Agree Realty Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Fortress balance sheet: $1 billion of total liquidity, no material debt maturities until 2028, and pro forma net debt/EBITDA of 4.3× with an S&P BBB positive outlook.
  • Positive Sentiment: Strong earnings growth: Q4 core FFO per share rose 3.4% and AFFO per share rose 5.2% year-over-year, with full-year AFFO per share up 3.1%, funding a dividend yield above 5% and a 2.9% annual increase.
  • Neutral Sentiment: Disciplined deployment: The company expects over 3% AFFO per share growth in 2024 on a “do nothing” scenario, with $500 million of leverage-neutral buying power and a strict 100 bp risk-adjusted spread threshold.
  • Positive Sentiment: Q4 acquisitions: Invested $187 million in 50 net-lease retail properties at a 7.2% average cap rate—up 30 bps from Q3—with 71% of rents from investment-grade tenants and cap rates above 7% for the first time since 2019.
  • Positive Sentiment: Robust portfolio fundamentals: 99.8% occupancy, record 69% investment-grade tenant exposure, and sale-leaseback activity rose to one-third of total acquisitions in 2023.
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Earnings Conference Call
Agree Realty Q4 2023
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There are 15 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Agree Realty 4th Quarter This event is being recorded today. I would now like to turn the conference over to Brian Hawthorne, Director of Corporate Finance. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for Agree Realty's 4th Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. Before turning the call over to Joey and Peter to discuss our results for the quarter, let me first run through the cautionary language. Please note that during this call, we will make certain statements that may be considered forward looking under federal securities law. Our actual results may differ significantly from the matters discussed in any forward looking statements for a number of reasons.

Speaker 1

Please see yesterday's earnings release and our SEC filings, including our latest Annual Report on Form 10 ks for a discussion of various risks and uncertainties underlying our forward looking statements. In addition, we discuss non GAAP financial measures, including core funds from operations or core FFO, adjusted funds from operations or AFFO and net debt to recurring EBITDA. Reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measures to the most directly GAAP measures can be found in our earnings release, website and SEC filings. I'll now turn the call over to Joey.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Brian. Good morning and thank you all for joining us today. I'm pleased to report that 2023 was another strong year for our company. Looking back on the past year, we executed several strategic initiatives that positioned our company for continued success. In anticipation of capital markets volatility, we pre amortized our balance sheet in the Q4 of 2022 with $560,000,000 of forward equity raised at a net price of just over $67.50 While at the time, many thought our mindset was conservative, We were confident that while interest rates rose rapidly, cap rates would be slow to exhibit expansion in our large, illiquid and fragmented space.

Speaker 2

We were determined to avoid deviating from our core strategy for providing debt financing, expanding into new verticals or going up the risk curve either via credit or tenant concentrations. Instead, we continue to execute our discipline and time tested strategy investing in the country's biggest and best retailers. Those that have the balance sheet to invest in price, labor and fulfillment, while creating a unique value proposition for customers. While the performance of our stock has certainly been frustrating, we have not wavered. Management and our tremendous Board of Directors put their money where their mouths are almost $12,000,000 of insider purchases during 2023.

Speaker 2

Net lease is a long term business. We believe in consistency, reliability and quality of cash flows will ultimately lead to outperformance. While we can't control macroeconomic volatility, We can execute with the mindset of value creation, not simply short term earnings accretion. The days of free money and ubiquitous capital were behind us, Wixdomains a strong and strategic change in capital allocation philosophy. We have seen the result of investing in de minimis spreads.

Speaker 2

It drives little to no AFFO per share growth. In this new economic paradigm, our focus is on achieving outsized investment spreads and the best risk adjusted opportunities, not simply aggregating volume. We will not grow the denominator without driving meaningful AFFO per share growth, nor will we move up the risk curve to create short term opportunities and growth. We are laser focused on allocating capital in a disciplined manner to drive growth that is sustainable. On last quarter's call, we outlined a do nothing scenario in which we would drive over 3% AFFO per share growth in 2024 with conservative assumptions and the absence of external growth.

Speaker 2

With over $235,000,000 of forward equity raise at the end of the year and anticipated free cash flow of approximately $100,000,000 We have visibility beyond the do nothing scenario. We can invest approximately $500,000,000 this year on a leverage neutral basis, excluding any disposition proceeds and without the need for any additional equity capital. Most importantly, we remain nimble and opportunistic, ensuring we are well positioned to capitalize on the opportunities as we uncover them. With over $1,000,000,000 of total liquidity, In the outstanding forward equity raise in the 4th quarter, we have ample runway and complete optionality. In addition, we have no material debt until 2028 and pro form a net debt to EBITDA stood at just 4.3 times at year end.

Speaker 2

Our fortress balance sheet is paired with a best in class portfolio and our record investment grade exposure of over 69% provides for highly durable cash flows in today's dynamic environment. The strength of our balance sheet and the quality of our portfolio are evidenced by the positive outlook that S placed on our BBB credit rating last week. We believe that our credit metrics are emblematic of a higher rated company And the positive outlook is another step in gaining recognition for the manner in which we operate our company and manage our balance sheet. Moving on to our standard update. This past quarter, we worked through significant market turbulence and ultimately invested nearly $200,000,000 in 70 high quality retail net leased properties across our 3 external growth platforms.

