PROG Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 21, 2024

There are 9 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Prague Holdings 4th Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, John Baugh, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Prague Holdings 4th quarter 2023 earnings call. Joining me this morning are Steve Michaels, Progg Holdings' President and Chief Executive Officer and Brian Garner, our Chief Financial Officer. Many of you have already seen a copy of our earnings release issued this morning, which is available on our Investor Relations website, investor. Progholdings.com.

Speaker 1

During this call, certain statements we make will be forward looking, including comments regarding our 2024 full year outlook and our outlook for the Q1 of 2024, the health of our portfolio our capital allocation priorities, including our ability to continue paying a quarterly cash dividend and repurchase shares in future periods our expectations regarding GMV and the levels of charge offs and 90 day purchase options in 2024 our expectations regarding the future performance of our other operations and our expectations regarding consumer demand for leasable items in 2024. Listeners are cautioned not to place undue emphasis on forward looking statements we make today, and we undertake no obligation to update any such statements. On today's call, we will be referring to certain non GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA and non GAAP EPS, which have been adjusted for certain items, which may affect the comparability of our performance with other companies. These non GAAP measures are detailed in the reconciliation tables included with our earnings release. The company believes that these non GAAP financial measures provide meaningful insight into the company's operational performance and cash flows and provides these measures to investors to help facilitate comparisons of operating results with prior periods and to assist them in understanding the company's ongoing operational performance.

Speaker 1

With that, I would like to turn the call over to Steve Michaels, ProLog Holdings' President and Chief Executive Officer. Steve?

Speaker 2

Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. I appreciate you joining us as we report Q4 and full year 2023 results that matched or exceeded the outlook we provided in late October. Today, we will cover how Q4 unfolded, how 2023 concluded, our outlook for 2024, some of the strategic initiatives we are implementing to drive our business forward and our decision to initiate a dividend as a complement to our capital return activities. Last year was another challenging year for both our customers and retail partners. The combination of weaker than expected retail traffic and a shift in consumer spending from leasable categories to consumables and experiences impacted our business.

Speaker 2

We navigated these headwinds through strong operational execution and gaining balance of share in our top retail partners, while balancing GMV pressures with portfolio management and continued spend discipline. Despite a decline in revenues for the full year 2023, our gross margin expanded, primarily due to strong customer payment behavior. As a reminder, our portfolio benefited from our decisioning changes made in mid-twenty 22, along with our team's careful monitoring and management of the portfolio throughout 2023, which drove strong customer payments and lower than expected charge offs throughout the year. The portfolio also benefited from fewer customers choosing to exercise their 90 day purchase option in the first half of twenty twenty three. I want to thank our teams for executing at a high level through a volatile macroeconomic and consumer backdrop.

Speaker 2

Gross margin expansion of 2 10 basis points improved write offs of 6.7% compared to 7.7% in 2022 and a disciplined approach to spending drove year over year adjusted EBITDA growth of $41,300,000 or 16.1 percent, resulting in a 12.4% margin for 2023. Our non GAAP diluted EPS of $3.67 grew 41.2% year over year as we also benefited from a lower share count due to our share repurchase program. Turning to Q4 and our GMV performance, we delivered a 1.2% increase in Progressive Leasing GMV, materially above our expectations set in late October when we anticipated a mid single digit decline similar to Q3. The GMV pressures of Q3 2023 continued into October with the month ending down 6.3% year over year. The holiday season, however, performed better than expected, resulting in a positive GMV comp for the quarter.

Speaker 2

We believe this outperformance was driven by a mix of factors, including increased and more effective marketing spend, implementation of various initiatives with our retail partners, slightly higher approval and conversion rates, increased consumer demand for point of sale payment solutions and some signs of trade down effects due to credit tightening above us in the stack. Notably, we observe strong sales in consumer electronics and smartphones during the holiday season. In Q4, e commerce as a percentage of Progressive Leasing GMV was at a seasonal high, representing approximately 20% of total leasing GMV. And we continued to add new e com retail partners during the quarter through our customizable integrations and plug ins. We also deepened our integrations with several existing partners, including launching an e com cart solution with a long time top 5 retail partner.

