NASDAQ:ABOS Acumen Pharmaceuticals Q1 2024 Earnings Report $1.06 +0.01 (+0.47%) As of 03:47 PM Eastern This is a fair market value price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Acumen Pharmaceuticals EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.25Consensus EPS -$0.23Beat/MissMissed by -$0.02One Year Ago EPS-$0.28Acumen Pharmaceuticals Revenue ResultsActual RevenueN/AExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/AAcumen Pharmaceuticals Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2024Date5/20/2024TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateTuesday, May 14, 2024Conference Call Time8:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Acumen Pharmaceuticals Q1 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 14, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Acumen Pharmaceuticals First Quarter 2024 Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. Operator00:00:27I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Alex Braun, Vice President and Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:35Thanks, Norma. Good morning, and welcome to the Acumen conference call to discuss our business update and financial results for the quarter ended March 31, 2024. With me today are Dan O'Connell, our CEO and Matt Zuga, our CFO and Chief Business Officer. Dan and Matt have some prepared remarks, and then we'll open the call for questions. Joining for the Q and A session, we also have Doctor. Speaker 100:00:59Jim Dougherty, our President and Chief Development Officer and Doctor. Eric Siemers, our Chief Medical Officer. Before we begin, we encourage listeners to go to the Investors section of the Acumen website to find our press release issued this morning that we'll discuss today. Please note that during today's conference call, we may make forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws, including statements concerning our financial outlook and expected business plans. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those described in the forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:35Please see Slide 2 of our corporate presentation, press release issued this morning and our most recent annual and quarterly reports filed with the SEC for important risk factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied in the forward looking statements. We undertake no obligation to update or revise the information provided on this call or in the accompanying presentation as a result of new information or future results or developments. So with that, I'll turn the call over to Dan. Speaker 200:02:06Thanks, Alex. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us today. As we noted on our year end call in March, 2024 is a year of execution for Acumen as we work to establish the therapeutic potential of subornitag as a best in class treatment option for the substantial early Alzheimer's patient population. I'm pleased to say that we were off to a great start with the first patient dosed in our ALTITUDE AD Phase 2 study announced just last week. ALTITUDE is a randomized placebo controlled double blind study with 3 arms designed to evaluate the clinical efficacy and safety of subornitag with approximately 180 participants per arm for a total of 5.40 participants with MCI or mild dementia due to Alzheimer's disease. Speaker 200:02:54We are highly encouraged by the start of the ALTITUDE study, which we attribute to a couple of key factors. First, we received positive feedback from site investigators on our Phase 1 INTERCEPT results. The thoroughness of the INTERCEPT data package appears to be resonating, particularly the confluence of biomarker improvements we saw in patients after only 3 doses. 2nd, the design of the ALTITUDE study has been viewed favorably by many investigators and patients. Because our Phase 1 oligomer target engagement data was so informative, we are proceeding in Phase 2 with 2 dose arms that may prove efficacious. Speaker 200:03:29So patients have a greater chance of receiving a therapeutically relevant dose level of subunitab. Additionally, the open label extension is providing proving to be important to patients in the screening process as it provides for 12 months of subunitog active treatment following the 18 month placebo controlled portion of the study. Overall, I'm extremely pleased with the strong foundation that our team and CRO partner have built with key trial sites, highlighting the benefits of preparation, communication for screening and enrollment efficiency. In addition, we also recently announced collaboration agreement with Lonza for manufacturing of subunitope for clinical development and commercialization should it be approved. This is important because it allows us to leverage Lonza's regulatory expertise, extensive experience in antibody manufacturing and global manufacturing network. Speaker 200:04:21We are also on track to initiate a Phase 1 study in healthy subjects for a subcutaneous formulation of subcutaneous formulation of subunitung in mid-twenty 24. We believe a competitive product profile for Subernatog includes a subcutaneous option to offer additional flexibility and convenience for patients and caregivers. We'll provide more information on the plan for that work stream once we have the PK results in hand. We remain committed to delivering on our strategic priority to efficiently and thoughtfully advance the clinical development of subornitab for the benefit of patients, caregivers and shareholders. I look forward to