Speaker 2

This included the acquisition of 50 properties for over $187,000,000 The properties acquired during the Q4 leased to leading operators in sectors including home improvement, farm and roll supply, off price, tire and auto service as well as convenience stores. As our 4th quarter activity demonstrated, we can continue to push cap rates higher Piercing 7% for the first time since 2019. The acquired properties had a weighted average cap rate of 7.2%, a 30 basis point expansion relative to the 3rd quarter and 80 basis points higher than the prior year. The weighted average lease term was 10.1 years and approximately 71% of annualized base rents were derived from investment grade retailers. We acquired 7 ground leases during the quarter, representing approximately $30,000,000 or 14.8% of total acquisition volume for the quarter.

Speaker 2

In 2023, we invested more than $1,300,000,000 in 319 retail net lease properties spanning 41 states. We continue to leverage all three external growth platforms to find compelling risk adjusted opportunities. For the full year, nearly 74% of the annualized base rents acquired were from investment grade retailers, while ground leases represented almost 9% of rents acquired. Notably, we increased sale leaseback activity in 2023, partnering with leading operators in the farm and rural and convenience store sectors. Sale leasebacks represented 1 third of our acquisition activity in 2023 compared to just over 10% in the year prior, further demonstrating our ability to be a full service comprehensive real estate solution for our retail partners.

Speaker 2

Switching to our development and DFP platforms, we had a record year with 37 projects either completed or under construction, representing approximately $150,000,000 of committed capital. We're continuing to see increased activity across both platforms As we work with our retail partners to help them execute their store growth plans and provide struggling merchant developers with the ability to lock in funding for their pipeline. We commenced 4 new development and DFP projects during the Q4 with total anticipated costs of approximately $13,000,000 The new projects include a Burlington and a HomeGoods in Yuma, Arizona and 2 Starbucks in Illinois. Construction continued during the quarter on 12 projects with anticipated costs totaling approximately $51,000,000 Lastly, we completed construction on 4 projects during the quarter with total costs of approximately $16,000,000 We disposed 5 properties during 2023 for total gross proceeds of approximately $10,000,000 including 3 properties that were sold during the Q4. The weighted average cap rate for dispositions in 2023 was 6.1%.

Speaker 2

I anticipate additional opportunistic dispositions in 2024 as we will seek to sell assets at attractive cap rates and redeploy that capital on an accretive basis. On the leasing front, we executed new leases, extensions or options on 425,000 square feet of gross leasable area during the Q4, including a TJ Maxx in New Lenox, Illinois and a Walmart Supercenter in Hazard, Kentucky. For the full year of 2023, we executed new leases, extensions or options and approximately 1,900,000 square feet of GLA. We are in a great position for 2024 with only 28 leases or 110 basis points of annualized base rents maturing. At year end, our best in class portfolio span 2,135 properties across 49 states, including 224 ground leases, representing 11.7% of total annualized base rents.

Speaker 2

Occupancy ticked up slightly to 99.8% And again, our investment grade exposure reached a record of over 69%. Lastly, I'd like to welcome Linglong He to our Board of Directors. Wing Long was ROCCAT's 1st software engineer over 25 years ago and today serves as the Chief Leadership Advisor for ROCCAT Central, where she is responsible for executive leadership development for the Rocket Companies. Prior to that role, she served as Chief Information Officer of Rocket Mortgage, we're truly excited to add our expertise to our esteemed Board of Directors. I'll now hand the call over to Peter and then we can open it up for

Speaker 3

Thank you, Joey. Starting with earnings, core FFO per share was $0.99 for the 4th quarter and $3.93 per share for full year 2023, representing 3.4% and 1.6% year over year increases, respectively. AFFO per share was $1 for the 4th quarter and $3.95 for the full year, representing 5.2% and 3.1% year over year increases respectively. As a reminder, treasury stock is included in our diluted share count Prior to settlement, if ADC stock trades above the deal price of our outstanding forward equity offerings. The aggregate dilutive impact related to these offerings was approximately 0.5 penny for the full year.

Speaker 3

Our consistent and reliable earnings growth continues to support a growing and well covered dividend. During the Q4, we declared monthly cash dividends of $0.247 per share for October, November December. On an annualized basis, the monthly dividends represent a 2.9% year over year increase. For the full year, the company declared dividends of approximately $2.92 per share, a 4.1% increase year over year and almost a 12% increase on a 2 year stack Our payout ratios for the Q4 and full year remained at or below the low end of our targeted range of 75% to 85% of AFFO per Subsequent to year end, we declared a monthly cash dividend of $0.247 per share for January February 2024. The monthly dividends reflect an annualized dividend amount of over $2.96 per share or a 2.9% increase over the annualized dividend amount of $2.88 per share from the Q1 of 2023.

Speaker 3

General and administrative expenses decreased quarter over quarter to 5.7 percent of revenue, adjusted for the non cash amortization of above and below market lease intangibles. For the year, G and A expense totaled $34,800,000 or 6.1 percent of adjusted revenue. With our continued investments in systems including ongoing enhancements to our proprietary ARC database, we anticipate that G and A expense will continue to scale as a percentage of adjusted revenue in 2024. We recorded $709,000 of income tax expense during the Q4. This brings the total for the year to $2,900,000 near the midpoint of our guidance.

