Banco BBVA Argentina Q1 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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May 23, 2024

There are 5 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for waiting. At this time, we would like to welcome everyone to BBVA Argentina's First Quarter 2024 Results Conference Call. We would like to inform you that this event is being recorded and all participants will be in listen only mode during the company presentation. After company remarks are completed, there will be a question and answer session. At that time, further instructions will be given.

Operator

First of all, let me point out that some of the statements made during this conference call may be forward looking statements within the meaning of the Safe Harbor provisions found in Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 under U. S. Federal Securities Law. These forward looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed in the forward looking statements. Additional information concerning these factors is contained in BBVA Argentina's Annual Report on Form 20F for the fiscal year 2023 filed with the U.

Operator

S. Securities and Exchange Commission. Today with us, we have Mrs. Ines Luneuse, IRO. Mrs.

Operator

Luneuse, you may begin your conference.

Speaker 1

Good morning, and welcome to BBVA Argentina's First Quarter 2024 Results Conference Call. Today's webinar will be supported by a slide presentation available on our Investor Relations website on the Financial Information section. Speaking during today's call will be Ines La Nuce, our Investor Relations Officer and Carmen Mauricio Rosa, our Chief Financial Officer, who will be available for the Q and A session. Please note that starting January 1, 2020, as per Central Bank Regulation, we have begun reporting results applying hyperinflation accounting pursuant to IFRS rule IAS 29. For risk of comparability, 2023 2024 figures have been restated to reflect the accumulated effect of inflation adjustment for each period through March 31, 2024.

Speaker 1

Now let me turn the call over to Ines.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Belen, and thank you all for joining us today. 2024 starts with the new Millet government substantially modifying the economic policy framework and focusing its efforts on a strong fiscal and monetary adjustment to reduce inflation. The reduction of fiscal deficit in the 1st months of the year, the relative currency stability observed after the significant depreciation of the Argentine peso in December 2023, The accumulation of international reserves and the contraction of economic activity have allowed a recent moderation of the monthly inflation, which however still remains high. In spite of the uncertainty and related risks, according to BBA Research, it is likely that these factors could set the basis for an inflation slowdown in the following months. These would eventually be completed by additional measures in the context of the release of a more integrant stabilization program.

Speaker 2

EBVA Research estimates annual inflation will end close to 155% and that GDP will drop around 4% this year. It is important to mention that interest rates have fallen quicker than expected and it is expected that these should drop further as inflation continues to decline. Now moving into business dynamics. As you can see on Slide 3 of our webcast presentation, our service offering has evolved in such a way that by the end of March 2024, retail digital clients penetration reached 62% while retail mobile clients reached 58%. The response on the side of customers has been satisfactory and we are convinced this is the path to pursue in the aim of sustaining and expanding our competitive position in the financial system.

Speaker 2

Retail digital sales measured in units reached 93.6% in the Q1 of 2024 and represent 73.6% of the bank's total sales measured in monetary value. New customer acquisitions to digital panel reached 81% in the Q1 of 2024 from 76% in the Q1 of 2023. The bank actively monitors its business, financial conditions and operating results in the aim of keeping a competitive position to face contextual challenges. Moving to Slide 4, I will now comment on the bank's Q1 2024 financial results. EBITDA Argentina's inflation adjusted net income in the Q1 of 2024 was ARS34.2 billion falling 41% than the net income in the Q4 of 2023.

Speaker 2

This implied a quarterly ROE of 6.6% and a quarterly ROA of 1.6%. Quarterly operating income in the Q1 of 2024 was ARS 631,200,000,000, 13% lower than in the Q4 of 2023. Quarterly operating results are mainly explained by a lower operating income, mainly due to lower income from foreign exchange and gold gains, particularly in contrast with the Q4 2020 extraordinary results, which were impacted by the devaluation of the Argentine pesos versus the U. S. Dollar.

