Harley-Davidson Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 8, 2024

There are 13 speakers on the call.

Operator

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Harley Davidson 2023 4th Quarter Investor and Analyst Conference Call. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Sean Collins, Mr. Collins, please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Good morning.

Speaker 2

This is Sean Collins, the Director of Investor Relations at Harley Davidson. Today, you can access the slides supporting the call on the Internet at the Harley Davidson Investor Relations website. As you might expect, our comments will include forward looking statements that are subject to risks that could cause actual results to be materially different. Those risks include, among others, matters we have noted in today's earnings release and in our latest filings with the SEC. With that, joining me this morning for the first part of

Speaker 1

the call are Harley Davidson Chief Executive Officer, Jochen Zeitz Also, Chief Financial Officer, Jonathan Root and LiveWire Chief Executive Officer, Kareem Denez. In addition, for the Q and A portion of today's call, Harley Davidson Chief Commercial Officer, Adele O'Sullivan will be joining us. With that, let me turn it over to our CEO, Jochen Zeitz. Jochen?

Speaker 3

Thank you, Sean. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining today's call. In 2023, the 3rd year of our hardwired strategy, we made progress in some key elements of our strategic plan. Despite premium discretionary products being significantly impacted by the continued high interest rate environment and consumer confidence and affordability concerns, we continue to emphasize our core products and markets and invested in key priorities for the future.

Speaker 3

We expect that focusing on our most profitable categories and geographies, emphasizing innovation and evolving the customer experience with our dealers We continue to yield benefits to the business and have set us up for long term value creation. As seen by our meaningful per unit profitability increase of $2,400 per unit or 185% since 2019. Looking at retail performance for Q4, retail came in better than expected, but down 11% versus prior year. It is of note that we retailed more than we wholesale globally, even accounting for early release of 20 24 units. This early shipping of 24 units for logistics purposes cleared the way for an aggressive shipment schedule of our new touring offering in Q1, which is needed to start the season force with the new models.

Speaker 3

Through Q4, we continued to outperform the market with share gain in our core categories, With touring reaching over 75% market share in the U. S. And with large cruiser coming in at over 80%. Despite perceptions to the contrary, we continue to have a commanding leadership position in these core profit focused segments, well ahead of all our competitors taken together and demonstrated by our strong gross margin performance. Revenue was down slightly for the year as we navigated macro conditions impacting retails and work to manage dealer inventory and production challenges.

Speaker 3

Despite this, our combined benefits of pricing and mix inclusive of incentive spend yielded 7 points of top line growth, leading to a 1% revenue decline driven by currency headwinds. We continued to maintain our focus on profitability with operating income margin of 13.6% in 2023 versus our starting profitability of 6.3% in 2019 on 34,000 less motorcycle unit sales and 6% revenue growth over the period. We believe this is the clearest proof point of our strategic orientation and execution in the current environment. This is a function of our multiyear pricing and mix decision across products and geographies with core products reaching 84% of our mix, up from 78% in 2019 and a significant increase in average profitability per unit as mentioned earlier, but more on that from Jonathan later. I will briefly address a selection of our hardware strategic pillars and our delivery of them last year, starting with Pillar 1, profit focus.

Speaker 3

We continue to prioritize mix with growth globally in our core units of trike, CVO, Touring and Softail outpacing overall retail performance. Last year, we also launched our new generation of road and streetlight CVOs. With this transformational product, we are delivering on our hardwire promise of innovation as part of our focus core categories, setting the stage for this year's Grand American Touring launch. And launching our icons and enthusiasts Aligned to our profit focus, we've been building on our commitment to introduce motorcycles that align with our strategy to increase desirability Hi, the legacy of Harley Davidson. And we also continued our efforts to increase awareness of the King of the Beggars Racing Series with Moto America, Now tapping into the Performance Touring, our new product offering.

Speaker 3

Pillar 2, selective expansion. We continue to make progress on our global partnership and our venture with Hero Motor Corp, first as a solid example of innovative participation models in geographies that met as part of our selective expansion strategy. We've been very pleased with the exceptional reception to the venture with over 30,000 reservations to date. We will continue to look at select markets for small displacement offerings. Pillar 3, Lead in Electric.

Speaker 3

LiveWire continued to pioneer the EV segment through the S2 platform with Delmar, as Karim will detail later. More than 1 year in, our decision to focus LiveWire as a separate company in EV and focus Harley Davidson on our traditional combustion segment is proving successful with clear focus on segmentation and execution for both brands while utilizing joint synergies. Pillar 5, customer experience. With our dedication to enhancing the customer experience in line with our mission, In addition to our fuel program, we continue to invest in transforming our omni channel capabilities in the pre- and post purchase journey for the customers. Additionally, we continued the evolution of our marketing approach specifically to drive dealership traffic and engagement and to improve alignment on key messages with our dealer as exemplified by our open houses, dealer sweepstakes and in store rewards.

Speaker 3

We've made good progress on the execution of our distribution modernization were the first milestones around product visibility and recommended orders coming online this year. With our online platform HD1 Marketplace, place. We are now the leading marketplace for used Harley Davidson in America. And lastly, we are pleased with the progress of our rejuvenated membership offering With over 700,000 members on the new platform to date, growing membership that had been declining for years by over 300,000 new members in just 7 months. We also successfully stood up Homecoming as another core annual event to bring the brand closer to new and existing customers alike like no other brand can do in the motorcycle market.