Speaker 3

Turning to our capital markets activities. We raised over $370,000,000 of gross equity proceeds during the year via the forward component of our ATM program. With more than $235,000,000 of forward equity raised late in the Q4, we anticipate putting in place a new ATM program in the coming weeks in normal course. We also demonstrated our ability to access attractive bank debt with a market leading $350,000,000 5.5 year term loan at a fixed rate of 4.52 percent inclusive of prior hedging activity. The term loan received strong support from our key relationships and the 5.5 year term allowed us to extend the maturity into 2029.

Speaker 3

As Joey mentioned, Our debt maturity schedule remains in an excellent position with no material maturities until 2028. Our capital activity further fortified our balance sheet and positioned us for continued growth in 2024. We ended the year with over $1,000,000,000 of total liquidity, including more than $235,000,000 of outstanding forward equity, dollars 773,000,000 of availability on the revolver approximately $15,000,000 of cash on hand. In addition, our revolving credit facility and term loan have accordion options allowing us to request additional lender commitments of $750,000,000 $150,000,000 respectively. In addition to our strong liquidity position, free cash after the dividend is now approaching $100,000,000 on an annualized basis.

Speaker 3

As of December 31, pro form a for the settlement of our outstanding forward equity, Net debt to recurring EBITDA was approximately 4.3 times. Excluding the impact of unsettled forward equity, our net debt to recurring EBITDA was 4.7 times. Our total debt to enterprise value was approximately 27%, while our fixed charge coverage ratio, which includes principal amortization and the preferred dividend is in a very healthy position at 5 times. With that, I'd like to turn the call back over to Joey.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Peter. To summarize, we are very well positioned to execute in 2024 to drive sustainable earnings and a growing and well covered dividend. At this time, operator, let's open it up for questions.

Operator

And our first question will come from Spencer Ellerwey of Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Thank you and good morning. Given that you guys have capital locked And as you mentioned, you have a very strong liquidity position. Why not provide some formal acquisition guidance at this time?

Speaker 2

Morning, Spencer. So I think first of all, we're in an extremely volatile macroeconomic environment, including interest rate volatility here that's going on. And so I think our number one focus is not going to be aggregating volume today at de minimis Fred, as we talked about in the prepared remarks, we're 100% focused and the team is disciplined here Focusing on deploying capital at 100 plus basis point spreads into our sandbox of the country's leading retailers. And frankly, With 70 days of visibility in the net lease space, that's our average duration from letter of intent to close. I can't tell you what's going to happen in 71 days, let alone later this summer or fall.

Speaker 4

Okay. And then as you think about the 3 different kind of investment verticals that you play in. Can you just talk about where you're seeing the best spreads today?

Speaker 2

The best spreads, of course, would be in development, right? Duration development duration, we don't take speculative risk in terms of acquiring land or specking buildings without a tenant and without that being fully bid and all permits secured. So the best risk excuse me, the best returns But of course be on the development spectrum. And so duration equals risk. So we're looking for a significant spread if we're going to develop to where we can acquire a like kind asset.

Speaker 2

On the other end of the spectrum would be acquisitions. Again, where our focus here is deploying capital 100 basis points wide Where we see our cost of capital and as we've noted significantly before, our cost of capital, we perceive it as a forward AFFO yield a 70 five-twenty 5 split with 10 year unsecured pricing. We're not using unburdened free cash flow here. It's a conservative approach to that cost of capital. But our goal again is to deploy that capital 100 basis points wide of

Speaker 5

that. Okay.

Speaker 6

Thank you for the color, Joey.

Operator

The next question comes from Smedes Rose of Citigroup. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hi, thanks. So I guess you don't want to provide a full year kind of outlook and thinking about acquisition activity. But could you maybe just talk about what you've seen kind of year to date and kind of where cap rates have moved, have they moved up sequentially from the Q4, were you able to lock in at 7.2? Maybe just a little color on kind of what you're seeing near term.

Speaker 2

Sure. Good morning, Smedes. I would tell you cap rates right now are all over the board given the volatility in underlying markets that we see and the interest rate. 4th quarter was a roller coaster. Obviously, we saw the base rate for the world go up 25 percent from 4% to 5% in 70 days then dropped 28% over the subsequent 21 days this morning.

Speaker 2

I'm not sure what it's going to do or what Goolsbee and all the Fed speakers are going to say, I think it's more likely that we get a rate hike this year than a cut in March at this point. So cap rates are all over the board as you would imagine that sellers' expectations of the overall economy and interest rate environment all over the board. What I will tell you is Building upon my last answer, that 100 basis point spread to where we see our cost of capital will result in a material jump in our cap rates in Q1, 30 basis points to 40 basis points most likely, still focusing at 30 basis points to 40 basis points jump over Q4, Again, without sacrificing credit quality and that will be an aggregation on the acquisition side of unique opportunities, short term blend and extend opportunities, high performing stores directed by our retail partners, and asymmetric opportunities. But the market in terms of transactional volume is Fractional of where it was historically. And Sowar's expectations are all over the board.

