Kornit Digital Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 14, 2024

There are 10 speakers on the call.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good morning, And welcome to the Coronet Digital 4th Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Mr. Jared Maiman, Investor Relations for CoreNet Digital.

Operator

Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator. Good day, everyone, and welcome to Kornit Digital's 4th Quarter and Full Year 2023 Earnings Conference Call. Joining me today are Chief Executive Officer, Ronen Samuel and Lori Hanover, Kornit's Chief Financial Officer. For today's call, Ronen will recap the full year 2023, provide comments on the Q4 and then discuss our view on 2024. Laurie will then review the Q4 and full year numbers and provide our Q1 outlook before we open it up for Q and A.

Speaker 1

Before we begin, I would like to remind you that forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and other U. S. Securities laws will be made on this call. These forward looking statements include, but are not limited to, statements relating to the company's plans, strategies, projected results of operations or financial condition and all statements that address developments that the company expects will occur in the future. Forward looking statements are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties that could cause results to differ materially from those implied by the forward looking statements.

Speaker 1

I encourage you to review the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the company's annual report on Form 20 F filed with the SEC on March 30, 2023, which identifies specific risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially. Any forward looking statements are made currently, and the company undertakes no obligation to publicly update any forward looking statements, except as required by law. Additionally, the company will be making reference to certain non GAAP financial measures on this call. The reconciliation of these non GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in the company's earnings release published today, which is also posted on the company's Investor Relations website. At this time, I would now like to turn the call over to Ronen.

Speaker 1

Ronen?

Speaker 2

Thanks, Jared, and thanks to everyone for joining us on today's call. Before we dive into 4th quarter results, let's take a moment to reflect On the transformative journey of 2023, a year that reshape not only our industry, but also Kornit's standing in the market. In 2023, as the cost of capital rose and consumer preferences continue to shift, the industry continue to recognize the need to reduce inventory, improve time to market, limit dependency on broken offshore supply chains and produce sustainably. The traditional practice of overstocking does not make sense in a market characterized by ever changing consumer preferences. As a result, many retailers spend 2023 working through excess inventories that had piled up since the pandemic, while shifting the focus towards fixing their operating models and supply chains.

Speaker 2

The ideal supply chain that these retailers are seeking utilizes lean inventory management and is backed by fast and constant in season replenishments. Entering 2023, knowing that we were heading into a challenging macro environment, We defined a few key business objectives that would ensure Kornit was best prepared for its next phase of long term profitable growth. These objectives included strengthening our product portfolio, broadening the application we serve, diversifying our customer base, successfully launching our Apollo platform, expanding our direct to fabric business and optimizing our operating model. A key pillar in our strategy of transitioning the market from analog to digital production has been to offer a portfolio of innovative digital solutions that deliver a retail quality and efficiency. After a few years of major R and D investments, we arrived to ITMA 2023 with a remarkably wide portfolio of solutions for on demand sustainable production.

Speaker 2

We cemented our leading position with the MAX technology as the new industry standard for quality, introduced the Apollo platform for bulk production, enhanced our DTF offering for unprecedented capabilities, expanded the application reach of our Poly offering integrated smart Turing technology into our mass production solutions, made major software enhancements to the Kornit X platform and brought added value ancillaries like our RSS Smart Pallet Adjustment Technology. With our revolutionary solutions, we managed to penetrate new market segments such as bulk apparel, athleisure, Fashion, Home Decor, Technical and Footwear and new geographies such as India, Latin America and other key textile production hubs across the globe. Our diversification efforts extend beyond market segments and geographies. We are also now engaged with new types of customers such as Tier 1 manufacturers, value added suppliers and directly with major brands, digital phones and retailers. Turning to the Apollo.

Speaker 2

As you may have seen, after successfully installing all 3 Apollo beta systems for the peak season in Q4, we delivered on our plan of bringing digital apparel production to the mainstream with the launch of the Apollo in January. The feedback from the industry leaders on the Apollo has been outstanding. Customers refer to the release of the Apollo to the start of a new era in direct to garment, pushing the boundaries of speed, quality and sustainability Further than ever before, the Apollo represents a quantum leap in direct to garment printing technology, ensuring businesses can meet the evolving demands of the fashion and textile industries. Simultaneously with the launch, we hosted customers and prospects at one of our better sites with North American retailers to demonstrate the system at an industrial scale. The event was very successful, and I'm also pleased to report that one of our beta customers As already disclosed, the plan to add several more Apollos to their facilities throughout 2024.

