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ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Atomera EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.16Consensus EPS -$0.15Beat/MissMissed by -$0.01One Year Ago EPSN/AAtomera Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$0.07 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/AAtomera Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2024Date7/30/2024TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateTuesday, July 30, 2024Conference Call Time5:00PM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Atomera Q2 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrJuly 30, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Atomera is making “very solid progress” with ST Microelectronics’ Smart Power Division, holding weekly in-person meetings to optimize MST integration and targeting a production release that will generate compelling royalty revenue. The new MS3 RF-SOI substrate developed with Soitec addresses designers’ supply-chain and thin-wafer quality concerns, streamlining adoption of MST in 5G cellular front-end products and speeding customer development timelines. Early results for MST as a relaxing layer in GaN-on-silicon technology have attracted discussions with four potential partners, raising the possibility of near-term development wafer sales and initial revenue this year. In Q2, Atomera narrowed its GAAP net loss to $4.4 million (vs. $5.2 million in Q2 2023), grew revenue to $72 thousand, and now expects full-year non-GAAP operating expenses of $16.25 million–$16.75 million, below prior guidance. To accelerate deal closures, Atomera appointed Sean Thomas as Head of Business Development & Marketing, leveraging his device-technology and materials expertise to convert proposals into licensing agreements more effectively. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallAtomera Q2 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:00:00Hello, everyone, and welcome to Atomera's second quarter fiscal year 2024 update call. I would like to remind everyone that this call and webinar are being recorded, and a replay will be available on Atomera's IR website for one year. I'm Mike Bishop with the company's investor relations. As in prior quarters, we are using Zoom, and we will follow a similar presentation format with participants in a listen-only mode. We will open with prepared remarks from Scott Bibaud, Atomera's President and CEO, and Frank Laurencio, Atomera's CFO. Then we will open the call to questions. If you are joining by telephone, you may follow a slide presentation to accompany our remarks on the Events and Presentations section of our Investor Relations page on our website. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that during today's call, we will make forward-looking statements. Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:00:50These forward-looking statements, whether in prepared remarks or during the Q&A session, are subject to inherent risks and uncertainties. These risks and uncertainties are detailed in the Risk Factors section of our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, specifically in the company's annual report on Form 10-K, filed with the SEC on February 15, 2024. Except as otherwise required by federal securities laws, Atomera disclaims any obligation to update or make revisions to such forward-looking statements contained herein or elsewhere to reflect changes in expectations with regards to those events, conditions, and circumstances. Also, please note that during this call, we will be discussing non-GAAP financial measures as defined by SEC Regulation G. Reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in today's press release, which is posted on our website. Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:01:46Now, I would like to turn the call over to our President and CEO, Scott Bibaud. Go ahead, Scott. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:01:53Good afternoon, and welcome to Atomera's second quarter 2024 update call. The last three months have been a very busy time at Atomera, with extensive customer activity, strong product development results, recruiting of new team members, and our first CHIPS Act funding submission. Today, I'm gonna go a little outside of our usual format to give a comprehensive picture of the company. Given the current stock price, we sense there might be a feeling among investors that our technology, innovative development, and customer activity are somehow stalled. Nothing could be further from the truth. To that end, I'd like to take a look a little deeper into each of the market segments where our primary customers are making significant progress towards JDAs and/or license agreements. First, MST for power chip technology. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:02:46Atomera continues to work very closely with STMicroelectronics on their next-generation smart power products and is making solid progress on a production release, which will result in compelling royalty revenue for Atomera. During this past quarter, we've had excellent cooperation, including in-person team meetings, with the goal of optimizing device performance and developing a high-volume manufacturing process. The timing of this developmental effort is ST's proprietary information, but I can tell you that our teams have a very tight working relationship. We're meeting on a weekly basis and sharing a mutual goal of getting to production as fast as possible. This remains our highest priority. As you know, we are working with ST's Smart Power division, which belongs to their APMS group, which had $1.9 billion in revenue for the second quarter of this year, so the potential of this business is very attractive. