sure there's a lot of sausage making in the background that is heavy, heavy lifting. Speaker 500:28:04Is there any comment with respect to a potential uplifting? Speaker 100:28:10Sure. I think it's something we are talking about it. And we've mentioned before, part of it is putting together a series successive series of strong quarters, which we're on the way to doing. At the Board level, we discuss it. It's been a regular item we've discussed. Speaker 100:28:32And I think strategically we continue to address it without there are certain things I can't really share, but going down that path. Long term, long term, I'd say, mid term, we certainly want to grant get more liquidity for all of you looking at the stock and the way it moves and the thinly traded nature of it. That's a direct feature to a certain extent of the exchanges we're on and we recognize that. So it is a fairly ready frequent discussion internally and I think we'll be continuing to pursue that. And as we get into 2025 and we lay another couple of quarters down, we'll definitely have more to talk about in that regard. Speaker 500:29:22All right. Well, again, congratulations and thank you and keep up the good work. Thanks, Tony. Operator00:29:34Thank you. And I see we do have a follow-up question from John Henderson with Flexions Consulting. Your line is open. Speaker 300:29:54I just wanted to kind of reiterate that I definitely feel as though like you guys with what you're doing, I think all shareholders are going to benefit tremendously. Along with the company, you're going to have greater access to less expensive capital and less dilution going forward to uplist. And it's something I think we all deserve with waiting as long as we've had to get it to this point. It's just such an amazing quarter. And as long as you guys are consistent in terms of building the profitability, this is the type of disruptive technology that it's going to get an 8 times, 10 times price of sales on the NASDAQ. Speaker 300:30:29And it's a $10 stock at $100,000,000 run rate and then some. So definitely really looking forward to next year, but we're really just going to give it keep giving you a nudge every quarter. So hopefully the Board hears that too. And congrats, it's amazing. I mean you can begin to sketch out like how this becomes a much bigger company in 3 to 4 years. Speaker 300:30:52And so yes, thanks for all your efforts. Speaker 200:30:56Thank you. Appreciate it, Chad. Operator00:31:00Thank you. And our next question coming from the line of Wayne Dren. Your line is open. Speaker 600:31:10Hey, Jeff. Can you hear me? Speaker 100:31:12Hi, Wayne. I sure can. How are you? Speaker 600:31:16Well, I'm fine. I'm pretty optimistic with the company. And then Tony LaRussa said that they'd be better next year. So now we got to win 42 games. Speaker 100:31:29Don't pick on my wife's eye. Speaker 600:31:33Anyhow, thank you for your you got grit, Jeff. You stayed right with the company. And I want to personally thank you for not running off. Thank you so much. Will the upcoming year from the production side get a little better than it was this year? Speaker 600:31:55Do you still want to do? And when you deliver on time, does that make for additional orders? And thank you again, Jeff. You really made my day yesterday. Speaker 100:32:10Well, thank you, Wayne. That's important to all of us here. I think we recognize we have some long suffering shareholders. We're happy to have good news and hopefully continued good news. Trying to take those in order or remember the issues, we are continuing to expand our manufacturing capacity and our goal is to get up into the $200,000,000 plus range. Speaker 100:32:38While we're doing that, we have added some more staff both as Kevin mentioned on the not just in supply chain, but also on the supervisory floor and with we say maintenance, they're really kind of maintenance engineers in terms of getting the equipment running, getting it up running faster and more efficiently. And we've got a series of people that have almost identical experience on the from the mechanical side of manufacturing in the business now that we really didn't have a year or 2 ago. So I think we're all expecting increased throughput and increased operational efficiency going into next year that's going to really get better as the growth happens. So those things, I think those things, I'd like to say they're a foregone conclusion, but they're certainly in our planning a foregone conclusion that we're going to see more throughput, better profitability, higher abilities to put volume through. And your other question, that's something that we refer to them as reorders frequently. Speaker 100:33:50So you have a launch and the launch date, if we hit the launch on time, launch date usually happens so that there can be reorders in that same year. And that's something that we can't quantify what we've missed in the past, but we have missed those in the past by being late or not or incomplete on the degree we could deliver. And I think that's something that is going to bear some fruit for the business in almost every respect in a positive way in 2025. And we've seen some of it in 2024. So that's an exciting