Energy Vault Q1 & Investor Day 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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May 9, 2024

There are 22 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, everybody. Welcome to EnergyVault's 1st Investor and Analyst Day. On stage, I'd like to welcome Bernie Colson, who's going to take us through the Safe Harbor language.

Speaker 1

Good morning. Welcome to Energy Vault's inaugural Investor and Analyst Day. Thanks for being here with us today, those here in New York, as well as those joining us virtually. The full Investor and Analyst Day presentation, Q1 financial results press release and an abridged earnings presentation are all available now on our investor website. We will be referring to these materials throughout the day.

Speaker 1

A replay of this event will also be made available later today on the Investor Relations page of our website. The entirety of the Investor and Analyst Day is being recorded and broadcast virtually. Please note that Energy Vault's Q1 2024 earnings release as well as today's Investor and Analyst Day presentation will contain forward looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties. These forward looking statements are only estimates and may differ materially from the actual future events or results due to a variety of factors. We caution everyone to be guided in their analysis of Energy Vault by referring to our SEC filings for a list of factors that may cause our results to differ from those anticipated in any forward looking statement.

Speaker 1

We undertake no obligation to publicly information. Please refer to the Safe Harbor disclaimer and non GAAP information. Please refer to the Safe Harbor disclaimer and non GAAP financial measures presented in our earnings release for more details, including a reconciliation to comparable GAAP measures.

Speaker 2

History has shown us that true progress is the undertaking of the few made by those that race towards the biggest challenges and tackle the unknown with conviction, fueled by the people that take on questions others deem impossible, unlocking opportunity with their answers. Today, together, we will unlock our vault and share with you all that it contains. Within it is our journey, one that's taking us to all four corners of the globe. Element of power grids, reliably powering homes, offices, businesses, communities in a way that's unique, safe, sustainable, and indigenous. What others see as the future, we're making happen right now, delivering projects that can be seen in real time, building infrastructure and licensing our technology around the world.

Speaker 2

Within our vault is our hardware with its short, long and ultra long duration capabilities as well as our cutting edge hybrid enabled software that can seamlessly orchestrate and optimize the most ambitious operational needs. Our unparalleled expertise is in the vault too, with our dedicated global R and D and engineering teams always looking to the future, addressing the big challenges and answering our toughest questions, ones that affect us all today and for generations to come. Our journey is only just beginning. Already, it's accelerating. The momentum of clean power is unstoppable.

Speaker 2

And our storage is the essential driver for it happening better, faster, and quicker than anyone thought possible. We're in the right place at the right time, and we've opened the vault. Take a look and see what's inside.

Operator

I'm delighted and to welcome to the stage Robert Piccone, our Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer.

Speaker 3

Okay. Good morning, afternoon and evening to everybody. I appreciate all of you that have joined us here in New York this morning. It is great to be back. I also want to welcome everybody that's dialing in.

Speaker 3

We have a a few took the company public on Valentine's Day in 2022. Amazing the last two years and what it's been. And I think in terms of timing and as I think about the timing of us having this dialogue and this concept of unlocking the Vault and what we've done in the last 2 years in different solutions all over the world, four corners of the world, different technologies, it is the right time to have this discussion. And why is that? This is now a discussion not about what will come or what needs to be proven or what we are going to do.

Speaker 3

It's building off a base of what we've already done from turning over a gigawatt hour already in the United States, for example, in battery projects, getting our technology up and operating, for example, in China. It will be a very data driven discussion today, as you would expect. This is an Investor Day. So I think there'll be a lot of transparency. We have a new CFO that I'll be introducing here in a minute that's going to be covering most of that.

Speaker 3

But it will also be a customer driven discussion, meaning this is a discussion that's going to come from also testimonials from our customers that are operating the systems that we built and delivered. So in terms of us having a dialogue, I think, with investors now about what we've done in the last 2 years, but then very importantly, what we're going to be doing in the next few years as an investment thesis, It's quite a strong compelling message we feel that we've put together today. And with what we're doing in the energy storage space and transforming how we deploy solutions, how we solve customer problems from a mentality and mindset. I hope you'll agree with me that we're really innovating in ways no one has ever done in energy storage and at a speed and velocity that has not been seen. On the agenda here, we've got a, I think, a great portfolio of things to discuss.

Speaker 3

I'm going to spend some time upfront talking about some of the state of the business. We are going to get into some numbers here right away and go over some of the things we are announcing new today. So part of this day is not only about getting into what we've done, getting into what we're going to be doing over the next few years, so we will be sharing some of that guidance. But today, we're also announcing new customers, new products, new regions and also sharing a little bit about our business model, opening up the kimono a little bit on how some of these things are going to flow over the next few years. We've got a great and deep set of discussions around our product portfolio.

Speaker 3

So I think that's fundamental and important. It's a great, I think, time for us to be talking about that technology given what's happening in the market. Uniquely, just in the last two weeks, I've spent 10 of those days going around the world into China, also in Saudi Arabia that I'll talk about for the World Economic Forum, and then coming back here, actually flew back over the pole. So it was quite a round trip. I'm going to share some of those perspectives because there are some transformational things happening in energy, transformational in terms of the amount of just the pure terawatt demand that we're seeing and that the world is seeing and a lot of questions of how we're going to meet that demand.

Speaker 3

Absolutely, I think what would be undisputed and not disputed at all is energy storage is going to play an important role. We're going to be finishing with Michael Bier, our new CFO that's, I think, what is this, your I think 4th week or 3rd week, Michael on the job? 4th week in the job. Very excited to have Michael here and having him covering the bulk of what we're going to be going over financially, both in terms of the results we it's another So it's another, I think, unique time given we're progressed here in 2024. We have pretty good visibility, as you would expect, in terms of the rest of this year, but as well as what we have underway into 2025.

Speaker 3

So Michael is going to be covering that. We will insert some question and answer periods within this and a lot of very exciting content and videos directly from our customers. That's how we lead. That's what drives our company. At the end of the day, we can say and you can believe what you want from what comes from our mouths, but at the end of the day, it's the customer that decides who's best.

Speaker 3

They're choosing us. That feels great, and we're going to share with you what that's going to look like over the next few years. Okay. We're going to start with numbers, and let's first start by looking back over the last 2 years. We built almost $500,000,000 of revenue over the last 2 years.

Speaker 3

I think in energy storage is obviously a newer space from a technology perspective. But as an energy storage company, there are some that have been around for 10 to 15 years, pretty unprecedented in what we've done here in the 1st 24 months of revenue, and with a gross margin profile that is quite unusual in this space as well. So to have a blended double digit gross margin, a combination of businesses where we've been able to monetize, for example, our gravity energy storage in a long duration market that is still evolving and still can be described as nascent. I think that's going to be changing more quickly than we thought. I'll share with you why in a little bit.

Speaker 3

But also built and built a very large funnel. Marco Tedizin is here, our Chief Product and Commercial Officer, that if you start from the left side, almost 10 gigawatt hours of things, it's either awarded or shortlisted. Very interestingly, over 60% of that that's awarded and shortlisted comes from either existing customers where we've already turned things over or strategic partners, investors. So obviously a high confidence there, we're going to talk about that a little later. Contracted of the 2 gigawatt hours, some of which we've seen in some of the revenue already, but a full gigawatt hour now in operation and you're going to be hearing from our customers in that regard.

Speaker 3

But very importantly, in our 1st 2 years, all the projects we've delivered on time, on budget, safe, and again, no surprise the priority that is today, especially with some of the incidents that have occurred in some of the technologies, but with the team we've built, not a surprise to me that we're managing that very well and all with quality. Akshayla was here and they're going to be talking a little bit about our software and our execution that he's driving for the company. And then I think very importantly for investors, strong cash position, we have managed that and continue to manage that well. It's very important because that gives us the optionality and the flexibility as a company to do things like investing in our R and D centers and new customer centers that you're going to learn more about today, to make some strategic investments as we've done in key strategic partners and just keep the working capital going through a business that's been a tough last 2 years between the interest rate environment, what's happening on the geopolitical arena. So we have to continue to plan for the unexpected and continue to manage as the stewards of investor and shareholder money.

Speaker 3

No debt on the balance sheet. And I think importantly, we have not nor do we have plans to do any dilutive type of financing. And I think if you look at a company of our size and scale and our growth, that's something quite unique, something we're proud of, but always looking now as we're growing more and more for continuing to look at ways to get growth capital into the company with some of the business models that we're going to be sharing with you today. If you look on the right side of that page, across our gravity, our battery and hydrogen portfolio, very interestingly monetizing in the business model in different ways, gravity through licenses and in some of the biggest markets in the world like China. We are building out and have built out over a gigawatt hour of lithium ion batteries.

Speaker 3

And then another business model with the green hydrogen, the largest one in the U. S. Announced with the largest California utility, We own that project. It's a 10.5 year tolling agreement. So different technologies, different business models, all managed in a progression that we feel very good about.

Speaker 3

And with a customer set as you read there that it is really some of the largest players in their respective either states or in their category like IPPs. So China, if you follow us closely, which I think most of you either on the call or here in the room do, we had some big announcements over the weekend. The first operation and testing successful of a system that's charging and discharging our first gravity system in Rudong in China. It was grid interconnected last year in December, mechanically complete a little earlier in the Q3. So everything's progressed despite 2 COVID shutdowns in Shanghai, progressed in a very positive way with that and up to and including this past weekend.

Speaker 3

I was just there the week before in Shanghai. I'll share a little bit more from that trip. We also announced with China Tianying an extension of another 7.5 years of our license agreement, which will bring future royalties. On the left hand side, some, again, top customers, Wellhead, one of the largest and oldest companies in California of gas peaker plants, but now going with hybridization. That came online in the summer at a very critical period.

Speaker 3

For those of you that know California, it's a tough market, especially if you're building things right in the middle of a neighborhood, which is where this was. So not a small achievement there at an important time for Wellhead. Nevada Energy, the largest energy company, a largest utility in the state of Nevada, completed a project in 4 months, 4 40 Megawatt Hour, never been done in that time frame before to get them up and energized before the end of the year, big accomplishment of the team putting that together and the partners we used. Jupiter Power, the largest IPP in ERCOT, BlackRock backed, another battery project brought online and energized just January last quarter and now being brought to final completion here this quarter. So a lot happening that culminated in the Pacific Gas and Electric announcement we made about 1.5 years ago and now building and delivering that project this summer.

Speaker 3

It was a great culmination, if you look at the 1st 12 months we had, of demonstrating our energy solution approach of addressing an ultra long duration need that Pacific Gas and Electra thought could only be solved with gas because of the nature of what was a requirement. They bring in diesel gen every year. We proposed a sustainable solution. We designed it. We architected it.

Speaker 3

We brought the best technology to the market to do it, and now we're deploying it. Again, another first and we'll be one of the first ones operational. And it really solidifies our leadership globally in long duration technology to have these technologies not only announced, not only being built, the gravity system now operating in China and now this ultra long duration microgrid will be operating this year. All first, very excited and that everything I've just described and spending some time on it really starts with leadership and people. I'm talking about this upfront.

Speaker 3

It's not just about the 10 people that you see on this chart. It's the 180 strong of our employees. That's not a large number, by the way. It shows the flexibility of our business model and also the not only the CapEx light, but the resource light way We deal with technology development but are very resourced to work with our customers in developing projects as well as executing those projects safely and on time, we've done it. So it's not something that I'm standing here saying we're going to do.

Speaker 3

We have been doing that. It is a strength and core value of this company to be known about delivery and execution. The other thing, if you look at this team from a leadership perspective, we are very global. This is not a U. S.-centric team at all.

Speaker 3

Everyone you see here is here except Andrea Pedrotti, our CTO, who's Swiss by birth but living now in California. And he's hosting a technology collaboration session with also some customers, hence he could not be here in person. Gunja Ekuran is here, our Head of HR. They're in the back from Turkey originally, worked in Switzerland from the health care area, Pfizer, Amgen out in California. We were lucky to grab her when we were out there and avoid her to move.

Speaker 3

But again, global, multinational, functionally excellent and the people function and has been a great partner as we've built this company very quickly. Laurence Alexander is here. You heard from him a little bit earlier, based out of the U. K. And handles all of our marketing PR activity.

Speaker 3

Michael Beer, we announced a few weeks ago and is here, there in the back of the room, our new CFO, and we'll be taking through a lot of the financial areas. But a lot of experience, no stranger to high growth and public companies. Josh McMorrow, who's based out of Germany, is also here, our Chief Legal Officer of the company and just a wealth of experience dealing globally in all the parts of the world where we're strong in building and growing. Chris Weasy here also in the front. Chris, I've worked with for over 20 years across 4 companies.

Speaker 3

So we know each other. That's for the good and the bad, I guess you say, and that makes work very well and very lucky to have him pull them out of retirement to come and help us out. He's in Texas there where we are announcing a new solution center for energy that's already being built in collaboration with Enel Green Power. Marco Tittizzin, our Chief Product and Commercial Officer, an Italian by birth, has worked all over the year all over the world, including 7 years in China after the Kyoto Protocol, looking at putting in place new carbon pricing models there. So just a wealth of experience.

Speaker 3

Akshay Lidwar from India originally, more experience I think from an integration perspective than most in the world, having spent a lot of time at Greenspan Energy and integrating over 100 projects in 12 countries. There is a reason we've been able to commission these systems in the last 12 months, bring them up safely, bring them up at the quality customers expect. And it's not just about developing good technology. It starts with people and experience. Those customers that were on that prior stage do not give orders to new customers that present risks to them.

Speaker 3

Public utilities do not take risk. Companies like Wellhead, tried and true, very conservative company, they do not take risk. They do bet on people and they do bet on some of the best people in the industry. I feel very good about this team. Finishing here, Kevin Keogh, who we crossed path at Danaher, a company.

Speaker 3

Many of you in the financial community know and the corporate development side and assisting us on development initiatives for the company. Okay. Starting off here to talk a little bit about what are we announcing today that's new. There is a lot new. I think with Energy Vault, you can always expect the unexpected.

Speaker 3

There's a lot that goes on behind the scenes we get done with a very efficient team. With China, you saw that we announced the first operation of the system and the testing of the system, the discharging of the system for the first time. But we also announced an extension of that license agreement, and that's fundamental. You'll remember that they paid and prepaid $50,000,000 upfront to have that right to deploy the technology. Of course, what's the most exciting part for us is getting to deployments at volume.

Speaker 3

So having this first system up and running now, but already they had started 6 months ago a second system that was already out of the ground, obviously shows a lot of confidence from them, but already announced also 3.7 gigawatt hours of projects in gravity. I mean, that's a number that is not announced by any other long duration storage technology, showing the flexibility of the technology that the mandate in China for hours, they are using that system for 4 hours. So just tremendous in terms of the confidence in building that out. That is a long technical life asset. That's part of the reason they're deploying it initially for the 4 hours.

Speaker 3

Long duration will come in China as well, but I don't think we could have chosen a better place given it's the largest energy storage market in the world. Shortly, China will be deploying and has been at a pace of renewables greater than the rest of the world combined. And that's not a light statement with a mandate of 20% of storage at power times for what's going to probably become 6 hours. Those are big numbers. You can do the math on that.

Speaker 3

You've seen the numbers on China. There's a reason we went there to get the technology developed in a way that positions us well and a lot of confidence. I hope it gives the investor community the fact that when I was there 10 days ago, signing a doubling of the time of the license agreement around our core EVX technology there. So not a lot of companies doing that. I think in China these days, we've worked very well with our partner, China Tianying.

Speaker 3

The other thing to mention and we announced already is another license agreement for Gravity in South Africa. That's not just South Africa, that's the Sadik region. So that includes 16 member states, very excited about the potential there. I'll mention and it's with 1 of the largest public well, the largest publicly traded EPC in South Africa, WBAHO, the company is called Getzel itself, which is the partnership that was created to build out the technology. What's not on here is Aqua Power.

