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Earnings HistoryForecast Finance of America Companies EPS ResultsActual EPS-$1.00Consensus EPS -$0.90Beat/MissMissed by -$0.10One Year Ago EPSN/AFinance of America Companies Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$275.73 millionExpected Revenue$62.00 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$213.73 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AFinance of America Companies Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2023Date3/6/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateWednesday, March 6, 2024Conference Call Time5:00PM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Finance of America Companies Q4 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMarch 6, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Desiree, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Finance of America 4th Quarter and Full Year 2023 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:28I would now like to turn the conference over to Michael Fantz, Senior Vice President of Finance. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:40Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to Finance of America's 4th quarter and full year 2020 3 earnings call. With me today are Graham Fleming, Chief Executive Officer Kristen Seifert, President and Matt Engel, Chief Financial Officer. As a reminder, this call is being recorded, and you can find the earnings release and presentation on our Investor Relations website at www.financeofamerica dotcom. In addition, we will refer to certain non GAAP financial measures on this call. To the extent available without unreasonable efforts, you can find reconciliations of non GAAP to GAAP financial measures discussed on today's call in our earnings press release on the Investor Relations page of our website. Speaker 100:01:24Also, I would like to remind everyone that comments on this conference call may be forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 regarding the company's expected operating and financial performance for future periods. These statements are based on the company's current expectations and are subject to the Safe Harbor statement for forward looking statements that you will find in today's earnings release. Actual results for future periods may differ materially from those expressed or implied by these forward looking statements due to a number of risks or other factors, including those that are described in the Risk Factors section of Finance of America's annual report on Form 10 ks for the year ended December 31, 20 22 filed with the SEC on March 16, 2023. As such, risk factors may be amended and updated in our subsequent filings with the SEC. We are not undertaking any commitment to update these statements if conditions change. Speaker 100:02:21Please note, today we will be discussing interim period financials that are unaudited. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Finance of America's Chief Executive Officer, Graeme Fleming. Graham? Speaker 200:02:33Yes. Thank you, Michael. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us. To begin, I would like to review our results as well as the broader macro trends we are seeing in the industry. I will then turn things over to Christen to share our strategic plan, followed by a review of our financials from our Chief Financial Officer, Matt Engel. Speaker 200:02:50Overall, 2023 was a transformational period for Finance and Merck. Throughout the year, we completed a series of strategic transactions that helped establish the company as the preeminent platform for homeowners 55 and older seeking to benefit from their home equity. With most of these efforts now behind us, we are excited to move forward. As a business, we are firmly positioned as the leading provider of modern retirement solutions with the potential to reach tens of millions of customers nationwide. For additional information, we have included a presentation on our Investor Relations website that addresses the potential total addressable market and our view of the investment opportunity. Speaker 200:03:31Finance of America is making home equity part of a mainstream modern retirement plan so that more Americans can benefit from the wealth in their home and have better outcomes later in life. With respect to our continuing operations, we recorded GAAP net income of $171,000,000 or $0.72 per basic share in the 4th quarter. These results were driven primarily by fair value gains recognized in our portfolio of assets given decreases in market rates in the quarter and improved results from operations, which we will discuss shortly. On an adjusted basis, in the 4th quarter, we recognized a net loss of $20,000,000 or $0.09 per fully diluted share, an improvement over the Q3 of 20%. Beginning in Retirement Solutions, as expected volumes decreased in the quarter due to seasonality, but improved margins and reduced expenses led to a 67% improvement in adjusted net loss for the quarter. Speaker 200:04:28In portfolio management, market volatility had a significant impact on quarterly results. In the Q4, decreases across the yield curve brought about significant increases in fair value of our portfolio of assets. Over the course of the year, the net balance increased by $24,000,000 Having established a solid foundation from which to grow, we are excited for what lies ahead. We continue to look at avenues to expand our product suite, enhance the customer experience and drive conversion. These include identifying ways to utilize AI. Speaker 200:05:03We have selected key AI partners and are excited to leverage these tools across sales, operations, marketing and data analytics. Additionally, we remain focused on managing expenses and strengthening our balance sheet for the long term. Let me now turn things over to Kristin for an update on our operations, the integration of the AAG Retail platform and the work we've been doing to enhance our products and sales channels. Speaker 300:05:28Christa? Good afternoon. As Graham mentioned, our vision is to make home equity an essential part of a modern mainstream retirement plan. We've designed a 3 year strategic plan that we believe will enable us to achieve this goal while also helping us provide the most value to those we serve including our shareholders. A key factor for advancing that plan was moving to one loan origination platform, which was the last major milestone related to the integration of the AAG Retail platform. Speaker 300:05:58This was launched in late December as planned and the beginning of this year will be devoted to improving the efficiencies of that platform and ensuring we have strong workflows to support the originations engine and