NYSEAMERICAN:VNRX VolitionRx Q4 2023 Earnings Report $0.48 -0.01 (-2.56%) As of 05/2/2025 04:10 PM Eastern Earnings History VolitionRx EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.11Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/AVolitionRx Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$0.24 millionExpected Revenue$0.50 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$260.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/AVolitionRx Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2023Date3/25/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateTuesday, March 26, 2024Conference Call Time8:30AM ETUpcoming EarningsVolitionRx's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Monday, May 12, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Tuesday, May 13, 2025 at 8:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by VolitionRx Q4 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMarch 26, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 11 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to VolitionRx Limited's 4th Quarter and Full Year 2023 Earnings Conference Call. During today's presentation, all parties will be in a listen only mode. Following the presentation, the conference call will be open for questions. This conference call is being recorded today, March 26, 2024. Operator00:00:41I would now like to turn the conference over to Louise Batchelor, Group Chief Marketing and Communications Officer. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:52Thank you, and welcome, everyone, to today's earnings conference call for VolitionRx Limited. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that some of the information discussed on this conference call will include forward looking statements covered under the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are based on our beliefs as well as assumptions we have used based upon information currently available to us. Because these statements reflect our current views concerning future events, these statements involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions. Actual future results may vary significantly based on a number of factors that may cause the actual results or events to be materially different from future results, performance or achievements expressed or implied by these statements. Speaker 100:01:46We have identified various risk factors associated with our operations in our most recent annual report on Form 10 ks, quarterly reports on Form 10 Q and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We do not undertake an obligation to update any forward looking statements made during the course of this call. I am joined today by Mr. Cameron Reynolds, President and Group Chief Executive Officer Mr. Terry Hughes, Group Chief Financial Officer Doctor. Speaker 100:02:19Tom Braterra, Chief Executive Officer of our Volition Veterinary subsidiary and Doctor. Andrew Retter, currently medical consultant to Volition, which has recently announced due to join Volition in the role of Chief Medical Officer in April 2024. During the call, we will cover Volition's financial and operating results for the Q4 and full fiscal year of 2023, along with a discussion of our recent activities and upcoming milestones. Following our prepared remarks, we will open the conference call to a question and answer session. I'll now turn the call over to Cameron Reynolds. Speaker 100:02:56Cameron? Speaker 200:02:57Thanks, Lou, and thank you, everyone, for joining Volition's 4th quarter and full year 2023 earnings call today. We appreciate your time given the busy annual 10 ks filing season. We will commence the call with a financial report from our Group Chief Financial Officer, Terry Hughes, before moving on to a prerecorded update from Doctor. Tom Guatera, Chief Executive Officer of Volition Vet on the rollout of our Nu. Q Vet cancer tests. Speaker 200:03:26And I'm delighted to welcome Doctor. Andy Retta to the call to provide an update on the Nu. Q NETs and CAPTCHA PCR. As was announced last week, Andy will be joining Volition as our Chief Medical Officer beginning April 1. Many of you will have heard from Andy previously, but I'd like to formally share his credentials. Speaker 200:03:46Doctor. Reta is an intensive care consultant at Guy's and St. Thomas' NHS Foundation Trust in London, where he has worked as a consultant since 2014 and leads clinical governance in critical care. He specializes in the management of severe respiratory failure, ECMO and thrombosis. Doctor. Speaker 200:04:07Retter is the only consultant in the UK to hold dual entry on the specialist register in intensive care and in hematology and provides national guidance on the management of complex hematology patients in critical care. He will continue his clinical and research duties at Guy St. Thomas Foundation Trust after joining Volition. Doctor. Reda has worked with Volition in an advisory capacity since January of 2022 To help guide the product development and clinical utility of Nu. Speaker 200:04:36Q NETs, our CE Mark routine blood test to detect disease associated with mitosis, such as sepsis. The whole team are absolutely delighted to be welcoming Andy more formally into Volition. As Chief Medical Officer, he will be vital to our success, ensuring the needs of the patient are placed at the heart of our research, development and commercialization activities. It's great to have you on board, Andy. And I must say, your enthusiasm for our mission and platform really helps us to fully understand the great importance of the work we do. Speaker 200:05:10Following Andy's update, I will wrap up with my thoughts and upcoming milestones and discuss our overall strategy going forward. Without further ado, I'll hand you across to Terry for our financial report. Terry? Speaker 300:05:24Thanks very much, Cameron, and thank you everyone for joining our earnings call today. I'll now provide a summary of the key financial results for the quarter ended December 31 full year 2023. From a revenue perspective, we recorded revenue of $244,000 for the quarter, a 104% increase over the same period last year. For the full year 2023, we recorded revenue $75,000 an increase of 153% over the prior year. We believe that these results demonstrate steady progress, but not yet the ramp in revenues that we anticipate. Speaker 300:06:03We expect revenues to accelerate in 2024 as several additional distributors come online with our Nu. Q Vet cancer test, in particular, HanTek and Fuji Vet who are both about to launch and our Nu. Q Discover pipeline continues to grow. 2023 full year revenue of the Nu. Q Bet cancer test was $475,000 a year on year increase of 194%, mainly reflecting sales of reference kits through our agreement with IDEXX. Speaker 300:06:34Revenue for Nu. Q Discover for 2023 was $300,000 which reflects 107% growth over 2022. Moving on to the balance sheet. We ended the year with cash and cash equivalents of approximately $20,700,000 compared with $10,900,000 at the end of 2022. Net cash generated from operating activities during the Q4 2023 was approximately $6,400,000 and reflected the receipt of $13,000,000 in milestone payments from Heska Corporation in December. Speaker 300:07:11For the full year 2023, net cash used in in operating activities was $18,100,000 compared to $15,300,000 in the prior year. Net loss for Q4 2020 3 was $8,800,000 compared to $7,300,000 for the Q4 2022 and for the full year, dollars 35,700,000 compared to $30,600,000 in 2022. This increase was primarily the result of increased research and development expenditures, mainly reflecting the costs of our U. S. Clinical trials, which added $3,100,000 to the P and L costs in 2023. Speaker 300:07:50To date, various European funding bodies and in particular, Belgian agencies have committed to the company over $21,000,000 in non diluted funding in various forms, including cash grants and loans on favorable terms. In the Q4, our Walloon Institutional Fund and regional government bodies of the Walloon region of Belgium committed additional funding to the company, aggregating approximately $5,500,000 of which approximately 1 half was in the form of a loan. We would like to publicly thank the various government agencies of Belgium for their continued support. We have also initiated efforts with respect to seeking non dilutive funding in the U. S. Speaker 300:08:35Our aim is to fund some of our major programs through either non dilutive or project financing, which we anticipate could be substantial over the next 2 years. As mentioned earlier, at the end of the Q4, we received $13,000,000 in milestone payments from HESTA Corporation, now an Amtech company and part of Mars PetCare, one of the largest pet health companies in the world. And so to recap, we ended the year with cash and cash equivalents of $20,700,000 With that said, I believe that we are well placed to execute the plans the team have in place for 2024. And with that, I will pass over to Doctor. Tom Vaterra, CEO of our Volition Veterinary subsidiary. Speaker 300:09:18Tom? Speaker 400:09:20Thanks very much, Tarek, and good morning, everybody. In 2023, we supplied kits and components for over 58,000 tests, 5 times the number in the prior year. This growth demonstrates solid progress to date and we certainly expect more growth to come as additional companies fully launch our product at home in the United States and around the world. By the end of 2023, the Nu. Q Vet Cancer test was available in the United States, the United Kingdom and Ireland, Portugal, Singapore, Taiwan and Italy. Speaker 400:09:592023 was a breakthrough year for Volition Veterinary gaining such wide distribution and with such respected companies. So kudos to the team and a special thanks to our legal department. We have also learned a great deal, launching and introducing a new product in veterinary medicine, especially early cancer detection in dogs takes a tremendous amount of education to teach veterinarians how to incorporate this early cancer dialogue into their routine wellness visits. Our Nu. Q test also requires an additional cost to the client, which is part of our educational conversation in teaching doctors how to easily make this part of their wellness office visit. Speaker 400:10:44Additionally, we are always emphasizing the affordable cost of our test and encouraging doctors to keep the test at very reasonable margins. The fact is clearly related to the very large number of dogs that they will be screened for early cancer detection. All in all, I believe our Volition team will look back on 2023 as a proud pivotal moment in the burgeoning field of early canine cancer detection, setting the stage to improve and extend the lives of millions of dogs in the months years to come. We have also launched the Nu. Q test with IDEXX, one of the world's leading veterinary diagnostic companies and now Heska, an Antech company and part of VARZ PetCare, another leading veterinary company in completing the exciting tech transfer onto the Heska Element I plus in house diagnostic platform. Speaker 400:11:45More recently, as you will have seen in an announcement just last week, we have signed a supply agreement with Fujifilm Vet Systems for our Nu. Q Vet Cancer Test in Japan. Indeed, I have pre recorded my update for today's call as I am currently over in Japan with our colleagues from Fuji and wow, what an incredible event this last week. We were delighted to be deeply engaged with our Fuji colleagues at their veterinary booth located at the World Veterinary Cancer Congress in Tokyo. This event also provided a significant exposure to numerous veterinary cancer specialists from around the world. Speaker 400:12:29We believe that Japan is a considerable market opportunity for Volition as we seek to expand our Nu. Q Vet cancer test offering in Asia and Fuji is a great partner with us. Fujifilm Vet Systems is Japan's leading veterinary diagnostic laboratory service with a network of 10 laboratories, serving more than 90% of the 12,000 veterinary clinics and hospitals nationwide in Japan. As a reminder, our test is a simple, affordable, easy to use blood screening test that can be easily integrated into preventive care programs and used alongside other routine blood work during regular wellness visits. We had an incredibly busy time at the Fuji booth and have been excited not only to see the response to the test, but