Speaker 3

So this is public already, but Aqua Power, which is a $35,000,000,000 plus desalination plant player, one of the largest in the world, they're also one of the largest EPCs backed by the Public Investment Fund in Saudi Arabia. They did a competition of 20 different companies for long duration energy storage to look at helping the needs, in particular, in South Africa with projects and energy storage to combine with renewables, and we were one of the 2 companies selected. So that was released, I believe, in March by Aqua Power directly, and we are moving on that partnership and now looking at locations, not just in Africa with them. So very excited about that given what that brings. And then very excitingly, just to move down the page to the left, we announced this, this morning, the entry into Australia and an entry into what is not just a country, but a continent.

Speaker 3

I think one of the most important growth markets for energy storage in the world. They're looking at some fascinating things in that continent, including building out massive solar to leverage that sun, looking at building out subsea DC cables to go to places like Singapore, for example, or into Southeast Asia to power some of the largest cities in the world, but also a very strong utility and IPP environment in and of itself. A lot of companies there like one of our investment partners, Korea Zinc, big strategies there to make green hydrogen. To make green hydrogen with the sun, you need long duration important. But to have a market entry where we what we announced this morning with ASIN, which is based in Southeast Asia, but has is an IPP and operations in Australia.

Speaker 3

It's one of the owners of 1 of the largest solar plants, the New England solar plant in Australia, 7 20 megawatts. So this 400 megawatt hour that we announced this morning with ASIN is going to be coupling to that solar development for storage. So very excited. There's actually 2 projects that's a part of that 400 megawatt hour. We will be getting started on that the second half of this year and having it deployed through 2025.

Speaker 3

Another very large project we developed, it's listed here is and will be the largest battery project in the world developed there in Australia, working on that and you'll be hearing more about that project. But suffice to say, we have other things going on in here in Australia as well in our very near term pipeline and funnel, but a lot going on in a country that we've always represented is a strategic growth priority for us. You'll remember that we appointed our first non U. S.-based Board member last quarter, Stephanie Unwin. She's the CEO of Horizon Power.

Speaker 3

So there was no coincidence there in terms of the timing As we have been developing in the Australian market since even back to the IPO, recall that Korea Zinc invested $50,000,000 in the company in January just before the IPO. So Korea Zinc based in obviously in Korea, but they're the largest non ferrous metals produced in the world. So that's not only zinc, that's silver, that's lead, soft metal called indium, which is a rare earth metal. So all of that core ore operations is in Australia. And they have publicly stated global aspirations there around green hydrogen.

Speaker 3

The development of that and being one of the largest net exporters from Australia into Southeast Asia into Korea with that I'm very excited to have them as a strategic partner and supporting what their plans are. They want to have the first 100% green zinc production facility. Really, I can't speak enough about them and their not only setting goals, but putting wood behind the arrow with investment and build out. So with their subsidiary, ARC Energy, they acquired over 9 gigawatts of wind and solar projects. So this was all publicly announced in the last 18 months.

Speaker 3

So they are moving and developing and really excited about that partnership. On the right side there, some of the new portfolio of things that we're announcing. And if you look at those pictures and the development of what's behind that, that we're going to share in some detail today, we're announcing many new applications of our gravity. That those applications are focused on, 1st of all, economics, so really achieving the lowest levelized cost over time. As you know, gravity is not new.

Speaker 3

It's actually the law in some aspects and something that's the basis of what today is about 95% of all energy storage, which are pumped hydroelectric dams. So we are leveraging those applications, continuing to innovate. You're going to hear from some of our innovation leaders on this today. You'll see there EV0, EVY. Some of these things are also expanding our total addressable market.

Speaker 3

So this will be new. We're very excited today to be announcing a new strategic partnership with Skidmore, Owings and Merrill. Because they have a large office here in New York, for the people in the room, you may know them. So they're one of the most renowned engineering and architectural firms. Bill Baker is here.

Speaker 3

He will be up on stage with me today. He, as a part of SOM, was the lead designer and architect around the Burj Khalifa, the largest building in the world, 8 20 meters. There are going to be many large superstructures built, many, many over the next 10, 20, 30 years. We can do it very efficiently now, but most importantly, we are going to be mandated and it will be required to look at things like carbon payback on these buildings. And we've been innovating around integrating energy storage and in particular, gravity energy storage in the design of superstructures and tall buildings.

Speaker 3

So very excited to share that. It does introduce a whole new addressable market for us that I think from a financial or analyst perspective would not have been included in how you've been thinking about some of the things that are addressable to us. I think one of the hopefully the confidences we've earned is that we are no stranger to taking technology and applying it to solve either customer problems or environmental problems in a very strong way. This is another example of that. We're also going to have Doctor.

Speaker 3

Jose Andrade that's been working with Energy Vault since the beginning, Chair of Mechanical and Civil Engineering at Caltech, which probably has one of the most world renowned seismic studies in the world. So we're going to be talking about and sharing a little bit about what we're doing on that technology side and what that means in terms of how we're thinking about the evolution of the company and the evolution of the gravity technology. And then finally, we're going to be talking about some other projects that are known, I think, to the community in terms of the PG and E project with Calistoga. That is one that we are keeping on our balance sheet and have a 10.5 year tolling agreement. In Snyder, Texas, we also acquired a 57 Megawatt Interconnect.

Speaker 3

That's another project we are going to be owning, keeping on our balance sheet. We are and will be doing project financing. So from just a cash perspective, there's pretty attractive models out there to project finance these given all of these projects are low double digit unlevered IRRs. We're going to talk a little bit more about this market and how we see it evolving, but we see a very attractive space here for attractive assets to own them. We don't have to own them for their life.

Speaker 3

There's obviously a lot of companies where we can flip those out to for cash as needed, but they are assets and a part of our business model that we will be continuing to evolve as we want to become as a public company much more predictable, a bit in our cash flows, as our revenues go every year. I think one of the things you've seen with us is the nature of being a young company and in a new growth space. And I don't want to apologize for this, but we have lumpy cash flows and lumpy type of revenue. It's a nature of being in a new growth area. I'm personally no stranger to it from 33 years working across both public companies, some of the largest and new startup and innovative companies that are growing fast.

Speaker 3

But I think incumbent upon us as we do our planning to look at our business models, look at the leverage of our team today, look at how we spend our CapEx and our OpEx and putting in place something that is going to be a very strong business model for shareholders and excited to share a little bit more about that you today. And then finally, we have an R and D center that we've been building out, a customer solution center that's a part of the initial collaboration with Enel Green Power in Texas. We acquired an interconnect from them there. We have a research and development collaboration agreement with them that initially started with a project we're going to turn over. Enel has a lot of global aspirations from 33 countries, Enel Green Power.

Speaker 3

In addition, they want to see a lot of our newer technologies proven out at a commercial scale. And so this isn't just about one application of gravity, but as you're going to hear, it's about some of these new applications of gravity, for example, taking advantage of slopes that exist. And there are many, meaning in each country, there are thousands of places where instead of building a structure and that cost to build a structure like an EVX, we can leverage existing terrain, leverage, for example, our same technology with our composite blocks or as you're going to learn today, even with water in a modular pump hydro solution, which is what we received the award from Aqua Power for, that achieves economics that have not been achieved in long duration or projected. And that's because we're limiting that construction cost and leveraging some of the terrain. So a lot of those new technologies are going to be built out in this solution center.

Speaker 3

It's underway. It's happening this year. We will have technologies shown and demonstrated within this year in some of these new things we're going to learn about today. So very excited this will consume, I think, a good chunk of even some of the product in the portfolio, discussion that we're going to have with some of the leaders, and we're going to sprinkle in direct customer testimonials. There is no substitute.

Speaker 3

And as much as I think about my team, as you can tell, you all will be the judge of me in the end. However, there is no substitute to hearing directly from our customers where we build projects, turn them over, they're live and operating and listen to them talk about how we've executed together. Return from this trip, 2 things to highlight here, and I'll start in China in the bottom right. That was the beginning of the trip that led to the announcement of the new agreement and no coincidence, but the full operation of the system and as witnessed by some of the government officials locally. This was an important milestone for us, not only all the milestones that were achieved the last 6 months as we brought that system up and going through what's a complex process in China and a government mandated and controlled environment even at each province level and achieving what we did in terms of showing that operation.

Speaker 3

A lot of discussion on, hey, how is Gravity doing? How is the Perf system coming? Is everything going to work as planned? CNBC was there, CNBC Asia, they did a 30 minute video. We're translating it for you.

Speaker 3

One of the key outputs of that is the performance above expectations. We're going to be sharing more of that as our local partner puts that data together, so you'll be seeing some more updates on that. Very exciting, very exciting, also the extension of the agreement. The other trip we had was in Riyadh and I was accompanied by Bill Gross, who's a co founder of Energy Vault also the founder of Idealab, really interested to be a part of that meeting that it was called a global meeting looking at collaboration, development and energy. And the energy topics we all know, not only renewables, but getting into the equity of energy and energy development.

Speaker 3

And as well, the fundamental question coming out of those sessions that had a breakout group that's Advanced Energy Solutions. There's multiple CEOs from across the world a part of that, both new technology and existing. So I've been a part of that for about 18 months. We signed a new collaboration agreement with the World Economic Forum, as you see there. The main question coming out of there fundamental, with all the growth that's coming and even well above the projections, I'm going to share some data, how are we going to meet that demand for energy?

Speaker 3

And do we have this pending energy crisis coming? It got a lot of dialogue. Interesting nuclear has come strong back into an SMR, strong back into this discussion. And this coexistence that's going to be what I believe will be for a long time, especially some of the new technologies that make even fossil fuel more efficient and less GHG emitting. We're going to need all the power we can get.

Speaker 3

Absolutely, renewables and storage will play a key component of that, but it really is massive. And if you look at some of the data out here, and this is just I'll start with on the left hand side, what you're looking at in 2023 is about under $1,000,000,000,000 of investments that have been made versus by 2,030. So that's not a 2,050 number. That is a 2,030 growth of the investment that would be required. It's, I think, dollars 4,000,000,000,000 to 5,000,000,000,000.

Speaker 3

So we would be on track for 2,050 net carbon neutral. So this is definitely a WEF, we're looking at our foreign type of topic because it puts things front and center on what our country is doing to try to increase that spending. It is a large gap, I think, in what we see today. But the other thing is more, I think, impressive in a way is this chart on the right hand side, which we're looking at is just in 2 years and what was forecasted in 2022 versus the light blue, it was forecasted in 2023. So in just 1 year, the forecasts have massively ramped in terms of what that worldwide energy storage demand outlook in gigawatt hours is going to be.

Speaker 3

And that's just in 1 year. And what is not a surprise, I know, to all of you of why is that happening, this isn't only about this part on the left here, this demand growth and what's happening with electric vehicles and electrification, but think about the last 3 to 6 months, what's been so topical. So this is about now generative AI and just pure processing, hyperscalers, Bitcoin. But with all of that productivity that AI is intended to enable, that is going to suck a lot of power. And a lot of people are now thinking about how are we going to meet that demand.

Speaker 3

A lot of that with the wind and solar build out, you see their supply variability that will create more intermittency and therefore a higher demand. And I know this is no surprise to anybody here, storage will continue to be a strong imperative for that. And as you look at this with that same chart on the left, this breaks it out a little bit by segment. We typically, as a company and I think just as an industry, it's hard to go out more than 3, 5, 8 years just because things change so much. If you go back to when we founded the company, if I go back to that 2018, 2017, we had a view of the world then that thought long duration would be here and be even half of the market of new deployments right now.

Speaker 3

And it's actually still developing, still developing. We uniquely are monetizing our long duration technology through licensing. No one else is and doing that in a very highly profitable way that will bring future royalties with volume when it comes, and it will come. But this gives you a sense just by technology, the types of numbers that are going to be spent. We're very focused in this next 2, 4, 6 years that drive our technologies that we're bringing to market today for that future.

Speaker 3

And even with hydrogen, the development of hydrogen, we don't believe it's any silver bullet out there, I think, for the world, but it will have a place in some key applications. As the microgrid backup that we developed, it was the only way to sustainably back up a city of 5,000 residents, turn off the diesel gen that they have to roll in there every year during the fire season. So the numbers are all there. I know we see them, but it is when you step back and look at just in the last 12 months, what's been developed, it's pretty staggering. And it has it continues to, I would say, adapt my perspective and our country's perspective on things that we may accelerate a bit more to deal with it.

Speaker 3

And if you start with the regions of the world where those opportunities are, 90% are in 5 countries. So I want to simplify this a bit for investors. This is part of unlocking the vault and opening up a bit how we look at the world. All of this, of course, information will be public and online here, but this will give you some of the data that's behind what we're doing. Why are we an energy solutions provider?

Speaker 3

Why are we unique in that? We are the only energy storage provider in the world that's providing short, long and these new ultra long duration solutions. Clearly, it has to prove out with investors of they believe that will be valuable. Obviously, that's not reflected in the stock price today. But as we focus on it, just to get into the data a bit, these countries represent where we have a lot of focus.

Speaker 3

I would not roll out and especially from what I've learned the last 3 months, India is doing a lot of things with some of the biggest industrial customers in the world that are based out of India are looking at big initiatives that are looking at 20 fourseven renewable. And if you think about 20 fourseven renewable for industrial, think about what I mentioned about this generative AI and more data centers and that need because that is absolutely a 20 fourseven need that today cannot be met in a renewable way for 20 fourseven. That's economic. That's economic. So I think very exciting there.

Speaker 3

I would add that South Africa is also a very interesting and developing market. It won't have the numbers yet, just like India doesn't today. But suffice to say, the things that do get done there, and I'd say in particular India, when they're done, they will be large. They will be large. Nothing will be done small as those things come and catch up.

Speaker 3

So focused on those high growth technologies and focused here in the highest growth geographies. We have not only infrastructure over the world, but a lot of our initial customer deployments are in these same spaces. As I said, I think Southern Africa and Africa as a continent and developing as typical like they did in telecommunications, skipping generations of tech and jumping right to wireless. I think they're going to skip some earlier generations of tech and go right to the more sufficient storage coupled with renewables. As we move on then, and I think as we're developing out in the regions, just to remind everyone a bit on what helps inform our perspective as a company is our Strategic Advisory Board.

Speaker 3

That's made up of the people that have invested in the company along the way. That's not only our founding investor, Ideallab, which is the longest running incubator in the U. S, arguably the most prominent, for sure. They're looking at technologies 5 to 10 years out. That's interesting.

Speaker 3

CEMEX, one of the top material companies. Material science is fundamental to what we do. SoftBank, known to everyone in terms of the largest VC side Aramco, the largest energy company in the world. We spent the whole week there. The WEP was 2 days, but my entire executive team was there for meetings with Aramco.

Speaker 3

There are many tentacles to Aramco. They have tremendous global aspirations. They're an investor in us, and we will be playing a role in supporting them and helping them achieve that strategy. And then moving forward, the mining sector has a lot of decarbonization to do, hence investments from BHP, largest mining player, Korea Zinc, as I mentioned, the largest non ferrous group and then CNDY, which is environmental waste remediation in China. These things inform us.

Speaker 3

And L Green Power has 33 countries based in Italy, another important player there. We do a lot of collaboration with them. All of this is an asset that we carry that helps inform where we're putting in our R and D and to make sure it's customer focused and customer centric. So if you look at this, the aspect in our our Chief Commercial Officer, Marco Tedesin, talks about this all the time, which is we don't approach the customers and just try to shove our products down their throat. We listen.

Speaker 3

We understand what their problems are, and we bring the technology to market to help solve it. It's fundamental. From calls with customers in Australia with new customers, from the meetings with Saudi Aramco to the customers in the U. S, the feedback on this strategy is very positive. It is very unique.