updating you as we work to achieve ALTITUDE AD Phase 2 data that we believe will provide the true value inflection for the subirnatog program. Speaker 200:05:03And with that, I'll turn the call over to Matt for the financials. Speaker 300:05:09Thanks, Dan. As a reminder, our Q1 2024 financial results are available in the press release we issued this morning and in our 10 Q we will file later today. As of March 31, we had approximately $297,000,000 in cash and marketable securities on our balance sheet and continue to expect that cash runway to last into the first half of twenty twenty seven. R and D expenses were $12,400,000 in the Q1. The increase over the prior year was primarily due to the increased spending to support the ALTITUDE AD trial. Speaker 300:05:49G and A expenses were $5,300,000 in the quarter with the increase over the prior year primarily the result of increased headcount. This led to a loss from operations of $17,800,000 in the quarter. We are off to a strong start with ALTITUDE AD. We are well capitalized to execute on the study and to develop a subcutaneous formulation of subunitug. We are committed to delivering on the opportunity ahead of us and look forward to providing additional updates this year as we advance subunitug for the benefit of patients, caregivers and shareholders. Speaker 300:06:26And with that, we can open the call for Q and A. Operator? Thank Operator00:06:48And our first question will come from the line of Tom Schroeder with BTIG. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:06:54Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. I have a couple of quick ones. First for Matt, is R and D about stable now or are we expecting it to go up significantly? I know you're probably early in enrollment, but you probably had some upfront costs. Speaker 400:07:10So where is R and D now compared to what you expect over maybe the next 2 years? Speaker 500:07:16It's going to trend up Speaker 300:07:17for the next couple of quarters and then flatten out and then go down. So it's but if you notice R and D this quarter was more than any quarter that we ever had and it's going to keep it's going to go up and sort of plateau for a couple of quarters and then come down. Speaker 400:07:36Okay, perfect. And then on the subcu formulation, do you have a sense of what you're looking for? Is the general idea here to do a quick study, show you can match AUC and then maybe wait for the field to figure out if AUC is really the deliverable for a subcu antibody? Is that kind of the plan? Thank you. Speaker 200:08:01Thanks, Tom. This is Dan. I'll just quickly comment on that. Maybe Jim or Eric might care. I think for us right now, I think the important thing is getting the healthy volunteer study up and evaluating the PK. Speaker 200:08:12And I think there is considerable optionality to observe sort of where the field heads both from a clinical and regulatory perspective. So I think we're still sort of in the TBD as to the next step for subcu, but certainly want to get these Phase 1 results in hand as quickly as possible? Speaker 500:08:30Yes. And maybe just quickly, yes, for the first study in healthy volunteers, I think that the goal was really just a batch AUC. The next study, which would occur in patients, we haven't developed that plan that designed that completely by any means. But since it will be in patients, then we have a lot of other options in terms of biomarkers and target engagement and other things that we did in our INTERCEPT study. But this first study is just based on AUC. Speaker 400:09:01Okay, great. Thank you. Operator00:09:03Thank you. One moment for our next question please. Our next question will come from the line of Paul Matteis with Stifel. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:09:14Hi there. This is James on for Paul. Thanks for taking question. And maybe just a follow-up on the subcu and just curious how you're kind of thinking has evolved. Do you think you can ultimately get to a plaque busting dose with the subcu or is the subcu more focused on the oligomers? Speaker 600:09:29Just kind of curious what your thoughts are there. And then also maybe just quickly, just curious what you think about or what you're most interested in the upcoming denanumab adcom and what you think some of the implications maybe for the broader A beta space? Thanks. Speaker 500:09:47Yes. Well, maybe I'll answer the first one and then pass it over to Dan for the second one or the others. But anyway, for the subcu, I don't think we look at that as being different than we saw in our INTERCEPT study in terms of plaque reduction versus oligomer target engagement. I mean, it's oligomer target engagement is something that's important for this antibody. But having some plaque reduction, as long as you can do it without a lot of ARIA isn't a bad thing either. Speaker 500:10:19So the goal from that standpoint is really no different with the subcu effort versus the IV effort that we had in our Phase 1 study. Speaker 200:10:31Thanks, Eric. And James, in terms of the AdCom for daneumab, I think that session will principally focus on 2 main concerns that the FDA has raised in terms of the treatment duration and the TAVR stratification. So those will be important discussions to have sort of in the public forum and I think they will likely have implications for label and market development. Ultimately, we do think that daneumab likely will be approved and will become a commercial marketer of a product in the Alzheimer's