feature to look forward to. Speaker 100:34:30And that's also the happier your customers are, the more they're willing to push your products. And these products, while they are technically, we believe, superior to what's out there, we are selling through market partners that have other things to sell as well. And so if you fall short when you're supposed to deliver, they'll fill the hole somewhere. Shelf space is hard to get. So we are expecting really good things out of our added capabilities in this kind of quarter and this kind of success and being able to build a little cash and have some flexibility is going to have a multiplicative effect on the business. Speaker 100:35:12Thank you again, Jeff. Thank you. Operator00:35:21Thank you. The next question from John Henderson. Your line is open. Speaker 300:35:31Guys, I promise this is it. I got to go hit my daughter's Halloween party. So, literally waiting gears for this. So, final question, two questions. Share count was around 71. Speaker 300:35:45I mean, is there still another tranche of the preferred not converted yet to common? No. No, that's all. All in right now is 71. Okay. Speaker 100:35:59Yes. We're all in. Everything is converted. Speaker 300:36:02Great. And obviously China potential tariffs, I have to ask, you guys looked ahead just in case there's do you think you're affected? And have you planned for that scenario, so we don't need to have something hit us out of the blue next year? Speaker 200:36:25Yes. I think the key issue there is how much of our supply John is really from China specifically. There are sources that are important sources to us in China, but they are not our only source. It's been one of the points this year with we've said in prior calls that we've got our best operations team ever and that includes our procurement team. And one of the things that they've been working hard on is diversifying our sources relative to key raw materials. Speaker 200:37:09So in pretty much every situation that we have a source that's from China, we have an alternative source that is not produced in China. So we do already have that built into our plan, not specifically because of the tariffs, but because we need to have that diversity of supply, because things happen relative to people's ability to ship and produce and capacity and everything else. Speaker 300:37:44Thanks so much guys. Again, congratulations. Speaker 200:37:47All right. Thank you, John. Operator00:37:51Thank you. I'm showing no further questions in the queue at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Mr. Jes Jankowski for any closing remarks. Speaker 100:38:01Thank you, Olivia. And thanks to all of our investors and stakeholders for playing such a critical part in helping us to become a sustainable business as we develop critical mass. We couldn't do it without your financial investment or your emotional investment. I also need to amplify what Kevin has said. Our team makes this company and we're grateful for all of their efforts, their willingness to work hard and take risks and their daily investment in bringing an aggressive strategy to fruition. Speaker 100:38:29By continuing to raise our expectations, by doggedly pursuing our Solesence driven growth strategy and gridding it all out, we're becoming the exciting company we'd all hoped for. This is just the beginning. Our future is bright. I hope everyone has a good rest of your day, maybe helping the kids in your life to find the neighbor that gives out the full size candy bars or better yet being the neighbor that gives out the full size candy bars and finish things today with a smile. Thanks folks. Operator00:39:00Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for your participation and you may now disconnect.Read morePowered by Key Takeaways Q3 2024 results: Total revenue of approximately $17 M and net income of $3.1 M turned an 18% year-ago loss into an 18% net margin, a ~$4.5 M swing. 9-month performance: Delivered $40 M in revenue (up 36% YoY), achieved $13.4 M gross profit (34% of sales, +9 pts) and $4.8 M net income versus a $2.3 M loss. Full-year outlook: Expect 2024 revenue to exceed $50 M (potentially mid-to-upper $50 M range) and see solid customer demand paving the way for further growth in 2025. Operational milestones: Achieved record throughput in two of three Q3 months by adopting OEE metrics, boosting uptime and labor efficiency, and surpassing 90% on-time, in-full shipments. Robust backlog: As of Sept 30, open orders totaled $34 M (up 80% YoY) with over one-third slated for Q4 delivery, underpinning a record Q4 and strong Q1 2025 revenue. AI Generated. 