Speaker 3

And that's what's leading to some of these massive deals. I mean entering a continent like Australia with 2.6 gigawatt hour as you enter, that doesn't happen by accident. And that's why we're very excited about what that future is going to hold. From a long duration perspective in what we're doing, and I've talked about these things, we've booked business, we've monetized, received cash on royalties at 95% gross margins. I think no question, globally, we're bringing things to market in long duration faster than anyone else with multiple technologies that is live in 24.

Speaker 3

No one else can say that. That will inform us and help us learn as you do in new tech to help optimize, optimize for economics, learn from customers, continue to build out. Going to the short duration market, you're going to hear from Akshay Lurdba. I know this was a surprise a few years ago or even a year ago to investors when we started announcing battery projects. We built and invested in a few years before a software platform to give us flexibility to manage the coexistence of fossil fuel based.

Speaker 3

Various storage technologies, not just our own, and manage that in a way that also enables new applications around optimization of charging and discharging, asset management. That is why we're getting selected. As I said, it starts with the experience of the team to do it. We've done that well in the initial projects, been a big part of the revenue number and even all positive unit economics. I know that was something that as we started to announce those things, a lot of questions, hey, are you buying those projects?

Speaker 3

You're bidding them low because you want revenue? Or how are you going to operate? You have a new software system. How are you going to turn that over well? Aren't you going to get exposed to liquidated damages?

Speaker 3

The numbers speak for themselves. I've covered them. As I said, that starts with the people, most of whom are not in this room, that are from Energy Vault and bring that experience. Strategically, then to start to begin to bring it home here and summarize before we turn it over and take a break. Largest market and growth regions, that's what we're focused on addressing from a market perspective.

Speaker 3

And we're going to be sharing more about that portfolio today, as I mentioned. This theme of becoming more predictable in terms of our cash flows and therefore how we project our revenue, as I said, we've got 2 years, we're in our 3rd year, still young in an emerging growth area. Obviously, that is a high bar as a public company and but something we do not take lightly, hence our management of cash, the fact that we have no debt, but also looking at and really getting perspectives on where are the profit pools in this ecosystem of energy storage. So we've done a lot of work here in looking at where those profit pools come from and how we look at more recurring revenue streams. The license and royalty model will be a big part of that.

Speaker 3

We're going to be sharing numbers, but the numbers are not small. The bookings are not only $100,000,000 in the licenses alone, of which $60,000,000 or so we've recognized. The cash payments are over 10 years, okay. We're going to share Michael will be sharing more about that. But the royalty potential, very conservatively, is at $200,000,000 plus over this same next 8 to 10 year period.

Speaker 3

So excited as these things get deployed out. You've seen the numbers in terms of the demand requirement. That's going to be very exciting. And then we're very focused as hopefully you understand and see on the profit potential of this portfolio and how it evolves. And you're going to see that in what we're going to be guiding on gross margins, not only what we achieved in the 1st 2 years, we had a little higher hardware content, hence the single digit gross margin in 'twenty three alone.

Speaker 3

But as you're going to see, as you saw in our Q1, 26% on pure battery projects, so no licensing revenue in there. And as we're going to guide 'twenty four and 'twenty five, you'll see it, they are double digit unit economics, which again at this stage as a company, I think is meeting our expectation. We'll do better as we build this company. Just a few minutes on our business model here. We've talked about our licensing and how that's been playing.

Speaker 3

You see some of the numbers there. We've been building and turning over projects that carries an EPC component, which tends to have about a 10% type of margin, 5% to 10% depending on how the project goes, because you're responsible for another supply chain. We will continue to do that potentially more on what's called an EEQ or an engineered equipment basis where we may not do the EPC but provide the integrated solution. That's something we're looking at every project. As you've seen in our numbers, they've always been positive unit economics.

Speaker 3

It will continue and it will increase as you're going to see in our projections. But there's also another segment that you're going to learn more about today in the own and operate. And these are things where we have existing projects today on our balance sheet. We believe there's going to be more opportunity for that. We believe there's going to be more volatility in pricing in the market.

Speaker 3

The severe weather events are not going to stop. I think they're going to continue and potentially accelerate, which is unfortunate. We need to really focus on cooling down the planet. So we're going to continue to see things that we haven't seen before. And I think this demand for energy, the variability, the volatility in those market and then for the pricing plays well into how we're positioned, especially with the strategic partners that I mentioned and the investors and what some of their aspirations are.

Speaker 3

In terms of how that manifests itself across the portfolio, we've got our product portfolio on the left side there in the different business models. No surprise, gravity in our software, we can and we'll continue to license that. So you can expect more from us there. The build and transfer, we can do across everything. It just depends on the region of the world.

Speaker 3

We didn't go set up shop in a big way in China for obvious reasons. South Africa, certain regions of the world, there's no reason for us to go spend that money in cash and tie up cash sometimes in those countries. The license model works, but we can also build in certain developing places. And from an own and operate, can really do that anywhere across our technologies. Obviously, we own the software and can do the asset management.

Speaker 3

We have bid optimization. Akshay Lobo is going to talk a little bit more about this. So all the tools we need to operate, operate efficiently and really achieve differentiated results in that market, we have them and have developed them in house. Going forward, and I'll wrap up here in the next few minutes. Grad, we've talked about continuing licensing.

Speaker 3

It's operating now. We have a lot of new applications, a lot of which we will be building out, taking advantage of topology or taking advantage of new designs and structures. That's not only going to be higher profit, higher revenue, but that introduces new addressable markets in the building sector that probably people weren't thinking about us applying gravity to. So that's exciting. The market today is conventional battery, 95% of everything is getting deployed globally.

Speaker 3

Again, we're going to be doing more in longer duration going forward. This 20 fourseven need is becoming more prominent with the terawatt growth, but we will continue to build on this core power. You're going to see a testimonial there. That's an investment we made, if you recall, in a domestic provider for domestic content for lithium ion batteries. We have very special advantages with that investment that the CEO himself, Lindsey Gorel, is going to be sharing with you on a video today.

Speaker 3

And in green hydrogen and these micro grids, we see a lot of opportunities to replicate what we're doing in Calistoga for Pacific Gas and Electric. Craig Horn, who's here today, will be sharing more about that with you. And then this the own and operate model, which I think will continue to become a bigger part of our portfolio given the amount of capital that's interested in facilitating and financing these and financing these in an attractive way and how those economics and IRRs work. Those projects, just to give you a little preview, owning those projects come with somewhere around 70% EBITDA streams through the life with an assumed type of project financing model. So attractive where we're going to do it and I think helpful as we evolve the company.

Speaker 3

So I'll finish here. Like we started with data, I'm giving you a little preview of what Michael Beer is going to be covering of what the next 2 years are going to look like. So from what we see today, and we also Michael is going to be sharing a little more simplified way. We talk about our sales funnel in terms of what's contracted, what's actually booked, so what's in our backlog and then what's that near term 12 to 24 month either project awards and shortlistings or advanced shortlistings. So we've simplified that by one phase of the funnel as far as what we report publicly.

Speaker 3

I think that will be more clear and more near term. Obviously, the numbers are large anyway, but really pulling that a little closer in terms of the timeframe of converting awards, example, the bookings is something we're trying to improve upon as we build the company. But if you look at this next 2 years, we're looking at a range of $500,000,000 to $700,000,000 of revenue. There are the reason that range is a little wide, you can imagine is, as I've shared, there are some large projects that we work on. We don't try to be everything to everyone and all customers.

Speaker 3

We focus on the largest opportunities in the largest regions. It's just it's worth it and always with customers that aren't one trick ponies. They're customers that have a portfolio of things that they're going to be doing over the next 10 plus years. It's about building those relationships, delivering and delivering with quality. So there's a confidence for them to want to do more with you.

Speaker 3

That's why we focused on the large ones. And hence, over 60% of that that's in this near term awards and short listings for conversion. Over 60% of that today, as we look at 2025, are with existing customers or with strategic investors, for example. So that's a high level of confidence that gives us in putting these numbers out and forecasting gross margins of 15% to 20% in that period. Reaffirming what I said last quarter, so adjusted EBITDA positive in 2025.

Speaker 3

So I think that's something that I hope gives a lot of confidence given what we're looking at and some of the things we're going to talk about in the portfolio today. Okay. That completes my section. I want to call up and introduce Akshay Laudhwa here, and I'll turn this over to you, Akshay. Akshay joined the company in 2021.

Speaker 3

I already mentioned some of his background. He has a background even before he joined Greensmith in, I think, 2011. He joined Greensmith? That's correct. Okay.

Speaker 3

I'm here. I'm going to pass the baton here to you. But it's been great to work with Akshay. He's been the architect behind our software that got brought to market very quickly that's enabled not only our battery portfolio, but our ability to do these hybrid architectures for customers. Interestingly, of the 100 projects that he did when he was at Greensmith, 100% safety record.

Speaker 3

So that's key and part and parcel to how we built the company and attribute to that experience that I mentioned. So I'll turn it over to you.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Rob. Good morning, everybody. My name is Akshay Laghba. I run and manage the Energy Vault Solutions at Energy World. Here's a quick recap of the last two years.

Speaker 4

Started at the end of 2021, we immediately got into action, developed our software suite of products, then we expanded ourselves into the lithium ion battery energy storage space. And finally, the team that you will see as I talk about the different solutions we offer short, long and ultra long and finally the software, it's focused around hybrids. As we walk through these different type of assets that needs to be orchestrated, the underlying theme is being able to have a hybrid power plant. All of that is enabled by our software suite of products, which we will look at a little bit later on today. As quoted in the BNEF, the world needs a lot of energy storage.

Speaker 4

The numbers are big and the suite of products that we offer here.

Speaker 2

Thursday, 25th April 2024, marked a significant milestone in Nevada's energy landscape with the official moon cutting ceremony of the Reed Gardner Battery Energy Storage System. The event celebrated the transformation of 1 of Nevada's former coal sites into a standalone battery facility, storing up to 2 20 megawatts of power generated from renewable sources. The project, which was completed in a record 4 months, is a testament to what can be achieved with strong leadership and a commitment to sustainable energy practices.

Speaker 5

This site really represents an incredible illustration of the energy transition that's happening in the US. Think back to 1965 and on this site sat a brand new coal fired power plant. It was 5 50 megawatts and it was the power to start to grow Las Vegas. Here we are today, no smokestacks up in the air, and instead behind us is a battery. And it really reflects the ability that exists today to capture this fantastic solar energy that exists here in Nevada and use it when our customers need it most.

Speaker 6

NV Energy is the state's regulated utility. So we are the largest energy provider in Nevada. Our strategy is to continue to grow our solar and storage, less reliance on market purchases, primarily from California, but other states as well, and to achieve renewable goals. So we're trying to be 50% renewable by 2,030. 6 months to a year would be a reasonable timeframe for a project like this.

Speaker 6

We broke ground in August and finished in December, 4 months really to build a project like this is just incredible. And I think that's a testament to the partnership between NB Energy and Energy Vol and just the talented people involved all around on this.

Speaker 3

Our challenge right from the outset was to figure out how to do more with less, working with our vendors both in the supply side and on the construction side to ensure that everything that needed to come together at the right time line could come together. We were

Speaker 7

able to work collaboratively with our partners and the customer to actually go online a couple of days ahead of schedule towards the end of last year, which really served the customer and the utility and what they were trying to achieve out of this project. It also is a testament to end customer. And we continue to employ that method, listening to the customer first and understanding how we devise the right solution to serve their need and their purpose.

Speaker 6

Energy Vault proved themselves on this project. It's the first project we did of this size. I see Energy Vault doing projects for us in the future.

Speaker 5

There is more battery storage development in our future, and it will become a critical part of our grid. There aren't a lot of utilities in the country that can say over the course of 2024, our rates are going down. It's projects like this that allow us to capture that sun and use it at times they need it the most to be able to deliver that critical energy to our customers. So again, I want to thank everybody for pulling this project off. The NV Energy team just did a remarkable job.

Speaker 5

And again, our partners at ECI and EnergyCall, thank you. Our partners at BIBW, couldn't have happened without you. An honor to have you here and honor to show off what something that we're very proud of that's going to be a tremendous benefit customers for decades to come.

Speaker 6

This is a net recognition of the opening of the Reed Gardner Battery Energy Storage System. I commend you for your unwavering commitment to building energy solutions that support Nevada's residents and green energy initiatives. May this new facility inspire further energy innovation. Congratulations.

Speaker 4

That was a really nice video for our 4 40 Megawatt Hour project in Nevada. Out of the 100 plus projects I've been part of, I think this one is probably in the top 5. It takes a lot of dedication and a really talented team to be able to execute a project of the scale in the really short amount of time. I remember spending my turning 40 on the site. I brought my family over for Thanksgiving, and we had a lunch event on-site.

Speaker 4

And also Christmas night is a very important night. That's the evening of Christmas. We ran full capacity, 220 megawatts. As we get into the short duration battery storage systems, the products that we are building here at Energy Vault are anchored around 3 separate fundamentals. The first one is we do not believe in having a very prescriptive, well defined and a constrained product.

Speaker 4

We'd rather believe in having a platform, allowing our customers, giving them the flexibility because every each of these projects is very unique. Every customer is trying to solve for different constraints. The second one is the economics. Economics is at the heart and it's right in the center of how these projects pencil out. Spending my time back at before Energy World, I was over at Brightcad Power, which is a large IPP and a project developer with the understanding of how the projects need to be penciled out so they can actually get to reality.

Speaker 4

Economics is right in the middle. Finally, as we just saw the video of being able to deliver the projects, execution is super important. The lithium ion battery storage project at Energy Vault is called BWALT. The BWALT comes in 2 separate output options. We have the DC and the AC output option.

Speaker 4

It gives the flexibility for our customers, not only with regards to the selection of the supply chain and equipment but also different contracting mechanisms. We can offer them, just as Rob mentioned, either an EEQ or an EPC as a full wrap. But also, as we've seen in the last 2 years, there is significant amount of new entrants into the market. The battery suppliers are now going vertically integrated, which means they're not only manufacturing cells and packs, but they're also starting to manufacture these 20 foot battery enclosures. Some of our customers we work with, we find they have MSAs with such suppliers where they'd like to use that and NV Energy is a real good example of that.

Speaker 4

Finally, looking at our portfolio, we often come across projects where the customer has constraints around land or around permitting. So the standard off the shelf available equipment is not able to fit the site, fit the need of the customer, and Bellhead is a real good example of that. 2023 was a big execution year for us. We delivered designed, built, engineered, delivered these 3 projects. As you look across the chart here, we've got the first picture for wellhead, which is 68 megawatts in CAISO second one for NV Energy, 2 20 megawatts in Nevada, regulated utility.

Speaker 4

The last one in ERCOT, 100 Megawatt, 200 Megawatt Hours. Different equipment, different states, different equipment, different application. The only thing that is able to tie them together is the integration expertise from Energy World. The underlying integration and engineering expertise, which is how do we integrate this variety of different technology into the application that the customer is trying to solve for and the execution capability. All of that is enabled by our Vault OS software platform, which we have a section on later on today.

Speaker 4

The BWALT battery energy storage product is built around the DC as well as the AC output options. We have a supply chain that we have established partnerships with in Asia. Again, we're not really prescriptive with the battery that gets integrated, but rather we have a suite of different options that our customers can choose from based on the needs of the project. The speed at which this product was built, design build certified, this is it is fully certified for UL-nine thousand five hundred and forty as well as all the NFPA safety requirements. And we built our first project in ERCOT using the exact product.

Speaker 4

The speed at which this was able to come together was possible because of the expertise of our team. We're on to the 2nd generation of our product. Between the 1st generation and the second one, we've improved energy density by over 35%. And with that improvement, we were also able to improve the cost drop the cost of integration, excluding the batteries, by about 25%. Four main pillars as we designed and build the product: flexibility, flexibility around the architecture, flexibility around the supply chain.