Speaker 3

Turning to 24, I would like to comment on our new model year launch and outlook for the year. The Grand American Touring category was born out of the unique experience of the American highway and was invented by Harley Davidson. Few products are as iconic and as connected to one specific brand. Put simply, touring is the heart of Harley Davidson, our mission of timeless pursuit of adventure. Back in 2020, there was no plan for touring.

Speaker 3

We quickly took the decision to change that and it became the first one of the most important priorities of our new hardwire plant. As you saw from our launch in January, we are now Excited to share what we believe is the most comprehensive product development in the Touring platform in well over 10 years. The Street Glide and Rolled Glide models form the core of the Harley Davidson Grand American Touring Motorcycle portfolio for 'twenty four and represent the future of the segment. Both models featuring the new Milwaukee 8117 are more powerful, comfortable and lighter and packed with advanced technology, including a new infotainment system, all wrapped up in a dramatic new visual design that will redefine the Harley Davidson Grand American Touring experience for years to come. This latest lineup is not only the most advanced we've ever produced, but also has the most customization potential that we've ever offered in Turing.

Speaker 3

Additionally, for 2024 to celebrate the 25th anniversary of our custom vehicle operations or CVO, We added the CVO RoadGlide ST and CVO Pan America to the lineup, complementing our new road and streetlight CVOs first introduced during Homecoming last year. Starting with the CVO Road Glide SD, the lightest, fastest and most sophisticated performance bagger ever produced by Harley Davidson is taking Hot Rod Bagga performance to the next level, while tapping into the performance trend that we fueled with the King of the Baggers racing series. The CVO Road Light ST represents a unique collection of components providing high value of 2 performance minded riders. Combined with West Coast custom style as seen in our Low Rider ST offering. We also expanded the CEO family beyond Touring for the first time to include the Pan America CVO highlighting another Touring segment that we continue to innovate in, adventure Touring.

Speaker 3

We've prepared and are investing in the 24 model launch and have ensured that we're getting motorcycles out into the network at the right time for the riding season. And although it's still early having launched only 2 weeks ago, we've already seen a very positive initial reaction from the network, media, influencers and consumers alike with strong collaboration on awareness and traffic driving activities. And as we look to the years ahead, we're excited about the potential of this lineup for the brand. We're fully focused on growing retails on the basis of these fantastic bikes even in the current environment. That said, it is still early in the year and it is hard to predict the extent of the positive impact that our new touring models can have in the current high interest in overall industry macro environment.

Speaker 3

As such, while we are very excited by the early read of our new model year launch, we are providing broader guidance than usual to our outlook given the continuing industry headwinds that affect our business. Furthermore, inventory management will continue to be a core part of our strategy to ensure that we have the right balance for both the network and customer. And as we look to the year ahead, we will manage inventory cautiously, recognizing that we believe we are close to the right levels in the network. Our goal will be to ensure that we manage wholesales based on retail potential so as to keep wholesales and retails in balance through a combination of retail levels and manufacturing adjustments even as required. To conclude, Despite the challenges in the market, we believe that we have created the right product and solid foundations on which to deliver our future ambitions for the company.

Speaker 3

Thank you. And now I'll hand it over to Karim to talk LiveWire. Karim, over to you.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Jorgen. Good morning, everyone. We are happy to report that after a strong 4th quarter, LiveWire delivered a 21% increase in LiveWire branded annual unit sales versus 2022. We finished the year with both units and operating loss in line with our revised guidance. Considering the ramp up required for all new in house Developed products, we are pleased with the stabilizing supply base as well as the production of the F2 powertrain at Harley Davidson's operations in Wisconsin and the assembly of the Delmar in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 4

With a positive reception of the newly developed platform from the ground up from both Early customers and the media, 2024 promises to be an exciting year for LiveWire. Our development team at both Stacyq and LiveWire continue to work to expand our portfolio and bring more options to more riders. We believe these new products, along with our entry into new segments, Position LiveWire to increase our unit sales without increasing spend over 2023. To accelerate the path to profitability, we plan to drive down the cost of our products and continue to carefully manage cash, which is reflected in our guidance. Thank you.

Speaker 4

And now I'll hand it over to Jonathan.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Karim, and good morning, everyone. I plan to start on Page 5 of the presentation, where I will briefly summarize the financial results for Q4 of 2023 and subsequently, I will go into further detail on each. At HDMC, in Q4, global wholesale motorcycle shipments decreased by 13% as we remain mindful of dealer inventory and market conditions. In Q4, HDMC revenue was down 14% due to lower volumes where improved mix was offset by pricing and incentive spend. In Q4 and in 2023, as Jochen said, we continued to prioritize our focus on core motorcycle mix of touring and cruiser motorcycles.

Speaker 1

We will cover further details of revenue when we turn to Page 8. Turning to our consolidated results in the 4th quarter, Total consolidated HDI revenue of $1,100,000,000 was down 8% compared to this quarter last year. The breakdown was at HDMC, as I mentioned, revenue declined by 14%. At HDFS, revenue grew by 15%. And at LiveWire, revenue grew from $9,000,000 in the Q4 of 2022 to $15,000,000 in the Q4 of 2023.

Speaker 1

Total consolidated HDI operating income was a loss of $21,000,000 which compares to operating income of $4,000,000 in the Q4 prior year period. The breakdown for 2023 was: at HDMC, operating income was a loss of $44,000,000 which is markedly lower than the profitable 1st 3 quarters of the year, where Q4 is a quarter with significantly fewer wholesale units compared to the remaining quarters in the year. Results were adversely impacted by lower wholesale volumes and higher incentive spend in the quarter. At HDFS, operating income of $58,000,000 declined by 10% on a year over year basis. And at LiveWire, an operating loss of $35,000,000 was in line with expectations.