Speaker 2

In 2023, we also made significant strides in the direct to fabric market. Our new ink solution, the Violette ITMA, combined with our MAX technology, has created a best in class solution in the growing digital pigment market. This market is going through a massive transition into just in time sustainable production and Kornit is leading the market. We continue to believe that the direct to fabric market represents a significant long term growth opportunity, especially with global brands and retailers We have committed to move to sustainable production and offer maximum flexibility. Turning to our operations.

Speaker 2

In 2023, we worked diligently to achieve our goal of returning to breakeven profitability on an adjusted EBITDA basis. And despite A more challenging environment than we anticipated in the second half, we achieved this goal in the Q4. A key factor to this return to profitability was consistently strong growth in consumables through 2023. This year over year improvement in both impressions and consumables indicates continued digestion of capacity within our installed base, which we view as a positive leading indicator for future systems demand. Additionally, we have and continue to Realign our operating expenses with the current market environment.

Speaker 2

In 2023, this realignment included cost reduction and efficiency initiatives across our operations. In the Q1 of 2024, we extended this effort through a restructuring and realignment effort designed to prepare Kornit for its next phase of growth. This restructuring, including a meaningful reduction in force, adjustment to our go to market strategy, a reorganization of certain business segments, changes to our leadership team and improve operating efficiencies in our supply chain. We expect these proactive measures to contribute to our return to consistent profitability and allow us to protect our robust balance sheet. Lori will expand on the implications of these cost saving measures in her prepared remarks.

Speaker 2

Turning now to the Q4. Today, we reported 4th quarter revenues of $56,600,000 within the range of the guidance we provided in November and adjusted EBITDA margin of 0 point 3%, which was above the high end of our guidance range. As a reminder, this includes the impact of the fair value of the issues warrants. Despite the persistent macroeconomic headwinds, 4th quarter results were driven by a good peak seasons, where we saw double digit year over year growth in impressions and in our consumable revenues. This marks our 4th consecutive quarter of year over year impressions growth.

Speaker 2

Releasing the Apollo is also giving us the opportunity to introduce a creative recurring base revenue model, which shifts CapEx to OpEx for some customer with this system. This offering sets minimum level of production, reduce barrier to entry, provides more predictability and visibility for our customer and for us, shortens the sales cycle and improves our opportunity to address screen printers. We expect this revenue model to generate around $1,000,000 in revenue per system per year. With that said, in 2024, we continue to expect modest revenue growth and adjusted EBITDA profitability. Our outlook assumes that the challenging macroeconomics backdrop we experience in 2023 continues into 2024.

Speaker 2

Based on the actions we have taken today To improve our operating efficiency and our working capital position, we now anticipate generating positive cash flow from operations for the full year. So in conclusion, we ended the year on a solid footing. During the Q4, we experienced a good peak season with nice growth from some of our key customers and work diligently to bring the business back to breakeven results. Entering 2024, we are focused On our key long term growth drivers, which include further movement into mainstream bulk production, expansion of our direct to fabric business, engagement with key demand generators and further penetration of new segments in key textile production regions. We plan to focus on these areas, while returning to profitability Before I pass the call over to Lori, as you all know, Israel faced a horrific barbaric attack in the second half of twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2

While some of our people were impacted, We were resilient and continue to fully support our customers throughout the most important time of the year. We continue to prioritize the safety of our people in Israel and remain confident that our contingency plan secure our business continuity. I want to thank our tremendously dedicated people for the resilience in this difficult time and to thank many of you for your continued support. Now let me turn the call over to Lori for a closer look at our 4th quarter and full year 2020 financials and 1st quarter guidance. Lori?

Speaker 3

Thank you, Ronen, and good day to everyone. 4th quarter revenues were $56,600,000 within the guidance range we provided in November. This quarter, we experienced double digit year over year growth in consumable sales, which was more than offset by a decline in systems and services sales as expected. For the full year 2023, revenues were $219,800,000 compared with $271,500,000 in 2022. Despite consumables and services demonstrating healthy growth for the full year, The year over year decline was primarily attributable to significantly lower system sales in 2023.

Speaker 3

Moving to margins. 4th quarter non GAAP gross margin was 48.6% compared with 36.4% in the same period last year. The year over year improvement can be attributed to high margin consumables comprising the lion's share of total revenues. For the full year 2023, the non GAAP gross margin of 38.4% increased slightly from 38.2% in 2022, driven by higher volumes in ASPs and consumables and solid profitable growth in services. This was offset by the sizable decline in system sales volumes, reflecting the challenging environment we faced throughout 2023 and particularly in the last quarter.

