AerCap Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 23, 2024

There are 11 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the AerCap Holdings N. V. 4th Quarter 2023 Financial Results. Today's conference is being recorded and a transcript will be available following the call on the company's website. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Joseph McGinley, Head of Investor Relations.

Operator

Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator, and hello, everyone. Welcome to our Q4 2023 conference call. With me today is our Chief Executive Officer, Aengus Kelly and our Chief Financial Officer, Pete Juhas. Before we begin today's call, would like to remind you that some statements made during this conference call, which are not historical facts, may be forward looking statements. Forward looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results or events to differ materially from those expressed or implied in such statements.

Speaker 1

AerCap undertakes no obligation other than that imposed by law to publicly update or revise any forward looking statements to reflect future events, information or circumstances that arise after this call. Further information concerning issues that could materially affect performance can be found in AerCap's earnings release dated February 23, 2024. A copy of the earnings release and conference call presentation are available on our website at aercap.com. This call is open to the public and is being webcast simultaneously atercap.com and will be archived for replay. We will shortly run through our earnings presentation and will allow time at the end for Q and A.

Speaker 1

As a reminder, I would ask that analysts limit themselves to one question and one follow-up. I will now turn

Speaker 2

the call over to Aengus Kelly. Thank you for joining us for our Q4 2023 earnings call. I am pleased to report another year of record earnings for AerCap. We generated GAAP net income of $3,100,000,000 and earnings per share of $13.78 Adjusted net income came in at 2,400,000,000 dollars and adjusted EPS at $10.73 and we generated a record operating cash flow of $5,300,000,000 We expect to see a continuation of the trends in 2024 that we observed last year in terms of the supportive supply demand dynamic, continued accretive capital deployment and demand for our assets, leading to an EPS range of 7.50 dollars to $8.50 However, this does not include the impact of any gain on sale, which historically has been significant. Given the continued strength of the business and consistent cash generation, I am also pleased to announce another $500,000,000 share repurchase program.

Speaker 2

Taking total authorizations in the last 12 months to over $3,000,000,000 We continue to see tremendous value in the stock today and this latest authorization underscores our confidence in the outlook for 2024 and beyond. As we have consistently said for some time, demand continues to outstrip supply for aircraft, for engines and for helicopters. We expect this dynamic to persist for many years. The largest global leasing conference was just hosted in Dublin and attracted over 5,000 people to the event. It was clear from the many conversations we had with airlines, aircraft traders and financiers that demand for aviation assets continues to grow.

Speaker 2

Unsurprisingly, the main concern for airlines at the moment is around sourcing lift and the reliability of their fleet. So in tandem with our engine leasing business, we are in a unique position to offer multifaceted solutions, putting us in a very envious position. On the trading side, we continue to see a healthy bid for aircraft from investors and other lessors and expect to see robust demand for aviation assets continuing throughout the year. The topic that dominates most conversations today is the global supply demand imbalance. And I'd like to spend some time talking about how we have reached this point.

Speaker 2

As we see it, there have been 3 substantial drivers of today's aircraft shortage. The first dates back to the grounding of the 737 MAX in March 2019, which resulted in significant cuts to Boeing's narrow body production rates, followed by COVID in 2020, where production rates across the board were cut by Boeing and Airbus. As a result, the 723 aircraft delivered in 2020 represented only 45% of 20 eighteen's output. Moving forward to 2023, it is clear from the chart on the left that production rates are still yet to fully recover and remain approximately 20% below 2018 levels. So whilst there is plenty of discussion about when the OEMs will return to their pre COVID output rates, Many seem to overlook the 2,700 new technology aircraft that simply have not been built in the last 5 years.

Speaker 2

This is one of the main reasons why I expect this favorable supply demand dynamic to persist for many years to come. Even if Boeing and Airbus do manage to resolve the many issues facing their supply chains and deliver on their promises for 2025 or 2026, that is really only the beginning. The second factor revolves around new engine reliability during their maturation phase. As the first batch of new technology engines come off the production line, they must undergo rigorous testing and checks following their initial entry into service. If these checks do not result in any issues, then longer and longer lead times are allowed between shop visits, increasing reliability and time on wing.

Speaker 2

This is a natural part of any new engine development. In an ordinary environment, this would be expected to cause some minor delays to the earliest equipment. However, as a result of the already stressed MRO network, the shortage of parts and labor and further compounded by the recent Pratt and Whitney powdered metal issue, this is stretching engine turnaround times to over 1 year in some cases. As you can see from the chart on the right hand side, this is leading to outside storage rates for younger aircraft. Amazingly, there are currently more 0 to 5 year old aircraft stored than any other age group under 20 years.