Speaker 1

4th quarter earnings per share was $0.18 Turning to full year 2023 results. Total consolidated revenue of just over $5,800,000,000 was 1% higher compared to last year, while total operating income of $779,000,000 was 14% lower than last year. Full year earnings per share was $4.87 in 2023 and compares to $4.96 in 2022. We will talk further about each business segment specific profit and loss drivers in greater detail in the next section. In Q4, global retail sales of new motorcycles, as mentioned earlier, were down 11% versus the prior year.

Speaker 1

In North America, Q4 retail sales declined by 9%, driven by the continued impact of a high interest rate environment on In addition, the discontinuation of legacy Sportster bikes at the end of 2022 continued to have an adverse impact on non core unit sales. In EMEA, Q4 retail sales declined by 22%, driven by weakness in France and Germany. Overall, EMEA continues to be adversely impacted by overall macro conditions and sluggish economic growth. In Asia Pacific, Q4 retail sales declined by 10%, driven by weakness in Australia and New Zealand, partially offset by strength in Japan and Thailand. This is a market improvement from what we covered last quarter.

Speaker 1

In Latin America, Q4 retail sales increased by 46%, driven by growth in both Brazil and Mexico. As the manufacturing environment continues to get back to a more normalized operation, Product availability is much improved compared to the exceptionally tight levels of 2021 2022. As touched on earlier, dealer inventory at the end of Q4 was up approximately 50% from the end of Q4 in 2022. We believe current dealer inventory is in an appropriate position overall as we approach the spring 2024 riding season with the recent launch of new model year 24 motorcycles, especially our new Street Glide and Road Glide Touring models. Looking at revenue, total HDMC revenue decreased 14% in Q4 and decreased by 1% for the full year.

Speaker 1

In Q4, HDMC revenue declined largely due to lower wholesale units shipped. Looking closer at the key drivers for Q4, 14 points of decline came from decreased volume at HDFC as we reacted to the current market conditions, supported prudent dealer inventory levels and prepared for the 2024 model year launch with StreetGlide, RogueGlide, new CDL models and more. 7 points of decline came from pricing and incentive spend, where given existing market conditions, we selectively promoted high margin products to support our customers in the higher rate environment that they are facing. In addition, we made the decision to implement incentives, which resulted in a reduction to revenue of approximately $40,000,000 in Q4, which will support model year 2023 carryover motorcycles into calendar year 2024 as enhanced dealer support. We expect this will help drive retail performance in 2024.

Speaker 1

Mix contributed 7 points of growth as we continue to prioritize our most profitable models and markets. And finally, foreign exchange contributed 1 point in Q4. For the full year of 2023, HDMC revenue declined by 1%, where the key drivers for the full year included: 7 points of decline, which came from decreased volume at HEMC, driven by an overall decrease in wholesale motorcycle unit shipments Three points of increase, which came from pricing net of incentives through both global motorcycle MSRP increases and price increases across the parts and accessories and apparel businesses and the aforementioned actions to help support retail in the 2020 for calendar year for the remaining 2023 model year dealer inventory mix, which contributed 4 points of growth as we continue to prioritize our most profitable models and markets. And finally, foreign exchange, which resulted in one point of negative impact as the dollar strengthened for the full year. In Q4, typically our lowest gross margin quarter of the year, gross margin of 22.9% was down 360 basis points behind the impacts of lower volumes, pricing and incentive spend, which I covered in my earlier comments and manufacturing costs more than offsetting the benefit of shipment mix and lower raw material costs.

Speaker 1

Operating income margin fell by 2 10 basis points due to the factors above, in addition to operating expense favorability of 18% in the quarter. We continue to experience more moderate cost inflation relative to what we experienced in 2022. In Q4, cost inflation came in at a rate between 1% 2%. For the full year 2023, HDMC gross margin came in at 32.3%, which was 110 basis points better than a year ago despite lower volumes. Mix and pricing were positive for the year and were partially offset by lower volumes, supply chain and manufacturing costs and foreign currency.

Speaker 1

For the full year 2023, HDMC operating margin came in at 13.6% and compared to 13.9% in full year 2022, which is approximately 20 basis points lower after accounting for rounding. The small decrease in operating margin was due to the factors just mentioned and largely due to higher operating expenses from earlier in the year. At Harley Davidson Financial Services, in Q4, revenue increased by 15%, driven by higher commercial finance receivables and higher interest income. HDFS operating income was $58,000,000 down 10% compared to last year and an improvement to trends seen earlier in the year. The Q4 decline was driven by higher borrowing costs, a higher provision for credit losses and higher operating expenses.

Speaker 1

These increased costs were partially offset by higher interest income. Total interest expense was up $22,000,000 or 32 percent versus the prior year. The increase was driven by a higher cost of funds as lower interest rate debt matured and was replaced with current market rate debt. The provision for credit loss expense increased $6,000,000 in the 4th quarter as a result of higher realized credit losses, partially offset by a favorable reserve change in absolute dollars. For the full year 2023, HDFS' annualized retail credit loss ratio came in at 3%, which compares to 2.7% through Q3 'twenty three.

Speaker 1

These levels compare to an annualized loss of 1.9 percent in full year 2022. The increase in credit was driven by several factors relating to the current macroeconomic environment and the related customer and industry dynamics. In addition, the allowance rate for credit losses for Q4 remains flat at 5.4% from Q3, but up from 5.1% during fiscal 2022, as we prudently calculate our loan loss reserves in accordance with CECL methodology. Total retail loan originations in Q4 were down slightly by 1%, while commercial lending receivables were up 42% to $1,060,000,000 behind stronger product availability compared to the prior year. Total quarter end net financing receivables, including both retail loans and commercial lending receivables, were $7,500,000,000 which was up 5% versus prior year.