Speaker 3

Looking at expenses. Total 4th quarter non GAAP operating expenses were $30,100,000 a decrease of about 9% from $32,900,000 in the same period last year. For the full year 2023, non GAAP operating expenses decreased about 12% to $127,700,000 compared to 2022. The continued reduction in expenses reflects the savings achieved by our ongoing cost savings initiatives. In the Q4, we took decisive actions to advance these cost savings initiatives, which resulted in a $19,100,000 restructuring charge.

Speaker 3

This charge supports our strategy to align our cost structure with our revenue expectations and to enable operating leverage as we return to growth. Included in this restructuring is a meaningful workforce reduction, a consolidation of facilities and a phasing out of our legacy platforms. We expect this restructuring plan to save approximately 20,000,000 in operating expenses during 2024 versus the full year 2023. Adjusting for these restructuring charges, our adjusted EBITDA was positive in the 4th quarter, marking a significant improvement over the EBITDA loss of $6,100,000 in the same period last year and the adjusted EBITDA loss of $5,600,000 last quarter. Adjusted EBITDA margin for the Q4 of 2023 was 0.3% at the top end of the guidance range we provided in November, again reflecting an improvement year over year and sequentially.

Speaker 2

For the

Speaker 3

full year 2023, the adjusted EBITDA loss of $30,900,000 was essentially consistent with that of 2022. However, the adjusted EBITDA margin for 2023 decreased to minus 14% compared with minus 11.3 percent for 2022, primarily due to significantly lower revenues year over year. Our cash balance, including bank deposits and marketable securities at quarter end was approximately $556,000,000 Through cost saving measures and healthy collections resulting in improvements to working capital, we generated positive cash flow from operations of 2.6 $1,000,000 during the Q4. We remain committed to improving working capital to drive cash conversion. Moving on to our share repurchase program.

Speaker 3

For the full year 2023, we repurchased approximately 2,700,000 shares, spending an aggregate amount of $55,800,000 The average price paid per share net of fees was 21.03. On January 17, our 2nd quarter proof share repurchase authorization expired. Subsequently, we applied for and obtained Israeli court approval for a new 6 month period extending through July, allowing us to use the balance of our previously authorized share repurchase program. This unused balance currently amounts to approximately $19,000,000 Given our current enterprise value, we plan to continue repurchasing shares in the Q1. Next, I'd like to take a moment to discuss the operating environment.

Speaker 3

As we discussed on our last earnings call, the consumer environment remains uncertain, which with regard to system sales impacts our customers' purchasing appetite and thus our visibility. Additionally, we continue to face a challenging macro environment in 2024, similar to what we faced in 2023. While we will work proactively with our customers, invest in our product portfolio and improve our operating model, We acknowledge that these macroeconomic headwinds will weigh on our ability to convert lease and plan confidently. With that said, we continue to expect modest growth and modest profitability in 2024 on a full year basis. We are also expecting to deliver positive cash from operations in 2024 on a full year basis.

Speaker 3

Turning to Q1 guidance. We currently expect revenues for the Q1 of 2024 to be between 43 $48,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA margin to be in the negative 16% to negative 26% range. As a reminder, the guidance for revenue and adjusted EBITDA margin includes the impact of the non cash expense associated with the fair value of the company's warrants to our largest global strategic account. That concludes our prepared remarks. And with that, I will now turn it back over to Ronnen to open up the call for Q and A.

Speaker 3

Ronnen?

Speaker 2

Thank you, Laurie. Operator, we are now ready for the Q and A session.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now be conducting a question and answer session. Our first question comes from the line of Greg Palm with Craig Hallum Capital Group. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hey, everyone. Thanks for taking the questions. I guess just kind of looking back at Q4 specifically, I'm wondering if You can maybe characterize the peak season. It sounded like it was maybe a little bit better than planned, but offset by really weak system But just in terms of overall activity, can you comment on capacity of the industry relative to 2022, whether it was maybe a little bit tighter than the previous year? Any other color would be helpful.

Speaker 4

Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thank you, Greg. So Q4, on the positive side, We can see that the supplies, we saw very nice supplies growth. Actually double digit growth on revenue, on orders of inks and also we saw very nice growth on the impression, which give us confidence that customers starting to improve the utilization and capacity utilization of the system And we'll be ready to starting adding orders of additional systems in 2024 and definitely into 2025. So we see that our customers growing the number of impression per system and the overall number of impression and it's very, very clear trend.

