NASDAQ:DORM Dorman Products Q3 2024 Earnings Report $155.66 -3.34 (-2.10%) As of 02:18 PM Eastern This is a fair market value price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Dorman Products EPS ResultsActual EPS$1.96Consensus EPS $1.53Beat/MissBeat by +$0.43One Year Ago EPS$1.40Dorman Products Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$503.77 millionExpected Revenue$509.54 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$5.77 millionYoY Revenue Growth+3.20%Dorman Products Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2024Date10/31/2024TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateFriday, November 1, 2024Conference Call Time8:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsDorman Products' Q3 2025 earnings is scheduled for Thursday, October 30, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Friday, October 31, 2025 at 8:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Dorman Products Q3 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 1, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Consolidated net sales rose 3.2% year-over-year to $504 million, adjusted operating margin expanded 290 bps to 17.1%, driving a 40% jump in adjusted diluted EPS to $1.96. Light Duty segment net sales increased 5% to $394 million with segment profit margin up 290 bps to 19%, reflecting easing inflation, stronger new product mix and operational efficiencies. Free cash flow of $36 million funded an $11 million debt repayment and $27 million of share repurchases, and the board authorized up to $500 million in future stock buybacks through 2027. Management narrowed and raised full-year 2024 guidance to 3.5%–4.5% sales growth and expects adjusted diluted EPS of $6.85, implying a 51%–53% increase over 2023. Continued investment in complex electronics and a powertrain-agnostic strategy for ICE, hybrid and EV platforms positions Dorman for long-term growth in next-generation aftermarket solutions. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallDorman Products Q3 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xThere are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Doorman Products Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Alex Whitelap, Vice President of Investor Relations and Risk Management. Thank you, sir. Operator00:00:21Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:23Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Dorman's Q3 2024 earnings conference call. I'm joined by Kevin Olson, Dorman's Chief Executive Officer and David Hession, Dorman's Chief Financial Officer. Kevin will provide a business update, then David will review the quarterly results followed by closing remarks from Kevin. Speaker 100:00:43After that, we'll open the call for questions. By now, everyone should have access to our earnings release and earnings call presentation, which are available on the Investor Relations portion of our website at doormanproducts.com. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that our prepared remarks, earnings release and investor presentation include forward looking statements within the meaning of federal securities laws. We advise listeners to review the risk factors and cautionary statements in our most recent 10 Q, 10 ks and earnings release for important material assumptions, expectations and factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated and described in such forward looking statements. We'll also reference certain non GAAP measures. Speaker 100:01:29Reconciliations of these non GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are contained in the schedules attached to our earnings release and in the appendix to this earnings call presentation, both of which can be found in the Investor Relations section of Dorman's website. Finally, during the Q and A portion of today's call, we ask that participants limit themselves to one question with one follow-up and to rejoin the queue if they have additional questions. With that, I'll turn the call over to Kevin. Speaker 200:01:58Thanks, Alex. Good morning and thank you for joining our Q3 2024 earnings call. As Alex mentioned, I'll start with highlights of our performance in the quarter, then provide an overview of our segment results. I'll also spend some time discussing how Doorman is differentiating itself with a set of competencies in a growing suite of next generation solutions within the complex electronic space. Turning to Slide 3, if you're following along in the deck. Speaker 200:02:29Our positive momentum this year carried through the Q3 with solid top line growth and operating margin expansion leading to a significant increase in adjusted diluted EPS. Consolidated net sales increased 3.2% year over year to $504,000,000 Adjusted operating margin was 17.1%, expanding 2.90 basis points compared to the same period last year. Margins improved on easing inflationary pressures in the quarter and favorable mix from higher new product sales, along with returns from the productivity initiatives that we have been discussing throughout the year. As a result, adjusted diluted EPS increased 40% over last year's Q3 to 1.96 dollars Free cash flow was solid at $36,000,000 allowing us to repay $11,000,000 of debt and repurchase $27,000,000 of our shares during the quarter. Given our results year to date as well as our positive outlook and visibility into the Q4, we've narrowed our sales and increased our earnings guidance ranges for the year. Speaker 200:03:42David will cover guidance in a moment. Moving to Slide 4, let me provide some observations across our three segments. In our Light Duty segment, the same positive trends we've highlighted in the first half of the year continued in the third quarter. Vehicle miles traveled were again higher year over year. POS was solid, up low to mid single digits in the quarter and generally consistent with customer shipments. Speaker 200:04:10Our light duty business delivered profitability growth, which was partially due to the automation and operational efficiency efforts we discussed in our last call. Finally, we continue to diversify our supplier base and geographic exposure. This remains a key focus area for the business and the team has done a nice job reorienting the supply chain over the last few years. While our heavy duty business continued to experience market pressure during the quarter, we drove solid year over year segment profit margin improvement with cost savings and productivity initiatives. Additionally, recent market indicators are signaling stabilization in the freight industry. Speaker 200:04:53Predicting a growth inflection in that segment remains difficult, but we're seeing positive signs across our customer base. Our Specialty Vehicle segment's net sales were flat compared to last year's Q3 as market headwinds persisted. Despite these challenges, specialty vehicle increased its segment profit margin year over year. Looking forward, we anticipate seeing new machine demand increase if customer borrowing rates are reduced in connection with the forecasted Fed rate cuts. Additionally, our new product offerings, including a higher mix of non discretionary repair parts, along with enhanced dealer expansion initiatives are driving outperformance versus the overall specialty vehicle sector. Speaker 200:05:42On Slide 5, we'll spend some time describing how our capabilities with vehicle electronics are creating growth opportunities across our segments. It's no secret that the vehicles we serve have become more complex. Electronic control components increasingly integrated