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ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast California Water Service Group EPS ResultsActual EPS$1.03Consensus EPS $1.05Beat/MissMissed by -$0.02One Year Ago EPS$0.60California Water Service Group Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$299.60 millionExpected Revenue$289.55 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$10.05 millionYoY Revenue Growth+17.50%California Water Service Group Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2024Date10/31/2024TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateThursday, October 31, 2024Conference Call Time11:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsCalifornia Water Service Group's Q3 2025 earnings is scheduled for Thursday, October 30, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 11:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by California Water Service Group Q3 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrOctober 31, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Q3 operating revenue rose 17.5% to $299.6 million and net income increased to $60.7 million ($1.03 per diluted share), driven by new approved rates and higher customer usage. The CPUC approved advice letters to recover $94.2 million in regulatory balances through 2027, and the 2024 general rate case is on track with an assigned administrative law judge and commissioner. Cal Water invested a record $332.2 million in capital through nine months (86% of its 2024 budget), projecting rate base growth to $2.36 billion (up 7.3% year-over-year) and a potential 11.7% CAGR if new investments are approved. Beginning in Q4 2024, the company faces an incremental $226 million of PFAS mitigation projects not included in its current capital budget, increasing future expenditure commitments. The company received the EPA WaterSense Excellence Award for the second consecutive year and was named one of Newsweek’s Most Trustworthy Companies, highlighting its conservation efforts and corporate reputation. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallCalifornia Water Service Group Q3 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xThere are 5 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Thank you for standing by. My name is Kathleen, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the California Water Service Group Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:38Thank you. And now, I would like to turn the call over to Jim Lynch, Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 100:00:48Thank you, Kathleen. Welcome, everyone, to our Q3 2024 results call for California Water Service Group. With me today is Marty Kropelnicki, our Chairman and CEO and Greg Milliman, Vice President of Rates and Regulatory Affairs. Replay dial in information for this call can be found in our quarterly results earnings release, which was issued earlier today. The replay will be available until December 30, 2024. Speaker 100:01:16As a reminder, before we begin, the company has a slide deck to accompany today's earnings call. The slide deck was furnished with an 8 ks and is also available at the company's website at www.calwatergroup.com. Before looking at Q3 2024 results, I'd like to take a few moments to address forward looking statements. During the course of the call, the company may make certain forward looking statements. Because these statements deal with future events, they are subject to various risks and uncertainties and actual results could differ materially from the company's current expectations. Speaker 100:01:57As a result, the company strongly advises all current shareholders as well as interested parties to carefully read and understand the company's disclosures on risks and uncertainties found in our Form 10 ks, Form 10 Qs, press releases and other reports filed from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission. And now, I'll turn the call over to Marty. Speaker 200:02:22Thanks, Jim. Good morning, everyone, and happy Halloween. We're happy you can join us here today. We're very pleased to share with you our results for the Q3 of 2024. There's really 5 main topics that we want to cover today. Speaker 200:02:35The first one being our strong Q3 financial performance that continues to benefit from the regulatory release in the state of California. We want to give an update on the 2024 general rate case where during the quarter we had our initial pre conference hearing and we've been assigned an administrative law judge and a commissioner to oversee our case. We received approval of certain advice letters from the California Public Utilities Commission that's going to allow us to collect $94,200,000 in certain regulatory balances through 2027. We want to talk about the record amount of capital that we've invested this year and what that looks like going into year end. And then lastly, take a moment to talk about our continued environmental leadership and corporate recognition and talk about a few awards that we won during the quarter. Speaker 200:03:21But to start things off, let's do like we typically do and have Jim Lynch take you through some of the financial analysis that highlights the quarterly results. Jim, back to you. Thanks, Marty. So as Marty mentioned, Speaker 100:03:32our Q3 2024 financial results continue to benefit from new rates and the rate structure authorized in our 2021 California GRC. As a result, our operating revenue for the quarter increased 17.5% to $299,600,000 compared to our prior year Q3 operating revenue of $255,000,000 Net income for the quarter was $60,700,000 or $1.03 per diluted share compared to $34,400,000 or $0.60 per diluted share in Q3 of 2023. The $44,600,000 increase in Q3 2024 revenue was driven primarily by a $42,200,000 increase in rates billed to customers as authorized in our regulatory filings and an increase in customer usage, including usage by new customers of $9,600,000 These increases were offset by a $9,400,000 reduction in our Monterey Water Rates Adjustment Mechanism or our MRAM. Recall that the MRAM is a rate adjustment mechanism that includes a tiered rate structure tied to usage. In periods of warm dry weather when usage increases, the MRAM typically decreases. Speaker 100:04:57The balance typically increases in cooler wet weather when usage declines. Q3 2024 operating expenses were $232,800,000 compared to Q3 2023 operating expenses of $211,500,000 The $21,000,000 increase was primarily driven by $2,700,000 in higher water production costs due to an increase in wholesale rates and higher customer usage, a $3,200,000 increase in depreciation and amortization due to new assets placed in service and $11,500,000 in higher income taxes related to higher pre tax earnings. In addition, net other income increased $3,800,000 during the Q3, primarily due to an increase in unrealized gains on non qualified benefit plan investments of $5,000,000 The impact of the Q3 2024 activity on diluted earnings per share is presented on Slide 6. The more significant growth drivers were rate and usage increases of $0.56 $0.13 per diluted share respectively. In addition, gains on non qualified benefit plan investments contributed $0.09 per diluted share. Speaker 100:06:18These drivers were partially offset by the change in MRAM balance of $0.12 per diluted share and increases in water production expenses and depreciation and amortization expenses of $0.04 per diluted share respectively. Year to date 2024 results benefited from the same regulatory mechanisms as the quarterly results. Year to date operating revenue increased $234,500,000 to $814,600,000 in 2024 compared to $580,000,000 year to date in 2023. Year to date 2024 net income was $171,100,000 or $2.93 per diluted share compared to year to date net income in 2023 of $21,000,000 or $0.38 per diluted share. The growth in revenue was primarily