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:03:47The power chip segment of the semiconductor market overall was approximately $33 billion in 2023, so the opportunity represented by all our potential power customers is quite significant. Last quarter, I spoke about the large number of proposals Atomera has outstanding, and that number has continued to grow. I will highlight just one of those large and diversified customers who accelerated their work with us as a result of the ST announcement and are tracking towards integration into the next-generation devices. After reviewing the details of our technology, this customer decided to license our MSTcad software and spent several months modeling how MST could improve their transistor performance. Simulations of their actual devices showed even better performance gains than we had claimed, which has led to a proposal for them for running wafers and licensing MST from us, which we hope to do in the coming quarters. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:04:48Next, the SOI market, which is a large and growing segment with sales of $1.4 billion in 2022 and a 15% growth rate going forward. RF SOI makes the majority of SOI revenue today because of strong adoption in 5G cellular front ends, where growing bandwidth requirements make continued innovation to meet market needs particularly challenging. Our announcement this month of a new MST substrate based on Soitec's leading RF SOI technology provided a major step forward, solving a common problem among RF designers, which is detailed in my blog and Hideki's presentation at SEMICON. Putting MST on Soitec's thin RF SOI wafers gives the industry a solution that is easy to adopt and test as they develop next-gen products. Our customers specifically asked us to address this issue and streamline the supply chain, which is what this announcement was about. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:05:51This higher-quality substrate will help speed their development, which is important to both them and to us. Atomera continues to work with the majority of RF SOI wafer consumers, so we are very well-positioned in this market. Memory technology. DRAM remains a very large market segment, approximately $112 billion in 2023, or greater than 20% of the overall semiconductor industry. Atomera is working at various stages of adoption with more than one of the major memory manufacturers. Because of the somewhat commoditized nature of DRAM, these customers are laser focused on cost, which historically has made them late adopters of new materials that could affect yield or increase cost, including via royalties. Once adopted, though, new material technologies have long legs, and wafer volumes are the highest in the industry. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:06:51We're excited about the potential for our technology in this space, 'cause we believe it provides real die size and margin improvement potential for our customers, even after paying us a royalty. The gate-all-around advanced node market is one of the largest by revenue and the smallest by device count, approximately $150 billion in 2023, more than 28% of the overall semiconductor industry. Atomera is working with the major gate-all-around manufacturers on solutions for the leading nodes down to 3 nanometers, but we are also exploring development at the nodes leading from 2 nm down into the angstrom range. The revenue potential for Atomera might be the highest in this market segment because the cost of leading logic chips is higher than other semiconductor products. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:07:47Our MST technology could add significant value to these devices that are at the heart of the AI revolution, driving higher performance, lower power consumption, and better yield. On our website, we have white papers describing exactly how MST provides these benefits. That said, we're not sure when we might be able to announce something specific in the gate-all-around sector, because the development programs are so large and the time frames are so variable. But the interest and work is real, and the upside for us is significant. In each of these segments, we are hopeful we will have JDAs or license agreements to announce in the coming quarters. Now, a quick update on our development in gallium nitride technology. Last quarter, we highlighted MST's ability to act as a relaxing layer, relieving structural challenges posed by compound semiconductors. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:08:44Early results give us great hope that MST can help solve the substrate quality and warp problems endemic to GaN wafers, which has impeded more scaling in the past. It might initially appear that GaN is a departure from our core business, but it is not. MST GaN would be applied in the manufacturing process in the same manner as the other applications we've already covered to improve the yield of a myriad of GaN-related semiconductor products. The power GaN market alone grew by 41% in 2023, and will likely increase at a CAGR of 46% over the next five years, potentially exceeding $2 billion per year by 2028. Interest by potential customers and partners has been surprisingly strong. Indeed, we are already in discussions with four potential customers and partners. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:09:40Because GaN is a material under investigation at most semiconductor companies these days, we see it as adding another dimension to our existing relationships, offering a smooth path to adoption. But it is early days, and our R&D team is still working to turn this into a full product release. We believe with this high level of customer interest, early revenues from MST GaN might be possible in the near term, even possibly later this year. I'll go through other customer activities briefly. We continue working with JDA one to move into a more definitive production program, but have not yet achieved this result. JDA two, however, is in active negotiations with us on a license now that we have results from wafer runs completed in the last quarter. We hope to make this a comprehensive company agreement covering multiple technologies. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:10:40Likewise, we continue to work with our other licensees to include MST in the next generation process nodes, through MSTcad and wafer runs. In the last quarter, we've also started engaging on some new opportunities, including within existing customers. Progress in converting these engagements to licenses on the path to production has not met our expectations. We know that. Our ability to develop technology and to build customer interest has been excellent, but we need to do better at closing deals. Recently, we've taken a hard look at our sales and marketing efforts to try to find ways to improve. As a result of this process, we decided to make changes that start with bringing on a new head of business development and marketing, Shawn Thomas. Shawn has the perfect background to help us take Atomera to the next level. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:11:38Not only does he have a deep background in device technology, materials, and epi, his detailed understanding of the challenges the industry faces and the relationships he brings will help Atomera more successfully convert our compelling technology into revenue-generating business. Before wrapping up, I'd like to highlight one of our new technologies called MST-SPX, targeting 5 V-48 V transistors. On Friday, we released a white paper detailing what we've accomplished, but allow me to give a brief summary. We have found that combining MST with the advanced structures used in high-power transistors allows us to achieve better performance than has been published by any other semiconductor maker, as seen in the chart on slide five, where lower is better. This is pretty amazing stuff. We've also calculated that it makes financial sense for a customer to implement MST at less than a 3% improvement in RSP. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:12:49But what we're seeing, and what we're showing on this chart, show improvements between 15% and 30%, confirming that our technology offers best-in-class performance and compelling economics for next-generation power chips. This is just one of the latest accomplishments from a team that continues to crank out impressive advancements across many different technology segments. At SEMICON West, earlier this month, Dave Thompson, Intel's VP of Process Technology and Research, gave a talk on the solutions the industry will need in the future for evolving transistor architectures. Virtually all the examples he brought up, including source drain resistance, channel mobility, dopant control, gate dielectric issues, and even gallium nitride, were things Atomera is working on. His message was clear: the industry sees increasing technical challenges moving beyond 3 nm, and finding solutions will require a strong cooperative effort by ecosystem partners across the industry. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:13:54This is the type of statement that entirely validates the direction we've been taking at Atomera, and shows the importance and potential of the work we're doing today. For this reason, we are very optimistic about the prospects of our company. Our ST engagement is progressing nicely and should form the base of our revenue starting next year, and each of the other segments I've outlined can grow on top of that base. This past quarter, we also submitted our first of hopefully many proposals under the CHIPS and Science Act. Atomera's potential is being recognized across the industry, and it's only a matter of time before several of these potential opportunities turn into more business prospects for Atomera. We're working very hard to make that happen. Now, Frank will review our financials. Frank LaurencioCFO at Atomera00:14:49Thank you, Scott. At the close of the market today, we issued a press release announcing our results for the second quarter of 2024. This slide shows our summary financials. Our GAAP net loss for the three months ended June 30, 2024, was $4.4 million, or $0.16 per share, compared to a net loss of $5.2 million, or $0.21 per share in the second quarter of 2023. In Q1 of 2024, our GAAP net loss was $4.8 million, which was $0.19 per share. Revenues were $72,000 in Q2 of 2024, compared to $18,000 in Q1, and $0 in Q2 of 2023. Frank LaurencioCFO at Atomera00:15:36GAAP operating expenses were $4.6 million in Q2 of 2024, which was a decrease of approximately $730,000 from $5.4 million of OpEx in Q2 2023, mainly due to a $603,000 decline in R&D expenses, primarily reflecting the closure of our outsourced foundry, TSI Semiconductors, in the first quarter of this year. Sales and marketing expense decreased by $186,000, reflecting lower headcount, while G&A was relatively unchanged. Sequentially, our GAAP operating expenses decreased from Q1 2024 due to the same factors that drove the decline as compared to Q2 of last year. Non-GAAP net loss in Q2 2024 was $3.6 million and compares to a loss of $4.3 million in Q2 2023. Frank LaurencioCFO at Atomera00:16:40As with our GAAP results, the smaller loss was primarily due to lower R&D and sales and marketing expenses. Sequentially, non-GAAP net loss declined by $363,000 from Q1 2024 due to our lower operating expenses, as well as a $52,000 increase in revenue. The differences between GAAP and non-GAAP operating expense in all periods presented are primarily due to non-cash stock compensation expenses, which were approximately $1 million for each of the periods presented here. Our balance of cash, cash equivalents, and short-term investments on June 30, 2024, was $18.3 million, compared to $19.3 million at the end of Q1 2024. During the most recent quarter, we used $3.2 million of cash in operating activities, compared to $4.1 million in the first quarter of this year. Frank LaurencioCFO at Atomera00:17:43During Q2, we sold approximately 669,000 shares under our ATM facility at an average price per share of $3.82, resulting