into what were previously simple mechanical systems. We were an early investor in this trend, releasing our 1st complex electronic part, a fuel pump driver module in 2011. Since that launch, we have continued to invest in our electronics business, including our acquisition of Flight Systems 2018. Speaker 200:06:22These investments have deepened our capabilities in highly technical and difficult to address categories. Today, we have a differentiated set of capabilities that allow us to develop innovative, complex electronic solutions that technicians rely on to repair these critical systems, which ensure continued functionality and safety for end user vehicles and often improve performance. The question we get regularly is how the proliferation of electric and hybrid vehicles will impact our business over the long term. Simply put, our diverse capabilities allow us to be truly powertrain agnostic as we see significant growth opportunities across the various propulsion technologies being deployed and developed. Our multi platform approach offers Dorman the flexibility and optionality to accelerate growth as each platform matures over time. Speaker 200:07:19Vehicles with ICE engines are expected to remain the vast majority of the North American car park well into the future. According to MEMA aftermarket suppliers projections in collaboration with Strategy and ICE vehicles are expected to make up approximately 90% of the 8 to 13 year old VIO, Norman's sweet spot through 2,035. This provides us with a long runway to continue adding to our leading portfolio of aftermarket solutions, including new complex electronics for this set of vehicles. Additionally, we expect increased fuel efficiency and safety regulations will continue to drive more OE system changes and thus provide further opportunity for innovation in the aftermarket. Hybrid vehicles have already made their way into our car park sweet spot. Speaker 200:08:10We have a solid portfolio of solutions servicing those models today. Hybrids offer Dorman a broader opportunity for category growth given their dual powertrain systems. And with customers becoming more comfortable with hybrid technology, we anticipate seeing future expansion of hybrid platforms. While electric vehicles are a smaller portion of the park today and some OEMs have recently wavered on their level of investment in EV models, we have and will continue to develop technology for new EV platforms with the same innovation strategy we've applied historically. Again, we see this driving long term value for the company as EV platforms are even more dependent on complex electronic parts. Speaker 200:09:00Electronic modules deployed to sense and control nearly every activity across the vehicle. We expect higher replacement costs and potentially higher failure rates with these new systems. Today, we have thousands of SKUs across our 3 business units to support electronic systems in ICE, hybrid and electric vehicles. Our ideation and new product development teams are constantly designing and engineering innovative components, including OEPIC solutions to support new growth opportunities and solve increasingly complex challenges in today's and tomorrow's vehicles. We expect this multi platform approach will drive long term sustainable value for our stakeholders. Speaker 200:09:45Now on Slide 6, let me provide some additional detail on our differentiated capabilities. As our electronics business grew in size and strategic importance, we recognize the need to aggregate its engineering and product development capabilities into a single standalone group. In 2023, we launched an electronic center of excellence to build the infrastructure and expertise needed to accelerate the development of next generation aftermarket solutions. This cross functional group has done an outstanding job evaluating opportunities in driving new product innovation for Doorman to expand its electronics portfolio. From a process perspective, we begin with identifying and assessing failure points throughout our vast network of technicians and specialists who are motivated to provide us with the break points they're seeing in the field. Speaker 200:10:42This is not unlike the process we undertake with our other products. As you would imagine, it requires a different and more technical expertise. Data logging and co development is where our differentiation lies. Through our specialized and proprietary processing systems, our teams run thousands of tests and trials on various electronic components to log and analyze the data, then design and write our own software code for compatibility for improvement. Finally, our software validation process is designed to ensure that the product integrates seamlessly into the vehicle's safety and functional systems. Speaker 200:11:24This advanced set of competencies highlights Doorman's leadership and the competitive advantages we built in the aftermarket space. We expect these advantages will contribute to our long term success as complex electronics are poised to outpace the growth of traditional hard parts, especially on alternative propulsion technology platforms. With that, I'll hand off to David to review our Q3 financial performance. Speaker 300:11:52Thanks, Kevin. Turning to Slide 7, consolidated net sales in the Q3 of $504,000,000 up 3% year over year. Similar to the Q2, the growth was driven by the light duty business, which was fueled by increased customer demand and sales of new products that were launched this year. While market headwinds impacting our heavy duty and specialty vehicle businesses persisted through the quarter, both businesses drove margin improvement. I'll cover each of the segments in just a moment. Speaker 300:12:25Gross margin for the quarter was 40.5%, a 300 basis point increase compared to the prior year period. This improvement was driven by inflationary pressures easing across our segments and favorable mix from higher sales of new products, bolstered by the operational efficiency initiatives we've been executing throughout the year. Adjusted SG and A expense as a percentage of net sales was flat year over year at 23.4%. Adjusted operating income was $86,000,000 for the 3rd quarter, up more than 24% compared to the same period last year. Adjusted operating margin expanded 2 90 basis points to 17.1%, largely on gross margin improvement. Speaker 300:13:14Finally, 3rd quarter adjusted diluted EPS was $1.96 up 40% compared to the prior year period. Along with increased adjusted operating income, lower interest expense, tax rate and share counts contributed to our EPS growth. Next, let me provide updates on the quarter for each of our business segments. Starting with light duty on Slide 8. Net sales for light duty were $394,000,000 in the 3rd quarter, up 5% compared to last year. Speaker 300:13:49Shipments were generally aligned with customer POS during the quarter year to date. As we've discussed throughout the year, our new products and the strength of Dormans brand continue to drive significant growth for light beauty. Segment profit margin in Q3 was 19%, up 2.90 basis points compared to the same period last year. Similar to last quarter, this margin improvement was driven by easing inflationary pressures, favorable mix driven by higher new product sales and operational excellence initiatives delivering cost savings across the business. As Kevin mentioned, both our heavy duty and specialty vehicle segments navigated continued market headwinds well during the quarter. Speaker 300:14:35Let me provide a bit more detail on the