space, which we take as a positive as this is still sort of the early days of commercial infrastructure build and providing greater access to patients. So it certainly is it was a bit of a curveball for Lilly presumably, but I think that the ICOM should go reasonably well and continue to underpin the growth of this treatment modality. Speaker 600:11:32Makes sense. Thanks. Operator00:11:35Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Pete Stavropoulos with Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is now open. Speaker 700:11:46Hi. This is Samantha Schafer on the line for Pete. Now that you have presented the P1B data at multiple conferences and have extensively socialized the data, We're curious to hear if you have any updated thoughts on the potential mechanisms behind the lack of ARIA E in APOE homozygous and observed only in females. Is this pattern just by chance or is there a plausible mechanistic reasoning? Thanks for taking our question. Speaker 500:12:13Yes, let me go ahead. Those are really good questions and we've thought about them a lot. Of course, I'm not sure that we have an absolute answer to them. The fact that we didn't have any ARIA in APOE4 homozygous, first of all, obviously, it's really encouraging for this particular antibody. But mechanistically, why that would be, just to speculate, we could say not all plaques are exactly the same. Speaker 500:12:42Our antibody is targeting oligomers primarily with a little bit of plaque reduction and with some plaque reduction in addition. So I think as we learn more about sort of plaques in general at a biochemical level, that we're going to start finding more and more that there are differences in plaques and differences in the way antibodies bind to different forms of plaque. But then at this point, it's all speculation. Obviously, in our Phase 2 study, we're going to be looking really carefully for ARIA in APOE4 homozygotes. The question you raised about the fact that the ARIA cases were in women is a really good question. Speaker 500:13:30And interestingly, nobody has asked it before. But yes, we've thought about that. And again, it's kind of like the lack of ARIA in the E4 homozygous. It is a small study and that could be by chance the same as with the lack in the E4 homozygous. But it does make you scratch your head a bit. Speaker 500:13:52And I think as we start to understand more about sex differences in whether it's the efficacy of the antibodies or in this case, ARIA rates. There's just a lot that we don't know. And so that's another thing that we'll obviously keep a close eye on in our Phase II study, but really good question. Speaker 700:14:15Very helpful. Thank you so much. Operator00:14:18Thank Our next question comes from the line of Jason Zumansky with Bank of America. Your line is now open. Speaker 800:14:32Good morning. Thank you so much for taking our questions and congratulations on the progress. Curious as far as your enrollment expectations for ALTITUDE, especially given the availability of lekanumab and potentially dumetumab in the future. Can you talk a little bit about what you think the implications are and whether or not the availability of either both of those antibodies are going to impact what you see? And then a follow-up, if I may. Speaker 200:15:04Yes, Jason. So thanks for the question. And I think based on the scripted word portion of the call, we were highly encouraged with the early phase of the ALTITUDE study and encouraged that the rate of level of interest engagement from sites and how we're doing in the study generally. So I think for the moment, we feel really good about sort of the Phase 1 data informing and drawing patients' attention to the study. And I think as we we'll see where we get to as the dnatumumab approval and so forth. Speaker 200:15:39But right now, we are feeling pretty good about the rate of enrollment in ALDE2. Speaker 800:15:46Got it. And then as far as the subcutaneous formulation goes, is there a possibility or at least a protocol where you can use if the healthy volunteer study goes well, use that within ALTITUDE potentially. Is there some mechanism that would permit bringing that in or would you have to wait for a separate Speaker 500:16:15study? So I guess I take that one. Yes, in our case, theoretically, of course, it would be possible to try to put it into ALTITUDE, but ALTITUDE is a Phase 2 study. It's designed, it's completely designed. So I think that would be a challenge logistically to actually do. Speaker 500:16:39Again, what we will do after our healthy volunteer study for the subcu formulation is moved to patients. And again, we can do a lot of the same things that we're doing in the ALLO2 study. In fact, we probably will. But I don't think you would try to insert that into the actual Phase 2 ALTITUDE study. Speaker 800:17:04Got it. Thank you so much for the color. Operator00:17:07Thank you. And this concludes our Q and A portion. I'd like to hand the conference back over to Alex Braun for closing remarks. Speaker 100:17:14Thanks, Norma, and thanks for everyone for listening today. If you have any further questions, we're always available at the company. Please reach out. All right. Have a great day. Operator00:17:24This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Everyone, have a wonderful day.Read morePowered by Key Takeaways Acumen dosed the first patient in its ALTITUDE AD Phase 2 trial, a randomized, placebo-controlled study with ~540 participants to assess the efficacy and safety of