Timbercreek Financial Q1 2024 Earnings Report

Timbercreek Financial EPS Results

• Actual EPS: C$0.17
• Consensus EPS: C$0.19
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -C$0.02
• One Year Ago EPS: N/A

Timbercreek Financial Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $24.93 million
• Expected Revenue: $26.23 million
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$1.30 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: N/A

Timbercreek Financial Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q1 2024
• Date: 5/6/2024
• Time: N/A
• Conference Call Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2024
• Conference Call Time: 1:00PM ET

Timbercreek Financial (TSE:TF) Corp is a Canada-based non-banking commercial real estate lender. The company provides shorter-duration, customized financing solutions to professional real estate investors. It invests directly in a diversified portfolio of structured mortgage loans primarily secured by stabilized, income-producing commercial real estates, such as multi-residential, office and retail buildings located in urban markets across Canada. The company's strategy is to preserve investor capital by lending mainly against income producing real estate, mitigate concentration risk by diversifying geographically by asset type and borrower and ensure loan to value ratios.

Timbercreek Financial Q1 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• Q1 net investment income fell to $24.6 M from $32.7 M and net income to $14.4 M from $18.1 M year-over-year, driven by a lower average portfolio balance despite stable net income margins.
• Originations reached nearly $200 M in new mortgage investments, positioning the company to grow the portfolio back toward historical levels of $1.1 B–$1.2 B in 2024.
• First-time special dividend declared, while book value per share rose to $8.39 from $8.37 year-over-year and remains roughly 15% above the average trading price.
• Completed full repayment of the largest Stage 3 loan and advanced multiple Stage 2 loans via equity pledges and forbearance agreements, with further resolutions expected through 2025.
• Portfolio remains conservatively structured, with weighted average LTV reduced to 64.4%, 85.7% in first mortgages, and 85.7% in cash-flowing properties at quarter end.

Presentation

[Operator]

Earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session for analysts. Analysts are asked to raise their hand to register for a question. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Blair Tamblyn. Please go ahead.

[Blair Tamblyn, CEO at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for joining us to discuss the first quarter financial results. As usual, I'm joined today by Scott Rowland, CIO; Tracy Johnston, CFO; and Geoff McTait, Head of Canadian originations and Global Syndications. During the first quarter, we were able to generate solid income levels and deliver on our monthly distribution, while navigating a near-term reduction in the average mortgage portfolio. As we discussed on our last earnings call, we were intentionally cautious through much of 2023, and the lower portfolio balance also reflects two quarters of significant repayments, including the repayment of the large Quebec City portfolio in early January 2024. As you are evaluating the year-over-year financial results, this lower average balance was the primary factor in the reduced top-line income versus last year's first quarter, which represented a high water mark over the previous two years.

[Blair Tamblyn, CEO at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Inversely, interest expense on our credit facility was much lower, allowing us to largely maintain net income margins. In terms of the specific highlights, net investment income was CAD 24 million versus CAD 32.7 million last year. Q1 net income was CAD 14.4 million versus CAD 18.1 million last year. We generated distributable income of CAD 15.8 million, or CAD 0.19 per share, within our typical range, with a healthy payout ratio of basically 90%. We also paid a special dividend for the first time in the quarter, and after paying this out, our book value per share was still modestly higher year-over-year, CAD 8.39 versus CAD 8.37 in Q1 2023. We'd also highlight that our current book value is roughly 15% above the weighted average trading price in Q1.

[Blair Tamblyn, CEO at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

As Scott will outline, it was a strong first quarter for originations, which allowed us to grow the portfolio from year-end levels. Importantly, we remain optimistic that a stable interest rate environment in 2024 will promote increased commercial real estate activity and present attractive risk-adjusted return opportunities for us to expand the portfolio back to historical levels over the course of the year. Lastly, our team continues to make good headway on Stage 2 and Stage 3 loans in the portfolio. As we have shown, we're adept at actively managing these situations to ensure the best outcomes for our shareholders. That remains a key focus in the coming quarters. With that, I'll turn it over to Scott to discuss the portfolio trends and market conditions.

[Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Thanks, Blair, and good afternoon. I'll comment on the portfolio metrics, the progress with Stage 2 and Stage 3 loans, and the improving lending environment in 2024. Looking at the portfolio KPIs, at quarter end, 85.7% of our investments were in cash flowing properties, compared with 86% at the end of 2023. Multiple residential real estate assets, apartment buildings, continued to comprise the largest portion of the portfolio at 54.6%, compared to 56.5% at the end of 2023. The portfolio remains conservatively invested. First mortgages represented 85.7% of the portfolio, compared to 88.9% in Q4. The lower percentage here is primarily due to the denominator effect of the recent first mortgage payoffs, as well as the second mortgage advance.

[Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Our weighted average loan-to-value for Q1 was 64.4%, down from 65.6% at year-end, as new loans were funded with lower LTVs, while loans with higher LTV were discharged. The portfolio's weighted average interest rate, or WAIR, was 9.9%, down slightly from 10% in Q4 and up from 9.7% in Q1 last year. Our Q1 exit WAIR was 9.9%, down slightly from 10% exiting Q4. Overall, we are pleased to see the average loan-to-value declining in the portfolio as we reinvest in more conservative loans while maintaining high margins in the current market environment. It was a busy quarter for transaction activity.

[Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Total mortgage portfolio repayments were high at CAD 167.1 million, three-quarters of which reflected the desired repayment of the Quebec City portfolio in early January 2024. This led to high turnover in the quarter of 19.4%, similar to Q4 levels. The portfolio typically turns over 50% per year, so these are higher than normal rates. For the most recent quarter, turnover was only 4.7% outside of the Quebec City portfolio. At the same time, repayments create capacity for new investments. To that end, Q1 was a strong originations quarter, with nearly CAD 200 million in new mortgage investments and additional advances on existing mortgages. Q1 is typically a more competitive quarter as other institutional investors put that capital to work in real estate, so we're especially pleased with this level of activity early in the year.

[Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

As stability returns to the market, commercial real estate transaction volumes should broadly rise, and this is an attractive environment for Timbercreek to grow the portfolio back to normalized levels. Our pipeline has been growing with attractive risk-return investment opportunities, and we believe 2024, 2025 will be excellent investing vintages as the market has reset from previous valuation highs. In terms of the asset allocation, the mix between provinces changed significantly in Q1 due to the Quebec City repayment, which reduced the Quebec weighting to 16% from 29% at year-end. We had strong deployment in Ontario during the quarter, bringing Ontario exposure to 45%, up from 32% at year-end. We're very comfortable with a higher Ontario weighting at present and pleased to have the capacity to redeploy into Quebec. Generally speaking, the portfolio is divided into thirds between Western, Central, and Eastern Canada.

[Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

As Blair mentioned, we continue to make meaningfully progress on the Stage 2 and Stage 3 loans in the portfolio. We have expanded disclosure on these loans in our MD&A, so I will focus my comments on the key developments and larger loans. On the Stage 3 loans, we completed the sale of the largest of the Stage 3 loans, and we were fully repaid all principal and all accrued interest in January. This materially reduced the Stage 3 balance. We've also made progress on the multifamily asset under construction that was part of an earlier CCAA process. The property is nearing completion with expected occupancy this summer. The owners have injected fresh cash equity into the project to restart construction, and liens are close to being fully cleared.

[Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

We anticipate the loan returning to Stage 1 this quarter, at which point we will begin funding the balance of the construction advances. In terms of the Stage 2 assets, these include three office properties and one retail property with the same sponsor in Calgary, representing CAD 54.7 million. During the quarter, we moved two of these loans from Stage 3 to Stage 2, so all three are now in Stage 2. And all these three loans now have collateral enhancement via equity pledges on proceeds from the sales of other assets owned by the borrower. We have forbearance agreements in place with the borrower, while the borrower focuses on leasing and optimizing the asset to realize full repayment. Maturity dates have been extended to the fall of 2025.

[Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

In terms of other Stage 2 assets, the largest entry here relates to three loans comprised of 8 primarily retail properties in downtown Vancouver, totaling CAD 110.3 million in exposure. These loans are all current. However, they were moved to Stage 2 while the borrower works on plans to sell assets to increase their liquidity position, which has been hampered by higher rates in the current environment. The assets are well located Vancouver retail buildings that also hold residential redevelopment potential. Forbearance agreements have been signed to provide enhanced security via cross-collateralization. Current business plans should result in individual asset sales over the next year and a resulting reduction in our exposure.

[Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

In summary, while there is more work to be done, our team is making great progress and remains confident both in the quality of the underlying assets and our ability to recover our investments through active management. As we resolve more of these and see the total stage loan balance decline, we look forward to focusing more of our discussion on new investments and the portfolio expansion. I will now pass the call over to Tracy to review the financial results. Tracy?

[Tracy Johnston, CFO at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Thanks, Scott, and good afternoon, everyone. As Blair mentioned, while it was a decent quarter, the year-over-year comparisons were impacted by a lower average portfolio balance from the large repayment in January. We were able to redeploy this capital and more by quarter end. For context, the average net mortgage investment portfolio balance for Q1 was CAD 863 million, versus almost CAD 1.2 billion last year and CAD 1.1 billion at year-end, which is a more typical level for us. As a result, Q1 net investment income on financial assets measured at amortized cost was CAD 24.6 million, down from CAD 32.7 million in the prior year. While we had slightly higher WAIR year-over-year, positively impacting the variable rate loans, this was offset by the lower average portfolio balance.

[Tracy Johnston, CFO at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Fair value gain and other income on financial assets measured at fair value through profit and loss improved from a gain of CAD 282,000 in Q1 2023 to a gain of CAD 337,000 in Q1 2024. We reported higher net rental income from real estate properties of CAD 474,000, versus a loss last year, reflecting the higher real estate properties inventory from acquisitions mid-2023. Net rental income was partially offset by a net rental loss from land inventory. Loan loss provisions for the quarter were CAD 0.9 million versus CAD 0.3 million in the prior year. The loan loss provisions primarily relate to provisions for future interest due to increased times to exit the Stage 2 and 3 loan positions. Lender fee income was CAD 1.4 million, down from CAD 2.5 million in Q1 2023.

[Tracy Johnston, CFO at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Q1 net income was CAD 14.4 million, compared to CAD 18.1 million in Q1 last year, and Q1 basic and diluted EPS were CAD 0.17 versus CAD 0.22 and CAD 0.21, respectively, in the prior year. While the smaller portfolio balance impacted top-line income, interest expense on the credit facility also declined significantly due to lower credit utilization, allowing us to maintain net income margins. Interest expense in the quarter was CAD 3.9 million versus CAD 7.6 million the same quarter last year, basically half the amount. We reported quarterly distributable income of CAD 16.8 million or CAD 0.19 on a per-share basis versus CAD 0.22 from last year's Q1.

[Tracy Johnston, CFO at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

You can see from this chart that the per-share DI is well within our historical range, and the Q1 payout ratio on DI was a very healthy 90.6%, reinforcing our ability to generate healthy cash flows and dividends. During Q1 2024, we declared regular dividends of CAD 14.3 million or CAD 0.17 per share, and a one-time special dividend of CAD 0.0575 per share, paid in March for a total of CAD 4.8 million. Turning now to the balance sheet highlights. The net value, the net value of the mortgage portfolio, excluding syndications, was CAD 977.5 million at the end of the quarter.

[Tracy Johnston, CFO at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

This was an increase of about CAD 31 million from the end of 2023, in spite of the healthy repayments, as noted earlier, reflecting strong origination activity as the team successfully redeployed capital from pre-rate hike loans and those with current metrics. At year-end, we had CAD 92.8 million of net real estate inventory, including land inventory of CAD 30.6 million and net real estate properties inventory of CAD 62.2 million, which is the three senior living facilities acquired in 2023. We exchanged a mortgage investment of CAD 64.4 million for ownership of the underlying collateral, which we intend to sell. The gross asset of CAD 131 million is recognized in the real estate properties inventory on the balance sheet, with a corresponding liability for the syndicate's 50% share of the asset.

