NASDAQ:ACDC ProFrac Q3 2024 Earnings Report $3.66 -0.35 (-8.73%) Closing price 10/10/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$3.64 -0.02 (-0.41%) As of 10/10/2025 07:52 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast ProFrac EPS ResultsActual EPS-$46.40Consensus EPS -$0.14Beat/MissMissed by -$46.26One Year Ago EPS-$0.09ProFrac Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$575.30 millionExpected Revenue$538.55 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$36.75 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AProFrac Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2024Date11/6/2024TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateTuesday, November 5, 2024Conference Call Time11:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsProFrac's Q3 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, November 5, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Tuesday, November 4, 2025 at 11:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by ProFrac Q3 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 5, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways In Q3 ProFrac generated $575M in revenue, $135M of adjusted EBITDA and $31M of free cash flow, setting new quarterly operating efficiency records. About 75% of active fleets now use next‐generation eFleet and dual‐fuel technology, with successful internal testing of new electric pumps driving strong customer demand. The proppant production segment saw a 24% sequential revenue decline to $53M and a 400 bp drop in EBITDA margin, with continued weakness expected in Q4. Management expects softer Q4 activity due to operator budget exhaustion and seasonality, potentially applying downward pressure on fleet counts and efficiency. ProFrac is retiring 400,000 HP of legacy diesel frac pumps that fail reinvestment criteria and has reorganized its asset management to ensure each deployed fleet meets high quality standards. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallProFrac Q3 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xThere are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Ladies and gentlemen, greetings and welcome to the ProFac Holding Corp Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Michael Messina, Director of Finance. Operator00:00:32Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:35Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us for Pro Frac Holding Corp. Conference call and webcast to review our Q3 2024 results. With me today are Matt Wilks, Executive Chairman Ladd Wilks, Chief Executive Officer and Austin Harbour, Chief Financial Officer. Speaker 100:00:55Following my remarks, management will provide high level commentary on the operational and financial highlights of the Q3 before opening the call up to your questions. A replay of today's call will be available by webcast on the company's website atpfholdingscorp.com, and a telephonic recording will be available until November 12, 2024. More information on how to access these replay features is included in the company's earnings release. Please note that information reported on this call speaks only as of today, November 5, 2024, and therefore, you are advised that any time sensitive information may no longer be accurate as of the time of any replay listening or transcript reading. Also, comments on this call may contain forward looking statements within the meaning of the United States federal securities laws, including management's expectations of future financial and business performance. Speaker 100:01:55These forward looking statements reflect the current views of ProFrak's management and are not guarantees of future performance. Various risks, uncertainties and contingencies could cause actual results, performance or achievements to differ materially from those expressed in management's forward looking statements. A listener or reader is encouraged to read ProFrac's Form 10 ks and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which can be found at sec.gov or on the company's Investor Relations website section under the SEC Filings tab to understand those risks, uncertainties and contingencies. The comments today also include certain non GAAP financial measures as well as other adjusted figures to exclude the contribution of Flotek. Additional details and reconciliations to the most directly comparable consolidated and GAAP financial measures are included in the quarterly earnings press release, which can be found on the company's website. Speaker 100:02:56And now, I'd like to turn the call over to ProFrak's Executive Chairman, Mr. Matt Wilkes. Speaker 200:03:03Thank you, Michael, and good morning, everyone. After my prepared remarks, Vlad will comment further on the performance of our subsidiaries and Austin will walk through our financial performance. In the Q3, ProFrog delivered strong results with revenue of $575,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA of $135,000,000 We continued our recent quarterly trend of setting new operating efficiency records and delivering leading performance for our customers amidst challenging market dynamics. As we have previously highlighted, Prophrac's leading position throughout the completions value chain enables us to deliver robust financial and operational performance through the cycle. Further, we continue to execute on our commercial strategy to partner with operators that value integrated highly efficient solutions at scale. Speaker 200:03:55Profrac's 3rd quarter performance is underpinned by our record setting efficiency per active fleet, a testament to the quality of our people and our commitment to safety, efficiency and leading customer service. In addition to consistent improvement in service quality at the wellhead, I'm also proud of the team's commitment to servicing, maintaining and upgrading fleets. The company's internal R and D, manufacturing and maintenance capabilities are an integral element of our strategy. Simply put, we were able to repair, service and redeploy fleets rapidly as the market ebbs and flows. Our internal research, design and development capabilities provide a comprehensive platform to drive commercial innovation. Speaker 200:04:39Of note, we are pleased to report that we have successfully tested our newest generation of electric pumps, which was internally designed and developed. Profrac is also testing a novel software platform providing unique insights into not only pumping performance, but also well performance during live completion operations. While this solution remains subject to further refinement, initial feedback from potential enhancements in operational and maintenance performance are promising. We expect to have more details to share in the future. We manage assets such that the next available fleet in our portfolio is positioned to deliver leading edge performance while minimizing non productive time. Speaker 200:05:22We are starting to witness equipment attrition across the industry and believe this trend will accelerate in the future. This is driven by lower relative equipment investment, increased hours per fleet and per component and a lack of new entrants due to limited availability of capital. We believe these characteristics are influencing current supply and demand dynamics and believe that attrition may impact efficiencies as incremental activity unfolds. Our equipment as well as equipment across the industry have and continue to pump more hours than ever before, resulting in an accelerated reinvestment cycle. At ProFrac, we expect this trend to continue and prudently manage our portfolio of assets and capital allocation with a returns focused mindset. Speaker 200:06:14Following a preliminary review of our assets, we have identified approximately 400,000 horsepower of legacy diesel burning frac pumps Speaker 300:06:21that we are proactively retiring because they do not meet our reinvestment thresholds. Speaker 200:06:26Concurrently, ProFrac has strategically allocated capital both to maintain and to improve our fleet. Further, we purposefully reorganized our asset management program to ensure the quality of our ready line. Our goal is for each incremental fleet to be the best fleet in our portfolio. Simply put, every fleet we deploy meets