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There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Nanopase Technologies Corporation Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:23Today's call is being recorded. Doors' beliefs, expects, anticipates, plans, forecasts and similar expressions are intended to identify forward looking statements. Statements contained in this news release that are non historical facts are forward looking statements that are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements reflect the company's current beliefs and a number of important factors could cause actual results for future periods to differ materially from those expressed in the news release. These important factors include, without limitation, a decision of the customer to cancel purchase order or supplies agreement, demand for and acceptance of the company's personal care ingredients, advanced materials and formulated products changes in development and distribution relationships the impact of competitive products and technology's possible disruption in commercial activities occasioned by public health issues, terrorist activity and armed conflict and other risks indicated in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Operator00:01:37Interface undertakes no obligation to update or revise these forward looking statements to reflect new events or uncertainties. I will now hand the conference over to your speaker, Mr. Jeff Jankowski, President and CEO. Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 100:01:52Thank you, Olivia. Good afternoon to all of those listening live. We appreciate your flexibility in today's timing. Also, thank you to those following up later online. Kevin Curatin, our Chief Operating Officer is joining me again today on the call. Speaker 100:02:08We have some brief prepared comments then we'll be available for some Q and A afterwards. Dare I say our progress has been scary good so far in 2024. I had to say that. Looking at our quarterly financial results and talking in approximate numbers, at almost $17,000,000 in total revenue and over $3,000,000 in net income for Q3 of 2024, we continue to set new milestones. Year over year, our bottom line went from an 18% loss in Q3 of 2023 to net income of 18% or $3,100,000 in the Q3 of 2024. Speaker 100:02:44That's a $4,500,000 swing. Looking at our 9 month financial results, again talking in approximate numbers, we're at a record pace, which is not an approximation. With a total $40,000,000 in revenue, our 9 month numbers have exceeded the prior year's 9 month numbers by more than $10,000,000 or 36%. We've set a new revenue record for each quarter in 2024 and we expect to do it again in Q4. Just through ninethirty of 2024, we've exceeded total full year 2023 revenue by $2,500,000 or 7% and we have a quarter to go. Speaker 100:03:24At $13,400,000 in gross profit or 34 percent of sales, we exceeded 9 month 2023 gross profit by $6,000,000 and our gross profit percentage was up 9 points, almost 40% over that of the same period in 2023. We also booked $4,800,000 in net income for the 9 months of 2024 versus a $2,300,000 loss for the same period in 2023, more than a $7,000,000 improvement. Looking forward, in the Solesence era, our Q4 revenue has typically been lower as a percentage of total revenue than Q2 and Q3. There are too many variables for us to give a clear indication of full year results at this point, but we do expect 2024 revenue to exceed $50,000,000 and with upside, we may well finish in the mid to upper $50,000,000 range. We're looking at solid customer demand into 2025 and while expecting a typical dip in Q4 results, we see more growth coming as we continue to improve operational efficiencies. Speaker 100:04:30Our top focus is preparing to deliver additional volume in 2025 and to increase profitability on every unit we ship. Now I'd like to introduce Kevin Cureton, our Chief Operating Officer to share his thoughts on our progress in 2024 and our forward outlook. Kevin? Speaker 200:04:47Thanks, Jess. As always, I'd like to thank our team for continuing to demonstrate why we are considered the platinum standard in the industry. Our brand partners for their continued commitment to collaborative growth, our supplier partners for keeping their promises to us and of course, our investors for their patience and faith in our organization. Q3 represents a milestone moment for our organization. Jess has already highlighted some of those financial successes, so I'll spend a brief bit of time on operational milestones that were also achieved. Speaker 200:05:25I'm sure it's no surprise that our company in 2 of the 3 months of Q3 achieved record throughput levels. The improvement in throughput was largely driven by our adoption of OEE metrics that helped us focus our company on areas that would yield the biggest immediate improvement in performance. In Q3, that focus was on increasing uptime. While the improvement in uptime with the improvement of uptime, we also saw an improvement in labor efficiency as compared to prior quarters. While there is still far to go, with the key additions in our production management and maintenance teams and the realization of the benefits from our automation investments, we expect to consistently improve our performance in these areas. Speaker 200:06:13Our other key metrics were also strong. We continue to have excellent inventory availability allowing us for the first time this year to also achieve a significant improvement in on time in full performance, where over 90% of all planned shipments were completed within the quarter. As we noted at the beginning of this year, we believe that we can simultaneously achieve continued growth at a multiple of the industry's growth rate while improving