the planned growth. With much of the foundational work close to being completed, it paves the way for a shift of attention to the growth levers in the plan. We think Finance of America's modern retirement platform will create long term growth at scale and we have a few main reasons for this confidence. The first is that we see a significant addressable market, which we believe we're well positioned to capture as the category grows. Reverse mortgages are utilized by approximately 2% of the total addressable market. Speaker 300:06:41As the industry's leading retail and wholesale originator, Finance of America has close to 40% market share of this activity. We have our eyes fixed on driving market penetration over the long term, so that as the total pie grows, we will have the ability to meaningfully increase our reach and impact as well. When you consider the nearly $3,700,000,000,000 retirement savings gap and the record number of seniors who are financially unprepared for retirement using traditional vehicles alone, a solution must emerge. The obvious one is to incorporate the $13,000,000,000,000 in home equity held by seniors. The second reason for confidence is the power of our distribution platform and its connection to product innovation. Speaker 300:07:27Through our direct to consumer channel, we reach more than 20,000,000 consumers annually via our marketing and advertising and our reach grows tremendously when you consider the large traditional mortgage lenders who utilize our suite of products with their clientele through our industry leading wholesale channel. We've long been pioneers in our industry in creating non agency products that fill gaps for customers and our most recent innovation was a no payment second lien home equity loan that we launched in 2023. During the Q4, we saw significant growth in non agency volume, funding 50% more proprietary production in Q4 than during Q3, further helping our customers thrive. While new loan products can provide solutions for a broader set of customers, we also recognize there's a significant gap as it relates to customer understanding and appeal of reverse mortgage products and the category overall. Our third reason for confidence is that we now have the components to change this. Speaker 300:08:27Within our 3 year plan, we're committed to breaking this adoption barrier by investing in modernized messaging, digital technology and tailored customer centric experiences. These experiences are essential in unlocking the massive market opportunity that exists and providing our customers and partners the service and experience they deserve and expect. In all, we have a strong rationale for our approach and optimism around our strategic plan given our dominant position within the industry. We have a clear vision, a strong team and a proven track record of delivering results. We are confident we'll continue to see growth and strong operational performance within the business as we execute against our long term vision and we look forward to sharing continuous indicators of progress with you each quarter. Speaker 300:09:13Now, let me turn things over to our CFO, Matt Engel. Speaker 400:09:18Thank you, Kristen, and good afternoon, everyone. I'm excited to have joined the Finance of America team. We have a compelling story to tell and are at an exciting inflection point in the business. I look forward to speaking with and meeting many of you over the coming months. With that, let me start with a brief overview of our financial results before I dive into specifics on the quarter. Speaker 400:09:39Within our continuing operations, we recognized GAAP net income of $171,000,000 or $0.72 per basic share. Turning to the operating results, the company recognized an adjusted net loss of 20,000,000 dollars for the quarter or $0.09 per fully diluted share, an improvement of 20% from the 3rd quarter. In our reverse platform, volumes decreased in the 4th quarter due to seasonality. Additionally, as Kristen mentioned, we began the consolidation of our loan origination system during the quarter, further impacting retail production. We originated $436,000,000 in loan volumes, down 7% from the $470,000,000 in the 3rd quarter. Speaker 400:10:19For the full year, we originated $1,600,000,000 in funded loan volume. While volumes were down compared to the prior year, maintaining industry's leading retail and leading wholesale platforms allowed Finance of America to control a 37% share of the HECM reverse market and a significant portion of the non agency market. Retirement Solutions 4th quarter revenue margin was 9.2%, an improvement of nearly 18% from the prior quarter. This is even more stark when looking at the monthly margins during the quarter. During October when market rates reached their peak, our revenue margin fell to 7.4%, the lowest level since the acquisition of the AAG platform. Speaker 400:11:01By December, following the decline in market rates, our revenue margin peaked to 11.3% or the highest level of the year. So far during the Q1 of 2024, we have continued to see strong performance in revenue margins as market rates stay below the highs experienced in October. When it comes to operating expenses, the company continues to focus on finding ways to align our infrastructure to our moderate retirement platform. During the Q4, expenses reduced by $7,000,000 or 7% from the 3rd quarter. In addition, our corporate divisions continued to see a decline in operating expenses during the quarter as we further reduced our expense base by nearly 10%. Speaker 400:11:43This brings our annualized run rate reduction within corporate to nearly $90,000,000 from our peak in early 2022 or the midpoint of our target range. Turning to our balance sheet, our cash balance was $46,000,000 at the end of the year, down from $66,000,000 in September. During the quarter, FOA completed a small home safe securitization, meaning that much of our cash was used to invest in our balance sheet as equity and newly funded HomeSafe loans. During February 2024, we completed 2 large securitizations, freeing up significant cash that will be used to invest in and grow our business. Our residuals at the end of the year were valued at $260,000,000 up from $49,000,000 as of the end of September. Speaker 400:12:28Their value increased from the prior quarter as interest rates declined in November December validating our continued confidence in the long term value of these assets. Based on comments from the Fed, interest rates appear to be on a downward trend over the next few years, which we expect will have favorable impacts to the fair value of our balance sheet in the long run. Lastly, I want to touch on the recent letters we have received from the New York Stock