[Tracy Johnston, CFO at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

You will find detailed breakdown of this in Note 5 of the financial statements. Enhanced Return Portfolio increased by CAD 3.9 million to CAD 53.4 million, from CAD 59.4 million in Q1 2023, mainly reflecting new investments in Q4 2023. The balance of the credit facility for mortgage investments was CAD 293 million at the end of Q1, up from CAD 260 million at the end of Q1 2023, but meaningfully lower than Q1 last year, reflecting the higher repayments over the past two quarters and a more cautious underwriting position during those periods. We expect the balance to revert to a more normalized range in the mid-CAD 400 million as the year progresses. In February, we were pleased to renew our credit facility for another 24 months.

[Tracy Johnston, CFO at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

The facility includes a revolver of CAD 510 million and an accordion option of up to CAD 100 million. Shareholders' equity decreased modestly to CAD 696 million at quarter end, from CAD 701 million at year-end 2023, reflecting the payments of the special dividend. The company's book value per share was CAD 8.39 at quarter end versus a book value per share of CAD 8.45 at the end of 2023. However, book value per share is up from CAD 8.37 at this point last year, demonstrating our ability to pay a special dividend and grow book value. I will now turn the call back to Scott for closing comments.

[Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Thanks, Tracy. Coming off of a challenging year where we maintained a cautious stance, we're feeling increasingly positive that 2024 will mark an inflection point for commercial real estate. As interest rates stabilize and likely decline in the quarters ahead, we are seeing buyers and sellers regain confidence in the market. We were able to deploy a substantial amount of capital in new investments during Q1, and we continue to see favorable conditions for us to expand the portfolio to historical levels this year. At this stage in the cycle, we can invest with attractive risk-return profiles as valuations and borrower expectations have been broadly reset. With respect to the Stage loans, we made substantial progress in the past several quarters and expect realization and/or resolution on others during 2024.

[Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Our team continues to demonstrate the ability to effectively navigate these situations that unfortunately can occur with situations such as the rapid rise in rates. With that, that completes our prepared remarks, and we will now open the call to questions.

[Operator]

We will now take any analyst questions. If you have a question, please click the Raise Hand button at the bottom of the bottom right screen below. The first question comes from Graham Ryding. Graham, your line is open.

[Graham Ryding, Equity Research Analyst at TD Securities]

Great. Can you hear me okay?

[Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Yeah. Hi, Graham.

[Graham Ryding, Equity Research Analyst at TD Securities]

Hi. Great. Maybe just start with the portfolio, like, how are you feeling about the potential growth here, in terms of when you're thinking about this year, how much capacity do you have? Like CAD 1.1 billion, CAD 1.2 billion. Can you get the portfolio back up to that size this year, or what's your, what's your feeling?

[Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

I'm looking at Tracy, but I can answer, too. Yeah, Graham, I do think. So we did have a lot of repayments. If I, if I think about where our situation was, we had a lot of repayments in Q4, and then we had the repayment of the Quebec portfolio in Q1. That essentially all gets covered with, you know, reducing, debt under the line. So we do have ample capacity under the line to continue to grow. You know, look, talking to the originations team, we're quite pleased with the pipeline. And, and our repayment situation has gone back to, say, normal levels, is what we're seeing right now, which is to be expected after a higher, higher percentage. So yeah, I do, I do think we'll be expanding the portfolio in the coming quarters.

[Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

I think that CAD 1.1 billion-CAD 1.2 billion, that's, that's exactly right in that range.

[Graham Ryding, Equity Research Analyst at TD Securities]

Okay, great. My next question would just be, I guess there was a couple developments here on sort of assets moving from Stage 2 to Stage 3. First of all, just the downtown Vancouver retail portfolio. You know, what, what determines here that you're comfortable sort of putting these assets in Stage 2 versus Stage 3?

[Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

So the Vancouver portfolio, and again, I'll split this with Tracy, but the Vancouver portfolio was in Stage 1, just to be clear where we're starting from. So we've just advanced it to Stage 2. So this is not in default, so it is not, you know, the 90 days plus default is sort of your definition of Stage 3. This isn't a default, but Stage 2 is also the definition of Stage 2 involves loans that may have had a significant increase. And so from our perspective, we know the borrower just has a bit of a stressed balance sheet, right? Because their interest rates have doubled over the past couple of years, and they have a mix of income-producing assets and redevelopment assets.

[Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

And the redevelopment assets require, you know, equity injection to pay interest. And so the borrower is just their business plan is they need to sell some assets to create liquidity, and that is how they're starting to get themselves out of their current sort of situation. That they're very strong assets, very well located downtown Vancouver. But we felt it was prudent to put this portfolio into Stage 2, because we know that the borrower needs to generate some liquidity through asset sales.

[Graham Ryding, Equity Research Analyst at TD Securities]

Okay.

[Blair Tamblyn, CEO at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Hey, Graham, it's Blair. I'd just add to that, this is also a borrower we've had, have a very long-term and positive relationship with. So, you know, we're confident that he's acting in everybody's best interest.

[Graham Ryding, Equity Research Analyst at TD Securities]

Okay. Okay, and then that's helpful. Similar on the office properties in Calgary, like, what was it that sort of triggered the move from Stage 3 back to Stage 2? Was it these equity pledges on the proceeds from sales that you expect to get?

[Graham Ryding, Equity Research Analyst at TD Securities]

And then if that's it, what is your visibility on the potential sale there?

[Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

It's part of that, Graham, and then we also- it's sort of a wholesome forbearance agreements that we're signing. So it's a combination of factors of, you know, a new agreed-to interest rate, the borrower continuing to inject capital into the assets, the pledge, as you mentioned, and then we extended the term to 2025, so sort of reaching an agreement with the borrower on that strategy. And then the borrower will now continue to lease the assets, and to stabilize the underlying property NOI. And we are seeing green shoots in the Calgary market, but we're not anticipating sales in the next 12 months. Likely more in the 18-24. But there needs to be stabilization of the underlying property income first, before we take those assets to market. The borrower, I should say.

[Graham Ryding, Equity Research Analyst at TD Securities]

Okay. Is it fair to say that the retail portfolio in Vancouver, you expect an earlier resolution to those assets versus the office properties in Calgary?

[Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Yeah, that's absolutely true. And then with the-- and with the retail-- with the, the Vancouver properties, it's multiple loans, multiple assets. So where as opposed to, you know, like the Quebec City portfolio, which was a singular process that resolved at one time, this should be more of a step function. Depending on, as assets come up for sale and close, we would anticipate getting partial repayments sort of over the next 12 months.

[Graham Ryding, Equity Research Analyst at TD Securities]

Understood.

[Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Which is more, which is easier to manage from our perspective as well.

[Graham Ryding, Equity Research Analyst at TD Securities]

Okay, understood. That's it for me. Thank you.

[Blair Tamblyn, CEO at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Thanks, Graham.

[Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Thanks, Graham.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Stephen Boland. Stephen, your line is now open.

[Blair Tamblyn, CEO at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Hi, Steve.

[Stephen Boland, Managing Director at Raymond James]

Hi, can you hear me okay?

[Blair Tamblyn, CEO at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Yeah, I can.

[Stephen Boland, Managing Director at Raymond James]

Okay, great. Just a couple questions, maybe following on Graham's stuff. I mean, you know, 2023 obviously was a challenging year, but you seem to have come through it. Notwithstanding rates moving up as high as they did, and some of these durations of these mortgages that went Stage 2 and 3 were a little bit older, what has changed, or if anything, on your underwriting process? Like, is there anything that you've gained from this process? I mean, are you gonna lower LTVs? Are you avoiding certain segments, geographies? I'm just wondering, not so much about growth- just what about, you know, how you protect the downside? I think.

[Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Yeah, I know, that's—it's funny, right? I would say, and I'm looking across at Geoff McTait here, our originations leader, like, we always underwrite every like, we do a full in-house underwriting of every asset we've ever been involved in. And so we obviously use third-party appraisals, but we have a very deep team involved, soup to nuts, from the beginning of how we source our loans through to the underwriting process. So, you know, while we get recourse and we... Sponsorship is a big focus of our initiative, of our focus when we underwrite assets. Really, the underwriting asset, collateral, and quality is a key part of how we like to lend.

[Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

So when we go into sort of that pre-COVID condition or pre the interest rates going up in 2022, you know, we're underwriting at, you know, 5%, 5.5% interest rates, and cap rates are 4%. And that's the environment that you're in. You know, we're doing our best to ensure that these are assets. Hey, we, we think that there's, there's NOI and NOI growth potential in the assets, Steve, and, assets that we like. We go through to, and so to protect us essentially from what happened... So in 2023, when all of a sudden there was a rapid rise in floating rates and rates went from 5%-10%, there's no, listen, there's no question, not a lot of underwriters are planning for that, that, that rapid, that rapid of an increase.

[Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

But what we feel good about is that we know at the end of the day, as there's problems, we hope our borrowers can work that out. But if not, we think that the assets are there to have that value. And as we work through our remedies and get to conclusion, that's why we feel good about our process and the track record that we'll be able to demonstrate as we sort of take loans through the stages, through to payoffs. And I think when we look at our process today, so I don't think that we're necessarily doing things differently because we're still a complete—you know, we do a complete level of macro and micro analysis that you would expect us to do.

[Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

I think the difference is, though, for us and why we're sort of, we really think kind of 2024 and 2025 is attractive, is that the market's reset a bit. So when you have a very, very strong middle innings of the real estate market, you know, the borrowers demand a lot. There's a lot of lenders stepping up, valuations are high, and it's just a more aggressive environment. I think today you're seeing a lot more hesitation, buyers and sellers, prices are down a bit, and lenders can just-- we're a little bit more in the driver's seat to demand, you know, a lower loan to value or an increased structure, or stronger sponsorship.

[Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

So it's a variety of elements at this time of the cycle, where just sort of the lenders are a little bit more in the driver's seat, and that allows us to underwrite attractive loans. And Geoff, I want to go on to add, or Blair?

[Geoff McTait, Head of Canadian Originations and Global Syndications at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Yeah, I mean, I think, yeah, obviously don't disagree with any, anything you said there. I mean, obviously, the reality of the last couple of years and the rapid rise is something that, you know, again, where and when we look at and, and think through and, and, and run our math again, we're focused on the exit, and the exit today, within a higher interest rate environment, is going to deliver less loan proceeds than it historically would have. So, you know, the potential there for us, certainly, maybe we add a little, a little incremental buffer on the back end to ensure that there's, you know, a, a baseline of comfort and, and room in the, in the exit. And obviously, yeah, we, and Scott said, we, we've always been very, very focused on sponsorship, network and liquidity, et cetera.

[Geoff McTait, Head of Canadian Originations and Global Syndications at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Again, that's something that we're gonna, you know, maybe look at, at an extra, you know, time or two as we go through. We see what's happened, where and when we understand the borrowers have, maybe it is too much construction, too much land, too much floating rate within their broader empire analysis that we do to determine liquidity and stresses that could happen. Because, again, the fundamental real estate underwriting that we've historically done hasn't changed. And but again, obviously, the reality of the last couple of years is gonna play into how we think about the world going forward and how we think about exposures with any one group or any combination of things. So we're, we're definitely taking it. It's a learning opportunity for sure.

[Geoff McTait, Head of Canadian Originations and Global Syndications at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Again, we do a fulsome approach, and this is just new data that we incorporate into our analysis and how we, how we underwrite and think about deals.

