ProFrac Q3 2024 Earnings Report

ProFrac EPS Results

• Actual EPS: -$46.40
• Consensus EPS: -$0.14
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$46.26
• One Year Ago EPS: -$0.09

ProFrac Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $575.30 million
• Expected Revenue: $538.55 million
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$36.75 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: N/A

ProFrac Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q3 2024
• Date: 11/6/2024
• Time: Before Market Opens
• Conference Call Date: Tuesday, November 5, 2024
• Conference Call Time: 11:00AM ET

ProFrac (NASDAQ:ACDC) operates as a technology-focused energy services holding company in the United States. It operates through three segments: Stimulation Services, Manufacturing, and Proppant Production. The company offers hydraulic fracturing, well stimulation, in-basin frac sand, and other completion services and complementary products and services to upstream oil and natural gas companies engaged in the exploration and production of unconventional oil and natural gas resources. It also manufactures and sells high horsepower pumps, valves, piping, swivels, large-bore manifold systems, and fluid ends. ProFrac Holding Corp. was founded in 2016 and is headquartered in Willow Park, Texas.

ProFrac Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• In Q3 ProFrac generated $575M in revenue, $135M of adjusted EBITDA and $31M of free cash flow, setting new quarterly operating efficiency records.
• About 75% of active fleets now use next‐generation eFleet and dual‐fuel technology, with successful internal testing of new electric pumps driving strong customer demand.
• The proppant production segment saw a 24% sequential revenue decline to $53M and a 400 bp drop in EBITDA margin, with continued weakness expected in Q4.
• Management expects softer Q4 activity due to operator budget exhaustion and seasonality, potentially applying downward pressure on fleet counts and efficiency.
• ProFrac is retiring 400,000 HP of legacy diesel frac pumps that fail reinvestment criteria and has reorganized its asset management to ensure each deployed fleet meets high quality standards.

Presentation

[Operator]

Ladies and gentlemen, greetings and welcome to the ProFrac Holding Corp Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star and zero on the telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.

[Operator]

It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Michael Messina, Director of Finance. Please go ahead.

[Michael Messina, Director of Finance at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Thank you, Operator. Good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us for ProFrac Holding Corp's conference call and webcast to review our third quarter 2024 results. With me today are Matt Wilks, Executive Chairman, Ladd Wilks, Chief Executive Officer, and Austin Harbour, Chief Financial Officer. Following my remarks, management will provide high-level commentary on the operational and financial highlights of the third quarter before opening the call up to your questions. A replay of today's call will be available by webcast on the company's website at pfholdingscorp.com, and a telephonic recording will be available until November 12th, 2024. More information on how to access these replay features is included in the company's earnings release.

[Michael Messina, Director of Finance at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Please note that information reported on this call speaks only as of today, November 5th, 2024, and therefore, you are advised that any time-sensitive information may no longer be accurate as of the time of any replay listening or transcript reading. Also, comments on this call may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the United States Federal Securities Laws, including management's expectations of future financial and business performance. These forward-looking statements reflect the current views of ProFrac's management and are not guarantees of future performance. Various risks, uncertainties, and contingencies could cause actual results, performance, or achievements to differ materially from those expressed in management's forward-looking statements.

[Michael Messina, Director of Finance at ProFrac Holding Corp]

The listener or reader is encouraged to read ProFrac's Form 10-K and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which can be found at sec.gov or on the company's Investor Relations website section under the SEC Filings tab, to understand those risks, uncertainties, and contingencies. The comments today also include certain non-GAAP financial measures, as well as other adjusted figures to exclude the contribution of Flotek. Additional details and reconciliations to the most directly comparable consolidated and GAAP financial measures are included in the quarterly earnings press release, which can be found on the company's website.

[Michael Messina, Director of Finance at ProFrac Holding Corp]

And now, I'd like to turn the call over to ProFrac's Executive Chairman, Mr. Matt Wilks.