also to hear about the exciting marketing plans Fuji has in place to drive the adoption of Nu. Speaker 400:13:29Q. Heather also had the privilege of presenting a poster about the Nu. Q Vet Cancer Test at the Congress. It's been a busy few days and we look forward to working alongside Fujifilm Vet Systems as they roll out our test countrywide across their extensive diagnostic laboratory network. We are also incredibly excited that the Nu. Speaker 400:13:53Q Vet cancer test will soon be available as an in house diagnostic via Heska, an Antech company. We understand preorders are currently being processed and the tests will be rolled out fully at their upcoming national sales meeting at the end of this month. Soon veterinarians will have accurate in hospital, fast test results in under 8 minutes, so they can discuss findings with pet owners and hopefully develop an action plan before the patient even goes home. Antec is initially pricing the test at $35 to the veterinarian and we really believe that the relatively low cost combined with the effectiveness of our test will help drive adoption of the test not only as a screening test, but also in time as an important monitoring tool for disease progression and remission. So to quote Cameron, very exciting times indeed. Speaker 400:14:54That's a quick update for me given our packed agenda today. I will now with absolute great pleasure hand over to our incoming Chief Medical Officer, Doctor. Andrew Reeder. Andy is a fabulous addition to our leadership team. Andy, over to you for an update on Nu. Speaker 400:15:10Q Net. Speaker 500:15:11Thank you very much for those kind words, Tom, and good morning, everybody. I'd just like to take a moment to start by thanking Cameron Jacob and the Board of Directors for working with me and inviting me to join the Volition team at such an important time. I've really enjoyed working with Volition for the last 2 years, and I'm really excited about leaning into and contributing to delivery of our mission and purpose in the years to come. We really hope to have an impact to improve the lives and quality of lives of millions of people worldwide. I'd like to update you this morning on some of the significant progress we've made for Nu. Speaker 500:15:45Q. NETs and our new breakthrough cancer detection method, which we now call CAPTCHA PCR. So first, starting with Nu. Q NETs and sepsis. Sepsis, as you've heard me say before, is one of the leading of causes of death worldwide with almost 50,000,000 cases annually and around 11,000,000 deaths. Speaker 500:16:06Felician has made significant progress trying to address these issues in 2023, and I'd just like to recap a few highlights. In September, Volition hosted a key opinion leader roundtable event in Athens, Greece. The workshop held over the course of 2 days focused exclusively on sepsis and the potential role of Nu. Q NETs. It's attended by some of the world's leading experts. Speaker 500:16:28Many of the attendees are operating under the umbrella of our Center of Excellence program with Nu. Q NET and have firsthand experience using AssayNow. And the sense from the group was that Nu. Q NET potentially represents one of the biggest breakthroughs in the diagnosis and monitoring of sepsis in the last 30 years. We're moving forward with this group and are now working on a review article with the intention to submit it for peer review and publication in a journal towards the end of the year. Speaker 500:16:57Continuing in the theme of publications, shortly after our Canadian Opinion Leader event and subsequent quarter end in October, the first clinical paper from our clinical excellence group was published. Professor Guillermo Monterrey's team in Lyon published data demonstrating the correlation of the Nu. Q. Net level and sepsis. There's a clear mortality signal. Speaker 500:17:20What does that mean? The higher patients' Nu. Q. Net level, unfortunately, the more likely they are to die. We've also seen in a longitudinal fashion, that the Nu. Speaker 500:17:29Q. Net level tracks very well with the severity of the patient's illness. We've been using something called the SOFA score, the sequential organ failure assessment score to calibrate and check EQ net levels. It's brilliant that we've got the first paper out, and I'm really looking forward to publishing and sharing with you more data from our centers of excellence as we go through 2024 2025. Over in the U. Speaker 500:17:56S, I'm pleased to report that Volition completed the Q sub process with the U. S. Food and Drug confirm that my own hospital, Guy's and St. Thomas's, has started using Nu. Q. Speaker 500:18:15NETs in our first study. In a similar theme, we are trying to identify and track patients and monitor the severity of sepsis. This is a large study. We're aiming to enroll around 500 patients and compare patients with sepsis to healthy patients undergoing cardiac surgery. This should give us really good data try and split the patients apart and understand differences between them. Speaker 500:18:38For those that might have missed the recent Edison webinar on sepsis or indeed their thematic report, I wanted to highlight a couple of ongoing studies, which we hope will continue to reinforce and strengthen our clinical utility case. We have ongoing analysis of 2 large retrospective sepsis cohorts in Europe. The first is with the German sepsis group, and the second is with the team at UMC Amsterdam. In total, these studies will examine the outcome and trajectory of over 2,500 patients with sepsis. They involve the processing of over 8,000 Nu. Speaker 500:19:13Q net samples. It's an unbelievably rich data source for us. And we're really excited about this data. We're really excited about presenting it and submitting it for publication by the end of 2024. These studies will be a rich source of insight using Nu. Speaker 500:19:29Q. NET on a really large scale and should enable us to sharpen and improve it as we move forward to, again, bringing into the clinical arena. Our project with key opinion leader, Professor Dejali Enan in France is progressing really well. Dejali is involved in the consortium project with an ongoing prospective study of which Volition is a member. Again, it's longitude in nature and large scale and is aiming to recruit 1500 patients. Speaker 500:19:58We've also extended our study with docro in the U. S. We have refocused this study to concentrate on the sickest patients in admitted from the emergency room rather than simply including intensive care patients. This is expanding the population of patients in which we're using Nu. Q and that's really exciting. Speaker 500:20:18We hope to close out the study by the end of the second quarter, and we'll share the results as soon as we can. We're confident that we will have significantly strengthened our data within the confidential data room to support ongoing commercial discussions by the middle of the year. From a publication perspective, all eyes and our focus will be on the European Society of Intensive Care meeting in October later this year. We anticipate a number of the studies I've just mentioned will report at ESRCM. We're also really proud to be sponsoring our 1st satellite symposium session at the Congress. Speaker 500:20:55More details will follow, but it's going to be a really busy year ahead for Nuquenets and sepsis. I'd now like to take just a few minutes to discuss Volition's potentially breakthrough cancer detection method, which we first presented at the European Society of Medical Oncology Congress in 2023. Cancer, as we all know, affects the lives of millions around the world each year. Unfortunately, the number of new cases of cancer diagnosed each year is continuing to grow. Like many diseases, early diagnosis when the cancer is smaller and hasn't spread leads to a better outcome for patients. Speaker 500:21:36That's less surgery, less chemotherapy and just needs to better and improved outcomes. Sadly, cancer is often a silent disease. It's asymptomatic and people don't realize they have it until really quite late. In the U. K, we're a perfect example about that, where around 45% in cancers are diagnosed at the later stages, Stage III and Stage IV. Speaker 500:22:03Our test focuses around detecting circulating tumor DNA, ctDNA. Detecting ctDNA is really difficult because the levels of DNA in blood are relatively low and circulating tumor DNA compromises only about 0.01% of the circulating cell free DNA. While the challenge is compounded as most of the tachytencantherDNA looks almost identical or is indeed exactly the same as normal DNA, Volition has developed a novel method of liquid biopsy involving the first reported physical isolation of tumor derived DNA fragments from blood. The cancer derived circulating tumor DNA fragments are then extracted after removal of all normal background DNA. And then they are sequenced using a low cost PCR test. Speaker 500:22:59We're calling this technique CAPTCHA PCR. Volition's proof of concept data was presented at ESMO 2023, demonstrating the isolation of tumor derived ctDNA fragments from plasma. Volition tested the new method in a small clinical experiment and detected a range of liquid and solid organ cancers, including early stage disease, stage 1 disease. These early assays were developed from our initial leukemias model, but to our surprise, we were also able to detect many other cancers. In particular, we were able to detect colorectal cancer. Speaker 500:23:36We're really excited about the potential for CAPTCHA PCR going forward. My colleague, Doctor. Jake McAllath and team have presented at a number of cancer specific conferences such as prostate cancer and liver cancer conferences. They have been sharing their data with important key opinion leaders and we've received really valuable feedback and positive feedback as we go forward. The team have also continued to identify other potential markers and other potential targets associated with the PCR test, and we very much look forward to sharing this data, in particular, in solid organ cancers throughout this year and beyond. Speaker 500:24:13Last, but by certainly no means least, Jake is working hard on completing the manuscript to submit this breakthrough method for peer review and publication. This is going to be an incredibly important paper and is intrinsically aligned with Volition's core ethos and purpose of bringing a low cost diagnostic test to millions of people around the world. Understandably, there will be ongoing commercial discussions throughout the year. Enjoying to a close, and so I can hand back over to Cameron, I'd just like take a moment, and I hope it's come across from me talking here, to express how personally excited I am to be joining the company. I really believe in Volition's ethos and purpose, and I'll hand you back to Cameron for his closing remarks. Speaker 500:24:56Thank you ever so much. Speaker 200:24:57Thanks very much, Andy, for providing those insights and thanks as always to Terry and Tom for their reports. It is a real sign of the varied expertise we now have at Volition. 