ProFac's high standard of quality and reliability. The partnership model that we share with our customers and the integrated solutions that we provide are the core of our value proposition. Speaker 200:06:59As we have discussed previously, we believe our integrated model provides a unique competitive advantage to ProFrac throughout various market cycles. For example, as operators consolidate, they increasingly favor service companies that can provide integrated solutions at the pad. Given Profrac's leading position throughout the completions value chain and our strategic ability to add scale in the most active basins in the U. S, we can take advantage of opportunities in a rapidly evolving marketplace. Looking forward, we expect to continue to invest in next generation equipment that displaces diesel. Speaker 200:07:38We recognize that this technology is the future. Demand for our e fleets and our dual fuel or dynamic gas blending assets that utilize natural gas as the primary fuel source remain strong, and we continue to make progress on fleet upgrades. Today, approximately 3 quarters of our active fleets include eFleet or natural gas capable equipment. Of note, our efleets are all active in Q4 despite market headwinds. Our ability to provide customers with significant fuel savings, high reliability and efficient operations have made our next generation assets highly sought after and a critical part of our service offerings. Speaker 200:08:21As we mentioned last quarter, we recognize there is a significant opportunity for Profrac to play a meaningful role in power generation. There has been a surge in demand for power generation capabilities in response to grid constraints and failures, AI driven computing power requirements and broader industrial scale electrification trends. As a result, we are making strategic investments around power generation and plan to be an active participant in the solution. As more fuel efficient technologies become the standard, our customers are increasingly requiring on demand power generation at the wellhead and diversifying into power generation is a natural organic growth area. In proppant production, we saw improvement from the trough in July 3Q3. Speaker 200:09:11However, markets continue to remain challenged. West Texas remains highly competitive. Additionally, our assets in the Haynesville were negatively impacted by subdued drilling and completion activity in the region. We anticipate Q4 results will be impacted by softening demand as we approach year end. We are actively managing costs while maintaining our strategic position across our mines and anticipate a recovery in activity in 2025, particularly in West Texas and South Texas. Speaker 200:09:41Further, Speaker 300:09:42we Speaker 200:09:42have a unique scaled position in Maynesville and are focused on increasing efficiencies to enhance profitability upon a potential recovery in activity. I'm proud of our team's execution and commitment to excellence despite a challenging market environment. In summary, we generated $575,000,000 of revenues, dollars 135,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA $31,000,000 of free cash flow despite a challenging market. We continue to fill new inbound requests for additional integrated fleet deployments with the highest demand for electric and Tier 4 dual fuel or DGV technologies. And as of today, approximately 3 quarters of active fleets utilize next generation technology. Speaker 200:10:28We continue to invest in our industry leading technologies that drive increased pump time and reduced non productive time. We are proactively retiring 400,000 legacy diesel burning horsepower that does not meet our reinvestment threshold. We have purposely reorganized our asset management program to ensure the quality of our Ready Line so that each incremental fleet meets our standards for quality and reliability. We successfully tested our internally designed and developed next generation EPON. We achieved our 3rd consecutive new quarterly record for efficiencies based on pump hours proactive fleet, a testament to the leading edge execution by our employees in the field. Speaker 200:11:12We have positioned Profrac to generate long term value for our stakeholders by delivering the most efficient solutions through vertically integrated in basin scaled offerings, leading edge service and a relentless focus on free cash flow generation through the cycle. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Latt. Thank you, Matt. Speaker 400:11:34I'll begin with an overview of our performance in each segment, starting with Pressure Pumping. I'm proud to report that we continued our quarterly trend of delivering record efficiency for our customers. Although the market environment was characterized by decreased activity and budget exhaustion, ProFrac achieved a record for pumping hours per fleet for the 3rd consecutive quarter. ProFrac's best performing fleets exceeded 22 hours per day. We continue to strive for excellence every day. Speaker 400:12:05Our performance is made possible through the operational improvements we've made internally and the emphasis we placed on our commercial strategy. Our asset management program has enabled us to not only turn around and rapidly redeploy fleets, but also positions us to respond as the market improves with well maintained assets that are ready to pump. We're strategically investing in our fleets and purposely holding back assets in this market on a ready line so that we're able to fill incremental demand as we progress through 2025. Our asset management program has also enabled us to reduce costs via more streamlined repair, maintenance and make ready procedures without sacrificing asset quality. Additionally, this program has also gained us deeper insight into the lifespan of our equipment. Speaker 400:13:00As Matt mentioned, we have recently conducted a preliminary review of our equipment and are proactively retiring approximately 400,000 horsepower of legacy diesel burning equipment. Asset quality dovetails with our commercial strategy. We continue to emphasize and partner with operators that value fulsome solutions versus ad hoc services. We are uniquely capable to tailor bespoke integrated completion solutions across the value chain that enable our customers to improve well economics and productivity at scale. With respect to activity, we were able to improve efficiencies, although operators began to slow drilling and completion activity through the quarter. Speaker 400:13:45Although our average active fleet count was up slightly and ahead of our expectations, we expect the 4th quarter to reflect more pronounced budget exhaustion and seasonality, negatively impacting both fleet count and efficiencies. Our proppant segment was impacted by prolonged weakness in natural gas related activity as well as increased competition in West Texas. While volumes increased from the trough in July, overall volumes were down relative to Q2. We anticipate that markets will remain challenged in Q4, impacting both volumes and pricing. We continue to take action to align our operating costs and capital investments with activity levels. Speaker 400:14:29In summary, although performance has come in below our expectations, we're actively repositioning Alpine to produce higher throughput, higher utilization and lower cost per ton as market fundamentals improve. Prudent active cost and capital management have been essential in 2024. Our platform leverages in basin scale and integrated solutions to deliver cost savings and efficiencies for our customers and improved returns for pro frac. We also continue to invest in our equipment, including next generation as well as existing assets in Q3. Additionally, we've successfully deployed power generation solutions to enable on demand power and to facilitate higher diesel displacement. Speaker 400:15:18We believe this will continue to be a growth area for operators as they seek to lower fuel cost. We believe attrition will continue to accelerate given the relative lack of investment and challenges that smaller competitors are facing. With our in house repair, maintenance and manufacturing capabilities, we are uniquely capable of servicing the full asset lifecycle internally, which enables us to not only maintain our fleets, but also to prepare for what we see as an increase in activity moving into next year. Our goal is to have ready to deploy fleets as the call on premium equipment unfolds. We pride ourselves on leading edge service and operational excellence throughout market cycles, partnering with operators to deliver efficiencies while generating cash flow. Speaker 400:16:11I want to thank our outstanding team for their hard work, dedication and commitment to safety. We have Speaker 500:16:18the best team in the industry and their focus on executing our differentiated strategy makes it possible for ProFrac to succeed every day. I'll now hand the call over to Austin to cover our financial results in more detail. Thanks, Lad. With respect to our Q3 results, revenues were slightly down sequentially to $575,000,000 We generated $135,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 23%. 