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Thank you, Michael, and good morning, everyone. After my prepared remarks, Ladd Wilks will comment further on the performance of our subsidiaries, and Austin will walk through our financial performance. In the third quarter, ProFrac delivered strong results with revenue of $575 million and adjusted EBITDA of $135 million. We continued our recent quarterly trend of setting new operating efficiency records and delivering leading performance for our customers amidst challenging market dynamics. As we have previously highlighted, ProFrac's leading position throughout the completions value chain enables us to deliver robust financial and operational performance through the cycle. Further, we continue to execute on our commercial strategy to partner with operators that value integrated, highly efficient solutions at scale.

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

ProFrac's third quarter performance is underpinned by our record-setting efficiency per active fleet, a testament to the quality of our people and our commitment to safety, efficiency, and leading customer service. In addition to consistent improvement in service quality at the wellhead, I'm also proud of the team's commitment to servicing, maintaining, and upgrading fleets. The company's internal R&D, manufacturing, and maintenance capabilities are an integral element of our strategy. Simply put, we are able to repair, service, and redeploy fleets rapidly as the market ebbs and flows. Our internal research, design, and development capabilities provide a comprehensive platform to drive commercial innovation. Of note, we are pleased to report that we have successfully tested our newest generation of electric pumps, which was internally designed and developed.

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

ProFrac is also testing a novel software platform providing unique insights into not only pumping performance but also well performance during live completion operations. While this solution remains subject to further refinement, initial feedback from potential enhancements in operational and maintenance performance are promising. We expect to have more details to share in the future. We manage assets such that the next available fleet in our portfolio is positioned to deliver leading-edge performance while minimizing non-productive time. We are starting to witness equipment attrition across the industry and believe this trend will accelerate in the future. This is driven by lower relative equipment investment, increased hours per fleet and per component, and a lack of new entrants due to limited availability of capital.

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

We believe these characteristics are influencing current supply and demand dynamics and believe that attrition may impact efficiencies as incremental activity unfolds. Our equipment, as well as equipment across the industry, have and continue to pump more hours than ever before, resulting in an accelerated reinvestment cycle. At ProFrac, we expect this trend to continue and will prudently manage our portfolio of assets and capital allocation with a returns-focused mindset.

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Following a preliminary review of our assets, we have identified approximately 400,000 horsepower of legacy diesel-burning frac pumps that we are proactively retiring because they do not meet our reinvestment thresholds. Concurrently, ProFrac has strategically allocated capital both to maintain and to improve our fleet. Further, we have purposely reorganized our asset management program to ensure the quality of our ready line. Our goal is for each incremental fleet to be the best fleet in our portfolio. Simply put, every fleet we deploy meets ProFrac's high standard of quality and reliability. The partnership model that we share with our customers and the integrated solutions that we provide are the core of our value proposition. As we have discussed previously, we believe our integrated model provides a unique competitive advantage to ProFrac throughout various market cycles.

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

For example, as operators consolidate, they increasingly favor service companies that can provide integrated solutions at the pad. Given ProFrac's leading position throughout the completion's value chain and our strategic ability to add scale in the most active basins in the U.S., we can take advantage of opportunities in a rapidly evolving marketplace. Looking forward, we expect to continue to invest in next-generation equipment that displaces diesel. We recognize that this technology is the future. Demand for our e-fleets and our dual-fuel or dynamic gas blending assets that utilize natural gas as the primary fuel source remains strong, and we continue to make progress on fleet upgrades. Today, approximately three-quarters of our active fleets include e-fleet or natural gas-capable equipment.

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Of note, our e-fleets are all active in Q4 despite market headwinds. Our ability to provide customers with significant fuel savings, high reliability, and efficient operations have made our next-generation assets highly sought after and a critical part of our service offerings. As we mentioned last quarter, we recognize there is a significant opportunity for ProFrac to play a meaningful role in power generation. There has been a surge in demand for power generation capabilities in response to grid constraints and failures, AI-driven computing power requirements, and broader industrial-scale electrification trends. As a result, we are making strategic investments around power generation and plan to be an active participant in the solution.