Speaker 2

Another good trend is our service revenue which grew as well and continue to be strong and we expect that it will continue to be strong as well next year. For the overall 2023 and specifically Q4, our system revenue and system sales was weak. And this is mainly contributed to the macro environment. Interest rate is still high And many of our customers, some of them after the ITMA event are still waiting and standing in the fence or sitting on the fence to take decision. And many of them are telling us that their customers, meaning brands and retailers, are still sitting on pile of inventory that they're trying to get rid of.

Speaker 2

On the positive side, They are all with those that we were talking saying that into 2024 they believe that those inventory will be behind the brands and they will move back to production if it's on the DTF or the DTG markets. So overall, this is the main trends that we see. Looking at our key customers And our global strategic customer, they had a very strong quarters in terms of impressions And in growth, so overall we are happy to see this momentum continue. This is the 4th quarter that we see growth on the ink side, but in Q4 we saw double digit which is the peak season. And to see in the peak season double digit is a very strong indication.

Speaker 4

Yes, understood. Okay, thanks. And then my second question is related to the Apollo, maybe a 2 parter. Can you confirm that the beta units will be or have been recognized as revenue in Q1? I'm guessing that is the assumption in the guide.

Speaker 4

And then just your overall outlook for In terms of contribution for this year and then a little bit more color on maybe this new recurring based revenue model that you alluded to, which sounds pretty interesting. That's all. I'll leave it there. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. So on the Apollo, we are very excited. So first of all, Apollo represents for us totally new incremental market that we didn't report before. This is the bulk apparel. This is large quantities, large volume, much, much bigger than the customized design market that we were We are talking with many big, big customer, some of the fulfillers, brands, retailers, But looking into the Apollo, after 4.5 years of development, we installed 3 systems In North America with key customers and different type of customers, one of them is retailers, big retailers.

Speaker 2

One of them is more focused on screen longer run and one of them is about mainly customized design, one off. Each one of them work on the system around the clock in the peak season and the feedback is outstanding from all 3 beta customers. They were super impressed by the quality, the productivity can run up to 400 governments an hour. The automation that all this with one operator And the breakthrough TCO, total cost of ownership. This system is a breakthrough for The direct to garments, we believe that we are going to really create an impact and replace mainstream screen jobs into digital.

Speaker 2

We also have a very strong pipeline into 2024 and beyond On the Apollo, one of our beta customers already indicated that they are going to add Several more systems in 2024 and we're already working on it. We expect the other 2 betas as well to add more systems and we already engaged with other customers on really finalizing the contract for additional systems. We need to understand that 2024 was still a ramp up period for this product And we're limited the number of products we're expecting for 2024, while we are going to accelerate in 2025. Still it will be meaningful in 2024. We also are introducing and actually piloting A new business model, a business model that's enabling customers, which is very creative to move from CapEx to OpEx.

Speaker 2

And customers that are going to build that and actually committing on minimum level of production that they need to print on the machine. And this reduced the barriers of entry mainly into the screen printers that's very, very keen In this model when we are talking to them about it, this will create more predictability and visibility both for us and For our customers that are using it, it will create shorter sales cycles and improve our opportunity to address screen as a whole. This business model going to generate around $1,000,000 per unit, per year and this is Kind of the minimum we expect it even to do more than this $1,000,000 The machine is capable to bring much more than that. As you asked about the 3 systems, one of those systems is on this pilot On OpEx versus CapEx, so in terms of revenue recognition you will not see the full amount Recognize in Q1, but you will see it split into the years With this model, this specific customer is planning to print much more than the minimum commitment that we have on this plan. And of course the rest are going to be recognized in the coming quarters.

Speaker 2

This pilot we are going to limit it at this stage mainly for the Apollo platform and in only few cases We are going to land a lot from it and we are planning to report back to all of you the success and how we are going to take it forward.

Speaker 4

Okay, great. Thanks for all the color. Best of luck.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Chris Moore with CJS J. S. Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hey, good morning guys. Thanks for taking a few. Maybe just stay with the Apollo for a moment. So Obviously, it's fair to assume that from a recurring revenue standpoint, it's going to be Significantly helpful. For someone like Amazon's purchase of the Apollo, do you expect it to have any impact on There are other system purchases?