subornitag in MCI or mild dementia due to Alzheimer’s disease. Positive Phase 1 INTERCEPT data showing early biomarker improvements after only three doses has driven the Phase 2 design, featuring two dose arms and a 12-month open-label extension to optimize therapeutic exposure. Acumen entered a collaboration with Lonza to manufacture subornitag for clinical development and potential commercialization, leveraging Lonza’s antibody production expertise and global network. The company plans to initiate a Phase 1 study of a subcutaneous formulation of subornitag in healthy volunteers in mid-2024 to offer greater dosing flexibility and convenience for patients and caregivers. In Q1 2024, Acumen held $297 million in cash and marketable securities (runway through mid-2027), recorded R&D expenses of $12.4 million, G&A expenses of $5.3 million, and a net operating loss of $17.8 million. A.I. generated. 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There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Acumen Pharmaceuticals First Quarter 2024 Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. Operator00:00:27I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Alex Braun, Vice President and Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:35Thanks, Norma. Good morning, and welcome to the Acumen conference call to discuss our business update and financial results for the quarter ended March 31, 2024. With me today are Dan O'Connell, our CEO and Matt Zuga, our CFO and Chief Business Officer. Dan and Matt have some prepared remarks, and then we'll open the call for questions. Joining for the Q and A session, we also have Doctor. Speaker 100:00:59Jim Dougherty, our President and Chief Development Officer and Doctor. Eric Siemers, our Chief Medical Officer. Before we begin, we encourage listeners to go to the Investors section of the Acumen website to find our press release issued this morning that we'll discuss today. Please note that during today's conference call, we may make forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws, including statements concerning our financial outlook and expected business plans. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those described in the forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:35Please see Slide 2 of our corporate presentation, press release issued this morning and our most recent annual and quarterly reports filed with the SEC for important risk factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied in the forward looking statements. We undertake no obligation to update or revise the information provided on this call or in the accompanying presentation as a result of new information or future results or developments. So with that, I'll turn the call over to Dan. Speaker 200:02:06Thanks, Alex. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us today. As we noted on our year end call in March, 2024 is a year of execution for Acumen as we work to establish the therapeutic potential of subornitag as a best in class treatment option for the substantial early Alzheimer's patient population. I'm pleased to say that we were off to a great start with the first patient dosed in our ALTITUDE AD Phase 2 study announced just last week. ALTITUDE is a randomized placebo controlled double blind study with 3 arms designed to evaluate the clinical efficacy and safety of subornitag with approximately 180 participants per arm for a total of 5.40 participants with MCI or mild dementia due to Alzheimer's disease. Speaker 200:02:54We are highly encouraged by the start of the ALTITUDE study, which we attribute to a couple of key factors. First, we received positive feedback from site investigators on our Phase 1 INTERCEPT results. The thoroughness of the INTERCEPT data package appears to be resonating, particularly the confluence of biomarker improvements we saw in patients after only 3 doses. 2nd, the design of the ALTITUDE study has been viewed favorably by many investigators and patients. Because our Phase 1 oligomer target engagement data was so informative, we are proceeding in Phase 2 with 2 dose arms that may prove efficacious. Speaker 200:03:29So patients have a greater chance of receiving a therapeutically relevant dose level of subunitab. Additionally, the open label extension is providing proving to be important to patients in the screening process as it provides for 12 months of subunitog active treatment following the 18 month placebo controlled portion of the study. Overall, I'm extremely pleased with the strong foundation that our team and CRO partner have built with key trial sites, highlighting the benefits of preparation, communication for screening and enrollment efficiency. In addition, we also recently announced collaboration agreement with Lonza for manufacturing of subunitope for clinical development and commercialization should it be approved. This is important because it allows us to leverage Lonza's regulatory expertise, extensive experience in antibody manufacturing and global manufacturing network. Speaker 200:04:21We are also on track to initiate a Phase 1 study in healthy subjects for a subcutaneous formulation of subcutaneous formulation of subunitung in mid-twenty 24. We believe a competitive product profile for Subernatog includes a subcutaneous option to offer additional flexibility and convenience for patients and caregivers. We'll provide more information on the plan for that work stream once we have the PK results in hand. We remain committed to delivering