2023 was certainly transformational for Volition and a year we can look back on with pride. The commercialization of our transformational Nu. Q Vet Cancer Test within the companion animal healthcare sector has led to agreements with several new global and regional partners, including last week with Fujifilm Vet Systems, Japan's leading veterinary diagnostic service provider and looking just around the corner, the Nu. Speaker 200:25:34Q Vet cancer test will soon be available as an in house diagnostic test through HESCA, an Antech company. We strongly suspect we will see very good revenue growth from Nu. Q Vet through 2024 and beyond. I'm also absolutely delighted in the progress made in our Nu. Q NET pillar and in particular in determining our regulatory pathway forward with the U. Speaker 200:25:56S. FDA, a key milestone for the company and in having a number of large scale clinical studies due for publication later this year. Thirdly, and as we always seem to run low on time, I won't cover too much, but I would like to quickly mention Nu. Q Discover, which recorded revenue of $300,000 in 2023 and now as a pipeline of projects valued at over $1,000,000 As a reminder, Nu. Q Discover is a complete solution to profiling nucleosomes, drug developers and scientists can work with us, access our state of the art proprietary assays and realize their long term drug development needs. Speaker 200:26:38In this way, Nu. Q Discover is able to unlock value from Volition's IP portfolio by helping us commercialize the areas we are not going to focus on ourselves. As I mentioned, revenue in 2023 was $300,000 and we expect it to more than double in 2024 and be as profitable as early as 2025. And finally, I'm absolutely also delighted with our potential breakthrough CTCF cancer detection method, CAPTURE PCR, which we had a poster in the Q4 at ESMO. We believe this is a true breakthrough moment. Speaker 200:27:14The first reported physical isolation of a class of tumor derived cell free DNA fragments from blood. We expect that this method obviates expensive and time consuming DNA sequencing and bioinformatics, allowing for a rapid cost effective detection in a routine blood test. This method could become a must have technology given its significance, we are very much open to licensing this technology. We have been tremendously encouraged by the level of interest thus far. It has been and will continue to be a busy few months ahead of discussions and negotiations, not only now on capture PCR, but as we build out the data room for Nu. Speaker 200:27:55Q nets through the Q2 of this year, we anticipate more active discussions on that front as well. It is an exciting time for us as a company and we look forward to sharing further updates and milestones with you over the coming quarters as we continue to adapt such changing times and conditions to deliver on what we believe to be revolutionary technologies. Given the current macroeconomic conditions, we are focusing on getting each pillar to support itself either through product revenues, milestone payments, out licensing or other non dilutive funding in the coming year. We are making every attempt to ensure as little dilution as possible to reach breakeven as a company with a mix of non dilutive funding, revenue and milestone payments from our licensing as we have achieved in vet. As we've described before, we are currently targeting the following. Speaker 200:28:50Firstly, we expect Nu. Q Vet to be overall cash positive from existing milestone payments and the expected revenue ramp as more partners launch and existing partners expand into new territories. We're also working on a range of new products to drive revenue growth and hopefully new out licensing and milestone payments in future years from Veth. Secondly, we expect Nu. Q Discover to more than double revenue in 2024 and to become profitable as a unit starting in 2025 with over $1,000,000 in the current pipeline and growing strongly. Speaker 200:29:23Thirdly, we have begun a strategy to fund, as Terec alluded to earlier, our Nu. Q nets pillar through non dilutive and or project funding with an aim of $25,000,000 We have targeted a range of governmental agencies and are also preparing the background work aimed at attracting a large player to either out license or invest in this product directly. We have made strong progress through the Q1 of 2024 in getting the data required and our aim is to get the 1st payments in the next 12 months from either corporate or governmental sources. Lastly, as discussed by Gail Fortier, our Chief Commercialization Officer in our recent webinar, there has been a lot of external interest in our CTCF and Nu. Q cancer technologies. Speaker 200:30:12Our strategy is to license this out to 1 or more large companies as a commercial undertaking of this size is likely beyond our current capabilities. If successful, we believe this strategy could provide us with ongoing royalties and very meaningful milestone payments in the next 12 months. And drawing to a close, I would like to thank you all for joining the call today. We very much appreciate it, given how much there is to digest across all of our pillars. We are now happy to answer questions. Speaker 200:30:42Operator? Operator00:30:45Thank Our first question is from Tim Moore with EFS. Please proceed. Speaker 600:31:11Thank you. And that was very informative prepared remarks. It was nice to hear that there's a lot of different levers being pulled and good optionality. Speaker 700:31:20Thank you. Speaker 600:31:21Sure. Maybe I just want to start out with IDEXX. You mentioned there were revenues, it sounds like the end of the year that started to come through. I'm just kind of wondering if you can talk a little bit about, it seems like they finally finished kind of getting their standard operating procedures and best practices in place for the marketing launch? And if you can remind me, is it something like $10 per kit you're getting on those because you're assembling the full kit and shipping them? Speaker 700:31:46Yes, yes, it is. That's correct. So yes, IDEX have been great partners for the last year and a half. And I think that put a we're putting a lot of work into really try to get the sales growing. So I think it's I think there's absolutely huge need for the test worldwide. Speaker 700:32:05And certainly to get to where we need to get to, there's had to be some education of the customers. It's a completely disruptive technology. So when it comes into the market, it's obviously a whole new thing for the vets as well as for the company. And so we've been working closely with them to really get sales moving. And I think as it was mentioned several times, so 58,000 tests this last year sold. Speaker 700:32:32So we sold the components for. So it's getting adoption. And obviously, it's a very disruptive test. And I think also when the new platform comes through, which is actually starting on the first of next month, Having it available in the lab as well as a point of care, I think will be absolutely huge to getting adoption out there. I think the more groups out there selling it whether that's IDEX or Heska or Fuji, it really helps to generate awareness and education and getting vets used to a disruptive new technology. Speaker 700:33:07As we discussed, there's been nothing available in the cancer space before. So yes, and then Ozurdest is correct. Speaker 600:33:16Great. Well, thanks for that really good Japan Fujifilm Vet Systems update. That was terrific news. And actually, the question about feline tests. You think that's still maybe on track to launch maybe late this year? Speaker 600:33:28And when would you think you would receive the $5,000,000 milestone payment timing? Speaker 700:33:34Yes, good question. And the first point, Fuji have done a huge amount of work before the launch. They're very organized. They're the biggest vet company in Japan. There's 60,000 vets in Japan and 12,000 vet hospitals. Speaker 700:33:48I didn't realize it was that big a market. It's obviously a large country and quite a rich country. So as you probably heard from Tom and the team, the enthusiasm from the vet commerce there has been very large. So it's extremely good to keep enthusiasm coming through and have a good new market. Yes. Speaker 700:34:07So the feline side, we've been doing some work on as with a range of other products looking to launch in the vet space. We're looking to get it working in CAT 5th year. So it's certainly possible this year or in the first half of next year that payment will be made. As we talked about an overall part of our strategy is to get as much funding as we can from non dilutive milestones and that would be the last of the payments due to us from Heska, the $23,000,000 we've got so far plus this $5,000,000 So yes, it's definitely still in process and it's a reasonable thing to still have on the books. Speaker 600:34:45Great, great. My last set of questions is tied to sepsis. I mean, such a huge catalyst, gigantic market, number 1 killer in the hospitals. You have talked before about the traditional, the 510 regulatory pathway. And if you can remind me, you're trying to demonstrate substantially equivalent performance and characteristics of a device already at the FDA cleared in the U. Speaker 600:35:07S, right? Can you kind of walk us through that? And I know it's theoretical, but what is the timeline? I get a lot of questions from investors about when do you think if it does work out and you get approved, when do you think you can maybe start achieving revenues on the sepsis side? Speaker 700:35:24Yes, very good question. So there's obviously, it's a product which has shown tremendous promise as you said. And the 2 things we've proven so far, what publications have shown, that's closely correlated with intensive care mortality and so for school, which is obviously both of which is incredibly important. As we talked about sorry, I'm going to I called at the moment. There's a range of studies we're doing now, which will put a mountain of data, an avalanche of data coming out in thousands and thousands of patients and tens of thousands of samples beginning this month and all the way through the rest of the year with a big crescendo kind of in June. Speaker 700:36:03They're looking to show correlation with the sepsis III score, which sepsis is now defined as a dysregulated immune response, which is exactly what we measure. So it's actually obviously incredibly useful. Disease severity, correlation with 28 day mortality, the duration of organ support and the length of stay in hospital. So all of those are incredibly important to the clinician, which I think is why Andy and all the other clinicians we've been working with are so keen on them. With regards to the exact 510 ks path, probably best get it from Andy. Speaker 700:36:36He was the key person in those trials. I don't want to make a mistake on that. There are quite a few predicates products, none of which measure what we measure, but there are products which have the ability to do some of this. That's why we were very lucky to get the 510 passed and I'm sure he can outline. I think he might be available on some later calls to go through the predicates as they were discussed. Speaker 700:37:00But no, it's something we're incredibly excited about. And I think it's if it continues to go well and every bit of day we've seen so far has been outstanding. And because the test is low cost, it can be run on any platform, it can be a bedside test, it can be a lab test, it can be a lateral flow test. And doing it through a 510 which is as you know is the easier path through the FDA is very important. Now as to timing, obviously we're doing everything we can to preserve cash. Speaker 700:37:30So we're working with large governmental agencies to see if they can take a large part of the funding in the U. S. As well as Europe. We're also getting the data ready so that we can get industry partners involved. So I said that's coming to a head in June when we'll start open up a data room to look to get as much funded as possible from outside sources. Speaker 700:37:54Obvious reasons, the market is what it is at the moment. So we're doing everything we can not to spend money. And after that, product would be at least a couple of years. But don't forget, our model has always been to make as much money as we can from licensing and upfront milestone payments. In the last 2 years, we've got £23,000,000 just from Heska alone, which is obviously very, very meaningful in what we do. Speaker 700:38:17So I wouldn't just think of it revenue, which is obviously a few years away, but as we have invest getting large chunks of money in the meantime from large industry partners and or government agencies. And I think there's certainly our aim and I think it's a very reasonable chance that we'll get some licensing or milestone revenues from either or both transcription factors and the sepsis side in the next 12 months. And if you look at the level of payments we've got in the vet side, it's a very important test in the vet. But I think the Nu. Q. Speaker 700:38:49Net test is a whole level of importance for humanity. So we'd be expecting some very significant payments in that sort of timescale. Does that answer your question? Speaker 600:38:59It does, it does. It's terrific color and granularity. And I have one last little related topic question. You've kind of already addressed this. There could be potential for project financing. Speaker 600:39:08You can come from the corporate route, government, full milestones. One question I get from investors a lot was, as things go well on the vet side and maybe that becomes positive free cash flow and self funding 2 years from