3rd quarter adjusted EBITDA was essentially flat with Q2. Speaker 500:16:52Margins were negatively impacted by pricing pressures, albeit offset by operating cost reductions realized through the quarter. Free cash flow was $31,000,000 in the 3rd quarter, a decrease from the 2nd quarter largely driven by a more muted impact from asset sales. We continue to utilize cash to invest in our fleet, particularly next generation technologies, bespoke sand mine improvements and debt service obligations. Turning to our segments. Stimulation services revenues were up sequentially to $507,000,000 in the 3rd quarter. Speaker 500:17:27Average active fleet count increased slightly. However, pricing on equipment and materials partially offset some of those gains, resulting in a slight increase versus Q2. Adjusted EBITDA was $113,000,000 for the 3rd quarter, an improvement of approximately 5% versus Q2. Margins remained flat sequentially at 22%, which reflects cost management and response to pricing pressures and lower anticipated demand. This segment was impacted by approximately $6,700,000 in shortfall expense related to our supply agreement with Flotek compared to $8,400,000 in the prior quarter. Speaker 500:18:06Of note, we achieved mid teens EBITDA per fleet and allocated capital both to maintain and to upgrade our fleet. Although our simulation services results reflect sequential improvement, we anticipate a softer Q4 driven by an outsized impact from budget exhaustion and lower activity levels due to operator efficiency gains. The proppant production segment generated $53,000,000 of revenue in the 3rd quarter, representing a 24% sequential decline. The decline in revenue was primarily attributable to lower demand in natural gas regions coupled with a highly competitive market in West Texas, impacting both volumes and pricing. In response to these market conditions, we continue to execute initiatives to reduce both capital expenditures and operating costs to mitigate the impacts of lower cost absorption. Speaker 500:18:58Approximately 71% of volumes were sold to third party customers during the Q3 versus 75% in Q2. Adjusted EBITDA for the proppant production segment was $17,000,000 for the 3rd quarter, representing a 33% sequential decrease. Adjusted EBITDA margins decreased by approximately 400 basis points quarter over quarter to approximately 33%, largely due to lower cost absorption and a decline in average realized price per ton. Although activity levels increased off the trough in July, demand did not materialize as we had anticipated. We expect further softness in the Q4 due to budget exhaustion and seasonality that will continue to weigh on the proppant production segment's results. Speaker 500:19:44We anticipate improved commercial opportunities and a recovery in volumes in 2025 as activity begins to recover. The manufacturing segment generated 3rd quarter revenues of $62,000,000 up approximately 10% from the 2nd quarter. Approximately 80% of segment revenues were generated via intercompany sales. The increase in sales in the 3rd quarter was a result of increased fleet activity, including hours pumped and engine upgrades at Stimulation Services. Adjusted EBITDA for the manufacturing segment was approximately $100,000 for the quarter, which was flat with Q2. Speaker 500:20:21Selling, general and administrative expenses were $52,000,000 in the 3rd quarter compared to $54,000,000 in the 2nd quarter. The slight decrease was primarily driven by our continued emphasis on managing costs. Cash capital expenditures totaled $70,000,000 in the 3rd quarter, up approximately $8,000,000 from the prior quarter. In addition to activity driven maintenance, we invested in next generation equipment, including but not limited to dual fuel engines and e fleets in addition to bespoke mine upgrades at Alpine. We continue to prudently manage our capital allocation to more closely align with demand, while efficiently investing to maintain our active and ready line fleet of equipment in anticipation of improved activity in 2025. Speaker 500:21:07We expect to incur total capital expenditures during 2024 that are closer to the lower end of our previously disclosed guidance of between $150,000,000 $200,000,000 in maintenance capital expenditures and approximately $100,000,000 on growth related CapEx. Total cash and cash equivalents as of September 30 were $26,000,000 including $5,000,000 attributable to Flotek. Total liquidity at quarter end was approximately $109,000,000 including $89,000,000 available under the ABL. Borrowings under the ABL credit facility ended the quarter at $163,000,000 up approximately $13,000,000 from the prior quarter. Speaker 200:21:50At the end of Speaker 500:21:50the Q3, we had approximately $1,200,000,000 of debt outstanding. The majority of our debt does not mature until January 2029. We intend to utilize free cash flow in future periods to deleverage. As of September 30, we have repaid approximately $110,000,000 of long term debt in 2024. We look forward to continuing to execute on our strategic priorities, partnering with customers to provide leading edge integrated solutions, increasing efficiencies across the organization and generating free cash flow through the cycle. Speaker 500:22:25That concludes our formal remarks. Operator, please open the line for questions. Operator00:22:34Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now be conducting a question and answer session. Our first question comes from Saurabh Pant with Bank of America. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:23:16Hi, good morning, Matt, Ladd and Austin. Speaker 700:23:21Good morning. Good morning. Speaker 600:23:24Matt and Ladd, maybe I'll start with a question on maybe if you can share a little more color on your 2025 outlook because it was interesting. You were calling for a recovery and especially on the oil side of things. I think you noted both West Texas and South Texas in your prepared remarks. Can you share a little more color, Matt, on this? What exactly are you seeing? Speaker 300:23:45What are your customers telling? And what brings that confidence, especially on the oil side Speaker 600:23:45of things? And definitely Speaker 200:23:50a good start to the year, but it's on and definitely a good start to the year, but it's on a year over year basis, it will be flat to slightly down. Speaker 600:24:10Okay, okay. I got it. I got it. So part of it, it sounds like it's seasonal, right? The seasonal weakness late in the Q3, Q4 reverses early next year, right? Speaker 600:24:18At least part of it is that. Speaker 200:24:22That's right. Speaker 600:24:23Okay, perfect. And then one more on the interplay between pricing and cost management right now, because you've clearly done a good job in managing your cost, rightsizing your cost structure. And it sounded like you continue to do that both on the stimulation and I think particularly on the propane side. Can you talk to that dynamic, Matt, where pricing is going? It sounds like pricing continues to go down at least directionally, but you have, it sounds like more levels on the cost side. Speaker 600:24:52If you can talk about pricing and cost, what's in your control at this point? Speaker 200:24:58Certainly. Our vertical integration allows us much more control over our fixed costs, where utilization brings our cost