next two slides. On Slide 9, heavy duty's Q3 net sales were $60,000,000 down 5% compared to last year's Q3. However, we estimate that the broader heavy duty market was down roughly mid single digits indicating that our new product development and enhanced commercialization initiatives are yielding positive results. Despite lower sales, the team did a solid job increasing the segment's margin profile. Operating margin for heavy duty was 4.5%, up 150 basis points over last year's Q3. Speaker 300:15:16While it remains difficult predicting a significant market term, we're pleased with some of the market commentary that the freight industry is stabilizing from the recent recessionary trend. We remain focused on managing the business for long term success and capitalizing on growth opportunities as market conditions improve. Moving to Slide 10, for our Specialty Vehicle segment, net sales were flat year over year at $51,000,000 despite higher financing rates and uncertainty in consumer sentiment driving continued market headwinds. Through our new product development strategy, including the expansion of our non discretionary repair parts portfolio, coupled with our new dealer growth initiatives, we were able to offset continued softness in the sector. Additionally, the team continues to drive higher margins from cost savings initiatives. Speaker 300:16:11These resulted in segment profit margins increasing 3.50 basis points year over year to 17%. We remain positive on the outlook for this business. As interest rate pressures continue to subside and consumer sentiment stabilizes, we expect to see increased demand for our products as end user enthusiasm in the space remains robust. Turning to cash flow on Slide 11. Free cash flow was $36,000,000 in the 3rd quarter, down 23% compared to the same period in 2023. Speaker 300:16:46The decline was primarily related to an increase in our inventory balance, offsetting lower operating cash with lower capital expenditures. Our capital allocation strategy remained consistent during the quarter as we repaid $11,000,000 in debt and returned $27,000,000 to shareholders through the repurchase of approximately 274,000 shares at an average price of $98 per share. Additionally, with our existing share repurchase program expiring at the end of this year, Dorman's Board of Directors approved a new repurchase authorization of up to $500,000,000 of common stock covering 2025 through 2027. Along with organic and inorganic investments, we continue to repurchase shares opportunistically, prudently returning capital to our shareholders. Our capital allocation strategy and strong balance sheet position us well to drive long term value. Speaker 300:17:49On Slide 12, I'll cover our balance sheet and liquidity. As of September 28, our net debt was $492,000,000 or $8,000,000 lower than Q2. Our net leverage ratio was 1.36 times adjusted EBITDA, down from 1.44 times at the end of June and 1.87 times at the end of last year. Our current leverage remains comfortably below our long term target of 2 times and well below our target of less than 3 times following the 1st year of an acquisition. Additionally, our total liquidity was $582,000,000 at the end of the quarter, up from $576,000,000 at the end of Q2. Speaker 300:18:35Our balance sheet remains strong and we're pleased with the capacity and flexibility it provides us to continue executing our strategic plan and deploy capital for future growth investment. Turning to Slide 13, I'd like to discuss our updated guidance for 2024. Reflecting on our performance through the 1st 9 months and expected strong finish to the year, we are updating our 2024 guidance. For net sales, we have narrowed our expectations to an increase of 3.5% to 4.5% over 2023. As we look across the segments, we believe that light duty's momentum will continue. Speaker 300:19:17We anticipate POS and shipments will remain in line as they have thus far in 2024 and the macro environment will continue to be positive. Our heavy duty and specialty vehicle businesses remain well positioned to continue driving solid execution and down market. Based on these factors, we expect each of our 3 segments full year net sales performance to improve compared to their year to date results. Additionally, we narrowed and increased our full year earnings guidance range. We now expect adjusted diluted EPS to be in the range of $6.85 for 2024, representing a 51% to 53% increase over 2023. Speaker 300:20:03Throughout the year, we've seen strong growth in new products, including complex electronics that Kevin spoke of earlier. Our new products generally carry a higher margin profile and their higher sales drive both volumes and favorable profit mix. Additionally, our investments in operational excellence initiatives across the enterprise, including automation, productivity and global sourcing are also yielding strong results. This is a testament to our team's positive adoption of new processes and our ability to navigate dynamic, challenging market environment. So I'd like to thank our team for their hard work and dedication this year. Speaker 300:20:43With that, I'll turn it back over to Kevin to conclude. Kevin? Thanks, David. I'd like to echo your comments regarding our team. We've implemented a Speaker 200:20:52number of changes across the organization this year and our contributors have done an outstanding job, adapting and improving upon the initiatives we put in place. We're proud of our results through the year and look forward to finishing 2024 strong, delivering significant growth over last year. We remain committed to driving long term growth by investing in our people, our processes and the innovation need to design and deliver next generation solutions. With that, I would now like to open the call up for questions. Operator? Operator00:21:28Thank you. We will now begin question and answer session. Our first question comes from the line of Scott Stember with ROTH MKM. Speaker 400:21:50MKM. Maybe we could just touch first on light duty. Some of your customers have been talking about some softening even in the professional side of the business or do it for me, but you guys continue to outperform. Just trying to get a sense of how much is being driven by new products and what things look like on a same SKU basis on a year over year basis? Speaker 200:22:21Yes. Good question, Scott. Yes, I mean, if you look across kind of what's been going on in the aftermarket, there certainly seems to be a stronger growth profile in the commercial side of the business based on what our customers are saying. And DIY seems to be a bit softer from a total growth perspective. If you look at Dormin, Scott, as you know, we're more indexed toward the DIFM or commercial side of the house for non discretionary parts. Speaker 200:22:55And so we're not as tied to the DIY trends that seem to be out there in the market now. I mean, obviously, one of the major growth drivers for us has been new products and it continues to be. It's why we focus so much on innovation and new to the aftermarket solutions. That has and will continue to be the major growth profile of Lever for the company going forward. Speaker 400:23:27Got it. And then next question before I get back into the queue, talked about signs of things stabilizing in heavy duty. I'm trying to get a sense of where we can look for margins operating margin in heavy duty to go when things do finally start to hit their stride once again? Speaker 200:23:49Yes. Great question, Scott. I mean, look, we heavy duty, it seems to be that market seems