now, hopefully, would you consider divesting the vet side or spending it out to maybe cash flow fund the human sepsis trials? Speaker 700:39:31Yes, absolutely. So obviously, at the moment, it is actually not from revenue because you've seen what that is, but from the milestone payments and the other payments we're getting, it's actually cash flow positive at the moment from all those other payments. Dollars 23,000,000 obviously has been a lot from those side. Yes, we would absolutely look to corporatize and then have it run as a separate entity, because this is just the very first test on what should be a very long pathway of products we can launch in the pet space. We mentioned feline as well. Speaker 700:40:01Obviously, sepsis happens in dogs and every other animal as it does in humans. And also the human transcription factor work, We have every reason to believe it would work in animals just as well as humans and then all the other animals. So I think going forward, our business model has been very much to develop the technology and then prove it works, get a product launch like we have in vet, like we're about to in Natosis and then make revenue from licensing it out. But I think the final step on that path would be to make it to divest itself. I think that's something which could well happen in the next couple of years. Speaker 700:40:39And actually there's obviously been some interest from other groups. We're the only cancer detection company out there at the moment, which has a product in the market. So I think it's going to be a very attractive one. But we want to get that value curve kind of pushed up the curve by predicting felines and or sepsis and or transcription factors in the next 12 months. So it's probably a 2 year target for that. Speaker 600:41:04That's terrific. And thanks so much. And that's it for my questions. Speaker 700:41:07Thank you. Thanks for your time, Jim. Operator00:41:10Our next question is from Ilya Zavkov with Freedom Broker. Please proceed. Speaker 800:41:18Good morning and congrats for the progress in Q4. I Speaker 700:41:23have a Speaker 800:41:24question on oncology test. Talking about CAPTCHA PCR technology, what types of cancer are currently considered as the most promising for detection according to studies and your expectation? Speaker 700:41:39That's a very good question. So transcription factors are actually indicative of all types of cancer because they are it's an epigenetic signal, which is in all the cancers. So we've done some work in a varied range of cancers including lung and colorectal and the blood cancers. And initially we'll focus on the larger cancers, the more prevalent ones, particularly of course like we have in the past in London and colorectal and the blood cancers because that's where we did the first work. But it certainly holds the promise of it's definitely going to be low cost, very easy to run as easy to run as a COVID test in blood. Speaker 700:42:20But certainly potential for every single type of cancer. But you would probably not develop the test for every single type of cancer. You'd probably develop the top 5 or 7 types, which between them accounts for the vast majority of cancer cases. Speaker 800:42:39Thank you. That's helpful. And one more from me. The cancer test has demonstrated strong sensitivity in leukemia detection. And I'm wondering, has any progress been made in its diagnostic performance for detection of solid tumors since October last year? Speaker 800:42:56And do you see the opportunity for such improvement? Speaker 700:43:00Do you mean the solid tumors with Captured BCR? Speaker 900:43:04Yes. Speaker 700:43:06Yes. We've done a lot of work. The first thing we've been doing is been optimizing the process to make it as quick as easy as possible and on discovery on a wide range of different targets. So yes, we'll be making progress. I think Andy alluded to a paper that's in process of being published and also to make the process as quickly up. Speaker 700:43:29The process we announced was a prototype. We've been developing as much as we can to make it quicker, easier and cheaper and also on a broad range of solid tumors as well as the liquid tumor. And yes, we're making very good progress and we're aiming to publish in the next few or submit it soon in the next few months and also work heavily on out licensing. We've discussed several times on public calls that we think it's a complete breakthrough. And if we continue to show selection or concentration of tumor derived DNA, it's going to have to be a must have for anyone in the liquid biopsy business. Speaker 700:44:07So we've been very pleasantly surprised with the level of excitement and a bit of interest from a range of different groups and those active discussions are going on as well. And we'd expect to have some news on that in the coming months quarters as well, because again we want to license it out and get upfront payments as well as a share of the upside going forward. So expect to keep an eye on all of that in the next few months and next few quarters. Operator00:44:32Yes. And Cam, if I can just add Speaker 100:44:36this is, Lou Vachsley here. If I can just add, we've also presented a number of conferences this year, cancer specific conferences. So we've been at prostate cancer conference, liver cancer conference and then just this last weekend, a lung cancer conference with cancer specific posters with the CTCF and capture PCR technology. And we've then got breast and CRC to come in this Q2. So there has been some additional data presented and then we've got some stuff, as Cameron says, further down the line with the Generation 2. Operator00:45:23Our next question is from Bruce Jackson with The Benchmark Company. Please proceed. Speaker 400:45:29Hi, good morning and thanks for taking my questions. Speaker 700:45:32Hi, Bruce. Speaker 400:45:34So, my first question is for Andrew with the 500 patient study that you've just initiated. Could that be ready in time for the conference in October? I'm Speaker 700:45:47sorry, Andy is actually not right at your question at the moment. He's in clinic. Operator00:45:53No, He's just been pulled into clinic. Speaker 100:45:58The full study won't have been finished, Bruce, by October of this year, but we are hoping that we might potentially have some interim analysis available. But we will have the results from several large scale studies that will be presented at the October conference. So the UMC Amsterdam study and also the German sepsis group study will be presented in October. But potentially, there might just be an interim analysis of epithetis. Speaker 700:46:30Here's one is the perspective, Bruce. So the retrospective ones, UMC Amsterdam and the German study will be presented, we believe, but not the perspective that will be a bit slower, of course. Speaker 400:46:45Okay. And then a question on the burn rate. Is it going to stay where it was last year roughly? How is that going to develop over the course of this year in 2025? Speaker 900:46:58Derek? Yes. Good question. Hi, Bruce. So as we mentioned just now, we ended the year with cash of about $20,700,000 in the bank. Speaker 900:47:14And we used net cash in operating activities last year of 18 point $1,000,000 So that was partly offset or rather our costs were partly offset by the $13,000,000 that we received in licensing fees last year. And what we can expect is that our cost this year will be slightly lower than they were last year. And that's partly a result of the cost saving actions that we took at the back end of last year, saving a little over $2,000,000 on a full year basis. And our focus this year is on achieving our next licensing deals in the human space, as Cameron mentioned. So we've also initiated efforts with respect to seeking non dilutive funding in the U. Speaker 900:48:16S. And again, as Cameron mentioned, we're looking at getting each leg to support itself. What we're focusing on is bringing in those licensing deals so that we can achieve upfront payments and milestone payments. And we do expect to make good progress on those by the end of the year. I would expect that we've achieved 1 or more licensing deals by the end of the year. Speaker 900:48:52And so I'm pretty confident with the resources that we've got available to us with some additional non dilutive funding that we're working on at the moment that we'll be able to achieve those milestones that we've got planned for this year. Speaker 400:49:13Okay, great. That's it for me. Thank you very much. Speaker 700:49:18Thank you. Operator00:49:20Our next question is from Stephen Rustin with Zacks. Please proceed. Speaker 1000:49:28Good morning or evening. You certainly have a lot of irons in the fire right now, more than I've seen in the past. And despite the progress you've made on your R and D efforts in cancer and sepsis, I'm trying to get a better handle on your 2 developing revenue streams. When I look at the product categories, well, product and service listed and the revenue streams are in the vet and Discover areas. Could you delineate those a little better so I can better model the company? Speaker 700:50:10Kerry? Speaker 900:50:11Yes, sure. So what in terms of our VET revenue, we achieved about $475,000 of vet revenue last year. That was up 194 percent. And that has not yet ramped, but we expect it to start ramping this year as we bring online the 2 new distributors. So we've got Antec and Fujifet, who are both about to launch, both aggressively pricing the test in the market at under $40 both having aggressive plans for marketing and launching of the test. Speaker 900:51:10So looking ahead, I think we'll see a decent ramp starting in Q2 and going into the second half of the year. So on Nu. Q Discover, we did about $300,000 of earned revenue last year. We've also got a very good pipeline building of over $1,000,000 of opportunities. That's a bit more difficult to forecast quarter to quarter because it's very lumpy in nature, because it's a number of projects of different sizes and the timing is from what was to other difficult to estimate. Speaker 900:51:56But I do expect to see strong growth over the next year and for the year as a whole. So I think we can look forward to further strong growth in the Nu. Q Discover project. Did that answer your question? If you have Speaker 1000:52:15I think so. In other words, some of the Discover revenue is well, Discover revenue is classified both under product and service categories? Speaker 900:52:30That's right. It is. So we it's probably slightly more weighted towards the service than the product. Speaker 1000:52:43Is it too early in the process to determine the relative profitability between Discover and Vet? Speaker 900:52:58So both are highly profitable in terms of gross margin. That, I would say, is probably higher, more highly profitable once we get it to scale. And Discover, although highly profitable, there's a service element there. And so that makes it slightly less profitable, but still we have very, very good gross margins on both products. Speaker 1000:53:32Also, is there a corporate model of when to capture your deferred revenue? I know it's a long tail and a very large market and it might be too early to determine that, but you are generating some sales in the vet and therefore some minuscule percentage of the deferred revenue should be coming over through the bottom line, well, being put into the top line to come? Speaker 900:54:01Yes, that's a good point. And I'm glad you brought that up because as you know, we've received $23,000,000 so far in payments related to the license agreement with Heska, now Antec. And that's currently classified as deferred income on the balance sheet. And I do expect that to start earning out this year because it's linked to when the point of care or in house diagnostic test launches with Heska, which is, as we said, is imminent. And so I do expect to start to see some of that burning this year. Speaker 900:54:42But it is a long tail over the lifetime of the agreement, which is 20 years. Speaker 1000:54:52Thank you. Just two comments. I'd like to thank you for those informative webinars on cancer and sepsis. I've listened to them several times. Every time I listen to them, I get more out of it. Speaker 1000:55:04And also that the $2,000,000 cost cutting was not unnoticed. It came all below my expectations with the lower cost. Thank you for your time. Speaker 400:55:18Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:55:21We have reached the end of our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Cameron for closing remarks. Speaker 700:55:29Thank you everyone for attending our call. We really appreciate it. 