structure down tremendously as we dilute it just through operating leverage. This is an advantage that we have in this market, in this industry and certainly comes in big help in environments like this. Pricing, it's very competitive out there. But when we go in, we look at what we can do from operating leverage and the overall footprint that we have, we certainly are seeing a benefit from it. Speaker 700:25:37Yes. And I would add, Sohrab, just the ability to control what we can control. When we think about controllable costs and when we think about operating leverage and leveraging efficiencies throughout the value chain. I echo what Matt said. We're uniquely capable of doing that because of our integrated model and because of the positions that we have throughout the value chain. Speaker 700:26:03So that's what we're focused on in a market environment like we have today. And with what we see in Q4 is let's control what we can control, be as efficient as possible. Not only does that help us in this market, but it also helps us on the operating leverage side as activity starts to come back next year. Speaker 600:26:26Got it, right. That all makes sense. And Austin, a quick one for you, if you don't mind. On the CapEx side of things for 2025, I know you're not giving a firm guidance right now, but how should we think about CapEx for 2025 between maintenance and some of the other upgrade and growth efforts that you might have for next year? Speaker 700:26:44Yes. I think it's really too early to tell right now. Sohrab. It's still early in the RFP season and we don't really even have any preliminary guidance to provide on the CapEx front. We'll have certainly a lot more color and detail on our next call. Speaker 600:27:07Okay. No, that's reasonable, Austin. Okay. Matt, Ladd, Austin, thank you. I'll turn it Operator00:27:14back. Thank you. The next question comes from Stephen Gengaro with Stifel. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:27:23Thanks. Good morning, everybody. Speaker 300:27:26Good morning, Speaker 800:27:27Stephen. A couple of things. A couple of them, can you talk about I mean, you talked about being strategic in your allocation of assets. I think you mentioned the mid teens EBITDA for the frac business in the quarter. That sort of seems to indicate 28 or 29 fleets working in the Q3. Speaker 800:27:48Just curious if you could give us a sense for that. And how are you currently balancing kind of pricing versus fleet deployments? Speaker 200:28:02Yes. We typically don't lean in and disclose exactly what our fleet count is, but that's not too materially off. But if we look at fleet deployments, look, whenever you've got something that's on the fence, you definitely want to see some little bit better pricing to reactivate it. And so our focus is to keep what we have working, keeping customers close and benefit from that operating leverage. However, as we see the market pick up, we think that supply and demand is a little bit higher than people realize just because of the attrition. Speaker 200:28:44When you have a market that drops from around 280, 290 fleets a little over a year ago to around the 200 to 210 range that it is now, everybody looks like heroes because you've consolidated the best equipment in the business and that stuff is still working. That's when you start adding fleets back that you start running into equipment issues because you've already consolidated the best assets in your business. This is also why we've gone in and taken a focused approach to our asset management and reorganized that part of the business to make sure that our next plus one fleet is the best fleet in the business because we want to make sure that the cyclical nature of this industry that we typically see from our peers isn't a characteristic that Pro Frac has going forward. Speaker 800:29:39Okay. Thank you. Your peers have all kind of suggested kind of a 10% -ish reduction in the Q4. I think last year you guys were it was a little softer for you. Should we think about that kind of a top line drop with sort of 30% decrementals as a starting point? Speaker 700:30:04Yes. I think, look, as you think about Q4 versus Q3, I think we'll see relatively consistent seasonality with respect to both STEM services and from the profit business. I think on the decremental side, I'd say that's from a preliminary perspective kind of in the ballpark. I mean, as know, we don't give formal guidance, but I think you're in the realm of possible outcomes there. Speaker 800:30:40Thank you. That's helpful. And 2 other quick ones. 1, on the proppant side, do you think the activation and the impact of Dune Express will have any material impact on your business next year? Speaker 200:30:56No, not at all. No, we think that this is a very competitive environment and we probably have the most surprise or upside on that side of the business and look forward to increasing scale on that as well as benefiting from the operating leverage. The portion of these same businesses, the way they operate has a much higher fixed cost structure nature to them with very little variable expense. And so we're looking forward to growing our customer base and increasing our volumes. And it doesn't take much to take a make a significant impact to the consolidated results. Speaker 200:31:45And so we're pretty excited about what we're doing with Alpine and the opportunities that are provided there. Speaker 800:31:53Thanks for the color. And if I could just slide in one more. You mentioned the power generation business and that's obviously hugely hot topic these days. Where can you give any more color kind of like on where exactly you play there? Is it just going to be in the oil patch? Speaker 800:32:10Are you looking at other opportunities? And kind of what are the assets you're using to get in that business aggressively? Speaker 200:32:20Certainly. When we look at our eFleet business, we've got a built in customer and believe we can de risk that business in ordinary course. But it obviously offers some opportunities to get into micro grid solutions for operators, for customers, as well as potentially pursuing the wider market outside of oil and gas. But right now, we just focus on derisking that business and satisfying our own internal needs and look forward to opportunities, way outside of that as they are presented. Speaker 800:33:01Great. Thanks for the color, gentlemen. Speaker 200:33:05Thank you. Thanks. Speaker 400:33:07Thank you. Operator00:33:19The next question is from the line of Sean Mitchell with Daniel Energy Partners. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:33:26Hey guys, thanks for taking the question. It would seem as it pays for the operator for a resume completions and start working through some of the docks sometime next year. How much of an update in activity would you expect to see in the Haynesville? As a follow-up maybe given your large sand operation in that basin, tell us how we should think about localized volumes and localized sand prices this time next year versus today? What are your thoughts around that? Speaker 200:33:55Yes, it's difficult to say. I mean, I think so much plays on weather as well as construction schedules and timelines for LNG offtake. Certainly, we'd love to see gas rebound and see healthier customers on that side that are a little bit more comfortable with increased activities. But we've settled in. We're defending our footprint in these markets and think that commitment will pay off in the long term and certainly believe that this is the catalyst that I think will bring the OFS market back. Speaker 200:34:37But look, we don't want to jump the gun, get too early build in too many expectations for what the gas market is going to do. But I think being patient, working with our customers, focusing on creating value for them and we see a recovery in gas. We'll be really happy to see that. As for how many DUCs, it's hard to say. I'd hope that they would increase activity, but right now we're settled in for as long as it takes to just hunker down and stick with these markets. Speaker 700:35:16Yes, I think the one thing Sean is that ProFrac is committed to being a balanced portfolio between liquids and natural gas. And we've made real investments there. And not only that, I mean, the company has a strong history and competitive advantages operating on HPHT wells going back for many years. And we're highly efficient in those markets. We're committed to those markets and we're going to be there when the recovery comes. Speaker 300:35:48Got it. Thanks guys. Happy Election Day. Speaker 700:35:54Thanks. Likewise. Operator00:35:57Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I would now like to hand the conference over to Matt Mills for closing comments. Speaker 200:36:10We appreciate everybody joining our call today and look forward to delivering another good quarter and look forward to 2025. Thanks for joining this call and get out and vote. Operator00:36:28Thank you. This concludes today's teleconference. 