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

As more fuel-efficient technologies become the standard, our customers are increasingly requiring on-demand power generation at the wellhead and diversifying into power generation as a natural organic growth area. In Proppant Production, we saw improvement from the trough in July through Q3. However, markets continue to remain challenged. West Texas remains highly competitive. Additionally, our assets in the Haynesville Shale were negatively impacted by subdued drilling and completion activity in the region. We anticipate the Q4 results will be impacted by softening demand as we approach year-end. We are actively managing costs while maintaining our strategic position across our mines and anticipate a recovery in activity in 2025, particularly in West Texas and South Texas.

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Further, we have a unique scaled position in the Haynesville Shale and are focused on increasing efficiencies to enhance profitability upon a potential recovery in activity. I'm proud of our team's execution and commitment to excellence despite a challenging market environment. In summary, we generated $575 million of revenues, $135 million of adjusted EBITDA, and $31 million of free cash flow despite a challenging market. We continue to field new inbound requests for additional integrated fleet deployments with the highest demand for electric and Tier 4 dual-fuel or DGB technologies. And as of today, approximately three-quarters of active fleets utilize next-generation technology.

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

We continue to invest in our industry-leading technologies that drive increased pump time and reduced non-productive time. We are proactively retiring 400,000 legacy diesel-burning horsepower that does not meet our reinvestment thresholds. We have purposely reorganized our asset management program to ensure the quality of our ready line so that each incremental fleet meets our standards for quality and reliability. We successfully tested our internally designed and developed next-generation e-pump. We achieved our third consecutive new quarterly record for efficiencies based on pump hours per active fleet, a testament to the leading-edge execution by our employees in the field.

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

We have positioned ProFrac to generate long-term value for our stakeholders by delivering the most efficient solutions through vertically integrated in-base and scaled offerings, leading-edge service, and a relentless focus on free cash flow generation through the cycle.

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

And with that, I'll turn the call over to Ladd.

[Ladd Wilks, CEO at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Thank you, Matt. I'll begin with an overview of our performance in each segment, starting with pressure pumping. I'm proud to report that we continued our quarterly trend of delivering record efficiencies for our customers. Although the market environment was characterized by decreased activity and budget exhaustion, ProFrac achieved a record for pumping hours per fleet for the third consecutive quarter. ProFrac's best-performing fleets exceeded 22 hours per day. We continue to strive for excellence every day. Our performance is made possible through the operational improvements we've made internally and the emphasis we've placed on our commercial strategy. Our asset management program has enabled us to not only turn around and rapidly redeploy fleets but also positions us to respond as the market improves with well-maintained assets that are ready to pump.

[Ladd Wilks, CEO at ProFrac Holding Corp]

We're strategically investing in our fleets and purposely holding back assets in this market on a ready line so that we're able to fill incremental demand as we progress through 2025. Our asset management program has also enabled us to reduce costs via more streamlined repair, maintenance, and make-ready procedures without sacrificing asset quality. Additionally, this program has also gained us deeper insight into the lifespan of our equipment. As Matt mentioned, we have recently conducted a preliminary review of our equipment and are proactively retiring approximately 400,000 horsepower of legacy diesel-burning equipment. Asset quality dovetails with our commercial strategy. We continue to emphasize and partner with operators that value fulsome solutions versus ad hoc services.

[Ladd Wilks, CEO at ProFrac Holding Corp]

We are uniquely capable to tailor bespoke integrated completion solutions across the value chain that enable our customers to improve well economics and productivity at scale. With respect to activity, we were able to improve efficiencies, although operators began to slow drilling and completion activity through the quarter. Although our average active fleet count was up slightly and ahead of our expectations, we expect the fourth quarter to reflect more pronounced budget exhaustion and seasonality, negatively impacting both fleet count and efficiencies.

[Ladd Wilks, CEO at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Our Proppant segment was impacted by prolonged weakness in natural gas-related activity, as well as increased competition in West Texas. While volumes increased from the trough in July, overall volumes were down relative to Q2. We anticipate that markets will remain challenged in Q4, impacting both volumes and pricing. We continue to take action to align our operating costs and capital investments with activity levels. In summary, although performance has come in below our expectations, we're actively repositioning Alpine to produce higher throughput, higher utilization, and lower cost per ton as market fundamentals improve.