on our strategic priority to efficiently and thoughtfully advance the clinical development of subornitab for the benefit of patients, caregivers and shareholders. I look forward to updating you as we work to achieve ALTITUDE AD Phase 2 data that we believe will provide the true value inflection for the subirnatog program. Speaker 200:05:03And with that, I'll turn the call over to Matt for the financials. Speaker 300:05:09Thanks, Dan. As a reminder, our Q1 2024 financial results are available in the press release we issued this morning and in our 10 Q we will file later today. As of March 31, we had approximately $297,000,000 in cash and marketable securities on our balance sheet and continue to expect that cash runway to last into the first half of twenty twenty seven. R and D expenses were $12,400,000 in the Q1. The increase over the prior year was primarily due to the increased spending to support the ALTITUDE AD trial. Speaker 300:05:49G and A expenses were $5,300,000 in the quarter with the increase over the prior year primarily the result of increased headcount. This led to a loss from operations of $17,800,000 in the quarter. We are off to a strong start with ALTITUDE AD. We are well capitalized to execute on the study and to develop a subcutaneous formulation of subunitug. We are committed to delivering on the opportunity ahead of us and look forward to providing additional updates this year as we advance subunitug for the benefit of patients, caregivers and shareholders. Speaker 300:06:26And with that, we can open the call for Q and A. Operator? Thank Operator00:06:48And our first question will come from the line of Tom Schroeder with BTIG. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:06:54Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. I have a couple of quick ones. First for Matt, is R and D about stable now or are we expecting it to go up significantly? I know you're probably early in enrollment, but you probably had some upfront costs. Speaker 400:07:10So where is R and D now compared to what you expect over maybe the next 2 years? Speaker 500:07:16It's going to trend up Speaker 300:07:17for the next couple of quarters and then flatten out and then go down. So it's but if you notice R and D this quarter was more than any quarter that we ever had and it's going to keep it's going to go up and sort of plateau for a couple of quarters and then come down. Speaker 400:07:36Okay, perfect. And then on the subcu formulation, do you have a sense of what you're looking for? Is the general idea here to do a quick study, show you can match AUC and then maybe wait for the field to figure out if AUC is really the deliverable for a subcu antibody? Is that kind of the plan? Thank you. Speaker 200:08:01Thanks, Tom. This is Dan. I'll just quickly comment on that. Maybe Jim or Eric might care. I think for us right now, I think the important thing is getting the healthy volunteer study up and evaluating the PK. Speaker 200:08:12And I think there is considerable optionality to observe sort of where the field heads both from a clinical and regulatory perspective. So I think we're still sort of in the TBD as to the next step for subcu, but certainly want to get these Phase 1 results in hand as quickly as possible? Speaker 500:08:30Yes. And maybe just quickly, yes, for the first study in healthy volunteers, I think that the goal was really just a batch AUC. The next study, which would occur in patients, we haven't developed that plan that designed that completely by any means. But since it will be in patients, then we have a lot of other options in terms of biomarkers and target engagement and other things that we did in our INTERCEPT study. But this first study is just based on AUC. Speaker 400:09:01Okay, great. Thank you. Operator00:09:03Thank you. One moment for our next question please. Our next question will come from the line of Paul Matteis with Stifel. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:09:14Hi there. This is James on for Paul. Thanks for taking question. And maybe just a follow-up on the subcu and just curious how you're kind of thinking has evolved. Do you think you can ultimately get to a plaque busting dose with the subcu or is the subcu more focused on the oligomers? Speaker 600:09:29Just kind of curious what your thoughts are there. And then also maybe just quickly, just curious what you think about or what you're most interested in the upcoming denanumab adcom and what you think some of the implications maybe for the broader A beta space? Thanks. Speaker 500:09:47Yes. Well, maybe I'll answer the first one and then pass it over to Dan for the second one or the others. But anyway, for the subcu, I don't think we look at that as being different than we saw in our INTERCEPT study in terms of plaque reduction versus oligomer target engagement. I mean, it's oligomer target engagement is something that's important for this antibody. But having some plaque reduction, as long as you can do it without a lot of ARIA isn't a bad thing either. Speaker 500:10:19So the goal from that standpoint is really no different with the subcu effort versus the IV effort that we had in our Phase 1 study. Speaker 200:10:31Thanks, Eric. And James, in terms of the AdCom for daneumab, I think that session will principally focus on 2 main concerns that the FDA has raised in terms of the treatment duration and the TAVR stratification. So those will be important discussions to have sort of in the public forum and I think they will likely have