to be stabilized, certainly bumping off the bottom as we see it today. As I said in the prepared remarks, it's difficult to call when that market is going to inflect. We certainly hope there seem to be some signs that 2025 you might see an inflection up. Speaker 200:24:16That business for us obviously is not as asset light as our specialty or light duty business. So it's obviously impacted more from volume decreases with the overhead that they carry from manufacturing operations. So from our perspective, we're going to continue to focus on innovation in that side of the house and productivity initiatives. So we think we're well positioned when that market does come back. In terms of the actual target, that business for us before the downturn was generating mid teen operating profit margins. Speaker 200:24:57And so we expect to be back at that level when the market does inflect. Speaker 400:25:03Got it. Thank you. Operator00:25:06Our next question comes from the line of Bret Jordan with Jefferies. Bret, your line is now open. Speaker 300:25:12Hey, good morning guys. Hey, Bret. Hey, Bret. Speaker 500:25:15Could you talk about in the Specialty segment, how much is and now in the repair space as opposed to the discretionary mix? Have you guys developed that break fix product line? Speaker 200:25:26Yes. We're actually slightly above half the business is non discretionary repair, Brett. It was less than that when we acquired the business a little bit more than 18 months ago. As we've talked previously, we are tied to new vehicle sales because there is a high attach rate to new vehicle sales. That's why the focus on nondiscretionary repair, we've made a lot of progress on that initiative and we continue to do so. Speaker 200:25:59So it's going to continue to be a focus and that kind of balance of sale will continue to increase. Speaker 500:26:07Okay, great. And then a question on complex electronics margin. You say obviously that the new product margin exceeds the average. Do complex electronics new product margins exceed the average new product margin? Is it a more profitable segment overall? Speaker 200:26:23Well, I'll just say it this way. I mean, we don't give specifics around that category in terms of margin or the size of it. But what I will say, Brett, is a lot of those parts are new to the aftermarket, okay, which means that part did not exist in the aftermarket the day before we launched it, okay? So those parts generally have a higher margin profile than a part that's been in the aftermarket or is not new to the aftermarket. It's the highest margin for us, it's the highest margin for our customers. Speaker 200:26:57So obviously, if new to the aftermarket or complex electronics is mainly new to the aftermarket, it's going to carry a higher margin profile than the balance of the business. Speaker 400:27:07Okay. Speaker 500:27:08And then one quick follow-up question, I guess, on margin impact. If we do see tariffs change, you guys have talked about some supply chain, reevaluating supply chain, but obviously, if there's going to be a big tariff increase next year, how do you see that impacting the business? Speaker 200:27:25Yes, we're obviously watching that very closely, Brett. I would say that we're much better positioned now than we were back in, say, 2018. As you referenced, our supply chain is much more diverse. I'd also say, I think we're better positioned in that we have a playbook. So we know how to handle it. Speaker 200:27:47We know what we have to do. We'll do what's right for the if tariffs do come on, we'll do what's right for our business and we'll do what's right for our customers and the ultimate end user at the end of the day. So I think that's how we're going to view it. I don't really want to go more into it at this point. We're just going to continue to watch and see what happens. Speaker 400:28:07Okay, great. Thank you. Operator00:28:11Our next question comes from the line of Justin Ages with CJS Securities. Justin, your line is now open. Speaker 600:28:18Hi, good morning. It's Pete Lucas for Justin. You covered a lot of my questions. Thanks for that. Just in terms of electric vehicle parts, what are you seeing now and kind of what is where do you see it going in the future? Speaker 600:28:33I know you touched on it in the prepared remarks in terms of the breakdown, but just where are we today and kind of where do you see it going in the short term? Speaker 200:28:44Well, I think it depends on what you mean by electronic vehicles, right, electric vehicles. I mean, how we view it is, obviously, pure plug in electric and there's hybrid. As we mentioned in the prepared remarks, I mean, the car park is going to remain heavy ice through 2,035. There will be a continued increase in the car park in the repair age that we target for pure plug in electric and hybrid. Look, we view it just like ICE. Speaker 200:29:22We have the capability to address parts on any electric vehicle out there. A lot of them are complex electronics. Hence, that's why we focus and invest so much in those categories. So as those categories do increase over time, we'll continue to increase our content. But it's going to be quite some time before there's a meaningful portion of the car park in the repair age that are pure plug and electric. Speaker 600:29:56Very helpful. Thanks. Speaker 100:29:58Got it. Operator00:30:00Our next question comes from the line of Gary Prestopino with Barrington Research. Gary, your line is now open. Speaker 700:30:07Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Speaker 300:30:10Hey, Gary. Hey, Gary. I have a Speaker 700:30:11few questions here. David, what was that $1,600,000 other income positive number in the quarter? Speaker 300:30:24On the other income and expense, Gary, that was the impact of our joint venture income. That's where that shows up. Okay. Thanks. Speaker 700:30:36And then, Kevin, maybe you could help us Speaker 300:30:39out Speaker 700:30:39here. You're citing that new products are helping to drive growth and increase the margins. But could you maybe slap some metrics around that in terms of how much what percentage of sales were coming from new products over the last 9 months or in the quarter versus where they were last year? Just so we can kind of get an idea of how that is moving to the positive for the company. Speaker 200:31:11Gary, we don't release metrics in terms of what portion of our sales dollars are tied to new products. We do release the new SKUs, as you know. SKUs in the quarter were roughly flattish to where they were a year ago. That will come out in the disclosures. But I would tell you that it was last year, it was up against a very difficult comp. Speaker 200:31:38The 2 year stack for SKUs in the quarter was actually up 70% from where it was back in the same quarter in 2022. So look, Speaker 400:31:48new Speaker 200:31:48to the aftermarket continues to be again, we're always going to have line extensions, applications that retire, new applications. But where the growth is going to be driven is new to the aftermarket. And that continues to be a strong driver of growth for us, Gary, and it's going to continue to be. But we don't specifically break out the number. I'd also say that even though the SKUs were flat in the quarter, the total new product sales dollars versus the same quarter last year were actually up. Speaker 200:32:26That's going to happen from a function of not only just units being up, but also average selling prices are up as we continue to focus on more complex parts. Speaker 700:32:38Okay. I mean, that's helpful. And then getting back to the heavy duty, you're hearing that the market is stabilizing. So is the thought process that versus what's happened in 2024 that it will be flattish in 2025 and then maybe increase in the 2026 as these new emission requirements, especially in Europe come in for 2027? Speaker 200:33:08We haven't released guidance for 2025 at this point yet, Gary. But what I will say is that we're not going to plan on a significant inflection of growth in 2025. We it's just too cloudy right now. We do hope that it's going to inflect. So our focus right now is to continue to work on new product development, which is again get that flywheel of new product into the market, which will drive growth for years to come and productivity initiatives across the business. Speaker 200:33:41So when it does inflect, we'll be well positioned to ride that wave up. Speaker 400:33:48Okay. Thank you. Got it. Operator00:33:53There's no further question at this time. That concludes today's call. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Doorman Products Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Alex Whitelap, Vice President of Investor Relations and Risk Management. Thank you, sir. Operator00:00:21Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:23Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Dorman's Q3 2024 earnings conference call. I'm joined by Kevin Olson, Dorman's Chief Executive Officer and David Hession, Dorman's Chief Financial Officer. Kevin will provide a business update, then David will review the quarterly results followed by closing remarks from Kevin. Speaker 100:00:43After that, we'll open the call for questions. By now, everyone should have access to our earnings release and earnings call presentation, which are available on the Investor Relations portion of our website at doormanproducts.com. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that our prepared remarks, earnings release and investor presentation include forward looking statements within the meaning of federal securities laws. We advise listeners to review the risk factors and cautionary statements in our most recent 10 Q, 10 ks and earnings release for important material assumptions, expectations and factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated and described in such forward looking statements. We'll also reference certain non GAAP measures. Speaker 100:01:29Reconciliations of these non GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are contained in the schedules attached to our earnings release and in the appendix to this earnings call presentation, both of which can be found in the Investor Relations section of Dorman's website. Finally, during the Q and A portion of today's call, we ask that participants limit themselves to one question with one follow-up and to rejoin the queue if they have additional questions. With that, I'll turn the call over to Kevin. Speaker 200:01:58Thanks, Alex. Good morning and thank you for joining our Q3 2024 earnings call. As Alex mentioned, I'll start with highlights of our performance in the quarter, then provide an overview of our segment results. I'll also spend some time discussing how Doorman is differentiating itself with a set of competencies in a growing suite of next generation solutions within the complex electronic space. Turning to Slide 3, if you're following along in the deck. Speaker 200:02:29Our positive momentum this year carried through the Q3 with solid top line growth and operating margin expansion leading to a significant increase in adjusted diluted EPS. Consolidated net sales increased 3.2% year over year to $504,000,000 Adjusted operating margin was 17.1%, expanding 2.90 basis points compared to the same period last year. Margins improved on easing inflationary pressures in the quarter and favorable mix from higher new product sales, along with returns from the productivity initiatives that we have been discussing throughout the year. As a result, adjusted diluted EPS increased 40% over last year's Q3 to 1.96 dollars Free cash flow was solid at $36,000,000 allowing us to repay $11,000,000 of debt and repurchase $27,000,000 of our shares during the quarter. Given our results year to date as well as our positive outlook and visibility into the Q4, we've narrowed our sales and increased our earnings guidance ranges for the year. Speaker 200:03:42David will cover guidance in a moment. Moving to Slide 4, let me provide some observations across our three segments. In our Light Duty segment, the same positive trends we've highlighted in the first half of the year continued in the third quarter. Vehicle miles traveled were again higher year over year. POS was solid, up low to mid single digits in the quarter and generally consistent with customer shipments. Speaker 200:04:10Our light duty business delivered profitability growth, which was partially due to the automation and operational efficiency efforts we discussed in our last call. Finally, we continue to diversify our supplier base and geographic exposure. This remains a key focus area for the business and the team has done a nice job reorienting the supply chain over the last few years. While our heavy duty business continued to experience market pressure during the quarter, we drove solid year over year segment profit margin improvement with cost savings and productivity initiatives. Additionally, recent market indicators are signaling stabilization in the freight industry. Speaker 200:04:53Predicting a growth inflection in that segment remains difficult, but we're seeing positive signs across our customer base. Our Specialty Vehicle segment's net sales were flat compared to last year's Q3 as market headwinds persisted. Despite these challenges, specialty vehicle increased its segment profit margin year over year. Looking forward, we anticipate seeing new machine demand increase if customer borrowing rates are reduced in connection with the forecasted Fed rate cuts. Additionally, our new product offerings, including a higher mix of non discretionary repair parts, along with enhanced dealer expansion initiatives are driving outperformance versus the overall specialty vehicle sector. Speaker 200:05:42On Slide 5, we'll spend some time describing how our capabilities with vehicle electronics are creating growth opportunities across our segments. It's no secret that the vehicles we serve have become more complex. Electronic control components increasingly integrated into what were previously simple mechanical systems. We were an early investor in this trend, releasing our 1st complex electronic part, a fuel pump driver module in 2011. Since that launch, we have continued to invest in our electronics business, including our acquisition of Flight Systems 2018. Speaker 200:06:22These investments have deepened our capabilities in highly technical and difficult to address categories. Today, we have a differentiated set of capabilities that allow us to develop innovative, complex electronic solutions that technicians rely on to repair these critical systems, which ensure continued functionality and safety for end user vehicles and often improve performance. The question we get regularly is how the proliferation of electric and hybrid vehicles will impact our business over the long term. Simply put, our diverse capabilities allow us to be truly powertrain agnostic as we see significant growth opportunities across the various propulsion technologies being deployed and developed. Our multi platform approach offers Dorman the flexibility and