profitability. While combining these operational improvements with improvements in materials costs, it's clear that our company is now solidly positioned to continue to accomplish that objective. We plan to continue to grind hard at proving this quarter after quarter and are in fact we are focused on having our EBITDA performance rival some of the best in class companies in the market regardless of industry. Speaker 200:07:14In closing, I'd like to mention 2 additional items, our book of business and our people. It's great to be able to confidently state that we have a strong book of business similar in scope to what we had when we closed Q2. We are poised for excellent top line growth in Q4 as this of this year versus the same period in 2023 and are already having volumes in 2025 that will look to be record levels. Turning to our teams, as I noted last quarter, this success is underpinned by the fabulous teams we have throughout the company. We know that while our world class technology and know how is how we got this journey started. Speaker 200:08:06It's our people that ultimately make the difference and will be the reason that we continue to outperform our market in terms of growth and profitability. We continue to raise our expectations and are excited about what the future holds. Speaker 100:08:22Back to you, Jeff. Thanks, Kevin. To expand on the book of business point, for purposes of comparison, our shift and open orders at ninethirty of this year are $34,000,000 That's about 80% higher than the same number for 2023. We expect more than a third of that in Q4. This is how we'll deliver record Q4 revenue this year followed by record Q1 revenue expected in 2025. Speaker 100:08:52In terms of our commercial model, a good way to summarize our business is that with our active pharmaceutical ingredients or APIs, we're offering the market a way to achieve UVA, UVB and other environmental protection in what we believe is the safest manner possible. While this was always a priority in our business, the advent of Solesence has helped us to bring our finished minerals based solutions to entire new markets. Not only will we enhance your life by helping to protect your skin with minerals in the way most dermatologists believe is safest and most effective, but will also help you to look great while doing it. As you can see, we continue to see consumers of prestige cosmetics demand more of our market partners' Solesence enabled products. These are large and deep markets for us. Speaker 100:09:41We expect the growth to continue. Consumers realize that safe skin protection is a critical part of overall health as is feeling good about the way you look. That's what we're all about. While we know that most of our investors listen to the webcast or review the transcript after this call, we're happy to invite those of you participating live on today's call to ask any questions you may have or share a comment or 2. Afterward, I'll offer a few closing comments. Speaker 100:10:09Olivia, would you please begin the Q and A session? Operator00:10:36First question coming from the line of John Henderson with Inflection Consulting. Your line is open. Speaker 300:10:43Hey, guys. Congratulations, Wow. We've been I think I can speak for everyone, we've been waiting years for this incredible inflection point. Congratulations, comes immediately to mind and well done. Thank you. Speaker 300:11:00So just one or two quick comments regarding the expectations for next year. So you guys already have booked significant orders for 2025 and relative to last year up 80%. Like when did the majority of the orders really kind of j curve for you guys each year? Is it during the spring summer obviously with the seasonal aspect? Or is this going to be a business where the seasonality just gets less and less because the brands are just selling so well, potentially even around the world? Speaker 200:11:42Thanks for the question. And, yes, I would say, first of all, our business, as Jess alluded to, is really non seasonal. At least in terms of the use of the product, a lot of the products that we sell, in fact the majority of the products that we sell are really skincare or color cosmetics with SPF, not just SPF. And so that gives it a lot less seasonality. There are, however, times when retailers really still like to bring these types of products into their in the brick and mortar environment and those tend to be in late Q1, early Q2. Speaker 200:12:29So new launches, so to speak, typically happen there and so you usually have a little bit of a surge there. Usually we anticipate that and it hasn't been true in the last few years in part because of some of our operational difficulties, but you'd expect sort of the Q1 to early Q2 to be the big lift. And then if you've got good market success, 3rd quarter is really usually a strong quarter because that's sort of your reorder times. With our business because we're growing a lot, we still see a lot of Q4 orders. Although as Jeff mentioned, those haven't been as big as say, some of our launch period. Speaker 200:13:22Though again, that's changing as well as we also see some, for lack of a better way of putting it, globalization where we have EU