Speaker 4

2nd one is availability. As we look at these more severe weather events, Energy Storage System monetizes the maximum revenue around such events. The price and the volatility in the electricity market is higher during such events. So the product that we've designed is able to function at negative 40 C all the way to 45 C without taking any derate. It's able to function in higher seismic areas, wind gust.

Speaker 4

So the product is available to the customer. And most importantly, which I will talk about, this is not a Me Too product, but there is a unique feature, which is the AC architecture. On the supply chain flexibility, we saw the 3 projects from last year. First one is using NMC batteries from Samsung. The second one is using the BYD cubes, which is LFP, large format LFP.

Speaker 4

And finally, the last one is using LFP from REPT. We have different batteries that can be easily integrated into the B world platform product. Further, we find customers that have already made interconnection application. Like I was in Australia last week, we are working with ASIN that has logged in a particular inverter into the interconnection application. Such customers will require a solution that can work with that very specific power electronics.

Speaker 4

For them, we have the DC volt option, which allows, again, integration of different type of batteries into that. Further, to increase our energy density, we are developing a stacking solution, And this will instantly double the amount of energy density, which is possible into the projects. What's unique about our BWLT is the AC walled architecture. If you look at the way most of the lithium ion battery storage is being built today is mostly around 2 separate architectures. You have a DC walled architecture, which is you have a central storage inverter between 3 5 megawatts.

Speaker 4

Behind those inverters, you have multiple different enclosures, which is building up your AC cluster. And you keep duplicating that as you want to build a larger project. Then you have products such as the Tesla MegaPack and Sungrow Titan, where it's still the same architecture where the battery is connected with the inverter. You have a string of battery connected with 1 single inverter. In both of these architectures, you will notice the power and energy is always coupled, which means if I would like to add additional inverter to get more power, I always have to have additional batteries.

Speaker 4

Should we lose an inverter, we also lose the energy behind it. And to overcome this issue, what the industry does today is they add additional inverters. They're not able to optimize the CapEx. If I go sign up for a project with 98%, 99% availability, with such architecture, there is a need to add additional inverters, additional batteries, the cost of the project goes up. The architecture that we have developed at Energy Vault, we have decoupled power and energy.

Speaker 4

We've broken the relation between them, the coupling between the power and the energy. What happens in our architecture is all of the batteries are always connected with all inverters. We use modular inverters. We don't use string inverters or the central storage in our AC volt. We use modular inverters.

Speaker 4

With the modular inverters, all inverters always connected with all batteries. So if we lose an inverter, the battery is still available. If you lose a battery, the inverter is still available. This allows us by default to have a product to have a project with a higher availability because should we lose an inverter, we only lose a couple of 100 kilowatts. This allows us to also be very optimized with the way we can size our projects.

Speaker 4

We don't have to always move in increments of multiple megawatts. We can move in smaller chunks, which means the cost of the project is much more optimized. Furthermore, as we look at augmentation, as we're now starting to see in California projects moving from 4 hours to 6 hours, 8 hours, augmentation is very easy. To do the augmentation, we can simply move these inverters into additional newer battery enclosures. Because they are decoupled, we can mix batteries as well.

Speaker 4

You can bring a different type of technologies because they're not coupled together. Supply chain is a big element of the battery energy storage industry. The optionality that we like to bring to our customers. We have the strategic partnerships with manufacturing of the lithium ion batteries over in Asia, both China as well as outside of China. And finally, the contracting structure.

Speaker 4

This is an important one, BYOB, which is a bring your own battery. And again, the NV Energy, I think, is a really good example of this. We are looking at customers which have a particular MSA there are trying to bring to the table, but they're looking for integration partners, somebody who understands how to design and build the energy storage system using that particular battery. This is a contracting mechanism, also quite popular from the solar side where the developers themselves provide with the solar modules, but they're looking for an EPC to do the full wrap. There's a lot of momentum behind IRA and which is important to us, and we would like to have our customers' access to content.

Speaker 4

And with that, we made a strategic decision to invest into CorePower. This is very important to us, and let's hear from CorePower.

Speaker 8

Down the road in Buckeye, Core Power is making lithium ion batteries. It's a $1,200,000,000 investment that's going to create 1,000 of good manufacturing jobs, 90% of which don't require a college degree and yet you get a good wage.

Speaker 9

My name is Lindsay Gorrell. I'm the founder and CEO of CorePower. I was heavily involved in the supply chain of lithium batteries for a number of years. How do I bring all the knowledge I have on lithium ion cells to United States? Mother Nature provides energy when it wants to.

Speaker 9

Energy storage is a thing that'll finally make green energy 20 fourseven. So you've got all this money being spent on, say, solar in California, but people are seeing their energy costs go up. And that's a problem. What storage brings a community is reliability, but also should be economics.

Speaker 4

One of

Speaker 9

the main reasons why you want to build batteries in the United States and sell the United States is the supply chain from the upstream, which is from mineral to chemical and on the downstream to companies like Energy Milk. With domestic manufacturing, there's no issue with the Suez Canal being shut down or something like that or backed up containers. We can move a product to a job site in North America in 2 days. We bought about 2 15 acres of land in Buckeye, Arizona. That plant will be up and running with cell production in the early part of 20 20 We're building something today that we're going to look back 5 years from now and say, holy cow, look what we did.

Speaker 9

And I want everybody to be part of that. We want to make sure we're tied to a company that we believe in because they're using our product. EnergyVault has not only entered into a major optical agreement with Core, but also made a significant early stage investment with CORE. And what we want to do is we want to support EnergyVault the best way we can. Number 1, we're going to build a high quality product with a very good price in North America, supported by the Infrastructure Act in the Aira.

Speaker 9

So what Aira gives you is it gives a company like Core basically a tax credit on production. And then on top of that, the products that we produce that we are going to ship and make for EnergyVolt, they can take a tax credit, be 30% to 50%. On top of that, we can work with EnergyVolt on developing products for them. And because we produce the cells, the modules and the energy storage box, we can build anything we want. So if we see something that EnergyVault is doing that we can help them do it better and they can win, we want to do that.

Speaker 9

We know that we can produce a product that's going to make EnergyVault successful And EnergyVault has a platform that will help us be successful. The combination of Core and EnergyVault allows us to go after almost every type of storage market. To be able to do everything from sales to solutions to development and that kind of stuff, it becomes a combination that's unprecedented.

Speaker 4

The job is not done until the electrons pass across the meter and our customers realize the acceptance of the asset into the market. I think that's why execution is very important to us. We talked about the product. We can build a great product. But until the system is into the market, that's when the customer starts to realize the economic benefit.

Speaker 4

We've built a great team around execution. As I said, my personal experience is over 100 projects, but everything we've built here with the team behind us, the software, the hardware, everything was built in the last 12 months. The first project that we turned on in Wellhead, which was our first instance of our EMS, was commissioned in less than 2 weeks. It was one of the fastest commissioning that we had seen in the CAISO region. 2023, where we delivered the projects, the gross margins were between 5% 10%.

Speaker 4

As we look at 2024 2025, we believe we will be in the double digit margin. And how do we get there is by, 1st and most important, is the supply chain, being able to have access to domestic content, being able to have the strategic MSAs. The second one is the unique product architecture, the one I mentioned about our BWALT, which allows us to be very optimized with our system sizing, being able to go and execute projects which are much more cost competitive. Finally, it's about the projects that we are looking at. We're not looking at cookie cutter style projects.

Speaker 4

We're looking at portfolios, which the customer has a problem that they're trying to solve for. And to be able to solve those issues, being able to listen to the customer, work around the constraints they have, that requires us to be creative, bring out solutions, which naturally demand higher margins. To summarize our battery strategy, number 1, not be prescriptive and confined with a standard product, but rather have a platform which enables our customers to have the degrees of freedom and the flexibility to choose pick and choose solutions which work for them. The second one is focus on the economics, focus on the problem that the customer is trying to solve for and work around a solution that enables that. And finally, it's the execution.

Speaker 4

With that, we'll take the next few minutes for questions.

Operator

Thank you. We've got time for a couple of questions from the audience. If there are no questions, we'll move on.

Speaker 10

Okay.

Operator

Thank you, Akshay. Okay. I'd like to welcome on stage for our fireside chat, Matt Rob Piccony Bill Baker, who is the consulting partner, SOM and Doctor. Andrea Jose from Energy Vault.

Speaker 3

Great. Well, we're going to be back up here. And this is actually one of the most exciting things that I've been a part of and to be able to talk about here today and announce it here today. I have Bill Baker up here with me from SOM, who's really needs no introduction from a global perspective and things he's done, you can read. They're above of some of the superstructures Bill has designed and architected, all still standing and all still doing well, by all accounts, and just amazing, I think, because of the things that we're taking on in gravity and the types of structures that the 150 meter structure in China getting built for our first system, but actually really opening our eyes to the art of the possible, what can be done in superstructures.

Speaker 3

And as you all are probably aware, to make gravity work higher is better. It's better for economics. It's better for energy density. And you look at some of these structures and think about these designs and how does that withstand the elements? How does that withstand wind, hurricanes, things like this in these zones.

Speaker 3

So very excited on that. And also Doctor. Jose Andrade here, who's been working with Energy Vault from the very beginning with Idealab. Doctor. Andrade is very well known in the areas of civil and mechanical engineering, the chair at Caltech in Pasadena there in Southern California, also in their seismic studies, which I think Caltech probably one of the best in the world given California generally looking at how to make our structures more safe.

Speaker 3

So very excited to have both of you here. And maybe Bill, I'll start with you. And we've gotten to know each other here a little bit. And I know actually through meeting Jose and being a part of some forums with him, got you interested here in EnergyVault. But would love to maybe just a little bit of introduction of what you've been doing with SOM and then sort of the why behind and the interest in working with Energy Vault?

Speaker 11

Well, I've been with SOM since 1981, so over 40 years. And SOM is uniquely a unique architectural engineering firm because we have both architects and engineers inside the same firm and we've been doing tall buildings ever since even before I became. We did in the 1960s, we did the world's the tallest building built in 1960s. We built the tallest building that was built in the decade of the '70s. We had the tallest building that was built in the decade of the '80s.

Speaker 11

And then of course, in 2010, we had the Burj Khalifa go up. And so you'll and Burj Khalifa is over half mile tall. And so we have this integration of architecture engineering where we can do tall. But we're also in the middle of an energy crisis, I'm sorry, an environmental crisis. And in my world of architecture and engineering, we know that 40% of the carbon in the world comes from our buildings, either through the construction or the operations.

Speaker 11

So the hottest topic in architecture is how do you deal from how do you build in a sustainable way. There's a huge urbanization going on. In 2010, half the for the first time, half the people in the world lived in cities. And we're on our way going from on our way going from 8,000,000,000 people in the world to going to be up to 10,000,000,000 people in the world in the not too distant future. And so and all this stuff has to get built.

Speaker 11

And there's 2 kinds of carbon that we worry very much about, which is operational carbon, the carbon it takes to run the buildings and embodied carbon, the carbon it takes to build the buildings. And so I met Andre, I met Jose at Caltech, some lectures there, They got me involved and we got very, very, very excited about the technology that Energy Vault was creating because we saw it as a huge opportunity to address both of those issues. I tell you all the young architects and engineers, they all want to work on this project. And all my partners at Skidmore are all over this thing. We look for ways to do this to bring this into the built environment, both as either individual batteries, just stand alone batteries and higher is better, okay?

Speaker 11

I'm holding this up. This has potential energy. I've stored energy by say, I'm a solar, I pulled it up on the ground, I've stored energy. If I store it twice as high, twice the energy. If I go 10 times as high, 10 times the energy.

Speaker 11

So height makes a big difference, makes a big difference in the energy that we can store and the efficiency. And so that's where we're all going and excited about.

Speaker 3

Great. Well, thanks for sharing that. Jose, maybe I can ask you. You've been involved in Energy Vault really since the beginning when we met and as we chose to create a company and looking at gravity initially as we looked at the long duration storage market. The thesis behind as renewables become a greater part of the grid, that introduces more intermittency.

Speaker 3

And therefore, as that percentage goes up, the need for long duration storage. But talk a little bit about your journey with EnergyVault and then come back to how you met Bill and why that's, let's say, interesting, exciting for you in this combination with the

Speaker 12

Yes. So I'll be happy to do that. So yes, you said, Rob, I've been with EnergyVault since 2017, And the concept really captivated me because back at that time, we were looking at EV1, right? This idea of moving these masses up and stacking them up to create potential energy, the kind of energy that Bill just described, right? And yes, Hythe is your friend.

Speaker 12

And so I've been interested in seismic studies of complex systems, and this was a very complex, discontinuous problem that happened to have the potential for energy storage. So I fell in love with the project right off the bat, met Rob, met Andrea Pedretti and just started to simulate and model the systems, right, to try and understand their mechanics, their behavior. And in that path, in that journey, EVX came along. And the challenge there for that product was to optimize construction, create new materials that we could deploy faster, cheaper, better for customers, right? And we did tremendous work there and tremendous innovation that we're very proud of and we see the results in China.

Speaker 12

And but EVX is 150 meter tall structure and it has some degree of ability to store energy. But if you could go taller and when you look around here in Manhattan, you have plenty of inspiration, right? There's plenty of tall structures. You start to think that there is something that you can do beyond an EVX, beyond 150 meters. You could reach much higher altitude and you could kill 2 birds with 1 stone by bringing storage where demand is because the bulk of the demand, as Bill said, as we migrate to cities, is coming from cities.

Speaker 12

And so that is the journey and when we started to think about going taller and becoming more effective and efficient, I knew Bill from 10 years ago. He had come to Calfrac to give a lecture and we hit it off. And so the first person I called when we thought about going taller was Bill Baker, the father of the tallest building in the world.

Speaker 13

And here we are.

Speaker 3

Yes. It's exciting. I think in this collaboration, what I've seen and you have a firm, Skidmore, Merrill Owens and Bill Baker himself that have built structures, as you said, since the '60s, the tallest structures in the world. And the integration of a technology that we've developed, combined with that practicality of what it takes to build and permit these structures where the economics get crazy when you get to the 300, 400, 500 meter. And Bill, coming back to you, I just want to question.

Speaker 3

We've designed, for example, a structure of 1,000 meters, 1 kilometer tall for certain parts of the world and looked at different integrations of both our block technology and a modular pumped hydro using water technology. Talk to me a bit about carbon payback and how you and first, traditionally in these structures, like the Burj Khalifa, but was there even one? And then as you look at looking at our block technology and then maybe the hydro type of technology in that 1 kilometer structure, to talk a little bit about how carbon payback works?

Speaker 11

In the world of architecture engineering, we need to build these things, but we feel bad because we're creating a carbon problem in the process. Because there is no carbon payback on an office building or a residential skyscraper. They you have to spend carbon to build them. And so we have this deficit that we have to deal with. So here's this opportunity to do this in such a very tall structure.

Speaker 11

So structure that you build locally, it will never catch on fire. It will you can be dense in a downtown location. They'll last for a long time. There are 100 year old skyscrapers in this town. The Woolworth Building just down the street here is over 100 years old.

Speaker 11

The Empire State Building soon is going to be 100 years old. These structures, if you maintain them, last essentially forever. And so we're looking at these working with Jose, we're looking at these towers. We can get up to a kilometer tower store way over a gigawatt hour of energy and the carbon payback is between 2 4 years. Think about that.

Speaker 11

You can do such a massive structure, but the carbon that you're offsetting will pay for it. And the structure itself, it's actually kind of around 2 years. Just and this is the work we have a sustainable engineering group in the office. And so they ran the calcs on there. How much embodied carbon is in the concrete, in the rebar and there's a little bit of steel, but not much.

Speaker 11

And so then what is the and then how then every day you can fully charge and fully discharge this battery. And so how many cycles do you do? Because right now, my understanding, this is not my world, this is your world. Batteries are generally used as a transition for the duck curve or whatever that is. But at night, all the energy is fossil fuel or most of it's fossil fuel.