Speaker 2

Outside the MAX grounding, this had not happened before in the last 25 years. Finally, the 3rd major factor impacting supply today came as a result of the reduction in shop visit activity in 2020 2021. This is for both aircraft and engines. During that period, airlines did all they could to reduce capital expenditure on their fleet to preserve cash. Naturally, this had a significant impact on the MRO network, which reacted by cutting capacity and headcount to stay in business.

Speaker 2

That meant when demand for engine and aircraft shop visits returned in late 2021 into 2022, there was a significant backlog of shop visits to be completed, fast in a smaller MRO network. This has led to consistently longer turnaround times and time off wing and on the ground for many engines and aircraft. These issues persist today and will continue to do so into the future. Together, these three factors create sustained demand for our new slots, our used aircraft and a wide array of engines. As the leading provider of all these assets in the market, AerCap is in a strong position to capitalize on this trend, increasing returns across the portfolio and driving growth in earnings.

Speaker 2

The combination of these favorable conditions is most evident today on our gain on sale line, which is the most immediate way to take advantage of this heightened demand. We are of course also increasing lease rates, which support the continued strength in our operating cash flows and margins. I'll touch on those later. Before that though, let me take you through the math of how we recycle capital to create value for you, our shareholders. In 2023, AerCap sold 74 aircraft, 65 engines and 28 helicopters.

Speaker 2

These assets were held in our books for $2,270,000,000 However, we sold them for $2,760,000,000 generating a gain of $490,000,000 This equates to a 22% gain on the carrying value of the assets. But importantly, an 80% gain on the equity component of those assets. So after repaying the 1,660,000,000 dollars of debt attaching to those assets to keep our leverage neutral, we have $1,100,000,000 to deploy into share repurchases. As the stock was trading at an average discount of 0.8 times our book value, we were able to buy back $1,380,000,000 of stock. So from the starting position of $615,000,000 of equity we had against those assets, we were able to generate $490,000,000 from the gain on the sale of the assets and a further $276,000,000 through the discounted share repurchases.

Speaker 2

So in total, we ended up at $1,380,000,000 adding those 3 together, the $615,000,000 the $4.90,000,000 and the 2.76 dollars And this results in a 2.25 times book equity multiple. Gains on sale are not limited to aircraft. Engines and Helicopters are also in demand, selling for gains in the period. Our engine leasing businesses in particular are benefiting from the widespread shortages of engines, increased turnaround times and time off wing, as airlines scramble for capacity to take advantage of the strong passenger yields available. Another pleasing aspect on the trading side this year was that the improved gain on sale performance was reflected across our entire fleet and not simply a few outliers or solely from the GECAS transaction.

Speaker 2

It was notable that the gain on sale margin from the sale of legacy AerCap assets was actually higher in the year than the former GECAS assets. This should not be a surprise to you. We have demonstrated for more than 10 years in a row that the market value of our assets is much higher than our book values would imply, as we generated over $1,900,000,000 of gains on sale in that period. To do this consistently across such a broad variety of assets and market dynamics reflects the inherent value created by the unique AerCap platform and our consistent portfolio management strategy. So when we say that not all book values of leasing companies are created equal, This is what we mean and this is what we demonstrate.

Speaker 2

While gains on sale represent the strength of our portfolio, a trend we see continuing is our consistently strong cash flows, which form the bedrock of our earnings and capital deployment. In 2023, we generated operating cash flows of $5,300,000,000 our highest ever. Please bear in mind, our operating cash flow does not include the $1,300,000,000 of proceeds from Russian insurance claims or the nearly $500,000,000 of gain on sale. These strong cash flows allowed us to buy back over $2,600,000,000 of stock or 18% of the company between March December 2023, while at the same time we delevered AerCap's balance sheet in doing so. This is a key part of our strategy.

Speaker 2

As you know, we are incredibly focused on how to maximize the value of AerCap for our shareholders and to do so in a prudent and sustainable way. Since 2015, we have returned $7,000,000,000 to you, our shareholders. And with today's announcement, it will exceed $7,500,000,000 We have returned this amount of capital despite the impact of COVID in 2020, the conflict in Ukraine in 2022 and the completion of a $31,000,000,000 M and A deal in between, demonstrating the tremendous cash generating power and resilience of AerCap. We have not taken unnecessary risk to do this. In fact, the reality is that by selling our less desirable assets and recycling that capital into a stronger company at a discount, we are actually improving AerCap's risk profile, assets and returns at the same time.