[Blair Tamblyn, CEO at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Hey, Steve, it's Blair. I'll just add a couple quick things. You and I have talked about these a bit, but so if we go back up to 30,000 ft, I mean, our style of lending is to support growth, right? As we talked about. So we're looking to help people acquire assets, invest in them, and drive up rents, drive up NOI. So, you know, to Scott's point, at the tail end of the cycle, the purchase prices were, you know, highly tuned, right? So rents, you're still seeing growth, but it was-- they're very tight margins, so harder to lend. You fast-forward till now, and, to your point about what's changed, well, what's changed is values have come off, so the pricing isn't quite as finely tuned as it was.

[Blair Tamblyn, CEO at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

So we're still looking to support growth, support people that are buying assets to improve them, but there's just a little bit more room there. And importantly, the V in the LTV is reflecting this reduction in values. It's different in different asset classes, but I don't think anyone would argue that values are down, you know, over the past couple of years. So that makes it, you know, those are fundamental differences.

[Stephen Boland, Managing Director at Raymond James]

Okay. Well, that's, that's good color. And Blair, again, I kinda—I apologize if I've, I've asked you this, but, certainly you're, you're—we're talking about growth again, 2024, 2025. You've locked in a, a, a lower overall credit facility, for that time period. So are you comfortable that you, you're gonna have the capacity, you know, if, if things go better than expected, just say in 2025, that you're gonna have room, you know, even though I know you have an accordion, I'm just, I'm just curious about the, the decision about reducing the credit line when we're, we're talking about regrowing the business.

[Blair Tamblyn, CEO at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Yeah. Look, I mean, our syndicate is really supportive. We as a company, you know, felt it made the most sense to modestly reduce the facility based upon the utilization, and obviously, there's, you know, standby fees for that sort of thing. We have capacity. You know, Scott answered Graham's question a minute ago. We have capacity to get back to CAD 1.1 billion-CAD 1.2 billion, which is, generally speaking, where we've operated. You know, as the fundamentals improve, Geoff and his team are happy there's gonna be flow there, and if there's flow there, that, you know, that generally means that, you know, the opportunity to continue growing will be there. I mean, it's, but it all has to balance, right?

[Blair Tamblyn, CEO at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

So we, you know, target a balance between leverage—you know, a leverage ratio, so we're not gonna continue to add debt without adding equity. So we'll see how the, you know, the equity markets react to the, you know, the business improving, and if we can grow the business, we'd love to, of course.

[Geoff McTait, Head of Canadian Originations and Global Syndications at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Yeah, and I would just add to that. I mean, from my standpoint on the syndication front, which is kind of our other lever to drive incremental growth, where and when we're fully utilized on the line, I think maybe last quarter I had referenced some constraints underlying some changes in OSFI capital ratios, which, you know, could restrict our institutional syndicate partners from participating in more opportunities.

[Geoff McTait, Head of Canadian Originations and Global Syndications at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Those restrictions have been removed or clarified such that within the core space in which we operate, and again, primarily focusing on income-producing multifamily residential, that the required capital ratios have returned to their historic levels, which creates a cost-effective, and certainly an increased appetite and higher potential for us to go and syndicate more deals, which is, again, what we do to create incremental capacity beyond the availability of the bank line.

[Stephen Boland, Managing Director at Raymond James]

Okay. That's all for me. Thanks, guys.

[Blair Tamblyn, CEO at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Great. Thanks, Steve. Thanks.

[Operator]

As a reminder, if you have any questions, please use the Raise Hand button at the bottom of your screen. There are no other questions at this time, so I'll turn the meeting back to Blair Tamblyn for closing remarks.

[Blair Tamblyn, CEO at Timbercreek Financial Corp]

Great. Thanks, everyone, for joining us today. We certainly appreciate your time. We look forward to speaking again when we release our Q2 results in about 90 days. In the interim, as always, please feel free to reach out to the team if you have any questions. Have a good afternoon.

Participants

Executives

• Blair Tamblyn, CEO
• Geoff McTait, Head of Canadian Originations and Global Syndications
• Scott Rowland, Chief Investment Officer
• Tracy Johnston, CFO

Analysts

• Graham Ryding, Equity Research Analyst at TD Securities
• Stephen Boland, Managing Director at Raymond James