Speaker 2

So I didn't refer specifically to our global key customers or any specific names. We are currently targeting, as I mentioned, with the Apollo a new market, a new type of customers. This is It's mainly screen fulfillers that are running longer runs, working with mainly brands and retailers and also major retailers that would like to change the supply chain. So this is our first priority to go after incremental market. As I mentioned, one of our better customers is actually more on the customized design and doing one offs.

Speaker 2

And they found the products very suitable for them and they are planning to continue to grow leveraging the Apollo for this product. We assume that in the future some of our customized design customers including some of our strategic customers will continue to grow leveraging this platform as well, but not only this platform.

Speaker 5

Got it. No, that's very helpful. It sounds like lots of new customers there. Any sense for the kind of timeframe On the payback for the OpEx model versus the CapEx, obviously, you're not getting The upfront dollars on the Apollo, but you're getting much more recurring. How long do you think it should take before you break even and then profitable there?

Speaker 2

So It's not about the model doesn't work like this and you are actually Being profitable from the first impression that the customer is printing. And the model, the contract is for 5 years With the minimum commitment of impressions that the customer needs to print per year, the customer know exactly how much they need to print Paying pressure and if they print more than the minimum of course they need to pay more than that. It gives them visibility And it gives them understanding exactly for the cost. It's aligned the interest of the customer and the Kornit Together, and we believe that this model is very profitable for Kornit And moving us a bit more to the recurring, so give us more predictability, but also a very strong stickiness to our customers, working hand in hand with our customers and helping them to grow.

Speaker 5

Got it. Very helpful. Maybe just one more there, so I understand a little bit better. So What would be the reason why a customer wouldn't employ this model?

Speaker 2

It's a very good question. This model is not the cheapest one. Actually customers that knows how to run the systems We're better off buying the systems, paying for the separately for the service contracts and buying separately the ink. However, they need to know how to run the machine efficiently and the cost Their type of jobs will be different on the amount of ink that they are consuming. The model of The creative model of moving to OpEx gives predictability to the customers.

Speaker 2

This predictability of course is a and the customer will pay a bit more and therefore it's good also for Kornit in terms of margin. So it's a trade off Customers that can afford buying systems and then the cash to buy the systems and they know how to run it would be better off to be on CapEx versus OpEx.

Speaker 5

Got it. That's helpful. I will leave it there. Thanks, Ronen.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Brian Drab with William Blair. Please

Speaker 6

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. First, I just wanted to ask about the restructuring to be sure that I understood. Did you say that the incremental cost takeout would be $20,000,000 related to actions that were taken since the end of the year and that's $20,000,000 in cost takeout in 2024 relative to 2023?

Speaker 3

Hi, Brian. Yes, we did say that. We recorded the charge in the Q4. The benefit of the restructuring efforts will be in 2024 and when you look at OpEx on a year over year basis, we expect it should be approximately $20,000,000 lower in 2024 than it was in 2023.

Speaker 6

Okay. And it's all coming out of OpEx, Not COGS.

Speaker 3

There is a portion that is in COGS, but the lion's share is in OpEx.

Speaker 6

Okay, got it. And then just one other question for now. What is the update and Look related to upgrades for the Atlas machines, can you give us a sense for What percentage of the installed base is upgraded and what's the prospect for the balance to be upgraded to MAX? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. So first of all, as I mentioned on my script, MAX Technology and MAX Quality is the new standard of the industry. We are hearing it from the market, from our competitors, but we're also hearing it from our customers That upgrading to the MAX technology, they are super pleased about the quality and also the productivity of the MAX. I would say in 2023, we had a very strong year On the MAX upgrade, we are starting this year with few major orders that we already received from customers to upgrade their fleet into the MAX. So you will see in H1 a nice uptick or nice revenue coming from those upgrades as well.

Speaker 2

I would say in terms of number of customers, The majority of our customers already did the upgrade and we only have a few customers. Some of them or one of them is very big that is in the process of deciding if they are going to upgrade yes or not and hopefully this year there will be some upgrades also within these customers. I would say also that during this year in 2024, We are taking the MAX technology and the ATLAS MAX to the next level. We are going to introduce the ATLAS MAX plus We have shown it At ITMA, at FESPA in March in Amsterdam, we are going to show the Atlas Max Plus With additional capabilities, these additional capabilities will open for our customers new markets, new applications and new capabilities and it will be substantial. And it will be going to create a major buzz.

Speaker 2

I am not going to get specifically now what are the What are the capabilities? We are keeping it to FESPA. I can say, open your eyes and look for because there will be big news there.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Eric Woodring with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Eric, your line is unmuted. You can please ask your question.

