Dime Community Bancshares Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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July 23, 2024

There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to Dime Community Bancshares Inc. 2nd Quarter Earnings Conference Call. Before we begin, the company would like to remind you that discussions during this call contain forward looking statements made under the Safe Harbor provisions of the U. S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

Operator

Such statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in any such statements, including as set forth in today's press release and the company's filings with the U. S. Securities and Exchange Commission to which we refer you. During this call, references will be made to non GAAP financial measures as supplemental measures to review and assess operating performance. These non GAAP financial measures are not intended to be considered in isolation or as a substitute for the financial information prepared and presented in accordance with the U.

Operator

S. GAAP. For information about non GAAP measures and for reconciliation to GAAP, please refer to today's earnings release. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session.

Operator

Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Stuart Lebow, President and CEO. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good morning. Thank you, Lisa, and thank you all for joining us this morning for our quarterly earnings call. With me today is Avi Reddy, our CFO. In the Q2, Dime continued to execute on our growth plan. The momentum in our business is strong and we grew core deposits by over $300,000,000 and business loans by over $200,000,000 The strong growth in core deposits has enabled us to reduce our wholesale funding substantially since year end.

Speaker 1

As a result, the net interest margin increased by 20 basis points in the quarter. We were pleased with the increase in the margin and believe the Q1 of 2024 was a trough for this cycle in terms of both net interest income and NIM. Our cost of deposits declined on a linked quarter basis and since the end of the second quarter deposits have continued to remain stable to down. Going forward, we expect a slow and steady build in NIM absent any rate cuts. Rate cuts and the eventual repricing of our legacy lower coupon fixed and adjustable rate loan portfolios should accelerate NIM expansion as we get into the latter half of 20252026 And then this will drive a structurally higher NIM.

Speaker 1

Over the past month, we have successfully raised $75,000,000 in subordinated debt. At the end of the Q2, our total capital ratio was 14.5%, and we now rank at the absolute top end of our local peer group in terms of total capital. Capital is obviously important in executing our growth strategy. Asset quality continues to remain solid with NPAs down 29% on a linked quarter basis. We plan to file our 10 Q next week and expect to report that classified assets will also be down approximately 14% on a linked quarter basis.

Speaker 1

We recently received regulatory approval for a new branch location in Westchester County. In fact, I was in White Plains just last week for a business reception we hosted with many important new and prospective clients and I'm proud of our ability to expand Dine franchise into this new attractive new market. Subsequent to our Q1 earnings call, where we announced the onboarding of 6 deposit gathering teams, we've onboarded another 2 deposit gathering teams in May June. 1 of these teams is based in Williamsburg, a market that is very familiar to time and where we were founded. The second team is based in Manhattan.

Speaker 1

Additionally, we hired an exceptional banker to build out our not for profit lending vertical. I am proud of the company wide effort in terms of recruiting and integrating all these bankers into the DIME umbrella. Clearly, our recruiting efforts over the past year have been successful. Our deposit gathering groups are up over $1,000,000,000 of total deposits and our middle market C and I group helped drive strong business loan growth this quarter. In the quarters ahead, we expect the healthcare vertical to begin to meaningfully contribute to the loan growth and the diversification of our balance sheet as they have built a substantial loan pipeline at an attractive yields.

Speaker 1

In summary, I am very optimistic about the trajectory that Dime is on. Our market continues to be significantly disrupted and the strategic offense we've been playing is paying off in the numbers. With that, I will turn it over to Avi.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Stu. Reported EPS was $0.43 per share, an increase of 5% over the linked quarter. In line with the mid quarter update we provided in June, we saw meaningful expansion to the tune of 20 basis points. NIM expansion was driven by the strong year to date growth in core deposits and our business loan portfolio, as well as the proactive reduction in higher cost wholesale funding. Non interest income for the 2nd quarter was 11,800,000 dollars This included a gain on the sale of a branch that we executed a sale leaseback on.