Exchange regarding compliance with listing requirements. Alliance of America's leadership remains focused on generating enhanced enterprise value for all stakeholders and ensuring the company's long term success. We intend to comply with NYSE listing standards and are actively considering steps to bring the company back into compliance within the required time period, which we do not anticipate impacting our ongoing business operations. Speaker 400:13:18While we're not done, we have made great strides as an organization to achieve our strategic goals. We are excited about the opportunity that lies ahead in 2024 and we believe in the long term earnings power of the company. We're optimistic about our ability to achieve our goal of $0.40 to $0.50 in adjusted EPS on an annual basis and originating $300,000,000 a month based on our scaled reverse mortgage business and current margins. With that, let me now hand it back to Graham for closing remarks. Speaker 200:13:46Yes. Thank you, Matt. 2023 was a year of significant transformation for our business. In the face of an uncertain macro environment, we believe we both improved and strengthened our operations via acquisition and streamlined their business to establish a foundation for success moving forward. More importantly, the overarching demographics in the U. Speaker 200:14:06S. Continue to make us confident in the long term value of our business. The proportion of retirees is at an all time high and growing at a time when most don't have nearly enough save for retirement and older homeowners as a whole have more than $13,000,000,000,000 in home equity. We believe we are well positioned to benefit from a more favorable interest rate environment and a growing customer base open to utilizing their home equity to help them thrive in retirement. And with that, we'll open the call up for some Operator00:14:34questions. The floor is now open for your questions. Your first question comes from the line of Stephen Laws with Raymond James. Your line is open. Speaker 500:15:01Hi, good afternoon. Hi, Stephen. Hi, Graham. First of all, Matt, I actually want to start with you based on a couple of comments you made. I think you said in February, you did 2 securitizations, which freed up some cash. Speaker 500:15:12Were those I think one was a refinance. Can you talk about demand for those deals on your securitizations? And then how much liquidity or cash does that free up? And what are you able to do with that incremental cash? Speaker 400:15:30So I think overall demand for those deals was strong. They're fully subscribed. We sold all the bonds in the stack. They'll receive pretty well in the market. With that cash, we're just ongoing cash grow the business, continue to invest in the home safe production and that causes some cash in the interim months until you do the next securitization. Speaker 400:15:50That's kind of the main use of it. The rest of this kind of corporate cleanup is behind us in 2023 as Graham mentioned. So a lot of that cash burn of the past is behind us. Speaker 500:16:02And then what's the outlook for additional securitization calls? Do you have any more deals that you may call and lever back up in a new deal? Or how do you think about the call opportunity going forward? Speaker 200:16:17Yes. So I'd answer Speaker 100:16:18that this way, Stephen, right? Speaker 200:16:18So obviously, there's something in the range of 30 deals outstanding. We look at them look, first of all, we look at our operating liquidity needs over the coming years. We look at the value of these residuals at the option date and at the call date. And we make we do not have a specific plan at this time to call more deals, but obviously we'll look at the economic value and maximize that kind of crossover between the liquidity and the economics. But as you can see from the Q4 results, there's a lot of value now inherent in these residuals and we'll call and reissue as we see fit depending upon the call date or the mandatory or the auction date or the mandatory or the call date. Speaker 500:17:03Right. But Speaker 200:17:03there is definitely opportunity to generate liquidity by calling and reissuing some of these past deals. Speaker 500:17:11So I guess along the side, do you expect to build cash? Should you think about where we'll in Q1? How do you expect to see cash balance maintained as we move through the first half of this year? Speaker 400:17:24I don't think we'll really start to build cash in the first half of the year. It's a bit of a delay as the retail origination platform kind of gets the volume going back up. We get some additional production through the HomeSafe deals towards maybe the end of Q2, end of Q3. I think I would not expect to see a large cash build certainly in the first half of the year. Speaker 500:17:45Okay. Great. And then, Matt, just to make sure I got my notes down, I think you said kind of continuing to target $300,000,000 a month and that volume level still supports a longer term ANI outlook of $0.40 annually. Is that what you said? Speaker 400:18:05That's exactly right. Speaker 500:18:07Great. And then lastly for me for now, I think one of your competitors maybe priced a deal pretty attractively in Q1. Can you talk about we're almost into the quarter, but I realize things could change in the next 25 days. But how do you think about or how are the year to date fair value changes? Certainly, Q4 was a welcome relief after that being a headwind in the summer last year. Speaker 500:18:30But how is year to date for value changes trending? Speaker 200:18:35So, look, obviously, there's 3 major components, Stephen, right? And that number 1 is the rates, right, which we're not exactly sure where rates will Speaker 100:18:43finish at the end of Speaker 200:18:45the quarter. We've kind of seen them we've seen them move up about 30 basis points and come back down a little bit here. The 2nd component is spreads. We've seen spreads definitely tightening in here at the beginning of the year, not just on our proprietary product, but also on our agency HECM product. And the last piece is HPA, right? Speaker 200:19:05It's remained robust. We're waiting on some days to come out here in March, which hopefully supports what we've seen from Case Shiller. But if that's positive and spreads are tight and rates are, let's say, rates come down a little further before the end of the quarter, it should be an overall positive impact for fair value. Speaker 500:19:26Great. Appreciate the comments this afternoon. Thank you. Operator00:19:32Our next question comes from the line of Doug Harter with UBS. Your line is open. Speaker 100:19:39Hi. This is Corey Johnson on for Doug Harter. I just wanted to see, could you talk me through, is there any