Speaker 2

In 2023 alone, AerCap would have been in the 99th percentile of the S and P 500 Companies for share repurchases. And yet, we delevered our balance sheet while doing so. This is leading to consistent returns for AerCap shareholders and an upward trajectory in our credit rating, where we are on positive outlook with both S and P and Moody's. So to wrap up, AerCap's book value per share ended the year above $83 growing by 25% last year. And as Pete will reference shortly, we remain confident in our ability to grow it even further in the year ahead.

Speaker 2

AerCap's platform is clearly the best in the business. We offer more services and products to our customers around the world with an unrivaled level of execution. We will continue to do what's right for you, our shareholders, and look forward to demonstrating the results of this strategy in the year ahead. With that, I'll now hand the call over to Peace to review the financials and the outlook for 2024. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thanks Gus. Good morning everyone. AerCap had a record performance for the Q4. Our GAAP net income was $1,100,000,000 or $5.37 per share. This included recoveries of $614,000,000 related to our Russian aircraft, which is included in net recoveries related to the Ukraine conflict.

Speaker 3

The impact of purchase accounting adjustments was $83,000,000 for the quarter. This included lease premium amortization of $40,000,000 which reduced our basic lease rents, maintenance rights amortization of $25,000,000 which reduced maintenance revenue and maintenance rights amortization of $18,000,000 which increased leasing expenses. The tax effect of the insurance settlement proceeds and these purchase accounting items was $66,000,000 So taking all of that into account, our adjusted net income for the Q4 was $641,000,000 or $3.11 per share. I'll talk briefly about the main drivers that affected our results for the 4th quarter. Basic lease rents were $1,576,000,000 that reflects continued strong cash collections and we also continue to benefit from Power by the Hour rents from our lessees that are on PBH arrangements in their leases.

Speaker 3

As I mentioned, our basic lease rents reflected $40,000,000 of lease premium amortization, which reduces our basic lease rents. Lease premium assets are amortized over the remaining term of the lease as a reduction to basic lease rents. Maintenance revenues for the 4th quarter were $142,000,000 and that reflects $25,000,000 in maintenance rights assets that were amortized to maintenance revenue during the quarter. So in other words, maintenance revenue would have been $25,000,000 higher or $167,000,000 without this amortization. Net gain on sale of assets was $94,000,000 for the quarter.

Speaker 3

We sold 35 of our owned assets during the Q4 for total sales revenue of $625,000,000 That resulted in a gain on sale margin of 18% for the 4th quarter. And at the end of the year, we had $297,000,000 worth of assets held for sale. For the full year 2023, we sold nearly $2,800,000,000 worth of assets and recorded a total gain on sale of $490,000,000 which is an average unlevered gain on sale margin of 22%. As I mentioned earlier, net recoveries related to the Ukraine conflict were $614,000,000 which primarily consisted of recoveries of insurance claims on our Russian aircraft on lease to 4 Russian airlines. Interest expense was $496,000,000 for the quarter, which included $19,000,000 of mark to market losses on interest rate derivatives.

Speaker 3

Our leasing expenses were $135,000,000 for the quarter, including $18,000,000 of maintenance rights amortization expenses. Income tax expense for the Q4 was $39,000,000 We recognized tax benefits of $85,000,000 that include valuation allowance releases and other items. And as a from Russian insurance settlements as these go through investing cash flow. We continue to maintain a strong liquidity position. As of December 31, our total sources of liquidity were around $19,000,000,000 which resulted in the next 12 months sources to use coverage ratio of 1.4 times.

Speaker 3

That's well above our target of 1.2 times coverage and represents excess cash coverage of around $6,000,000,000 Our leverage ratio at the end of the quarter was 2.47 times. That's lower than last quarter and also lower than in the beginning of 2023. So even after taking delivery of 80 aircraft, 76 engines and 17 helicopters, dollars 6,200,000,000 of cash CapEx for the year and after $2,600,000,000 of share repurchases during the year, we were still able to delever. And that really demonstrates the significant amount of cash flow and capital that AerCap generated over the past year. Our total operating cash flow was around $1,400,000,000 for the 4th quarter, driven by continued strong cash collections.

Speaker 3

And as I mentioned earlier, it was $5,300,000,000 for the full year. Our secured debt to total assets ratio was around 14% at the end of December, which is basically in line with prior quarters. Our average cost of debt was 3.7 percent for the 4th quarter. Our book value per share was $83.81 as of December 31, which represents an increase of 25% over our book value per share at the beginning of 2023. During the Q4, we repurchased 10,300,000 shares at an average price of $62.86 for a total of $649,000,000 And for the full year, we repurchased 44,000,000 shares at an average price of $59.09 for a total of $2,600,000,000 So clearly 2023 was an outstanding year for AerCap with adjusted EPS of $10.73 As we look out into 2024, we remain confident about the future.