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The company offers hydraulic fracturing, well stimulation, in-basin frac sand, and other completion services and complementary products and services to upstream oil and natural gas companies engaged in the exploration and production of unconventional oil and natural gas resources. It also manufactures and sells high horsepower pumps, valves, piping, swivels, large-bore manifold systems, and fluid ends. 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There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Ladies and gentlemen, greetings and welcome to the ProFac Holding Corp Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Michael Messina, Director of Finance. Operator00:00:32Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:35Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us for Pro Frac Holding Corp. Conference call and webcast to review our Q3 2024 results. With me today are Matt Wilks, Executive Chairman Ladd Wilks, Chief Executive Officer and Austin Harbour, Chief Financial Officer. Speaker 100:00:55Following my remarks, management will provide high level commentary on the operational and financial highlights of the Q3 before opening the call up to your questions. A replay of today's call will be available by webcast on the company's website atpfholdingscorp.com, and a telephonic recording will be available until November 12, 2024. More information on how to access these replay features is included in the company's earnings release. Please note that information reported on this call speaks only as of today, November 5, 2024, and therefore, you are advised that any time sensitive information may no longer be accurate as of the time of any replay listening or transcript reading. Also, comments on this call may contain forward looking statements within the meaning of the United States federal securities laws, including management's expectations of future financial and business performance. Speaker 100:01:55These forward looking statements reflect the current views of ProFrak's management and are not guarantees of future performance. Various risks, uncertainties and contingencies could cause actual results, performance or achievements to differ materially from those expressed in management's forward looking statements. A listener or reader is encouraged to read ProFrac's Form 10 ks and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which can be found at sec.gov or on the company's Investor Relations website section under the SEC Filings tab to understand those risks, uncertainties and contingencies. The comments today also include certain non GAAP financial measures as well as other adjusted figures to exclude the contribution of Flotek. Additional details and reconciliations to the most directly comparable consolidated and GAAP financial measures are included in the quarterly earnings press release, which can be found on the company's website. Speaker 100:02:56And now, I'd like to turn the call over to ProFrak's Executive Chairman, Mr. Matt Wilkes. Speaker 200:03:03Thank you, Michael, and good morning, everyone. After my prepared remarks, Vlad will comment further on the performance of our subsidiaries and Austin will walk through our financial performance. In the Q3, ProFrog delivered strong results with revenue of $575,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA of $135,000,000 We continued our recent quarterly trend of setting new operating efficiency records and delivering leading performance for our customers amidst challenging market dynamics. As we have previously highlighted, Prophrac's leading position throughout the completions value chain enables us to deliver robust financial and operational performance through the cycle. Further, we continue to execute on our commercial strategy to partner with operators that value integrated highly efficient solutions at scale. Speaker 200:03:55Profrac's 3rd quarter performance is underpinned by our record setting efficiency per active fleet, a testament to the quality of our people and our commitment to safety, efficiency and leading customer service. In addition to consistent improvement in service quality at the wellhead, I'm also proud of the team's commitment to servicing, maintaining and upgrading fleets. The company's internal R and D, manufacturing and maintenance capabilities are an integral element of our strategy. Simply put, we were able to repair, service and redeploy fleets rapidly as the market ebbs and flows. Our internal research, design and development capabilities provide a comprehensive platform to drive commercial innovation. Speaker 200:04:39Of note, we are pleased to report that we have successfully tested our newest generation of electric pumps, which was internally designed and developed. Profrac is also testing a novel software platform providing unique insights into not only pumping performance, but also well performance during live completion operations. While this solution remains subject to further refinement, initial feedback from potential enhancements in operational and maintenance performance are promising. We expect to have more details to share in the future. We manage assets such that the next available fleet in our portfolio is positioned to deliver leading edge performance while minimizing non productive time. Speaker 200:05:22We are starting to witness equipment attrition across the industry and believe this trend will accelerate in the future. This is driven by lower relative equipment investment, increased hours per fleet and per component and a lack of new entrants due to limited availability of capital. We believe these characteristics are influencing current supply and demand dynamics and believe that attrition may impact efficiencies as incremental activity unfolds. Our equipment as well as equipment across the industry have and continue to pump more hours than ever before, resulting in an accelerated reinvestment cycle. At ProFrac, we expect this trend to continue and prudently manage our portfolio of assets and capital allocation with a returns focused mindset. Speaker 200:06:14Following a preliminary review of our assets, we have identified approximately 400,000 horsepower of legacy diesel burning frac pumps Speaker 300:06:21that we are proactively retiring because they do not meet our reinvestment thresholds. Speaker 200:06:26Concurrently, ProFrac has strategically allocated capital both to maintain and to improve our fleet. Further, we purposefully reorganized our asset management program to ensure the quality of our ready line. Our goal is for each incremental fleet to be the best fleet in our portfolio. Simply put, every fleet we deploy meets ProFac's high standard of quality and reliability. The partnership model that we share with our customers and the integrated solutions that we provide are the core of our value proposition. Speaker 200:06:59As we have discussed previously, we believe our integrated model provides a unique competitive advantage to ProFrac throughout various market cycles. For example, as operators consolidate, they increasingly favor service companies that can provide integrated solutions at the pad. Given Profrac's leading position throughout the completions value chain and our strategic ability to add scale in the most active basins in the U. S, we can take advantage of opportunities in a rapidly evolving marketplace. Looking forward, we expect to continue to invest in next generation equipment that displaces