driven by cumulative rate increases including 2024 Irma of $95,000,000 20 23 interim rate relief from the 2021 GRC of $87,500,000 and the recognition of deferred RAM revenue of $15,600,000 In addition, the change in our 2024 MRAM balance added $12,400,000 and increased usage contributed $8,800,000 Year to date, 2024 operating expenses were $621,800,000 compared to year to date 2023 operating expenses Speaker 200:08:02of $538,200,000 The $83,600,000 Speaker 100:08:05increase was primarily driven by an increase in water production cost of $15,400,000 due to increases in wholesale water rates and higher usage. Water production cost increased an additional $3,300,000 due to the incremental cost balancing account or ICVA that was authorized in the 2021 GRC. We also recognized $13,100,000 in deferred costs associated with the recognition of deferred RAM revenue and higher depreciation and amortization expense of $9,300,000 Also year to date income tax increased $41,100,000 primarily due to higher pre tax earnings. The impact of year to date 2024 activity on diluted earnings per share is presented on Slide 8. The more significant earnings drivers include cumulative rate increases, to 2023 interim rate relief and recognized deferred RAM revenue of $1.29 $1.19 $0.21 diluted earnings per share respectively. Speaker 100:09:18The change in our 2024 MRAM balance and increased usage added another $0.17 $0.12 diluted earnings per share respectively. These increases were partially offset by higher water production expenses and the recognition of RAM related deferred water expenses of $0.25 and $0.18 diluted earnings per share respectively and higher depreciation and amortization of $0.13 diluted earnings per share. As a reminder, our 2021 GRC was adopted in Q1 of 2024 and included 2023 interim rate relief totaling $64,000,000 $15,200,000 of the interim rate relief was attributed to Q3 2023 and $50,400,000 would have been attributable to the 2023 9 month period year to date. Turning to our capital, we continue to make significant investments in our water infrastructure to help ensure the delivery of safe and reliable water service. Company capital investments during the 9 month period ended September 30, 2024 totaled $332,200,000 which is 86% of our $385,000,000 2024 capital budget. Speaker 100:10:41As a reminder, our planned 2024 capital investments and our estimated capital investments for the period from 2025 through 2027 do not include $226,000,000 of estimated PFOS projects that will be constructed over multiple years beginning in the Q4 of 2024. Greg will discuss planned 20252027 increases applied for in the 2024 GRC and Infrastructure Improvement Plan later on in the call. The positive impact of our capital investment program is having on regulated rate base is presented on Slide number 10. Our overall rate base is projected to grow to $2,360,000,000 by the end of 2024. This is an increase of 7.3% over 2023. Speaker 100:11:34If approved as requested, the 2024 California GRC and Infrastructure Improvement Plan coupled with planned capital investments in our utilities and other states would result in a compounded annual rate base growth of 11.7%. Moving to Slide 11, we continue to maintain a strong balance sheet with a capital structure of 61% equity and 39% debt. During the quarter, the CPUC issued a final decision granting Cal Water authority to issue up to $1,300,000,000 in new debt and equity securities to finance water system infrastructure investments from 2023 to 2027. We raised approximately $34,500,000 during the quarter from the sale of 639,000 shares of common stock under our at the market or our ATM stock equity program. Year to date, we've raised approximately $86,500,000 from the sales of 1.6 1,390,000 shares under the ATM program. Speaker 100:12:46We have approximately $43,100,000 remaining under the program that can be raised for general corporate purposes in the future, including planned capital investments and strategic opportunities. On the debt side, Cal Water completed the sale and issuance of $125,000,000 of first mortgage bonds. The bonds in a private placement that closed October 22, 2024. The bonds bear interest at a rate of 5.22% and mature on October 22, 2,054. Cal Water used the bond proceeds to refinance certain existing borrowings on its short term bank line of credit. Speaker 100:13:28And just to note, yesterday our Board of Directors declared a $0.28 per share dividend for stockholders of record on November 11, 2024. I believe that's November 12, 2024. This was our 3 19th consecutive quarterly dividend. Moving to Slide 12, we continue to maintain a strong liquidity position. As of September 30, 2024, the company had cash and cash equivalents of $105,200,000 of which $45,600,000 was classified as restricted. Speaker 100:14:03Further, we had additional short term borrowing capacity on our company and Cal Water lines of credit of $340,000,000 With that, I'll turn the call over to Greg to give an update on our 2024 general rate case and other regulatory matters. Greg? Speaker 300:14:19Thanks, Jim. On Slide 13, we discussed the 2024 general rate case. I'm pleased to report that we continue to make progress with our 2024 general rate case filing. We've completed the initial pre hearing conference and a judge and commissioner have been assigned to our case. The assigned commissioner to the case is Commissioner Baker. Speaker 300:14:42We are pleased with this assignment given his past work at the California Public Advocates to educate the CPUC on the negative customer impacts associated with rate case delays. As Jim mentioned earlier, we're proposing to invest $1,600,000,000 in our districts from 2025 to 2027, including approximately $1,300,000,000 of newly proposed capital investments to continue providing reliable high quality water service. This application includes our innovative low use water equity program designed to decouple revenue from water sales while keeping rates affordable and reinforcing conservation goals. Our proposal includes rate increases to generate an additional $140,600,000 for 2026, $74,200,000 for 2027 $83,600,000 for 2028. We are now 4 months into the standard 18 month review process with the PUC and are actively responding to data requests. Speaker 300:15:55We've completed all our district tours and are preparing for public participation hearings later in the year. With that, I'll return the call back to Marty. Speaker 200:16:04Great. Just out of curiosity, volume of data requests kind of consistent with pass rate cases? Speaker 300:16:10Yes. Consistent with pass rate cases. Okay. Great. Thank you. Speaker 200:16:13Moving ahead, I'm on Slide 14. I want to take a moment to talk about our cost of capital for 2025. As many of you know, we have in California what's called the cost of capital adjustment mechanism. Cost of capital adjustment mechanism basically tracks the utilities AA, utility bond index from October 1 to September 30, the following year. In the event there's a 100 basis point change or greater, the company can make apply for an adjustment to its ROE, both up and down. Speaker 200:16:48So I'm very happy to report that the period ended September 30, it was less than 100 basis point change and therefore it locks in our ROE for 2025 at 10.27 percent, which we think is a very good ROE. Moving on to the next slide, other regulatory mechanisms. There's a few things that happened in the quarter that I think are important. As I mentioned in my opening comments, we filed a number of advice letters for recovery that have been approved by the CPUC here in California. There's 3 primarily filings that I want to emphasize. Speaker 200:17:271 is the IRMOND, which incremental rates memo account, the 2023 MRAM balance and the 2023 incremental cost balance in account. The combination of those three things total approximately $94,200,000 that we will