where our U. S. Customers are shipping ex U. S. Outside of the U. Speaker 200:13:37S. For the products that we make for them. So a lot of information there, but that's usually the timeframes that we would see and the rhythm that we would see in our business. Speaker 300:13:49And guys, I mean, honestly, I almost fell off my chair when I saw $0.04 in earnings. I mean, I didn't think we'd see that till like low 20s. So that is just so impressive and obviously with all the shares that have been issued. But I think to kind of actually hear that you guys are confident you can continue to improve efficiencies. So is it too crazy to start talking about potential 40% gross margins coming, Jeff? Speaker 300:14:19I know you don't want to stick your neck out, but I mean the momentum you have on operationally, I mean how consistent can it be? And like is 40% at least for a couple of quarters next year viable? Speaker 100:14:34I think it's possible. Ultimately, the way we're growing and the ups and downs are what drives some of that. If you do $12,000,000 at $1,000,000 a month and it's relatively flat production, it's a lot easier to benefit from all the gains you make. That would be a small number for us at this point. But in terms of just the regularity of production, so our first goal internally has been to try to keep production as close to flat as we can and still satisfy our customers. Speaker 100:15:09So if we have a dip, a low revenue month maybe, we're still producing at the same rate so that we're as efficient as possible. And that's where the hedging comes on what our margins can or can't be. We actually had a higher gross margin in Q3 of last year based on a combination of product mix. And when where their production was relative to the shipment. So I definitely think it's possible. Speaker 100:15:41I think it's likely that we have months in there that are 40% or above. And the question about stringing them together in a quarter and then multiple quarters really has a lot of them together in a quarter and then multiple quarters really has a lot to do with the trajectory of the business. If it's a steady if it happened to be a steady growing year where every month we just do a little bit more and a little bit more and it goes it's very possible. If it's up and down, it gets harder. But I don't think it's unrealistic to look at today's margins and say that they're achievable into the future notwithstanding quarterly dips and that we do expect to be improving on them. Speaker 300:16:20Final question, I'll get to the queue. You guys are you in place already to get to $100,000,000 in capacity? Or do you need to add more lines and you're going to be doing that over the course of 20 25 to get to hopefully those levels maybe as early as 20 26? Speaker 100:16:37We're in place to do that now. We are adding more capacity to be in place to do more than that, a multiple of that potentially. And it's whether we do it, when we do it has to do more with the growth of the business, the marketing and the customer uptake, but we're capable of doing it now. And I think what we'll see over time is that we'll have more we'll have redundancies that roll back and forth between types of production because all of these folks all these customers want different packaging. We refer to these things as components whether it's in a bottle or a towel or a tube or a jar. Speaker 100:17:20And what we don't have is universal excess capacity in each type of component and that has a lot to do with not knowing yet where that demand is going to be. So I think we're always going to have a higher capacity number than we're delivering because of that. And that's something to try to manage over time and understand the better we understand it, the better we'll do at it. But we definitely have that capacity now. Speaker 300:17:48Great job guys. I'm going to cede the floor. Thanks. Speaker 100:17:51Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:17:53Thank you. Our next question coming from the line of Jim Lieberman with American Trust Investment Services. Your line is open. Speaker 400:18:04Thank you. These are great numbers. Congratulations all around. I know it's been quite a struggle getting there. As one might expect, the business is uneven and a little bit lumpy, but it sounds like it's gaining momentum and getting a little bit stream of business, which is easier to play around. Speaker 400:18:21Again, congratulations. Do you think not knowing fully how you play out and how you structure your products, can you provide your product to a broader even a broader range of end users? I can see where it adapts really well to the high end quality skincare business, but could you also provide more to the everyday over the counter people who want to just come in for a light cream and with a sunscreen at a lower cost? Speaker 100:18:55I'll let Kevin start on that one. Speaker 200:18:57Thanks, JJ. Jim, thanks for the comments. I will say that our business even being very careful because as you know there's only so many things we can say about the brands we support. But our brands range not just with the prestige brands which typically sell north of $30 a unit, but now our brand partners are