Speaker 1

For the full year 2023, operating income at HDFS in at $235,000,000 or down 26% relative to full year 2022, which compares to our financial guidance down 20% to 25% for the year. Through the end of Q4, we raised approximately $2,500,000,000 In the capital markets for all of 2023, cash and committed bank and conduit facilities resulted in an HDFS liquidity position of $2,200,000,000 as of year end. This approach has put HDFS in a very strong position from both a funding and liquidity perspective. For the LiveWire segment, 4th quarter revenue increased from $9,000,000 in the Q4 of 'twenty two to $15,000,000 in the Q4 of 2023, due in part to higher unit sales of Del Mar Electric Motorcycles. As Karim mentioned, in Q3, LiveWire began shipping Del Mar, the first motorcycle on their S2 platform, and they are pleased with the successful rollout in Q4 with 482 units shipped.

Speaker 1

LiveWire operating loss of $35,000,000 in Q4 was in line with expectations and driven by planned development costs to advance EV systems and activities around Del Mar. For full year 2023, the operating loss of $117,000,000 was in line with guidance given the early stage nature of the business and the electric motorcycle market as a whole. Wrapping up with consolidated Harley Davidson, Inc. Full year financial results, we delivered $755,000,000 of operating cash flow, which was up $207,000,000 from the prior year. The increase in operating cash flow was due to positive working capital activity at HDMC, driven by a decrease in inventory in 2023 as compared to an increase in inventory in 2022.

Speaker 1

Total cash and cash equivalents ended at $1,500,000,000 which was $100,000,000 higher than at the end of 2022. This consolidated cash number includes $168,000,000 from LiveWire. During the full year 2023, as part of our capital allocation strategy, we bought back 10,200,000 shares of our stock at a value of $350,000,000 This was greater than the $324,000,000 we repurchased in 2022 And these years combined amount to nearly $675,000,000 worth of share buybacks in the last 2 years. This represents 12% of our shares outstanding. We have also paid out $189,000,000 in dividends over the last 2 years.

Speaker 1

These combined actions both demonstrate the strong cash flow generated by Harley Davidson, Inc. As well as the commitment we have to returning capital to shareholders. As we look to our financial outlook for 2024, as Jochen discussed, we are excited about our new 2024 motorcycle lineup. But we recognize that the overall macro environment, including high interest rates, add complexity to our customers' decisions to purchase discretionary products. At HDMC, we expect retail units to be flat to up 9%, which results in 163,000 to 178,000 retail units.

Speaker 1

Currently, we believe dealers are appropriately positioned from an inventory standpoint. Thus, we expect that retail units sold and wholesale unit shipments will move together on a balanced basis in 2024. This range would result in wholesale unit shipments to be down between 1% 10% versus 2023, which equates to 163,000 to 178,000 wholesale units. This results in HDMC revenue coming in flat to down 9%. We expect HDMC operating income of 12.6% to 13.6% in 2024.

Speaker 1

This is flat to down 100 basis points from the 2023 level. The drivers of margin include negative operating leverage due to lower wholesale volumes, foreign currency, which is expected to be a headwind, mix, which is expected to be slightly favorable pricing, which will be slightly down as we eliminated the surcharge and fine tune our pricing strategy. Lastly, we expect some additional manufacturing costs as we realign factory processes in the initial year of production of the new Street Glide and Road Glide motorcycles. At HDFS, we expect HDFS profiting income to be flat to up 5%. We expect the business to stabilize as it comps the higher interest rate environment that began in 2022, with our borrowing costs moderating based upon as the retail portfolio resets, thus driving greater revenue.

Speaker 1

And we expect consumers to settle into the existing macro backdrop And therefore, we expect the loss rate will begin to moderate in the second half of twenty twenty four as compared to the second half of twenty twenty three. At LiveWire, LiveWire is forecasting unit sales between 1,000 1500 units and an operating loss in the range of $115,000,000 to $125,000,000 This is consistent with the 2023 guidance range, while delivering between 50% and 125% more motorcycles. And lastly, for total HDI, we expect capital investments in the range of $225,000,000 to $250,000,000 This is the same forecast as in 2023, where we plan to continue to invest behind product development and capability enhancements. Our investment focus remains driven by core product innovation, investments in manufacturing to automate and reduce costs as part of our productivity journey as well as planned investment for LiveWire. One of our initiatives identified as part of the Hardwire strategy is driving productivity to eliminate the $400,000,000 of incremental supply chain costs incurred in 2020.

Speaker 1

In 2022, we delivered approximately $50,000,000 toward that gold. In 2023, we delivered approximately $70,000,000 additional towards that goal, where we focused on reducing expedited costs among other actions. 2024 is expected to deliver approximately $100,000,000 incremental cost productivity towards this goal, with a focus on production efficiency, logistics network optimization and supplier cost optimization through consolidation and regionalization. As we look at capital allocation in 2024, our priorities remain to fund the profitable growth of the hardwire initiatives, which includes the capital expenditures mentioned previously, paying dividends and continuing to execute discretionary share repurchases. As covered previously, in 20222023, we returned nearly $865,000,000 in capital to our shareholders.

Speaker 1

In 2024, at this point in time, we are planning to buy back a similar dollar amount of our common shares as we did in 2023. And with that, we'll open it up to Q and A.