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There are 11 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to VolitionRx Limited's 4th Quarter and Full Year 2023 Earnings Conference Call. During today's presentation, all parties will be in a listen only mode. Following the presentation, the conference call will be open for questions. This conference call is being recorded today, March 26, 2024. Operator00:00:41I would now like to turn the conference over to Louise Batchelor, Group Chief Marketing and Communications Officer. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:52Thank you, and welcome, everyone, to today's earnings conference call for VolitionRx Limited. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that some of the information discussed on this conference call will include forward looking statements covered under the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are based on our beliefs as well as assumptions we have used based upon information currently available to us. Because these statements reflect our current views concerning future events, these statements involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions. Actual future results may vary significantly based on a number of factors that may cause the actual results or events to be materially different from future results, performance or achievements expressed or implied by these statements. Speaker 100:01:46We have identified various risk factors associated with our operations in our most recent annual report on Form 10 ks, quarterly reports on Form 10 Q and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We do not undertake an obligation to update any forward looking statements made during the course of this call. I am joined today by Mr. Cameron Reynolds, President and Group Chief Executive Officer Mr. Terry Hughes, Group Chief Financial Officer Doctor. Speaker 100:02:19Tom Braterra, Chief Executive Officer of our Volition Veterinary subsidiary and Doctor. Andrew Retter, currently medical consultant to Volition, which has recently announced due to join Volition in the role of Chief Medical Officer in April 2024. During the call, we will cover Volition's financial and operating results for the Q4 and full fiscal year of 2023, along with a discussion of our recent activities and upcoming milestones. Following our prepared remarks, we will open the conference call to a question and answer session. I'll now turn the call over to Cameron Reynolds. Speaker 100:02:56Cameron? Speaker 200:02:57Thanks, Lou, and thank you, everyone, for joining Volition's 4th quarter and full year 2023 earnings call today. We appreciate your time given the busy annual 10 ks filing season. We will commence the call with a financial report from our Group Chief Financial Officer, Terry Hughes, before moving on to a prerecorded update from Doctor. Tom Guatera, Chief Executive Officer of Volition Vet on the rollout of our Nu. Q Vet cancer tests. Speaker 200:03:26And I'm delighted to welcome Doctor. Andy Retta to the call to provide an update on the Nu. Q NETs and CAPTCHA PCR. As was announced last week, Andy will be joining Volition as our Chief Medical Officer beginning April 1. Many of you will have heard from Andy previously, but I'd like to formally share his credentials. Speaker 200:03:46Doctor. Reta is an intensive care consultant at Guy's and St. Thomas' NHS Foundation Trust in London, where he has worked as a consultant since 2014 and leads clinical governance in critical care. He specializes in the management of severe respiratory failure, ECMO and thrombosis. Doctor. Speaker 200:04:07Retter is the only consultant in the UK to hold dual entry on the specialist register in intensive care and in hematology and provides national guidance on the management of complex hematology patients in critical care. He will continue his clinical and research duties at Guy St. Thomas Foundation Trust after joining Volition. Doctor. Reda has worked with Volition in an advisory capacity since January of 2022 To help guide the product development and clinical utility of Nu. Speaker 200:04:36Q NETs, our CE Mark routine blood test to detect disease associated with mitosis, such as sepsis. The whole team are absolutely delighted to be welcoming Andy more formally into Volition. As Chief Medical Officer, he will be vital to our success, ensuring the needs of the patient are placed at the heart of our research, development and commercialization activities. It's great to have you on board, Andy. And I must say, your enthusiasm for our mission and platform really helps us to fully understand the great importance of the work we do. Speaker 200:05:10Following Andy's update, I will wrap up with my thoughts and upcoming milestones and discuss our overall strategy going forward. Without further ado, I'll hand you across to Terry for our financial report. Terry? Speaker 300:05:24Thanks very much, Cameron, and thank you everyone for joining our earnings call today. I'll now provide a summary of the key financial results for the quarter ended December 31 full year 2023. From a revenue perspective, we recorded revenue of $244,000 for the quarter, a 104% increase over the same period last year. For the full year 2023, we recorded revenue $75,000 an increase of 153% over the prior year. We believe that these results demonstrate steady progress, but not yet the ramp in revenues that we anticipate. Speaker 300:06:03We expect revenues to accelerate in 2024 as several additional distributors come online with our Nu. Q Vet cancer test, in particular, HanTek and Fuji Vet who are both about to launch and our Nu. Q Discover pipeline continues to grow. 2023 full year revenue of the Nu. Q Bet cancer test was $475,000 a year on year increase of 194%, mainly reflecting sales of reference kits through our agreement with IDEXX. Speaker 300:06:34Revenue for Nu. Q Discover for 2023 was $300,000 which reflects 107% growth over 2022. Moving on to the balance sheet. We ended the year with cash and cash equivalents of approximately $20,700,000 compared with $10,900,000 at the end of 2022. Net cash generated from operating activities during the Q4 2023 was approximately $6,400,000 and reflected the receipt of $13,000,000 in milestone payments from Heska Corporation in December. Speaker 300:07:11For the full year 2023, net cash used in in operating activities was $18,100,000 compared to $15,300,000 in the prior year. Net loss for Q4 2020 3 was $8,800,000 compared to $7,300,000 for the Q4 2022 and for the full year, dollars 35,700,000 compared to $30,600,000 in 2022. This increase was primarily the result of increased research and development expenditures, mainly reflecting the costs of our U. S. Clinical trials, which added $3,100,000 to the P and L costs in 2023. Speaker 300:07:50To date, various European funding bodies and in particular, Belgian agencies have committed to the company over $21,000,000 in non diluted funding in various forms, including cash grants and loans on favorable terms. In the Q4, our Walloon Institutional Fund and regional government bodies of the Walloon region of Belgium committed additional funding to the company, aggregating approximately $5,500,000 of which approximately 1 half was in the form of a loan. We would like to publicly thank the various government agencies of Belgium for their continued support. We have also initiated efforts with respect to seeking non dilutive funding in the U. S. Speaker 300:08:35Our aim is to fund some of our major programs through either non dilutive or project financing, which we anticipate could be substantial over the next 2 years. As mentioned earlier, at the end of the Q4, we received $13,000,000 in milestone payments from HESTA Corporation, now an Amtech company and part of Mars PetCare, one of the largest pet health companies in the world. And so to recap, we ended the year with cash and cash equivalents of $20,700,000 With that said, I believe that we are well placed to execute the plans the team have in place for 2024. And with that, I will pass over to Doctor. Tom Vaterra, CEO of our Volition Veterinary subsidiary. Speaker 300:09:18Tom? Speaker 400:09:20Thanks very much, Tarek, and good morning, everybody. In 2023, we supplied kits and components for over 58,000 tests, 5 times the number in the prior year. This growth demonstrates solid progress to date and we certainly expect more growth to come as additional companies fully launch our product at home in the United States and around the world. By the end of 2023, the Nu. Q Vet Cancer test was available in the United States, the United Kingdom and Ireland, Portugal, Singapore, Taiwan and Italy. Speaker 400:09:592023 was a breakthrough year for Volition Veterinary gaining such wide distribution and with such respected companies. So kudos to the team and a special thanks to our legal department. We have also learned a great deal, launching and introducing a new product in veterinary medicine, especially early cancer detection in dogs takes a tremendous amount of education to teach veterinarians how to incorporate this early cancer dialogue into their routine wellness visits. Our Nu. Q test also requires an additional cost to the client, which is part of our educational conversation in teaching doctors how to easily make this part of their wellness office visit. Speaker 400:10:44Additionally, we are always emphasizing the affordable cost of our test and encouraging doctors to keep the test at very reasonable margins. The fact is clearly related to the very large number of dogs that they will be screened for early cancer detection. All in all, I believe our Volition team will look back on 2023 as a proud pivotal moment in the burgeoning field of early canine cancer detection, setting the stage to improve and extend the lives of millions of dogs in the months years to come. We have also launched the Nu. Q test with IDEXX, one of the world's leading veterinary diagnostic companies and now Heska, an Antech company and part of VARZ PetCare, another leading veterinary company in completing the exciting tech transfer onto the Heska Element I plus in house diagnostic platform. Speaker 400:11:45More recently, as you will have seen in an announcement just last week, we have signed a supply agreement with Fujifilm Vet Systems for our Nu. Q Vet Cancer Test in Japan. Indeed, I have pre recorded my update for today's call as I am currently over in Japan with our colleagues from Fuji and wow, what an incredible event this last week. We were delighted to be deeply engaged with our Fuji colleagues at their veterinary booth located at the World Veterinary Cancer Congress in Tokyo. This event also provided a significant exposure to numerous veterinary cancer specialists from around the world. Speaker 400:12:29We believe that Japan is a considerable market opportunity for Volition as we seek to expand our Nu. Q Vet cancer test offering in Asia and Fuji is a great partner with us. Fujifilm Vet Systems is Japan's leading veterinary diagnostic laboratory service with a network of 10 laboratories, serving more than 90% of the 12,000 veterinary clinics and hospitals nationwide in Japan. As a reminder, our test is a simple, affordable, easy to use blood screening test that can be easily integrated into preventive care programs and used alongside other routine blood work during regular wellness visits. We had an incredibly busy time at the Fuji booth and have been excited not only to see the response to the test, but also to hear about the exciting marketing plans Fuji has in place to drive the adoption of Nu. Speaker 400:13:29Q. Heather also had the privilege of presenting a poster about the Nu. Q Vet Cancer Test at the Congress. It's been a busy few days and we look forward to working alongside Fujifilm Vet Systems as they roll out our test countrywide across their extensive diagnostic laboratory network. We are also incredibly excited that the Nu. Speaker 400:13:53Q Vet cancer test will soon be available as an in house diagnostic via Heska, an Antech company. We understand preorders are currently being processed and the tests will be rolled out fully at their upcoming national