be collecting over the next 3 years. For 2024, we expect to collect about $11,600,000 from these balances as we move into the New Year. Going on to Slide 16, I want to take a moment to talk about our environmental leadership and corporate recognition. First of all, I continue to be very proud of the recognition we received for environmental stewardship and our workplace excellence. Speaker 200:18:13The Alliance For Water Efficiency recently published a study that highlighted the important impact of our conservation programs, which have reduced customer bills by approximately 21% over the last 15 years compared to projections with customers that did not have the same type of conservation programs. So we're very happy with the results of the survey and what we've helped our customers achieve over the last 15 years. In addition, the U. S. Environmental Protection Agency awarded California Water Service the WaterSense Excellence Award for the 2nd consecutive year. Speaker 200:18:46This recognizes the promotion of our water efficient products that we have in our conservation programs. The products that we've implemented to date will save an additional 395,000,000 gallons over the life of the devices' useful life for our customers. Additionally, during the quarter, we were named 1 of the world's most trustworthy companies by Newsweek for its 2nd consecutive year. This places us among only 5 water utilities that are recognized and honored in the energy and utility category. And then lastly, for the 9th consecutive year, we were recognized as a great place to work, reflecting our ongoing commitment to create an exceptional workplace environment and supporting our employees. Speaker 200:19:29I think as many of you have probably heard me say that, yes, we are a company of fixed assets, pipes and pumps, but our most important assets are our employees as they're the ones that make it all happen and they're the ones that interface with our customers. Lastly, I want to take a moment to mention a case that we filed during the quarter that announced the retirement of Ron Webb, who is our Vice President and Chief Human Resource Officer. Ron will be retiring on April 1, 2025. Ron has done an excellent job as our Head of HR and has been an outstanding HR colleague and friend who has made countless contributions here at Cal Water. I want to take a moment to personally thank Ron and wish him all the best as him and his wife Tina prepare for retirement and he will be dearly, dearly missed. Speaker 200:20:18I think as everyone can appreciate as a CEO, one of your closest confidence is your HR executive and Ron, it's been just a fantastic 10 years working with you and I'm going to miss working with you and wish you all the best in retirement. Having said that, we have started a national search for Ron's replacement and I hope to be in position to announce his replacement by year end or early 2025. So where does that take us for the quarter? Very happy with the results for the quarter. Our results were in line with our expectations. Speaker 200:20:50They are a little bit confusing. I think Jim did a good job laying out all the moving parts and how they fit together given the delayed 2021 general rate case. Moving forward, it's really simple. The strategy is focused on getting the capital in the ground as in the press release. And as Jim mentioned, we've invested a record amount of capital this year. Speaker 200:21:11So we're going into the Q4 very strong and doing investments in our infrastructure improvement plan. We want to stay focused on customer service and servicing our customers. And then also on the 2024 general rate case, as Greg said, so far things are moving and tracking the plan. We want to make sure we do everything we can to make sure that we conclude that rate case by the end of 2025 with new rates in effect, Oneonetwenty 6. So there's a lot going on. Speaker 200:21:40The other thing I'd just point out is, as Jim said on the rate base roadside, we've historically been about a 3 times the depreciation rate investment rate and that's bumping up in this next cycle or 2. And it's given the growth of the internal capital needs of the existing infrastructure plus the incremental 226,000,000 dollars That's not reflected in that 11.7 percent CAGR number on rate base growth that will be incremental. So overall, we have a lot of stuff happening within the company and it's really the spread is just really straightforward. We're going to stick to what we do, which is getting the capital on the ground and serving the customers. And I just one thing I'd just wrap up before I we open up the comments. Speaker 200:22:24It's just fire season this year. Surprisingly, where our service areas have been has been relatively light. We had 3 major fires this year that were close to our service areas, none of which did damage to our service areas. We had the Thompson Fire, the Park Fire and the Boreal Fire. So nothing major that affected our service territory. Speaker 200:22:44I'm very happy to report that we are getting the 1st snowfall this week in the Sierras, which is a good sign that winter is off to a start and will help bring down the last few weeks of fire season that we have here, which typically goes on until the end of November. So with that, Kathleen, we will open it up for questions, please. Operator00:23:03Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. And your first question comes from the line of Jonathan Reeder of Wells Fargo. Your line is now open. Speaker 100:23:47Hey, good morning team. How are you all today? Speaker 200:23:50Good morning, Jonathan. Good morning, Jonathan. Speaker 400:23:54Wanted to start out just to get your view on the CPUC's recent decision to hold the PD and CalAAM's rate case. I know the PD's language was pretty strongly against restoring full decoupling. Do you think there are enough commissioners that are supportive of decoupling or might we just see some of the rationale and language in that section revised? Speaker 300:24:19Jonathan, this is Greg. And the kind of feeling of the industry right now is it was a strong sign that the PD was held until almost a little over a month, maybe 2 months to the December meeting. But there is not a consensus on exactly what that could mean. That could potentially mean that they are tightening up the language around disallowing it or going the other way and putting in the language that would allow it. It's just too soon to tell. Speaker 200:24:58Okay, fair enough. Speaker 400:25:01I can't tell either. Speaker 200:25:06Jonathan, one thing I would add to that and I haven't read the full decoupling application for any of our peer companies in California. But I do know in our application, we were keenly focused on 2 things that I think are important. And I think this may be a strategy differential, for us. 1, we were very focused on conservation as we originally were when we originally decoupled, back in the early 2012, I guess, that was number 1. The other thing we focused on in our new rate design in our application was kind of underserved communities and having a rate design that helps low income customers with kind of a lifeline rate that first tier. Speaker 200:25:49So in our application, it wasn't just about conservation, it was also about low income communities and making sure there's like a lifeline rate there that reduces customers on the lower term of the economic or the lower range of the economic spectrum. And we think that's going to be really, really important. Speaker 400:26:07Yes. No, and that's where I think if it is even just softening the language in that BD, it kind of then opens the door to write some of these reimagined ways of, I guess, designing the decoupling where it really focuses on some of the goals you just mentioned, Marty. Speaker 200:26:26Right, right. And I think what's important about this community piece