Speaker 2

And so we really don't have unfortunately when the tenure was at 4% early in the Q4, we were approaching it. It seems like a new normal of 4% tenure. Since then, obviously, the volatility has caused some consternation and Some hope amongst borrowers that kind of vacillates back and forth.

Speaker 5

Okay, thanks. And then I just wanted to ask, you mentioned G and A will continue to move up as a percent of revenue. Do you just have a do you have a sense of kind of what percentage that we should expect that to move to over the course of 2024?

Speaker 2

So embedded in our guidance, I'll let Peter add any color, embedded in our base case of over 3% AFFO growth, which clearly is off the table right now Given the forward equity that we've raised and the color I've given to the pipeline, the percentage of G and A revenue will go down. The absolute number we anticipate going up because auditors, professional services, and Number we anticipate going up because auditors, professional services and everything else continues to go up in this world. Peter, anything I'm missing?

Speaker 3

No, that's correct. I think in recent years, we've seen scale in G and A as a percent of adjusted revenue of approximately 40 or 50 basis points an annual basis on average. It's difficult at this point to predict how much scale we'll see in 2024, but we do anticipate that G and A as a percentage of revenue will continue to come down.

Speaker 5

Great. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Ki Bin Kim of Truist. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Thanks, good morning, Joey. So first question, I noticed you guys have about 10 big loss. So question is about your guidance and I think you Embedded about 50 basis points credit loss reserves. So curious how much of that accounts for the known or like highly likely move out versus the unknown And Big Lots, what is that as a percent of ABR, please?

Speaker 2

Yes. So our total watch list today is inclusive of any Big Lots exposure of any at home exposure where we have 1. These are real estate plays for us at the end of the day. You can take a look at Our At Home in Provo, Utah, that's a real estate play across a mall that's undergoing renovation with a new large format target. Big Lots, we continue to monitor.

Speaker 2

It's an immaterial piece of our overall obviously portfolio and it's embedded in that 1% approximately watch list with amongst at home. And so I'll give you an example. We had one big loss didn't renew. We just were at lease right now with a national retailer in the auto parts space, a great partner of ours for approximately a 5% lift on the NOI, on a 15 year new base term. So we're very comfortable with our exposures and frankly the underlying

Speaker 3

real estate here. So again, that

Speaker 2

total watch list that we're Real Estate here. So again, that total watch list that we're focused on is basically 1% and a lot of it frankly we want back.

Speaker 7

Okay. And the big loss ABR percentage?

Speaker 3

Yes. Ki Bin, it's sub 50 basis points today in terms of our overall exposure to Big Lots. And I'd also note on average to Joey's point in terms being comfortable with the basis, they're paying just over $6 per square foot on average.

Speaker 7

Okay. And I appreciate your comments about being more disciplined on capital deployment if the pricing doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Since your last equity raise, obviously your stock price has drifted slightly lower. So if you had to raise a new round of equity Today, and if you still want to hold on to the 100 basis point spread target, it would imply that you would probably have to buy something close to an 8% GAAP cap rate. I'm not sure if there's enough desirable product at those prices.

Speaker 7

Just if you can provide some commentary and if that is the case, would you just be comfortable slowing down the acquisition pace again?

Speaker 2

We started the year by putting out a base we started the year last year by putting out a base case with no investment volume with over 3% AFFO growth with those conservative inputs that we just went through, and Peter gave more descriptive analysis too. So we will not put out capital south of that 100 basis point spread Unless it is a unique compelling opportunity a mark to market or something that justifies has the merit to justify that business case. And so where our stock price is, where our stock price goes, where cap rates go, I'll be honest, I don't anticipate Material expansion throughout the course of the year absent more economic macro volatility, incrementally more volatility than we see now. This is a large liquid fragmented space. Our focus is again is being 100% focused and disciplined on deploying that capital at material accretive spread.

Speaker 2

This business is very simple. On a forward AFFO yield, If you deploy capital inside of that forward AFFO yield, it does not work. Forget debt. I don't care if you're using overnight paper. We price our cost of capital using 25% 10 year unsecured bonds.

Speaker 2

That's how we look at our cost of capital. But if you're deploying capital inside of your forward AFFO yield, it's not going to work and it's going to drive no shareholder accretion on an AFFO per share basis. So we're not going to be out there collecting nuts, growing our denominator, not driving per share value and per share growth for our shareholders. The relationship between cap rates and volume at the end of the day is exponential and not linear. And so again, people have heard me say, inside of 75 basis points is the red light.

Speaker 2

We've seen the anecdotal Evidence as well as the empirical evidence of some large volume numbers not producing annualized growth in the subsequent year. 75 basis points to 100 basis points is a yellow light in this business. You can invest selectively. Over 100 basis points when you look at your true cost of capital not including unburden free cash flow or short term debt, the light becomes starts to be turned green. If you get to 150 basis points, you can slam on the gas like we did for several years.

Speaker 2

We're not at that 150 basis point space in this market today unless you want to go Significantly up the risk curve, which is adverse to everything we believe in at this company. And so that 100 basis point bogey, Not sure how much we're going to be able to aggregate for the year. I don't have that crystal ball. But we're certainly not going to deploy capital inside of it just to grow our denominator on our asset base.