[Ladd Wilks, CEO at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Prudent, active cost and capital management have been essential in 2024. Our platform leverages in-basin scale and integrated solutions to deliver cost savings and efficiencies for our customers and improved returns for ProFrac. We also continue to invest in our equipment, including next-generation as well as existing assets in Q3. Additionally, we've successfully deployed power generation solutions to enable on-demand power and to facilitate higher diesel displacement. We believe this will continue to be a growth area for operators as they seek to lower fuel costs. We believe attrition will continue to accelerate given the relative lack of investment and challenges that smaller competitors are facing.

[Ladd Wilks, CEO at ProFrac Holding Corp]

With our in-house repair, maintenance, and manufacturing capabilities, we are uniquely capable of servicing the full asset lifecycle internally, which enables us to not only maintain our fleets but also to prepare for what we see as an increase in activity moving into next year. Our goal is to have ready-to-deploy fleets as the call on premium equipment unfolds. We pride ourselves on leading-edge service and operational excellence throughout market cycles, partnering with operators to deliver efficiencies while generating cash flow. I want to thank our outstanding team for their hard work, dedication, and commitment to safety. We have the best team in the industry, and their focus on executing our differentiated strategy makes it possible for ProFrac to succeed every day.

[Ladd Wilks, CEO at ProFrac Holding Corp]

I'll now hand the call over to Austin to cover our financial results in more detail.

[Austin Harbour, CFO at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Thanks, Ladd. With respect to our third quarter results, revenues were slightly down sequentially to $575 million. We generated $135 million of adjusted EBITDA with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 23%. Third quarter adjusted EBITDA was essentially flat with Q2. Margins were negatively impacted by pricing pressures, albeit offset by operating cost reductions realized through the quarter. Free cash flow was $31 million in the third quarter, a decrease from the second quarter largely driven by a more muted impact from asset sales. We continue to utilize cash to invest in our fleet, particularly next-generation technologies, bespoke sand mine improvements, and debt service obligations.

[Austin Harbour, CFO at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Turning to our segments, Stimulation Services revenues were up sequentially to $507 million in the third quarter. Average active fleet count increased slightly. However, pricing on equipment and materials partially offset some of those gains, resulting in a slight increase versus Q2. Adjusted EBITDA was $113 million for the third quarter, an improvement of approximately 5% versus Q2. Margins remained flat sequentially at 22%, which reflects cost management and response to pricing pressures and lower anticipated demand. This segment was impacted by approximately $6.7 million in shortfall expense related to our supply agreement with Flotek, compared to $8.4 million in the prior quarter.

[Austin Harbour, CFO at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Of note, we achieved mid-teens EBITDA per fleet and allocated capital both to maintain and to upgrade our fleet. Although our Stimulation Services results reflect sequential improvement, we anticipate a softer fourth quarter driven by an outsized impact from budget exhaustion and lower activity levels due to operator efficiency gains.

[Austin Harbour, CFO at ProFrac Holding Corp]

The Proppant Production segment generated $53 million of revenue in the third quarter, representing a 24% sequential decline. The decline in revenue was primarily attributable to lower demand in natural gas regions coupled with a highly competitive market in West Texas, impacting both volumes and pricing. In response to these market conditions, we continue to execute initiatives to reduce both capital expenditures and operating costs to mitigate the impacts of lower cost absorption. Approximately 71% of volumes were sold to third-party customers during the third quarter versus 75% in Q2. Adjusted EBITDA for the Proppant Production segment was $17 million for the third quarter, representing a 33% sequential decrease. Adjusted EBITDA margins decreased by approximately 400 basis points quarter over quarter to approximately 33%, largely due to lower cost absorption and a decline in average realized price per ton.