for the people on the lower economic scale is that's the stated goal of the commission. They've made that very public and they're very interested in it. And I give the team here a lot of credit. We took that to heart in the design of our decoupling mechanism that we filed for in our rate case. Speaker 400:26:49Okay, great. Look forward to that and see how that plays out. Also, I know the CPUC recently issued a decision lowering the energy utilities allowed ROEs by 42 basis points in 2025 by effectively reducing the magnitude of the 2024 cost of capital mechanism increase. Is there any avenue sort of the CPUC to do something similar for the waters for 2025? Speaker 200:27:17I'll go first, Greg, and you can add comment. I mean, I think that's always a possibility. Our ROEs have historically lagged the energy industry, so we're not coming off real high ROEs. In fact, I think our ROE at 10.27, is about where it was when I joined the company back in 2000 and 6 and then it went down for a number of years and recently went back up above 10% just recently. So I think that's a possibility. Speaker 200:27:44I think there's a number of factors going on in the electric industry. It's a little different than water. One, as you see, we have a growing appetite to get capital in the ground and we have to kind of step it up getting that capital in the ground just to keep up with our current demands that we have in the existing rate case, which is great for stockholders. That means we're growing rate base and potentially future earnings for customers. I think the other thing though on the electric side is in California, you have a lot of wildfire costs that are being recovered in electrical rates, which have put multiple layers of rate increases on customers. Speaker 200:28:23And I think there may be some pressure on the commission and just political pressure overall in California given some of the incremental increases that were outside the general rate case that were added to electric bills. And so I don't think we know until we get there. But I think for us, we will most likely have to file a cost of capital application in 2025. It would be great if we can defer it again, but I think that might be hard to do. And we'll do our best to defend the company's position on its ROE. Speaker 200:28:52Greg, anything you want to add on that? Speaker 300:28:54The only thing else I would add is the unlike the water companies, the energies have an option to file an application to change their cost of capital in between their scheduled time. And they did that I believe in 2022 if there's an emergency which was COVID. And so I think that might also be to why there's different treatment on the cost of capital between the 2 of us, energies as well and water. Speaker 200:29:26So obviously, Jonathan, this will be a hot topic for 2025 and we'll provide updates on our cost of capital as we go through the process of the commission in 2025. Speaker 100:29:34Yes. I think that the takeaway at least in the near term is that for 2025, we have the 10.27 percent. We in terms of as Marty mentioned, in terms of the recalculation this year at September 30, we didn't trigger any kind of movement from what we are currently experiencing in our ROE. Speaker 200:29:55No. And I think we haven't had any pushback from the commission about the $2,700,000,000, have we, Greg? Speaker 300:30:00No. We made a filing to demonstrate just what Jim said Speaker 200:30:03and haven't heard back from them. Speaker 400:30:07Okay. So good. So it sounds like a 2.7 is safe for 2025 and then yes, we'll just see if there's I mean, I guess, would you be open to an extension that maybe include some sort of adjustment to the ROE if maybe in exchange you get some sort of multi year certainty extension in whatever that new ROE would be? Speaker 200:30:36It's hard to speculate on something like that on the future. I will say, I have been a big supporter of the cost to capital adjustment mechanism, because it does float up and down and it's a two way mechanism. And again, our ROEs have lagged the electric industry and we have a growing need to increase our capital investment. So I think, obviously, we'd love to settle anything if we can because it's just a cleaner process if we can do it. But it's really hard to speculate because we don't have any facts and circumstances around it. Speaker 200:31:10And obviously, what we want to do is what's right for Cal Water, which is make sure we have an ROE that's appropriate enough that allows us to attract capital to allow us to continue our rate base growth. So I think we'll have a lot more certainty on it as we get into it, but it's really hard to speculate not being in a dialogue with the commission about it. Sure. Speaker 400:31:33And then last on kind of the cost of capital, Slide 11 kind of indicates your authorized California capital structure 60.8 percent equity. How does that reconcile with the 53.4 percent approved under the last cost of capital? There's a little confusion. Speaker 200:31:48Yes. No, that's our actual cap structure as of right now. So, Jim, you want to Speaker 100:31:55Yes. And then again, Jonathan, that's at Groove, right? So if you we are working to kind of manage that structure to mirror as close as possible our authorized amounts in other our operating utilities. I mentioned on the call subsequent to the quarter end, we did a 1st mortgage bond in which we raised $125,000,000 in debt financing. So we're starting to balance the debt and the equity. Speaker 100:32:27And really it's to get it more in line with what our authorized amount is at the operating utilities to get that more in line with what we've got at group. And we'll kind of work through the capital structure at group to take the most optimal path to get that closer in line. But first step was this $125,000,000 that we issued subsequent to quarter end. Speaker 400:32:52Okay, great. I appreciate that clarity. And then last question for me. What are the potential impacts on the CapEx budget from the EPA's recently finalized lead and copper rule? Is that a major issue for your California service area? Speaker 200:33:06It's really not. I mean, frankly, one of the nice things about being out on the West Coast is our infrastructure is newer than the East Coast. So based on what we've seen in all of our updated testing, we have one district that has hit that action level. But as we went into the testing in that district, our wells and our purchase water is fine. We think it's more associated with a couple of customers' homes. Speaker 200:33:35So I don't think it's that big of an impact for us, which frankly is nice because PFAS is the big kahuna for us the next 3 years because that's an incremental $226,000,000 we got to invest and we want to be ahead of schedule on that. So I'm not losing too much sleep on the lead and copper rule being out west. Speaker 400:33:54Okay, great. Now I appreciate the additional detail and thanks for the updates. Operator00:34:12There are no questions at this time. I will now turn the conference back over to Martin Kropelnicki, Chairman and CEO for closing remarks. Speaker 200:34:21Kathleen, thank you. Thanks for everyone for joining today. Please, if you have questions, feel free to reach out to one of us who will answer them the best that we can. Just closing, we're close to the Q3 strong. We're going into the Q4 with a lot of momentum. Speaker 200:34:36But again, the overall goal going into the Q4 is to stay focused on the core business plan of the company and executing our existing strategy. And we'll look forward to giving everyone an update the end of February when we announce our earnings results for 2024. So happy Halloween, be safe, and we'll talk to everyone soon. Thank you. Operator00:34:56Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. 