Agilysys Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Agilysys has completed the long-term transformation of all core products into cloud-native solutions and built a comprehensive ecosystem of modular software for the hospitality industry.
  • The company reported its 9th consecutive record revenue quarter and a record FY24 revenue of $237.5 million (up 19.9%), with subscription revenue rising 29.6% and services revenue up 39.2%, driving recurring revenue to 58.1% of the total.
  • Fiscal 2024 was a record year for subscription software and services sales (each up ~10% from FY23); Americas Hotels & Resorts grew 16%, APAC sales increased ~45%, and U.S. gaming casinos remain the largest vertical.
  • In Q4, Agilysys signed 12 new customers—its highest average contract value to date (25% above the previous record)—with multi-product deals (POS averaging 2.3 modules; PMS averaging 10), added 70 net new properties, and saw over 90% of deals subscription-based.
  • For FY25, management expects 16–18% revenue growth to $275–280 million, at least 27% subscription revenue growth, and an adjusted EBITDA margin of ~16% as it continues investing in sales, services and cloud infrastructure.
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Earnings Conference Call
Agilysys Q4 2024
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There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Agilisys' 2024 Fourth Quarter and Full Fiscal Year Conference Call. As a reminder, today's conference may be recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jessica Hennessy, Senior Director of Corporate Strategy and Investor Relations at Agilysys. You may begin.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Michelle, and good afternoon, everybody. Thank you for joining the Agilysys 2024 Q4 and full fiscal year conference call. We will get started in just a moment with management's comments, but before doing so, let me read the Safe Harbor language. Some statements made on today's call will be predictive and are intended to be made as forward looking within the Safe Harbor protections of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including statements regarding our financial guidance. Although the company believes that its forward looking statements are based on reasonable assumptions, such statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause results to differ materially.

Speaker 1

Important factors that could cause actual results to vary materially from these forward looking statements include our ability to meet the software needs of the hospitality industry, our ability to drive sales and increase market share, our ability to maintain profitability levels and the risks set forth in the company's reports on Form 10 ks and 10 Q and other reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. As a friendly reminder, any references to record financial business levels during this call refer only to the time period after Agilis has made the transformation to an entirely hospitality focused software solutions company in fiscal year 2014. With that, I'd now like to turn the call over to Mr. Ramesh Srinivasan, President and CEO of Agilysys. Ramesh, please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jess. Good evening. Welcome to the fiscal 2024 Q4 and full year earnings call. Joining Jess and me on the call today at our Atlanta headquarters is Dave Wood, our CFO. We are pleased to report our 9th consecutive record revenue quarter and another successful fiscal year with record revenue and profitability levels.

Speaker 2

We have now started not only a new fiscal year, but a new era in our organization's history. We are happy to have completed the long and arduous period of reengineering and modernizing all our core products, converting each of them into a state of the art cloud native software solution, while simultaneously also creating an ecosystem of cloud native software modules around the core products, making our offerings as complete and end to end solution set as there is in the hospitality industry today. We are now focused externally on creating high value for customers with implementations involving these modern solution sets. Customer requirements are now being fulfilled at a fast pace and many hospitality properties are benefiting from the kind of integrated modern solutions this industry has been eagerly waiting for. Let me cover sales first before moving to revenue and other details.

Speaker 2

Please note that all our sales and selling success related numbers are measured in annual contract value terms. Please also note that the Marriott point of sale POS agreement announced recently is not included in any of the sales and backlog numbers discussed here. This agreement will be reflected in sales and backlog numbers as individual properties select and sign up for our POS solution. Fiscal 2023, the year ending March 2023, was a record sales year and fiscal 2024, the year ending March 2024, was at about the same level despite a 12% decrease in product bookings. With respect to sales verticals, fiscal 2024 was a record year for the Americas Hotels and Resorts vertical, which is a crucial future growth area for us, growing by 16%, 1.6%, growing by 16% over fiscal 2023 levels.

Speaker 2

Sales to gaming casinos in the U. S. Remained the number one sales vertical during fiscal 2024, and APAC Asia Pacific sales was about 45% higher than the previous year, though still not back to record high levels yet. With respect to sales categories, fiscal 2024 was a record sales year for subscription software and services. Both subscription software and services sales levels during fiscal 2024 were about 10% higher than during fiscal 2023, which was the previous best year on record and about 30%, 30%, 30% higher than fiscal 2022 a couple of years ago.