way to perhaps limit the mark to market volatility of the balance sheet and or reduce the balance sheet intensity of the business? Speaker 200:20:06Unfortunately, right, unfortunately these are GAAP, right? These are GAAP issues and these are all mandated in accordance with GAAP. So there's no ideas right at the top of my head other than marking everything to 0, which obviously GAAP won't allow us to do. It is based on some close to almost $10,000,000,000 UPB balance. So relatively speaking, it is basis points. Speaker 200:20:35But, Matt, anything to add? Speaker 400:20:41I think you can always look at the question we sometimes get is around hedging and whether you put big hedges in place. There's upsides and downsides to that from a liquidity standpoint, when the rates should go against you. So some we look at from time to time. We've hedged some in the past. We'll consider doing some in the future. Speaker 400:21:00But right now, given where we are in the rate cycle, we're okay with some of this volatility and it's moving kind of back in our favor. Speaker 100:21:10Great. Thank you. And I want to see, is the path to operating profitability going to be through increased revenue or is it or is there further expense reductions that could take place? Speaker 200:21:27Yes. There's a little more on the expense side, right, that we're going to tackle in Q2. Primarily, revenue margins have improved. We don't expect them to be much higher than they were in December. So the path to profitability now is increased volume, which we also expect to see increased volume as we're through this loan origination consolidation. Speaker 200:21:50We're currently anticipating ANI profitability kind of over towards the end of Q2 over the summer, right. So we do have a Speaker 500:21:58path to return to ANI profitability. Speaker 100:22:04Great. Thanks. And just the last question for me. Could you maybe talk to me a little bit about the outlook for reverse origination volumes in the current rate environment? Speaker 300:22:19Yes, I would say that right now it's probably less about the current rate environment and just about getting the kind of operating platform and the technology integration completed. We've got the levers to pull to drive the growth. We just need to do so from a stable foundation, which is what we've been mainly focused on over the last two quarters. And so the plan is to incrementally begin growing the production volume through the course of this year and well into the future. And obviously, when rates come down, it makes it easier. Speaker 300:22:57But with where rates are today, we still believe in the growth model that we have. Speaker 100:23:05Great. Thank you. Appreciate the answer. Operator00:23:10Next question comes from the line of Lee Cooperman with Omega Family Office. Your line is open. Speaker 600:23:18Thank you. I have four questions and maybe one you already responded to. What are the expectations for recurring operating earnings? Somebody mentioned in the call the volatility. The $0.40 to $0.50 that you mentioned, was that recurring operating earnings this year or your objectives down the road? Speaker 600:23:41That's question 1. Speaker 200:23:45So Lee, the $0.40 to $0.50 will be based on $300,000,000 a month of originations. We're currently averaging somewhere around $1.40 to $1.50 So we don't need to grow into that. We would expect to be on a path for that towards the end of this year. I don't think we're going to achieve $0.40 to $0.50 Speaker 600:24:04What is your expectation for operating earnings this year? Do you have one? And you're willing to share? Speaker 200:24:12We haven't provided that specific guidance. I would say that our submissions and our pipelines are growing. We're optimistic that the volume will grow over the course Speaker 600:24:21of the year. We haven't given that specific It's an open platform. Do you want to make a statement? Please rather not. Speaker 200:24:30I'd rather not at this point, Lee. Speaker 600:24:332nd, how do you rate your capital adequacy to conduct the business that you want to conduct the way you want to conduct it? Do you have adequate capital? Speaker 400:24:42We do have adequate capital. We are constantly kind of addressing our needs as we see fit with warehouse lines, timing our securitizations, lines of credit and so forth. So we feel we're properly capitalized for our growth in 2024. Speaker 600:24:58I don't follow it that closely though I want a lot of shares. But hold on, my cell phone is being being hold on. There was enormous increase in the share count from $88,000,000 to $229,000,000 fully diluted. Basically, what is the actual share count currently fully diluted? Is it the 229,300,000? Speaker 400:25:29That's the fully diluted share Speaker 100:25:30count, Jeff Lee. Speaker 600:25:31What accounted for the 200 and I'd say about 150,000,000 to 140,000,000 increase in shares? Speaker 100:25:42There wasn't a I don't think there was a 140,000,000 share increase. Speaker 600:25:46Well, it says here on Page 7 of your release, the basic weighted average shares outstanding was 88.4 and the dilution, the diluted shares are 229.3 and a year ago was 87.7. Speaker 400:26:04So it's pretty Speaker 100:26:05big. Yes, Salim. So that actually has to do with the method by which we run the if converted or fully diluted EPS calc. And so because it is not dilutive, right, or it is anti dilutive on the fully diluted view, When you add in all shares for that GAAP requires us to just use the basic share count instead. So that's why you can see the basic and diluted per share number is the same in each of those periods. Speaker 100:26:35It's just Q4 of this year where the diluted EPS is dilutive compared to basic. Speaker 600:26:42You mentioned your view of interest rates. I happen to be of the view that short rates could drop, but long rates are not going to go down and in effect they'll probably go up. What's more important to you, the 90 day bill rate or the 10 year rate? The reason I say what I say is prior to the great financial crisis, the 10 year bond used to yield in line with nominal GDP. We're assuming 2% real growth and 3% inflation that will be 5%, the 10 year wouldn't be undervalued at 5. Speaker 600:27:16Yes. Speaker 200:27:16So we're not quite out as far as the 10 year. Lee, what's important to us is probably in the 5 to 7 year range. Speaker 600:27:245 to 7 year, all right. Well, that rate goes down, but whatever. But the 10 year rate is less significant to you than the short term rates? Speaker 200:27:35Yes. Our assets are probably 7 year duration. And then so that's kind of where we're focused on the curve. Speaker 600:27:41Got you. Okay. Thank you very much. Good luck. Speaker 200:27:44Thank you. Operator00:27:49There are no further questions at this time. Mr. Fleming, I turn the call back over to you. Speaker 200:27:54Yes. I'd like to thank everybody for joining the call and we look forward to our updates at the end of Q1, which we expect in May. So thank you everybody and good night. Operator00:28:07This concludes today's conference call. 