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Headquartered in San Jose, California, CWT serves nearly half a million service connections across urban, suburban and rural communities. The company’s infrastructure portfolio comprises treatment plants, reservoirs, wells, pumping stations and an extensive pipeline network, all maintained to meet rigorous health, safety and environmental regulations. California Water Service Group emphasizes sustainability, water conservation and community engagement as core elements of its strategy. It invests in advanced metering infrastructure and leak detection systems to optimize resource management, and develops drought‐resilient supply projects to enhance system reliability. The company also offers customer education programs and affordability initiatives designed to support low‐income households. Guided by an experienced board and executive team, CWT focuses on long‐term asset management, regulatory compliance and operational excellence to serve the evolving needs of its service territories.Written by Jeffrey Neal JohnsonView California Water Service Group ProfileRead more More Earnings Resources from MarketBeat Earnings Tools Today's Earnings Tomorrow's Earnings Next Week's Earnings Upcoming Earnings Calls Earnings Newsletter Earnings Call Transcripts Earnings Beats & Misses Corporate Guidance Earnings Screener Earnings By Country U.S. Earnings Reports Canadian Earnings Reports U.K. Earnings Reports Latest Articles Ambarella's Earnings Prove Its Edge AI Strategy Is a WinnerWhat to Watch for From D-Wave Now That Earnings Are DoneDICKS’s Sporting Goods Stock Dropped After Earnings—Is It a Buy?NVIDIA's Earnings Show a Green Light for Taiwan Semiconductor After Earnings Miss, Walmart Is Still a Top Consumer Staples PlayRoyal Caribbean Earnings Beat Fuels Strong 2025 OutlookDLocal Stock Soars 43% After Earnings Beat and Raised Guidance Upcoming Earnings Synopsys (9/9/2025)Oracle (9/9/2025)Adobe (9/11/2025)FedEx (9/18/2025)Micron Technology (9/23/2025)AutoZone (9/23/2025)Cintas (9/24/2025)Costco Wholesale (9/25/2025)Accenture (9/25/2025)NIKE (9/30/2025) Get 30 Days of MarketBeat All Access for Free Sign up for MarketBeat All Access to gain access to MarketBeat's full suite of research tools. 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There are 5 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Thank you for standing by. My name is Kathleen, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the California Water Service Group Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:38Thank you. And now, I would like to turn the call over to Jim Lynch, Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 100:00:48Thank you, Kathleen. Welcome, everyone, to our Q3 2024 results call for California Water Service Group. With me today is Marty Kropelnicki, our Chairman and CEO and Greg Milliman, Vice President of Rates and Regulatory Affairs. Replay dial in information for this call can be found in our quarterly results earnings release, which was issued earlier today. The replay will be available until December 30, 2024. Speaker 100:01:16As a reminder, before we begin, the company has a slide deck to accompany today's earnings call. The slide deck was furnished with an 8 ks and is also available at the company's website at www.calwatergroup.com. Before looking at Q3 2024 results, I'd like to take a few moments to address forward looking statements. During the course of the call, the company may make certain forward looking statements. Because these statements deal with future events, they are subject to various risks and uncertainties and actual results could differ materially from the company's current expectations. Speaker 100:01:57As a result, the company strongly advises all current shareholders as well as interested parties to carefully read and understand the company's disclosures on risks and uncertainties found in our Form 10 ks, Form 10 Qs, press releases and other reports filed from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission. And now, I'll turn the call over to Marty. Speaker 200:02:22Thanks, Jim. Good morning, everyone, and happy Halloween. We're happy you can join us here today. We're very pleased to share with you our results for the Q3 of 2024. There's really 5 main topics that we want to cover today. Speaker 200:02:35The first one being our strong Q3 financial performance that continues to benefit from the regulatory release in the state of California. We want to give an update on the 2024 general rate case where during the quarter we had our initial pre conference hearing and we've been assigned an administrative law judge and a commissioner to oversee our case. We received approval of certain advice letters from the California Public Utilities Commission that's going to allow us to collect $94,200,000 in certain regulatory balances through 2027. We want to talk about the record amount of capital that we've invested this year and what that looks like going into year end. And then lastly, take a moment to talk about our continued environmental leadership and corporate recognition and talk about a few awards that we won during the quarter. Speaker 200:03:21But to start things off, let's do like we typically do and have Jim Lynch take you through some of the financial analysis that highlights the quarterly results. Jim, back to you. Thanks, Marty. So as Marty mentioned, Speaker 100:03:32our Q3 2024 financial results continue to benefit from new rates and the rate structure authorized in our 2021 California GRC. As a result, our operating revenue for the quarter increased 17.5% to $299,600,000 compared to our prior year Q3 operating revenue of $255,000,000 Net income for the quarter was $60,700,000 or $1.03 per diluted share compared to $34,400,000 or $0.60 per diluted share in Q3 of 2023. The $44,600,000 increase in Q3 2024 revenue was driven primarily by a $42,200,000 increase in rates billed to customers as authorized in our regulatory filings and an increase in customer usage, including usage by new customers of $9,600,000 These increases were offset by a $9,400,000 reduction in our Monterey Water Rates Adjustment Mechanism or our MRAM. Recall that the MRAM is a rate adjustment mechanism that includes a tiered rate structure tied to usage. In periods of warm dry weather when usage increases, the MRAM typically decreases. Speaker 100:04:57The balance typically increases in cooler wet weather when usage declines. Q3 2024 operating expenses were $232,800,000 compared to Q3 2023 operating expenses of $211,500,000 The $21,000,000 increase was primarily driven by $2,700,000 in higher water production costs due to an increase in wholesale rates and higher customer usage, a $3,200,000 increase in depreciation and amortization due to new assets placed in service and $11,500,000 in higher income taxes related to higher pre tax earnings. In addition, net other income increased $3,800,000 during the Q3, primarily due to an increase in unrealized gains on non qualified benefit plan investments of $5,000,000 The impact of the Q3 2024 activity on diluted earnings per share is presented on Slide 6. The more significant growth drivers were rate and usage increases of $0.56 $0.13 per diluted share respectively. In addition, gains on non qualified benefit plan investments contributed $0.09 per diluted share. Speaker 100:06:18These drivers were partially offset by the change in MRAM balance of $0.12 per diluted share and increases in water production expenses and depreciation and amortization expenses of $0.04 per diluted share respectively. Year to date 2024 results benefited from the same regulatory mechanisms as the quarterly results. Year to date operating revenue increased $234,500,000 to $814,600,000 in 2024 compared to $580,000,000 year to date in 2023. Year to date 2024 net income was $171,100,000 or $2.93 per diluted share compared to year to date net income in 2023 of $21,000,000 