Speaker 2

The services work we continue to perform for the Marriott Property Management System, PMS project, which is progressing according to plan, is reflected in our services revenue levels, but is not counted in services sales. Point of sale POS terminal hardware sales during fiscal 2024 declined compared to fiscal 2023 due to each unit of POS software sales during recent quarters, drawing in about 15% to 20% less terminal hardware sales than before. Our recent modernized versions of POS terminal software now support all major operating systems, Windows, iOS and Android, thereby giving customers more generic POS terminal hardware options, including iPads, iPad Minis, other consumer grade tablets and devices, which can be bought off the shelf, and sleek all in one handheld devices, which can be purchased from payment gateway vendors. Customers like such choice. POS Windows terminals, which we continue to resell, are still required for most of the POS work that enterprise food outlets need to perform, but to a lesser extent than a year or 2 ago.

Speaker 2

This is a good trend and gives our POS products and modules a clear competitive edge, enabling more subscription software sales, but is expected to put pressure on one time product revenue, a majority of which is made up of hardware revenue. We are now one of the approved POS vendors for all Marriott properties in the U. S. And Canada. While this is a hunting license and we currently don't have an estimate of how many of these thousands of properties have a need to change out their POS solution.

Speaker 2

How many of such properties we will be able to win and over what time period? While all that is difficult to estimate at this stage, the agreement does open up another significant POS sales growth revenue for us. With respect to signed sales agreements during January to March Q4, we added 12 new customers and all twelve agreements were either partially or fully subscription based. Though the number of new customers added this quarter was lower than our recent range of 15 to 20 per quarter, the total value of new customer sales agreements signed this quarter was close to twice as high as Q4 last fiscal year when 15, 15 new customers were added. Each POS agreement signed with new customers this quarter included an average of 2.3 products, while each PMS customer agreement included as many as 10 products and software modules.

Speaker 2

This was our best quarter ever with respect to new customer average annual contract value deal size, about 25% higher than the previous record highest quarter and about 2.5 times as high as Q4 last year. We also added 70, seven-zero, 70 new properties during the quarter, which did not have any of our products before, but the parent company was already our customer. Of the 82 new properties added during the quarter across new and current customers, more than 90% 90% were either partially or fully subscription software license based. There were also 65 instances of selling at least one additional product to properties, which already had one of our other products. These 65 instances involve sales of a total of 158 products.

Speaker 2

Full fiscal year 2024 was our best year thus far with respect to total annual contract value of sales wins involving new customers and was about 40%, that's 40%, 40% higher than the previous fiscal year. Fiscal 2024 was also our best year with respect to average deal size of agreements with new customers, again about 40%, four-zero, 40% higher than the previous year. Before moving on to revenue related details, a couple of quick comments on the Inspire user conference held during the last week of March at Red Rock Casino, Las Vegas. It clearly was our best one yet. There were a record number of customer attendees and the overall show was of an entirely higher class than before.

Speaker 2

Thanks to the excellent work done by our marketing team in taking the main stage and other presentations to world class levels. Also, of course, we had a lot more product progress to talk about. If we had to pick out a couple of highlights, one would be our decision this year to include for the first time leading hospitality industry consultants who are involved in many RFPs and other system selection processes for customers. The second and the biggest highlight was the 8 different sessions during the conference that were conducted by industry leader customers across the gaming casinos, resorts, hotels and cruise ships verticals. 4 of the 8 sessions involve recent success stories related to the property management system PMS family of products.

Speaker 2

2 of the 8 presentations were led by international customers. This is the highest number of customer led sessions we have had in our annual user conference thus far. Customers getting on stage to explain the extraordinary additional value their employees and guests are getting after moving to the Agilysys ecosystem of products was powerful. Now on to revenue. Fiscal 2024 Q4 revenue was a record $62,200,000 17.6 percent that is 1.7 percent, 17.6 percent higher than the comparable prior year quarter.

Speaker 2

Q4 subscription and services revenue were both records and grew by 31.6% and 43.9%, respectively, from the comparable prior year quarter. Q4 subscription revenue was a record 57% of total recurring revenue. In absolute number terms, Q4 subscription revenue grew by $5,000,000 year over year, which is the highest level of quarterly year over year growth we have seen until now. Recurring revenue has now increased sequentially for 15, 15 consecutive quarters. Full fiscal year 2024 revenue was a record $237,500,000 19.9 percent, that is 19.9 percent higher than the previous year.