Operator

Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Craig Kennison with Baird. Your line is live.

Speaker 5

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. And Jonathan, thanks for the additional commentary. That was very helpful. My question goes to dealer sentiment.

Speaker 5

It's a tough time to be a dealer. It's got skinny margin and high floor plan interest rates. You all have had success with Project Fuel in some cases, but that capital investment is a very big ask for dealers that are struggling with cash flow. So I'm just wondering with the leadership change, like how might you reimagine your relationship with the dealer and are there opportunities partner with them in different ways?

Speaker 3

Thank you, Craig. Well, as you said, we have to recognize that last year has been A tough year for dealers. The overall interest rate rise that affected the demand has certainly led to a much lower Profitability. If you look at 2021, 2022, we had record profitability in our network, which is was great and at least it helps many of our dealers to buffer the decline that we had seen. But we obviously take that into consideration with all actions and decisions we take in terms of new product launch, in terms of pricing, in terms of fuel and all the projects that we are putting into the network.

Speaker 3

That said, I would say the dealer sentiment overall has improved significantly and that is Very much a result of a new product launch, model year launch that excites the network and the dealers. And As I had mentioned, that has already led to quite positive feedback from the media, from influencers, from customers that have come in early to buy the product. So we are trying to find the right balance here of making sure that facilities are being upgraded, recognizing that many facilities not been upgraded for 20, sometimes even 30 years. And there's never a perfect time to do this, but we certainly take financial difficulties into consideration as much as we can comes to the Fuze facility or upgrade. Overall, we've completed 20 facilities so far.

Speaker 3

We expect about 75 be completed by the end of 2025. We have over 100 dealerships in process across all levels of completion from agreement to full build in North America alone. So overall, you could say good success. And please recognize that this program will be in place for over 10 years. So we don't expect all of this to happen.

Speaker 3

So some dealers are ready and want to go, and they come Certainly, 1st in line, some might have a tougher time to do that, and we would take that into consideration. And it's a 10 year program. So we expect dealer profitability be improving. And overall, the sentiment has improved. I think the model year launch certainly has helped.

Speaker 3

And now we are all preparing and ready for the riding season.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

Thanks for your question. Our next question comes from the line of Alex Perry with Bank of America. Your line is live.

Speaker 6

Hi. Thanks for taking my question here. I just wanted to ask How we should be thinking about mix in 2024? Do you expect to be heavier on Touring and Trike shipments this year and lower on And how long do you expect the promo and sales and some of those headwinds that you saw in 4Q impacting the motorcycle gross margins? Thank you.

Speaker 3

Well, we've adjusted our pricing according to our new model year launch, in particular in touring. It is important To make sure that the carryover products that our dealers have in inventory are priced competitively to our new products, which is why We've taken the action that Jonathan laid out in his presentation. We feel good about what we have taken In terms of action so far, and we just have to recognize that the consumer environment in our industry with discretionary premium product has been challenged due to the high interest rates, and we've taken action accordingly. So we feel the right pricing at this point in time, but obviously, we will be flexible to adjust whatever is required in the current environment. In terms of mix, our priorities, as you know and we have emphasized as part of the hardwire Stage 2 strategy was to shift More towards the high value products from cruiser to trike to touring and the new product Or the new model year launch, I think, is a clear indication of that.

Speaker 3

Sports, we still had Season amount of sports in the network in 2023. We didn't ship any sports as until the end also After 2022, so those should anniversary themselves out of the network pretty quickly. But we feel that with the pricing that we have in our entry price point products such as the Nightstar and moving all the way up to our new touring models, we are competitively priced and have an exciting product offering in the market right now. But as I said, it's still early in the season. We'll have to see How things go, we want to make sure that the network can move through the 23s as quickly as possible because we want to reduce the inventory in the dealer network, which is why we've emphasized that and we've taken according actions and we'll continue to do so if necessary.

Speaker 6

Thank you. That's very helpful. Best of luck going forward. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Fred Wightman with Wolfe Research. Your line is live.

Speaker 7

Hey, guys. I just wanted to follow-up on the dealer inventory Commentary, I understand that you feel like you're in pretty good shape at this point in the year. But can you just talk about the mix of sort of current versus noncurrent products and how you see that unwinding in the face of the more meaningful touring refresh for this model year?

Speaker 8

Good morning. Thank you for your question. Yes, as you say, we have, we believe, largely the appropriate level of inventory in our network That is even accounting for some of the early release driven by the logistics considerations in Q1 as we ramped up The major product launch of our StreetGlide and VogueGlide and Touring platform in general, and that is also accounting for some delays in the arrival of the product in 2023, which we have referenced in our previous conversations. Exactly as you note, we believe that that inventory is important in Q1 to support Retail, obviously, as we ramp up, there is a period of time until we reach complete dealer fill. So the inventory of 23, which is the majority at this time of the inventory in the network is appropriately used to support retails as we ramp up 24s.

Speaker 8

And then exactly as you also note, For us, as we move through the early part of the season and more of those 24s come online, the priority for us and where we have directed our financial support, As Jonathan has mentioned, is in working down those levels of 23 to create more and more room for 24. We think that 23 will serve as an interesting and entry price point also for customers that prefer some of the features of the older technology. So they have a role to play going forward. And of course, in general, we are watching the levels of inventory. We think As we move through 2024, we want to keep it roughly in a one to one balance, also accounting for floor plan costs in our dealerships.

Speaker 8

As an overall ensuring we keep a balance and that we work through those 2023 as more of the 2024s in such an important category for us as Grand American Touring come online.