Speaker 2

In 2023, we added nearly twice as many new e com partners as we added in 2022, which allows us to further our strategy of being able to engage with our customers wherever and whenever is most convenient for them. Entering 2024, we feel good about the health of our portfolio and our cost structure. We continue to make progress against our multi year strategy to grow, enhance and expand. To support our grow pillar, which emphasizes our dedication to business development efforts across new and existing retail partnerships, I'd like to highlight a few focus areas across sales and marketing. Within the retail challenge environment of 2023, we grew balance of share with our top partners and continued our track record of renewing key retailers with multi year exclusive contracts.

Speaker 2

Our sales team creates value for perspective and existing partners through initiatives that drive incremental traffic and improve top of funnel applications and customer conversion. The team is in a business development mindset across all categories existing and new all the time. Our pursuit of new retail opportunities across regional and national brands is an important component of our growth strategy to capture more of our industry's $30,000,000,000 to $40,000,000,000 addressable market. Additionally, under the Grow pillar, we continue to enhance our direct consumer marketing strategies through a focus on the customer lifecycle. We invest in top of the funnel marketing channels and brand awareness as a catalyst to scale growth.

Speaker 2

We also work closely with retail partners to support strategic marketing campaigns to increase new customer acquisition and attract repeat business. Our high repeat customer base, which we nurture with engaging content that builds and maintains relationships, helps us keep a healthy customer lifetime value to cost of acquisition ratio. Our direct to consumer efforts, which we refer to as Prague Marketplace, allow new and repeat customers to shop when and where they want through our mobile app, which has been downloaded more than 4,000,000 times since its launch. We grew the Prague marketplace materially in 2023 and through continued enhancements this year, we plan to roughly double the GMV for Prague marketplace in 2024. We view this marketplace as a complement to our retail partner channel since we already partner with some of the best retailers in the country.

Speaker 2

But we also have affiliate relationships with other leading retailers through our marketplace, which gives our customers more choice. Under our enhanced pillar, we are leveraging technology to make the journey quicker and more seamless for our retail partners and customers. Our recent technology investments provide more self-service tools to enable a superior retailer experience while helping the customer make the best and most informed choices and offer greater personalization for a streamlined shopping and decisioning experience. Also, a portion of our 2024 technology roadmap is dedicated to continuing our investment in our customer centric flexible lease platform to support new features for our customers and retail partners. Additionally, under our enhanced pillar, we launched the Prog Labs R and D group last year to achieve productivity gains within the company and to improve our retailer and customer experience through generative AI.

Speaker 2

These efforts represent a strategic investment in improving our responsiveness to consumer and merchant needs, while reducing costs. In the relatively short period since the launch of Prog Labs, the group has piloted several value creating solutions within customer support, fraud prevention, marketing and code cleanup. Under the expand pillar, our multi product ecosystem continues to empower more of our customers through their financial journey. In 2023, we successfully launched our build product, which combines the benefits of an installment loan and a secured savings account to help customers build both positive credit history and personal savings. We expect 2024 to be a pivotal year as we leverage necessary infrastructure to further integrate Vive, our secondary credit offering, 4, our buy now pay later solution and build our credit building product into our progressive leasing ecosystem.

Speaker 2

We will also lean into marketing and through our cross selling motion believe we will drive incremental leasing GMV. In 2024, through customer acquisition and these cross marketing efforts, we anticipate that our other operations, which include For and Build, will represent the size of a top 10 retailer in terms of the GMV it will drive for our leasing business. Lastly, we've made good progress on the profitability of our other operations. We expect to reduce the drag on our 2024 earnings from these operations by approximately 1 third compared to 2023. And we believe other will reach profitability as we exit the year.

Speaker 2

While Brian will get into more detail on our 2024 outlook, I'd like to summarize how we're thinking about the macro backdrop going into the year. Similar to 2023, due to continued economic pressures our customers are facing, we believe the headwinds and demand for our leasable categories will continue in 2024. However, we are optimistic that as the year progresses, the initiatives outlined in our grow, enhance, expand strategy will further offset these pressures. Despite a strong 2023 holiday season, 2024 started off with GMV pressures across many of our retail partners. With trends softening since the holidays in major leasable categories an uptick in promotional activity by retailers in an attempt to drive traffic could result in a decline in average ticket size.