or $0.38 per diluted share. The growth in revenue was primarily driven by cumulative rate increases including 2024 Irma of $95,000,000 20 23 interim rate relief from the 2021 GRC of $87,500,000 and the recognition of deferred RAM revenue of $15,600,000 In addition, the change in our 2024 MRAM balance added $12,400,000 and increased usage contributed $8,800,000 Year to date, 2024 operating expenses were $621,800,000 compared to year to date 2023 operating expenses Speaker 200:08:02of $538,200,000 The $83,600,000 Speaker 100:08:05increase was primarily driven by an increase in water production cost of $15,400,000 due to increases in wholesale water rates and higher usage. Water production cost increased an additional $3,300,000 due to the incremental cost balancing account or ICVA that was authorized in the 2021 GRC. We also recognized $13,100,000 in deferred costs associated with the recognition of deferred RAM revenue and higher depreciation and amortization expense of $9,300,000 Also year to date income tax increased $41,100,000 primarily due to higher pre tax earnings. The impact of year to date 2024 activity on diluted earnings per share is presented on Slide 8. The more significant earnings drivers include cumulative rate increases, to 2023 interim rate relief and recognized deferred RAM revenue of $1.29 $1.19 $0.21 diluted earnings per share respectively. Speaker 100:09:18The change in our 2024 MRAM balance and increased usage added another $0.17 $0.12 diluted earnings per share respectively. These increases were partially offset by higher water production expenses and the recognition of RAM related deferred water expenses of $0.25 and $0.18 diluted earnings per share respectively and higher depreciation and amortization of $0.13 diluted earnings per share. As a reminder, our 2021 GRC was adopted in Q1 of 2024 and included 2023 interim rate relief totaling $64,000,000 $15,200,000 of the interim rate relief was attributed to Q3 2023 and $50,400,000 would have been attributable to the 2023 9 month period year to date. Turning to our capital, we continue to make significant investments in our water infrastructure to help ensure the delivery of safe and reliable water service. Company capital investments during the 9 month period ended September 30, 2024 totaled $332,200,000 which is 86% of our $385,000,000 2024 capital budget. Speaker 100:10:41As a reminder, our planned 2024 capital investments and our estimated capital investments for the period from 2025 through 2027 do not include $226,000,000 of estimated PFOS projects that will be constructed over multiple years beginning in the Q4 of 2024. Greg will discuss planned 20252027 increases applied for in the 2024 GRC and Infrastructure Improvement Plan later on in the call. The positive impact of our capital investment program is having on regulated rate base is presented on Slide number 10. Our overall rate base is projected to grow to $2,360,000,000 by the end of 2024. This is an increase of 7.3% over 2023. Speaker 100:11:34If approved as requested, the 2024 California GRC and Infrastructure Improvement Plan coupled with planned capital investments in our utilities and other states would result in a compounded annual rate base growth of 11.7%. Moving to Slide 11, we continue to maintain a strong balance sheet with a capital structure of 61% equity and 39% debt. During the quarter, the CPUC issued a final decision granting Cal Water authority to issue up to $1,300,000,000 in new debt and equity securities to finance water system infrastructure investments from 2023 to 2027. We raised approximately $34,500,000 during the quarter from the sale of 639,000 shares of common stock under our at the market or our ATM stock equity program. Year to date, we've raised approximately $86,500,000 from the sales of 1.6 1,390,000 shares under the ATM program. Speaker 100:12:46We have approximately $43,100,000 remaining under the program that can be raised for general corporate purposes in the future, including planned capital investments and strategic opportunities. On the debt side, Cal Water completed the sale and issuance of $125,000,000 of first mortgage bonds. The bonds in a private placement that closed October 22, 2024. The bonds bear interest at a rate of 5.22% and mature on October 22, 2,054. Cal Water used the bond proceeds to refinance certain existing borrowings on its short term bank line of credit. Speaker 100:13:28And just to note, yesterday our Board of Directors declared a $0.28 per share dividend for stockholders of record on November 11, 2024. I believe that's November 12, 2024. This was our 3 19th consecutive quarterly dividend. Moving to Slide 12, we continue to maintain a strong liquidity position. As of September 30, 2024, the company had cash and cash equivalents of $105,200,000 of which $45,600,000 was classified as restricted. Speaker 100:14:03Further, we had additional short term borrowing capacity on our company and Cal Water lines of credit of $340,000,000 With that, I'll turn the call over to Greg to give an update on our 2024 general rate case and other regulatory matters. Greg? Speaker 300:14:19Thanks, Jim. On Slide 13, we discussed the 2024 general rate case. I'm pleased to report that we continue to make progress with our 2024 general rate case filing. We've completed the initial pre hearing conference and a judge and commissioner have been assigned to our case. The assigned commissioner to the case is Commissioner Baker. Speaker 300:14:42We are pleased with this assignment given his past work at the California Public Advocates to educate the CPUC on the negative customer impacts associated with rate case delays. As Jim mentioned earlier, we're proposing to invest $1,600,000,000 in our districts from 2025 to 2027, including approximately $1,300,000,000 of newly proposed capital investments to continue providing reliable high quality water service. This application includes our innovative low use water equity program designed to decouple revenue from water sales while keeping rates affordable and reinforcing conservation goals. Our proposal includes rate increases to generate an additional $140,600,000 for 2026, $74,200,000 for 2027 $83,600,000 for 2028. We are now 4 months into the standard 18 month review process with the PUC and are actively responding to data requests. Speaker 300:15:55We've completed all our district tours and are preparing for public participation hearings later in the year. With that, I'll return the call back to Marty. Speaker 200:16:04Great. Just out of curiosity, volume of data requests kind of consistent with pass rate cases? Speaker 300:16:10Yes. Consistent with pass rate cases. Okay. Great. Thank you. Speaker 200:16:13Moving ahead, I'm on Slide 14. I want to take a moment to talk about our cost of capital for 2025. As many of you know, we have in California what's called the cost of capital adjustment mechanism. Cost of capital adjustment mechanism basically tracks the utilities AA, utility bond index from October 1 to September 30, the following year. In the event there's a 100 basis point change or greater, the company can make apply for an adjustment to its ROE, both up and down. Speaker 200:16:48So I'm very happy to report that the period ended September 30, it was less than 100 basis point change and therefore it locks in our ROE for 2025 at 10.27 percent, which we think is a very good ROE. Moving on to the next slide, other regulatory mechanisms. There's a few things that happened in the quarter that I think are important. As I mentioned in my opening comments, we filed a number of advice letters for recovery that have been approved by the CPUC here in California. There's 3 primarily filings that I want to emphasize. Speaker 200:17:271 is the IRMOND, which incremental rates memo account, the 2023 MRAM balance and the 2023 incremental cost balance in account. The combination of those