Speaker 2

This revenue included $138,100,000 in recurring revenue, 16.7%, that is 1.6%, 16.7% higher than the previous year. Full year 2024 subscription and services revenue were both records and grew by 29.6% and 39.2%, respectively, from the previous year. Continued growth in services revenue is a good indicator of the extent of implementations we are currently involved in, which should drive future recurring revenue growth, especially future subscription revenue growth since an overwhelming majority of them are cloud SaaS installations. Each of the fiscal 2024 quarters, Q1, Q2, Q3 and Q4 were record quarters at the time with respect to the combined ARR value of subscription projects implemented in the field. Fiscal 2024 Q4 was our best quarter thus far with respect to services margins at 34.5%.

Speaker 2

As our products continue to improve, become more desired in the hospitality industry and also become easier to implement and support, we should be able to continue to do well with services revenue and margin levels. Multi product implementations, which is more than norm now, are more consultative by nature as customers turn to us to lead and implement property wide system transformation initiatives, replacing several competitive vendors with multiple solutions from our ecosystem. With respect to international regions, fiscal 2024 Q4 was our best quarter thus far and full fiscal year 2024 was the best year on record for international revenue. Still relatively smaller numbers and international regions continue to represent big potential growth areas for us. Focusing a bit on the full fiscal 2024, dollars 75,500,000 of subscription revenue, which has grown by close to 30,000,000 30, by close to 30,000,000 during the past couple of years, Slightly more than half of that growth has come from POS and POS related modules.

Speaker 2

Subscription revenue from PMS and PMS related modules have increased by more than 90%, nine-0% during these 2 years. And about 1 fourth of the overall subscription revenue growth has come from the PMS side of the equation. The remaining one fourth of subscription revenue growth during these 2 years has come from other products, including software modules pertaining to inventory and procurement for food and beverage and payments. Subscription revenue from the 20 plus state of the art add on experience enhancer software modules were 18.2%, that is 18.2% of total subscription revenue in fiscal 2024. Customers continue to appreciate the high value they get from these add on modules, which make it exponentially easier for them to manage various complex integration points and greatly benefit from the significantly higher pace of innovation and higher ability to meet their business needs when most of the required core products and additional modules are managed by 1 technology provider with 1 unified product roadmap.

Speaker 2

Shifting the focus to fiscal 2025. We've entered this new fiscal year with a record services backlog level and a subscription revenue backlog level that is at about 85% of the level we entered fiscal 2024 with. Product implementation services efficiencies have increased, which has helped us convert much of the previously pending backlog to revenue. However, the 3rd element of the backlog, product backlog, entering fiscal 2025 is far short of the levels we saw last year. Despite this lower starting product backlog level, increasing sales levels and several recent significant sales successes, which have not been converted into backlog yet, should ensure another good revenue growth year with an expanding shift towards subscription and services revenue.

Speaker 2

We expect fiscal 2025 revenue to grow between 16% 18%, 1.6% and 1.8%, between 16% 18% and be in the range of $275,000,000 to $280,000,000 driven among other factors by year over year subscription revenue growth of at least 27%. Fiscal 2024 profitability levels worked out to be higher than our original expectations at the beginning of the year. Q4 adjusted EBITDA was 17.6 percent, 17.6 percent and full fiscal year 2024 adjusted EBITDA was 15.6%. We expect profitability levels to remain consistent throughout fiscal 2025 as we continue to make the required investments to execute well on projects pertaining to revenue growth beyond fiscal 2025 and on making the required expansion across various business areas, including sales and marketing, services, support, information security and cloud infrastructure. We expect fiscal 2025 adjusted EBITDA levels to be at 16.16% to be at 16% of revenue.

Speaker 2

With that, let me hand the call over to Dave for further color on our financial and operational results.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Ramesh. Taking a look at our financial results beginning with the income statement, 4th quarter fiscal 2024 revenue was a quarterly record of 62,200,000 dollars a 17.6% increase from total net revenue of $52,900,000 in the comparable prior year period. One time revenue consisting of products and professional services was up 19.1% over the prior year quarter, while recurring revenue was up 16.6% over the prior year quarter. As a result of the continued momentum in our business, we are pleased to see 19.9 percent total revenue growth year over year with all three product lines increasing over the prior fiscal year. During fiscal 2024 compared to the previous year, product revenue increased 12.5%, professional services increased by 39.2% and recurring revenue increased 16.7%.