optionality to accelerate growth as each platform matures over time. Speaker 200:07:19Vehicles with ICE engines are expected to remain the vast majority of the North American car park well into the future. According to MEMA aftermarket suppliers projections in collaboration with Strategy and ICE vehicles are expected to make up approximately 90% of the 8 to 13 year old VIO, Norman's sweet spot through 2,035. This provides us with a long runway to continue adding to our leading portfolio of aftermarket solutions, including new complex electronics for this set of vehicles. Additionally, we expect increased fuel efficiency and safety regulations will continue to drive more OE system changes and thus provide further opportunity for innovation in the aftermarket. Hybrid vehicles have already made their way into our car park sweet spot. Speaker 200:08:10We have a solid portfolio of solutions servicing those models today. Hybrids offer Dorman a broader opportunity for category growth given their dual powertrain systems. And with customers becoming more comfortable with hybrid technology, we anticipate seeing future expansion of hybrid platforms. While electric vehicles are a smaller portion of the park today and some OEMs have recently wavered on their level of investment in EV models, we have and will continue to develop technology for new EV platforms with the same innovation strategy we've applied historically. Again, we see this driving long term value for the company as EV platforms are even more dependent on complex electronic parts. Speaker 200:09:00Electronic modules deployed to sense and control nearly every activity across the vehicle. We expect higher replacement costs and potentially higher failure rates with these new systems. Today, we have thousands of SKUs across our 3 business units to support electronic systems in ICE, hybrid and electric vehicles. Our ideation and new product development teams are constantly designing and engineering innovative components, including OEPIC solutions to support new growth opportunities and solve increasingly complex challenges in today's and tomorrow's vehicles. We expect this multi platform approach will drive long term sustainable value for our stakeholders. Speaker 200:09:45Now on Slide 6, let me provide some additional detail on our differentiated capabilities. As our electronics business grew in size and strategic importance, we recognize the need to aggregate its engineering and product development capabilities into a single standalone group. In 2023, we launched an electronic center of excellence to build the infrastructure and expertise needed to accelerate the development of next generation aftermarket solutions. This cross functional group has done an outstanding job evaluating opportunities in driving new product innovation for Doorman to expand its electronics portfolio. From a process perspective, we begin with identifying and assessing failure points throughout our vast network of technicians and specialists who are motivated to provide us with the break points they're seeing in the field. Speaker 200:10:42This is not unlike the process we undertake with our other products. As you would imagine, it requires a different and more technical expertise. Data logging and co development is where our differentiation lies. Through our specialized and proprietary processing systems, our teams run thousands of tests and trials on various electronic components to log and analyze the data, then design and write our own software code for compatibility for improvement. Finally, our software validation process is designed to ensure that the product integrates seamlessly into the vehicle's safety and functional systems. Speaker 200:11:24This advanced set of competencies highlights Doorman's leadership and the competitive advantages we built in the aftermarket space. We expect these advantages will contribute to our long term success as complex electronics are poised to outpace the growth of traditional hard parts, especially on alternative propulsion technology platforms. With that, I'll hand off to David to review our Q3 financial performance. Speaker 300:11:52Thanks, Kevin. Turning to Slide 7, consolidated net sales in the Q3 of $504,000,000 up 3% year over year. Similar to the Q2, the growth was driven by the light duty business, which was fueled by increased customer demand and sales of new products that were launched this year. While market headwinds impacting our heavy duty and specialty vehicle businesses persisted through the quarter, both businesses drove margin improvement. I'll cover each of the segments in just a moment. Speaker 300:12:25Gross margin for the quarter was 40.5%, a 300 basis point increase compared to the prior year period. This improvement was driven by inflationary pressures easing across our segments and favorable mix from higher sales of new products, bolstered by the operational efficiency initiatives we've been executing throughout the year. Adjusted SG and A expense as a percentage of net sales was flat year over year at 23.4%. Adjusted operating income was $86,000,000 for the 3rd quarter, up more than 24% compared to the same period last year. Adjusted operating margin expanded 2 90 basis points to 17.1%, largely on gross margin improvement. Speaker 300:13:14Finally, 3rd quarter adjusted diluted EPS was $1.96 up 40% compared to the prior year period. Along with increased adjusted operating income, lower interest expense, tax rate and share counts contributed to our EPS growth. Next, let me provide updates on the quarter for each of our business segments. Starting with light duty on Slide 8. Net sales for light duty were $394,000,000 in the 3rd quarter, up 5% compared to last year. Speaker 300:13:49Shipments were generally aligned with customer POS during the quarter year to date. As we've discussed throughout the year, our new products and the strength of Dormans brand continue to drive significant growth for light beauty. Segment profit margin in Q3 was 19%, up 2.90 basis points compared to the same period last year. Similar to last quarter, this margin improvement was driven by easing inflationary pressures, favorable mix driven by higher new product sales and operational excellence initiatives delivering cost savings across the business. As Kevin mentioned, both our heavy duty and specialty vehicle segments navigated continued market headwinds well during the quarter. Speaker 300:14:35Let me provide a bit more detail on the next two slides. On Slide 9, heavy duty's Q3 net sales were $60,000,000 down 5% compared to last year's Q3. However, we estimate that the broader heavy duty market was down roughly mid single digits indicating that our new product development and enhanced commercialization initiatives are yielding positive results. Despite lower sales, the team did a solid job increasing the segment's margin profile. Operating margin for heavy duty was 4.5%, up 150 basis points over last year's Q3. Speaker 300:15:16While it remains difficult predicting a significant market term, we're pleased with some of the market commentary that the freight industry is stabilizing from the recent recessionary trend. We remain focused on managing the business for long term success and capitalizing on growth opportunities as market conditions improve. Moving to Slide 10, for our Specialty Vehicle segment, net sales were flat year over year at $51,000,000 despite higher financing rates and uncertainty in consumer sentiment driving continued market headwinds. Through our new product development strategy, including