diesel. Speaker 200:07:38We recognize that this technology is the future. Demand for our e fleets and our dual fuel or dynamic gas blending assets that utilize natural gas as the primary fuel source remain strong, and we continue to make progress on fleet upgrades. Today, approximately 3 quarters of our active fleets include eFleet or natural gas capable equipment. Of note, our efleets are all active in Q4 despite market headwinds. Our ability to provide customers with significant fuel savings, high reliability and efficient operations have made our next generation assets highly sought after and a critical part of our service offerings. Speaker 200:08:21As we mentioned last quarter, we recognize there is a significant opportunity for Profrac to play a meaningful role in power generation. There has been a surge in demand for power generation capabilities in response to grid constraints and failures, AI driven computing power requirements and broader industrial scale electrification trends. As a result, we are making strategic investments around power generation and plan to be an active participant in the solution. As more fuel efficient technologies become the standard, our customers are increasingly requiring on demand power generation at the wellhead and diversifying into power generation is a natural organic growth area. In proppant production, we saw improvement from the trough in July 3Q3. Speaker 200:09:11However, markets continue to remain challenged. West Texas remains highly competitive. Additionally, our assets in the Haynesville were negatively impacted by subdued drilling and completion activity in the region. We anticipate Q4 results will be impacted by softening demand as we approach year end. We are actively managing costs while maintaining our strategic position across our mines and anticipate a recovery in activity in 2025, particularly in West Texas and South Texas. Speaker 200:09:41Further, Speaker 300:09:42we Speaker 200:09:42have a unique scaled position in Maynesville and are focused on increasing efficiencies to enhance profitability upon a potential recovery in activity. I'm proud of our team's execution and commitment to excellence despite a challenging market environment. In summary, we generated $575,000,000 of revenues, dollars 135,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA $31,000,000 of free cash flow despite a challenging market. We continue to fill new inbound requests for additional integrated fleet deployments with the highest demand for electric and Tier 4 dual fuel or DGV technologies. And as of today, approximately 3 quarters of active fleets utilize next generation technology. Speaker 200:10:28We continue to invest in our industry leading technologies that drive increased pump time and reduced non productive time. We are proactively retiring 400,000 legacy diesel burning horsepower that does not meet our reinvestment threshold. We have purposely reorganized our asset management program to ensure the quality of our Ready Line so that each incremental fleet meets our standards for quality and reliability. We successfully tested our internally designed and developed next generation EPON. We achieved our 3rd consecutive new quarterly record for efficiencies based on pump hours proactive fleet, a testament to the leading edge execution by our employees in the field. Speaker 200:11:12We have positioned Profrac to generate long term value for our stakeholders by delivering the most efficient solutions through vertically integrated in basin scaled offerings, leading edge service and a relentless focus on free cash flow generation through the cycle. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Latt. Thank you, Matt. Speaker 400:11:34I'll begin with an overview of our performance in each segment, starting with Pressure Pumping. I'm proud to report that we continued our quarterly trend of delivering record efficiency for our customers. Although the market environment was characterized by decreased activity and budget exhaustion, ProFrac achieved a record for pumping hours per fleet for the 3rd consecutive quarter. ProFrac's best performing fleets exceeded 22 hours per day. We continue to strive for excellence every day. Speaker 400:12:05Our performance is made possible through the operational improvements we've made internally and the emphasis we placed on our commercial strategy. Our asset management program has enabled us to not only turn around and rapidly redeploy fleets, but also positions us to respond as the market improves with well maintained assets that are ready to pump. We're strategically investing in our fleets and purposely holding back assets in this market on a ready line so that we're able to fill incremental demand as we progress through 2025. Our asset management program has also enabled us to reduce costs via more streamlined repair, maintenance and make ready procedures without sacrificing asset quality. Additionally, this program has also gained us deeper insight into the lifespan of our equipment. Speaker 400:13:00As Matt mentioned, we have recently conducted a preliminary review of our equipment and are proactively retiring approximately 400,000 horsepower of legacy diesel burning equipment. Asset quality dovetails with our commercial strategy. We continue to emphasize and partner with operators that value fulsome solutions versus ad hoc services. We are uniquely capable to tailor bespoke integrated completion solutions across the value chain that enable our customers to improve well economics and productivity at scale. With respect to activity, we were able to improve efficiencies, although operators began to slow drilling and completion activity through the quarter. Speaker 400:13:45Although our average active fleet count was up slightly and ahead of our expectations, we expect the 4th quarter to reflect more pronounced budget exhaustion and seasonality, negatively impacting both fleet count and efficiencies. Our proppant segment was impacted by prolonged weakness in natural gas related activity as well as increased competition in West Texas. While volumes increased from the trough in July, overall volumes were down relative to Q2. We anticipate that markets will remain challenged in Q4, impacting both volumes and pricing. We continue to take action to align our operating costs and capital investments with activity levels. Speaker 400:14:29In summary, although performance has come in below our expectations, we're actively repositioning Alpine to produce higher throughput, higher utilization and lower cost per ton as market fundamentals improve. Prudent active cost and capital management have been essential in 2024. Our platform leverages in basin scale and integrated solutions to deliver cost savings and efficiencies for our customers and improved returns for pro frac. We also continue to invest in our equipment, including next generation as well as existing assets in Q3. Additionally, we've successfully deployed power generation solutions to enable on demand power and to facilitate higher diesel displacement. Speaker 400:15:18We believe this will continue to be a growth area for operators as they seek to lower fuel cost. We believe attrition will continue to accelerate given the relative lack of investment and challenges that smaller competitors are facing. With our in house repair, maintenance and manufacturing capabilities, we are uniquely capable of servicing the full asset lifecycle internally, which enables us to not only maintain our fleets, but also to prepare for what we see as an increase in activity moving into next year. Our goal is to have ready to deploy fleets as the call on premium equipment unfolds. We pride ourselves on leading edge service and operational excellence throughout market cycles, partnering with operators to deliver efficiencies while generating cash flow. Speaker 400:16:11I want to thank our outstanding team for their hard work, dedication and commitment to safety. We have Speaker 500:16:18the best team in the industry and their focus on executing our differentiated strategy makes it possible for ProFrac to succeed every day. I'll now hand the call over to Austin to cover our financial results in more detail. Thanks, Lad. With respect to our Q3 results, revenues were slightly down sequentially to $575,000,000 We generated $135,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 23%. 