[Austin Harbour, CFO at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Although activity levels increased off the trough in July, demand did not materialize as we had anticipated. We expect further softness in the fourth quarter due to budget exhaustion and seasonality that will continue to weigh on the Proppant Production segment's results. We anticipate improved commercial opportunities and a recovery in volumes in 2025 as activity begins to recover. The Manufacturing segment generated third quarter revenues of $62 million, up approximately 10% from the second quarter. Approximately 80% of segment revenues were generated via intercompany sales. The increase in sales in the third quarter was a result of increased fleet activity, including hours pumped and engine upgrades at Stimulation Services.

[Austin Harbour, CFO at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Adjusted EBITDA for the Manufacturing segment was approximately $100,000 for the quarter, which was flat with Q2. Selling general and administrative expenses were $52 million in the third quarter, compared to $54 million in the second quarter. The slight decrease was primarily driven by our continued emphasis on managing costs. Cash capital expenditures totaled $70 million in the third quarter, up approximately $8 million from the prior quarter. In addition to activity-driven maintenance, we invested in next-generation equipment, including but not limited to dual-fuel engines and e-fleets, in addition to bespoke mine upgrades at Alpine. We continue to prudently manage our capital allocation to more closely align with demand while efficiently investing to maintain our active and ready line fleet of equipment in anticipation of improved activity in 2025.

[Austin Harbour, CFO at ProFrac Holding Corp]

We expect to incur total capital expenditures during 2024 that are closer to the lower end of our previously disclosed guidance of between $150 million and $200 million in maintenance capital expenditures and approximately $100 million on growth-related CapEx. Total cash and cash equivalents as of September 30 were $26 million, including $5 million attributable to Flotek.

[Austin Harbour, CFO at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Total liquidity at quarter end was approximately $109 million, including $89 million available under the ABL. Borrowings under the ABL credit facility ended the quarter at $163 million, up approximately $13 million from the prior quarter. At the end of the third quarter, we had approximately $1.2 billion of debt outstanding. The majority of our debt does not mature until January 2029. We intend to utilize free cash flow in future periods to deleverage. As of September 30, we have repaid approximately $110 million of long-term debt in 2024. We look forward to continuing to execute on our strategic priorities, partnering with customers to provide leading-edge integrated solutions, increasing efficiencies across the organization, and generating free cash flow through the cycle.

[Austin Harbour, CFO at ProFrac Holding Corp]

That concludes our formal remarks. Operator, please open the line for questions.

[Operator]

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star and one on a telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star and two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while we poll for questions. Our first question comes from Saurabh Pant with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

[Saurabh Pant, Energy Equity Research at Bank of America]

Hi. Good morning, Matt, Ladd, and Austin.

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Good morning.

[Ladd Wilks, CEO at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Good morning.

[Saurabh Pant, Energy Equity Research at Bank of America]

Matt and Ladd, maybe I'll start with a question on maybe if you can share a little more color on your 2025 outlook because it was interesting. You were calling for a recovery, and especially on the oil side of things. I think you noted both West Texas and South Texas in your prepared remarks. Can you share a little more color, Matt, on this? What exactly are you seeing? What are your customers telling, and what brings that confidence, especially on the oil side of things?

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Definitely. When we look at South Texas as well as West Texas, we see Q1 picking up from Q4 and Q3 levels. And definitely a good start to the year, but on a year-over-year basis, it'll be flat to slightly down.

[Saurabh Pant, Energy Equity Research at Bank of America]

Okay. I got it. I got it. So part of it, it sounds like it's seasonal, right? The seasonal weakness late in the third quarter, fourth quarter reverses early next year, right? At least part of it is that.

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

That's right.

[Saurabh Pant, Energy Equity Research at Bank of America]

Okay. Perfect. And then one more on the interplay between pricing and cost management right now because you've clearly done a good job in managing your cost, right? Setting your cost structure, and it sounded like you continue to do that both on the stimulation and I think particularly on the Proppant. Can you talk to that dynamic, Matt, where pricing is going? It sounds like pricing continues to go down at least directionally, but you have, it sounds like, more levers on the cost side. If you can talk about pricing and cost, what's in your control at this point?