really some of the leading companies that are in that mass stage space, which is more in that $15 to $20 per unit. So that is a higher volume market space for us, in terms of unit volume. Speaker 200:19:50We definitely and I'm sure Jess would want to comment here as well, but we definitely do want to be selective so that we are really focused on delivering high quality growth, meaning that the margin on every unit as Jess mentioned earlier is better and better as we continue to grow. So that's why we do we are a bit selective and while we like a lot of top line growth, we definitely want to emphasize bottom line growth over top line growth as we go forward. Speaker 100:20:32Yes. Thanks a lot. Speaker 400:20:33Yes, Jim. Speaker 100:20:36Jim, I would say that Kevin's got it exactly right. And we the more efficient we get, the better it will be for us to cast a slightly wider net. And we're seeing a lot of we have more opportunities than we currently deliver on partly because we want to remain as profitable as we can. And it's always that balance because at some point, we want to be a $500,000,000 company. And you've got to pick and choose your customers, but you also need to have a bigger tent to have those volumes. Speaker 100:21:10So I think through next year into the following, our strategy is going to unfold some more. We're going to get some more feedback internally from how good we can get at this and what it will be to get to the next step. And I think that's going to be a critical inflection point. I think we're also happy about these results thus far because the inflection point of sustainability, decent margins and some profit has been something that's been elusive to us. But really ANX one will be okay. Speaker 100:21:44You can make a really nice margin on relatively modest revenue, which isn't modest in the world we came from, but it's becoming modest based on what we know we can do and where we go with that. Speaker 400:21:59I think that's a great picture in terms of I've thought of the company as structured toward $100,000,000 company, but you're actually providing a vision where you might see something significantly higher down the road that's really creative and exciting. I have one more follow on question. So do you have a certain amount of tax loss carry forwards that you can sort of play these nice profits against or if you have that play out? Speaker 100:22:29We're in the process of looking at that both on the state and the federal side. We have a large NOL. A good portion of that is available based on the way the rules are and when we went public and all those things. We will be able to take advantage of some of those. We also have been taking advantage at a smaller level on some of the R and D tax credits that are available. Speaker 100:22:56So I think that will help over time. The state of Illinois is a little different because they have they've put some of these they've suspended the use of some of the NOLs so that you can use them, but not right now. That's partly and they're also extending the life of them because that's partly related to the current state of the state. But we will see some benefits from that over the coming years and we do expect to mitigate some of our tax liabilities using that large NOL. Speaker 400:23:35Thank you again for this wonderful picture and vignette and congratulations. This is exciting news. Thank you. Speaker 100:23:43Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:23:46Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of Tony Rubin. Your line is open. Speaker 500:24:00Hi, good afternoon gentlemen and thank you for the nice treat as it were. Speaker 100:24:05Hi, Tony. Speaker 500:24:09So, yes, and as everyone has said, congratulations. It's nice to see what you guys have talked about for a while come together. So, just to follow-up to something that I probably asked last quarter and that is, do you have a sense as to full year 'twenty five growth and how that might even look going beyond that? I know in this call, I think for the first time, Jess shared a vision of going far beyond $100,000,000 in sales. So, and indicated you have the equipment to go beyond there even today and more on the way. Speaker 500:24:51So, what's just generally speaking, what are you guys thinking in terms of revenues for 2025 and beyond in percentage growth or net dollars, however you? Speaker 100:25:04I have a deer in the headlights look right now for those not watching the video that doesn't exist. Yes. I don't think I think over a period of time that the curve is going to flatten and we won't grow as quickly. I mean we had for 3 years there we tripled, tripled and tripled. Then it slowed down a bit. Speaker 100:25:27We had a nice uptick this year. I certainly think we're going to have growth. It will be in the double digit range for next year. I don't think it will be a double or anything like that, but I do think part of it, Kevin and I were just discussing this, we get a much better look at what's going to happen at the end of the year and the next year when we get into like mid to later summer. So it's it really is difficult to say because you've got a couple of things. Speaker 100:26:00The