three things total approximately $94,200,000 that we will be collecting over the next 3 years. For 2024, we expect to collect about $11,600,000 from these balances as we move into the New Year. Going on to Slide 16, I want to take a moment to talk about our environmental leadership and corporate recognition. First of all, I continue to be very proud of the recognition we received for environmental stewardship and our workplace excellence. Speaker 200:18:13The Alliance For Water Efficiency recently published a study that highlighted the important impact of our conservation programs, which have reduced customer bills by approximately 21% over the last 15 years compared to projections with customers that did not have the same type of conservation programs. So we're very happy with the results of the survey and what we've helped our customers achieve over the last 15 years. In addition, the U. S. Environmental Protection Agency awarded California Water Service the WaterSense Excellence Award for the 2nd consecutive year. Speaker 200:18:46This recognizes the promotion of our water efficient products that we have in our conservation programs. The products that we've implemented to date will save an additional 395,000,000 gallons over the life of the devices' useful life for our customers. Additionally, during the quarter, we were named 1 of the world's most trustworthy companies by Newsweek for its 2nd consecutive year. This places us among only 5 water utilities that are recognized and honored in the energy and utility category. And then lastly, for the 9th consecutive year, we were recognized as a great place to work, reflecting our ongoing commitment to create an exceptional workplace environment and supporting our employees. Speaker 200:19:29I think as many of you have probably heard me say that, yes, we are a company of fixed assets, pipes and pumps, but our most important assets are our employees as they're the ones that make it all happen and they're the ones that interface with our customers. Lastly, I want to take a moment to mention a case that we filed during the quarter that announced the retirement of Ron Webb, who is our Vice President and Chief Human Resource Officer. Ron will be retiring on April 1, 2025. Ron has done an excellent job as our Head of HR and has been an outstanding HR colleague and friend who has made countless contributions here at Cal Water. I want to take a moment to personally thank Ron and wish him all the best as him and his wife Tina prepare for retirement and he will be dearly, dearly missed. Speaker 200:20:18I think as everyone can appreciate as a CEO, one of your closest confidence is your HR executive and Ron, it's been just a fantastic 10 years working with you and I'm going to miss working with you and wish you all the best in retirement. Having said that, we have started a national search for Ron's replacement and I hope to be in position to announce his replacement by year end or early 2025. So where does that take us for the quarter? Very happy with the results for the quarter. Our results were in line with our expectations. Speaker 200:20:50They are a little bit confusing. I think Jim did a good job laying out all the moving parts and how they fit together given the delayed 2021 general rate case. Moving forward, it's really simple. The strategy is focused on getting the capital in the ground as in the press release. And as Jim mentioned, we've invested a record amount of capital this year. Speaker 200:21:11So we're going into the Q4 very strong and doing investments in our infrastructure improvement plan. We want to stay focused on customer service and servicing our customers. And then also on the 2024 general rate case, as Greg said, so far things are moving and tracking the plan. We want to make sure we do everything we can to make sure that we conclude that rate case by the end of 2025 with new rates in effect, Oneonetwenty 6. So there's a lot going on. Speaker 200:21:40The other thing I'd just point out is, as Jim said on the rate base roadside, we've historically been about a 3 times the depreciation rate investment rate and that's bumping up in this next cycle or 2. And it's given the growth of the internal capital needs of the existing infrastructure plus the incremental 226,000,000 dollars That's not reflected in that 11.7 percent CAGR number on rate base growth that will be incremental. So overall, we have a lot of stuff happening within the company and it's really the spread is just really straightforward. We're going to stick to what we do, which is getting the capital on the ground and serving the customers. And I just one thing I'd just wrap up before I we open up the comments. Speaker 200:22:24It's just fire season this year. Surprisingly, where our service areas have been has been relatively light. We had 3 major fires this year that were close to our service areas, none of which did damage to our service areas. We had the Thompson Fire, the Park Fire and the Boreal Fire. So nothing major that affected our service territory. Speaker 200:22:44I'm very happy to report that we are getting the 1st snowfall this week in the Sierras, which is a good sign that winter is off to a start and will help bring down the last few weeks of fire season that we have here, which typically goes on until the end of November. So with that, Kathleen, we will open it up for questions, please. Operator00:23:03Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. And your first question comes from the line of Jonathan Reeder of Wells Fargo. Your line is now open. Speaker 100:23:47Hey, good morning team. How are you all today? Speaker 200:23:50Good morning, Jonathan. Good morning, Jonathan. Speaker 400:23:54Wanted to start out just to get your view on the CPUC's recent decision to hold the PD and CalAAM's rate case. I know the PD's language was pretty strongly against restoring full decoupling. Do you think there are enough commissioners that are supportive of decoupling or might we just see some of the rationale and language in that section revised? Speaker 300:24:19Jonathan, this is Greg. And the kind of feeling of the industry right now is it was a strong sign that the PD was held until almost a little over a month, maybe 2 months to the December meeting. But there is not a consensus on exactly what that could mean. That could potentially mean that they are tightening up the language around disallowing it or going the other way and putting in the language that would allow it. It's just too soon to tell. Speaker 200:24:58Okay, fair enough. Speaker 400:25:01I can't tell either. Speaker 200:25:06Jonathan, one thing I would add to that and I haven't read the full decoupling application for any of our peer companies in California. But I do know in our application, we were keenly focused on 2 things that I think are important. And I think this may be a strategy differential, for us. 1, we were very focused on conservation as we originally were when we originally decoupled, back in the early 2012, I guess, that was number 1. The other thing we focused on in our new rate design in our application was kind of underserved communities and having a rate design that helps low income customers with kind of a lifeline rate that first tier. Speaker 200:25:49So in our application, it wasn't just about conservation, it was also about low income communities and making sure there's like a lifeline rate there that reduces customers on the lower term of the economic or the lower range of the economic spectrum. And we think that's going to be really, really important. Speaker 400:26:07Yes. No, and that's where I think if it is even just softening the language in that BD, it kind of then opens the door to write some of these reimagined ways of, I guess, designing the decoupling where it really focuses on some of the goals you just mentioned, Marty. Speaker 200:26:26Right, right. And