Speaker 3

Perfect. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Joe Altobello with Raymond James. Your line is live.

Speaker 1

Thanks. Hey, guys. Good morning. So you did mention several HDMC margin puts and takes in 2024. I assume the negative operating leverage you're expecting is the biggest driver of that.

Speaker 1

So if you could quantify how much of a drag that is on margins this year? And how much is the greater dealer support that you're expecting this year as well, which I guess is included in pricing? Sure. Thanks, Joe. So I think as we take a look at what we saw for 2023, as we've talked about, we put programs in place that certainly were a bit of a drag on what we saw from an overall margin perspective.

Speaker 1

So obviously, we called that out through the and the details of that. So we have about $40,000,000 that hit 2023 that really benefits us as we work through kind of clearing the retail in 2024. And so obviously, as we look forward with some of the that we have in the marketplace to drive retail in 2024, we made sure that we kind of matched up The revenue associated with delivering those bikes in the marketplace to moving them in 2024. The other piece that I think is worth noting too is that as you take a look, I think Adele touched on this a little bit, but As you take a look at where we are from a retail perspective, I think Adele covered that nicely too in terms of the model year mix and what's in dealer inventory today. So obviously, more 23s are in the network today and then we're shipping 24s in as we go.

Speaker 1

That's very helpful, Jonathan. And let me just follow-up on that. In terms of promotions And discounts, how much elasticity did you see in retail once you started to increase the amount of spending?

Speaker 3

Well, we if you look at the Q4 in particular, we saw a nice positive retail increase in the month of December, while and sequential improvement from October, November through December. And that is, I would say partly correlated to the amount of promotions we had in the market. So we see a reaction in the market when we are putting these promotions in. And the key will be to have the right mix between carryover and new products, which we try to accomplish and achieve as quickly as possible in already towards the end of January with the new model year launch. So that there's a good mix because not everyone is going to buy new.

Speaker 3

Some will buy use or carryover products. So I think the dealer network is certainly well stocked to fulfill any requests from our customers. And we hope to move, as we said, through those 23 model year carryovers quickly as possible. And we have an aggressive shipping schedule for our 24s. So very early in the year at this point in time, which is, As I mentioned earlier, why our guidance is much broader than it usually would be.

Speaker 3

And the year started relatively modest for the industry as a whole, not just for us. But since we've shipped our new 24s, we've seen a nice and significant improvement, which is testament to the new product and to our customers being excited about what we have to offer in the new with the new model year.

Speaker 4

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of James Hardiman with Citigroup. Your line is

Speaker 9

live. Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. So follow-up On the guidance and Jonathan really appreciate the added color on sort of the wholesale versus retail. I think you said for retail in 20 For flat to up 9%, maybe help us with the major drivers there.

Speaker 9

I know it's sometimes not very helpful to think about an industry number because you're such a big part of the industry in certain segments. But just trying to tease out the overall Sort of how you're thinking about the demand backdrop relative to the benefit from what sounds like an unprecedented new product haul? And then maybe help us with some of the below the line items as well. Obviously, you don't guide to an EPS number, but tax and share count, maybe interest expense. I mean, I think we should be getting to an EPS number in the low to mid $4 range, But I don't know if that's quite right based on how you're thinking about the below the line.

Speaker 9

Thanks.

Speaker 1

Okay, great. Thanks, James. I'll start with sort of some of your questions on what we saw from below the line. It may be helpful for Joakener, Edel, provide a little bit of commentary in terms of their perspective on retail for 2024. I think if we just start with below the obviously, we saw a lot of favorability in 2023 relative to some pension adjustments and things of that nature.

Speaker 1

So that's the primary driver in terms of what you see from that standpoint. Obviously, shareholders are benefiting from an EPS perspective With the focus that we have on share buybacks that we kind of walked through a little bit earlier today, so certainly for us Pretty big consideration point, I think, for how we reward shareholders. Relative to retail, as you said, the flat to up 9 kind of to 163,000 to 178,000. Jochen, James, as you reflect back kind of touched a little bit on the fact that that is a wider range than what we normally see for a variety of reasons. But Jochen, do you want to comment any further on that?

Speaker 3

Well, not much to add to what I already indicated earlier. It's early in the year. We really need to get closer And into the riding season, at this point in time, we believe we have an extraordinary product. Early reception is great. But the overall environment in terms of interest rates is certainly a headwind, which we experienced very much throughout the entire year of 2023.

Speaker 3

And we'll just have to see how it all works out. And our retail guidance is a global guidance. It's not the U. S. Or North America guidance, Turing, while we've been able to shift the mix in the international markets, including profitability more towards Our profit focused categories, it has the most significance in the North American market.

Speaker 3

So that requires The U. S. Market to pull a lot of weight when it comes to retail growth in 2024, and we just have to see what's possible. Early indications Right now, with our new Molyneux launch are positive, but it's way too early to really give more concrete guidance than what we've said.

Speaker 9

That's really helpful. If I could just sneak in a clarification, Jonathan, is there any way to just think about the tax rate and share count for 2024, obviously those are those could be some swing factors and just want to make sure everybody is on the same page.

Speaker 1

Yes. No, great question. And I think as we think about share count, obviously, we've talked through our commitment Looking at share buybacks consistent with what we looked at in 2023, so obviously that cadence will come down over time. So From a share buyback perspective, we'd probably buyback throughout the quarters, obviously not in one big block at a time. But I think that's the piece that's worth factoring in is looking at share price movement, looking in the dollar target that we've set and then just thinking through how that will impact across the year.