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There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Desiree, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Finance of America 4th Quarter and Full Year 2023 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:28I would now like to turn the conference over to Michael Fantz, Senior Vice President of Finance. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:40Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to Finance of America's 4th quarter and full year 2020 3 earnings call. With me today are Graham Fleming, Chief Executive Officer Kristen Seifert, President and Matt Engel, Chief Financial Officer. As a reminder, this call is being recorded, and you can find the earnings release and presentation on our Investor Relations website at www.financeofamerica dotcom. In addition, we will refer to certain non GAAP financial measures on this call. To the extent available without unreasonable efforts, you can find reconciliations of non GAAP to GAAP financial measures discussed on today's call in our earnings press release on the Investor Relations page of our website. Speaker 100:01:24Also, I would like to remind everyone that comments on this conference call may be forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 regarding the company's expected operating and financial performance for future periods. These statements are based on the company's current expectations and are subject to the Safe Harbor statement for forward looking statements that you will find in today's earnings release. Actual results for future periods may differ materially from those expressed or implied by these forward looking statements due to a number of risks or other factors, including those that are described in the Risk Factors section of Finance of America's annual report on Form 10 ks for the year ended December 31, 20 22 filed with the SEC on March 16, 2023. As such, risk factors may be amended and updated in our subsequent filings with the SEC. We are not undertaking any commitment to update these statements if conditions change. Speaker 100:02:21Please note, today we will be discussing interim period financials that are unaudited. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Finance of America's Chief Executive Officer, Graeme Fleming. Graham? Speaker 200:02:33Yes. Thank you, Michael. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us. To begin, I would like to review our results as well as the broader macro trends we are seeing in the industry. I will then turn things over to Christen to share our strategic plan, followed by a review of our financials from our Chief Financial Officer, Matt Engel. Speaker 200:02:50Overall, 2023 was a transformational period for Finance and Merck. Throughout the year, we completed a series of strategic transactions that helped establish the company as the preeminent platform for homeowners 55 and older seeking to benefit from their home equity. With most of these efforts now behind us, we are excited to move forward. As a business, we are firmly positioned as the leading provider of modern retirement solutions with the potential to reach tens of millions of customers nationwide. For additional information, we have included a presentation on our Investor Relations website that addresses the potential total addressable market and our view of the investment opportunity. Speaker 200:03:31Finance of America is making home equity part of a mainstream modern retirement plan so that more Americans can benefit from the wealth in their home and have better outcomes later in life. With respect to our continuing operations, we recorded GAAP net income of $171,000,000 or $0.72 per basic share in the 4th quarter. These results were driven primarily by fair value gains recognized in our portfolio of assets given decreases in market rates in the quarter and improved results from operations, which we will discuss shortly. On an adjusted basis, in the 4th quarter, we recognized a net loss of $20,000,000 or $0.09 per fully diluted share, an improvement over the Q3 of 20%. Beginning in Retirement Solutions, as expected volumes decreased in the quarter due to seasonality, but improved margins and reduced expenses led to a 67% improvement in adjusted net loss for the quarter. Speaker 200:04:28In portfolio management, market volatility had a significant impact on quarterly results. In the Q4, decreases across the yield curve brought about significant increases in fair value of our portfolio of assets. Over the course of the year, the net balance increased by $24,000,000 Having established a solid foundation from which to grow, we are excited for what lies ahead. We continue to look at avenues to expand our product suite, enhance the customer experience and drive conversion. These include identifying ways to utilize AI. Speaker 200:05:03We have selected key AI partners and are excited to leverage these tools across sales, operations, marketing and data analytics. Additionally, we remain focused on managing expenses and strengthening our balance sheet for the long term. Let me now turn things over to Kristin for an update on our operations, the integration of the AAG Retail platform and the work we've been doing to enhance our products and sales channels. Speaker 300:05:28Christa? Good afternoon. As Graham mentioned, our vision is to make home equity an essential part of a modern mainstream retirement plan. We've designed a 3 year strategic plan that we believe will enable us to achieve this goal while also helping us provide the most value to those we serve including our shareholders. A key factor for advancing that plan was moving to one loan origination platform, which was the last major milestone related to the integration of the AAG Retail platform. Speaker 300:05:58This was launched in late December as planned and the beginning of this year will be devoted to improving the efficiencies of that platform and ensuring we have strong workflows to support the originations engine and the planned growth. With much of the foundational work close to being completed, it paves the way for a shift of attention to the growth levers in the plan. We think Finance of America's modern retirement platform will create long term growth at scale and we have a few main reasons for this confidence. The first is that we see a significant addressable market, which