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Certainly. Our vertical integration allows us much more control over our fixed costs, where utilization brings our cost structure down tremendously as we dilute it just through operating leverage. This is an advantage that we have in this market, in this industry, and certainly comes in big help in environments like this. Pricing, it's very competitive out there, but when we go in, we look at what we can do from operating leverage and the overall footprint that we have. We certainly are seeing a benefit from it.

[Ladd Wilks, CEO at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Yeah, and I would add, Saurabh, just the ability to control what we can control when we think about controllable costs and when we think about operating leverage and leveraging efficiencies throughout the value chain. I echo what Matt said. We're uniquely capable of doing that because of our integrated model and because of the positions that we have throughout the value chain. That's what we're focused on in a market environment like we have today, and with what we see in Q4, let's control what we can control and be as efficient as possible. Not only does that help us in this market, but it also helps us on the operating leverage side as activity starts to come back next year.

[Saurabh Pant, Energy Equity Research at Bank of America]

Right. No, that all makes sense. And Austin, a quick one for you, if you don't mind, on the CapEx side of things for 2025. I know you're not giving a firm guidance right now, but how should we think about CapEx for 2025 between maintenance and some of the other upgrade and growth efforts that you might have for next year?

[Austin Harbour, CFO at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Yeah. I think really too early to tell right now. Saurabh, it's still early in the RFP season, and we don't really even have any preliminary guidance to provide on the CapEx front. We'll have certainly a lot more color and detail on our next call.

[Saurabh Pant, Energy Equity Research at Bank of America]

Okay. No, that's reasonable, Austin. Okay. Matt, Ladd, Austin, thank you. I'll turn it back.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question comes from Stephen Gengaro with Stifel, please go ahead.

[Stephen Gengaro, Managing Director at Stifel]

Thanks. Good morning, everybody.

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Good morning.

[Stephen Gengaro, Managing Director at Stifel]

A couple of things. Can you talk about, I mean, you talked about being strategic in your allocation of assets, and I think you mentioned a mid-teens EBITDA for the frac business in the quarter. That sort of seems to indicate 28 or 29 fleets working in the third quarter. Just curious if you could give us a sense for that, and how are you currently balancing kind of pricing versus fleet deployments?

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Yeah. We typically don't lean in and disclose exactly what our fleet count is, but that's not too materially off. But if we look at fleet deployments, look, whenever you've got something that's on the fence, you definitely want to see a little bit better pricing to reactivate it. And so our focus is to keep what we have working, keeping customers close, and benefit from that operating leverage. However, as we see the market pick up, we think that supply and demand is a little bit tighter than people realize just because of the attrition. When you have a market that drops from around 280-290 fleets a little over a year ago to around the 200-210 range that it is now, everybody looks like heroes because you've consolidated the best equipment in the business, and that stuff is still working.

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

It's when you start adding fleets back that you start running into equipment issues because you've already consolidated the best assets in your business. This is also why we've gone in and taken a focused approach to our asset management and reorganized that part of the business to make sure that our next plus one fleet is the best fleet in the business because we want to make sure that the cyclical nature of this industry that we typically see from our peers isn't a characteristic that ProFrac has going forward.

[Stephen Gengaro, Managing Director at Stifel]

Okay. Thank you. Your peers have all kind of suggested kind of a 10%-ish reduction in the fourth quarter. I think last year you guys were. It was a little softer for you. Should we think about that kind of a top-line drop with sort of 30% decrementals as a starting point?

[Ladd Wilks, CEO at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Yeah. I think, look, as you think about Q4 versus Q3, I think we'll see relatively consistent seasonality with respect to both Stimulation Services and from the Proppant business. I think on the decremental side, I'd say that's from a preliminary perspective, kind of in the ballpark. I mean, as you know, we don't give formal guidance, but I think you're in the realm of possible outcomes there.

[Stephen Gengaro, Managing Director at Stifel]

Thank you. That's helpful. And two other quick ones. One, on the Proppant, do you think the activation and the impact of Dune Express will have any material impact on your business next year?