Speaker 7

Okay. Thank you, Joey.

Speaker 8

Thank you, Stephen.

Operator

The next question comes from Joshua Dennerlein of Bank of America. Please go ahead. Hi, this is Farrell Granath on behalf of Josh.

Speaker 9

And I know you already made a few comments about your development pipeline. I was curious, I know over 2022, 2023, it was about, say, like a 23% increase. Is it fair to assume maybe a comparable amount going into 24 for total amount of development?

Speaker 2

We are consistently and constantly answering the phones and responding to inquiries from merchant developers, from retailers, all different types of constituents given the lack of liquidity out there in the construction lending market and the lack of ability for merchant builders to develop net new stores. Where that number ends up this year is going to be frankly subject to where we can get returns. So we're just not going to grow that number to put shovels in the ground, take duration risk, and not provide for the appropriate levels of ultimate accretion on our deployed capital. So it's difficult to say where that will go. Can change by the day we announced a number of new projects as well as completed in this quarter.

Speaker 2

Our pipeline continues to grow. The pace at which it grows, It's really up in the air. Retailers want to grow today. That's the ultimate bottom line. The retailers in our portfolio inclusive of Walmart who just announced a slew of new stores Really since the first time since the GFC want to grow today.

Speaker 2

The question is construction costs, availability of capital, return on costs and what rent per square foot they can pay. And so calibrating those things ultimately Our goal is to calibrate those things and figure out what projects make sense for us with those retail partners. What that number is again, I wish I had that visibility.

Speaker 9

Great. Thank you. And I believe this is along the lines of what you were just mentioning that last quarter made some comments about the partnering up with retailers to kind of assist with bringing stores to a close. Is there any other further update on that?

Speaker 2

Continued discussion. The team is at 2 national retailers that you're familiar with today and tomorrow, frankly. We're constantly in dialogue trying to help break this log jam that's occurring right now in the development of new stores. That said, we're not going to do it obviously to the detriment of our shareholders. We're going to get the appropriate spread.

Speaker 2

So The dialogue is ongoing. It is very fluid as you could imagine with the world going inside out in the Q4. We're going to continue to have those conversations and I think our full service value proposition is, so I know it is. I know it is unique to retailers and they appreciate all of our capabilities inclusive of our asset management capabilities.

Operator

Great. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Rob Stevenson of Janney. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Good morning, guys. Can you talk about what the cash spread on leasing done in the Q4 and for 'twenty three as a whole was? Have the size of the bumps or other lease terms changed given the persistently higher inflation these days?

Speaker 2

On the first one, Peter, do you have a number handy? I mean,

Speaker 3

it was fairly de minimis. Yes. Rob, I would just say first that we don't have a ton of actually re leasing activity in our portfolio. The vast majority of leases that are up for expiration see the tenant exercise an option which typically has an embedded bump within that option. That said the recapture rate for Q4 and for the full year was of 100%.

Speaker 10

Okay. And then what about the lease terms? Are you guys trying to push higher bumps, more frequent bumps, etcetera, given the higher inflation or trying to mitigate people to CPI, How are you guys thinking about that as you're starting new leases on any of these development deals or any of the other stuff?

Speaker 2

Yes. So no national retailers will generally Acquies to CPI based bumps. They want to know what the rent is going to be on a go forward basis, so they can plan. Yes. I mean look that's dramatic since we've seen inflation at 8%, 9% let alone over 3% that everybody is I think saying that we're in an inflationary environment.

Speaker 2

And so the frequency as well as the size of those bumps, I think most tenants are amenable to relooking at their lease terms

Speaker 10

Okay. And then can you talk about the difference between cap rates on ground leases in the Q4 and for the year overall versus the fee simple acquisitions, that spread sort of stayed relatively consistent, you're seeing better opportunities or less opportunities In ground leases today and going forward, how should we be thinking about that?

Speaker 2

Very consistent. If any, a de minimis spread between the ground leases and net leases, we're generally working with our retail partners there. I think you'll see more of the in the Q1. Some of them are shorter term. Some of them are targeted by retailers in partnership with us.

Speaker 2

So very de minimis spread of pay.

Speaker 10

Okay. Thanks guys. Appreciate the time.

Speaker 11

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Haendel St. Juste of Mizuho. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hey there, sorry about that.

Speaker 5

Joey, I think you mentioned earlier in

Speaker 8

the call that you're anticipating, Let's see, opportunities dispositions this year. Curious what categories you want client to call, Potentially how much you'd like to call in potential range of cap rates or any pricing color expectations? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. I would tell you from a category perspective, we're not overly interested in decreasing our Walmart exposure or anything like that. The opportunistic dispositions will generally be into the pretty tenuous tenthirty one market dominated in markets where you have significant capital, it seems to be significant capital, still chasing things at fairly low yields. We'll look to deploy redeploy that capital at approximately 150 basis point spreads. You can see it in the auto service space.