Speaker 3

For 2024, we're projecting adjusted EPS of $7.50 to $8.50 before any gains on sale. I think it's useful to walk from 2023 to 2024 to call out some of the major items. In 2023, we had gains on sale of $490,000,000 or $1.88 per share after tax. We also had over $100,000,000 of power by the hour rents that we received on leases that had a PVH period at the front end of the lease. As I've mentioned on previous earnings calls, most of those leases have now converted to regular fixed rate rents.

Speaker 3

In almost all cases, the fixed rate rents are higher than the PBH rents we were receiving. So we expect cash receipts from these leases to increase by over $40,000,000 this year. However, from an accounting standpoint, during the PBH period, we recognized both the straight line fixed rent, which is the average of the fixed rent across the entire term of the lease and the PVH rent. Once we move out of the PVH period, we only recognize the straight line fixed rent. So as a result, we'll record lower revenues from these leases in 2024 even though we're receiving more cash and the effect of those revenues is around $0.70 a share after tax.

Speaker 3

As I mentioned, we also recognize a number of significant tax benefits in 2023, which led to a low effective tax rate of only 8.9%. In 2024, we expect to have a higher effective tax rate, which I'll talk about in a moment. So that's a headwind of around $0.57 a share in 2024 compared to 2023. Those are the major items to call out. The other column includes everything else, including higher lease revenues, higher interest costs, the impact of share repurchases and other items.

Speaker 3

We expect the net effect of all of these will be about $0.42 positive in 2024. That takes us to an EPS range of $7.50 to $8.50 for 2024, again, not including any gains on sale during the year. On the next slide, you can see a breakdown of our projected income statement for 2024 showing the major line items. For the full year 2024, we expect to have lease revenue of around $6,300,000,000 maintenance revenues around $700,000,000 and other income of around $300,000,000 for total revenue of around $7,200,000,000 We've assumed that we will have cash CapEx of around $7,200,000,000 for the year and asset sales of $2,000,000,000 As you know, these figures can vary significantly. CapEx is largely dependent on OEM deliveries and sales volume depends on the demand for assets and the time it takes to close those sales.

Speaker 3

We're projecting depreciation and amortization around $2,700,000,000 and interest expense of around $2,100,000,000 We expect leasing expenses, SG and A and other expenses to total around $1,200,000,000 for the year. On tax, we've assumed a tax rate of 16.5%. So I'll talk about that for a moment. Historically, we've generally assumed a tax rate of around 14%. The corporate tax rate in Ireland where we own the vast majority of our assets is 12.5%, but we're subject to taxes at higher rates on assets in other countries, which is why we've typically projected an overall tax rate a little above the Irish corporate rate.

Speaker 3

At the beginning of this year, we became subject to global minimum tax under Pillar 2 of the OECD's minimum tax directive, which results in a top up tax for jurisdictions such as Ireland, where the company is paying an effective tax rate of less than 15%. We expect Pillar 2 to increase our tax rate by around 2.5%. So that's why we've assumed a 16.5% effective tax rate for 2024. In 2024, we expect to recognize earnings of around $200,000,000 from our equity investments, which is primarily our engine joint leasing joint venture SCS, but also includes some other smaller equity investments. And altogether, that gives us projected GAAP net income of around $1,200,000,000 After purchase accounting adjustments around $400,000,000 after tax, we expect to have adjusted net income of around $1,600,000,000 for the year.

Speaker 3

And that gives us an adjusted EPS range of $7.50 to $8.50 for the year, again, not including any gains on sale. So overall, we're coming off a record year for AerCap in terms of revenues, earnings, EPS, operating cash flow and return of capital to shareholders. As we look forward into 2024, we continue to see a strong supply demand imbalance that shows no signs of ending anytime soon. We believe we can continue to produce strong results and outperform and we'll continue to vigorously pursue insurance settlements with the Russian insurers as well as our own insurance claims. You can see this confidence in the future of our business demonstrated by the new $500,000,000 share repurchase authorization that we announced today.

Speaker 3

And with that, operator, we can open up the call for Q and A.

Operator

Thank We'll go first to Ross Harvey with Davy.

Speaker 2

Hi, good afternoon, Gus, Pete, Joseph. Congrats on a very strong results. Two questions for me. Firstly, appears that your net spread less appreciation may have tightened in Q4. Can you address that?

Speaker 2

And secondly, I guess the 2024 guide might look quite conservative relative to how you finished from 2023. So can you just talk us through that again? Thanks.