Speaker 2

This was offset by 1, better results from income from measurement of financial instrument at favorable due to P and L, also by contrast with the results in the Q4 2023 where a loss was reported due to the dual bonds valuation. 2, better net income from write down of asset at amortized cost and at fair value through OCI, mainly due to the sale of inflation linked bonds and 3, lower personnel benefits and other operating expenses. Net income for the period was highly impacted by income from net monetary position in spite of inflation being slightly lower in the Q1 of 2024 than in the Q4 of 2023, the increase in the monetary position in the first quarter of 2024 versus Q4 of 2023 more than proportionally offset the mentioned decrease in inflation. That increment was impacted by a higher value of public securities in the Q4 of 2023, especially under the fair value to OCI valuation criteria. Turning into the P and L lines in Slide 5.

Speaker 2

Net interest income for the Q1 of 2024 was ARS787.8 billion, increasing 4.8 percent quarter over quarter. In the Q1 of 2024, interest income decreased less than interest expenses in monetary terms. The former due to lower income from public securities and the latter due to lower expenses on time deposits and investment accounts. In the Q1 of 2024, quarterly decrease in interest income is mainly driven by: 1, lower income from government securities explained by the termination of the issuance of Leliq by the Central Bank in December 2023, reducing its volume on year end and 2, lower income from loans, mainly discounted instruments, credit cards and other loans, the latter affected by the fall in floor planning. This was partially offset by 1, a better income from repo at lower rate than the acute by the leak and 2, income from inflation linked bonds.

Speaker 2

On the other hand, interest expenses decreased 16% due to lower time deposits and events and account expenses, lower volume and the deregulation of the minimum rate by the end of the quarter. Interest from time deposits, including investment account, explained 47% of interest expenses versus 71.2 percent of the previous quarter. Net fee income as of the Q1 of 2024 totaled Ps. 50,500,000,000 falling 6.4% quarter over quarter. In the Q1 of 2024, the income totaled ARS91.1 billion falling 15.1 percent quarter over quarter.

Speaker 2

In spite of the general quarterly decline on all lines, the decrease is mainly explained by fees from credit cards, which falls 17.3% and fees linked to liability which fell 14.4%. Regarding the former, apart from being impacted by expenses related to Punta Puebla Loyalty Program, it was also affected by a decrease in activity and consumption. Regarding fees links to liability and increasing fees from account maintenance and bundle did not compensate for the fall in activity. On the side of fee expenses, these totaled ARS 40,600,000,000 falling 23.9 percent quarter over quarter. Lower expenses are explained by lower activity plus the contrast with high seasonal fees expenses in the Q4 2023.

Speaker 2

Additionally, there was a decrease in fees linked to payroll marketing campaigns. In the Q1 of 2024, loan loss allowances decreased 14.3% explained by the good behavior of the loan portfolio. During the Q1 of 2024, total operating expenses were MXN209.6 billion, decreasing 3.5 percent quarter over quarter, of which 29% were personal benefits costs. Personal benefits decreased 11.2% quarter over quarter. The quarterly change is mainly explained by the contrast with the inflation adjustment of vacation stock provisions and variable compensations recorded in the Q4 of 2023 plus wage negotiations with the unions that match inflation during the Q1 of 2024.

Speaker 2

As of the Q1 of 2024, administrative expenses grew 33.1 percent quarter over quarter. This is mainly explained by an increase in the amount of price of foreign currency services contracted with the parent company. The quarterly efficiency ratio as of the Q1 of 2024 was 65.4%, above the 46.4% reported in the Q4 of 2023. The quarterly increase explained by an increase in expenses contrasted with a decrease in income especially due to lower interest income and the impact of inflation on the monetary position. In terms of activity on Slide 6, private sector loans as of the Q1 of 2024 totaled Ps.

Speaker 2

2,700,000,000,000, decreasing 12.7%. Loans to the private sector in pesos held 16.2% in the Q1 of 2024. During the quarter, the decrease was especially driven by a lower generalized seasonality in practically all products. The decrease was partially offset by a 20.9% increase in overdraft, mostly due to their short duration. Loans to the private sector demagulated in foreign currency increased 18.4% explained by a 26% growth in financing and pre financing of exports.