Speaker 2

You can see it Amongst other categories, the farm and roll supply space, the car wash space potentially, generally spaces where We're very comfortable with our exposure, but there is still opportunistic maybe tax motivated purchasers out there in geographies which

Speaker 8

And then just going back to the messaging here. Clearly, you're guiding to a capital light deployment earnings growth minimum 3%, probably looks like 4% now, expecting cap interest rates to be higher for longer. So I guess I'm curious kind of from your perspective, what's the investment case For investors buying the stock here today, 3% to 4% earnings growth isn't too shabby. In this environment, I get it, but still likely to lag a number of your peers, I think. Are we basically in a wait and see mode to a degree here?

Speaker 2

Well, so let's take a step back. We have a 5 percent plus and growing dividend that's covered at the low end of our target payout ratio is 75%. We have a 5 year CAGR of 6% AFFO growth while qualitatively improving the portfolio to now approaching 70% investment grade and 12% ground leases. It's the strongest retail portfolio, I think, without exception in the country and most investors and analysts would agree. We have a balance sheet that is fortified with $1,000,000,000 of liquidity as no material debt maturities until 2028, no floating rate exposure anything outstanding on the line of credit.

Speaker 2

So if you take your 3% to 4%, and you go ahead take the high end then take the 5 growing dividend and you're at 9% total returns there alone assuming no dividend growth which it will grow this year With an underlying fortress balance sheet and an underlying fortress portfolio, I think that is a very compelling case In today's environment to invest in ADC and I think as I said in our prepared remarks, insiders here inclusive of myself Agree. What we have done and what we have built without diminishing the qualitative aspect of our portfolio is I think is without peer. We haven't loaded up on pharmacies. We've ran from Walgreens exposure. We don't have double digit pharmacy exposure and double digit dollar store exposure.

Speaker 2

We're not just out there checking the IG box. I mean, we've been talking about Walgreens now for years, reducing our Walgreens exposure to an inconsequential number, Watching CVS overtake Walgreens in the pharmacy space, I think we have a proven track record now of not only being correct in our retail predictions and predilections about the concerns in an omnichannel world, but we also have the balance sheet management, the earnings growth profile to frankly to bank on. And so I think there's something to be said especially in today's environment for stability and predictability.

Speaker 8

Great. Thanks for the thoughts. Appreciate it.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Haendel.

Operator

The next question comes from Mitch Germain of JP Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 12

Hey, good morning. I know it's early

Speaker 11

in the year, but I'm just curious if you're seeing any changes to the buyer pool?

Speaker 2

Hey, Mitch. Honestly, no. I mean, this market is so fragmented and large to begin with that you stress it in a Higher interest rate environment in a liquid credit environment, the buyer pool kind of becomes a toss-up in the air. So it's very difficult. I mean sometimes I'll be honest, I'll ask an investment or disposition committee, who is this?

Speaker 2

Who is buying this? Who is selling this? And the answer turns into something like a riddle. And so I'll be honest, it's There is there are no parallels to be drawn. There is not a fluid market right now.

Speaker 2

It is hit or miss. It's about being disciplined and it's about throwing darts and being decisive in what you want to accomplish.

Speaker 12

Thanks for the color.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from R. J. Milligan of Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Speaker 13

Hey, good morning guys. So I just want to follow-up, I think Smedes asked this, I'm not sure if you provided an answer in what the year to date activity has been so far?

Speaker 2

No, we haven't provided any answer or any update on the year to date activity. Although I did mention that we anticipate cap rates jumping in Q1 by approximately 30 to 40 basis points on the acquisition side.

Speaker 13

Got it. And so I know there's a difference between capital previously raised via the ATM last quarter versus trying to go out and raise new capital equity capital today. So I'm just curious if you are seeing that 7.5 average cap rate or that cap rate expansion, would the goal then be to deploy The Q4 ATM proceeds quickly, I guess, what is the outlook for cap rates? Is it go and deploy at a 7.5 today given that that's a pretty high absolute cap rate or is it still more of a wait and see even with the previously raised proceeds.

Speaker 2

Yes. Just to clarify, that's not market. These are manufactured transactions where we work out there creating value. That is nowhere near market cap rates today on like kind product. We're not out there buying glossy brochures here that are highly marketed and sent through the auction process.

Speaker 2

And so if we can achieve those types of cap rates, we'll look at that spread relative to our cost of deploy that equity, but I think as we highlighted, we have $500,000,000 in leverage neutral buying power today, non inclusive of any disposition proceeds. And so as the year materializes, again, as the pipeline and the pipeline grows, we'll look at all capital options for us, but we don't need to do anything today. I think that that's pretty clear with $1,000,000,000 of liquidity in that $500,000,000 in leverage neutral power. Thanks.

Speaker 13

And just one follow-up. So Joe, you've talked a lot or very often The lack of visibility, 70 days. However, you have been able to provide despite that lack of visibility as sort of a guidepost at least for acquisition volume. I understand that we are in a volatile capital markets environment. I'm just curious, what do you need to see in the capital markets or the transaction markets to get the confidence to resume external growth guidepost?

Speaker 2

I think we have to get to a level of normalcy again. I we have to get to a level of stability in the underlying macroeconomic environment. I mean, I haven't I'll be honest, I haven't seen an economist who's gotten this right we pumped $6,500,000,000,000 into the economy and lowered rates to 0. And so for us to sit here and me specifically to sit here as A dumb real estate guy and try to anticipate what's going to materialize over the course of the next 11 months during this year, I would just frankly be getting ahead of myself. And so we were able to provide those historic guideposts because we had a level of visibility into anything absent an aberration or geopolitical event or some type of crash Today with the underlying volatility that we're seeing in these markets and frankly the lack of clarity we're seeing in these markets, I mean, it's a foggy world out there today.