Speaker 3

Sure. Thanks, Ross. So on the net spread, the net spread decreased in the 4th quarter because we brought forward some interest costs through the earlier refinancing of some bond maturities. It's also worth noting that we're earning higher interest income on our cash balances at the moment, but that comes through other income not through the net spread. Similarly, our net spread less depreciation also went down because we accelerate depreciation on some older aircraft during the quarter where we eliminated the return condition in the leases.

Speaker 3

So while that leads to a higher depreciation expense, it also leads to higher maintenance revenue, which is also not part of net spread. And just by the way, as we look out to the year ahead, I think that after the effective PBH, is around 30 basis points, we'd expect the net spread to be stable in 2024. And it's worth keeping in mind just on net spread that we don't manage the business to maximize net spread. We do it to maximize EPS. So for example, when we sell older assets that brings down the net spread, but we're reinvesting those proceeds as Gus mentioned at higher returns to maximize EPS.

Speaker 3

As we look at the guidance for next year. So look last year our initial guidance for 2023 was EPS of $7 to $7.50 and we ended up producing EPS of 10.78 dollars This year, we're guiding to $7.50 to $8.50 So you can make an estimate as to where we'll end up. It's the same management team running the company. We did the projections on the same basis that we did last year. And of course, we'd hope to beat those numbers.

Speaker 3

The guidance excludes gains on sale. It includes estimates for default costs and higher interest rates. And there's good reason to think that we could outperform on all of those items. Because fundamentally, it's not like everything has changed when we entered a new year. We're still seeing the same industry supply demand issues that we saw last year.

Speaker 3

We're still seeing the same strong demand for assets and we're still pursuing the same strategy to maximize the value of our assets and produce value for our shareholders.

Speaker 2

That's great. Helpful. Thanks. Sure.

Operator

We'll go next to Hilary Kokanubu with Deutsche Bank.

Speaker 4

Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. First is, are you including any in your guidance, are you including any buyback assumptions? And then my second question is, last quarter you talked about very strong lease extension rate, especially for wide bodies. I was wondering if could talk about what the extension rates were for this quarter and how the narrow what the differences between the narrow body and the wide body in terms of these extension rates?

Speaker 4

Thank you very much.

Speaker 3

Sure. Thanks, Hillary. So look, I'll take the share repurchase question. So far this year, we've bought back around $170,000,000 worth of stock and we have a little over $100,000,000 left in our existing authorization. And you saw we've announced a new authorization for $500,000,000 So we'd expect to deploy all of that this year.

Speaker 3

Beyond that, we have assumed some additional share repurchases in the projections and those are based on the earnings, the CapEx and sales assumptions that we've laid out here. But if we do better on earnings, then we'll have more excess capital that we can deploy. If CapEx gets delayed, we'll have more excess capital. And likewise, if we can sell more assets or produce gains in those sales, that will also lead to more excess capital. And I guess, of course, that's all before any mention of additional insurance proceeds, which we would hope to recover, but can't count on.

Speaker 3

So it's really a function of all those things, how much we would ultimately do. Bess, do you want to touch

Speaker 2

on that? Sure. Then on extensions, look, as Pete said, the market is extremely strong. There's hardly any aircraft that we have with customers that they don't want to extend. They have to pay the going rate, of course, but I think particularly on wide bodies, nearly everything extends in the last quarter.

Speaker 2

And on the narrows, it's very strong as well.

Speaker 4

Got it. Thank you very much.

Operator

We'll go next to Jamie Baker with JPMorgan.

Speaker 5

Good afternoon. So Pete, a follow-up to the net spread question that we already took during Q and A. You guided to stable trends next year. You talked about the drivers for net spreads coming down sequentially in the Q4. But Mark and I are still curious what impact lease extensions and asset sales might be having on this particular metric.

Speaker 5

And maybe the answer is they're not really contributing, but are those factors that we should also factor in addition to what you articulated in response to the first question?

Speaker 3

Sure. Yes. So Jamie, you're right. Both of those can affect it as well. I mean fundamentally, if we're selling older assets that may have higher yields, we are you lose that revenue, right.

Speaker 3

So that can affect the net spread. But obviously as we laid out, we're redeploying that capital. So we think that makes sense. On the extensions front, so that can have an impact on it because essentially if you're extending more aircraft and you're particularly if you're extending aircraft that are further in advance, further advance than you normally would as we've been doing, then that affects you because you have to straight line those rents over the existing lease and the new lease. And so that can have an impact on net spread all else equal.

Speaker 3

I think those are contributing factors too. But fundamentally, we do expect to see it. I think it will stay flat for the based on what we see for the next year.

