NASDAQ:CNFR Conifer Q4 2023 Earnings Report $0.72 -0.03 (-3.38%) As of 04:00 PM Eastern This is a fair market value price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings History Conifer EPS ResultsActual EPS-$1.59Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/AConifer Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$21.14 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/AConifer Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2023Date4/4/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateFriday, April 5, 2024Conference Call Time8:30AM ETUpcoming EarningsConifer's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Monday, May 12, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Wednesday, May 14, 2025 at 8:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Conifer Q4 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrApril 5, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 4 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, and welcome to the Conifer Holdings 4th Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Brian Rohney. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:38Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Conifer issued a press release relating to its 2023 Q4 financial results after the close of market yesterday. You can find copies of the earnings release on the company's website, ir. Cnfrh.com. The slide presentation accompanying management's remarks this morning is available to view or download via webcast or from the Investor Relations section of Conifer's website. Speaker 100:01:09Before we get started, please note that except with regard to historical information, statements made in this conference call may constitute forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws, including statements relating to trends, the company's operations and financial results, and the business and the products of the company and its subsidiaries. Actual results may differ materially from the results anticipated in these forward looking statements due to various risks and uncertainties underlying our forward looking statements as described from time to time in Conifer's filings with the SEC, including our latest Form 10 ks and reports. Conifer specifically disclaims any obligation to update or revise any forward looking statements whether as a result of new information, future developments or otherwise. In addition, a replay of this call will be provided through a link on the Investor Relations section of our website. During this call, we'll also discuss non GAAP financial measures as defined by SEC Regulation G. Speaker 100:02:14Reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measures to the comparable GAAP financial measures are included when possible in our earnings release and our historical SEC filings. Statutory accounting data is prepared in accordance with statutory accounting rules and is therefore not reconciled to GAAP. We will conduct a Q and A session after management's prepared remarks this morning. With that, I'll turn the call over to Nick Petcoff, our Chief Executive Officer. Nick? Speaker 200:02:43Thanks, Brian, and good morning, everyone. Also on the call with us today is our CFO, Harold Meloche. As we close the chapter on 2023, I want to take a moment to provide some insight into the numbers we've reported for the full year. The absolute majority of our total reported loss was actually realized in the Q4 alone and was the result of a strategic decision on our part. In the Q4, we made the conscious decision to further strengthen our overall reserves by fully booking to our outside actuaries point estimate. Speaker 200:03:13Given the magnitude of the financial impact, this decision was not taken lightly. But we do believe it was prudent to ensure the long term stability of our company and to protect against further development in the future. Another factor affecting financial performance during the year was the impact of convective storms on our personal lines book of business in Oklahoma in particular. Our Texas personal lines book also saw storms in the year, but generally performed much better overall. As a result, even after several solidly performing years prior, we made the decision to reduce the overall storm risk and non renew our Oklahoma book, which is now in runoff. Speaker 200:03:50As for personal lines going forward, we do expect to continue underwriting the low valued homeowners business written in Texas and in the Midwest. These regions have proven to be reliable sources of revenue for our company and we recognize the importance of maintaining presence in these markets. We remain committed to serving the needs of homeowners in these regions by providing them with reliable and affordable insurance coverage. We believe that by continuing to underwrite profitable business in Texas and the Midwest, we can remain well positioned for long term success. For the full year 2023, our personal lines production was roughly 26% of total premiums written with the remaining 74% of premium coming from commercial lines. Speaker 200:04:31As for commercial lines, we have made a significant strategic shift in revenue recognition models in 2023 and beyond. Whereby in years past we had employed a risk retention model utilizing our operating insurance companies to write and retain underwriting risk for commercial lines premium, we have just moved to a production based revenue model through our wholly owned managing general agency Conifer Insurance Services or CIS. With that in mind for commercial lines production, we have decided to transition away from the limitations of a carrier based revenue model and instead embrace the managing general agency production based revenue approach. This ship represents a fundamental change in how we do business and it is one that we believe will position us for long term success and sustainability. Under this new model, starting in the Q2 of 2024, substantially all of our commercial lines business will be directly written by 3rd party insurers with A. Speaker 200:05:26M. Best ratings of A- or better. Utilizing 3rd party A rated capacity providers for our MGA produced business will provide a much broader reach for existing profitable programs. Further, it will empower us to ensure a sustainable business model going forward, one that is more focused on commission revenue and less on risk retention through our subsidiary carriers. When looking to the future and across the insurance landscape, it has become increasingly clear that we need to adapt to a production based world in order to thrive in a rapidly changing market. Speaker 200:05:58With that in mind, as outlined in several press releases earlier this