sales meeting at the end of this month. Soon veterinarians will have accurate in hospital, fast test results in under 8 minutes, so they can discuss findings with pet owners and hopefully develop an action plan before the patient even goes home. Antec is initially pricing the test at $35 to the veterinarian and we really believe that the relatively low cost combined with the effectiveness of our test will help drive adoption of the test not only as a screening test, but also in time as an important monitoring tool for disease progression and remission. So to quote Cameron, very exciting times indeed. Speaker 400:14:54That's a quick update for me given our packed agenda today. I will now with absolute great pleasure hand over to our incoming Chief Medical Officer, Doctor. Andrew Reeder. Andy is a fabulous addition to our leadership team. Andy, over to you for an update on Nu. Speaker 400:15:10Q Net. Speaker 500:15:11Thank you very much for those kind words, Tom, and good morning, everybody. I'd just like to take a moment to start by thanking Cameron Jacob and the Board of Directors for working with me and inviting me to join the Volition team at such an important time. I've really enjoyed working with Volition for the last 2 years, and I'm really excited about leaning into and contributing to delivery of our mission and purpose in the years to come. We really hope to have an impact to improve the lives and quality of lives of millions of people worldwide. I'd like to update you this morning on some of the significant progress we've made for Nu. Speaker 500:15:45Q. NETs and our new breakthrough cancer detection method, which we now call CAPTCHA PCR. So first, starting with Nu. Q NETs and sepsis. Sepsis, as you've heard me say before, is one of the leading of causes of death worldwide with almost 50,000,000 cases annually and around 11,000,000 deaths. Speaker 500:16:06Felician has made significant progress trying to address these issues in 2023, and I'd just like to recap a few highlights. In September, Volition hosted a key opinion leader roundtable event in Athens, Greece. The workshop held over the course of 2 days focused exclusively on sepsis and the potential role of Nu. Q NETs. It's attended by some of the world's leading experts. Speaker 500:16:28Many of the attendees are operating under the umbrella of our Center of Excellence program with Nu. Q NET and have firsthand experience using AssayNow. And the sense from the group was that Nu. Q NET potentially represents one of the biggest breakthroughs in the diagnosis and monitoring of sepsis in the last 30 years. We're moving forward with this group and are now working on a review article with the intention to submit it for peer review and publication in a journal towards the end of the year. Speaker 500:16:57Continuing in the theme of publications, shortly after our Canadian Opinion Leader event and subsequent quarter end in October, the first clinical paper from our clinical excellence group was published. Professor Guillermo Monterrey's team in Lyon published data demonstrating the correlation of the Nu. Q. Net level and sepsis. There's a clear mortality signal. Speaker 500:17:20What does that mean? The higher patients' Nu. Q. Net level, unfortunately, the more likely they are to die. We've also seen in a longitudinal fashion, that the Nu. Speaker 500:17:29Q. Net level tracks very well with the severity of the patient's illness. We've been using something called the SOFA score, the sequential organ failure assessment score to calibrate and check EQ net levels. It's brilliant that we've got the first paper out, and I'm really looking forward to publishing and sharing with you more data from our centers of excellence as we go through 2024 2025. Over in the U. Speaker 500:17:56S, I'm pleased to report that Volition completed the Q sub process with the U. S. Food and Drug confirm that my own hospital, Guy's and St. Thomas's, has started using Nu. Q. Speaker 500:18:15NETs in our first study. In a similar theme, we are trying to identify and track patients and monitor the severity of sepsis. This is a large study. We're aiming to enroll around 500 patients and compare patients with sepsis to healthy patients undergoing cardiac surgery. This should give us really good data try and split the patients apart and understand differences between them. Speaker 500:18:38For those that might have missed the recent Edison webinar on sepsis or indeed their thematic report, I wanted to highlight a couple of ongoing studies, which we hope will continue to reinforce and strengthen our clinical utility case. We have ongoing analysis of 2 large retrospective sepsis cohorts in Europe. The first is with the German sepsis group, and the second is with the team at UMC Amsterdam. In total, these studies will examine the outcome and trajectory of over 2,500 patients with sepsis. They involve the processing of over 8,000 Nu. Speaker 500:19:13Q net samples. It's an unbelievably rich data source for us. And we're really excited about this data. We're really excited about presenting it and submitting it for publication by the end of 2024. These studies will be a rich source of insight using Nu. Speaker 500:19:29Q. NET on a really large scale and should enable us to sharpen and improve it as we move forward to, again, bringing into the clinical arena. Our project with key opinion leader, Professor Dejali Enan in France is progressing really well. Dejali is involved in the consortium project with an ongoing prospective study of which Volition is a member. Again, it's longitude in nature and large scale and is aiming to recruit 1500 patients. Speaker 500:19:58We've also extended our study with docro in the U. S. We have refocused this study to concentrate on the sickest patients in admitted from the emergency room rather than simply including intensive care patients. This is expanding the population of patients in which we're using Nu. Q and that's really exciting. Speaker 500:20:18We hope to close out the study by the end of the second quarter, and we'll share the results as soon as we can. We're confident that we will have significantly strengthened our data within the confidential data room to support ongoing commercial discussions by the middle of the year. From a publication perspective, all eyes and our focus will be on the European Society of Intensive Care meeting in October later this year. We anticipate a number of the studies I've just mentioned will report at ESRCM. We're also really proud to be sponsoring our 1st satellite symposium session at the Congress. Speaker 500:20:55More details will follow, but it's going to be a really busy year ahead for Nuquenets and sepsis. I'd now like to take just a few minutes to discuss Volition's potentially breakthrough cancer detection method, which we first presented at the European Society of Medical Oncology Congress in 2023. Cancer, as we all know, affects the lives of millions around the world each year. Unfortunately, the number of new cases of cancer diagnosed each year is continuing to grow. Like many diseases, early diagnosis when the cancer is smaller and hasn't spread leads to a better outcome for patients. Speaker 500:21:36That's less surgery, less chemotherapy and just needs to better and improved outcomes. Sadly, cancer is often a silent disease. It's asymptomatic and people don't realize they have it until really quite late. In the U. K, we're a perfect example about that, where around 45% in cancers are diagnosed at the later stages, Stage III and Stage IV. Speaker 500:22:03Our test focuses around detecting circulating tumor DNA, ctDNA. Detecting ctDNA is really difficult because the levels of DNA in blood are relatively low and circulating tumor DNA compromises only about 0.01% of the circulating cell free DNA. While the challenge is compounded as most of the tachytencantherDNA looks almost identical or is indeed exactly the same as normal DNA, Volition has developed a novel method of liquid biopsy involving the first reported physical isolation of tumor derived DNA fragments from blood. The cancer derived circulating tumor DNA fragments are then extracted after removal of all normal background DNA. And then they are sequenced using a low cost PCR test. Speaker 500:22:59We're calling this technique CAPTCHA PCR. Volition's proof of concept data was presented at ESMO 2023, demonstrating the isolation of tumor derived ctDNA fragments from plasma. Volition tested the new method in a small clinical experiment and detected a range of liquid and solid organ cancers, including early stage disease, stage 1 disease. These early assays were developed from our initial leukemias model, but to our surprise, we were also able to detect many other cancers. In particular, we were able to detect colorectal cancer. Speaker 500:23:36We're really excited about the potential for CAPTCHA PCR going forward. My colleague, Doctor. Jake McAllath and team have presented at a number of cancer specific conferences such as prostate cancer and liver cancer conferences. They have been sharing their data with important key opinion leaders and we've received really valuable feedback and positive feedback as we go forward. The team have also continued to identify other potential markers and other potential targets associated with the PCR test, and we very much look forward to sharing this data, in particular, in solid organ cancers throughout this year and beyond. Speaker 500:24:13Last, but by certainly no means least, Jake is working hard on completing the manuscript to submit this breakthrough method for peer review and publication. This is going to be an incredibly important paper and is intrinsically aligned with Volition's core ethos and purpose of bringing a low cost diagnostic test to millions of people around the world. Understandably, there will be ongoing commercial discussions throughout the year. Enjoying to a close, and so I can hand back over to Cameron, I'd just like take a moment, and I hope it's come across from me talking here, to express how personally excited I am to be joining the company. I really believe in Volition's ethos and purpose, and I'll hand you back to Cameron for his closing remarks. Speaker 500:24:56Thank you ever so much. Speaker 200:24:57Thanks very much, Andy, for providing those insights and thanks as always to Terry and Tom for their reports. It is a real sign of the varied expertise we now have at Volition. 2023 was certainly transformational for Volition and a year we can look back on with pride. The commercialization of our transformational Nu. Q Vet Cancer Test within the companion animal healthcare sector has led to agreements with several new global and regional partners, including last week with Fujifilm Vet Systems, Japan's leading veterinary diagnostic service provider and looking just around the corner, the Nu. Speaker 200:25:34Q Vet cancer test will soon be available as an in house diagnostic test through HESCA, an Antech company. We strongly suspect we will see very good revenue growth from Nu. Q Vet through 2024 and beyond. I'm also absolutely delighted in the progress made in our Nu. Q NET pillar and in particular in determining our regulatory pathway forward with the U. Speaker 200:25:56S. FDA, a key milestone for the company and in having a number of large scale clinical studies due for publication later this year. Thirdly, and as we always seem to run low on time, I won't cover too much, but I would like to quickly mention Nu. Q Discover, which recorded revenue of $300,000 in 2023 and now as a pipeline of projects valued at over $1,000,000 As a reminder, Nu. Q Discover is a complete solution to profiling nucleosomes, drug developers and scientists can work with us, access our state of the art proprietary assays and realize their long term drug development needs. Speaker 200:26:38In this way, Nu. Q Discover is able to unlock value from Volition's IP portfolio by helping us commercialize the areas we are not going to focus on ourselves. As I mentioned, revenue in 2023 was $300,000 and we expect it to more than double in 2024 and be as profitable as early as 2025. And finally, I'm absolutely also delighted with our potential breakthrough CTCF cancer detection method, CAPTURE PCR, which we had a poster in the Q4 at ESMO. We believe this is a true breakthrough moment. Speaker 200:27:14The first reported physical isolation of a class of tumor derived cell free