Speaker 2

Core cash operating expenses for the 2nd quarter excluding intangible amortization was $55,400,000 We have recruited approximately 65 revenue generating bankers over the course of the past 5 quarters, including 15 deposit gathering teams, a fully built out healthcare vertical and most recently a not for profit vertical. We expect the revenue generation from these hires to far outweigh the start up expenses associated with the organic build out of all these groups in the years ahead. We had a $5,600,000 loan loss provision this quarter. The allowance to loans increased to 72 basis points. Our CET1 ratio is above 10% and our total capital ratio of 14.5% is now best in class amongst our local peer group.

Speaker 2

Next, I'll provide some thoughts on the NIM expenses and balance sheet growth. With respect to the NIM, we called out in the earnings release that there was a 4 basis point benefit from the payoff of a loan that was previously on non accrual status. In addition, the sub debt offering which closed on the last day of quarter is expected to have a 3 basis point downward impact on the NIM going forward. As such, the base NIM to work from for modeling purposes for future quarters is closer to 234. As Stu said, we expect a slow and steady improvement in the NIM until the impact of rate cuts kick in.

Speaker 2

We also have a significant repricing opportunity in our adjustable and fixed rate loan portfolios that's expected to kick in, in the second half of twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six. To give you a sense of the repricing opportunity, in the second half of twenty twenty five and in twenty twenty six, we have approximately $2,000,000,000 of adjustable and fixed rate loans across the loan portfolio at a weighted average rate of 3.9% that either reprice or mature in that timeframe. Assuming a conservative 2 25 basis point spread for those loans over the forward 5 year treasury, we should see 35 basis point increase in the NIM as these loans reset to higher rates in 2025 and 2026. With respect to expenses, we expect core cash operating expenses for the Q3 to be approximately $57,000,000 and we expect to hold that quarterly run rate with very nominal growth in 2025. We are working on a few company wide initiatives that should drop to the bottom line in 2025 and this should result in very nominal expense growth for 2025.

Speaker 2

With respect to our positioning on lending, we anticipate continued growth in our business lending portfolio. Growth in the business portfolio will offset declines in multifamily and CRE, while we are still servicing existing relationships. On an aggregate basis, we expect the loan portfolio to be up low single digits for the second half of the year. With that, I'll turn the call back to Lisa and we'll be happy to take all your questions.

Operator

Thank you. You. And our first question today is coming from Mark Fitzgibbon of Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Speaker 3

Hey, good morning guys. This is Greg Zingone stepping in for Mark at the moment. How are you?

Speaker 2

Hey, Greg. How are you doing?

Speaker 1

Hey, how are you? Good morning.

Speaker 3

Just curious, what was your spot NIM for June?

Speaker 2

Yes. So what I tried to point out in the prepared remarks, Greg, was we had around 4 basis points from the payoff of our previous non accrual loan. All that happened in the month of June. So the June NIM was a little inflated. But if you back that out, the spot NIM would have probably been around $236,000,000 $237,000,000 for the month of June.

Speaker 2

We also mentioned that the sub debt offering closed at the end of June, so that will have an impact going forward, but probably around 2.36 to 2.37 ex the sub debt for June.

Speaker 3

Okay. And then on the $5,500,000 provision, is that a good run rate for us to think about for the remainder of the year?

Speaker 2

Well, we evaluate the provision every quarter based on economic conditions. So it's really going to be a function of what the Moody's forecasts are on a going forward basis. I think right now we feel pretty adequately provisioned. We built the reserve a basis point here. So it's really going to be a function of how the Moody's estimates come out, Greg.

Speaker 2

Yes.

Speaker 1

And as we continue to book new loans, C and I and business related loans, obviously those provisions are somewhat higher. So there'll be just in terms of the ongoing shift in the loan portfolio, there'll be some provisioning associated with that, that will change relative to the model.

Speaker 3

Okay. And then lastly, how big of a push do you plan to make in Westchester? Is adding more teams or more branches in Westchester a priority going forward?

Speaker 1

I think we've got 2 teams up there now. We've just gotten approval for a full service or limited service branch up there. We're not really looking to open up retail locations. It's really more second story business related growth. And so for now, I could see us bringing on more teams over time.

Speaker 1

I don't see us opening up a lot more bricks and mortar up there in terms of branch locations.