week, we are pleased to partner with both Palomar and Accelerant to provide A rated paper to our commercial lines and shirts going forward. Both of those partners will allow us to better meet our customers' overall needs and extend our reach in the profitable markets that we serve best. I want to assure our shareholders, policyholders and partners that this transition has been managed thoughtfully and responsibly. We are working closely with all stakeholders to ensure a smooth and seamless transition, minimizing any disruptions to our operations and maintaining the high standards of service and integrity that remain our company's hallmark. Thank you for your continued support as we embark on this exciting new chapter in Conifer's journey. Speaker 200:06:42Our commitment to excellence, integrity and transparency continues to drive every decision we make. And with that, I'll pass the call over to Harold to discuss the numbers. Harold? Speaker 300:06:51Thank you, Nick. I'll provide a brief over cap of the financial results, and I encourage investors to review our filings and presentation on the company's website for greater detail. With Dick having detailed the premium breakout, I will focus on the underwriting results. For the year 2023, our overall combined ratio was 135% compared to 122% during the same period last year. The accident year combined ratio for the Q4 was 132% and 114% for the full year 2023. Speaker 300:07:28The expense ratio for the full year of 2023 was 37%, down from 38% for the full year of 2022 and nearly reaching our target expense ratio of 35%. Net investment income was $1,400,000 during the 4th quarter, up 27 percent from $1,100,000 in the prior year period. Our investments remain conservatively managed with the vast majority of our investable assets and fixed income securities with an average credit quality of AA plus and average duration of 2.9 years and a growing tax equivalent yield of 3.3%. Overall, the company reported a net loss of $19,500,000 or $1.59 per share for the 4th quarter and compared to a net income of $2,100,000 or $0.17 per share in the prior year period. The company reported an adjusted operating loss of $19,500,000 or $1.59 per share, compared to an adjusted operating loss of $1,300,000 or $0.10 per share in the prior year period. Speaker 300:08:39Moving to the balance sheet, total assets were $312,000,000 at quarter end, with cash and total investments of 156,000,000 dollars And with that, I'll turn it back over to Nick for closing remarks. Speaker 200:08:54Thanks, Harold. In closing, I want to emphasize that as we move forward, I remain confident in Conifer's ability to deliver long term value to our shareholders. And with that, I'd like to invite any questions you may have. Operator? Operator00:09:09We will now begin the question and answer session. There appear to be no questions at this time, which concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Nick Petcoff for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:10:01Thank you. We appreciate your time and interest in the company and invite anyone to reach out to us with any questions that you may have. Appreciate your time today. Thank you. Operator00:10:12The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. 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The company serves the commercial insurance needs of owner-operated businesses in the markets, such as hospitality, which includes restaurants, bars, taverns, and bowling centers, as well as small grocery and convenience stores; artisan contractors comprising plumbers, painters, carpenters, electricians, and other independent contractors; and security service providers, including companies that provide security guard services, security alarm products and services, and private investigative services. It offers specialty homeowners insurance products, such as low- value dwelling insurance tailored for owners of lower valued homes in Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, and Texas; and wholesale agency services comprising commercial and personal lines insurance products for its insurance company subsidiaries, as well as third party insurers. Conifer Holdings, Inc. markets and sells its insurance products through a network of independent agents in 50 states in the United States. 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There are 4 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, and welcome to the Conifer Holdings 4th Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Brian Rohney. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:38Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Conifer issued a press release relating to its 2023 Q4 financial results after the close of market yesterday. You can find copies of the earnings release on the company's website, ir. Cnfrh.com. The slide presentation accompanying management's remarks this morning is available to view or download via webcast or from the Investor Relations section of Conifer's website. Speaker 100:01:09Before we get started, please note that except with regard to historical information, statements made in this conference call may constitute forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws, including statements relating to trends, the company's operations and financial results, and the business and the products of the company and its subsidiaries. Actual results may differ materially from the results anticipated in these forward looking statements due to various risks and uncertainties underlying our forward looking statements as described from time to time in Conifer's filings with the SEC, including our latest Form 10 ks and reports. Conifer specifically disclaims any obligation to update or revise any forward looking statements whether as a result of new information, future developments or otherwise. In addition, a replay of this call will be provided through a link on the Investor Relations section of our website. During this call, we'll also discuss non GAAP financial measures as defined by SEC Regulation G. Speaker 100:02:14Reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measures to the comparable GAAP financial measures are included when possible in our earnings release and our historical SEC filings. Statutory accounting data is prepared in accordance with statutory accounting rules and is therefore not reconciled to GAAP. We will conduct a Q and A session after management's prepared remarks this morning. With that, I'll turn the call over to Nick Petcoff, our Chief Executive Officer. Nick? Speaker 200:02:43Thanks, Brian, and good morning, everyone. Also on the call with us today is our CFO, Harold Meloche. As we close the chapter on 