Speaker 3

Now that subscription revenue is well over 50% of our total recurring revenue, we are pleased subscription revenue growth of 29 point percent is driving continued overall recurring revenue growth. We remain extremely pleased with our professional services and subscription sales, which were both at record levels in Q4. At the end of fiscal year 2024, each customer property install had an average of 2.2 products compared to 2.0 products per customer property at the end of FY 2023. We remain confident as we enter the execution phase of the business with so many products remaining to be sold to existing and new customers. Professional services increased 43.9% over the prior year quarter to a record 14,700,000 dollars Professional services backlog increased slightly back to record levels despite record professional services revenue.

Speaker 3

Most of our professional services revenue is related to current period projects contributing to the acceleration of subscription revenue. Development associated with larger projects with the corresponding subscription revenue happening in future years was less than 10% for the year, but was 11% in Q4 due to timing and number of enhancements delivered in the quarter. Total recurring revenue represented 58.8 percent of total net revenues for the fiscal Q4 and 58.1% for the full year compared to 59.3% 59.7% of total net revenue in the Q4 and full year fiscal 2023. Recurring revenue as a percentage of total revenue remained around the same level as FY2023 despite a 24 point 6% increase in one time revenue mainly due to growth in professional services revenue. Subscription revenue grew at 31.6 percent for the Q4 of fiscal 202429.6 percent for the full fiscal year.

Speaker 3

Subscription revenue comprised over 57% of total recurring revenue compared to 50.6% of total recurring revenue in the Q4 of fiscal 2020 Subscription revenue increased sequentially $1,400,000 from the Q3 of fiscal 2024, which was slightly above our quarter to quarter growth expectations. Q4 subscription revenue growth contributed to subscription revenue for the full fiscal year being slightly above our expectations for 2024. Moving down the income statement. Gross profit was $38,300,000 compared to $32,200,000 in the Q4 of fiscal 2023. Gross profit margin was 61.5 percent compared to 60.8% in the Q4 of fiscal 2023.

Speaker 3

For the fiscal year, gross margin was 60.7% compared to 61% in the prior year period. The full year decrease in gross margin is mostly due to professional services revenue being higher than expected in fiscal year 2024 and the associated ramp of the professional services team in the first half of the fiscal year. Combined, the 3 main operating expense line items product development, sales and marketing and general and administrative expenses when excluding stock based compensation were 43.9 percent of revenue in the fiscal 2024 Q4 compared to 45.6 percent of revenue in the prior year quarter and in line with our FY 2024 plan. Excluding stock based compensation for the full fiscal year 2024 product development decreased to 18.7% compared to 21.7% of revenue in the prior fiscal year. General and administrative expenses reduced from 12.7% to 11.9% of revenue, while sales and marketing increased from 11.1% of revenue to 13.3% of revenue as we continue to expand our sales and marketing capacity.

Speaker 3

Combined, the 3 main operating expense line items product development, sales and marketing and general and administrative expenses, excluding stock based compensation were 45.2 percent of revenue this fiscal year compared to 45.8% of revenue in FY2023. Operating income for the Q4 of $3,500,000 net income of $3,000,000 and gain per diluted share of $0.11 are slightly less than the prior year 4th quarter gain of $3,400,000 $3,600,000 and $0.14 Adjusted net income normalizing for certain non cash and non recurring charges of $9,000,000 compares favorably to adjusted net income of $6,900,000 in the prior year Q4 and adjusted diluted earnings per share of $0.32 compares favorably to $0.26 For the 2024 Q4, adjusted EBITDA was $11,000,000 compared to $8,100,000 in the year ago quarter. And for the full year fiscal 2024 adjusted EBITDA was $37,100,000 compared to 30,300,000 dollars We are pleased to see our profitability levels end up well ahead of our original FY 2024 plan with adjusted EBITDA coming in at 15.6 percent of revenue. Moving to the balance sheet and cash flow statements. Cash and marketable securities as of March 31, 2024 was $144,900,000 compared to $112,800,000 on March 31, 2023.