Speaker 3

Awesome. Thank you, guys.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Craig.

Operator

Thank you. And one moment for the next question. Our next question will be coming from Manuel Nieves of D. A. Davidson.

Operator

Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hey, good morning, fellows. I appreciate I think I just missed the OpEx guide for next quarter. Could you just reiterate that? And then any color you can add on somewhat what some of the things you're looking at for next year? You're saying you're going to have nominal expense growth.

Speaker 4

Just could you highlight or discuss any of those initiatives in greater detail? Or is it too early to say?

Speaker 2

Yes. We're just going through our budgeting process now, Manuel. So I think as we get towards the end of the year into really our January call, we'll be able to outline all of those in detail. The guidance was we probably expect to be around $57,000,000 in Q3, kind of hold that for the rest of the year. But our goal is for next year to have very nominal growth, absent any additional team hiring opportunity that could take place next year.

Speaker 2

So that's pretty much the guidance. At this point, I think we'll have more details as we get into our December January timeframe we get through the budgeting season.

Speaker 4

I really appreciate that. That leads me to my next question. What's kind of the pipeline on hires? Has it kind of calmed down? Are you still seeing talent out there that's interesting?

Speaker 4

What's kind of an update on hiring process?

Speaker 1

Yes. We are still talking to folks. There's still talent out there both on both sides of the balance sheet, both on the deposit side and on the lending side. We've obviously been busy on both sides of the balance sheet. We brought in a group of C and I lenders and they've really have begun contributing in a significant way.

Speaker 1

Our healthcare group pipeline is very significant and I think there's going to be some meaningful loan volume this quarter in that business as well. And we are exploring other teams in terms of C and I business. So yes, there's some opportunity. I think as we get later in the year, as folks get closer to year end and bonuses and whatnot, that's going to slow down a little bit, but we are planting the seeds into next year. So I do think there's some opportunity.

Speaker 1

I think we proved that we're the bank to be in terms of opportunity and bringing their customers over. We've opened 3000 to 4000 new business accounts and relationship accounts with the new teams that are just starting to fund. We're almost at $1,100,000,000 in new deposits, nearly half of that DDA. So, the model and the thesis that we have has proved out and I think we're looked at as a place to go in terms of opportunity. So I really do think there's a lot to come in the future.

Speaker 4

Is healthcare going to be a big chunk of the low single digit growth in the back half of this year? I think you've given pipelines in the past for that group. Is that something that's disclosable today?

Speaker 1

Sure. I mean, our pipeline in the Healthcare business is $172,000,000 at an average rate of 780 dollars But our C and I pipeline is $130,000,000 an average rate of $8,500,000 So it's across the board and it's really again following what we've been saying for the last year in terms of diversification. So, we're quite encouraged by the build out of both our middle market C and I business, our healthcare business, even our residential group is up substantially in terms of pipeline. They have over $60,000,000 in the pipeline at a 6.5% rate, all adjustable rate mortgages. So again, we're out there and we're doing business and so we're very encouraged.

Speaker 4

If I just shift to the NIM for a moment, I really appreciate the repricing opportunity second half of next year into 2026. More near term, if we do get a rate cut in September, could the slow and steady NIM increases accelerate a bit in the Q4?

Speaker 2

Yes, yes.

Speaker 4

Okay. And

Speaker 5

do you have any other thoughts on that?

Speaker 1

I think we're seeing just month over month with the new originations and repricing of what loans we do have that are repricing this year. We're still seeing a slow and steady growth in terms of loan yields and deposit yields are flat to down. So just the natural progression is positive. But certainly with a rate cut in September and put possibly one later in the year, we could see that accelerate quite a bit. Just month to date, for example, our yields on loan are up over 3 basis points.

Speaker 1

And we expect that to accelerate with this quarter's new originations and repricing. So again, we're optimistic. And as I said, absent rate cuts, we're going to see a slow and steady grind up, but certainly the rate cuts are going to help accelerate that growth.

Speaker 4

My last question is that repricing opportunity doesn't include any it just includes the forward curve for the second half of twenty twenty five into twenty twenty six. It's just the loan side. It doesn't include expectations on rate cuts in there, correct? Is that the right way to think about that analysis? Yes.