Speaker 11

And if we're really going to go sustainable and where people live on renewable energy, you got to store enough to carry you through the night. And this is if you assume that there's like 30 kilowatt hours per household in the U. S, okay? And you have and say half of it's during the daytime you get from solar and another half from a battery. A gigawatt hour battery could take 60,000 to 70,000 households off of fossil fuel, which is huge.

Speaker 11

You can do whole cities, if one were strategic about this.

Speaker 3

Yes. The potential is amazing and very excited about making that a reality. One last question for you. A lot of people to the general public and general eye and probably a lot of people in the room, when they think about a building 1,000 meters tall, the Burj Khalifa is 820. I know you said we can go to 1500, and you uniquely can say that, Bill.

Speaker 3

But in a 1,000 meter building, what I mean, people think about generally like wind and these things, especially at that height. And this structure, one of the ones that we've been working on actually is a cylinder cylindrical shape. How does that work? Why is that the best shape, for example, at that height? And what's explain just a little bit for the layperson.

Speaker 3

How can you build it that tall? And how can you support whether it's our hydro, our modular pumped hydro, water solution is interesting more even the blocks. How does that work?

Speaker 11

Well, I mean, it's very stable shape. And what's quite interesting about this whole technology, yes, you have a lot of weight very high in the air, because that's what you're trying to do, trying to put a lot of weight very high in the air. And but in the process of that, it helps you proportion the structure that is very, very stable. And the advantage of a cylinder is that it's really robust and stiff. And we're actually seeing that there's very, very little and in some cases no premium for wind load or minor seismic, because of the structure you need to hold up the weight, if it's properly configured and easily built.

Speaker 11

I mean, one of the reasons that the British fleet got built is because we designed it for how it was going to be built. And the construction technology that we're looking at with Jose, totally conventional, very fast, easily done anywhere in the world, that it can be built quickly and efficiently. And there's almost like a moral obligation to do this, because if you could start in a few years, we could build one of these things and take those people off the fossil fuel grid, it would be tremendous. And if we don't the sooner we do it, the sooner we can start having people completely on renewable energy.

Speaker 3

Yes. Well, look, moving from moral obligation or moral imperative, let's say, to mandate and just to put this in perspective for investors, so what does it mean? First of all, we have a segment of the market in terms of the building of superstructures in dense locations where there's a lot of energy maps. And New York is a great example. To share a stat with you that I learned yesterday by visiting the Skidmore office, every month up to 2,060, which is longer than I mean, it doesn't make sense going past that.

Speaker 3

In the world, we're going to build what is the equivalent of New York City every month in structures. So you think about doing that across the world and that massive build. And as of now, people thinking about that traditionally, you heard Bill talk about it's not only carbon footprint when you use a building, it's carbon footprint just in what you build in the structure itself. Moving from moral imperative to mandate here, given what's happening in the world with the heating up of the planet and things, it's clear to me that there are going to be changes. Countries have already, for example, in energy storage, China's done it.

Speaker 3

They mandated 20% at power for every renewable asset that gets built. I envision a world where there will be changes in permitting and policy relative to ensuring there's integration of more sustainable aspects of the building itself, integration of how buildings are powered, how they're using and there's technologies using software to make, for example, HVAC and the systems operate more efficiently through using AI. But in the building materials itself and, for example, carbon sequestration in those building materials and absorbing carbon, that we're involved with a lot of research with that. So it's a from our perspective as a company, we feel the imperative is we're building things with gravity as you build these out. And even in all of our energy solutions we're building because everything needs a foundation.

Speaker 3

It really behooves us to ensure it's done sustainably. But we believe from an investment thesis perspective, this is going to be a requirement. As is our culture, we're getting in front of this. We believe we bring a lot of technology and have a lot of ability to leverage how we think about leveraging material science and structural and civil engineering just like with our gravity system that came together with those 2 things plus AI software to create an energy storage breakthrough. I think it's going to be the partnership the partnership.

Speaker 3

Adam, Scott, a lot of the partners that I know couldn't be either at a partner meeting upstate, but very excited about building that together.

Speaker 11

And we see this change in architecture because if you're going to build a building that's both a building for occupants and it's going to be a battery, you want them both to go tall. And with this huge organization of this Manhattan every month, I think it's going to have a big change in the energy world, but also a big change in architecture.

Speaker 3

Well, thank you, Bill and Jose. And everyone will be seeing an announcement about our partnership. It is exclusive, so meaning it is something we're going to do together for the world. You've seen the footprint of the buildings, Jakarta and China. And I had the list of 15 of them that I looked at before going there, but literally every region of the world and excited given that coexistence we're going to have in innovating together there.

Speaker 3

So thank you, Bill and Jose. Thank you. Thank you. I think we have a video we're going to play here.

Operator

Thank you. We have a we're actually

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Speaker 3

Great. Okay. With that and that glimpse of the future there, let me call out Marco Tiddozin, our Chief Product and Commercial Officer that will join us after the 10 minute break, I see.

Operator

Yes. We're just going to go for a 10 minute break. We'll keep to 10 minutes. So if they all can be back in the room, please, that would be great. We're

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Speaker 14

On. Thank The mission is to promote the legacy of my father, George H. W. Bush, who throughout his professional career interacted a lot with China and Chinese people. So the purpose of forming the foundation with my father's blessing was to create environments where we can bring Chinese and Americans together and through better understanding and mutual respect there will be future collaborations as the challenges to sustaining life on earth for humans grows that we need to put aside kind of geopolitical differences and find ways to collaborate.

Speaker 14

And so he was a big believer in bringing people together, finding common ground and working together to solve big problems. Dealing with climate change, trying to reduce carbon emissions, trying to capture carbon, trying to figure out ways to be greener and better to the economy has to be a global effort. Our partner, CNY, has subsequently invested like $120,000,000 building a 100 Megawatt power plant that's in Rudong in Jiangsu province. This is the 1st commercial scale project in the gravity category of what Energy Vault does. And it's going to be really helpful to the world to see that gravity is an alternative to lithium.

Speaker 14

And there's so many advantages, but it's being tested and will be commissioned shortly and I'm very excited about that. It's been a very complicated process from an American perspective. Perspective. I give the team a lot of credit for being flexible and to adjusting to the kind of cultural and legal nuances that take place to get regulatory permission to connect to the grid. There are all kinds of hoops apparently to jump through and our partner has been very active and diligent about doing all the right things to get it done.

Speaker 14

The provincial governments, the city governments, the town governments like Rudong, they compete to be greener than the other guys. And so the idea that they're going to be commissioning 100 Megawatt hour power plant in Rudong or in Jiangsu province is a matter of great pride to the local leadership at all levels of the local leadership. There already has had a very positive impact on the local community and all the way up to the provincial leadership. But even before commissioning the first one, the team has so much confidence that they've started another project in another part of China. It's already one story out of the ground.

Speaker 14

It's going to rise up to be another energy vault. Then there are 4 or 5 already lined up and signed up to go after these. China is going to be a big market for energy vault. One of the exciting things by the way about the C and experience to execute in providing the supply chain Where Energy Vault has projects pop up outside of China, there's going to be a collaboration with CNTY providing these supplies to those projects. So when Energy Vault selected CNTY as one of the first, I think it will be the first commercial scale application of gravity.

Speaker 14

It was the perfect marriage of high-tech and practical implementation. The United States is a leading innovator in all kinds of technologies. The Chinese are a leading doer of stuff. They know how to make things. They know how to develop the supply chain connectivity to the manufacturing.

Speaker 14

They know the logistics. They're very good at engineering things to make them work. As a guy that like my father cares deeply about building closer relations, more trusting relations with China, I'm hopeful that this Energy Vault project shows that we can have business to business interaction and engagement on an issue that is critical, that of climate, and we can work together to move the needle on that issue.

Operator

Please welcome on stage Marco Terrazine, our Chief Commercial and Product Officer.

Speaker 13

Good morning. My name is Marco Teruszyna, Chief Commercial and Product Officer at Energia Volta. First of all, I want to say thank you to the 180 people that have worked at Energi Vault with a lot of passion to do something relatively straightforward. Listen very carefully to what a customer wants, what are their needs and converting these in a viable, economically attractive and environmentally sustainable solution. Our business strategy, when we come to the go to market of our solutions is based on 2 fundamental pillars, something that is kind of an imperative for us.

Speaker 13

Number 1, having a very good understanding of what are the market needs. We want to make sure that we invest our more most scarce resources, most important resources that essentially is time and financial resources on the solution that really are accepted and needed by the market in the short term, in the medium term and in the long term. The transition to a world with a low carbon intensity of our economy require practicality in the short term and vision to make sure that we are investing resources today in something that will be accepted economically, financially and environmentally few years from now. The second paramount point, principle that we have to guide our business strategy is to make sure that we adopt a solution approach that we don't put ourselves in a corner where we have a limited number of tools to address a large service available market because that will give us access to large projects and it will improve also the profitability of our solution. If differently we focus just on one solution, on one product, we will inevitably, in a large market like the energy market and a subset of that at the energy storage market, in a fight where we have just to compete on price.

Speaker 13

With these two fundamental principles, we have been able to drive very, very, very interesting result when we come to gravity energy storage. First, we have been able to accelerate the adoption of this technology. We have a presence in 4 continents. Have been able to deploy the technology. We have been able to establish a commercial business model that has been accepted and duplicated across multiple continents.

Speaker 13

2nd point, we have been very profitable in this effort because as a public company, we have to make sure that what we do is financially attractive for investor. And because if it's financially attractive for investor, we will have a leverage to elaborate more and expand our business. The third element that was the result of this approach based on understanding deeply the need of the customer and having a solution approach was the result that we are able to improve constantly the unit economics. If we use that if we refer, for example, at the first part of the introduction of our solution, the short term the short duration presented by AXA, it's obvious. It's evident that lithium ion battery price have come down.

Speaker 13

Why? Because there has been efficiency, economy of scale on the material, on the design of the system. And we have to do the same also for gravity. We have to work on the design. We have to work on the leverage of the fundamental unit economics of gravity that help to reduce the unit cost and increase the attractiveness from an economic and financial point of view.

Speaker 13

Why gravity is so attractive from a utility perspective? The companies that can rate base this solution and that can install this asset for a period of 30 or 40 years. First of all, because gravity has been the backbone of the power industry for almost 100 years to store electricity. There was nothing else than a pumped hydro essentially to help non flexible asset to stop like a nuclear power plant, coal power plant and in a certain extension also combined cycle gas turbine to provide flexibility, to provide regulation to frequency and allow the load always to be in balance with the generation. So the technology, the concept is proven and is solid.

Speaker 13

It's very well understood in particular by the utility sector. Second things, the gravity energy storage technology is attractive because it doesn't dissipate. It doesn't lose a lot of energy when you go through an entire cycle. The round trip efficiency is almost a part with the best available technology, lithium ion. We are above 80%.

Speaker 13

And when you are a utility, when you are a customer and you have to make a decision on which technology you want to have in your system for the 50 years. If you have a system that alludes 50% of that energy that you use to charge, I think 2x, that can be a solution that maybe is just a bridge in the short term, but run trip efficiency is very important in the overall picture of the total cost of ownership for a customer. It's highly sustainable because it's safe. You do not have environmental hazard that are embedded in the technology by itself. It's a technology that enables circular economy.

Speaker 13

There is advantage also from a supply chain perspective and for sure elaborate and unleash domestic content. It is very important, and particularly in this economic moment for a different region of the world to guarantee jobs and guarantee GDP locally. There was an evolution clearly in the design as Jose Andrade, Rob, also Bill Baker, they were mentioning, we started with the initial interpretation of gravity using a design that was quite advanced, but was not ideal from a market acceptance point of view. The energy and power, they were not completely independent. So we started to evolve in our interpretation of the technology going from the initial tower, the EV1 to the EVX.

Speaker 13

And now we are introducing our other design that are in line with the market expectation using different storage medium, not only solid but also liquid because when you unleash the height of the system, you don't need any more double density represented by the solid masses, but you can use water. And if you use water, everything becomes easier because you can use traditional pump turbine used for 100 years in every pump hydro station. And that has created us created an opportunity for us to elaborate on multiple designs. And here in this graph, you can see basically in 2 dimension. On one side, the ability to elaborate on liquid water, because it's simple.

Speaker 13

It's very intuitive. And the industry, both customer and supplier, understand how to elaborate and provide equipment to work with water. On the other side, it's taking advantage of geographic confirmation hills that do not require the construction of a building. And that helps us with help us and the market with the economics of this solution. Converting this from an economic perspective, that means that we have 2 dimension to play with.

Speaker 13

Number 1, how gravity fit regional and national development plan. The fact that we have been able to start from China was a challenge from one point of view, but also a significant win because we have been able to introduce a technology and get this technology adapted by the National Developmental Reform Commission in China as a strategic technology for the transition in a market where it is, nobody has doubted that unit economics are very important. So being able to be present in China and currently having 3.7 gigawatt hour under construction is a testament that the technology makes economic sense. So there is a first dimension represented by the need of the country in terms of job creation, localization of the technology and the supply chain. The other element is that we have to continue evolve the technology to improve the attractiveness of the unit economics.

Speaker 13

In the same fashion as our other technology like lithium ion, they have to continuously operate on the reduction of the cost of cathode and anode. Anode. They have to continue to work on the reduction of cost of balance of plant. And this is what we have been doing introducing this new design. Round trip efficiency.

Speaker 13

I already say that, that is extremely important. And having a round trip efficiency above 80% across the entire spectrum of the solution that we are introducing that we have already introduced in the market with AVX and the new solution with a hybrid utilization in a urban center or eventually using also water, it's essential to be commercially attractive. Another element that is important from a go to market is, of course, the levelized cost of storage. And when we consider solution for a duration of 6 hours, 8 hours, the example of the Kalistoga energy storage project that we are developing and it will be operating by the summer of this year. 48 hours of duration are the evidence that the market is transitioning there.

Speaker 13

It's true that the entire industry was expecting a transition a faster transition. 6, 7 years ago, there was a discussion about a long duration energy storage, how much long duration energy storage would have been deployed by this time. The good news is that energy storage has become so important for the industry that just the 2 hours and 4 hours have been at a much larger scale than expected. And when long duration energy storage will come, it will come at an even larger volume than what is expected today or was expected a few years ago. So the delay in the deployment of a long duration energy storage is not necessarily a negative thing.

Speaker 13

I think it is a positive thing because as it helped the industry to familiarize with the need and the deployment of energy storage solution in a way that is opening up the transition to longer duration energy storage. And we have solution for the short, the extra long and the long duration specifically with gravity that are economically attractive.

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Presence.

Speaker 13

We have been able 180 people, 2 years as a public company. We have a footprint from the United States to China, from Australia to Europe with ongoing construction activities and active commercial engagement. We have been very strategic in our go to market by every segment of the geographies, making sure that we were every time profitable. We are building here in the United States gravity, as you will see with a very nice video just a few minutes from now. We have invested in Texas with a solution excellence center.

Speaker 13

We are developing new design. We are testing the product market fit of solution that will be deployed a few months from now, a few years from now in the market. But at the same time, we wanted to make sure that we were and we are profitable in our deployment and engagement with customers through license. And this is the reason why we have started with a country like China where we have not only the revenues because of license, but we have also the prospect revenues coming from the royalties due to the installation and implementation of these gravity energy storage system. The expansion that was announced today by Rob in South Africa is another testament of the appetite that utilities and large energy users have for gravity energy storage system because that is a technology that doesn't have a storage medium degradation, doesn't have a self discharge and is an asset that can be rate based.

Speaker 13

We are also investing here in the United States directly to make sure that we are technologically advanced, that we are not falling behind in terms of implementation and technical solution, the innovative design that can be deployed across the globe. Now I want to finalize this short part related to gravity with a video describing what we have been doing in Snyder, Texas with our solution, expense center. In short, gravity has been our beginning. We have been able to build a company. We have been able to attract financial investment.