Speaker 3

James, I've given Jonathan and the finance team the challenge to be able to give guidance on EPS as of next year. So mark your calendar, we'll hopefully be able to achieve that.

Speaker 9

Looking forward to it. Thanks guys. All right. Thanks James.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Tristan Thomas Martin with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is live.

Speaker 10

Hey, good morning. I just wanted to kind of get your thoughts on the model year 'twenty four touring pricing. If I look at, for example, 24 Street Glide, It's more expensive than a base Street Glide for 23, but I think the features are much more comparable to, let's say, like a Street Glide Special where 23 is more expensive than a 24. So just kind of wanted to get your thoughts on kind of some of these changes, the model consolidation. Is this just an overall way to address affordability without just straight up lowering MSRPs or getting too promotional?

Speaker 3

Well, we wanted to make sure that our new products are competitive, and we believe that we've accomplished that for sure, given the early reaction we've seen in the market. And as you rightly said, we included several key features and benefits that we previously had in our ST in special models in our mid levels now and increase the price from the base level to our base models to reflect the additional content that now comes as a standard equipment. In addition, we are offering a lot of P and A packages that allow our customer to essentially get up to a product that is at ST and special pricing level and features level. And that's what we've tried to achieve by reducing at this point overall complexity of our touring setup. So I think it's the best of all worlds that we're achieving with our new pricing.

Speaker 3

It's competitive, but it's still $24,000,000 $9.99 And That's while higher than our base models, it's lower than our STs and Specials. And again, if you look at the pricing actions that we have taken in the Q4 and our carryover products that needed to consider the new pricing for our new model. So STs and Special We needed to give support and continue to give dealer support to price them accordingly in order to move them out and sell them. And I think that's essentially the key decision that we've made. And so far, it's proven very successful.

Speaker 3

And Big comments that you will see in online forums, people understand that there's a lot more key features and a lot more benefits that we've previously had in our STs and Specials now already incorporated in our mid levels.

Speaker 10

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Noah Zatzkin with KeyBanc. Your line is live.

Speaker 10

Hi, thanks for taking my question. Maybe just one on LiveWire for me. Looking out over the next several years, are you thinking about the unit and profitability ramp there? And has anything changed in terms of your medium term view for the business and the opportunity? Thanks.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Noah. Well, I guess when we look at LiveWire right now, our focus is really about product innovation and cost improvement. We want to reach profitability as fast as we can. So we're in a strong position to capture the opportunity as the market develops. So Right now, we remain focused on our long term vision of being the leader in a 2 wheeled EV industry, driven again by innovation and performance.

Speaker 4

In the short term, a strong internal plan to reach profitability as soon as

Speaker 1

possible. Thanks.

Operator

Thanks for your question. Our next question is from the line of David MacGregor with Longbow Research. Your line is live.

Speaker 10

Yes, good morning. Thanks for taking my call my questions. I guess I just wanted to follow-up on the LiveWire discussion. Kareem, could you Dig a little bit deeper into kind of the experience this quarter, the consumer reaction to the S2 Delmar, you shipped 6 60 bikes in 23. Could you talk about kind of retail sales and how that may have grown through the year?

Speaker 10

And you're talking about 126 dealers this year. What are you expecting to grow that to in 2024? Thank you.

Speaker 4

Yes. Thanks for the question, follow-up question. Well, look, at this stage, we feel pretty good about the Q4 shipments because we have more orders in hand than shipments done so far. So we feel pretty good about retail and the conversion In the short term, now we're absolutely working really hard on creating a retail engine and supporting our dealers, which is why you saw That we reached 126 retailers globally. Obviously, when you look at the number of bags, it makes it for a very Attainable target for retailers to achieve at retail.

Speaker 4

So our goal is to essentially in 2024 match retail with wholesale. So the team is hard at work to deliver on making retail momentum sustained and to support wholesale.

Speaker 2

Great.

Speaker 4

Thanks. Good luck with that. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jamie Katz with Morningstar. Your line is live.

Speaker 11

Hi, good morning. I want to focus in on market share, which actually improved quarter over quarter. But I'm wondering where you guys are trying to structurally drive that to over time? Or is it something that maybe this 40% level is The new normal given the shift in consumer demand to other types of bikes, would you help us think about that longer term? Thanks.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Jamie. Well, our focus as part of this strategy has been very clear, shifting the mix Towards our core focus, our core categories, right? That's the tri cruiser touring. And that shift has proven extremely successful. We've mentioned earlier, our average unit profitability is up from $1300 to $3,700 So not being obsessed by unit sales over the last few years served us well in terms of overall profitability, which has improved From 6.3% to 13.6%, so extraordinary improvement.

Speaker 3

That said, obviously, we want to grow our business, We believe that with our new model year 2024, we have that opportunity. We have the right foundation, but we also need a more accommodating economic environment. And when I say economic environment, then I'm talking about our industry and high interest rates that a tough challenge for many of our core customers. So I don't want to evade you the answer to your question, but Our focus is on growth and profitable growth. And that's how we will complete our hardwire Stage 2 strategy At the end of 2025, what comes after that, we will address at the appropriate time.

Speaker 3

We do look at market shares, but we're not obsessed by market shares. I've never been, never will. But of course, it's pleasing to see that in this tough environment, especially in the Q4, we were able to grow our touring share Back to 75%, large cruiser 80%, I mean that's commanding. Give or take 5%, that's always the swing that you're going to see throughout the year. Also on a rolling 12 month forward or backward, and I think that's likely where we're going to be, but we believe there's an opportunity to take market share, especially in touring and through our TRYC offering, because we have competitive and great product, And that should see a positive development certainly next year, if all our plans come to fruition.