Speaker 7

Sorry about that. Good afternoon, everyone. This is Maya on for Eric. Thank you for taking my questions today. Maybe just to start kind of as you speak to customers, what is the catalyst that they're looking for that would unlock that spend?

Speaker 7

I understand the Recurring revenue model helps with that, but just in general unlocking that spend. I'm just trying to understand what changes And are going on in the spending dynamic because you're launching new compelling products, you're seeing growth in impressions and consumables demand. So what unlocks that next

Speaker 2

Thank you, Maher. It's an excellent question. Look, we have by far the best technology, the best products portfolio in the market and as you mentioned other elements that we need to go over in order to accelerate the growth of our system sales. And it's different from market to market. Let me start with the market with the direct to fabric market, okay, the fashion market.

Speaker 2

And certainly different dynamic from the direct to garment. In the fashion market, when we are talking today to customers and in the last few months, I travel all over the world to visit those customers, both in India, in Latin America, in Eastern Europe to visit our key customers and key prospects. And they are all telling me the same story. They are all telling me that they have to change the technology from reactive and acid inks Technologies enable them flexibility to print on different material, different fabrics without changing the ink. Technology enables them adjusting time production and sustainable without consuming water, without pollution.

Speaker 2

They've been forced to do that by the brands and they see the legislation, regulations coming over and capturing them. They have to change to pigment. Pigment is the only solution and Kornit is by far The best pigment in the market, the best solution in the market, not only in terms of the pigment, but in terms of the capability of being able to print on dark fabric With Whiting, with XBI, we are the only player in the market that's doing it. All the big players, all the big fulfillers I was talking are super interested in our technology. Some of them already adopted it like the one Customers that I visited or one of the customers I visited in India, which is a massive, it's like a city And a massive potential of acquisition of many systems and it's just starting now with one of our system, one Prestomax.

Speaker 2

So the market has to move there. What they are telling us that currently their customer, the brands and retailer still struggling to get rid of the inventory that pile up from the corona time. And they all believe in talking with those brands during 2024, it will be behind them and they will go back into full production. We believe that this will open the gate. This will open the gate for our technology for moving to pigment Now that we are also bringing the Visido with a better hand feel and better black, this will accelerate the growth in the market.

Speaker 2

As I mentioned, I believe this market is a major growth engine moving forward to Corning. This is on the direct to fabric is really about brands and retail moving back to production. On the direct to garment, again, let's break it to 2 different markets. One is the traditional market that Kornit was working on is customized design. And what we can see on our key customers and customized design, we have 100 of them and we see the same phenomena.

Speaker 2

Finally, we start to see that they are back and increasing the utilization versus 2021. So many of them not only printing more than they were printing in 20 21 in the peak, but actually utilizing better the systems and we believe that some of them will get into the cycle of adding capacity in 2024 and definitely after the peak season of 2024 into 2025. So this is customized design a very good indication. On the bulk apparel, the bulk apparel is replacing screen and there we are going very strong with the Apollo. What is limiting us in 2024 in the Apollo is not the demand in the market.

Speaker 2

Actually most Of the systems that we are planning to ship and to recognize in 2024, we're already in a very advanced stage of contract with customers and the list is almost full for 2024 and now we are working on 2025. As for the MAX technology, I believe that event like in March that we have and another event in May that we have as well in Europe will be catalyst to generate more sales into those customers. Some of them are still struggling in terms of Cash flow in terms of financing, there we need to be a bit more creative. This model of recurring Revenue or moving OpEx from CapEx to OpEx will help some of them to jump and move ahead into digital or in case the fleet of digital that they're using.

Speaker 7

Great. Thank you. And then kind of related to that, you mentioned further diversifying your customer base. Where and what products are you seeing kind of the most net new interest? And in your customer conversations, what's driving those competitive wins?

Speaker 2

Yes. So if we talk about diversification, let's understand that Kornit was based in the last years mainly on one segment which is customized design is one off customization. Most of our business was in the North America And most of our business was based on few big customers that together with us grew this segment of customized design that was not exists before that. Now the first step that we did in diversification is getting into new market segments like the bulk apparel, like the athleisure that is going very nicely for us with the poly technology, like the Fashion, the home decor, we are getting into footwear, we are getting to technical. So all of those are incremental and diversifying our type of customers.