Speaker 2

Q1 is heavily influenced by the tax refund season, which has yet to really kick in. Tax season impacts our business in several different ways and can have a margin impact due to refunds affecting the level of 90 day purchase activity, but can also have a GMV impact based on the amount of liquidity our customers have. As we understand it, the first large release of refunds will happen this week, but we will not know the full impact of how the tax season will unfold until late March, when most of the tax refund activity should be complete. Our Progressive Leasing GMV for the month of January was down low single digits. And given the macro headwinds and uncertainty I have been discussing, we expect the quarter to end within a similar range.

Speaker 2

Even with these headwinds and unknowns as we enter the year, we are optimistic about our strategic direction, growth initiatives and the health of our portfolio. In terms of gross margin, we have a difficult comparison between this year and last predominantly in the first half of the year. 2023 benefited from a Goldilocks scenario of lower charge offs and fewer customers choosing to exercise their 90 day purchase option in the first half, which based on behavior as we exited 2023, we are not expecting the historically low 90 day purchases from the first half of twenty twenty three to repeat in 2024. Our strategy remains solid across grow, enhance and expand with resources in 2024 focused on numerous initiatives across these three pillars. Turning to capital allocation, Prague Holdings Board of Directors declared a quarterly cash dividend of $0.12 per share for the Q1 of 2024 and increased the availability under the company's share repurchase program to a total of $500,000,000 reflecting our business model strong free cash flow generation and our ongoing commitment to returning excess capital to shareholders.

Speaker 2

We intend to pay a cash dividend on a quarterly basis going forward, subject to a number of factors, including market conditions and approval by our Board of Directors. This dividend initiation is designed to complement our share repurchase program and our capital allocation priorities remain unchanged, prioritizing reinvesting in the business, followed by M and A and returning excess capital to shareholders. In summary, our performance in 2023 and our ongoing strategic initiatives lay a solid foundation for 2024 and beyond. We are excited about the opportunities ahead and remain dedicated to delivering value to our customers, retail partners and shareholders. Before I turn the call over to Brian, I want to announce that Curt Dohman, Co Founder of Progressive Leasing and Chief Innovation Officer and Board Member of Prague Holdings will be retiring as a member of the executive team in this, his 25th year of service.

Speaker 2

While he is retiring from his executive position, Curt will transition to a senior advisor role and will continue as a member of our Board of Directors. It will be impossible to overemphasize the impact that Curt has had on both the virtual lease to own industry and on our company. 25 years ago, Curt and his partner, Brent Wilson, created the industry we now call virtual lease to own with the founding of Progressive Leasing. For the last two and a half decades, Curt has been the driving force behind the grit and innovation that has helped Prague remain a market leader, while creating a better today and unlocking the possibilities of tomorrow for millions of customers through financial empowerment. I want to congratulate Kurt for all he has built and thank him personally on behalf of the entire Prague family for what he has accomplished in his exemplary career.

Speaker 2

We are fortunate that Kurt will continue to advise and counsel us. He will remain involved in strategy, but his primary focus will be driving Prague's philanthropic efforts, specifically the Prague Foundation and its recently launched youth development center, which was also Curt's brainchild. Thanks, Curt. I'll now turn the call over to our CFO, Brian Garner, who will discuss our 2023 financial results and 2024 outlook in greater detail. Brian?

Speaker 3

Thanks, Steve. I'll start with a summary of the Q4 financial highlights. Our 4th quarter results matched or exceeded our outlook, showing strong demand for our virtual Leastown product as sales and marketing initiatives improved GMV results and we continue to demonstrate our ability to manage financial drivers within our control. Beginning with the Progressive Leasing segment, as Steve mentioned, GMV for Progressive Leasing improved 1.2% compared to Q4 of last year, materially above our expectations communicated on our Q3 call of a mid single digit decline. In addition to the benefit of strong consumer demand during the holiday season, our team increased the rate of marketing spend and pursued direct to consumer opportunities, which contributed to overall results.