DNA fragments from blood. We expect that this method obviates expensive and time consuming DNA sequencing and bioinformatics, allowing for a rapid cost effective detection in a routine blood test. This method could become a must have technology given its significance, we are very much open to licensing this technology. We have been tremendously encouraged by the level of interest thus far. It has been and will continue to be a busy few months ahead of discussions and negotiations, not only now on capture PCR, but as we build out the data room for Nu. Speaker 200:27:55Q nets through the Q2 of this year, we anticipate more active discussions on that front as well. It is an exciting time for us as a company and we look forward to sharing further updates and milestones with you over the coming quarters as we continue to adapt such changing times and conditions to deliver on what we believe to be revolutionary technologies. Given the current macroeconomic conditions, we are focusing on getting each pillar to support itself either through product revenues, milestone payments, out licensing or other non dilutive funding in the coming year. We are making every attempt to ensure as little dilution as possible to reach breakeven as a company with a mix of non dilutive funding, revenue and milestone payments from our licensing as we have achieved in vet. As we've described before, we are currently targeting the following. Speaker 200:28:50Firstly, we expect Nu. Q Vet to be overall cash positive from existing milestone payments and the expected revenue ramp as more partners launch and existing partners expand into new territories. We're also working on a range of new products to drive revenue growth and hopefully new out licensing and milestone payments in future years from Veth. Secondly, we expect Nu. Q Discover to more than double revenue in 2024 and to become profitable as a unit starting in 2025 with over $1,000,000 in the current pipeline and growing strongly. Speaker 200:29:23Thirdly, we have begun a strategy to fund, as Terec alluded to earlier, our Nu. Q nets pillar through non dilutive and or project funding with an aim of $25,000,000 We have targeted a range of governmental agencies and are also preparing the background work aimed at attracting a large player to either out license or invest in this product directly. We have made strong progress through the Q1 of 2024 in getting the data required and our aim is to get the 1st payments in the next 12 months from either corporate or governmental sources. Lastly, as discussed by Gail Fortier, our Chief Commercialization Officer in our recent webinar, there has been a lot of external interest in our CTCF and Nu. Q cancer technologies. Speaker 200:30:12Our strategy is to license this out to 1 or more large companies as a commercial undertaking of this size is likely beyond our current capabilities. If successful, we believe this strategy could provide us with ongoing royalties and very meaningful milestone payments in the next 12 months. And drawing to a close, I would like to thank you all for joining the call today. We very much appreciate it, given how much there is to digest across all of our pillars. We are now happy to answer questions. Speaker 200:30:42Operator? Operator00:30:45Thank Our first question is from Tim Moore with EFS. Please proceed. Speaker 600:31:11Thank you. And that was very informative prepared remarks. It was nice to hear that there's a lot of different levers being pulled and good optionality. Speaker 700:31:20Thank you. Speaker 600:31:21Sure. Maybe I just want to start out with IDEXX. You mentioned there were revenues, it sounds like the end of the year that started to come through. I'm just kind of wondering if you can talk a little bit about, it seems like they finally finished kind of getting their standard operating procedures and best practices in place for the marketing launch? And if you can remind me, is it something like $10 per kit you're getting on those because you're assembling the full kit and shipping them? Speaker 700:31:46Yes, yes, it is. That's correct. So yes, IDEX have been great partners for the last year and a half. And I think that put a we're putting a lot of work into really try to get the sales growing. So I think it's I think there's absolutely huge need for the test worldwide. Speaker 700:32:05And certainly to get to where we need to get to, there's had to be some education of the customers. It's a completely disruptive technology. So when it comes into the market, it's obviously a whole new thing for the vets as well as for the company. And so we've been working closely with them to really get sales moving. And I think as it was mentioned several times, so 58,000 tests this last year sold. Speaker 700:32:32So we sold the components for. So it's getting adoption. And obviously, it's a very disruptive test. And I think also when the new platform comes through, which is actually starting on the first of next month, Having it available in the lab as well as a point of care, I think will be absolutely huge to getting adoption out there. I think the more groups out there selling it whether that's IDEX or Heska or Fuji, it really helps to generate awareness and education and getting vets used to a disruptive new technology. Speaker 700:33:07As we discussed, there's been nothing available in the cancer space before. So yes, and then Ozurdest is correct. Speaker 600:33:16Great. Well, thanks for that really good Japan Fujifilm Vet Systems update. That was terrific news. And actually, the question about feline tests. You think that's still maybe on track to launch maybe late this year? Speaker 600:33:28And when would you think you would receive the $5,000,000 milestone payment timing? Speaker 700:33:34Yes, good question. And the first point, Fuji have done a huge amount of work before the launch. They're very organized. They're the biggest vet company in Japan. There's 60,000 vets in Japan and 12,000 vet hospitals. Speaker 700:33:48I didn't realize it was that big a market. It's obviously a large country and quite a rich country. So as you probably heard from Tom and the team, the enthusiasm from the vet commerce there has been very large. So it's extremely good to keep enthusiasm coming through and have a good new market. Yes. Speaker 700:34:07So the feline side, we've been doing some work on as with a range of other products looking to launch in the vet space. We're looking to get it working in CAT 5th year. So it's certainly possible this year or in the first half of next year that payment will be made. As we talked about an overall part of our strategy is to get as much funding as we can from non dilutive milestones and that would be the last of the payments due to us from Heska, the $23,000,000 we've got so far plus this $5,000,000 So yes, it's definitely still in process and it's a reasonable thing to still have on the books. Speaker 600:34:45Great, great. My last set of questions is tied to sepsis. I mean, such a huge catalyst, gigantic market, number 1 killer in the hospitals. You have talked before about the traditional, the 510 regulatory pathway. And if you can remind me, you're trying to demonstrate substantially equivalent performance and characteristics of a device already at the FDA cleared in the U. Speaker 600:35:07S, right? Can you kind of walk us through that? And I know it's theoretical, but what is the timeline? I get a lot of questions from investors about when do you think if it does work out and you get approved, when do you think you can maybe start achieving revenues on the sepsis side? Speaker 700:35:24Yes, very good question. So there's obviously, it's a product which has shown tremendous promise as you said. And the 2 things we've proven so far, what publications have shown, that's closely correlated with intensive care mortality and so for school, which is obviously both of which is incredibly important. As we talked about sorry, I'm going to I called at the moment. There's a range of studies we're doing now, which will put a mountain of data, an avalanche of data coming out in thousands and thousands of patients and tens of thousands of samples beginning this month and all the way through the rest of the year with a big crescendo kind of in June. Speaker 700:36:03They're looking to show correlation with the sepsis III score, which sepsis is now defined as a dysregulated immune response, which is exactly what we measure. So it's actually obviously incredibly useful. Disease severity, correlation with 28 day mortality, the duration of organ support and the length of stay in hospital. So all of those are incredibly important to the clinician, which I think is why Andy and all the other clinicians we've been working with are so keen on them. With regards to the exact 510 ks path, probably best get it from Andy. Speaker 700:36:36He was the key person in those trials. I don't want to make a mistake on that. There are quite a few predicates products, none of which measure what we measure, but there are products which have the ability to do some of this. That's why we were very lucky to get the 510 passed and I'm sure he can outline. I think he might be available on some later calls to go through the predicates as they were discussed. Speaker 700:37:00But no, it's something we're incredibly excited about. And I think it's if it continues to go well and every bit of day we've seen so far has been outstanding. And because the test is low cost, it can be run on any platform, it can be a bedside test, it can be a lab test, it can be a lateral flow test. And doing it through a 510 which is as you know is the easier path through the FDA is very important. Now as to timing, obviously we're doing everything we can to preserve cash. Speaker 700:37:30So we're working with large governmental agencies to see if they can take a large part of the funding in the U. S. As well as Europe. We're also getting the data ready so that we can get industry partners involved. So I said that's coming to a head in June when we'll start open up a data room to look to get as much funded as possible from outside sources. Speaker 700:37:54Obvious reasons, the market is what it is at the moment. So we're doing everything we can not to spend money. And after that, product would be at least a couple of years. But don't forget, our model has always been to make as much money as we can from licensing and upfront milestone payments. In the last 2 years, we've got £23,000,000 just from Heska alone, which is obviously very, very meaningful in what we do. Speaker 700:38:17So I wouldn't just think of it revenue, which is obviously a few years away, but as we have invest getting large chunks of money in the meantime from large industry partners and or government agencies. And I think there's certainly our aim and I think it's a very reasonable chance that we'll get some licensing or milestone revenues from either or both transcription factors and the sepsis side in the next 12 months. And if you look at the level of payments we've got in the vet side, it's a very important test in the vet. But I think the Nu. Q. Speaker 700:38:49Net test is a whole level of importance for humanity. So we'd be expecting some very significant payments in that sort of timescale. Does that answer your question? Speaker 600:38:59It does, it does. It's terrific color and granularity. And I have one last little related topic question. You've kind of already addressed this. There could be potential for project financing. Speaker 600:39:08You can come from the corporate route, government, full milestones. One question I get from investors a lot was, as things go well on the vet side and maybe that becomes positive free cash flow and self funding 2 years from now, hopefully, would you consider divesting the vet side or spending it out to maybe cash flow fund the human sepsis trials? Speaker 700:39:31Yes, absolutely. So obviously, at the moment, it is actually not from revenue because you've seen what that is, but from the milestone payments and the other payments we're getting, it's actually cash flow positive at the moment from all those other payments. Dollars 23,000,000 obviously has been a lot from those side. Yes, we would absolutely look to corporatize and then have it run as a separate entity, because this is just the very first test on what should be a very long pathway of products we can launch in the pet space. We