Speaker 3

We remain comfortable with our current levels of cash. As it relates to free cash flow, we are pleased to see an increase for the full fiscal year. Free cash flow in the quarter was $29,300,000 compared to $13,100,000 in the prior year quarter and $40,100,000 for the full fiscal year compared to $27,200,000 in the prior year. As we said in the past, adjusted EBITDA and free cash flow after normalizing the impact of CapEx continue to be good proxies for health of the business. Full fiscal year 2024 free cash flow was higher than adjusted EBITDA due to timing of some working capital adjustments.

Speaker 3

For our fiscal year 2025, we expect revenue to be in the 275 $1,000,000 to $280,000,000 range. We expect product revenue to come down 5% to 10% as customers continue to purchase consumer grade hardware for the new modern solutions. Professional services remains the best leading indicator of the business and should grow north of 30%. Recurring revenue will continue to grow with similar growth rates as FY 2024 inclusive of subscription growth rates of at least 27%. One time and recurring revenue mix is expected to stay consistent through fiscal 2025 despite a shift from product to professional services revenue.

Speaker 3

Adjusted EBITDA will increase moderately to 16% of revenue as we continue to invest in large customer and other growth initiatives. In closing, we are pleased with our 2024 financial results and the solid business fundamentals for future revenue growth. With that, I will now turn the call back over to Ramesh.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Dave. In summary, we are pleased with the progress our business is making, especially with respect to subscription and services revenue. The balance sheet remains clean and is getting stronger. With virtually all the product reengineering and modernization work now completed, we are at an excellent competitive position with a strong ecosystem of state of the art cloud native hospitality focused software solutions. We are off to a good sales start in fiscal 2025 with the highest level of sales success measured in annual contract value terms during the 1st 6 weeks of any fiscal year so far with new opportunities recently signed opening additional paths for sales growth during the rest of the year.

Speaker 2

While we have provided guidance only for fiscal 2025, we also have a fair degree of visibility for revenue growth beyond the current fiscal year related to the sales success we've already had and the continuing investments we are making towards projects which involve implementations and subscription revenue generation in future years. The turnaround phase of Agilysys is now over and fully behind us. We are happy to get our next growth phase started. There are not too many world class technology providers serving this industry now with the kind of product breadth and depth we are bringing to the market and with our pace of innovation and steadfast focus on customer service. We have a good, clean, profitable growth runway ahead of us.

Speaker 2

With that, Michelle, let's open up the call for questions.

Operator

Thank Our first question is going to come from the line of Mayank Tandon with Needham and Company. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hey, guys. This is actually Sam on for Mayank today. Thanks for taking the questions here and good to see another nice quarter. I have a quick question on the outlook. Could you guys talk about how we should think about the margin trajectory throughout the coming year?

Speaker 4

And maybe just give us a quick reminder on where we are in terms of the ramp down for implementation related to the Marriott deal?

Speaker 3

Yes, I think hey Sam, I think the margin outlook will look pretty similar in FY 2025 as it does in FY 2024. I mean we expect margin we ended the year just under 61%. Margin will probably up a little bit, but be in the same range for next year as we continue to provide some more professional services in FY 2025 before we get the benefit of the subscription revenue, which will start in subsequent years. So largely the gross margin profile will look similar to this year.

Speaker 4

Got it. Okay. And then in terms of EBITDA margins, would that still be like second half loaded similar to this year or would that be smoother?

Speaker 3

Yes. It will be smoother than last year, but in our business, there's just always more cost than in Q1 and Q2. We just have Odyssey's and other professional fees that hit in the first half of the year. We have just there's more trade shows in the summertime than in the wintertime. So it's always it will be less dramatic than last year, but it's there's always a little bit more cost in the first half of the year than the second half of the year.

Speaker 4

Got it. All right. Awesome. Thanks guys. Appreciate it.

Operator

Thank you. And one moment as we move on to our next question. And our next question is going to come from the line of Matt Van Veit with BTIG. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question. I guess when you look at the investments you've made both in APAC, which you called out as having a very strong year still recovering as well as Europe, Where are you in terms of ongoing investments there and sort of hitting full stride to where you feel like you're at the run rate that you're going to achieve ultimately?

Speaker 2

Yes. Hi, Matt. It's not so much a matter of investments. Our sales team is fully grown there. We have everything we need in that business, which of course we'll continue to grow.