Speaker 3

As a portfolio business, this GMV tailwind late in the year will contribute more meaningfully to 2024 revenue as compared to Q4 2023 revenue. Revenues for our Progressive Leasing segment declined 6% from $592,900,000 to 557,500,000 We entered the Q4 with a gross leased asset balance down 9.6% as compared to the same time last year and exited 2023 down 5 point 2%, as the improvement in Q4 GMV benefited our portfolio size. Revenue for the Q4 exceeded the top end of our outlook, largely due to the better than expected customer payment behavior along with a slight benefit from the favorable GMV. Year over year, we saw higher portfolio yield driven by favorable charge off trends, while revenue from 90 day purchases remained at normalized levels in the quarter, as gross margin improved 20 basis points year over year to 32.9 percent. Our management of the lease portfolio led to strong customer payment behavior and resulted in a provision for lease merchandise write offs of 7%, the midpoint of our annual targeted range of 6% to 8%.

Speaker 3

Progressive Leasing's SG and A expense as a percentage of revenue increased year over year to 15% in Q4 of 2023 from 13.2% in Q4 of 2022. For the Q4, SG and A expense increased approximately $5,000,000 year over year, primarily due to incremental marketing spend and one time costs associated with the cyber incident that occurred in Q3. As I will discuss further in our outlook, we expect the restructuring actions we took in January have put us on a trajectory for flat SG and A as a percentage of revenue in 2024. Adjusted EBITDA for Progressive Leasing declined from 80 point $4,000,000 to $65,800,000 as headwinds to revenue and SG and A spend in Q4 compared to the same period last year were partially offset by portfolio performance, resulting in adjusted EBITDA margin of 11.8% within our targeted annual range of 11% to 13%. Pivoting to consolidated results, our Q4 non GAAP EPS came in at $0.72 exceeding the top end of our outlook due in part to lower share count that resulted from our share repurchase program.

Speaker 3

Consolidated revenues declined 5.7 percent from $612,100,000 to 577,400,000 dollars driven by the decline at the Progressive Leasing segment. Consolidated adjusted EBITDA declined 18% to 61,000,000 dollars from $74,400,000 in the year ago period, driven by the contraction in revenue at the Progressive Leasing segment, but partially offset by the favorability in gross margin. Our adjusted EBITDA performance was at the midpoint of our outlook. As announced in this morning's earnings press release, the company's Board has approved a quarterly cash dividend of $0.12 per share and increased the remaining authorization under the company's existing share repurchase program to a total of $500,000,000 To echo Steve, these decisions speak to the strong profitability and cash flow generation of our business, which allow us to return value to shareholders through a combination of dividends and share repurchases. We repurchased 4,700,000 shares of our common stock in 2023 at a weighted average price of $29.75 The company generated $204,000,000 of cash from operations, which is net of the working capital needed to fund GMV.

Speaker 3

Moving to the balance sheet. We ended the quarter with net debt of $444,600,000 comprised of $155,400,000 cash $600,000,000 of gross debt, which is 1.49 times our trailing 12 month adjusted EBITDA. We remain undrawn on our $350,000,000 revolver at quarter end. I'll now touch on some key aspects of our 2024 outlook, which was provided in this morning's earnings press release. We expect GMV headwinds to continue through at least the first half of twenty twenty four with the year over year percentage decline of our Q1 GMV down low single digits.

Speaker 3

We expect these first half GMV pressures combined with the gross leased asset balance down 5.2% as we enter 2024 will result in consolidated revenue being down year over year. Our portfolio performance is expected to remain strong and we will continue to actively manage yields throughout 2024. However, we expect gross margin to be a difficult compare to 2023 for the Progressive Leasing segment, as we saw a record low percentage of customers exercising their 90 day purchase option in the first half of last year, coupled with lower charge off rates throughout the year. We anticipate a slight increase in progressive leases provision for lease merchandise write offs, but we still expect to deliver yet another year of consistent performance within our targeted annual range of 6% to 8%. The cost actions that we announced last month, including reduction in workforce, the termination of certain independent sales agent agreements and office based consolidation are intended to drive efficiencies within the cost structure and should allow for the Progressive Leasing segment's SG and A as a percentage of revenue to remain roughly flat year over year.