we believe we're well positioned to capture as the category grows. Reverse mortgages are utilized by approximately 2% of the total addressable market. Speaker 300:06:41As the industry's leading retail and wholesale originator, Finance of America has close to 40% market share of this activity. We have our eyes fixed on driving market penetration over the long term, so that as the total pie grows, we will have the ability to meaningfully increase our reach and impact as well. When you consider the nearly $3,700,000,000,000 retirement savings gap and the record number of seniors who are financially unprepared for retirement using traditional vehicles alone, a solution must emerge. The obvious one is to incorporate the $13,000,000,000,000 in home equity held by seniors. The second reason for confidence is the power of our distribution platform and its connection to product innovation. Speaker 300:07:27Through our direct to consumer channel, we reach more than 20,000,000 consumers annually via our marketing and advertising and our reach grows tremendously when you consider the large traditional mortgage lenders who utilize our suite of products with their clientele through our industry leading wholesale channel. We've long been pioneers in our industry in creating non agency products that fill gaps for customers and our most recent innovation was a no payment second lien home equity loan that we launched in 2023. During the Q4, we saw significant growth in non agency volume, funding 50% more proprietary production in Q4 than during Q3, further helping our customers thrive. While new loan products can provide solutions for a broader set of customers, we also recognize there's a significant gap as it relates to customer understanding and appeal of reverse mortgage products and the category overall. Our third reason for confidence is that we now have the components to change this. Speaker 300:08:27Within our 3 year plan, we're committed to breaking this adoption barrier by investing in modernized messaging, digital technology and tailored customer centric experiences. These experiences are essential in unlocking the massive market opportunity that exists and providing our customers and partners the service and experience they deserve and expect. In all, we have a strong rationale for our approach and optimism around our strategic plan given our dominant position within the industry. We have a clear vision, a strong team and a proven track record of delivering results. We are confident we'll continue to see growth and strong operational performance within the business as we execute against our long term vision and we look forward to sharing continuous indicators of progress with you each quarter. Speaker 300:09:13Now, let me turn things over to our CFO, Matt Engel. Speaker 400:09:18Thank you, Kristen, and good afternoon, everyone. I'm excited to have joined the Finance of America team. We have a compelling story to tell and are at an exciting inflection point in the business. I look forward to speaking with and meeting many of you over the coming months. With that, let me start with a brief overview of our financial results before I dive into specifics on the quarter. Speaker 400:09:39Within our continuing operations, we recognized GAAP net income of $171,000,000 or $0.72 per basic share. Turning to the operating results, the company recognized an adjusted net loss of 20,000,000 dollars for the quarter or $0.09 per fully diluted share, an improvement of 20% from the 3rd quarter. In our reverse platform, volumes decreased in the 4th quarter due to seasonality. Additionally, as Kristen mentioned, we began the consolidation of our loan origination system during the quarter, further impacting retail production. We originated $436,000,000 in loan volumes, down 7% from the $470,000,000 in the 3rd quarter. Speaker 400:10:19For the full year, we originated $1,600,000,000 in funded loan volume. While volumes were down compared to the prior year, maintaining industry's leading retail and leading wholesale platforms allowed Finance of America to control a 37% share of the HECM reverse market and a significant portion of the non agency market. Retirement Solutions 4th quarter revenue margin was 9.2%, an improvement of nearly 18% from the prior quarter. This is even more stark when looking at the monthly margins during the quarter. During October when market rates reached their peak, our revenue margin fell to 7.4%, the lowest level since the acquisition of the AAG platform. Speaker 400:11:01By December, following the decline in market rates, our revenue margin peaked to 11.3% or the highest level of the year. So far during the Q1 of 2024, we have continued to see strong performance in revenue margins as market rates stay below the highs experienced in October. When it comes to operating expenses, the company continues to focus on finding ways to align our infrastructure to our moderate retirement platform. During the Q4, expenses reduced by $7,000,000 or 7% from the 3rd quarter. In addition, our corporate divisions continued to see a decline in operating expenses during the quarter as we further reduced our expense base by nearly 10%. Speaker 400:11:43This brings our annualized run rate reduction within corporate to nearly $90,000,000 from our peak in early 2022 or the midpoint of our target range. Turning to our balance sheet, our cash balance was $46,000,000 at the end of the year, down from $66,000,000 in September. During the quarter, FOA completed a small home safe securitization, meaning that much of our cash was used to invest in our balance sheet as equity and newly funded HomeSafe loans. During February 2024, we completed 2 large securitizations, freeing up significant cash that will be used to invest in and grow our business. Our residuals at the end of the year were valued at $260,000,000 up from $49,000,000 as of the end of September. Speaker 400:12:28Their value increased from the prior quarter as interest rates declined in November December validating our continued confidence in the long term value of these assets. Based on comments from the Fed, interest rates appear to be on a downward trend over the next few years, which we expect will have favorable impacts to the fair value of our balance sheet in the long run. Lastly, I want to touch on the recent letters we have received from the New York Stock Exchange regarding compliance with listing requirements. Alliance of America's leadership remains focused on generating enhanced enterprise value for all stakeholders and ensuring the company's long term success. We intend to comply with NYSE listing standards and are actively considering steps to bring the company back into compliance within the required time period, which