Speaker 2

Like in certain other areas of our business, the main challenge is to establish ourselves as a modern provider now. We have not had that greater reputation in APAC before. And also, we have a couple of formidable competitors who also tend to do very low price selling as well. So it's a matter of establishing ourselves, building enough reference customers and that is growing. We came a long way in FY 2024 compared to FY 2023.

Speaker 2

We have a couple of marquee implementations there that have gone well and we have a couple more coming up. So it's a matter of establishing our reputation, establishing our trust as a modern provider because many of our new versions are quite young and they need a little bit of time to establish themselves in the field, especially in APAC and EMEA where we have not had a great presence before. So growth in international regions is a matter of having more of those implementations, creating more reference customers, having a reputation, having the trust flow and then that business will continue to flow. The required investments, the products are all in a pretty good place, Matt. We'll continue adding to the sales team as required.

Speaker 4

Okay, very helpful. And when you look at the opportunity, whether it's in the gaming space in the U. S. Or just longer term across the U. S.

Speaker 4

Hotel and resort space,

Speaker 5

how much,

Speaker 4

I guess, near term pipeline do you have for the property management side? How much of the performance this quarter of an average of 10 modules there? Do you feel like it's sort of a normal deal size that we can push on the go forward basis. So was there something unique about some of the deals this quarter that maybe we think about replicating in terms of the breadth of the platform today?

Speaker 2

So Matt, the breadth of the platform is in place now. There is no significant development investment we need to do apart from continuing our R and D efforts. So to just expand the answer a bit, Matt, there are avenues for growth. There are pathways for growth across every vertical we have, Including with respect to gaming, Casey knows where we have a pretty decent market share, the average number of products used per property like Dave told you is only 2.2, while we could multiply that by 4 or 5. Current customers, the new customers are buying 6 to 10 modules from us when they buy, which is why our deal size has expanded dramatically.

Speaker 2

So the main challenge ahead of us is these modern products are young. They are establishing themselves in the field. They are creating great value for customers. We were amazed that 8 of those customers came to our user conference to describe the kind of value they have created for themselves. Other than in gaming case, our market share is quite low, whether it is hotels, resorts, chains, cruise ships, managed food service providers, we have low market share.

Speaker 2

So there are a lot of avenues of growth. International, there's big avenues for growth. And PMS, we are only scratching the surface now. But every PMS deal we sign now is involving a multitude, multiple modules because they're all ready to go and they are all 1 by 1 best of breed, they are the best products in the industry today. It is just a matter of establishing more marquee implementations and gaining more reference customers.

Speaker 2

And also increasing deal sizes is also another revenue for growth for us. The deal sizes are increasing and that also really helps the sales numbers. So multiple avenues of growth and I have not even mentioned inorganic opportunities to you so far. We remain opportunistic. Here and there, we look at those opportunities, but organic growth itself, we have multiple different avenues in which we can grow.

Speaker 4

And then one just quick follow-up. Are you still realizing 20% to 50% uplift on the add on modules? Or how is pricing shaking out on some of those as you get deals with 6, 7, 8 of those that added on?

Speaker 2

Absolutely. The kind of uplift that we've had before, we continue to have. Only thing these add on modules are now better established in the field. So it is becoming easier for us to sell them. But the kind of financial uplift we get is along the lines that you mentioned, 20% to 50% is correct.

Speaker 4

All right. Wonderful. Thank you. Thank you, Matt.

Operator

Thank you. And one moment as we move on to our next question. And our next question is going to come from the line of Brian Schwartz with Oppenheimer and Company. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Great. Thank you for taking my questions this afternoon. Ramesh, I was hoping to drill down into the business performance with the record ACV in the quarter. Was that anchored at all by 1 or a couple of these huge deals or was it broadly distributed? And then can you also comment on maybe the big bookings mix, which is having a bigger impact, whether it's landing larger or the expansion activity?

Speaker 2

So the answer to your question, it's a broader base of the last couple of quarters have been good for us sales wise. We've had 2 consecutive pretty good sales quarters and they've all been more broad based. They've not been dependent on any one big customer. Classic singles and doubles, which have been very effective and now and then we do hit the whales as well. I'm sorry for mixing metaphors there, but lots of singles and doubles and now and then like you've seen the recent announcement big whales as well.

Speaker 2

So the sales successes continue to be broad based and we are building towards more PMS successes. So in terms of this product categories, we are building towards more PMS successes. So when the PMS successes happen, they tend to be big. Customers tend to buy a lot of modules, very high deal size. The same is true for POS as well, but in PMS, it is a lot more.