question that John had asked about cyclicality really speaks to the way that launches go and reorders and it's all one of those things. If you deliver the orders on time, which we are getting much better at, then the reorders come sooner, which allows you to grow and grow. And we haven't had a full year yet of knowing that we delivered everything on time and that all made it to the consumer on time and their feedback on what they wanted more of comes back in the same fiscal period. So next year should be a better year, a stronger year. I don't know if our results will be Q3 times 4, which would be a really nice year in a lot of respects, but they very well may be on the revenue side. Speaker 100:26:54We'll just have to take it quarter by quarter. And I think when we get into Q1 and our announcement, which is typically in February, March, we should have a better idea of where 25 can take us. And by the time we're getting into certainly Q3, potentially even in our Q2 discussion, we may have some indications about 2026. Speaker 500:27:23Okay. No, I appreciate that. But it sounds like all systems are a go and you should continue to accelerate. And then the other question I have is kind of a follow-up from previous quarters and there's been a repeated request by long term holders and probably any holders to have the company consider an uplifting. Now that you're making good progress on the operational heavy lifting and I'm sure there's a lot of sausage making in the background that is heavy, heavy lifting. Speaker 500:28:04Is there any comment with respect to a potential uplifting? Speaker 100:28:10Sure. I think it's something we are talking about it. And we've mentioned before, part of it is putting together a series successive series of strong quarters, which we're on the way to doing. At the Board level, we discuss it. It's been a regular item we've discussed. Speaker 100:28:32And I think strategically we continue to address it without there are certain things I can't really share, but going down that path. Long term, long term, I'd say, mid term, we certainly want to grant get more liquidity for all of you looking at the stock and the way it moves and the thinly traded nature of it. That's a direct feature to a certain extent of the exchanges we're on and we recognize that. So it is a fairly ready frequent discussion internally and I think we'll be continuing to pursue that. And as we get into 2025 and we lay another couple of quarters down, we'll definitely have more to talk about in that regard. Speaker 500:29:22All right. Well, again, congratulations and thank you and keep up the good work. Thanks, Tony. Operator00:29:34Thank you. And I see we do have a follow-up question from John Henderson with Flexions Consulting. Your line is open. Speaker 300:29:54I just wanted to kind of reiterate that I definitely feel as though like you guys with what you're doing, I think all shareholders are going to benefit tremendously. Along with the company, you're going to have greater access to less expensive capital and less dilution going forward to uplist. And it's something I think we all deserve with waiting as long as we've had to get it to this point. It's just such an amazing quarter. And as long as you guys are consistent in terms of building the profitability, this is the type of disruptive technology that it's going to get an 8 times, 10 times price of sales on the NASDAQ. Speaker 300:30:29And it's a $10 stock at $100,000,000 run rate and then some. So definitely really looking forward to next year, but we're really just going to give it keep giving you a nudge every quarter. So hopefully the Board hears that too. And congrats, it's amazing. I mean you can begin to sketch out like how this becomes a much bigger company in 3 to 4 years. Speaker 300:30:52And so yes, thanks for all your efforts. Speaker 200:30:56Thank you. Appreciate it, Chad. Operator00:31:00Thank you. And our next question coming from the line of Wayne Dren. Your line is open. Speaker 600:31:10Hey, Jeff. Can you hear me? Speaker 100:31:12Hi, Wayne. I sure can. How are you? Speaker 600:31:16Well, I'm fine. I'm pretty optimistic with the company. And then Tony LaRussa said that they'd be better next year. So now we got to win 42 games. Speaker 100:31:29Don't pick on my wife's eye. Speaker 600:31:33Anyhow, thank you for your you got grit, Jeff. You stayed right with the company. And I want to personally thank you for not running off. Thank you so much. Will the upcoming year from the production side get a little better than it was this year? Speaker 600:31:55Do you still want to do? And when you deliver on time, does that make for additional orders? And thank you again, Jeff. You really made my day yesterday. Speaker 100:32:10Well, thank you, Wayne. That's important to all of us here. I think we recognize we have some long suffering shareholders. We're happy to have good news and hopefully continued good news. Trying to take those in order or remember the issues, we are continuing to expand our manufacturing capacity and our goal is to get up into the $200,000,000 plus range. Speaker 100:32:38While we're doing that, we have added some more staff both as Kevin mentioned on the not just