mentioned feline as well. Speaker 700:40:01Obviously, sepsis happens in dogs and every other animal as it does in humans. And also the human transcription factor work, We have every reason to believe it would work in animals just as well as humans and then all the other animals. So I think going forward, our business model has been very much to develop the technology and then prove it works, get a product launch like we have in vet, like we're about to in Natosis and then make revenue from licensing it out. But I think the final step on that path would be to make it to divest itself. I think that's something which could well happen in the next couple of years. Speaker 700:40:39And actually there's obviously been some interest from other groups. We're the only cancer detection company out there at the moment, which has a product in the market. So I think it's going to be a very attractive one. But we want to get that value curve kind of pushed up the curve by predicting felines and or sepsis and or transcription factors in the next 12 months. So it's probably a 2 year target for that. Speaker 600:41:04That's terrific. And thanks so much. And that's it for my questions. Speaker 700:41:07Thank you. Thanks for your time, Jim. Operator00:41:10Our next question is from Ilya Zavkov with Freedom Broker. Please proceed. Speaker 800:41:18Good morning and congrats for the progress in Q4. I Speaker 700:41:23have a Speaker 800:41:24question on oncology test. Talking about CAPTCHA PCR technology, what types of cancer are currently considered as the most promising for detection according to studies and your expectation? Speaker 700:41:39That's a very good question. So transcription factors are actually indicative of all types of cancer because they are it's an epigenetic signal, which is in all the cancers. So we've done some work in a varied range of cancers including lung and colorectal and the blood cancers. And initially we'll focus on the larger cancers, the more prevalent ones, particularly of course like we have in the past in London and colorectal and the blood cancers because that's where we did the first work. But it certainly holds the promise of it's definitely going to be low cost, very easy to run as easy to run as a COVID test in blood. Speaker 700:42:20But certainly potential for every single type of cancer. But you would probably not develop the test for every single type of cancer. You'd probably develop the top 5 or 7 types, which between them accounts for the vast majority of cancer cases. Speaker 800:42:39Thank you. That's helpful. And one more from me. The cancer test has demonstrated strong sensitivity in leukemia detection. And I'm wondering, has any progress been made in its diagnostic performance for detection of solid tumors since October last year? Speaker 800:42:56And do you see the opportunity for such improvement? Speaker 700:43:00Do you mean the solid tumors with Captured BCR? Speaker 900:43:04Yes. Speaker 700:43:06Yes. We've done a lot of work. The first thing we've been doing is been optimizing the process to make it as quick as easy as possible and on discovery on a wide range of different targets. So yes, we'll be making progress. I think Andy alluded to a paper that's in process of being published and also to make the process as quickly up. Speaker 700:43:29The process we announced was a prototype. We've been developing as much as we can to make it quicker, easier and cheaper and also on a broad range of solid tumors as well as the liquid tumor. And yes, we're making very good progress and we're aiming to publish in the next few or submit it soon in the next few months and also work heavily on out licensing. We've discussed several times on public calls that we think it's a complete breakthrough. And if we continue to show selection or concentration of tumor derived DNA, it's going to have to be a must have for anyone in the liquid biopsy business. Speaker 700:44:07So we've been very pleasantly surprised with the level of excitement and a bit of interest from a range of different groups and those active discussions are going on as well. And we'd expect to have some news on that in the coming months quarters as well, because again we want to license it out and get upfront payments as well as a share of the upside going forward. So expect to keep an eye on all of that in the next few months and next few quarters. Operator00:44:32Yes. And Cam, if I can just add Speaker 100:44:36this is, Lou Vachsley here. If I can just add, we've also presented a number of conferences this year, cancer specific conferences. So we've been at prostate cancer conference, liver cancer conference and then just this last weekend, a lung cancer conference with cancer specific posters with the CTCF and capture PCR technology. And we've then got breast and CRC to come in this Q2. So there has been some additional data presented and then we've got some stuff, as Cameron says, further down the line with the Generation 2. Operator00:45:23Our next question is from Bruce Jackson with The Benchmark Company. Please proceed. Speaker 400:45:29Hi, good morning and thanks for taking my questions. Speaker 700:45:32Hi, Bruce. Speaker 400:45:34So, my first question is for Andrew with the 500 patient study that you've just initiated. Could that be ready in time for the conference in October? I'm Speaker 700:45:47sorry, Andy is actually not right at your question at the moment. He's in clinic. Operator00:45:53No, He's just been pulled into clinic. Speaker 100:45:58The full study won't have been finished, Bruce, by October of this year, but we are hoping that we might potentially have some interim analysis available. But we will have the results from several large scale studies that will be presented at the October conference. So the UMC Amsterdam study and also the German sepsis group study will be presented in October. But potentially, there might just be an interim analysis of epithetis. Speaker 700:46:30Here's one is the perspective, Bruce. So the retrospective ones, UMC Amsterdam and the German study will be presented, we believe, but not the perspective that will be a bit slower, of course. Speaker 400:46:45Okay. And then a question on the burn rate. Is it going to stay where it was last year roughly? How is that going to develop over the course of this year in 2025? Speaker 900:46:58Derek? Yes. Good question. Hi, Bruce. So as we mentioned just now, we ended the year with cash of about $20,700,000 in the bank. Speaker 900:47:14And we used net cash in operating activities last year of 18 point $1,000,000 So that was partly offset or rather our costs were partly offset by the $13,000,000 that we received in licensing fees last year. And what we can expect is that our cost this year will be slightly lower than they were last year. And that's partly a result of the cost saving actions that we took at the back end of last year, saving a little over $2,000,000 on a full year basis. And our focus this year is on achieving our next licensing deals in the human space, as Cameron mentioned. So we've also initiated efforts with respect to seeking non dilutive funding in the U. Speaker 900:48:16S. And again, as Cameron mentioned, we're looking at getting each leg to support itself. What we're focusing on is bringing in those licensing deals so that we can achieve upfront payments and milestone payments. And we do expect to make good progress on those by the end of the year. I would expect that we've achieved 1 or more licensing deals by the end of the year. Speaker 900:48:52And so I'm pretty confident with the resources that we've got available to us with some additional non dilutive funding that we're working on at the moment that we'll be able to achieve those milestones that we've got planned for this year. Speaker 400:49:13Okay, great. That's it for me. Thank you very much. Speaker 700:49:18Thank you. Operator00:49:20Our next question is from Stephen Rustin with Zacks. Please proceed. Speaker 1000:49:28Good morning or evening. You certainly have a lot of irons in the fire right now, more than I've seen in the past. And despite the progress you've made on your R and D efforts in cancer and sepsis, I'm trying to get a better handle on your 2 developing revenue streams. When I look at the product categories, well, product and service listed and the revenue streams are in the vet and Discover areas. Could you delineate those a little better so I can better model the company? Speaker 700:50:10Kerry? Speaker 900:50:11Yes, sure. So what in terms of our VET revenue, we achieved about $475,000 of vet revenue last year. That was up 194 percent. And that has not yet ramped, but we expect it to start ramping this year as we bring online the 2 new distributors. So we've got Antec and Fujifet, who are both about to launch, both aggressively pricing the test in the market at under $40 both having aggressive plans for marketing and launching of the test. Speaker 900:51:10So looking ahead, I think we'll see a decent ramp starting in Q2 and going into the second half of the year. So on Nu. Q Discover, we did about $300,000 of earned revenue last year. We've also got a very good pipeline building of over $1,000,000 of opportunities. That's a bit more difficult to forecast quarter to quarter because it's very lumpy in nature, because it's a number of projects of different sizes and the timing is from what was to other difficult to estimate. Speaker 900:51:56But I do expect to see strong growth over the next year and for the year as a whole. So I think we can look forward to further strong growth in the Nu. Q Discover project. Did that answer your question? If you have Speaker 1000:52:15I think so. In other words, some of the Discover revenue is well, Discover revenue is classified both under product and service categories? Speaker 900:52:30That's right. It is. So we it's probably slightly more weighted towards the service than the product. Speaker 1000:52:43Is it too early in the process to determine the relative profitability between Discover and Vet? Speaker 900:52:58So both are highly profitable in terms of gross margin. That, I would say, is probably higher, more highly profitable once we get it to scale. And Discover, although highly profitable, there's a service element there. And so that makes it slightly less profitable, but still we have very, very good gross margins on both products. Speaker 1000:53:32Also, is there a corporate model of when to capture your deferred revenue? I know it's a long tail and a very large market and it might be too early to determine that, but you are generating some sales in the vet and therefore some minuscule percentage of the deferred revenue should be coming over through the bottom line, well, being put into the top line to come? Speaker 900:54:01Yes, that's a good point. And I'm glad you brought that up because as you know, we've received $23,000,000 so far in payments related to the license agreement with Heska, now Antec. And that's currently classified as deferred income on the balance sheet. And I do expect that to start earning out this year because it's linked to when the point of care or in house diagnostic test launches with Heska, which is, as we said, is imminent. And so I do expect to start to see some of that burning this year. Speaker 900:54:42But it is a long tail over the lifetime of the agreement, which is 20 years. Speaker 1000:54:52Thank you. Just two comments. I'd like to thank you for those informative webinars on cancer and sepsis. I've listened to them several times. Every time I listen to them, I get more out of it. Speaker 1000:55:04And also that the $2,000,000 cost cutting was not unnoticed. It came all below my expectations with the lower cost. Thank you for your time. Speaker 400:55:18Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:55:21We have reached the end of our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Cameron for closing remarks. Speaker 700:55:29Thank you everyone for attending our call. We really appreciate it. And we look forward to updating you with all the developments that we've outlined over the next few months and on the Q1 earnings call, which is of course due in mid May. So thank you very much and have a great day. Thank you. Operator00:55:49Thank you. This will conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time and thank you for your participation. Thank you very much, Sherry.Read morePowered by