Speaker 3

In 2024, these cost actions will drive roughly $10,000,000 of year over year savings for Progressive Leasing, partially offset by investments and growth initiatives across the leasing business and other operations. Turning to the consolidated outlook for 2024, We expect revenues to be in the range of $2,240,000,000 to $2,340,000,000 adjusted EBITDA in the range of $230,000,000 to $250,000,000 and non GAAP EPS in the range of $2.70 to $3 This outlook assumes a difficult operating environment with continued soft demand for consumer durable goods, no material changes in the company's decisioning posture an effective tax rate for non GAAP EPS of approximately 29%, no material increases in the unemployment rate for our consumer and no impact from additional share repurchases. In closing, I want to emphasize the company's ability to operate at a high level through a challenging macro environment and thank the teams for several wins during 2023, including an increase in balance of share with top retail partners, the renewal of multi year exclusive agreements with several key partners, strong portfolio performance and disciplined SG and A spending. In 2024, we will continue to focus on the growth initiatives balanced with portfolio performance and controlled spending to maximize shareholder value.

Speaker 3

I will now turn the call back over to the operator for the Q and A portion of the call.

Operator

Operator? Thank you. At this time, we'll conduct a question and answer session. Our first question comes from Kyle Joseph with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hey, good morning, Steve and Brian. Congrats on navigating a challenging year and thanks for taking my questions. I'd love to start just getting your perspective on kind of the health of the underlying consumer in your guidance kind of run through, you talked about a normalization of VVO activity, but also a little bit higher provision. Is that a function what's driving that? Is that really just a function of the kind of the Goldilocks scenario reversing, obviously weighing inflation, but a relatively healthy employment environment, but just kind of want to get the sense of what's going on with your consumer.

Speaker 2

Yes, you got it, Kyle. Thank you. And you hit on some of it, right? So without going too far in the past, obviously, 2022 was a super stressful time for consumer with inflation. And then 2023 was certainly stable and maybe you could even say improving.

Speaker 2

And you mentioned Goldilocks, right? So we've talked a lot about the lower 90 day buyouts that happened during tax season. And probably as, if not more importantly, those 90 day buyouts that did not happen, those customers continuing to pay, and not like rolling through to a charge off. So they might have had some stress that caused them not to be able to do the 90 day or to choose not to do the 90 day, but they were able to continue making their payments. And that resulted in the Goldilocks.

Speaker 2

Now as you flip to the back half of 2023, the 90 day activity normalized, and certainly that's where we were exiting 2023. And it's difficult for us to assume that Goldilocks or historically low levels of 90 days are going to repeat. We don't really have a ton of visibility into that right now because tax season really hasn't really kicked in yet. But that's what's baked into our view. The consumer is in good shape.

Speaker 2

Employment, as you said, is strong. There's certainly been some cost inflation that has an outsized impact on our consumer, but jobs are good. So we're not waiting for the shoe to drop. We're just not assuming that the Goldilocks that happened in for the most of 'twenty three, but certainly more pronounced in the first half of 'twenty three are it will repeat. We'll have more visibility into that over the next 6 or 8 weeks as tax season plays out.

Speaker 2

But we're in good shape from a consumer health standpoint. We're just not expecting a complete repeat of 2023.

Speaker 4

Got it. Yes, that makes sense. And then just one follow-up from me. I think you mentioned that you saw a little bit of a tailwind in Q4 GMV as a result of the trade down effect. But just want to pick your brain on your perspective.

Speaker 4

Obviously, it seems like the macro environment changes a few weeks ago. We're talking about soft landing and now we're talking about potentially higher rates. And then obviously some big news in the prime consumer finance space this week. But give us a sense like are you seeing kind of incremental trade down into the Q4 and expectations just from your conversations with retailers?

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, Kyle. Yes, I mean, we believe that the 4th quarter benefited and the holiday season benefited from certainly a number of factors, one of which was more evidence of a trade down impact, which as we've talked about for many quarters, we've been anticipating and it has been delayed. But we did talking to our retail partners, we did hear that finance generally was a bright spot during the holidays. And that wasn't just LTO, that was from the primary all the way to LTO, and which demonstrates the consumers' need for a payment option on big ticket items.