Speaker 2

Just off the forward curve, Manuel. So the comment was we have $2,000,000,000 in the back half of 20 $5,000,000 $26,000,000 at a rate of $3.90,000,000 Just follow the forward curve and that's which is around 4% for the 5 year going forward. You should see a 35 basis point increase in the NIM overall just solely because of that. Now on top of that, we are remixing the loan portfolio. That's obviously adding, as we said, around 4 to 5 basis points every quarter to the NIM.

Speaker 2

And then you layer on top of that the deposit growth that we have. We still have around $750,000,000 of brokered on the balance sheet. We've obviously paid down a lot of our short term FHLB borrowings. So that was the first step in the balance sheet evolution. The brokered is still at $750,000,000 So as we as the new teams bring in deposits, as our lending teams bring in deposits, that's going to help offset the broker deposits on the balance sheet.

Speaker 2

So I think the message here is we don't need rate cuts to see an upward bias in the NIM. With rate cuts, we're going to have an even greater increase in the NIM. And then once the repricing opportunity kicks in, the NIM is really going to accelerate at that point in time back and probably higher than where we were in the last cycle based on what our models are showing.

Speaker 4

That's great. I really appreciate the commentary. Thank you very

Operator

much. Thank you. And our next question will be coming from Steve Moss of Raymond James. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Good morning.

Speaker 4

Hey Steve.

Speaker 2

Hey Steve.

Speaker 5

Just following up on deposits here. Stu, I think you said balances on deposits were stable to down at the beginning of the call. Just kind of curious here, you got a healthy step up in the deposit growth, with all the teams you've added here. Is it possible that we could see that pace continue this quarter?

Speaker 1

And then the second

Speaker 4

part to that

Speaker 5

go ahead.

Speaker 1

What I said was yields on deposits were stable to down, but we're seeing steady growth on the deposit side. So we expect continued growth on the deposit side.

Speaker 5

Okay. And so perhaps at a similar pace to what we saw this past quarter?

Speaker 2

Yes. I don't think we don't think about it on a quarterly basis, Steve. Obviously, in the first and competitors. So sometimes it ebbs and flows. But I mean the way we look at it is the groups that have come on, right, the average tenure of the groups on a weighted average basis is only 8 7 to 8 months at the bank.

Speaker 2

So they have a substantial runway in front of them to do that. So we're measuring it in terms of years as opposed to quarters. So I think a year from now, we're going to be substantially higher than where we are right now. Every individual quarter, you have seasonality, deposits coming in, deposits coming out. The other way we track it is 2 set is accounts.

Speaker 2

So we're continuing to see accounts open every day, every week and very bullish about them bringing over more and more deposits over time.

Speaker 5

Okay. Could you share with us how many accounts were open this quarter?

Speaker 2

This quarter we probably had, I'd say close to around 700 to 800 accounts that were open.

Speaker 5

And then in terms of just curious what the blended cost of funds you're seeing on the deposits coming over these days?

Speaker 2

Yes, probably say around between $250,000,000 $270,000,000 plus or minus from the new groups. Because as Stu said, substantial portion of it is in DDA, probably 40% to 45% DDA of the stuff that's coming in. So it's between 250% and 275%. Okay.

Speaker 5

Appreciate that. And then in terms of the drivers here on the lower class by down 14% quarter over quarter. Just curious to get some incremental color around those drivers?

Speaker 2

We should have all the detail in the 10 Q. We just provided an expectation right now. I think multifamily is down around $15,000,000 $20,000,000 I think C and I and owner occupied are down the rest basically investor CRE is basically flat. But all the detail will be in our Q next week, Steve.

Speaker 5

Okay. Appreciate that.

Speaker 4

Okay. So I guess just

Speaker 5

last one for me here. In terms of it sounds like you guys remain active on the hiring front or at least interested. Do you expect like a steady pace of ads in the second half of the year for additional teams? Or is it more maybe a 2025?