Speaker 2

And so when we get and if we get that level of clarity based upon that stability, we will 100% provide it. But I think If we did anything else, we would just be getting ahead of ourselves.

Speaker 13

Thanks. And one additional is, clearly, you guys have been pretty proactive in selling down your Walgreens exposure over time. I'm curious if there's any other categories that you're looking to get ahead of the curve over the next year or 2?

Speaker 2

Not really from a category perspective. We saw something very Specific with Walgreens in context of the pharmacy space, the degradation of the front end, the constant need and desire to do M and A to increase store count, which didn't make sense to us. The failure of Walgreens to repurpose the front end of the store with their attempts at beauty and fragrance, their attempts W Cafe, we saw that very specifically and frankly we had an overabundance of Walgreens exposure. I mean it was 45 percent Walgreens exposure in 2012, I think approximately. 2013, we were 45% Walgreens exposure and We had a lot of intimate experience developing approximately 40 to 50 of them in 6 states.

Speaker 2

And so that was those stores erode. I'll tell you today the retailers in our portfolio are generally doing really well and are really healthy. Now we stayed away from the casual dining space. We've stayed away from the experiential stuff and we'll continue to. But if you look at our portfolio today, the retailers We're really doing well.

Speaker 2

The big are getting bigger. They're getting stronger. They're investing in price, labor and distribution and figuring out how to drive EBITDA in this omnichannel world.

Speaker 13

Thanks, guys.

Speaker 2

Thanks RJ.

Operator

The next question comes from Linda Tsai of Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hi, good morning. Regarding what you referred to as manufactured cap rates In 1Q being up 40, 50 bps through the auction process, any more color on how you drive that level expansion and how easy or difficult it is to achieve this?

Speaker 2

Just to clarify, good morning. Those cap rates are effectively creating value out there, Seeking off market opportunities, blend and extend opportunities, these aren't highly marketed glossy brochure through National Brokers and we're working with our retail partners to find opportunities where they want to be there long term and we want to be their landlord long term. Will you repeat the second part of that question?

Speaker 4

Just how easy it is to or difficult to achieve This and it's sustainability.

Speaker 2

Not easy. Look, this is I don't think anything is easy in this world today. It takes Grit, that's one of our core values here. Greatness requires grit. It takes grit.

Speaker 2

We leverage our relationships. The team here has tremendous relationships and credibility with retailers. We aren't in the wholesale buying process anymore out there that's going given where cost of capital are. But I'm 100% confident that the team will continue to be able cover opportunities across all three external growth platforms that provides outsized returns relative both to the market and hopefully our own internal expectations.

Speaker 4

And then if sale leaseback was a third of the Volume, what can it grow to in 2024? And similarly, where can DFP grow to as a percentage of the volume?

Speaker 2

From a sale EFS perspective, any tenant that doesn't need capital and those are the only tenants we typically do business with. We don't want to become a large unsecured creditor to any retailer that's private equity sponsored. So if you look at the retailers, we did sell leaseback, they're on pause, Right. Their CFOs, their real estate departments are watching the volatility. They know where they can issue paper In the unsecured market today, they're waiting for things to settle down here as well.

Speaker 2

And so I wouldn't anticipate given today's status that number approaching 1 third. It's fully possible if we get stabilization later in the year. In terms of DFP, every day it changes. We have built that team out. We've built that system out in context of ARC.

Speaker 2

We have improved to made our process more efficient. Again, it's just a question of pricing and the pricing is both with the developers as well as the retailers, the returns they're willing to accept and ultimately the rents they're able to pay On those specific sites and if it works in context of our obviously return profile.

Speaker 6

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thanks Linda.

Operator

The next question comes from Ronald Kamden of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hey, good morning, Joe and Peter. You have Jenny on for Ron. I just have two quick questions. The first is, can you talk a little bit on The competition environment today for the IG focused market and you mentioned like transaction volume is kind of low like this year. But if you compare on a year over year basis, is that like getting worse or it's actually better than last year?

Speaker 6

Thanks.

Speaker 2

Competition in our specific sandbox is really hit or miss, right? There are the random and infrequent QUIN1031 are high net worth individuals. They tell you the competition is very similar to what it was historically, Except the amount of competition, the competition is similar, but the amount of competition given just the transactional slowdown, the 1031 slowdown, is very de minimis. And so I often say our largest competitors are sellers' expectations themselves. Will you repeat the second part of that question?

Speaker 6

The second is the transaction volumes. You mentioned like the transaction volume this year is kind of low, but if you compare on a year over year basis, It's actually better than last year or actually worse than last year?

Speaker 2

Well, the transaction in terms of closed acquisitions?

Speaker 6

Of the pipelines and just overall?

Speaker 2

We're still early. We have visibility into the Q1 pipeline. We're just starting to build Q2. Transaction volume for Q1 will be down year over year relative to Q1 undoubtedly. But as I mentioned, our focus is on improving those cap rates very significantly on a relative year over year basis.