Speaker 2

And we've also heard directly from retailers that their primaries have told them that they have tightened and are planning to tighten again in the future. The way we think about it though is it's really more about the traffic, right? The traffic that is generated of that traffic, more consumers we believe will need a purchase option, overtime purchase option and less of them will be approved by their primary providers. So that's one of the drivers of our belief that we can continue to gain balance of share within our retail partners and offset the otherwise challenging demand environment. The magnitude of the trade down impact, the tailwind, if you will, is difficult to predict because even if you see top of funnel dynamics, it's not a direct or linear relationship to funded GMV.

Speaker 2

But it's certainly a removal of a headwind and we hope it will be a tailwind into 2024 and beyond.

Speaker 4

Got it. Very helpful. Thanks for taking my questions.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Kyle.

Operator

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Jason Haas with Bank of America. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Hey, good morning and thanks for taking my questions. I'm curious if you could find a little bit more color on what you saw in regards to write offs in 4Q. I think historically you've seen write offs will tick down from 3Q to 4Q, but this quarter we saw a step up. And then following on that, I'm just curious about how you're thinking about the cadence of write offs on through 2024?

Speaker 3

Yes, Kyle. There is some seasonal dynamics there, but right in the middle of our historical range of 7% and there was no inclination that the portfolio was degradation in any way beyond where we're comfortable. All indications are we're in a very healthy place as we enter into 2024. As we look at 2024, as we've sized up the current macro and what Steve alluded to kind of the reversion from a Goldilocks scenario to a more normalized scenario. We do expect maybe just a slight uptick on an annualized basis from what we posted here in 2023, which was below the midpoint of that 6% to 8%.

Speaker 3

Portfolio remains at the forefront of what we're focused on from a P and L management standpoint and optimizing gross margins. But I think we feel very confident in our ability to deliver within that range for 2024.

Speaker 5

This is Jason. And just to clarify, was there any decisioning changes? Did you lose some credit at all in the quarter or no?

Speaker 2

Jason, this is Steve. We're always tweaking and adjusting and testing on the decisioning, but no wholesale changes were done in the quarter. Approval rates in the quarter were slightly higher than the previous year, more so in the online channel than in the in store channel, but on a weighted average, slightly higher. And obviously, as you know, those different channels have different conversion dynamics. There's more purchase intent if you're in the store versus online.

Speaker 2

So an increase or a change to approve rates in store would have a bigger impact on GMV, but nothing that we believe really flows through into a noticeable change in our portfolio performance or certainly write offs.

Speaker 5

Got it. That's helpful. And then as a follow-up, I was curious if you could provide some more color on the weakness that you've seen in January. I'm curious how that compared on e commerce versus store. I know there were some bad winter weather in January in certain regions.

Speaker 5

And then also by category, if there are any categories that were noticeably stronger or weaker in January?

Speaker 2

Yes. I mean, January has been I know you follow it very closely, pretty well documented how fairly soft. And I told the team we weren't allowed to say the word weather on the call, but you broke the seal for us. So certainly some weather events out there in across the country that had more impact on in store than online. But coming out of the holiday season, we did see a low in January, as we said in the prepared remarks, down kind of low single digits.

Speaker 2

There wasn't a marked difference between the 2 different channels. As far as categories go, we similar to the holiday season, we continue to see consumer electronics was actually performing better. And some of the promotionally driven furniture stores had some decent days or decent weekends. But overall, it was softer than we were planning for.

Speaker 5

So was there any pickup during the Presidents' Day weekend or too early

Speaker 1

to say? Yes, too early

Speaker 2

to say. We partnered well with our retailers for their the sales that they were the campaigns they were putting on. The data will still come in with some delay in funded leases and deliveries and things of that nature. And as you have written, tax season and whether it's delayed or not has an impact on purchase activity during Presidents' Day. So it's difficult to really put a pin in February until we start to see how tax season comes through and really not through until the end of March what's going to happen.

Speaker 5

Got it. Really helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Jason.

Operator

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Bradley Thomas with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Hi, good morning. I apologize if I missed this in the prepared remarks,

Speaker 5

but I don't

Speaker 6

think it was in the press release. Steve, I was hoping you could talk a little bit about customer accounts and how that's been trending. I believe you're starting to lap a point where there was a bit of a step down in the number of customers about a year ago. So just curious about how that's trending and how you all are thinking about that going forward?