Speaker 2

So you can imagine that when we are going to these type of segments like footwear or technical, Those are totally new type of customers that we didn't have before. Some of them are major, Major one. And I will repeat again, the customer that I visited in India is the massive potential for growth for direct to fabric. So I see a really big potential of course in the future for Kornit and the direct to fabric, both expanding geography to places like India, Turkey, Morocco, but Latin America is very strong as well. But you see Production moving also near shore and onshore to Mexico and even to North America and of course the EMEA.

Speaker 2

So this is one part. Another part that we put a lot of focus in the last, I would say, 2 years is really growing the business with retailers and brands. Major part of our business today is already coming with those retailers. Some of them midsize retailers in the U. S.

Speaker 2

That having 500, 600 shops all around the U. S. And changing the business model from outsourcing production to screen printing, Moving production in house into the warehouse in order to do just in time production be relevant and shipping and replenishment directly to the shelf of their brick and mortars. So we see it very clearly and we have a long list of customers already using our technology. Some of them already scaled up and we have one of them that already has Apollo.

Speaker 2

So this is totally new, another new type of diversification that we didn't have before and it's growing and we are putting more We actually with the new operating model, we are building a team that just going after the retailers and the brands And the demand generation, we are getting into a pilot, a new pilot with a big digital platform Leveraging Kornit X and leveraging our installed base, those of course never been our customer before with a huge potential as well. So there is tons of diversification, new customer, new geographies, new products, new segments and I am very pleased that we managed to do it in the last 2 years and I really hope that soon we will see the result in the growth of system sales as well.

Speaker 7

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Davey Rosner with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hi, thank you for taking my questions. Most of them have been asked. So I just wanted to ask about the cash. You mentioned about €550,000,000 net cash. I'm wondering, are you looking into M and A?

Speaker 8

Are you looking to

Speaker 2

Maybe Laurie will add on top of that, as we mentioned, we continue with the buyback of the shares. We got approval from the Authorities in Israel to continue. We have about $19,000,000 that we are planning to execute during Q1 and as we mentioned before, we are always looking for opportunities of organic and inorganic activities to leverage our cash position. An example of organic leverage of The cash position is this move from CapEx to OpEx model. We will see the impact And we believe that there will be a great justification to use our balance sheet for this direction.

Speaker 2

And of course, we are looking for inorganic in specific areas of growth in the companies. Once we will have something to report, we will share it with you.

Speaker 8

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Any additional question, Tavy?

Speaker 8

Yes. Just about the model. Should we expect the similar seasonality In 2024?

Speaker 2

Yes. We if I have to correctly, you're asking if we expect to see revenue from the model in 2024?

Speaker 8

Yes, like we will see more back end loaded

Speaker 2

It was difficult to you. Can you repeat the question, please? Is it for the model, the overall model or specifically

Speaker 8

Yes, just the revenue growth. We should expect a similar seasonality in 2024 compared to 2023?

Speaker 2

Yes. Yes. So in terms of 2024, you will see very similar seasonality across the quarter. Q1 is the lowest quarter in terms of supplies and system sales. You will see stronger Q2 And H2 will be much stronger than H1 both from in perspective and system perspective.

Speaker 2

And the same way you will see an improvement on our EBITDA and profitability across the quarter. While we gave a guidance of negative EBITDA in Q1, we expect in Q2 to be closer to breakeven and H2 to be profitable on EBITDA.

Speaker 8

Great. Thank you. That's all for me. I appreciate it.

Operator

Thank Our next question comes from the line of Jim Ricchiuti with Needham and Company. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Hi, thank you. Laurie, I want to make sure I heard you correctly. You're saying that you're expecting modest growth for the year In 2024?

Speaker 3

Yes, that's what we said.

Speaker 9

Got it. And so maybe it would be helpful to understand, what may go into That outlook. So for instance, should we what are the expectations, for instance, with your large global I understand you can't be specific, but it would be helpful in terms of how to think about that. The contribution from Apollo sounds like you're expecting meaningful revenues, although is it fair to say that comes in the more in the back half of the year?

Speaker 2

Okay. So first of all, let me refer to the modest revenue goals and let me So when we say modest revenue growth, we have 3 Major parts in our P and L on the revenue. 1 is Inc, Services and Systems. Ink and Systems, we have relatively very high visibility and predictability. So we expect Inc.

Speaker 2

To continue to grow year over year. We had a very strong year in 2023 and we expect to continue to grow also in 2024. We have a very good visibility and we see how Q1 tracking as well. On service, service we have also a very good visibility because major part of the service is recurring Revenue and some other parts are orders for upgrades like the MAX upgrades that we discussed before. We have a good visibility And service we believe that will continue to grow as well in 2024.