Speaker 3

And hopefully that will carry on through in future years as well at least until the end of our hardware stage 2, which is at the end of 2025. The touring platform, as I mentioned, is a has been in development since 2020. And it's the first refresh. And in fact, it's not a refresh. It's a complete rebuild from the bottom up in every respect.

Speaker 3

And I think the positive reactions give us that opportunity, but it's a little early to comment how lasting that is going to be, but we feel very good about it.

Speaker 11

Thank you.

Operator

And we have a final question for today from the line of Brandon Rolle with D. A. Davidson. Your line is live. Thank you

Speaker 12

for squeezing in my question here. Just a question on your margin guidance. I think you had called out additional manufacturing costs is being a headwind to guidance this year. Could you size up the amount of headwind from those additional manufacturing costs and then provide any additional color on feedback you're receiving for the model year 2024 lineup? Thank you.

Speaker 1

All right. Thank you, Brandon. We'll start with your sort of question on what we're seeing from a manufacturing given some of the noise that we have within there. So obviously, we've put a $400,000,000 price target out there from a productivity perspective. We walked through What we've seen over the last couple of years and where we envision 2024 landing, so about $100,000,000 of positivity that lands in 2024 to help offset what we see from an inflationary perspective.

Speaker 1

As you look at that movement over time, We obviously feel pretty positive about that. When you kind of talk through some of the headwinds that we see, if we take a look at what this means from a margin perspective, Obviously, depending upon where we fall from an overall volume perspective with our fairly wide ranges, we want to make sure that we are looking at Moving our retail and wholesale in concert with each other, we obviously have a lot that we have to pay attention to from cost and as you think through sort of a leverage or deleverage impact. And so I think from that standpoint, certainly a little bit of noise as we just try to work through what that could mean from an overall leverage or deleverage impact. And then as we think about manufacturing optimization, Chain Efficiency, as Joakim talked about, this is a transformative launch. As you look at The significance of what we have with StreetGlide and RoadGlide that are now hitting our dealers, obviously, is you have sort of a Very, very major change that occurs all the way from your suppliers through to what we end up moving into our dealership.

Speaker 1

There's a lot of there's a lot of just a lot of change and a lot of variability that can occur with that. We feel like it's been a fairly smooth launch so far, But we certainly always want to make sure that we have are living in a world where we're not over promising to anyone. And I think beyond that, Joakim and Adele, do you have questions on or I'm sorry, do you have some comments relative to the 'twenty five model year reception for 'twenty four?

Speaker 3

You're ahead of time of your time. 24, well, look, I've not much more to add. Maybe overall, I would say There's really positive reaction to our overall pricing strategy when it comes to the carryover product and our new product. I think that The decisions we've taken in the Q4 will help us in 2024. And I think unilaterally positive reactions to our new Streetcar, Roadlight, lots of excitement about our new CVOST.

Speaker 3

We've started the trend with performance and picked up on a trend that we saw years ago, developing especially on the West Coast, but in other parts of America as well. And we've as I mentioned in my speech, We've tried to push that hard with our King of the Beggars race series and our race bikes. So really bringing a performance aspect into our product is now shown with our CVO Rolled Light ST, fantastic product, very well priced And lots of excitement. I've been riding with a big group of influences in Las Vegas. And I mean, It was just a lot of excitement around our touring new touring bikes.

Speaker 3

I don't want to forget our first CVO ever outside of The touring category with our adventure touring bike, also a testament to our development on continuous focus on The adventure touring market, so overall, we feel good about it. And also the pricing in our entry product, Nightstar, That we've adjusted accordingly, great product, especially for new riders as well as an entry bike. So we should see some positive developments that in overall in the year. But as I said, it's early days. We don't want to get overly excited here.

Speaker 3

23 was a tough year and interest rates haven't changed. And the outlook certainly doesn't suggest that that's going to happen in the prime riding season, so we'll have to balance our excitement for the new product with realities of the market.

Speaker 12

Thank you. And if I could just follow-up on the manufacturing cost question, would you be able to break out the initial start up costs for the new touring production line versus Just additional manufacturing costs throughout the year?

Speaker 3

I think all we can say is in the largest investment in a single platform that Harley David's never made.

Speaker 1

Yes. And I think Brandon, the good news is that you will hear more from us as we move through the year and talk about our financials and do our kind of year over year comp. So in sort of our standard fashion, we'll make sure that we're continuing to provide Breakouts that we're seeing from a revenue perspective, we'll obviously walk through and talk through the P and L. So the promise that we do make is that throughout 2024, we certainly will be talking about this. And as you would imagine, 2024 is a little bit noisy when you look at some things quarter over quarter and some of the changes that we envision that we'll see In terms of things, shipping units into the dealer network and as Joakim talked about throughout his prepared comments and I talked about through mine, Obviously, getting that match between retail and wholesale is something that we feel is very important.

Speaker 1

But yes, we'll be excited to talk about that with you throughout this year.

Speaker 9

Great. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. To close out today, I'd like to hand the call back over to CEO, Jochen Ziets

Speaker 3

to thank Adele O'Sullivan for her many contributions to the company over the past 3 years and to wish her very well on her future endeavors. So thank you very much, Adele, and thank you all for joining us

Speaker 6

this morning. Have a great day. Thank

Operator

you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference call. Thanks for joining. You may now disconnect. Have a great day.

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