Speaker 2

Yes, Brad, I don't have those numbers right in front of me. We can get those to you after in the after call that we'll file the K here shortly as well. But obviously, we have a lot of repeat business. We are always looking to add new customers to the ecosystem and that's some of the discussion that we had about our multi product ecosystem and the other products that we have helping to introduce new customers to all of our products, including leasing. From the existing retailers that we have, we the more mature those relationships become, we will have a higher repeat business.

Speaker 2

So obviously, we're working very hard to try and add new retailers and then we'll get a new influx of customers in that regard. But as far as the year over year customer numbers, I don't have those right in front of me.

Speaker 3

I'm happy.

Speaker 6

Can you guys still hear me?

Speaker 2

Yes, we got you.

Speaker 3

Yes, I was going to say, yes, I've got a you'll see in the K, there's it's down just slightly, but consistent with the decline in GM or GLA, so right around 5%. So there's not a there's not a disconnect from customer count and GLA. So it's pretty consistent.

Speaker 6

I appreciate it. Really, I was going to kind of tie it to my follow-up question just around dynamics like average lease balance and some of the dynamics with deflation that we're seeing out from your retail partners, broadly a lot of the hard goods, furniture, etcetera, have been seeing deflation, particularly as lower container rates have flowed through. So I was curious how you're seeing that affect your business, if it's been reducing average lease balance or if the customers are taking up usable capacity they have with you to which they're approved for it? And then kind of how you're thinking about that dynamic going forward?

Speaker 2

Yes. We actually I don't remember if we talked about that on last February's call, but it was we expected that to happen a little bit anyways, reduction in average basket size or ticket size in 2023. And we didn't really see it. It was fairly flat in 2023. But we are seeing whether it be deflation or promotional activity to clear inventory out, there could be some pressure on average ticket and that is there's a small amount of that baked into our forecast for 2024.

Speaker 6

Got you. Understood. Well, if I could squeeze in one last one, obviously the new share repurchase program, quite sizable. Just curious if you could give us any context around leverage ratios or potential capacity to get after that program over the course of this year?

Speaker 2

Yes. I mean, we I'll call it topped up the repurchase authorization the Board did up to $500,000,000 As you know, we've been pretty aggressive acquirers of our stock over the last several years, and we'll continue to look at that for our preferred method of returning capital to shareholders. However, we did initiate a dividend as well. The Board approved that. And so that we look at that as a nice complement to those activities.

Speaker 2

As it relates to leverage ratios, it's similar to what we have said. We're kind of comfortable in that 1.5 to 2 turns of net leverage range. And that'll we look at that on an annual basis, not necessarily on a quarter to quarter basis because that's going to fluctuate. But the current leverage ratio is comfortable for us and we will generate cash in pretty much all scenarios that we can accomplish from a growth standpoint. And certainly, our forecast for 2024 has us generating additional cash flow.

Speaker 2

And as we define excess cash flow, we'll look to return that to continue to return that to shareholders with our primary vehicle being repurchases, but now we have a dividend as well.

Speaker 5

Great. Thank you so much, Steve.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Brad.

Operator

One moment. Our next question comes from Anthony Chukumba with Loop Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I guess my first question is in terms of what you're seeing on the retail part in the retail partner pipeline, both from an SMB perspective, but also from an enterprise perspective?

Speaker 2

Yes, Anthony. I mean, obviously, pipeline is a big focus of ours, continues to be. On the SMB side, depending on which vertical or category you're in, there's various levels of maturation. And as we've talked about a number of times, that's a more, I'll call it, competitive area with more players out there. But we do a great job in the regional SMB space and we'll continue to look to grow that business through growing existing partnerships as well as converting pipeline.

Speaker 2

The national side or the enterprise side is always a frustratingly long sales cycle and not really any new updates and certainly not any names for you here this morning, but clearly remains a top priority of ours. And we believe this continued challenging environment is a supportive backdrop for those conversations to lead to conversions. Got it. That's helpful.