the expansion of our non discretionary repair parts portfolio, coupled with our new dealer growth initiatives, we were able to offset continued softness in the sector. Additionally, the team continues to drive higher margins from cost savings initiatives. Speaker 300:16:11These resulted in segment profit margins increasing 3.50 basis points year over year to 17%. We remain positive on the outlook for this business. As interest rate pressures continue to subside and consumer sentiment stabilizes, we expect to see increased demand for our products as end user enthusiasm in the space remains robust. Turning to cash flow on Slide 11. Free cash flow was $36,000,000 in the 3rd quarter, down 23% compared to the same period in 2023. Speaker 300:16:46The decline was primarily related to an increase in our inventory balance, offsetting lower operating cash with lower capital expenditures. Our capital allocation strategy remained consistent during the quarter as we repaid $11,000,000 in debt and returned $27,000,000 to shareholders through the repurchase of approximately 274,000 shares at an average price of $98 per share. Additionally, with our existing share repurchase program expiring at the end of this year, Dorman's Board of Directors approved a new repurchase authorization of up to $500,000,000 of common stock covering 2025 through 2027. Along with organic and inorganic investments, we continue to repurchase shares opportunistically, prudently returning capital to our shareholders. Our capital allocation strategy and strong balance sheet position us well to drive long term value. Speaker 300:17:49On Slide 12, I'll cover our balance sheet and liquidity. As of September 28, our net debt was $492,000,000 or $8,000,000 lower than Q2. Our net leverage ratio was 1.36 times adjusted EBITDA, down from 1.44 times at the end of June and 1.87 times at the end of last year. Our current leverage remains comfortably below our long term target of 2 times and well below our target of less than 3 times following the 1st year of an acquisition. Additionally, our total liquidity was $582,000,000 at the end of the quarter, up from $576,000,000 at the end of Q2. Speaker 300:18:35Our balance sheet remains strong and we're pleased with the capacity and flexibility it provides us to continue executing our strategic plan and deploy capital for future growth investment. Turning to Slide 13, I'd like to discuss our updated guidance for 2024. Reflecting on our performance through the 1st 9 months and expected strong finish to the year, we are updating our 2024 guidance. For net sales, we have narrowed our expectations to an increase of 3.5% to 4.5% over 2023. As we look across the segments, we believe that light duty's momentum will continue. Speaker 300:19:17We anticipate POS and shipments will remain in line as they have thus far in 2024 and the macro environment will continue to be positive. Our heavy duty and specialty vehicle businesses remain well positioned to continue driving solid execution and down market. Based on these factors, we expect each of our 3 segments full year net sales performance to improve compared to their year to date results. Additionally, we narrowed and increased our full year earnings guidance range. We now expect adjusted diluted EPS to be in the range of $6.85 for 2024, representing a 51% to 53% increase over 2023. Speaker 300:20:03Throughout the year, we've seen strong growth in new products, including complex electronics that Kevin spoke of earlier. Our new products generally carry a higher margin profile and their higher sales drive both volumes and favorable profit mix. Additionally, our investments in operational excellence initiatives across the enterprise, including automation, productivity and global sourcing are also yielding strong results. This is a testament to our team's positive adoption of new processes and our ability to navigate dynamic, challenging market environment. So I'd like to thank our team for their hard work and dedication this year. Speaker 300:20:43With that, I'll turn it back over to Kevin to conclude. Kevin? Thanks, David. I'd like to echo your comments regarding our team. We've implemented a Speaker 200:20:52number of changes across the organization this year and our contributors have done an outstanding job, adapting and improving upon the initiatives we put in place. We're proud of our results through the year and look forward to finishing 2024 strong, delivering significant growth over last year. We remain committed to driving long term growth by investing in our people, our processes and the innovation need to design and deliver next generation solutions. With that, I would now like to open the call up for questions. Operator? Operator00:21:28Thank you. We will now begin question and answer session. Our first question comes from the line of Scott Stember with ROTH MKM. Speaker 400:21:50MKM. Maybe we could just touch first on light duty. Some of your customers have been talking about some softening even in the professional side of the business or do it for me, but you guys continue to outperform. Just trying to get a sense of how much is being driven by new products and what things look like on a same SKU basis on a year over year basis? Speaker 200:22:21Yes. Good question, Scott. Yes, I mean, if you look across kind of what's been going on in the aftermarket, there certainly seems to be a stronger growth profile in the commercial side of the business based on what our customers are saying. And DIY seems to be a bit softer from a total growth perspective. If you look at Dormin, Scott, as you know, we're more indexed toward the DIFM or commercial side of the house for non discretionary parts. Speaker 200:22:55And so we're not as tied to the DIY trends that seem to be out there in the market now. I mean, obviously, one of the major growth drivers for us has been new products and it continues to be. It's why we focus so much on innovation and new to the aftermarket solutions. That has and will continue to be the major growth profile of Lever for the company going forward. Speaker 400:23:27Got it. And then next question before I get back into the queue, talked about signs of things stabilizing in heavy duty. I'm trying to get a sense of where we can look for margins operating margin in heavy duty to go when things do finally start to hit their stride once again? Speaker 200:23:49Yes. Great question, Scott. I mean, look, we heavy duty, it seems to be that market seems to be stabilized, certainly bumping off the bottom as we see it today. As I said in the prepared remarks, it's difficult to call when that market is going to inflect. We certainly hope there seem to be some signs that 2025 you might see an inflection up. Speaker 200:24:16That business for us obviously is not as asset light as our specialty or light duty business. So it's obviously impacted more from volume decreases with the overhead that they carry from manufacturing operations. So from our perspective, we're going to continue to focus on innovation in that side of the house and productivity initiatives. So we think we're well positioned when that market does come back. In terms of the actual target, that business for us before the downturn was generating mid teen operating profit margins. Speaker 200:24:57And so we expect to be back at that level when the market does inflect. Speaker 400:25:03Got it. Thank you. Operator00:25:06Our next question comes from the line of Bret Jordan with Jefferies. Bret, your line is now open. Speaker 300:25:12Hey, good morning guys. Hey, Bret. Hey, Bret. Speaker 