I think what's important about this community piece for the people on the lower economic scale is that's the stated goal of the commission. They've made that very public and they're very interested in it. And I give the team here a lot of credit. We took that to heart in the design of our decoupling mechanism that we filed for in our rate case. Speaker 400:26:49Okay, great. Look forward to that and see how that plays out. Also, I know the CPUC recently issued a decision lowering the energy utilities allowed ROEs by 42 basis points in 2025 by effectively reducing the magnitude of the 2024 cost of capital mechanism increase. Is there any avenue sort of the CPUC to do something similar for the waters for 2025? Speaker 200:27:17I'll go first, Greg, and you can add comment. I mean, I think that's always a possibility. Our ROEs have historically lagged the energy industry, so we're not coming off real high ROEs. In fact, I think our ROE at 10.27, is about where it was when I joined the company back in 2000 and 6 and then it went down for a number of years and recently went back up above 10% just recently. So I think that's a possibility. Speaker 200:27:44I think there's a number of factors going on in the electric industry. It's a little different than water. One, as you see, we have a growing appetite to get capital in the ground and we have to kind of step it up getting that capital in the ground just to keep up with our current demands that we have in the existing rate case, which is great for stockholders. That means we're growing rate base and potentially future earnings for customers. I think the other thing though on the electric side is in California, you have a lot of wildfire costs that are being recovered in electrical rates, which have put multiple layers of rate increases on customers. Speaker 200:28:23And I think there may be some pressure on the commission and just political pressure overall in California given some of the incremental increases that were outside the general rate case that were added to electric bills. And so I don't think we know until we get there. But I think for us, we will most likely have to file a cost of capital application in 2025. It would be great if we can defer it again, but I think that might be hard to do. And we'll do our best to defend the company's position on its ROE. Speaker 200:28:52Greg, anything you want to add on that? Speaker 300:28:54The only thing else I would add is the unlike the water companies, the energies have an option to file an application to change their cost of capital in between their scheduled time. And they did that I believe in 2022 if there's an emergency which was COVID. And so I think that might also be to why there's different treatment on the cost of capital between the 2 of us, energies as well and water. Speaker 200:29:26So obviously, Jonathan, this will be a hot topic for 2025 and we'll provide updates on our cost of capital as we go through the process of the commission in 2025. Speaker 100:29:34Yes. I think that the takeaway at least in the near term is that for 2025, we have the 10.27 percent. We in terms of as Marty mentioned, in terms of the recalculation this year at September 30, we didn't trigger any kind of movement from what we are currently experiencing in our ROE. Speaker 200:29:55No. And I think we haven't had any pushback from the commission about the $2,700,000,000, have we, Greg? Speaker 300:30:00No. We made a filing to demonstrate just what Jim said Speaker 200:30:03and haven't heard back from them. Speaker 400:30:07Okay. So good. So it sounds like a 2.7 is safe for 2025 and then yes, we'll just see if there's I mean, I guess, would you be open to an extension that maybe include some sort of adjustment to the ROE if maybe in exchange you get some sort of multi year certainty extension in whatever that new ROE would be? Speaker 200:30:36It's hard to speculate on something like that on the future. I will say, I have been a big supporter of the cost to capital adjustment mechanism, because it does float up and down and it's a two way mechanism. And again, our ROEs have lagged the electric industry and we have a growing need to increase our capital investment. So I think, obviously, we'd love to settle anything if we can because it's just a cleaner process if we can do it. But it's really hard to speculate because we don't have any facts and circumstances around it. Speaker 200:31:10And obviously, what we want to do is what's right for Cal Water, which is make sure we have an ROE that's appropriate enough that allows us to attract capital to allow us to continue our rate base growth. So I think we'll have a lot more certainty on it as we get into it, but it's really hard to speculate not being in a dialogue with the commission about it. Sure. Speaker 400:31:33And then last on kind of the cost of capital, Slide 11 kind of indicates your authorized California capital structure 60.8 percent equity. How does that reconcile with the 53.4 percent approved under the last cost of capital? There's a little confusion. Speaker 200:31:48Yes. No, that's our actual cap structure as of right now. So, Jim, you want to Speaker 100:31:55Yes. And then again, Jonathan, that's at Groove, right? So if you we are working to kind of manage that structure to mirror as close as possible our authorized amounts in other our operating utilities. I mentioned on the call subsequent to the quarter end, we did a 1st mortgage bond in which we raised $125,000,000 in debt financing. So we're starting to balance the debt and the equity. Speaker 100:32:27And really it's to get it more in line with what our authorized amount is at the operating utilities to get that more in line with what we've got at group. And we'll kind of work through the capital structure at group to take the most optimal path to get that closer in line. But first step was this $125,000,000 that we issued subsequent to quarter end. Speaker 400:32:52Okay, great. I appreciate that clarity. And then last question for me. What are the potential impacts on the CapEx budget from the EPA's recently finalized lead and copper rule? Is that a major issue for your California service area? Speaker 200:33:06It's really not. I mean, frankly, one of the nice things about being out on the West Coast is our infrastructure is newer than the East Coast. So based on what we've seen in all of our updated testing, we have one district that has hit that action level. But as we went into the testing in that district, our wells and our purchase water is fine. We think it's more associated with a couple of customers' homes. Speaker 200:33:35So I don't think it's that big of an impact for us, which frankly is nice because PFAS is the big kahuna for us the next 3 years because that's an incremental $226,000,000 we got to invest and we want to be ahead of schedule on that. So I'm not losing too much sleep on the lead and copper rule being out west. Speaker 400:33:54Okay, great. Now I appreciate the additional detail and thanks for the updates. Operator00:34:12There are no questions at this time. I will now turn the conference back over to Martin Kropelnicki, Chairman and CEO for closing remarks. Speaker 200:34:21Kathleen, thank you. Thanks for everyone for joining today. Please, if you have questions, feel free to reach out to one of us who will answer them the best that we can. Just closing, we're close to the Q3 strong. We're going into the Q4 with a lot of momentum. Speaker 200:34:36But again, the overall goal going into the Q4 is to stay focused on the core business plan of the company and executing our existing strategy. And we'll look forward to giving everyone an update the end of February when we announce our earnings results for 2024. So happy Halloween, be safe, and we'll talk to everyone soon. Thank you. Operator00:34:56Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by