Speaker 13

We have been able to attract commercial interest and engaging with customers because we have always proposed a solution approach, starting with gravity and a multiple design. We engage with customer with primarily with gravity with a license. We are looking for regional, the world where there is a strong need for infrastructural energy storage asset. And the way that we engage with the customer is to being able to sign license agreements that are bringing revenues in the short term and our royalties over a period of 5, 10, even 20 years. So the opportunity that we are going to pursue in addition to the what we have already signed in China and South Africa is in other countries where with the extended portfolio of solution, we can engage in a similar highly profitable business model.

Speaker 13

Going back to the beginning, it's paramount for the Energy Vault. And I think that I'm in a very lucky position working with a team of 180 people that I've established as a culture they approach all the listening very carefully to what are the customer need, what are the market need as a principle number 1. Principle number 2, not fall in the trap to think that just one product, one solution is the answer to the entire transition of problem. It's a very complicated moment. We were talking about AI, for example.

Speaker 13

The need for additional load here in the United States is creating a threat to the transition that until now has seen very large quantity of PV, wind and renewable energy coming to the grid if we are not able to drive additional reliable, sustainable and economically attractive energy storage solution, we will see decision going backward, installing gas power plant. So it's imperative that we continue to invest in our in the development of solutions that are economically attractive to provide a short duration, but even more importantly, long duration energy storage. We have to be instrumental to the industry to avoid decisions that are going backward. We have to continue to go forward with the adoption of renewable energy. This has led us, these two principles, to something that I think is unique in the industry because as a company that I strongly believe in the necessity of long duration energy storage, we have been one of the few company, probably the only company, that has been able to accelerate the deployment of long duration energy storage, not only in China but also outside China with expanded partnership in South Africa.

Speaker 13

We have been able to be strongly profitable in what we are doing to make sure that the investor see the path to a higher than average profitability for the company and the ultimate dedication to improve the unit economics of our solutions.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, Marco. We are running behind, but we're happy to take a couple of Q and As. I have one

Speaker 3

over here.

Speaker 16

Hey, David Rolled, Needham Research. One question about the reusability of the structures, say, if and when somebody wanted these were decommissioned or wanted to be used for another purpose, What does that look like in terms of environmental impact, reuse, ease of reuse or is that to be taken down before it can be something else put in this place?

Speaker 13

So we discussed about the carbon payback, having the possibility to install structure with a payback carbon payback in the range of 2 to 4 years is extremely attractive and that are putting ourselves immediately on the positive side of the equation. When we are talking about the construction of this building, you probably noticed that we have a solution that are using buildings and solutions that are using mother nature, slopes. And specifically, those 2 design are called the EVY and the EV0. So the decommissioning is a problem that we have already solved with a couple of design of our systems. Regarding the EVX, those structures are modular.

Speaker 13

And in the same fashion as they are put together, they can be decommissioned, and we are using solution and material that are recyclable. That is the objective. And when we are able to leverage on the height, we do not have to use too much mass. And that will open up a significant element of the market. So that is recyclability, localization and a better and more attractive unit economics.

Operator

Okay. Thank you, Marco. Thank you very much. And I now like to welcome on stage Doctor. Craig Horn.

Speaker 17

Further developments on the wildfires in California as local fire services continue to battle the blaze, now spanning multiple counties.

Speaker 6

Gas and power shutoffs today leaving many local communities in asking what more can be done to prepare for future wildfires to protect these local communities.

Speaker 18

So we're a 5,000 person town at the top of Napa Valley. Down Valley, it's more of a choppy foodie scene. And up here, we're really about health, wellness and green initiatives.

Speaker 19

This town has everything it needs to be a small successful community, great restaurants, great hikes, but something like not having power on a regular basis will shut down a community like that and make people jump ship.

Operator

For the business, it's extremely awkward because I lose business straight away. And then my inventory that is a lot of refrigerated and frozen inventory becomes vulnerable.

Speaker 14

If the power goes out for 6 hours, I have to throw out all my food. They can't even ring in an order because it's all cloud based now and Internet.

Speaker 19

I was driving back and forth to Santa Rosa, getting dry ice twice a day. Prepped food only lasts 3 days and that's how long the PSPS usually was.

Speaker 18

If we have a PSPS, a public safety shutoff event, it affects our businesses immediately. So we need a reliable source of power that will bring the grid back online for businesses and residents.

Speaker 20

You hear the wind and you get nervous. You hear a siren and you get nervous. Every time there was any kind of a storm, we would lose power. Even if we weren't evacuated, even if there wasn't a fire, we would lose power. We didn't really live a normal life.

Speaker 21

These communities could be dark for as many as 5 days. I myself have lived in the community that has undergone a multi day PSPS event and the novelty wears up pretty quickly. The Calistoga project represents Energy Vault's first foray into the ultra long duration energy storage segment. The foundational level of this is a battery energy storage system providing what's called black start, which is boosting the town from when it's taken down when the power line is de energized and brings the town back alive. So to supplement that and keep the power going, we are installing an array of fuel cell units from one of our partners, Plug Power.

Speaker 21

And the fuel cells will provide the base power for the town. Fuel cells need a reactant. In this case, we're bringing in hydrogen. It combines with oxygen and releases water as well as electricity. So it's a very clean way to generate power and it's a way that actually will put water back into the community.

Speaker 18

Prior to this Energy Vault project going in, we had diesel generators going on that were really loud. We're slowly and surely going more and more green, and this just fit right in with that narrative.

Operator

Previous system, the diesel system was not available. It was only available during the fire season, but now unfortunately, the fire season realistically is at any time of year. So very happy to finally get it in place.

Speaker 18

We're not going to need to bring in diesel fuel, things like that for these generators, but it also helps immediately get the power back on so our businesses can thrive. So they're not waiting with the lights out with customers in the store and the door is locked. They didn't come in and just try to jam a project in. They really communicated with the Chamber, with the Planning Commission, with City Council members, with the community, really, really good partners and really good communication throughout.

Speaker 20

I really appreciated all of the effort that Energy Vault did in presenting the plan to the city and explaining everything in detail and showing us what it was going to look like and trying to make it look like something normal instead of gigantic generators that were not very attractive. And it's not so much the aesthetics for me as it is the consideration. And I think sometimes companies forget that.

Speaker 21

Great. Well, I'm really excited to be here today to talk to you about our hydrogen strategy. I'm Doctor. Craig Horn, I'm Vice President of Advanced Energy Solutions here at Energy Vault. I've been here about 2 years now, and I've had the pleasure to work on the Calistoga project, which is the underpinning of our hydrogen strategy.

Speaker 21

I've been in the industry for way too many years, and I care to remember, but got my start over 35 years ago now in developing fuel cell products early on back in the late '80s. Then went to graduate school, learned about lithium ion technology right after that first commercialization of lithium ion batteries. And then about 15 years ago, got involved in grid storage and been working all throughout the different sides of the industry from technology and product development to then solutions, using those products going into the ground for turnkey projects at RES Americas and Swinerton Renewable Energy, 2 of the largest EPCs in the renewable space at the time in the late 2010s. And then a couple of years in the developer IPP side of the business before coming over here. So really with the hydrogen activity, we're really taking all these different facets of the industry and combining it into 1.

Speaker 21

And that's shown here in our strategy itself is 2 simple steps. And that is to first take a catalyst project, which you just heard about, Calistoga, and establish a beachhead that gives us an understanding of how to navigate into the hydrogen space, which is growing. I'll talk about that in a minute. That allow us to then broaden our reach and then reach our goal of maximizing our participation in the 2 main subsegments of hydrogen, that is the production of clean hydrogen and its consumption. So hydrogen, it's been in the news last couple of years, and really, the growth of it is tremendous.

Speaker 21

The growth projections will be over north of $1,000,000,000,000 by the end of this decade. And it's key to decarbonization, and that's coming in both of those segments in the production, the transition from dirty methods like steam methanol reformation to clean methods like electrolyzers to apply electricity to create hydrogen from water. And then on the consumption side, we're going from traditional uses of hydrogen in oil and gas, fertilizers and other industrial processes to new applications that go line that are in line with decarbonization, like steelmaking, vehicle fueling and of course, power. And that's what we're here to talk about today. So as I mentioned, our first step in the strategy is to have a catalyst project, and that is Calistoga, which you heard about.

Speaker 21

This is going to be the world's 1st operational utility scale battery green hydrogen fuel cell microgrid, And we're really excited about that. It's an asset, as Rob mentioned before, that we're not only building, but we're going to own and operate. And it's playing into the hydrogen consumption side of the overall industry, and particularly the power subsegment where we're storing and converting hydrogen into power for use when it's needed in a clean and efficient way. So it's not only a first of a kind type project, but it's fulfilling first of a kind customer requirements. So our customer here, Pacific Gas and Electric, wanted to have a solution for these PSPS events where a city needed to be online couldn't be taken offline for several days, which will be the consequence of de energizing the transmission line, bringing power to it.

Speaker 21

So the solution for the up to now has been to bring an array of diesel gensets. They come in at the beginning of fire season in the early summer and occupy the dog park. That's their the community dog park that's there in the city. And they sit there, they have to run every so often. They're allowed, they produce emissions, and the folks don't like it.

Speaker 21

And when the time comes that the transmission line is de energized, they're not 100% reliable in terms of what's called black starting the city because when you de energize the line, PG and E has to shut off the power to the community. They have to switch over the breaker to where the diesel genset array is. And now that has to black start that community, bring it back online. And it's a bit problematic with that kind of equipment. So PG and E wanted a better solution for this, but not only from its overall functional standpoint, they wanted something that was clean and it was going to be sustainable.

Speaker 21

And so that's where these first of the kind customer requirements really came from. The other thing is Calistoga is at the top of Napa Valley. There's not a lot of space available there. So the space available is less than an acre. And for the 2 day duration they needed, 48 hours, the storage requirement or the energy requirement is right around 300 megawatt hours.

Speaker 21

That's about the same energy capacity as the Stanton project you saw. But the available site was only about twothree of the site that was available for Stanton. And Akshay told you earlier about how that site itself was constrained from an energy storage project standpoint. So these first of a kind requirements really meant a solution that was complex, challenging, but EnergyVault rose to the occasion and produced a novel fuel cell battery hybrid solution. In order to minimize the or maximize the energy density, we proposed using liquid hydrogen rather than gaseous hydrogen.

Speaker 21

It's about 8x more dense. So you get a much better energy density, and it allowed us to meet the requirement of 300 megawatt hours roughly on this space. We had to work with the community to on the permitting because as the owner and operator, we had to do the project development aspect of this, working with Calistoga to get the lease to the site and go through different consequences studies and HAZOP, HAZ ID with PG and E to get the system permitted and going forward. So the team has done a tremendous job tackling this challenge, and we've been moving forward with it. And so one of the other underpinnings of the operation of the system and rising up and meeting these challenges is our software solution.

Speaker 21

And my colleague Akshay will tell you more about this to come. But basically, the foundation of this is the functional orchestration of the different elements that we have there at the Calistoga project. And there's 4 of them. We have the battery energy storage system, which is providing that black start grid forming capability for the town because it needs a real shock when you're bringing a community as several megawatts up back online. And then also during the as the system is running and the town's loads are fluctuating, the batteries are there to provide a shock absorber and absorb changes in the load and so the system can respond.

Speaker 21

The second element is the fuel cells. They're there for base load. So they're providing the sustained power levels back behind the battery system. Those fuel cells need a reactant supply, and that's coming from the liquid hydrogen, not only the storage tank, which you saw is that big large 120 foot long structure, but also the distribution of that. So liquid hydrogen, you can't put that directly into the fuel cells.

Speaker 21

You need to actually heat that up to put it into from liquid to gaseous form. And so we have an array to do that, and we had to design that for 48 hour duration. And then the last thing is the microgrid itself. So the control of the microgrid, how these three different main elements there function and interact with the city load and react to dynamic changes in there. So that's the functional orchestration that underpins.

Speaker 21

On top of that then is the lifetime operational management of the system itself with our Vault Manager, Vault Bitter and the LTSA offerings. The system next year should be connected interconnected into the CAL ISO grid. And therefore, it will start we'll be able to participate in the market and start getting market revenues from the energy market using the battery front end of this system that helps bring in additional revenues on top of the tolling agreement we have with PG and E during further

Speaker 14

PSPS events.

Speaker 21

Another part of meeting the challenges is to have a robust supply chain and leverage the experience and capabilities of other people. So 2 of our main partners on this are Plug Power with their fuel cell units. So at Calistoga, we're using some of the 1st megawatt scale fuel cell units that Plug Power has produced. Now these are new products, but they're based on decades old technology and material handling for fuel cell stacks and subsystems that they've used. Those are integrated in a novel way into these GS-fifteen forty 1.3 Megawatt rated fuel cells.

Speaker 21

We have 6 of those there providing the base power for the town. On the hydrogen storage side, we're working with Chart Industries. And the tank you see there and on the video was fabricated here in the Midwestern United States. From Chart, they've long supplied the aerospace industry and others industrial processes, oil and gas with hydrogen storage and distribution equipment. So we're leveraging the experiences from them in a novel way for the Power Energy Storage Project.

Speaker 21

And so bringing it together, we've really come up with critical learnings in 4 of the main functional areas that it takes for a project like this. And all those are coming together and providing us with a repeatable blueprint and benefits. Now this blueprint is very powerful. It's allowing us the amount of things that we've learned through execution of this project are allowing us to understand how to design these kinds of systems better and faster and putting us miles ahead of our competitors. It also gives us the understanding of how we can get maximum profitability out of these kinds of projects, not only for ourselves but more importantly for our customers.

Speaker 21

As Marco just said, listening to customers is key here at Energy Vault. And really, it provides us a technical foundation to have flexible solutions that we have that we can provide to the industry. We've seen great success with these flexible solutions in the battery energy storage space, and now we're bringing that same kind of mindset here to hydrogen. And so how does this all translate then to follow on business and the bigger picture? Well, the things that we're doing in Calistoga here really provide that understanding to participate in both sides of the market, both in the production where you need supply of clean, reliable and available power 20 fourseven for the production of clean hydrogen and then on the consumption side where storage of hydrogen and its dispatch is critical to a number of these emerging market segments.

Speaker 21

More specifically, in hydrogen production, the capabilities that we've established not only in our hydrogen work at Calistoga but in battery energy storage is directly applicable to integration of electrolyzers at renewable plants. So that's one of the ways that green hydrogen is going to be produced here going forward. And so this work is gives us immediate value add for customers working on those projects. Now that's a stepping stone to broadening out in the production subsegment to providing even greater level of service with all the energization for these kinds of facilities going forward, which would really allow us to combine different things even beyond batteries and fuel cells for minimizing LCOE for those facilities. On the consumption side, with Calistoga, we're already providing power for microgrids, right, that whole sector.

Speaker 21

It's not only for communities undergoing PSPS events, but large industrial users. I've talked to folks in oil and gas that have wells that can't get online, can't be connected to the grid for 6 or 7 years, and they need a solution today. Fleet charging facilities, large loads, hyperscale data centers, all these places are directly applicable to what we're doing in Calistoga, storing convert hydrogen for use into power. So to sum it up, I hope you've seen how with the way that we're going to get into the clean hydrogen industry here is to start with our beachhead project here in Calistoga. That really gives us the ability to it's given us the ability to understand what it takes to put these in the ground and how to do it profitably.

Speaker 21

We're laser focused on that project itself. But even with that laser focus, the inquiries have started to come in as more people have taken note of this project and seen the applicability. And so we've been engaging with customers and taking that input and looking that into incorporating that into how we offer solutions going forward. If you look across the West alone, about every country or every state rather is in the midst of employing transmission line de energization for its wildlife mitigation programs, and that represents over 20% of the U. S.