Speaker 2

Okay. Yes, but I would really focus Jamie on the fact that the real focus is there. If we manage to net spread, I would not sold any older aircraft. And so what we look at is, what's the metric we want to focus on? Value creation, earnings per share and a right risk profile of our fleet.

Speaker 2

So therefore, I'm selling older aircraft at massive gains. I'm redeploying them into the buybacks at a massive gain. You saw from my example, on the trades we did last year, we turned book equity of 1x into 2.25x. So if I was worried about net spread, I wouldn't have done something like that. So we're here to make money for the shareholders and that's the way we drive it.

Speaker 2

And in the meantime, as we sell those assets, the residual business is actually better than it was before with a lower risk profile.

Speaker 5

That's great, guys. No pushback from us on this. I'm just trying to articulate things for some investors. And then just a quick follow-up on Russia. Can you remind us in aggregate what your average recovery has been as a percentage of the book that you initially wrote off?

Speaker 5

It looks to be around, I don't know, dollars 0.65 dollars 0.70 dollars on the dollar at least for the aircraft that had been settled. Is our math accurate on that?

Speaker 3

Yes, that's about right. 70% is right, Jamie. But remember that we still retain the insurance claims for the full amount on our own policy. So that's so it's not as though that money is necessarily lost.

Speaker 5

Got it. Got it. Okay, Pete, you guys. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Speaker 2

Sure.

Operator

We'll go next to Terry Ma with Barclays.

Speaker 6

Good morning. So I wanted to see if you can provide an update on your cargo conversion program. I think you guys called out some one time costs last year. So I was hoping you can maybe quantify the revenue opportunity and how much of that's actually factored into the 2024 guide?

Speaker 2

Well, as it relates to the cargo program, the development, we have several 777s that are currently in conversion. We expect and in our guidance, we expect that the 777s to start rolling out of the conversion program in the first half of this year and into the second half and from there on. So yes, our guidance does not include any revenue from those 777s in the 1st part of this year.

Speaker 6

Got it. And then on your sales guide of $2,000,000,000 what's the mix of assets we should assume in terms of aircraft, engines and helicopters? And how should we think about the gain on sale contribution from each of those?

Speaker 2

Well, as it goes to the mix of assets, I mean, generally speaking, it will be similar to what we've done in the past with a focus generally on older assets. As it pertains to the gain on sale, we don't give guidance to gain on sale. However, you can look at our historical performance and you can see that we have generated very significant gains there, but there are 0 gains in our forecast.

Speaker 5

Right. Got it. Thank you.

Operator

We'll go next to Catherine O'Brien with Goldman Sachs.

Speaker 7

Hi, good morning gentlemen. Thanks for the time. Not to keep harping on lease yield, but even if the OEMs were to start to hit production targets faster than the market was expecting, haven't we not even really seen the impact to your lease yield from the strong lease rate environment that kicked off with how tight supply and demand was and maybe it was called second half twenty twenty two all the way through next year accelerating. How many years out are we from your delivery slots or how many years out of your delivery slots booked at this point? And when do you start taking delivery of aircraft, the majority being signed 2 half twenty twenty two and later?

Speaker 2

You could think about 2 to 3 years out, Catherine. You're right in that in that aircraft that were signed in 2021 would have delivered in 2023, aircraft that are signed in the even into the first half of twenty twenty one would have been 2023, 2024, you get to 20 22 placements, back half of 2022 will be back half of 2024 Q4, 2024 into 2025, 2026, etcetera. So you're correct in saying that there is the lag in that regard. But again, I'd make the same comment about lease yields that other portfolio basis that I do about this net spread. Of course, as we sell the older assets, we of course reduce our lease yield because they're higher yielding at the last 2 years of the lease than they were at the front 2 years of the lease.

Speaker 2

But why are you picking all up is on the EPS and that's the key thing to look at.

Speaker 7

I totally agree. Makes sense. Kind of wanted to make sure I wasn't thinking about that inflection incorrectly just in terms of what we're going to actually start to see.

Speaker 2

I think if you can keep the lease yield flat, improve the quality of your portfolio and drive up EPS, you're achieving a far better risk adjusted return on a higher quality business. And that's what AerCap has been doing for 10 years.

Speaker 7

Right. Totally makes sense. And then can you just speak to how lease rates trended since you last spoke? Realize it's only been a couple of months, but just given the incremental issues with the MAX and the GTF, is it fair to say supply has gotten even tighter and you've already seen that translate to lease rates? If yes, is that mostly on narrow bodies or are we seeing it slower to wide bodies as well?

Speaker 7

Thanks.