3rd quarter adjusted EBITDA was essentially flat with Q2. Speaker 500:16:52Margins were negatively impacted by pricing pressures, albeit offset by operating cost reductions realized through the quarter. Free cash flow was $31,000,000 in the 3rd quarter, a decrease from the 2nd quarter largely driven by a more muted impact from asset sales. We continue to utilize cash to invest in our fleet, particularly next generation technologies, bespoke sand mine improvements and debt service obligations. Turning to our segments. Stimulation services revenues were up sequentially to $507,000,000 in the 3rd quarter. Speaker 500:17:27Average active fleet count increased slightly. However, pricing on equipment and materials partially offset some of those gains, resulting in a slight increase versus Q2. Adjusted EBITDA was $113,000,000 for the 3rd quarter, an improvement of approximately 5% versus Q2. Margins remained flat sequentially at 22%, which reflects cost management and response to pricing pressures and lower anticipated demand. This segment was impacted by approximately $6,700,000 in shortfall expense related to our supply agreement with Flotek compared to $8,400,000 in the prior quarter. Speaker 500:18:06Of note, we achieved mid teens EBITDA per fleet and allocated capital both to maintain and to upgrade our fleet. Although our simulation services results reflect sequential improvement, we anticipate a softer Q4 driven by an outsized impact from budget exhaustion and lower activity levels due to operator efficiency gains. The proppant production segment generated $53,000,000 of revenue in the 3rd quarter, representing a 24% sequential decline. The decline in revenue was primarily attributable to lower demand in natural gas regions coupled with a highly competitive market in West Texas, impacting both volumes and pricing. In response to these market conditions, we continue to execute initiatives to reduce both capital expenditures and operating costs to mitigate the impacts of lower cost absorption. Speaker 500:18:58Approximately 71% of volumes were sold to third party customers during the Q3 versus 75% in Q2. Adjusted EBITDA for the proppant production segment was $17,000,000 for the 3rd quarter, representing a 33% sequential decrease. Adjusted EBITDA margins decreased by approximately 400 basis points quarter over quarter to approximately 33%, largely due to lower cost absorption and a decline in average realized price per ton. Although activity levels increased off the trough in July, demand did not materialize as we had anticipated. We expect further softness in the Q4 due to budget exhaustion and seasonality that will continue to weigh on the proppant production segment's results. Speaker 500:19:44We anticipate improved commercial opportunities and a recovery in volumes in 2025 as activity begins to recover. The manufacturing segment generated 3rd quarter revenues of $62,000,000 up approximately 10% from the 2nd quarter. Approximately 80% of segment revenues were generated via intercompany sales. The increase in sales in the 3rd quarter was a result of increased fleet activity, including hours pumped and engine upgrades at Stimulation Services. Adjusted EBITDA for the manufacturing segment was approximately $100,000 for the quarter, which was flat with Q2. Speaker 500:20:21Selling, general and administrative expenses were $52,000,000 in the 3rd quarter compared to $54,000,000 in the 2nd quarter. The slight decrease was primarily driven by our continued emphasis on managing costs. Cash capital expenditures totaled $70,000,000 in the 3rd quarter, up approximately $8,000,000 from the prior quarter. In addition to activity driven maintenance, we invested in next generation equipment, including but not limited to dual fuel engines and e fleets in addition to bespoke mine upgrades at Alpine. We continue to prudently manage our capital allocation to more closely align with demand, while efficiently investing to maintain our active and ready line fleet of equipment in anticipation of improved activity in 2025. Speaker 500:21:07We expect to incur total capital expenditures during 2024 that are closer to the lower end of our previously disclosed guidance of between $150,000,000 $200,000,000 in maintenance capital expenditures and approximately $100,000,000 on growth related CapEx. Total cash and cash equivalents as of September 30 were $26,000,000 including $5,000,000 attributable to Flotek. Total liquidity at quarter end was approximately $109,000,000 including $89,000,000 available under the ABL. Borrowings under the ABL credit facility ended the quarter at $163,000,000 up approximately $13,000,000 from the prior quarter. Speaker 200:21:50At the end of Speaker 500:21:50the Q3, we had approximately $1,200,000,000 of debt outstanding. The majority of our debt does not mature until January 2029. We intend to utilize free cash flow in future periods to deleverage. As of September 30, we have repaid approximately $110,000,000 of long term debt in 2024. We look forward to continuing to execute on our strategic priorities, partnering with customers to provide leading edge integrated solutions, increasing efficiencies across the organization and generating free cash flow through the cycle. Speaker 500:22:25That concludes our formal remarks. Operator, please open the line for questions. Operator00:22:34Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now be conducting a question and answer session. Our first question comes from Saurabh Pant with Bank of America. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:23:16Hi, good morning, Matt, Ladd and Austin. Speaker 700:23:21Good morning. Good morning. Speaker 600:23:24Matt and Ladd, maybe I'll start with a question on maybe if you can share a little more color on your 2025 outlook because it was interesting. You were calling for a recovery and especially on the oil side of things. I think you noted both West Texas and South Texas in your prepared remarks. Can you share a little more color, Matt, on this? What exactly are you seeing? Speaker 300:23:45What are your customers telling? And what brings that confidence, especially on the oil side Speaker 600:23:45of things? And definitely Speaker 200:23:50a good start to the year, but it's on and definitely a good start to the year, but it's on a year over year basis, it will be flat to slightly down. Speaker 600:24:10Okay, okay. I got it. I got it. So part of it, it sounds like it's seasonal, right? The seasonal weakness late in the Q3, Q4 reverses early next year, right? Speaker 600:24:18At least part of it is that. Speaker 200:24:22That's right. Speaker 600:24:23Okay, perfect. And then one more on the interplay between pricing and cost management right now, because you've clearly done a good job in managing your cost, rightsizing your cost structure. And it sounded like you continue to do that both on the stimulation and I think particularly on the propane side. Can you talk to that dynamic, Matt, where pricing is going? It sounds like pricing continues to go down at least directionally, but you have, it sounds like more levels on the cost side. Speaker 600:24:52If you can talk about pricing and cost, what's in your control at this point? Speaker 200:24:58Certainly. Our vertical integration allows us much more control over our fixed costs, where utilization brings our cost structure down tremendously as we dilute it just through operating leverage. This is an advantage that we have in this market, in this industry and certainly comes in big help in environments like this. Pricing, it's very competitive out there. But when we go in, we look at what we can do from operating leverage and the overall footprint that we have, we certainly are seeing a benefit from it. Speaker 700:25:37Yes. And I would add, Sohrab, just the ability to control what we can control. When we think about controllable costs and when we think about operating leverage and leveraging efficiencies throughout the value chain. I echo what Matt said. We're uniquely capable of doing that because of our integrated model and because of the positions that we have throughout the value chain. Speaker 700:26:03So that's what we're focused on in a market environment like we have today. And with what we see in Q4 is let's control what we can control, be as efficient as possible. Not only does that help us in this market, but it also helps us on the operating leverage side as activity starts to come back next year. Speaker 600:26:26Got it, right. That all makes sense. And Austin, a quick one for you, if you don't mind. On the CapEx side of things for 2025, I know you're not giving a firm guidance right now, but how should we think about CapEx for 2025 between maintenance and some of the other upgrade and growth efforts that you might have for next year? Speaker 700:26:44Yes. I think it's really too early to tell right now. Sohrab. It's still early in the RFP season and we don't really even have any preliminary guidance to provide on the CapEx front. We'll have certainly a lot more color and detail on our next call. Speaker 600:27:07Okay. No, that's reasonable, Austin. Okay. Matt, Ladd, Austin, thank you. I'll turn it Operator00:27:14back. Thank you. The next question comes from Stephen Gengaro with Stifel. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:27:23Thanks. Good morning, everybody. Speaker 300:27:26Good morning, Speaker 800:27:27Stephen. A couple of things. A couple of them, can you talk about I mean, you talked about being strategic in your allocation of assets. I think you mentioned the mid teens EBITDA for the frac business in the quarter. That sort of seems to indicate 28 or 29 fleets working in the Q3. Speaker 800:27:48Just curious if you could give us a sense for that. And how are you currently balancing kind of pricing versus fleet deployments? Speaker 200:28:02Yes. We typically don't lean in and disclose exactly what our fleet count is, but that's not too materially off. But if we look at fleet deployments, look, whenever you've got something that's on the fence, you definitely want to see some little bit better pricing to reactivate it. And so our focus is to keep what we have working, keeping customers close and benefit from that operating leverage. However, as we see the market pick up, we think that supply and demand is a little bit higher than people realize just because of the attrition. Speaker 200:28:44When you have a market that drops from around 280, 290 fleets a little over a year ago to around the 200 to 210 range that it is now, everybody looks like heroes because you've consolidated the best equipment in the business and that stuff is still working. That's when you start adding fleets back that you start running into equipment issues because you've already consolidated the best assets in your business. This is also why we've gone in and taken a focused approach to our asset management and reorganized that part of the business to make sure that our next plus one fleet is the best fleet in the business because we want to make sure that the cyclical nature of this industry that we typically see from our peers isn't a characteristic that Pro Frac has going forward. Speaker 800:29:39Okay. Thank you. Your peers have all kind of suggested kind of a 10% -ish reduction in the Q4. I think last year you guys were it was a little softer for you. Should we think about that kind of a top line drop with sort of 30% decrementals as a starting point? Speaker 700:30:04Yes. I think, look, as you think about Q4 versus Q3, I think we'll see relatively consistent seasonality with respect to both STEM services and from the profit business. I think on the decremental side, I'd say that's from a preliminary perspective kind of in the ballpark. I mean, as know, we don't give formal guidance, but I think you're in the realm of possible outcomes there. Speaker 800:30:40Thank you. That's helpful. And 2 other quick ones. 1, on the proppant side, do you think the activation and the impact of Dune Express will have any material impact on your business next year? Speaker 200:30:56No, not at all. No, we think that this is a very competitive environment and we probably have the most surprise or upside on that side of the business and look forward to increasing scale on that as well as benefiting from the operating leverage. The portion of these same businesses, the way they operate has a much higher fixed cost structure nature to them with very little variable expense. And so we're looking forward to growing our customer base and increasing our volumes. And it doesn't take much to take a make a significant impact to the consolidated results. Speaker 200:31:45And so we're pretty excited about what we're doing with Alpine and the opportunities that are provided there. Speaker 800:31:53Thanks for the color. And if I could just slide in one more. You mentioned the power generation business and that's obviously hugely hot topic these days. Where can you give any more color kind of like on where exactly you play there? Is it just going to be in the oil patch? Speaker 800:32:10Are you looking at other opportunities? And kind of what are the assets you're using to get in that business aggressively? Speaker 200:32:20Certainly. When we look at our eFleet business, we've got a built in customer and believe we can de risk that business in ordinary course. But it obviously offers some opportunities to get into micro grid solutions for operators, for customers, as well as potentially pursuing the wider market outside of oil and gas. But right now, we just focus on derisking that business and satisfying our own internal needs and look forward to opportunities, way outside of that as they are presented. Speaker 800:33:01Great. Thanks for the color, gentlemen. Speaker 200:33:05Thank you. Thanks. Speaker 400:33:07Thank you. Operator00:33:19The next question is from the line of Sean Mitchell with Daniel Energy Partners. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:33:26Hey guys, thanks for taking the question. It would seem as it pays for the operator for a resume completions and start working through some of the docks sometime next year. How much of an update in activity would you expect to see in the Haynesville? As a follow-up maybe given your large sand operation in that basin, tell us how we should think about localized volumes and localized sand prices this time next year versus today? What are your thoughts around that? Speaker 200:33:55Yes, it's difficult to say. I mean, I think so much plays on weather as well as construction schedules and timelines for LNG offtake. Certainly, we'd love to see gas rebound and see healthier customers on that side that are a little bit more comfortable with increased activities. But we've settled in. We're defending our footprint in these markets and think that commitment will pay off in the long term and certainly believe that this is the catalyst that I think will bring the OFS market back. Speaker 200:34:37But look, we don't want to jump the gun, get too early build in too many expectations for what the gas market is going to do. But I think being patient, working with our customers, focusing on creating value for them and we see a recovery in gas. We'll be really happy to see that. As for how many DUCs, it's hard to say. I'd hope that they would increase activity, but right now we're settled in for as long as it takes to just hunker down and stick with these markets. Speaker 700:35:16Yes, I think the one thing Sean is that ProFrac is committed to being a balanced portfolio between liquids and natural gas. And we've made real investments there. And not only that, I mean, the company has a strong history and competitive advantages operating on HPHT wells going back for many years. And we're highly efficient in those markets. We're committed to those markets and we're going to be there when the recovery comes. Speaker 300:35:48Got it. Thanks guys. Happy Election Day. Speaker 700:35:54Thanks. Likewise. Operator00:35:57Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I would now like to hand the conference over to Matt Mills for closing comments. Speaker 200:36:10We appreciate everybody joining our call today and look forward to delivering another good quarter and look forward to 2025. Thanks for joining this call and get out and vote. Operator00:36:28Thank you. This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you forRead morePowered by