implications for label and market development. Ultimately, we do think that daneumab likely will be approved and will become a commercial marketer of a product in the Alzheimer's space, which we take as a positive as this is still sort of the early days of commercial infrastructure build and providing greater access to patients. So it certainly is it was a bit of a curveball for Lilly presumably, but I think that the ICOM should go reasonably well and continue to underpin the growth of this treatment modality. Speaker 600:11:32Makes sense. Thanks. Operator00:11:35Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Pete Stavropoulos with Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is now open. Speaker 700:11:46Hi. This is Samantha Schafer on the line for Pete. Now that you have presented the P1B data at multiple conferences and have extensively socialized the data, We're curious to hear if you have any updated thoughts on the potential mechanisms behind the lack of ARIA E in APOE homozygous and observed only in females. Is this pattern just by chance or is there a plausible mechanistic reasoning? Thanks for taking our question. Speaker 500:12:13Yes, let me go ahead. Those are really good questions and we've thought about them a lot. Of course, I'm not sure that we have an absolute answer to them. The fact that we didn't have any ARIA in APOE4 homozygous, first of all, obviously, it's really encouraging for this particular antibody. But mechanistically, why that would be, just to speculate, we could say not all plaques are exactly the same. Speaker 500:12:42Our antibody is targeting oligomers primarily with a little bit of plaque reduction and with some plaque reduction in addition. So I think as we learn more about sort of plaques in general at a biochemical level, that we're going to start finding more and more that there are differences in plaques and differences in the way antibodies bind to different forms of plaque. But then at this point, it's all speculation. Obviously, in our Phase 2 study, we're going to be looking really carefully for ARIA in APOE4 homozygotes. The question you raised about the fact that the ARIA cases were in women is a really good question. Speaker 500:13:30And interestingly, nobody has asked it before. But yes, we've thought about that. And again, it's kind of like the lack of ARIA in the E4 homozygous. It is a small study and that could be by chance the same as with the lack in the E4 homozygous. But it does make you scratch your head a bit. Speaker 500:13:52And I think as we start to understand more about sex differences in whether it's the efficacy of the antibodies or in this case, ARIA rates. There's just a lot that we don't know. And so that's another thing that we'll obviously keep a close eye on in our Phase II study, but really good question. Speaker 700:14:15Very helpful. Thank you so much. Operator00:14:18Thank Our next question comes from the line of Jason Zumansky with Bank of America. Your line is now open. Speaker 800:14:32Good morning. Thank you so much for taking our questions and congratulations on the progress. Curious as far as your enrollment expectations for ALTITUDE, especially given the availability of lekanumab and potentially dumetumab in the future. Can you talk a little bit about what you think the implications are and whether or not the availability of either both of those antibodies are going to impact what you see? And then a follow-up, if I may. Speaker 200:15:04Yes, Jason. So thanks for the question. And I think based on the scripted word portion of the call, we were highly encouraged with the early phase of the ALTITUDE study and encouraged that the rate of level of interest engagement from sites and how we're doing in the study generally. So I think for the moment, we feel really good about sort of the Phase 1 data informing and drawing patients' attention to the study. And I think as we we'll see where we get to as the dnatumumab approval and so forth. Speaker 200:15:39But right now, we are feeling pretty good about the rate of enrollment in ALDE2. Speaker 800:15:46Got it. And then as far as the subcutaneous formulation goes, is there a possibility or at least a protocol where you can use if the healthy volunteer study goes well, use that within ALTITUDE potentially. Is there some mechanism that would permit bringing that in or would you have to wait for a separate Speaker 500:16:15study? So I guess I take that one. Yes, in our case, theoretically, of course, it would be possible to try to put it into ALTITUDE, but ALTITUDE is a Phase 2 study. It's designed, it's completely designed. So I think that would be a challenge logistically to actually do. Speaker 500:16:39Again, what we will do after our healthy volunteer study for the subcu formulation is moved to patients. And again, we can do a lot of the same things that we're doing in the ALLO2 study. In fact, we probably will. But I don't think you would try to insert that into the actual Phase 2 ALTITUDE study. Speaker 800:17:04Got it. Thank you so much for the color. Operator00:17:07Thank you. And this concludes our Q and A portion. I'd like to hand the conference back over to Alex Braun for closing remarks. Speaker 100:17:14Thanks, Norma, and thanks for everyone for listening today. If you have any further questions, we're always available at the company. Please reach out. All right. Have a great day. Operator00:17:24This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Everyone, have a wonderful day.Read morePowered by