Speaker 2

Loans to the private sector in foreign currency measured in U. S. Dollars increased 69.3 percent quarter over quarter. During the quarter, the retail portfolio fell 16.2% and the commercial portfolio decreased 9.4%. As observed in previous quarters, loan portfolio were impacted by the effect of inflation in the Q1 of 2024, which reached 61.6%.

Speaker 2

In nominal terms, BBVA Argentina managed to increase the retail commercial and total loan portfolio by 27.1%, 37.4% and 32.1%, respectively, during the quarter. In no cases surpassing quarterly inflation levels. BBVA's Argentina consolidated market share of private sector loans reached 10.08% as of the Q1 of 2024, improving from 9.33 percent a year ago and surpassing 2 digits figure. As of the Q1 of 2024, asset quality ratio keeps a very good performance at 1.23% in line with the good behavior of the commercial portfolio. On the retail portfolio, there is a slight increase in NPL portfolio due to credit cards, but with no significant impact on the NPL ratio.

Speaker 2

On the funding side, as seen on Slide 7, private non financial sector deposits in the Q1 of 2024 totaled ARS 4,600,000,000,000 falling 15.6%. Sabang's consolidated market share of private deposits reached 7 0.37% as of the Q1 of 2024. Private non financial sector deposits in pesos totaled ARS 3,200,000,000,000, decreasing 9.3% compared to the Q4 of 2023. The quarter of change is mainly affected by a 21.2% decline in saving accounts and an 8% fall in checking accounts, especially non interest bearing checking accounts. Private non financial deposits in foreign currency expressed in pesos27.3 percent quarter over quarter, mainly explained by seasonal factors in the Q4 of 2023.

Speaker 2

In terms of capitalization, P and L Argentina continues to show strong solvency indicators as of the Q1 of 2024. Capital ratio reached 35.6%. Growth in the ratio was mainly driven by a fall in risk weighted assets. Exposure to the public sector in the Q1 of 2024 excluding Central Bank Instruments represent 13.9% of total assets, below the 15.9% in the Q4 of 2023 and below the last ratio reported by the system of 26 0.5% as of February 2024. The bank's total liquidity ratio remained healthy at 92% of total deposit as of March 31, 2024.

Speaker 2

Last but not least, as of the date of this report, the bank has announced the payment of dividends in pre installments in cash or cash. The total amount due will be 2 100 and 64,200,000,000 pesos inflation adjusted as of December 31st, 2023 and pursuant to Central Bank Law, it must be updated to the current currency value of each payment date. This concludes our prepared remarks. We will now take your questions. Operator, please open the line for questions.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. Our first question is from Carlos Gomez with HSBC. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Hello, Ines and good morning. I would like to know if you can go through us slowly as to why the net interest income declines so much in your case compared to your peer banks in Argentina this quarter? I mean, I said I was not able to follow it closely. Thank you.

Speaker 4

Hi, Carlos. Good morning. Yes, basically, one of the main factors that affects our net income this quarter is the fact that the model we use the different valuation model that banks have to value securities in the P and L. We believe the portfolio strategy should be analyzed based not only 1 quarter, but in more quarters. Now being that said, our valuation criteria for securities compared to peers affects more negative RP and L in the Q1, and this is particularly because of the extraordinary result we gave in the OCA line in the previous quarter.

Speaker 4

Remember that last year, our equity grew 25% in real terms. Now why net income is very affected by this fact that passed in the past? Because of that extraordinary result, my equity grew much more than probably the peers, which not recognize these valuation in the equity and that generates a higher loss by inflation adjustment. And that's why we are seeing a higher effect negative effect in the P and L. So it's quite different to compare banks with different models.

Speaker 4

If you would do a proxy, for example, if we would have the model of cost instead of fair value, for example, you should analyze our figures by discounting from the equity around ARS 260,000,000. To that, you should apply the approximately ARS 52,000,000 inflation that we had in the quarter. And if you do your math, the ROE would be around the mid-20s. So basically, the problem is the comparisons between the two models. In our case, it's probably a little bit more transparent because we reflect not only what we gain from the securities, but also the valuation of those securities and the effect of inflation in the P and L every quarter.