Speaker 21

Population. So there's a we think there's a really strong market just for what we're doing with Calistoga itself. We see roughly about a $600,000,000 opportunity here in the U. S. And abroad because these line de energization strategies are also being looked at in Canada, the Mediterranean and Australia.

Speaker 21

So wherever you see wildfires, it's part of the strategy. So from that then, we think we'll have a firm foothold then for to participate in both sides of the hydrogen market going forward. And happy to answer any questions now. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, Craig. We've got time for maybe one question. We are running behind, but we've allowed plenty of time at the end for Q and A.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thank

Operator

you very much. And I'd like to welcome back on stage Akshay Lardwar, who's going to talk about our software services.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Laurence.

Speaker 17

Wellhead is a privately held owner, developer, operator of energy generating facilities in California. We've been around 40 years and currently we own and operate roughly 600 megawatts in California. So the Stanton project is a 68.8 Megawatt battery energy storage facility. That particular project provides resiliency to that local area in Stanton, as well as overall grid reliability to the larger system. So Energy Vault collaborated with us closely to basically come up with a custom technology solution for that project that at the time no other vendor was able to do under the time commitments that we had.

Speaker 17

We were able to complete a successful charge, 68.8 charge to the system only one day after the final battery was loaded. I've seen other projects take days or even weeks to get through that first charge or discharge of the system after the system is mechanically and electrically complete. So Energy Vault's readiness with the Vault OS was key in keeping us on schedule. We're bringing on a lot of solar, a lot of wind, all of that variable generation needs to be optimized. I wanted to ensure that we had the maximum operational flexibility so that we could get the most revenue out of the plant.

Speaker 17

But at the same time, it's so important that we understand exactly how the machine is operating. Are we stressing the battery from day to day? Those analytics are just extremely important to ensure that you can maximize revenue and minimize the life cycle cost of battery through its life. We're proving every day that the product that EV has given us is superior to the other products that we have. It's going to operate the way it's predicted to operate.

Speaker 17

And I know what the costs are going to be. And that makes my job not just doable. I have that opportunity to really excel.

Speaker 4

Wellhead was the first deployment of the Vault OS because of the size of the project and given how tight the site was and the custom solutions that we had to design, we had to install the batteries on-site. From the time we installed the last battery to the time we cleared the 7 tests which are required to participate into CYSO, it was about 2 weeks. And that was our first deployment of our VaultOS platform. The reason it all came together so quickly was, 1, obviously, the experience team but because of the way the VaultOS platform is built. As I talk about the software based solutions here, we carry the same mindset.

Speaker 4

There is no cookie cutter project. Even 2 projects in Kaiso, they are slightly different with the way the customer is trying to solve the application. Economics is the focus. We make sure we understand completely what the problem the customer is trying to solve for, what makes the project economics work, and that's what gets into algorithms, which eventually are programmed into the into our Vault bidder, which manages the dispatch for the Vault OS. And finally, once the project has been executed in operation, we continue to manage the SLAs, which is the software license agreements and LTSAs, and that is possible using our software platform as the backbone.

Speaker 4

As we go through the energy transition, I believe 2 things are very clear. The first one, we need a lot more storage, and it's not just battery energy storage. It's all kinds of storage. As we just looked at here, we talked about the short duration, which will provide the reliability, regulation with ancillary services. We need long duration, so we can shift the energy as more variable renewable energy hits the grid.

Speaker 4

And finally, we also need ultra long duration with microgrid, which we are doing with our Calistoga project. The second element is first one is we need a lot more storage. But the second one, there's not a single technology which will help us through that transition. It's going to be multiple different technologies. What that means is now we are entering the world of hybrid power plants.

Speaker 4

We have to become very good at understanding, designing, engineering, building, but most importantly, operating these assets, operating these hybrid power plants. And that's the fundamentals on which we have built the VaultOS platform along with all the other applications which get plugged into the VaultOS. On the bottom, you can see we have technologies, different type of resources. Generation could be wind, solar, hydro, gas, any type of generation paired with any type of storage. All of these are programmed into their operational constraints into the VaultOS platform.

Speaker 4

It's a technology neutral, technology agnostic platform. Overlaying this is the architecture of the Vault OS, and what gets up on the top is the different applications that different sites, different customers are trying to solve for. As we looked at the slides I presented in the Battery section, we had 3 separate projects, different hardware, different markets, different duration, but the VaultOS was the same common platform which was operating this. Agnostic to the technology generation or the storage, agnostic to the application. So the Vault OS, as we have designed and built it, is not an energy storage management platform.

Speaker 4

It's a platform to be able to manage all different types of assets, all different type of technologies with a focus especially around hybrid. Calistoga, one of the most complex application, is a microgrid. With the Walter West platform, we're able to manage dispatch of hydrogen, dispatch of the batteries. But also, we're essentially running the entire grid of the city of Calistoga should we have any faults on the grid. All of that is being managed by the VaultOS platform.

Speaker 4

It's different than just being a software platform that is dispatching just batteries. Finally, optimization. Optimization is fundamental as we look at hybrid based resources because you have so many different technologies with different constraints. For example, we have the fuel cells. The way the fuel cells ramp up and ramp down has to be taken into account.

Speaker 4

Should a fuel cell fail, we need to make sure we have reliability. All of that are variables which get programmed into the software platform that allows us to keep continuous optimization, but focusing on making sure that the lights of the city will stay on, that we are constantly providing the power that is necessary for the city. Optimization across different revenue streams. This is one of the fundamentals of how the lithium ion short duration battery energy storage grew. But as we bring on different duration of technologies and we're now looking at projects which are 400 megawatts, 500 megawatts each.

Speaker 4

We have customers that are trying to parse out different PPAs with these projects, although everything sits behind a common interconnect. But there could be different PPAs, which means the way you take the entire 500 megawatt and you operate it into the market has to be orchestrated through a comprehensive controls platform. The Vault OS is a combination of on prem plus cloud based software. It's a real time controls and monitoring platform. Like our strategy around the hardware and the other durations that we just talked about, key is flexibility, flexible across all types of technologies, all types of applications.

Speaker 4

Scalability, it's the same platform, the same controls platform that can be applied to a small sized project, could be a 5 megawatt or all the way up to multiple gigawatt hour sized project. The next two platforms integrate seamlessly with the Vault OS, the Vault Manager and the Vaultbidder. Vaultbidder is an optimization algorithm based platform where as we look at these assets that need to participate into the market, there's multiple different ways we can operate them. For example, let's take the example of the wellhead project in Kaisou. There's 9 different markets that we can take the same asset and we can operate it into.

Speaker 4

We can go in dayhead real time energy. We can operate it in the ancillary services. What rate do you charge? What rate do you discharge? What time do you do that?

Speaker 4

The economics of the project highly depends on the way the asset is being optimized and dispatched into the market. Wallpitter takes into account the forecasting, prices. It takes into account multiple different inputs such as weather. And continuously on a 5 minute basis generates the most optimum dispatch that makes the most economic sense, but making sure the asset is working within its constraints. Should we have an inverter go down?

Speaker 4

Should we have a fault on the grid? Immediately that's being adjusted into the amount that is possible to be dispatched. And should we then require to go and settle into the market for the shortfall, that is also being triggered by the VaultOS platform. Finally, the Walt bidder. Each of these projects that we have deployed, we collect over 100,000 data points every second.

Speaker 4

And all of this data being collected by the Vault OS gets put onto the cloud periodically. As you do a look back analysis on this data, there is a lot of useful information. How did we operate the project? What is the performance of the equipment? Compare the operational data against the historical market prices, clearly, there is a much better way to operate.

Speaker 4

Performance analytics is one of the key elements of the Vault Manager, which allows us to improve the way we dispatch and manage the assets. As we sign our LTSA contracts, the Vault Manager takes into account the best times that is good to service the asset, making sure we have as little time as possible off from the market, where the market conditions are more favorable to taking the asset offline? Should we have a failure on the site? Should there be a problem with the batteries with 1 of the technology's inverters, that automatically gets logged into a tracker, a issue tracker. And immediately, there was notifications to the service personnel to see this is the issue, this is the spare parts that are available, and here are the first two steps that can be taken.

Speaker 4

And that drives the issue all the way through

Speaker 2

completion. Energy Vault's proprietary software architecture comes together under VaultOS, controlling energy storage and generation assets in real time to ensure reliable and secure dispatch of electricity to the grid. VaultOS can handle anything from grid connected storage dispatch to complex control of micro grids with a mix of energy storage and generation technologies. And it's already in operation at energy storage sites in the ERCOT and CAISO markets, delivering over 100 gigawatt hours of electricity to the grid to date during peak demand. VaultOS responds instantaneously to changing grid conditions, exceeding grid requirements worldwide.

Speaker 2

When the grid frequency changes, the software can deliver power to or charge from it in milliseconds and at gigawatt scale. With the ability to process millions of data points per second, Vault OS delivers unparalleled high resolution data right down to the battery cell level, fueling our AI driven analytics engine to generate actionable insights on maintenance and maximizing ROI. The Vault OS platform dramatically streamlines commissioning. This efficiency allowed the B Vault site in Stanton, California to come online early and crucially ahead of a major Southern California heat wave. With access so much real time high resolution market and operational data, Energy Vault offers 2 software platforms for efficient asset management and maximizing returns.

Speaker 2

Vault Manager is a comprehensive asset management platform for optimizing cost, performance and maximizing profitability. Vault Manager turns real time performance data into insights that support decision making on asset maintenance, augmentation and expansion. Vault Manager's asset management capabilities include customizable ROI evaluation, project lifecycle analysis and digital twins based simulation, all accessible through an easy to use scoreboard interface. The operations and management portal employs modern dashboards for on-site service equipped with a knowledge base, maintenance tickets and self-service functionality. Vault Manager is the ideal tool for asset managers to monitor, track, analyze, optimize and deliver the highest possible ROI from any storage site.

Speaker 2

Vaultbidder is an advanced energy market monetization platform that maximizes asset owners revenue with AI driven models for dispatch optimization across energy markets, incorporating all operating conditions, physical constraints and contractual constraints. Vault bidder adjusts price forecasts for more aggressive or conservative operation per customers' preferences. Vault bidder generates optimal market compliant bids and offers for market participation, serving a wide variety of use cases, stand alone storage, hybrid power plants and more. Vault bidder can be easily adapted to a variety of market operators such as CAISO, ERCOT, AMO, National Grid, considering all market products, including energy and ancillary services in day ahead and real time markets. Any newly introduced market service can be added with simple configuration changes, accelerating new product development and speed of deployment.

Speaker 2

Vault bidder maximizes net value of an asset by not only maximizing the revenue streams, but also safeguarding a system's health using predefined KPIs and asset status data. VaultOS, Vault Manager and Vault Bitter are each standalone software platforms that can seamlessly integrate with each other and with 3rd party applications through open APIs. Energy Vault has built the most advanced energy market monetization platform and is already maximizing returns on investment for energy asset owners. When brought together, Vault OS, Vaultbitter and Vault Manager create the most functional energy management and trading software in the marketplace that is scalable, intuitive and secure.

Speaker 4

As we hand over the assets to our customers and they begin to operate them, We continue our engagement with them with our service contracts. We've signed SLAs and LTSAs, which are the long term service agreements to make sure the asset is online performing. And should there be issues with either of the equipment, we're managing the asset to make sure that the warranties, which are being committed by the suppliers, are upheld. The Vault OS, along with the Vault Manager and the bidding platform, builds up the backbone for us to go and deploy the LTSN SLA services. The first time we go and deliver, execute the project either as an EEQ or an EPC, there is an instance of the software platform delivered.

Speaker 4

The next one is, as the asset continues to operate into the market for its life, we sign SLAs, which allows us to continue to have a path to reoccurring revenues. For all of our projects that we execute, there is a path to reoccurring revenues with the SLAs. On top of there, there's the LTSAs, which allow us to manage the asset, make sure it's available online. And extended warranties, performance guarantees are all part of that wrap. To summarize the software strategy, flexibility allow us to integrate all types of assets, be a technology neutral and agnostic platform, focus on what matters to the customers, economics in the middle and finally, have a path to reoccurring revenue through the SaaS based model.

Operator

Thank you, Akshay. Again, any questions? Although we are again running out of time, but I want to bring on Michael Beer, our new CFO and then we'll bring back Rob and Michael at the end for extended Q and A. Okay, welcome to stage Michael

Speaker 10

All right. Good afternoon. My name is Michael Beer, CFO. As Rob had mentioned, I joined the company about a month ago, and thanks in part to a phenomenal finance and accounting team, I've been able to get up speed very quickly. I've spent the last 7 years leading finance and at a number of companies within the technology space, whether it was in the energy transition space, energy storage or mobility.

Speaker 10

Prior to that, spent about 15 years on the institutional sell side, working within the legacy energy space, oil and gas, refining and so forth, as well as global transportation infrastructure, not just here in New York, but in Asia as well, working for banks like Bear Stearns, helping to start Wolfe Research and then Citibank in Hong Kong and Singapore. Really thrilled to join such a phenomenal team. Obviously, with a shared vision and what they've been able to accomplish in the last 2 years is fantastic, and I think it just sets the stage for not just our next 2 years, but the next 20. So really thrilled to join the team. You would have seen last evening, we posted our Q1 results, in which we generated $7,800,000 in revenue at a 26.7 percent gross margin.

Speaker 10

We've now delivered over a gigawatt hour of energy storage projects thus far. Cash OpEx of 16.7 percent was actually improved about 22% year over year and thanks in part to cost side measures that were initiated in the Q4. Adjusted EBITDA improved 24% year over year to $14,400,000 a loss of $14,400,000 And we ended the period with cash of nearly $137,000,000 which is a reduction of about $9,000,000 from where we stood at year end. But as I'll talk about in a moment, our restricted cash position has been significantly enhanced. We also talked about a number of operational updates.

Speaker 10

These have been addressed throughout the day. We had a great update earlier this week on the maiden gravity project we have in Wudong, China. We also talked about the 4 40 Megawatt Hour project we have in Nevada that that was delivered and now energized. And we also gave an update on where we stand with the Calistoga project, which we've chosen to retain, and we'll talk more about the rationale and the economics behind that. Again, digging back into the Q1 results, the $7,800,000 in revenue was down fairly materially from the Q4.

Speaker 10

That was to be expected and reflective of the seasonality that we highlighted on the last earnings call, relatively in line with where we were sort of a year ago. In terms of gross profit, dollars 2,100,000 relatively flattish versus a year ago, but on a margin basis about 500 basis points improved year over year and significantly improved from what we had posted in the Q4. Again, that's a function of really generating a far larger percentage and proportion of higher margin service revenue versus more equipment oriented type revenue. From a cash OpEx perspective, this improved 22% year over year and 14% year over year quarter over quarter. And again, that's in part to some cost side initiatives that we put in place in the Q4, and we'll continue to see the benefit of that as the year progresses.

Speaker 10

Net net, the adjusted EBITDA was down. It was a loss of negative $14,400,000 That was improved by about $1,000,000 sequentially versus what we had posted in the Q4, notwithstanding the dramatic reduction in revenue and overall gross profit, again, a function of cost side measures but also just the higher gross margin percentage. On a total cash basis, again, we ended the period with $137,000,000 in cash. That was a reduction of $9,000,000 on an absolute basis. But what I really want folks to focus on here is the restricted cash and the change in restricted cash over the last year or so.

Speaker 10

In other words, in the Q1, we ended the period with just $1,000,000 of cash that was encumbered and restricted. Meanwhile, at the end of the year, that number was about $36,000,000 and a year ago, it was more like $84,000,000 So as we've matured, we've been able to build out phenomenal bonding capacity and have been able to use surety backed LCs rather than using cash to help facilitate many of the projects that we're working on and delivering in real time. And again, that show of maturity will allow us to do more with our resources going forward. And again, that's something that we're certainly going to dig into as the presentation continues. As far as the rest of the year, we're targeting between $50,000,000 $100,000,000 in total revenue.