500:25:15Could you talk about in the Specialty segment, how much is and now in the repair space as opposed to the discretionary mix? Have you guys developed that break fix product line? Speaker 200:25:26Yes. We're actually slightly above half the business is non discretionary repair, Brett. It was less than that when we acquired the business a little bit more than 18 months ago. As we've talked previously, we are tied to new vehicle sales because there is a high attach rate to new vehicle sales. That's why the focus on nondiscretionary repair, we've made a lot of progress on that initiative and we continue to do so. Speaker 200:25:59So it's going to continue to be a focus and that kind of balance of sale will continue to increase. Speaker 500:26:07Okay, great. And then a question on complex electronics margin. You say obviously that the new product margin exceeds the average. Do complex electronics new product margins exceed the average new product margin? Is it a more profitable segment overall? Speaker 200:26:23Well, I'll just say it this way. I mean, we don't give specifics around that category in terms of margin or the size of it. But what I will say, Brett, is a lot of those parts are new to the aftermarket, okay, which means that part did not exist in the aftermarket the day before we launched it, okay? So those parts generally have a higher margin profile than a part that's been in the aftermarket or is not new to the aftermarket. It's the highest margin for us, it's the highest margin for our customers. Speaker 200:26:57So obviously, if new to the aftermarket or complex electronics is mainly new to the aftermarket, it's going to carry a higher margin profile than the balance of the business. Speaker 400:27:07Okay. Speaker 500:27:08And then one quick follow-up question, I guess, on margin impact. If we do see tariffs change, you guys have talked about some supply chain, reevaluating supply chain, but obviously, if there's going to be a big tariff increase next year, how do you see that impacting the business? Speaker 200:27:25Yes, we're obviously watching that very closely, Brett. I would say that we're much better positioned now than we were back in, say, 2018. As you referenced, our supply chain is much more diverse. I'd also say, I think we're better positioned in that we have a playbook. So we know how to handle it. Speaker 200:27:47We know what we have to do. We'll do what's right for the if tariffs do come on, we'll do what's right for our business and we'll do what's right for our customers and the ultimate end user at the end of the day. So I think that's how we're going to view it. I don't really want to go more into it at this point. We're just going to continue to watch and see what happens. Speaker 400:28:07Okay, great. Thank you. Operator00:28:11Our next question comes from the line of Justin Ages with CJS Securities. Justin, your line is now open. Speaker 600:28:18Hi, good morning. It's Pete Lucas for Justin. You covered a lot of my questions. Thanks for that. Just in terms of electric vehicle parts, what are you seeing now and kind of what is where do you see it going in the future? Speaker 600:28:33I know you touched on it in the prepared remarks in terms of the breakdown, but just where are we today and kind of where do you see it going in the short term? Speaker 200:28:44Well, I think it depends on what you mean by electronic vehicles, right, electric vehicles. I mean, how we view it is, obviously, pure plug in electric and there's hybrid. As we mentioned in the prepared remarks, I mean, the car park is going to remain heavy ice through 2,035. There will be a continued increase in the car park in the repair age that we target for pure plug in electric and hybrid. Look, we view it just like ICE. Speaker 200:29:22We have the capability to address parts on any electric vehicle out there. A lot of them are complex electronics. Hence, that's why we focus and invest so much in those categories. So as those categories do increase over time, we'll continue to increase our content. But it's going to be quite some time before there's a meaningful portion of the car park in the repair age that are pure plug and electric. Speaker 600:29:56Very helpful. Thanks. Speaker 100:29:58Got it. Operator00:30:00Our next question comes from the line of Gary Prestopino with Barrington Research. Gary, your line is now open. Speaker 700:30:07Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Speaker 300:30:10Hey, Gary. Hey, Gary. I have a Speaker 700:30:11few questions here. David, what was that $1,600,000 other income positive number in the quarter? Speaker 300:30:24On the other income and expense, Gary, that was the impact of our joint venture income. That's where that shows up. Okay. Thanks. Speaker 700:30:36And then, Kevin, maybe you could help us Speaker 300:30:39out Speaker 700:30:39here. You're citing that new products are helping to drive growth and increase the margins. But could you maybe slap some metrics around that in terms of how much what percentage of sales were coming from new products over the last 9 months or in the quarter versus where they were last year? Just so we can kind of get an idea of how that is moving to the positive for the company. Speaker 200:31:11Gary, we don't release metrics in terms of what portion of our sales dollars are tied to new products. We do release the new SKUs, as you know. SKUs in the quarter were roughly flattish to where they were a year ago. That will come out in the disclosures. But I would tell you that it was last year, it was up against a very difficult comp. Speaker 200:31:38The 2 year stack for SKUs in the quarter was actually up 70% from where it was back in the same quarter in 2022. So look, Speaker 400:31:48new Speaker 200:31:48to the aftermarket continues to be again, we're always going to have line extensions, applications that retire, new applications. But where the growth is going to be driven is new to the aftermarket. And that continues to be a strong driver of growth for us, Gary, and it's going to continue to be. But we don't specifically break out the number. I'd also say that even though the SKUs were flat in the quarter, the total new product sales dollars versus the same quarter last year were actually up. Speaker 200:32:26That's going to happen from a function of not only just units being up, but also average selling prices are up as we continue to focus on more complex parts. Speaker 700:32:38Okay. I mean, that's helpful. And then getting back to the heavy duty, you're hearing that the market is stabilizing. So is the thought process that versus what's happened in 2024 that it will be flattish in 2025 and then maybe increase in the 2026 as these new emission requirements, especially in Europe come in for 2027? Speaker 200:33:08We haven't released guidance for 2025 at this point yet, Gary. But what I will say is that we're not going to plan on a significant inflection of growth in 2025. We it's just too cloudy right now. We do hope that it's going to inflect. So our focus right now is to continue to work on new product development, which is again get that flywheel of new product into the market, which will drive growth for years to come and productivity initiatives across the business. Speaker 200:33:41So when it does inflect, we'll be well positioned to ride that wave up. Speaker 400:33:48Okay. Thank you. Got it. Operator00:33:53There's no further question at this time. That concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining and you may now disconnect.Read morePowered by