Speaker 2

So the answer to your question, the sales successes are broad based and each deal tends to be much bigger than what it used to be a year or 2.

Speaker 6

Great. And then the other comment you made about having record ACV, you gave us a little look into how the business is performing in the new fiscal year. And I was wondering if that record ACV in the 1st 6 weeks, was that also at a higher level than what the business generated in the last in the second half of fiscal 4Q?

Speaker 2

Yes. So what I meant to say was the start of the fiscal year, we have never had a better start than we are having now. And if you compare it quarter by quarter, it is among the best starts we've ever had for quarters. But typically, fiscal years don't start this well for us because the sales team tends to maximize sales towards the end of a fiscal year, like all sales teams do and the new fiscal year tends to be off to a slow start all the time. That is not the case this time.

Speaker 2

The 1st 6 weeks that this fiscal year has started is among the is the best start that we have ever had and it compares very favorably to any quarter start we've had for the 1st 6 weeks. And also to your previous question, it's broad based. It is not based on any one particular big win. It is quite broad based. And the Marriott POs agreement that we just announced now is not counted in that because there we have to sell to individual properties before they get counted in sales.

Speaker 6

The last question I had was in regards to service margins. We've seen 2 quarters in a row now where the service margin has been in the low to mid-30s and that's quite a bit higher than kind of the high 20% margin expectation, at least that I had in my model. So my question is on the sustainability of that. Do you think that that's a right level that we should be thinking about, for the business as we model it moving forward?

Speaker 3

Hey, Brian. I think high 20s is still the way to think about the business. I mean, certainly, if we're at a steady state, we like you've seen in the last 6 months, we could get into the 30% margin. But as the business continues to grow and we have periods of reinvesting in our in our professional services team, you'll see us go back down into the mid to high 20s. So we still think of it

Speaker 2

as a high 20s type margin profile, but we're certainly happy with the last 6 months on the steady state. And also one other comment on that, Brian. Services margins always in businesses like ours tends to improve as the products improve. As the products become easier to implement, as we do more multi product implementations, which are more consultative by nature, As the product quality continues to improve, the need for non billable work continues to decrease and margins tend to do better. So high 20s is a good expectation for now and it should continue improving from there.

Speaker 6

Thank you for taking my questions.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Brian.

Operator

Thank you. And one moment as we move on to our next question. And our next question is going to come from the line of George Sutton with Craig Hallum. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Thank you. Congratulations on the Marriott point of sale Honey license. I just wanted to have you walk through Ramesh, if you would. When you have the PMS side of the equation and now you're given and that is more of a mandate, you've got a point of sale hunting license. What is the benefit and certainly you operate within an ecosystem, what is the benefit of adding you as a point of sale vendor versus a third party?

Speaker 2

Yes. Hi, George. You should think of it, George, as 2 independent things. We are very happy that we are now an approved vendor, approved brand standard for both Hilton and Marriott, right? There's a lot of pride in that and we are very happy about that.

Speaker 2

But I would at this stage, George, think of them as 2 independent things. The PMS is a mandate for a certain number of properties, not for all the properties, but a certain number of properties and the POS agreement is a hunting license for all the U. S, Canada properties where food and beverage is relevant, which is thousands of properties. So there are 2 independent things. So I wouldn't think of it as a property is going to buy 1 because it has the other.

Speaker 2

Each bring independent value. But what we are building towards in the long term, George, that not just Marriott, but a lot of customers are thinking about is the benefit that the overall ecosystem brings. When you have an ecosystem of products from one vendor, it has its own benefits and our R and D in full force now is creating and maximizing those benefits. That is in the future. For now, I would think of them as 2 entirely independent agreements, Charles.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then one other question. When we were doing demos of your then new product a couple of years back, it was yet to really go GA. You had said that the real impact will come when we have reference customers for these newer products. So it's encouraging to hear that at the Inspire event, you had customers that effectively would be reference customers.

Speaker 5

Can you just update us on how far you are with the reference customer side on these newer products?

Speaker 2

Making great progress, George, but we still have a long way to go would be the way I would summarize that. For each of the core all the products are now state of the art. They are all based on modern technology. They're all cloud native and can also work on premise and all that good stuff. So all the products are established now and there are tens and in some cases hundreds of properties already live.