2023, I want to take a moment to provide some insight into the numbers we've reported for the full year. The absolute majority of our total reported loss was actually realized in the Q4 alone and was the result of a strategic decision on our part. In the Q4, we made the conscious decision to further strengthen our overall reserves by fully booking to our outside actuaries point estimate. Speaker 200:03:13Given the magnitude of the financial impact, this decision was not taken lightly. But we do believe it was prudent to ensure the long term stability of our company and to protect against further development in the future. Another factor affecting financial performance during the year was the impact of convective storms on our personal lines book of business in Oklahoma in particular. Our Texas personal lines book also saw storms in the year, but generally performed much better overall. As a result, even after several solidly performing years prior, we made the decision to reduce the overall storm risk and non renew our Oklahoma book, which is now in runoff. Speaker 200:03:50As for personal lines going forward, we do expect to continue underwriting the low valued homeowners business written in Texas and in the Midwest. These regions have proven to be reliable sources of revenue for our company and we recognize the importance of maintaining presence in these markets. We remain committed to serving the needs of homeowners in these regions by providing them with reliable and affordable insurance coverage. We believe that by continuing to underwrite profitable business in Texas and the Midwest, we can remain well positioned for long term success. For the full year 2023, our personal lines production was roughly 26% of total premiums written with the remaining 74% of premium coming from commercial lines. Speaker 200:04:31As for commercial lines, we have made a significant strategic shift in revenue recognition models in 2023 and beyond. Whereby in years past we had employed a risk retention model utilizing our operating insurance companies to write and retain underwriting risk for commercial lines premium, we have just moved to a production based revenue model through our wholly owned managing general agency Conifer Insurance Services or CIS. With that in mind for commercial lines production, we have decided to transition away from the limitations of a carrier based revenue model and instead embrace the managing general agency production based revenue approach. This ship represents a fundamental change in how we do business and it is one that we believe will position us for long term success and sustainability. Under this new model, starting in the Q2 of 2024, substantially all of our commercial lines business will be directly written by 3rd party insurers with A. Speaker 200:05:26M. Best ratings of A- or better. Utilizing 3rd party A rated capacity providers for our MGA produced business will provide a much broader reach for existing profitable programs. Further, it will empower us to ensure a sustainable business model going forward, one that is more focused on commission revenue and less on risk retention through our subsidiary carriers. When looking to the future and across the insurance landscape, it has become increasingly clear that we need to adapt to a production based world in order to thrive in a rapidly changing market. Speaker 200:05:58With that in mind, as outlined in several press releases earlier this week, we are pleased to partner with both Palomar and Accelerant to provide A rated paper to our commercial lines and shirts going forward. Both of those partners will allow us to better meet our customers' overall needs and extend our reach in the profitable markets that we serve best. I want to assure our shareholders, policyholders and partners that this transition has been managed thoughtfully and responsibly. We are working closely with all stakeholders to ensure a smooth and seamless transition, minimizing any disruptions to our operations and maintaining the high standards of service and integrity that remain our company's hallmark. Thank you for your continued support as we embark on this exciting new chapter in Conifer's journey. Speaker 200:06:42Our commitment to excellence, integrity and transparency continues to drive every decision we make. And with that, I'll pass the call over to Harold to discuss the numbers. Harold? Speaker 300:06:51Thank you, Nick. I'll provide a brief over cap of the financial results, and I encourage investors to review our filings and presentation on the company's website for greater detail. With Dick having detailed the premium breakout, I will focus on the underwriting results. For the year 2023, our overall combined ratio was 135% compared to 122% during the same period last year. The accident year combined ratio for the Q4 was 132% and 114% for the full year 2023. Speaker 300:07:28The expense ratio for the full year of 2023 was 37%, down from 38% for the full year of 2022 and nearly reaching our target expense ratio of 35%. Net investment income was $1,400,000 during the 4th quarter, up 27 percent from $1,100,000 in the prior year period. Our investments remain conservatively managed with the vast majority of our investable assets and fixed income securities with an average credit quality of AA plus and average duration of 2.9 years and a growing tax equivalent yield of 3.3%. Overall, the company reported a net loss of $19,500,000 or $1.59 per share for the 4th quarter and compared to a net income of $2,100,000 or $0.17 per share in the prior year period. The company reported an adjusted operating loss of $19,500,000 or $1.59 per share, compared to an adjusted operating loss of $1,300,000 or $0.10 per share in the prior year period. Speaker 300:08:39Moving to the balance sheet, total assets were $312,000,000 at quarter end, with cash and total investments of 156,000,000 dollars And with that, I'll turn it back over to Nick for closing remarks. Speaker 200:08:54Thanks, Harold. In closing, I want to emphasize that as we move forward, I remain confident in Conifer's ability to deliver long term value to our shareholders. And with that, I'd like to invite any questions you may have. Operator? Operator00:09:09We will now begin the question and answer session. There appear to be no questions at this time, which concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Nick Petcoff for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:10:01Thank you. We appreciate your time and interest in the company and invite anyone to reach out to us with any questions that you may have. Appreciate your time today. Thank you. Operator00:10:12The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by