Speaker 1

Yes, I think it's more 2025. As we're getting towards the end of the year, folks tend to have the view of, well, I'm going to stay where I am for now. I got bonuses coming up. And so it's probably more towards the end of the Q1 of 2025. Although there probably might be some opportunity on the lending side with some teams that I think may be available and we are talking too seriously.

Speaker 1

So but I think on a deposit side, it's probably more geared toward early 2025.

Speaker 5

Okay, great. Really appreciate all the color. Nice quarter.

Speaker 4

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank

Operator

you. Our next question will be coming from Christopher O'Connell of KBW. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Hey, good morning.

Speaker 2

Hey, Chris. Good morning.

Speaker 1

Hey, Chris. So

Speaker 6

yes, just wanted to start off on the NIM and apologize if I missed anything. But from what I understand, slow and steady progress until there's rate cuts from here in the back half of the year. And that's inclusive of the sub debt offering, correct? And kind of minus the non accrual recovery. Are you guys thinking the NIM will progress and be up from the 237 June NIM range the non accrual recovery?

Speaker 2

Yes. So Chris, in my prepared remarks, what I said was the base NIM to use is 234. So the 234 excludes the 4 basis points from the non accrual interest recovery and then the 3 basis points from the sub debt. So I'd start with the 234 and use the slow and steady and upward bias off of that base. As we've said, the loan yields are going up probably 4 to 5 basis points of every quarter on an average basis.

Speaker 2

That's going to help. And obviously, if you see stabilization in the cost of deposits, you're going to see the natural upward progression in the NIM. So I think that's the case still there's rate cuts. Once there's rate cuts, we obviously have more deposits than assets that we can reprice. So that's going to help us, I'd say, starting in Q4 into Q1 and Q2 of it's going to be a layered approach in terms of the NIM.

Speaker 2

And then I think you also have to factor into all of that the new deposit teams that are coming that are bringing in deposits as I said, a rate of between $2.50 $2.75 versus the brokered cost right now, which is $5.35 So I think all of you put all of that together, we're pretty confident that as we get into the back half of 2025 and 2026, then the NIM structurally will be a lot higher than where it is right now.

Speaker 6

Great. That's helpful. And then as you guys are it sounds like very good quarter multifamily on the criticized classifieds, no NPLs. Can you just remind us of how much you guys have maturing in the rent regulated portfolio in the second half of the year? And just anything that you've been seeing from your customers in terms of just any qualitative data as to what you've been seeing in terms of either debt service coverage ratios or just conversations with the customers for what's matured year to date?

Speaker 2

Yes. So I'll start off with the what's coming to you and then still add some qualitative comments. I mean in Q3, we probably have around $10,000,000 on the rent regulated side and in Q4, we have I think $15,000,000 to $20,000,000 So it's very modest this year in terms of what's remaining. In the second quarter, for example, we probably had around $45,000,000 of rent regulated loans that was supposed to reprice, around $20,000,000 of that satisfied, around $25,000,000 of that repriced and we've had no issues associated with them. So probably like a 1 third, 2 third split as of the last quarter in terms of satisfactions and repricing.

Speaker 2

Probably give me some color qualitatively on Yes.

Speaker 1

I mean, we haven't had a lot of conversations with customers. We haven't had the phones are not ringing off the hook in terms of issues or problems. Obviously, our NPLs and delinquencies are stable to down. So, it's we're monitoring everything. We haven't seen a significant change in debt service coverages.

Speaker 1

Actually, overall, probably a lot of it has actually gone to the positive in terms of growth in debt service coverage. I'd say 75% to 80% of the portfolio year over year has had debt service coverage. So at this point, we continue to monitor and certainly stay in contact with customers where necessary, but we're not seeing any significant issues at this point. Great.

Speaker 6

And then just on the expense discussions, it jumps up to $57,000,000 next quarter. I'm assuming a lot of that's in compensation from the new hires. And then, it sounds like you think that level can hold relatively flat into 2025. Just what are some of the puts and takes? I'm assuming there's merit increase, etcetera, in 2025, where you guys think that you have opportunities to kind of save and kind of limit the overall expense growth from here into 2025?