we do not anticipate impacting our ongoing business operations. Speaker 400:13:18While we're not done, we have made great strides as an organization to achieve our strategic goals. We are excited about the opportunity that lies ahead in 2024 and we believe in the long term earnings power of the company. We're optimistic about our ability to achieve our goal of $0.40 to $0.50 in adjusted EPS on an annual basis and originating $300,000,000 a month based on our scaled reverse mortgage business and current margins. With that, let me now hand it back to Graham for closing remarks. Speaker 200:13:46Yes. Thank you, Matt. 2023 was a year of significant transformation for our business. In the face of an uncertain macro environment, we believe we both improved and strengthened our operations via acquisition and streamlined their business to establish a foundation for success moving forward. More importantly, the overarching demographics in the U. Speaker 200:14:06S. Continue to make us confident in the long term value of our business. The proportion of retirees is at an all time high and growing at a time when most don't have nearly enough save for retirement and older homeowners as a whole have more than $13,000,000,000,000 in home equity. We believe we are well positioned to benefit from a more favorable interest rate environment and a growing customer base open to utilizing their home equity to help them thrive in retirement. And with that, we'll open the call up for some Operator00:14:34questions. The floor is now open for your questions. Your first question comes from the line of Stephen Laws with Raymond James. Your line is open. Speaker 500:15:01Hi, good afternoon. Hi, Stephen. Hi, Graham. First of all, Matt, I actually want to start with you based on a couple of comments you made. I think you said in February, you did 2 securitizations, which freed up some cash. Speaker 500:15:12Were those I think one was a refinance. Can you talk about demand for those deals on your securitizations? And then how much liquidity or cash does that free up? And what are you able to do with that incremental cash? Speaker 400:15:30So I think overall demand for those deals was strong. They're fully subscribed. We sold all the bonds in the stack. They'll receive pretty well in the market. With that cash, we're just ongoing cash grow the business, continue to invest in the home safe production and that causes some cash in the interim months until you do the next securitization. Speaker 400:15:50That's kind of the main use of it. The rest of this kind of corporate cleanup is behind us in 2023 as Graham mentioned. So a lot of that cash burn of the past is behind us. Speaker 500:16:02And then what's the outlook for additional securitization calls? Do you have any more deals that you may call and lever back up in a new deal? Or how do you think about the call opportunity going forward? Speaker 200:16:17Yes. So I'd answer Speaker 100:16:18that this way, Stephen, right? Speaker 200:16:18So obviously, there's something in the range of 30 deals outstanding. We look at them look, first of all, we look at our operating liquidity needs over the coming years. We look at the value of these residuals at the option date and at the call date. And we make we do not have a specific plan at this time to call more deals, but obviously we'll look at the economic value and maximize that kind of crossover between the liquidity and the economics. But as you can see from the Q4 results, there's a lot of value now inherent in these residuals and we'll call and reissue as we see fit depending upon the call date or the mandatory or the auction date or the mandatory or the call date. Speaker 500:17:03Right. But Speaker 200:17:03there is definitely opportunity to generate liquidity by calling and reissuing some of these past deals. Speaker 500:17:11So I guess along the side, do you expect to build cash? Should you think about where we'll in Q1? How do you expect to see cash balance maintained as we move through the first half of this year? Speaker 400:17:24I don't think we'll really start to build cash in the first half of the year. It's a bit of a delay as the retail origination platform kind of gets the volume going back up. We get some additional production through the HomeSafe deals towards maybe the end of Q2, end of Q3. I think I would not expect to see a large cash build certainly in the first half of the year. Speaker 500:17:45Okay. Great. And then, Matt, just to make sure I got my notes down, I think you said kind of continuing to target $300,000,000 a month and that volume level still supports a longer term ANI outlook of $0.40 annually. Is that what you said? Speaker 400:18:05That's exactly right. Speaker 500:18:07Great. And then lastly for me for now, I think one of your competitors maybe priced a deal pretty attractively in Q1. Can you talk about we're almost into the quarter, but I realize things could change in the next 25 days. But how do you think about or how are the year to date fair value changes? Certainly, Q4 was a welcome relief after that being a headwind in the summer last year. Speaker 500:18:30But how is year to date for value changes trending? Speaker 200:18:35So, look, obviously, there's 3 major components, Stephen, right? And that number 1 is the rates, right, which we're not exactly sure where rates will Speaker 100:18:43finish at the end of Speaker 200:18:45the quarter. We've kind of seen them we've seen them move up about 30 basis points and come back down a little bit here. The 2nd component is spreads. We've seen spreads definitely tightening in here at the beginning of the year, not just on our proprietary product, but also on our agency HECM product. And the last piece is HPA, right? Speaker 200:19:05It's remained robust. We're waiting on some days to come out here in March, which hopefully supports what we've seen from Case Shiller. But if that's positive and spreads are tight and rates are, let's say, rates come down a little further before the end of the quarter, it should be an overall positive impact for fair value. Speaker 500:19:26Great. Appreciate the comments this afternoon. Thank you. Operator00:19:32Our next question comes from the line of Doug Harter with UBS. Your line is open. Speaker 100:19:39Hi. This is Corey Johnson on for Doug Harter. I just wanted to see, could you talk me through, is there any way to perhaps limit the mark to market volatility of the balance sheet and or reduce the balance sheet intensity of the business? Speaker 200:20:06Unfortunately, right, unfortunately these are GAAP, right? These are GAAP issues and these are all mandated in accordance with GAAP. So there's no ideas right at the top of my head other than marking everything to 0, which