Speaker 2

I wouldn't say in 90 days, there's been a dramatic move to be fair, Catherine, but there has been a move upwards. There's no doubt about it. For sure, there has. And what's very important, of course, is we've seen a bit of a fall in interest rates in that 90 day period, but we have not seen a fall in lease rates. And that's what you're really interested again is to say, okay, what happened with the headline lease rate is interesting, but what happened with underneath with the interest rate.

Speaker 2

So what we really like to see is falling rates and steady lease rates or even slightly increasing lease rates. And I'd say over the last 90 days, lease rates probably similar, but interest rates fell. So we didn't have to pass on the fall in interest rates.

Speaker 7

That's great. Maybe I'd squeeze in one really quick third one for Pete on the guidance. In your Q3 6 ks, you had, I think, dollars 6,400,000,000 in purchase obligations. You're guiding to $7,200,000,000 CapEx for this year. Were you able to lock in incremental aircraft?

Speaker 7

Or is that just a function of I understand there's so many moving pieces in the skyline? Just trying to figure out what drove that delta. Thanks so much for the time.

Speaker 3

Yes. Some of that is engines, Catherine, engine purchases in 2024. I mean there are a bunch of things that move around here. And I think as we look out at the 7.2 percent, we do have some significant questions about that. So that's our estimate today, but it could clearly move around a lot given the OEM issues.

Speaker 2

Yes. If I was a betting man, Catherine, I'd imagine that some of our CapEx is inevitably going to move to the right.

Speaker 7

Great. Thanks for all the time.

Speaker 3

Sure.

Operator

We'll go next to Chris Sosinopoulos with Susquehanna International Group.

Speaker 8

Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Angus, thank you for the walk through on how you're thinking about the supply demand dynamic, the points, I think 3 points you outlined. But on points 23, so you spoke to the stressed MRO network backlog of shop visits. As we think about those two points and we think about resolution here and which of those might persist longer, we'd like to hear your view on how you see that moving into perhaps mid or end of the decade.

Speaker 8

Is it sort of MRO perhaps resolving faster? Or is this are these both pressure points that for any number of reasons and if you have those, love to hear them that we should expect to extend closer or into end of decade? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Sure. On the you're right on MRO. On airframe MRO, I would expect that issue to get resolved sooner. It's easier to conduct airframe MRO than it is to do engine MRO. To do engine MRO, you need to have a test cell, a very big workforce of highly trained engineers.

Speaker 2

It's a little bit different. So I think the airframe MRO will get solved first. The engine MRO though, here's the big issue. There's a finite supply of parts to build and repair engines. Those parts, when a part is made or manufactured, it can go, number 1, to production aircraft engines, I.

Speaker 2

E, an engine that's going to go underwing of an Airbus or Boeing aircraft. Number 2, instead of that, the part could go to spare engines. Now, if the fleet was staying on wing longer than it currently is, you would need as many parts to go to spare engines, which you do. And then 3rd, engines have to go into the shop to get repaired. So the shops, the MRO shops also need that part.

Speaker 2

So there are 3 sources of demand for every engine part being produced today. And the manufacturers of those parts way back up the supply chain to do the castings are not going to increase that significantly anytime this decade as far as I understand. So I think we will see the engine issues persist through the decade. And bear in mind that AerCap is the largest marginal supplier of spare engines to the world, which gives us of course an enviable position when it comes to engine leasing. But as it pertains to aircraft leasing, it gives us a unique advantage over all of our competitors because they cannot offer the vital products that we can in conjunction with our aircraft.

Speaker 8

Okay. Thank you. And as a follow-up, so as we think about the secondary market here for 2024, I think you sent to in response to an earlier question, there's been a slight fall in interest rates. It sounds like lease rates are steady to up. But we have had news here around the MAX and kind of growing concerns around quality control issues with certain aircraft and types as well as some carriers recently signaling a potential change in the composition of their order book.

Speaker 8

So given all that, could you put perhaps a finer point or detail of what you're seeing in the secondary market? Any sort of color you have around aircraft types or residual values that have perhaps meaningfully shift or not since you last updated a few months back? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Sure. Well, it's worth again just splitting the family up. So we all know that Airbus is outselling Boeing and has been for some time. But it's not enough just to say the 320 family outsells the Boeing family. Airbus wins in one particular aircraft.

Speaker 2

It's the A321 product. It does not win as much on the A320 product. The 320 product is the 180 seater, the 321 product is a 220, 230, 240 seater even in some instances. So the MAX-eight is the 180 competitor from Boeing. That airplane is an excellent aircraft.