Speaker 4

On the model that is at cost, you don't reflect that valuation, so your equity doesn't grow that much and you do not record that extra loss affected by inflation. On the trading model, probably it is a comparable, but it's a different way on how you manage portfolios. They are more supposedly this trading is more short term criteria. It's another way of managing your securities, while the model we use as a bank and it's the same model that BBVA as a holding use is to protect the assets. That's why we have this model that shows results on BNL and valuation on the OCA line.

Speaker 4

So basically, that is a key factor that affected our net income. And as I was mentioning, if you do the math or a proxy, if we would have the model of at cost, our ROE would be around the mid-20s. Then, yes, we had also, despite expenses decreased quarter over quarter, We have administrative expenses that grew and those are mainly tied to FX, which are mainly costs related to the parent company. So that also affected our results. I don't know if that answers your question.

Speaker 3

Well, more or less, let's go one by one. On the valuation at cost, so you had a big gain in the OCI line last year, last quarter in particular. Yes, and that does not flow through the income statement now as it gets realized, that's already in your results?

Speaker 4

The fact is that your equity when you start the Q1 of this year is much higher. And the line of inflation adjustment were recognized is zealous for your equity exposure to inflation. As my equity was so big because we recognized the valuation of securities, we have a higher loss because of inflation. Because our monetary assets are the monetary assets, the securities are at the value of the securities. In the amortized in the other model, you don't recognize that valuation in the P and L.

Speaker 4

You only recognize when you go selling or when you go getting the selling the bond, correct? So by not recognizing that higher value of securities, your equity is lower and by consequence, your exposure to inflation is less. That's why it's not comparable. So when you compare P and S, you don't only need to compare figures, but also different business models.

Speaker 3

Okay. Now this was this particular quarter. So how does that reflect into the rest of the year when inflation should be lower and rates will also be lower?

Speaker 4

Going forward, we are still believing we despite this quarter, we have a lower ROE. Our strategy of regarding our securities, Basically, as you know, Leliqs no longer exist. Most of our liquidity first went to repos and now it's already placed in the cap. From our security portfolio, we have more or less 24% of our portfolio in CPI bonds and 67% are like cap. We have a 9% of Bonte also.

Speaker 4

So moving forward, we're changing the yield of we're turning to a fixed rate, which is a leg up. We're still believing we can sustain a mid teens ROE for 2024. Also, we are seeing an increase in demand. We are starting to see, according to our research department, loan growth for the systems should grow positive this year around 22%. We are starting to see an increase higher increase on commercial lending, which is part of the strategy of the bank.

Speaker 4

And that should reflect in the results of the bank, no? Always intending to gain market share.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you so much.

Operator

Showing no further questions. This concludes the question and answer section. At this time, I would like to turn the floor back to Ms. Linusa for any closing remarks.

Speaker 4

Okay. Thank you for your time and let us know if you have further questions. Have a good day.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's presentation. You may disconnect your line at this time and have a nice day.

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Key Takeaways

  • The new government’s fiscal and monetary adjustment has reduced the deficit, stabilized the peso and built reserves, but inflation remains high—BBVA Research estimates around 155% annually with GDP contracting about 4%.
  • Retail digital penetration reached 62% (mobile 58%), with digital sales making up 93.6% of transactions by unit and 73.6% by value, and new digital customers rising to 81% in Q1 2024.
  • Inflation-adjusted net income was ARS 34.2 billion, down 41% quarter-over-quarter, delivering a ROE of 6.6% and ROA of 1.6%, as operating income fell 13% amid lower FX and gold gains.
  • Private sector loans in pesos declined 12.7% (market share at 10.08%) and deposits fell 15.6% (market share 7.37%), while asset quality remained strong (NPL ratio 1.23%), capital ratio was 35.6% and liquidity ratio 92%.
  • With inflation expected to moderate further and interest rates easing, management targets a mid-teens ROE for 2024 and foresees positive loan growth driven by commercial lending.
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