Speaker 2

And so the number of reference customers is getting better by the week, by the month, but we still have a long way to go. You need a wide range of reference customers who use it in various different ways in order to push further sales ahead. So from the time you saw the demos, Jaws, we have come a very long way with each and every one of these products. The number of reference customers are increasing by the week, by the month, and we are very keen on adding to a lot more of them, because we are competing, George, against products that don't compare in terms of technology or feature sets with us, but have been running for many years now, 5, 10, 15 years. So when you're competing with those kinds of products, you can never have enough reference customers.

Speaker 2

And that process is making very good progress for us.

Speaker 5

All right. I appreciate the thoughts. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Josh.

Operator

Thank you. And one moment as we move on to our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Nehal Chokshi with Northland Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Yes. Thank you and congrats on the strong set of results here. Dave, on your color on the fiscal year 2025 guide, why are you guiding professional services to grow faster than subscription revenue?

Speaker 5

Well, we're still in a

Speaker 3

period of where we're doing development for large customers with subscription in subsequent fiscal years. So you still see a bit of an outsized growth in services than subscription. And obviously, we expect that to flip back the other way starting in our fiscal year 'twenty six.

Speaker 7

Okay. So that implies that you will still be pulling from backlog as you exit fiscal year 2025?

Speaker 3

No. I mean sales in Q4 were at record levels. So backlog actually increased going into the fiscal year and most of it is just momentum of our current sales and our current pipeline. I mean, certainly, we have good visibility into the annual number with our backlog, but sales momentum is the main reason for the growth.

Speaker 7

Okay. All right. And then what sort of subscription revenue growth rate do you expect to deliver exiting fiscal year 'twenty five given guidance of at least 27%. Essentially what I'm asking is that are we are you expecting a linear step down in subscription revenue growth rate as we go through the quarters?

Speaker 3

No. I mean, we look at subscription revenue the same as we have in the past. I mean, it's 27% for the year. And certainly, I mean, we look at the business needs to do about $1,100,000 to $1,400,000 in sequential quarter over quarter go lots. And certainly some quarters should could be higher than others, but we feel like we'll be north of 27% for the year.

Speaker 2

Got it.

Speaker 4

And then Ramesh,

Speaker 7

it's been about 2 years since you did the ResortSuite acquisition. And given that there's evidence that multiples of acquisition targets are starting to come down in the technology space at least. Can you give us an indication of what type of ROIC did you see with the ResortSuite acquisition? Just sort of give us a sense as far as like has there been good success with the one acquisition that you've made during your tenure?

Speaker 2

Yes, Nehal, excellent success. We are very happy we did the Resource Suite acquisition. And apart from all the numbers, Nehal, just the great people that we got from that acquisition, Frank Pizzicallis, who is in our management team now and who handles all the PMS side of product strategy and they are part of the corporate strategy team as well, Frank is and all the great people that he brought in, right. So that's the biggest gain from the Resource Suite acquisition. And it has turned out to be an excellent acquisition for us is because number 1, we have retained and grown the recurring revenue quite well, despite the fact that we are not selling the Resource Suite products anymore in favor of Versa, Spa, Golf and all the other products that we have developed over the years that are cloud native.

Speaker 2

And many of their marquee customers are have switched over or in the process of switching over to Orsa and sales and catering and all the other products that we have. So we've gained a lot of great customers. We've gained a lot of great people. We have retained the recurring revenue and grown it a little bit as well. So it's all in all, it has worked out to be a great acquisition for us and given a chance, given such an opportunity, we would do it all over again, no question about it.

Speaker 2

Now as far as where that is leading us into other acquisitions, we are still being careful with it, Nehal. Our organic growth is looking so good for us. It has done so well. And we are focused on many large opportunities that have already been signed that we'll be converting to subscription revenue. So there is no use no need for us to use inorganic growth as a crutch.

Speaker 2

Organic growth is doing well. But we are opportunistically looking at opportunities that are coming our way, Niyal. We are being very careful with it. We are evaluating it correctly. And if another resource suite comes along, we will not hesitate in picking it up.

Speaker 7

Excellent. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Neha.

Operator

Thank you. And I would like to hand the conference back over to Ramesh for any further closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Thank you, Michelle. Thank you for participating and for your interest and support. We look forward to talking to you again in a couple of months from now towards the end of July when we will be reporting on Q1 fiscal 2025 results. Good evening and thank you.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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