Speaker 7

And then as you think about GMV, so you mentioned that you think your GMV is going to be down low single digits for the Q1. What do you think has to happen for GMV to possibly inflect this year? I mean, you did have a nice GMV, certainly much better than you expected in 1st positive GMV growth in quite some time in the Q4. So what do you think has to happen for us to see positive GMV growth, let's say, for the in the last three quarters or any of the last three quarters of 2024? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes, Anthony, I mean, we have a lot of things going on internally with our existing retail partners. I think we highlighted an e com card integration with a long time top 5 partner. It's those types of things can help us overcome an otherwise soft demand environment. And we have a number of those things on the road map. And many of those one of the things that the current difficult retail environment has done, while we haven't resulted in a large enterprise pipeline conversion, it has resulted in increased prioritization of projects from existing retailers.

Speaker 2

And so our internal objectives, including Prog Marketplace, our direct to consumer motion that I mentioned in the prepared remarks, as well as our cross sell marketing motions from our other products can kind of manufacture GMV in the face of a tough environment. And while we're working day and night on large pipeline conversions, we can play small ball and hit singles and doubles and really inflect that or overcome hopefully that soft environment. So those are the things we're working on. And we mentioned in the that we expect the progress on those things certainly as the year progresses and look forward to continuing to report out to you guys on that.

Speaker 7

That's helpful. Thank you.

Operator

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Bobby Griffin with Raymond James. Your line is open.

Speaker 8

Good morning. This is Alessandra Jimenez on for Bobby Griffin. Thank you for taking our questions. Maybe first, just a follow-up on GMV. My apologies that I missed it in the prepared remarks, but what is the full year 2024 sales guidance imply for the full year GMV outlook?

Speaker 2

Yes. We don't actually guide the GMV for the year. So obviously everybody has their models and you can kind of back into revenue, although disposition types and those revenue composition will have a big factor in that. So what we did last year and what we intend to do this year is give a little bit of view on what we think GMV will be for the quarter as we're reporting on it or the next quarter in front of us as we're reporting on the last one, but we have not given a full guide for GMV for 2024.

Speaker 8

Okay, understood. And then maybe just on 2024 profitability guidance, what are the building blocks to kind of get us to the low end versus the high end of that range? Is it just revenue dependent or are there some other puts and takes there?

Speaker 3

Yes. I think what I'd point you to in terms of some of the variability that exists within the model. Obviously, there's the revenue dynamics, which you pointed to in a challenging environment. I would also just highlight the gross profit and the gross margin dynamic. I think as we've explored different scenarios, there's the potential for variability there.

Speaker 3

I think we're confident in our ability to manage the portfolio like we said, but if the Goldilocks scenario that we saw in 2023 persists for any duration here in 2024, that's obviously upside to the model and we'll continue to protect against the downside. So I think the gross margin and gross profit is outside of revenue is the other single biggest factor. From an SG and A perspective, I think those cost dynamics remain well within our control and we manage and align those with what we're seeing on top line, yes, it's really revenue and the gross margin dynamic.

Speaker 8

Okay. That's very helpful. And then lastly for me, we're pleased to see the dividend announcement and then as I said, upping the share repurchase, just given the strong cash flow generation of the business, what is the implied free cash flow off of the guide? Should we expect a similar adjusted EBITDA to cash flow conversion in 2023 2024?

Speaker 3

Yes. I mean, I think that's fair. There's a cash taxes dynamic where you might have a little more in cash taxes. But I think the relationship between EBITDA and free cash flow is relatively consistent. The big variable in that is GMV and as you're putting working capital out on the street.

Speaker 3

So what I'd pay attention to there is obviously if we start to exceed our GMV plan or GMV starts to come later in the year, that can be a pretty significant usage of free cash flow. So that's the variability I'd point you towards, but otherwise you're thinking about it right. The consistency between EBITDA and free cash flow absent those dynamics.

Speaker 8

Thank you so much. Best of luck in 2024.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

That concludes the question and answer session. At this time, I would like to turn the call back to Steve Michaels, President and Chief Executive Officer, for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Yes. I'd like to, again, thank you guys for joining us this morning and for your continued interest in Prague Holdings. Our teams did a great job and delivered a strong 2023. We feel good about the positioning of our portfolio and we're making the right investments in people and technology to further our 3 pillared strategy of grow, enhance, expand. We look forward to updating you on our progress on 2024's initiatives during our Q1 call in late April.

Speaker 2

Hope you have a great day.

Operator

Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.

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