Speaker 2

Yes, yes. So I think all of that's fair, Chris. So I think for the second half of this year, around $57,000,000 plus or minus is probably a good range. Obviously, the merit increase is going to impact really on April 1. So the Q1 of next year is going to be pretty consistent with where the second half of this year is going to be.

Speaker 2

I mean, look, we've always managed expenses efficiently. Like you said, we're going to see an uptick in salary and comp expense, especially as the new groups are performing very well. So there's accruals and the such to think about on a going forward basis. But we're working like I said when I answered Manuel's question, we're working on a few company wide initiatives. We'll probably have more to disclose when we get into early next year.

Speaker 2

I think the guidance for next year is very nominal growth. I wouldn't say flat because we're obviously investing in our businesses throughout the year, but we're going to be very judicious as we always are. And as you see the NIM trajectory improve over time, I think that's going to give us a little bit of room to invest in the business as well. Look, we're very happy with the early performance of the groups. The groups are basically better than breakeven at this point in time.

Speaker 2

And there's no additional fixed costs that are coming in beyond what the $57,000,000 run rate that we have right now. So look, we'll have more to say then. And I think just down the road, there will come a time when we're able to grow the balance sheet a little bit more. And at that point in time, I think we'd our expense to asset ratio will also naturally start coming down. We've historically managed the company between $150,000,000 $155,000,000 We're probably closer to $160,000,000 to $165,000,000 right now, but we do see that coming down in the years ahead as if and when balance sheet growth picks up.

Speaker 4

Great.

Speaker 6

And then any small, but any color on the drop in customer service fees this quarter? Was last quarter kind of an unusually strong quarter? Or should we take it as like a blend of the 2?

Speaker 2

Yes. Yes. We just had some rollover fees last quarter on some loans basically that we're repricing. So as I said earlier, we had more multifamily loans this quarter that actually satisfied versus repriced. And so that's where that fits in.

Speaker 2

Last quarter, we had more loans in the Q1 more loans that took the rollover option and that goes in there. So I would say, look, there's a couple of seasonal items here and there that come in and out, but nothing material.

Speaker 6

Got it. I know you guys are usually cautious on this, but any sense of just outside of the amount of fixed maturities and everything happening in the second half of 'twenty five and 'twenty six, but what the impact of each 25 basis point cut would be on the margin?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think it's going to be obviously the first rate cut and the second rate cut, it's going to part of it's going to depend on the competition in terms of what they're doing. That said, I will say our deposit base is more skewed towards commercial customers and we have more money markets than time deposits in our base, so which should lend itself to more in terms of being having more benefit from rate cuts than a lot of our peers, right? If you look at the balance sheet right now around 31% to 32% is variable rate in terms of the loan portfolio. Obviously, 30% of the balance sheet is DDA on the deposit side of the balance sheet.

Speaker 2

And we probably have some deposits that are cost less than 1%. And so it's going to be harder to change the rates on those. But I would say by and large, our goal is really to get the margin back to that 3% plus area, which is going to drive higher returns overall for the company. And 2026. And so how it happens between here and there could be choppy up and down in an individual quarter, but there's definitely going to be a level of benefit from rate cuts.

Speaker 1

Yes. And we do have as Avi said before, we do have $700,000,000 of broker that we'll be able to move those down very quickly in terms of rate cut. Plus we have about $1,800,000,000 of municipals that are also easily moved in terms of a rate cut. So look, we're looking to we're prepared, we've already segregated the portfolio in terms of when a rate cut happens, which buckets are going to move and how much. So I mean we're pretty optimistic.

Speaker 1

We're a little cautious at this point because obviously competition is going to play a bit of a role there as well.

Speaker 6

Got it. And last one for me, just what's a good tax rate going forward?

Speaker 2

Yes, I think around 27%, Chris, we had a couple of discrete items this quarter, so I'd use 20 7% going

Speaker 4

forward. Great. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

There are no more questions in the queue. This does conclude today's Q and A session. And I would now like to turn the call back over to Stuart Lebow for closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Lisa. Thank you all for joining us today. I'd like to thank our dedicated employees and our shareholders for their continued support. And I look forward to speaking with you after the Q3.

Operator

Thank you for joining today's conference call. You may all disconnect.

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