in supply chain, but also on the supervisory floor and with we say maintenance, they're really kind of maintenance engineers in terms of getting the equipment running, getting it up running faster and more efficiently. And we've got a series of people that have almost identical experience on the from the mechanical side of manufacturing in the business now that we really didn't have a year or 2 ago. So I think we're all expecting increased throughput and increased operational efficiency going into next year that's going to really get better as the growth happens. So those things, I think those things, I'd like to say they're a foregone conclusion, but they're certainly in our planning a foregone conclusion that we're going to see more throughput, better profitability, higher abilities to put volume through. And your other question, that's something that we refer to them as reorders frequently. Speaker 100:33:50So you have a launch and the launch date, if we hit the launch on time, launch date usually happens so that there can be reorders in that same year. And that's something that we can't quantify what we've missed in the past, but we have missed those in the past by being late or not or incomplete on the degree we could deliver. And I think that's something that is going to bear some fruit for the business in almost every respect in a positive way in 2025. And we've seen some of it in 2024. So that's an exciting feature to look forward to. Speaker 100:34:30And that's also the happier your customers are, the more they're willing to push your products. And these products, while they are technically, we believe, superior to what's out there, we are selling through market partners that have other things to sell as well. And so if you fall short when you're supposed to deliver, they'll fill the hole somewhere. Shelf space is hard to get. So we are expecting really good things out of our added capabilities in this kind of quarter and this kind of success and being able to build a little cash and have some flexibility is going to have a multiplicative effect on the business. Speaker 100:35:12Thank you again, Jeff. Thank you. Operator00:35:21Thank you. The next question from John Henderson. Your line is open. Speaker 300:35:31Guys, I promise this is it. I got to go hit my daughter's Halloween party. So, literally waiting gears for this. So, final question, two questions. Share count was around 71. Speaker 300:35:45I mean, is there still another tranche of the preferred not converted yet to common? No. No, that's all. All in right now is 71. Okay. Speaker 100:35:59Yes. We're all in. Everything is converted. Speaker 300:36:02Great. And obviously China potential tariffs, I have to ask, you guys looked ahead just in case there's do you think you're affected? And have you planned for that scenario, so we don't need to have something hit us out of the blue next year? Speaker 200:36:25Yes. I think the key issue there is how much of our supply John is really from China specifically. There are sources that are important sources to us in China, but they are not our only source. It's been one of the points this year with we've said in prior calls that we've got our best operations team ever and that includes our procurement team. And one of the things that they've been working hard on is diversifying our sources relative to key raw materials. Speaker 200:37:09So in pretty much every situation that we have a source that's from China, we have an alternative source that is not produced in China. So we do already have that built into our plan, not specifically because of the tariffs, but because we need to have that diversity of supply, because things happen relative to people's ability to ship and produce and capacity and everything else. Speaker 300:37:44Thanks so much guys. Again, congratulations. Speaker 200:37:47All right. Thank you, John. Operator00:37:51Thank you. I'm showing no further questions in the queue at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Mr. Jes Jankowski for any closing remarks. Speaker 100:38:01Thank you, Olivia. And thanks to all of our investors and stakeholders for playing such a critical part in helping us to become a sustainable business as we develop critical mass. We couldn't do it without your financial investment or your emotional investment. I also need to amplify what Kevin has said. Our team makes this company and we're grateful for all of their efforts, their willingness to work hard and take risks and their daily investment in bringing an aggressive strategy to fruition. Speaker 100:38:29By continuing to raise our expectations, by doggedly pursuing our Solesence driven growth strategy and gridding it all out, we're becoming the exciting company we'd all hoped for. This is just the beginning. Our future is bright. I hope everyone has a good rest of your day, maybe helping the kids in your life to find the neighbor that gives out the full size candy bars or better yet being the neighbor that gives out the full size candy bars and finish things today with a smile. Thanks folks. Operator00:39:00Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for your participation and you may now disconnect.Read morePowered by