Speaker 2

And many operators will say it's as good if not better than the competing Airbus A320 aircraft. Where Boeing fall down though is that the MAX 10 is not yet being certified. It's not as capable in airplane even when it is unlikely to be as capable as the A321 currently is. So from our perspective, we are very bullish on the MAX-8s. In fact, we bought a few of them around Christmas that just popped up.

Speaker 2

And we think that is an excellent aircraft. But because of the 321 superiority over the larger Boeing product and the fact that it's so early to the market versus the Boeing product, we are going to see a significant majority of the market heading towards the Airbus product line for the long term. Okay. Thank you.

Operator

We'll go next to Ron Epstein Epstein with Bank of America.

Speaker 9

Hey, good morning guys. Maybe following up on that last comment, Chris. When you look at Airbus' narrow body backlog of the approximately 11,000 airplanes, 70% of that MiR A321s. I mean, it's an overwhelming majority of their backlog and it I mean, for lack of better words, really kind of crushes Boeing's offering. I mean,

Speaker 2

isn't it

Speaker 9

your sense that Boeing kind of has to do something or they're really going to just lose out on that larger segment? And it does seem like carriers are and tell me if I'm reading this wrong, are trying to migrate the narrow body product to larger shelves?

Speaker 2

Yes. By and large, there's been up gauging, Ron, for sure in the market. And that's where when the 730seven-eight 100 and the 320 were the heart of the market, the 160, 180 seater, Boeing had a majority of the market. That's clearly changed now as you rightly point out, the 321 is a dominant airplane. But the MAX 8 still has very significant user base and is in good demand actually.

Speaker 2

But just the target market for the MAX 8 is not as big as you rightly point out there, Ron, as it's 321 because many customers are up gauging. But we still see a very strong demand for MAX 8 and there's very limited supply of them.

Speaker 9

Got it. Got it. And then what's your sense on the 220? Is there much demand there, particularly the 300? And if they were to do a 500, which I guess there's speculation they may or may not, would there be demand for that?

Speaker 2

Listen, I think the manufacturer should focus on making what they have. I honestly think any of the OEMs to contemplate a new platform with new engines, given the troubles they have had with the 380s, the Rolls Royce engines, the 787 grounding 19 months after entry into service, the MAX issues, the delays that were year after year for Airbus' 320 program, I think they should focus on their customers now and delivering the promises they have made and delivering them on spec on time.

Speaker 9

And then maybe one last follow-up to that. How are you planning your own kind of delivery horizon with your customers on the MAX 8 given or the MAX in general, given all the uncertainty with the FAA inspections and everything that's going on?

Speaker 2

We just work with them, Ron, and we work closely with Boeing. The customers want the aircraft as soon as they can deliver them. And we try and get them with Boeing the most accurate delivery dates we can. At the moment, that's not possible. But hopefully, we'll have clarity as to what the delivery profile will be for 2024 and 2025 by the time we talk again.

Speaker 9

Got it. All right. Thank you.

Operator

We'll go next to Stephen Trent with Citi.

Speaker 2

Good morning, everybody. Can you hear me okay? Yes.

Speaker 10

Yes. Great. Thank you. Because I'm having some terrible phone problems. So I apologize if I drop and I missed part of the call because of these issues.

Speaker 10

But just if I could understand sort of your long term view on the credit rating? Do you sort of have an idea in mind in terms of where you guys would like to be rated by Moody's and S and P over the long term?

Speaker 3

Sure. Thanks, Stephen. I don't know if you got cut off there. But in any case, yes, look, we're on we're typically flat across the board now. We're on positive outlook with S and P and Moody's and we hope to get those upgrades from them.

Speaker 3

And really that's a function of how the business has performed. It's both the resilience that we showed through COVID, through Russia, through all of those things, the improved credit profile of the business coming out of the GACAS acquisition, but also the fact that if you look at any operating metric, whether it's operating cash flow, net spread, whether it's FFO to debt, any of those things that are meaningful for the rating agencies, we're outperforming the competition by a big stretch, right? And so when you look at other companies that may be rated the same and they look at us and say, okay, there's a big difference there, we think that that warrants an upgrade and really that's what we're pushing for. So I think if we can get to BBB plus across the board, that would be great. And look, can we get into the single As?

Speaker 3

I mean, that's a different category, I think. But certainly, I think there is a good reason to think that we could get to BBB plus

Operator

And at this time, there are no further questions.

Speaker 2

Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining us for the call. I'd like to let you all know that we will host a Capital Markets Day in New York on May 8, and we look forward to seeing you all there. Thank you very much for your time.

Operator

This does conclude today's conference. We thank you for your participation.

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