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

No, not at all. No. We think that this is a very competitive environment, and we probably have the most surprise or upside on that side of the business and look forward to increasing scale on that as well as benefiting from the operating leverage. The portion of Basin businesses, the way they operate, has a much higher fixed cost nature to them with very little variable expense. And so we're looking forward to growing our customer base and increasing our volumes. And it doesn't take much to make a significant impact to the consolidated results. And so we're pretty excited about what we're doing with Alpine and the opportunities that are provided there.

[Stephen Gengaro, Managing Director at Stifel]

Thanks for the color, and if I could just slide in one more. You mentioned the power generation business, and that's obviously a hugely hot topic these days. Can you give any more color kind of on where exactly you play there? Is it just going to be in the oil patch? Are you looking at other opportunities, and kind of what are the assets you're using to get in that business aggressively?

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Certainly. When we look at our e-fleet business, we've got a built-in customer and believe we can de-risk that business in ordinary course. But it obviously offers some opportunities to get into microgrid solutions for operators, for customers, as well as potentially pursuing the wider market outside of oil and gas. But right now, we just focus on de-risking that business and satisfying our own internal needs and look forward to opportunities well outside of that as they are presented.

[Stephen Gengaro, Managing Director at Stifel]

Great. No, thanks for the color, gentlemen.

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Thank you.

[Ladd Wilks, CEO at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Thanks.

[Operator]

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, before we take the next question, a reminder to all participants that you may press star and one to ask a question. The next question is from the line of Sean Mitchell with Daniel Energy Partners. Please go ahead.

[Sean Mitchell, Managing Partner at Daniel Energy Partners]

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the question. It would seem as if Haynesville operators will resume completions and start working through some of their DUCs sometime next year. How much of an update in activity would you expect to see in Haynesville? As a follow-up, maybe given your large sand operation in that basin, tell us how we should think about localized volumes and localized sand prices this time, next year versus today. Kind of what are your thoughts around that?

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Yeah. It's difficult to say. I mean, I think so much plays on weather as well as construction schedules and timelines for LNG offtake. Certainly, would love to see gas rebound and see healthier customers on that side that are a little bit more comfortable with increased activities. But we've settled in. We're defending our footprint in these markets and think that that commitment will pay off in the long term and certainly believe that this is the catalyst that I think will bring the OFS market back. But look, we don't want to jump the gun, get too overly, build in too many expectations for what the gas market's going to do. But I think being patient and working with our customers, focusing on creating value for them. And we see a recovery in gas. We'll be really, really happy to see that.

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

As for how many DUCs, it's hard to say. I'd hope that they would increase activity, but right now, we're settled in for as long as it takes to just hunker down and stick with these markets.

[Austin Harbour, CFO at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Yeah. I think the important thing, Sean, is that ProFrac's committed to being a balanced portfolio between liquids and natural gas. And we've made real investments there. And not only that, I mean, the company has a strong history and competitive advantages operating on HPHT wells going back for many years. And we're highly efficient in those markets. We're committed to those markets, and we're going to be there when the recovery comes.

[Sean Mitchell, Managing Partner at Daniel Energy Partners]

Got it. Thanks, guys. Happy election day.

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

Thanks. Likewise.

[Operator]

Thank you. This concludes the question and answer session. I would now like to hand the conference over to Matt Wilks for closing comments.

[Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman at ProFrac Holding Corp]

We appreciate everybody joining our call today, and I look forward to delivering another good quarter, and I look forward to 2025. Thanks for joining this call, and get out and vote.

[Operator]

Thank you. This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your.

Participants

Executives

• Michael Messina, Director of Finance
• Ladd Wilks, CEO
• Austin Harbour, CFO
• Matthew Wilks, Executive Chairman

Analysts

• Saurabh Pant, Energy Equity Research at Bank of America
• Stephen Gengaro, Managing Director at Stifel
• Sean Mitchell, Managing Partner at Daniel Energy Partners