Speaker 2

Where we have Relative lower visibility is on system cells. Now some parts of system cells with good visibility like Apollo, as I mentioned, we already know who will be the customer for 2024. We are working with them. So the Apollo It's one part of it. We have better view also on the direct to fabric, some on the athleisure, but Still we have our pipeline.

Speaker 2

We need to build it and some of it we are planning to build doing a fast event and And the main event that we have, so at this stage still a lot of work to do to build the pipeline on the systems. But overall, we believe that we are going to see a modest growth on overall revenue for 2024. As for our global strategic customers, of course we cannot get into their Purchasing plans for 2024, what I can tell you is that we are working very closely with them. We have a very good visibility where they are heading. I mentioned that The peak season was strong for them without getting into too much details and overall 2023 is strong And I believe that they will continue to grow in 2024 where the plans as For the upgrade that I mentioned on previous call, we still didn't get the PO decision If they are going ahead in 2024 of upgrading the fleet to the MAX and if yes, how many of them, We're still under discussion and we will see once we will have more information, material information, we will share with you.

Speaker 2

There was another part. And you had another

Speaker 9

The other question I had was Just as it relates to Apollo and I do have another follow-up. Apollo, should we assume that the scale up on the revenue on Apollo is more skewed more toward the second half of the year? Or do you see Apollo being a contributor throughout the year? I know you have Some revenue in Q1 obviously? Yes.

Speaker 2

So you will see some of course you will see revenue in Q1 and Q2, but It's correct to assume that more revenue was from the Apollo you will see in H2 of this year.

Speaker 9

Got it. And the follow-up just is With respect to this recurring revenue based model, this revenue model, is There's it's a 5 year contract, minimum impressions per year. Presumably, that scales up each year. Is that fair to say?

Speaker 2

No, it's a minimum volume per year that the customer needs to achieve, And it doesn't change from year to year.

Speaker 6

It's a

Speaker 2

minimum, but we expect the customer will buy additional systems and go between the years.

Speaker 9

And it's mainly geared, Ronen, to the Apollo. It would seem like this would also lend itself, this model, to other products, I guess, this model to other products, I guess, including the direct to fabric business. Is this potentially a template For you looking out a couple of years?

Speaker 2

So right now as I mentioned we are starting with the Apollo and is a pilot. We will learn a lot from it. And of course we are looking to leverage it, if it will be successful to other products and other segments. It can be very successful. It can be very profitable.

Speaker 2

It can open new markets for us. It's a very strong Stickiness to with our customers, those customers that we are speaking with about it are very excited. Some of them in the end decided to go on CapEx and not OpEx once they see the full cost of the OpEx, but for the other it's very, very attractive. So it depends on the customer. And this is part The innovations that Kornit is bringing, Kornit bringing innovation not only the technology, a lot of innovation on marketing, but also innovation on the business model.

Speaker 2

What we are taking is step by step and we are starting only with these products and limited number of customers. We will land from it Then we'll roll it out. We'll decide how to roll it out to other products.

Speaker 9

Can you say how many customers?

Speaker 2

Right now we have one customer that running in this model and we expect to have a few more in the next few months.

Speaker 9

Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Speaker 4

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. As there are no further questions, I would now hand the conference over to Jared Maiman for closing comments.

Speaker 1

Thank you all very much for your time today. As always, should you have any questions, please feel free to reach out directly. And operator, you can close the call.

Operator

Thank you. The conference of CoreNet Digital has now concluded. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.

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Key Takeaways

  • CoreNet achieved adjusted EBITDA breakeven in Q4 2023, driven by double-digit growth in consumables and impressions, marking the fourth consecutive quarter of impressions growth.
  • The company launched its Apollo platform for bulk digital apparel production, securing three beta installations and piloting a recurring revenue model that shifts CapEx to OpEx, targeting $1 million per system annually.
  • Kornit broadened its product portfolio with innovations like MAX technology, the DTF Violette ink solution, and enhanced smart automation, enabling expansion into new segments such as bulk apparel, athleisure, home decor, and footwear.
  • A restructuring plan executed in Q4 2023 will reduce operating expenses by approximately $20 million in 2024 through workforce reductions, facility consolidations, and go-to-market realignments, supporting consistent profitability.
  • For 2024, Kornit expects modest revenue growth, positive cash flow from operations, and adjusted EBITDA improvement despite ongoing macroeconomic headwinds, with Q1 revenue guidance of $43 million–$48 million.
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