Speaker 10

This reflects the seasonality of many of the large projects that we're working on, but it also reflects a conscious decision that we've made to retain some assets rather than to sell or transfer those assets. That being said, we are expecting a higher gross margin than what we've generated in the past. The 15% to 25% gross margin that we're targeting for the year is relative to the 26.7% we generated in the Q1 and relative to the 5% that we had posted in all of 2023. So that significant improvement obviously is a reflection of more favorable revenue mix and so forth, notwithstanding the lower revenue number on the top line. In terms of overall adjusted EBITDA, we're targeting a range of between negative $45,000,000 and negative $60,000,000 This is an improvement year over year relative to what we had posted in 2023 and again reflects some cost side management that we're vigilantly implementing as we speak.

Speaker 10

And then in terms of overall cash balance at year end, we're targeting a range of between $75,000,000 125,000,000 dollars which we believe is more than enough cash on an unrestricted basis to help us facilitate projects and again will allow us to target unique opportunities on the own and operate side. So this is more than enough cash for us to facilitate the business for the rest of the year, and we believe actually be in a cash generative position in 2025. All right. In terms of the financial outlook, we have refined and updated the way in which we think about the overall commercial pipeline. As you would have heard from my esteemed colleagues and some of the subject matter experts, we have a host of opportunities in multiple geographies across multiple product lines, really leveraging our technology, our know how and our ability to integrate and really deliver unique solutions around the world.

Speaker 10

Our developed pipeline today of $2,700,000,000 I'm thrilled to say that over half of that or I think the number is about 60% of that really comes from either existing customers or those strategic partners or investors of ours that are launching projects here in the near term. These are shortlisted and awarded projects, right? These are those that we feel fairly confident will be converted into backlog and thus revenue here within a reasonable time frame, let's call it 24 months or so. In terms of the actual backlog today, around $225,000,000 We talked earlier about the award received from ASIN in Australia. We're thrilled to actually commence production on that here in the second half of the year.

Speaker 10

Much of that revenue will show up towards the end of this year and into 2025. And again, that speaks to sort of the lumpiness and some of the timing issues associated with that type of work. In terms of executed projects, heretofore, we've delivered nearly $500,000,000 worth of project work or roughly a gigawatt hour of projects. And what I do want to highlight is really the way in which we're defining this commercial pipeline, and we want to try to provide additional transparency for The Street, which will allow you to improve the efficiency of forecasting and so forth and tracking our progress as we move from quarter to quarter. During Rob's presentation, we talked about focusing and dedicating resources in those markets that we think will yield the best results.

Speaker 10

That includes China, United States, Australia and Western Europe. We invested in those markets. We placed resources in those markets. There's good local talent that are working with local customers and global customers, and we now have significant traction that we can speak to and leverage going forward. So you can see that we've now placed bets in each of those key markets, and it's starting to bear fruit.

Speaker 10

Furthermore, we're also leveraging a nice diversified storage portfolio. So many of you 2, 3 years ago would have known this solely as a gravity storage company. We've obviously diversified. We have a very healthy portfolio of unique products within the bVault or battery storage segment as well as hVault or hybrid solutions. Our software really is an overlay across all of those different business lines, and we can now get more creative in the way in which we think about deploying and allocating resources for those unique projects that frankly we'd be more than happy to keep on our balance sheet.

Speaker 10

We think that that's also going to help smooth out some of the episodic peaks and troughs that would otherwise be associated with an all EPC type business, and we'll get a little bit more into that in a moment. The purpose of this slide is really to start giving the analyst community and investors a little bit more comfort as to how they should think about each of our different business lines and the way in which we're thinking about really capital intensity, and that's what it kind of comes down to. We basically have shown 5 different sub segments here. We will not be reporting on a segment basis going forward, but this is just a directional indication of how we think about the overall economics and the capital intensity associated with each of these different business lines, whether it's gravity, battery, hydrogen, software or the own and operate segment. And it really comes down to the overall business model and the structure that's employed.

Speaker 10

In terms of gravity, we've opted to really focus on IP licenses and recurring royalties. That means that we're not building these projects. And as a result, it's fairly low from a capital intensity perspective. We're not deploying a lot of capital. The dollars may be relatively small relative to say what you see from our battery business, but the gross margins are fairly exceptional in excess of 90%.

Speaker 10

On the battery side, again, this is largely EPC or EEQ business. It is low capital intensity, but you're often handling large sums of money, large projects, and the margin is a much more pedestrian, let's call it, 10% to 15% on average. Obviously, we have a number of listed peers in which one can look across and see some sort of market averages, and this would be relatively in line with what they report. In terms of hydrogen, again, this is a low capital intensity type business. If these projects are managed well, you should never be underwater from a cash flow perspective throughout the development cycle.

Speaker 10

But the HVault and these hybrid solutions are do require a little bit more creativity. They do require a little bit more know how. Require a little bit more ingenuity. And as a result, we're able to often receive a larger gross margin for those that we were to transfer and or we think that we can actually retain a lot of those economics should we decide to own and operate those assets ourselves. In terms of software and services, much less capital intensity and as a result, far better sort of margin profile, albeit those dollars for us are relatively small.

Speaker 10

It's really the connective tissue that sort of ties it all together. There can also be some rev rec issues around the time with which those SaaS services or software are delivered or rather the performance obligation is recorded. In terms of own and operate, these assets, the ones that we've identified, whether it's Calistoga with PG and E and the tolling agreement associated with that, whether it's our Cross Shales project in Texas, the margin profile that one can generally expect would be on the order of 70% to 80%. Again, this is a higher capital intensity type decision. We're using our balance sheet.

Speaker 10

Initially, that may be in the form of equity, but very quickly that equity capital would be recycled visavisproject finance structure. Furthermore, as a result of the IRA, we think we can really monetize a lot of these tax credits and make the economics all that much more interesting and worthwhile from our perspective. In addition to some of the tolling opportunities, there's also a lot we can do around some merchant market opportunities. So this is just to kind of give you, the analysts and investors, really a little bit more fidelity and a little bit more confidence of how you should be thinking about these different business units. Obviously, you can look at the blended total that we've put down below.

Speaker 10

That will change quarter to quarter, year to year depending on mix, but it will give you some guideposts as you think about our business. And again, on a blended total basis, you can see that 15% to 20% sort of objective. That will be obviously largely weighted towards that bVault segment because the dollars are just, quite frankly, much larger as a percent of the total. And when we think about Gravity, we've often talked about really the licenses. There are upwards of $200,000,000 or more in recurring royalties that we anticipate over the next 10 years.

Speaker 10

Those numbers can be substantially larger depending on how additional licenses are added over time or additional facilities are built over time. There's a variable component to that. And so I've separated that out. I want to make sure that we acknowledge that there is significant value associated with those recurring royalties, but it's going to be spread over a period of time and it's variable, and some of those variables are frankly not in our control. It's a function of how the asset owner chooses to deploy that asset, operate that asset and satisfy market demand for energy in those specific markets.

Speaker 10

To date, we've sold licenses that cover 19 countries, bookings of $100,000,000 of which $61,000,000 of revenue has actually been recorded, and the gross profit on that has been historically in excess of 90%, and I don't expect that to change. From the technicals, we heard from Marco and team, this is a product that has a round trip efficiency in excess of 80%. We've had multiple technology generations and continuing to push the envelope in terms of what's possible, different operating domains, different structures, different ways in which we can deliver this unique and novel technology to the market. And then overall cost reduction, we believe from a levelized cost of storage perspective, this makes a lot of sense. And again, it's depending on the operating domain, what is the duration of storage that we're trying to satisfy and so forth.

Speaker 10

All told, again, dollars 100,000,000 of bookings as it relates to licenses and over $200,000,000 we believe capable from a recurring royalty perspective over the next 10 years. In terms of what does that mean for 2025? So in addition to providing 2024 guidance, we're also providing 2025 guidance, part and parcel because we have very large projects that will likely go from the Q4 of this year and overlap into 2025. And so while 2024's revenue is envisioned to be sort of $50,000,000 to $100,000,000 part and parcel because we're retaining the ownership of some of those assets, 2025 should be a much more meaningful $450,000,000 to $600,000,000 And again, that's a function of number of contracts that we've been awarded already that have been booked and those that we have line of sight and anticipate will convert into a booking here imminently. In terms of the gross margin profile, as a function of the overall dollars involved and the weighting towards those battery projects, I would expect this to be in the 15% to 20% type range.

Speaker 10

We are expecting to inflect positively from an adjusted EBITDA perspective on the year, and we expect to end the year in excess of $100,000,000 of cash, so somewhere between $100,000,000 $150,000,000 which again we anticipate to be more than sufficient cash to facilitate the business and to allow us to make some really informed, educated and opportunistic investments into some unique assets and opportunities. And so just to recap the point that Rob had made, as we think about this sort of, let's call it, midpoint within our 2 year journey as a public company and now looking out for the next 2 years, the 1st 2 years as a public company, we generated $487,000,000 in revenue with an average gross margin of 16%. Over the next 2 years, based on guidance, we expect to generate between $500,000,000 $700,000,000 in revenue at a forecasted gross margin on a blended basis gross margin of between 15% 20%. We expect to inflect positively from an adjusted EBITDA perspective. And again, our confidence around these figures is a function of having over 60% of that $2,700,000,000 developed pipeline from existing customers where we delivered projects and those from strategic partners and investors.

Speaker 10

Lastly, I want to leave you with really a deep dive into the cash position because I think and rightly so, Wall Street has been focusing on the cash position not just of Energy Vault but all companies that are sort of within this energy transition type landscape. This is a company that has maintained an unrestricted cash balance over the last 5 quarters of between $74,200,000 $135,800,000 So that is unrestricted cash that was not encumbered, was not restricted and tied up in project related work. Importantly, you'll see that, that restricted cash has been declining every single quarter. So it went from $83,000,000 a year ago to about $1,000,000 in the most recent quarter. That's a function of the maturity of the organization.

Speaker 10

That's a function of us building out about $1,000,000,000 in bonding capacity, and that's also allowing us to really enhance and leverage our use of surety backed letters of credit rather than using cash back letters of credit. So that maturation and the way in which we think about facilitating project work has really freed up cash to allow us to do a lot of other sort of creative things or make more opportunistic bets. As a result, we believe that band of 74 $1,000,000 to $137,000,000 of unrestricted cash is something where we can comfortably manage the business, and that's the range with which we expect to stay in over the next 18 months or really for the 'twenty four and 'twenty five year end guidance. So just want to kind of give you a sense, this is where we've been for the last year and a half and where we expect to basically be for the next year and a half. So it's an area that we feel comfortable with, and we'll continue to manage our cash resources, obviously, very vigilantly.

Speaker 10

We've already put in place cost side measures, but just giving you a sense that this is something that we take very seriously that we're managing and that we believe that we're sufficiently resourced to facilitate the business going forward, notwithstanding a very large increase in the overall portfolio of opportunities. We are not anticipating taking on any corporate debt at this stage, nor are we anticipating any dilutive financing events. That being said, as we move into the own and operate space, we will very opportunistically go out to market for project finance, look to monetize tax credits and things of that nature. But again, that wouldn't manifest itself in the form of related debt. Okay.

Speaker 10

With that

Operator

Thank you, Michael. I'd like to invite Rob Picani back on stage and with Michael, and they'll be happy to take some questions from the audience. Question over here.

Speaker 15

Hi, everyone, and thanks for taking my questions. So I have 2 just to start here. So when we look at your reported stated backlog in terms of revenue, I think as exiting the Q1 is like $136,000,000 and now it's $225,000,000 with the addition of the Australia project. I was just curious like what kind of visibility you have on converting that to revenue in the next 12 months because I think exiting the Q1 was like 3%. And just helping just bridge the guidance for $50,000,000 to $100,000,000 in revenue in 2024?

Speaker 10

Yes. So as you would have seen, we announced the ASIN project today. And without disclosing the specific size of that project, you can probably kind of back into the general order of magnitude. Now that being said, previously, we would have defined backlog and excluded all things associated with sort of future licenses and some other sort of long term service agreements. We've now decided to change the definition ever so modestly to include that, and it's a little bit more holistic.

Speaker 10

And so you can see in the slides that have just been published, we've now redefined what is included in that. But the ASIN deal, and we've given some details around the timing of that, it should commence construction here in the second half of 'twenty four. Some of that revenue will be recorded in 'twenty towards the end of 'twenty four, but largely in 2025. We do have other projects that are in varying stages of being completed, where there will be some revenue associated with those projects and other projects where we have a line of sight to commence construction and believe that some portion of that would be recorded before year end 'twenty four, hence the $50,000,000 to $100,000,000 type revenue range. We have tried to be conservative and make sure that these are achievable figures.

Speaker 3

I would just add to that, that the other pieces of the bridge there in addition to project timing, just to remind, we're choosing to keep some things on our balance sheet. So in the magnitude of anywhere from $75,000,000 to $150,000,000 of things we could have monetized into revenue this year. So that you would add to then some of the project timing. We obviously announced last quarter and reiterated this quarter a very large project for entry in Australia that moved about 6 months. So we were planning initially to have some of that rev rec this year, and that's moved a little bit into next year but as announced with a strategic partner.

Speaker 3

So it's not an if, it's just a when on that one. So that impacted our rubric this year, but as you see, it moves very strongly into 2025.

Speaker 15

Got it. And then just one clarification question for me. I know just to point out that your execution on the B vault side has been exceptional with the couple of projects you had commissioned recently. Of the $2,700,000,000 in the development pipeline, is that primarily battery? Is that all battery?

Speaker 15

Or is that just the breakdown of that backlog going into next year?

Speaker 10

Yes. I don't think we're breaking it down by segment, targeting into the segment reporting territory. But it is going to be largely associated with Battery, just the way EPC revenue in dollars would flow through.

Speaker 3

Yes. We also announced last quarter, and to reiterate on the gravity side, there's a we mentioned a Washington State gravity project that's multi gigawatt hour. So that's gravity. That would, as of right now, not be included because the timing we see of that project, so not included in the numbers here, announced the utility its public utility allowed us to announce and call that out. So we have other things in the approach we're taking on the funnels, as Michael's pointed out, to be very streamlined in near term.

Speaker 3

But we see tremendous opportunity with Gravity now with some of these new applications. And a lot of those could pop in and get pulled up. What's interesting about Gravity is it's not a new concept. It's proven. And these new applications can turn very quickly with groups that, as I mentioned in my talk, the projects are large.

Speaker 3

There's nothing sub-five hundred megawatt hour and most of them are north of a gigawatt hour. So anyway.

Speaker 15

I appreciate the color. I can pass it on.

Operator

Thank you. Any more? One here.

Speaker 16

You talked about the improvement in profitability year on year being driven a lot by the licensing layering in. Talk about or could you separate that out between that dynamic and improvement in the base business, the nonlicensing piece and what the trajectory of that improvement looks like?

Speaker 10

Sure. So in the Q1, there was the prospect to potentially record the GuessAll South African license revenue. We did not record that. So the $7,800,000 in the Q1 excluded any sort of license related revenue associated with that GuessAll license. We do expect to record that later this year.

Speaker 10

So that would obviously improve the economics there. The point of showing the slide that really broke down the 5 sort of different business lines and what would be the directional margin structure is it allows you to sort of see if we were just doing battery EPC work, you would expect us to have margins that would be in line with some of our listed peers that are obviously very oriented towards that. The uplift on the overall blended margin is a function of adding in and layering in whether it's own and operate projects, whether it's license or royalty streams and whether it's long term service agreements and things of that nature.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Any more? Okay. Well, thank you very much. We will be following up with calls after this and typical analyst calls.

Operator

We do have a nice lunch outside. So hope you're hungry and thank you very much for joining us and thank you very much for all the presenters and sharing what we look forward to for the rest of 2024. Thank you very much.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

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