obviously GAAP won't allow us to do. It is based on some close to almost $10,000,000,000 UPB balance. So relatively speaking, it is basis points. Speaker 200:20:35But, Matt, anything to add? Speaker 400:20:41I think you can always look at the question we sometimes get is around hedging and whether you put big hedges in place. There's upsides and downsides to that from a liquidity standpoint, when the rates should go against you. So some we look at from time to time. We've hedged some in the past. We'll consider doing some in the future. Speaker 400:21:00But right now, given where we are in the rate cycle, we're okay with some of this volatility and it's moving kind of back in our favor. Speaker 100:21:10Great. Thank you. And I want to see, is the path to operating profitability going to be through increased revenue or is it or is there further expense reductions that could take place? Speaker 200:21:27Yes. There's a little more on the expense side, right, that we're going to tackle in Q2. Primarily, revenue margins have improved. We don't expect them to be much higher than they were in December. So the path to profitability now is increased volume, which we also expect to see increased volume as we're through this loan origination consolidation. Speaker 200:21:50We're currently anticipating ANI profitability kind of over towards the end of Q2 over the summer, right. So we do have a Speaker 500:21:58path to return to ANI profitability. Speaker 100:22:04Great. Thanks. And just the last question for me. Could you maybe talk to me a little bit about the outlook for reverse origination volumes in the current rate environment? Speaker 300:22:19Yes, I would say that right now it's probably less about the current rate environment and just about getting the kind of operating platform and the technology integration completed. We've got the levers to pull to drive the growth. We just need to do so from a stable foundation, which is what we've been mainly focused on over the last two quarters. And so the plan is to incrementally begin growing the production volume through the course of this year and well into the future. And obviously, when rates come down, it makes it easier. Speaker 300:22:57But with where rates are today, we still believe in the growth model that we have. Speaker 100:23:05Great. Thank you. Appreciate the answer. Operator00:23:10Next question comes from the line of Lee Cooperman with Omega Family Office. Your line is open. Speaker 600:23:18Thank you. I have four questions and maybe one you already responded to. What are the expectations for recurring operating earnings? Somebody mentioned in the call the volatility. The $0.40 to $0.50 that you mentioned, was that recurring operating earnings this year or your objectives down the road? Speaker 600:23:41That's question 1. Speaker 200:23:45So Lee, the $0.40 to $0.50 will be based on $300,000,000 a month of originations. We're currently averaging somewhere around $1.40 to $1.50 So we don't need to grow into that. We would expect to be on a path for that towards the end of this year. I don't think we're going to achieve $0.40 to $0.50 Speaker 600:24:04What is your expectation for operating earnings this year? Do you have one? And you're willing to share? Speaker 200:24:12We haven't provided that specific guidance. I would say that our submissions and our pipelines are growing. We're optimistic that the volume will grow over the course Speaker 600:24:21of the year. We haven't given that specific It's an open platform. Do you want to make a statement? Please rather not. Speaker 200:24:30I'd rather not at this point, Lee. Speaker 600:24:332nd, how do you rate your capital adequacy to conduct the business that you want to conduct the way you want to conduct it? Do you have adequate capital? Speaker 400:24:42We do have adequate capital. We are constantly kind of addressing our needs as we see fit with warehouse lines, timing our securitizations, lines of credit and so forth. So we feel we're properly capitalized for our growth in 2024. Speaker 600:24:58I don't follow it that closely though I want a lot of shares. But hold on, my cell phone is being being hold on. There was enormous increase in the share count from $88,000,000 to $229,000,000 fully diluted. Basically, what is the actual share count currently fully diluted? Is it the 229,300,000? Speaker 400:25:29That's the fully diluted share Speaker 100:25:30count, Jeff Lee. Speaker 600:25:31What accounted for the 200 and I'd say about 150,000,000 to 140,000,000 increase in shares? Speaker 100:25:42There wasn't a I don't think there was a 140,000,000 share increase. Speaker 600:25:46Well, it says here on Page 7 of your release, the basic weighted average shares outstanding was 88.4 and the dilution, the diluted shares are 229.3 and a year ago was 87.7. Speaker 400:26:04So it's pretty Speaker 100:26:05big. Yes, Salim. So that actually has to do with the method by which we run the if converted or fully diluted EPS calc. And so because it is not dilutive, right, or it is anti dilutive on the fully diluted view, When you add in all shares for that GAAP requires us to just use the basic share count instead. So that's why you can see the basic and diluted per share number is the same in each of those periods. Speaker 100:26:35It's just Q4 of this year where the diluted EPS is dilutive compared to basic. Speaker 600:26:42You mentioned your view of interest rates. I happen to be of the view that short rates could drop, but long rates are not going to go down and in effect they'll probably go up. What's more important to you, the 90 day bill rate or the 10 year rate? The reason I say what I say is prior to the great financial crisis, the 10 year bond used to yield in line with nominal GDP. We're assuming 2% real growth and 3% inflation that will be 5%, the 10 year wouldn't be undervalued at 5. Speaker 600:27:16Yes. Speaker 200:27:16So we're not quite out as far as the 10 year. Lee, what's important to us is probably in the 5 to 7 year range. Speaker 600:27:245 to 7 year, all right. Well, that rate goes down, but whatever. But the 10 year rate is less significant to you than the short term rates? Speaker 200:27:35Yes. Our assets are probably 7 year duration. And then so that's kind of where we're focused on the curve. Speaker 600:27:41Got you. Okay. Thank you very much. Good luck. Speaker 200:27:44Thank you. Operator00:27:49There are no further questions at this time. Mr. Fleming, I turn the call back over to you. Speaker 200:27:54Yes. I'd like to thank everybody for joining the call and we look forward to our updates at the end of Q1, which we expect in May. So thank you everybody and good night. Operator00:28:07This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by