Speaker 2

So I think looking forward, again, we'll see what type of normalcy we get or stabilization we get in this in the underlying macro, it's difficult it's very difficult to predict, impossible for us.

Speaker 6

Yes, makes sense. If you talk about dispositions, I think you mentioned you're expecting to dispose more this year. And based on your target Cap rates do you think, just maybe talk a little bit more about like the disposition cap rates trending and the overall environment?

Speaker 2

Yes, we're looking for those opportunistic areas where we can sell an asset generally in the plus or minus in the fixed cap range and then redeploy it north of 100 basis points minimally above that, in assets that we don't think long term necessarily have the growth potential profile It was in the portfolio.

Speaker 6

Okay. Sounds good. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Alex Fagan of Baird. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Hey, Good morning, guys, and thank you for taking my question. First off, where are the current yields on the new development funding deals?

Speaker 2

When you say new development funding deals, I mean, generally we're targeting New net new in terms of approvals and starting now, we're targeting the DFP transaction that is, let's call it, 6 months until rent Commencement approximately 50 to 75 basis points over lifetime cap rates in the acquisition. If it's an overall project that takes entitlements, we're significantly wide of that just because of the duration risk.

Speaker 11

Okay. Thank you. And I guess second off, You kind of put on your macro head earlier, said you think the chance of a rate hike might be higher now than a rate cut. Kind of curious what's the most attractive source of debt today and does the company have any plans on issuing long term debt to reduce the revolver anytime soon?

Speaker 2

Yes. Just I'll let Peter answer the second question. I said just to repeat, the chance of a rate hike is probably better than this year probably better than the chance of a rate cut in March. We'll see more data obviously tomorrow. But I think that rate cut expectation that the market had in for March is clearly off the table and we'll see if we get any more hot prints that come out.

Speaker 2

Peter, in terms of the debt market, I'll let you take that.

Speaker 3

Yes. I think we came into this year with $1,000,000,000 of total liquidity available to us. And so there's no near term need to access Debt markets, we have no material debt maturities until 2028. And so we can continue to be opportunistic in terms of how and when we access the debt capital markets. We have access to both the unsecured markets as well as the bank debt markets where we continue to have strong support our bank group.

Speaker 3

I think our preference is typically for longer term fixed rate unsecured financings that match the underlying lease duration of our portfolio. And to that end, as disclosed in the 10 ks, we entered into $150,000,000 of forward starting swaps during the Q4. Those swaps contemplate a future tenure unsecured debt issuance and they're swapped at an effective rate just under 4%. So We have optionality in terms of when we use those swaps. They have a mandatory termination date in June of 2025, but contemplates us coming back to that market at some point in the future.

Speaker 11

Cool. Thank you. That's all for me.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Eric Bordon of BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hey guys, good

Speaker 14

morning. Just a quick one on the watch list. What's the mark to market on the assets in there today? I think you mentioned big lots expiring or taking back space in the mid single digits, just curious about the rest of the portfolio?

Speaker 2

The big loss expiration that I mentioned, which was now at least within auto parts that mark to market is approximately 5% on a new 15 year lease. In reference to where we think the remainder of the overall portfolio is?

Speaker 14

Just the remainder of the on the portion of the portfolio that is on the watch list or base that you anticipate taking back?

Speaker 2

I tell you, we're extremely comfortable given the rental rates that we've recorded across those, we're extremely comfortable. Again, these are mid single digit rental rates. Today to even build a box like that is 100 and $60 $150 vertical a foot. These are mid single digit rental rates that we feel extremely comfortable that if we were to get any of these boxes back, that we'll have no challenge here, market them to market. Where market is, it varies across the board.

Speaker 2

But to find any box today that has any merit to it in mid single digit range is almost impossible.

Speaker 14

All right. Thank you very much.

Speaker 8

Thanks, Eric.

Operator

The next question comes from Connor Seversky of Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Speaker 12

Hey, good morning. Jesus on for Connor this morning. Thanks for taking the question guys. Just in your conversations with Can you offer a temperature check on the willingness for some of these retail operations to continue to expand in this current macro backdrop?

Speaker 2

Yes. As I touched on earlier, the retailers that we talked to want to continue to expand and continue to expand aggressively. I don't remember a time when Home Depot, Walmart, Lowe's before except it's prior to the GFC, we're expanding the large format C stores, the auto parts operators, the off price retailers, that's all the TJX concepts Ross, Burlington, 5 Below. These operators are have the desire to continue to expand across all of their different flags. And again, the challenge today is construction costs, and ultimately what they can pay on a per square foot rental rate.

Speaker 2

But there is voracious demand in the discount space. Again, we're focused in the necessity based arena here. Is a voracious demand to continue to expand and open stores. We're seeing that really across the board, whether it's all the way O'Reilly and AutoZone to Tractor Supply to Walmart to Aldi, which is obviously making a large acquisition and opening net new stores. I think see that across the arena in terms of discount oriented operators.

Speaker 12

Great. Appreciate the color. Thanks guys.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Joey Agree for any closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining us this morning. And we look forward to seeing you at the upcoming conferences. We appreciate everybody's time.

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