in net proceeds of approximately $2.4 million. As of June 30, we had 27.6 million shares outstanding. Revenue in Q2 was $72,000, and consisted of $50,000 of engineering services revenue from shipment of wafers to a customer in phase III, and the balance from recognizing three months of MSTcad license revenue. For Q3, we expect our total revenue will be approximately $20,000, consisting of MSTcad license revenue. As we've stated previously, the next major revenue milestone under our agreement with ST will be the grant of the distribution license upon completion of their qualification process, which is largely dependent on ST's development schedule, and which we have limited ability to control. Frank LaurencioCFO at Atomera00:18:51Accordingly, I cannot provide guidance on the timing for recognizing this license revenue from ST. Moving to our expense guidance, our operating expenses so far this year came in substantially lower than we had budgeted, due to lower R&D spending on account of the loss of TSI, and lower sales and marketing headcount. So for the full year, we now expect our OpEx to come in lower than my previous guidance. We expect that 2024 non-GAAP operating expense will be in a range of $16.25 million-$16.75 million. In addition to our recent business development hire, we expect to add at least one more headcount this year in sales and marketing to help accelerate closing deals. We also, we're also planning to add engineering headcount to ensure coverage of all our technology areas and to support converting customers to production. Frank LaurencioCFO at Atomera00:19:53With that, I'll turn this call back over to Scott for a few summary remarks before we open the call up to questions. Scott? Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:20:02Thank you, Frank. Atomera continues to make strong progress, and we are confident that we will convert more of our many customer engagements into license and production opportunities in the near future. As I said earlier, ST should form a revenue base for our business, while the other exciting segments discussed today will help us to build a diversified, sustained business around that first deal. Thanks, as always, for your support. Mike, we'll now take questions. Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:20:33Okay, thank you, Scott. If you wish to ask a question, please click the Q&A button at the bottom of the Zoom window, then feel free to type in your question. I will do my best to aggregate the incoming queries and relay them to management. Alternatively, you can click the Raise Hand button, and we may call on you to ask your question live. And right now, our first question comes from Richard Shannon of Craig-Hallum. Richard, if you would unmute and go ahead, you may begin. Richard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum00:21:00Great. Thanks, Scott. Frank, thanks for... And let me ask a few questions here. Let's see here. Maybe just to follow on an important topic for the last year with the announcement of ST here. Your language didn't really say anything about expectations for, you know, relative to your initial commentary about how long this would take. Is it fair to say that that timeframe is still in play here, or no changes as far as you know? Or how would you characterize that, given that you're limited in what you in the verbiage you can tell us, Scott? Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:21:34Yeah, I think that, it's a challenging question to answer, Richard. So, as I said in my prepared remarks, ST owns the schedule for this. They've specifically asked us not to talk about the schedule. So to the extent I say anything about my original estimate, which was an estimate about what I thought a typical company would do, then I'm kind of either saying they're running behind on top or after that. So, what I can say is that we're, you know, all of us are working to push this thing into production as fast as possible, both them and us, and we're working very closely together, and I think progress is going very, very well. Richard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum00:22:17Okay. Well, we'll have to accept that, and hopefully look forward to some more final news at some point in the near future. Thanks for that, Scott. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:22:25Mm-hmm. Richard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum00:22:26Second comment you made here in the prepared remarks is very interesting, related to JDA two, where you said you're in active negotiations after some good testing results. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:22:34Right. Richard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum00:22:34Any more detail that you can offer there? And maybe give us perspective of, you know, other negotiations you've been in the past. You know, I know that they're never short, but any characterization you can suggest of what might be normal for a length of time before getting to a satisfactory result? Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:22:53Yeah. So first of all, I think on the last call, we mentioned that we had gotten some early peek at some data from JDA two, that looked promising. We ended up getting to see the rest of that data, and it did actually come in, and looked very good. And so, yeah, there's interest on both sides to try to move this forward into a license or, and an agreement. And our goal is to really make that a license that enables them to use our technology across any of the technologies that they have in their company. As to the timing of negotiating a contract, it's very hard to say. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:23:34I mean, the challenging thing is, when you're working with very, very large companies, they tend to have a bit of a bureaucratic process of licensing technologies in, with decision-makers in a lot of different places that have to be touched. You know, in the past, we have negotiated some licenses that have gone pretty quickly, in only a matter of a few months, and then we've had others that have taken much longer. I wouldn't say that they take a long time because there's, like, super hard negotiations, and we're at loggerheads and can't reach agreement. It's more usually the case where we submit a proposal, they have to get agreement from a bunch of different groups to negotiate the next step on that. It takes time to organize that. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:24:24Generally, our turnaround on any proposal they make to us is in a day or two, and their turnaround can be much longer. So hard to predict. Richard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum00:24:33... Okay, probably not unexpected, but I'll look forward to updates here on that one soon. So, good to see some progress there. Let's see, our next question is on RF SOI. You made an interesting, press release a few weeks ago about some breakthrough on some very thin wafers. I guess, you know, we've been hearing from you on the, you know, very strong testing results for years in this area. And based on the last call, plus this press release you mentioned here, it seems like this is a pretty major breakthrough in terms of maybe getting to, you know, getting closer and getting, you know, getting closer to a license, for which I know you're working with the majority of the, wafer starts in the industry here. Richard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum00:25:15Is this a fair way to characterize what you think is going on? Is it too early to tell or just any characterization of the potential here, especially from a timing perspective in that space that's been seemingly active for so long? Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:25:28I would say, you know, so the evolution of the solutions that we've had in RFSOI have come some ways over, over the years. In the last, last more than a year, we've known about using much thinner wafers to start putting our MST down on, and we have been thinning those wafers ourselves, or our customers have been thinning those wafers so that we can put MST down. But it's a challenge to thin RFSOI wafers because they're, you know, they're... causes some quality issues on edges of the wafers. And so this announcement that we are working with Soitec to make those very thin wafers is a very important one. It takes the development substrates that we're working with kind of out of the R&D lab and into something that could be a production quality device. Will that help make people move faster? Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:26:27I think it absolutely will. You're asking about whether it'll help them move to licenses. I can tell you that our customers who are saying, "Hey, this is something we're worried about, we want to know whether there'll be a, you know, a production quality substrate for us to work for," and this kind of provides the answer. And so it lowers the barriers for people adopting MST for this exact solution. Richard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum00:26:53Okay, fair enough. Good to hear. Maybe a couple more questions from me. I'm not sure if I heard the language right here when you were discussing on your prepared remarks about gate-all-around and DRAM. I know that you referred specifically to gate-all-around as something that's gonna take some time, which I don't think is a big surprise to anybody. Is the timeframe for DRAM something similar in terms of length of time, or is that something that you could see being shorter and more predictable? Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:27:23Yeah. Not easy to predict right now, but with DRAM, they tend to come out with new nodes every, I think, every 18 months. Very quick, I mean, they have. They constantly have a node ramping up, a node in volume production, and a node ramping down. Because, as I said in my remarks, DRAM is so cost-focused that a small cost advantage makes sense to bring into production. So I do believe that with the DRAM guys, you have a chance to get designed in and get into production faster than some of the other ones, because they're constantly turning, you know, their process nodes. Richard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum00:28:02Okay, well, that makes sense. Very interesting. Maybe I'll follow up on that one a little bit later, an interesting topic there. Two questions from me, one for each of you. Scott, the last one for you is related to GaN here. I think your comment was that you various approaches to enabling that business, but so, you know, at least one of them could generate some revenues before the end of the year. Maybe you can elaborate on exactly what you mean there, and how that would happen. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:28:30Yeah, absolutely. I think it's important to understand where... This is not even a released product from us yet. We, we only got our first results earlier this year, but we, we've gone out and shown our test results to a number of potential partners, and there's a lot of interest. So I think there's a decent chance that we will be able to make wafers for development purposes for our customers, and maybe sell them some of those wafers before the end of this year. So it's not gonna be revenue that's like, you know, significant game-changing revenue for us, but it would be a signal that people are very interested in potentially adopting what we have. Richard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum00:29:09Okay. And are these GaN on silicon or GaN on silicon carbide or GaN on GaN? Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:29:15It's GaN on silicon, and what we're doing is we're putting MST on the silicon, and before they grow the GaN, and when they grow the GaN, and of course, you know, there's a bunch of intermediate layers that they grow before then, that the- Richard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum00:29:28Yeah Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:29:28... the quality of the GaN that ends up on the top is much higher than what they would get without the MST. Richard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum00:29:36Okay, makes sense. Last question from me, and I will jump out of line for, for Frank here. Just quickly on the OpEx, a lower, number here for the year, and I think your reasons make sense here. I guess my question is, with the, with the recent hire you announced, plus some, a couple more that you've, mentioned here today, should we expect to see a run rate, or a total number, for next year, you know, maybe closer to that range you had before? Or how would you, how would you characterize that, those new adds coming in later this year? Frank LaurencioCFO at Atomera00:30:03Yeah, I think that we will see, kind of going into next year, a run rate similar to kind of the guide that we gave at the beginning of the year. So, you know, we had a top end of that guide at around $17.25 million, you know, when we went into the year. And so, yeah, we don't, we don't give a specific guide beyond kind of the current year, but you're right to think about it as kind of, normalizing it with... You know, I think the big variable there still remains the foundry replacement, because absent doing that, you know, the R&D line would still remain below, you know, kind of where it was at the beginning of the year. Frank LaurencioCFO at Atomera00:30:47In the past, our outsourced foundry spend was around, you know, between $1 million and $1.5 million a year. You know, I'm not saying that we're gonna bounce back to that level, but, you know, some of that will come back in when we have a TSI replacement. Richard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum00:31:06Got it. Okay. Makes sense. That's all the questions for, for me, guys. Thank you. Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:31:12Thank you, Richard. And a few questions coming in, on the Q&A line here. And, the first one is about, the CHIPS Act, and, the question, you know, that CHIPS Acts, you know, obviously was announced a while back, and, the question is, why are the proposals for the CHIPS Act, only now being pursued? Frank LaurencioCFO at Atomera00:31:38Yeah, I'll take that one. I was very involved in the submission that we did, just, you know, just last week, actually. So the CHIPS Act money kind of came in waves. First was focused on large-scale manufacturing facilities to bring sort of the supply chain and the manufacturing of chips back on shore. The second was kind of a recognition that even if you did that, you still had a big reliance on overseas package for chip packaging, so packaging was kind of wave two. And now we're seeing a move towards, you know, development of new materials technologies. Frank LaurencioCFO at Atomera00:32:20Specifically, the call for proposals that went out, which was, you know, still just an early kind of call for topics, were ones that expressed an interest in a bunch of compound semiconductor areas relevant to the DoD. And as such, these are things that, you know, would be very relevant to our work on compound semiconductors, and specifically, the gallium silicon that Scott was just talking about. So I think it was the first time that we found a very relevant match. That being said, you know, we expect to see more funding proposals, and we'll be responding to those. Frank LaurencioCFO at Atomera00:33:03And these are things that you do in partnership with others, so you know, going through the process, what you know, we've observed is, as our name gets out, you know, and gets known among some of these agencies, by responding to a relevant proposal, we should see more, you know, even outbound interest towards us. And that's certainly something we're hoping for. Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:33:28Okay. Thanks, Frank. Another question is about the pursuit of deals and the question's: why now to push for, to close deals? Shouldn't there have been urgency all along? Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:33:47Yes. I mean, I think we've always had urgency to close deals. You know, I do think we perhaps thought that we were doing all the right things, and sometimes you have to sit back and say, "All right, we're not doing the right things," and, "What is going wrong?" Also, you know, at some point, regardless if you know exactly what's going wrong, you have to make some changes. And I think, you know, sometimes after you make those changes, it becomes clear to you what had been wrong in the past. I think to a certain extent, we're in that spot. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:34:35I would say right now we have more proposals out than we've ever had in the past, and so now, having the ability to accelerate closing of them will have even a bigger bang for a buck than it did before. But yeah, I'm very, I'm very excited about the capabilities that Shawn is bringing the team. Just in the past week and a half that we've had him on board, it's very clear that he can go and talk to people that and help in ways that our prior team couldn't, and so I'm really optimistic that that's gonna make a big difference. Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:35:15Oh, okay. And, so, another question here is about ST, and, you know, the question is, what are the barriers to ST going to production? And, you know, do they have the design kit, the PDK formalized, and what's involved in qualification? Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:35:44I think in the investor deck, I show the process of going to production at a high level for most semiconductor players, and I don't think ST is significantly different. As you're developing your PDK, you're trying a number of things, usually in simulation software, in our case, in MSTcad. And then you're taking those simulations and you're designing chips that you can put on wafers, and then run them through production, and then test to see if you get good results. And usually, as you're making a PDK, you go through several cycles of learning of that, where you run some and you get good results, you make more tweaks to get better results, and you make more tweaks to make better results. And then finally, you're at the point where you lock down a PDK. And then once you have the PDK... Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:36:37Then the companies will typically go into a process qualification, where now they're really just running wafers to solidify the production process. I mean, remind me of the question, Mike. Was the question is ST following a similar path? Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:36:57The barrier- Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:36:57Yeah. Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:36:57Yeah, the barriers to, you know, basically towards commercialization, if there's- Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:37:01I don't think there's any barriers in here. The only thing is it takes time and effort to do this. Of course, if the company had set a goal of achieving a certain level of improvement before they go to production, that would be a barrier. I think that's one of the big things that MST is doing, it's bringing the ability to our customers to really exceed the level of improvement that they had thought they could achieve, and so we're very confident that that will allow them to move forward. I wouldn't necessarily call it a barrier, but, I guess you could think of it that way. Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:37:37Okay, great. Thank you. And regarding RF SOI, do recent developments with Soitec increase the probability of getting to market while maybe pushing back the timeline? Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:37:53I think they would improve the likelihood that some of our customers would go to market, as I was talking to Richard about before. Our customers would be very pleased to see a quality company like Soitec offering a thinned SOI wafer like this in production that they could deposit MST on top of. And so that's, that's removed one of the concerns they have, and therefore, I think it will speed time to market, but I don't think it pushes any of the time to market out. Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:38:24Okay, and do you have an update on the foundry license that you've previously discussed? Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:38:31I think I said in my prepared remarks that for the foundry, we are continuing to work with them on moving our technology into, to make it adopted by their next generation process node release. Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:38:47Okay. Is there an update on the TSI replacement? Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:38:55Yeah, so for the TSI replacement, we're looking at multiple different companies to do that work, whereas with TSI, we're really concentrated on the process node they had. What we're finding as we go out to the market is that there's a number of different vendors that can provide us with some services, and each of them has a different suite of process nodes that are attractive to us. So it looks like we'll probably be engaged with multiples, and that we're already working with more than one, and we will probably end up working with a basket of companies instead of one main company, like TSI, for our R&D partner. Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:39:33Okay, and, you know, that wraps up the questions, Scott. So if you wanna make your closing comments. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:39:44Sure. Well, thanks, everybody, for joining us to hear the progress being made within Atomera. Please continue to look for our news, articles, and blog posts, which are available, along with investor alerts on our website, atomera.com. Should you have additional questions, please contact Mike Bishop, who'll be happy to follow up. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:00:00Hello, everyone, and welcome to Atomera's second quarter fiscal year 2024 update call. I would like to remind everyone that this call and webinar are being recorded, and a replay will be available on Atomera's IR website for one year. I'm Mike Bishop with the company's investor relations. As in prior quarters, we are using Zoom, and we will follow a similar presentation format with participants in a listen-only mode. We will open with prepared remarks from Scott Bibaud, Atomera's President and CEO, and Frank Laurencio, Atomera's CFO. Then we will open the call to questions. If you are joining by telephone, you may follow a slide presentation to accompany our remarks on the Events and Presentations section of our Investor Relations page on our website. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that during today's call, we will make forward-looking statements. Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:00:50These forward-looking statements, whether in prepared remarks or during the Q&A session, are subject to inherent risks and uncertainties. These risks and uncertainties are detailed in the Risk Factors section of our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, specifically in the company's annual report on Form 10-K, filed with the SEC on February 15, 2024. Except as otherwise required by federal securities laws, Atomera disclaims any obligation to update or make revisions to such forward-looking statements contained herein or elsewhere to reflect changes in expectations with regards to those events, conditions, and circumstances. Also, please note that during this call, we will be discussing non-GAAP financial measures as defined by SEC Regulation G. Reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in today's press release, which is posted on our website. Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:01:46Now, I would like to turn the call over to our President and CEO, Scott Bibaud. Go ahead, Scott. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:01:53Good afternoon, and welcome to Atomera's second quarter 2024 update call. The last three months have been a very busy time at Atomera, with extensive customer activity, strong product development results, recruiting of new team members, and our first CHIPS Act funding submission. Today, I'm gonna go a little outside of our usual format to give a comprehensive picture of the company. Given the current stock price, we sense there might be a feeling among investors that our technology, innovative development, and customer activity are somehow stalled. Nothing could be further from the truth. To that end, I'd like to take a look a little deeper into each of the market segments where our primary customers are making significant progress towards JDAs and/or license agreements. First, MST for power chip technology. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:02:46Atomera continues to work very closely with STMicroelectronics on their next-generation smart power products and is making solid progress on a production release, which will result in compelling royalty revenue for Atomera. During this past quarter, we've had excellent cooperation, including in-person team meetings, with the goal of optimizing device performance and developing a high-volume manufacturing process. The timing of this developmental effort is ST's proprietary information, but I can tell you that our teams have a very tight working relationship. We're meeting on a weekly basis and sharing a mutual goal of getting to production as fast as possible. This remains our highest priority. As you know, we are working with ST's Smart Power division, which belongs to their APMS group, which had $1.9 billion in revenue for the second quarter of this year, so the potential of this business is very attractive. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:03:47The power chip segment of the semiconductor market overall was approximately $33 billion in 2023, so the opportunity represented by all our potential power customers is quite significant. Last quarter, I spoke about the large number of proposals Atomera has outstanding, and that number has continued to grow. I will highlight just one of those large and diversified customers who accelerated their work with us as a result of the ST announcement and are tracking towards integration into the next-generation devices. After reviewing the details of our technology, this customer decided to license our MSTcad software and spent several months modeling how MST could improve their transistor performance. Simulations of their actual devices showed even better performance gains than we had claimed, which has led to a proposal for them for running wafers and licensing MST from us, which we hope to do in the coming quarters. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:04:48Next, the SOI market, which is a large and growing segment with sales of $1.4 billion in 2022 and a 15% growth rate going forward. RF SOI makes the majority of SOI revenue today because of strong adoption in 5G cellular front ends, where growing bandwidth requirements make continued innovation to meet market needs particularly challenging. Our announcement this month of a new MST substrate based on Soitec's leading RF SOI technology provided a major step forward, solving a common problem among RF designers, which is detailed in my blog and Hideki's presentation at SEMICON. Putting MST on Soitec's thin RF SOI wafers gives the industry a solution that is easy to adopt and test as they develop next-gen products. Our customers specifically asked us to address this issue and streamline the supply chain, which is what this announcement was about. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:05:51This higher-quality substrate will help speed their development, which is important to both them and to us. Atomera continues to work with the majority of RF SOI wafer consumers, so we are very well-positioned in this market. Memory technology. DRAM remains a very large market segment, approximately $112 billion in 2023, or greater than 20% of the overall semiconductor industry. Atomera is working at various stages of adoption with more than one of the major memory manufacturers. Because of the somewhat commoditized nature of DRAM, these customers are laser focused on cost, which historically has made them late adopters of new materials that could affect yield or increase cost, including via royalties. Once adopted, though, new material technologies have long legs, and wafer volumes are the highest in the industry. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:06:51We're excited about the potential for our technology in this space, 'cause we believe it provides real die size and margin improvement potential for our customers, even after paying us a royalty. The gate-all-around advanced node market is one of the largest by revenue and the smallest by device count, approximately $150 billion in 2023, more than 28% of the overall semiconductor industry. Atomera is working with the major gate-all-around manufacturers on solutions for the leading nodes down to 3 nanometers, but we are also exploring development at the nodes leading from 2 nm down into the angstrom range. The revenue potential for Atomera might be the highest in this market segment because the cost of leading logic chips is higher than other semiconductor products. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:07:47Our MST technology could add significant value to these devices that are at the heart of the AI revolution, driving higher performance, lower power consumption, and better yield. On our website, we have white papers describing exactly how MST provides these benefits. That said, we're not sure when we might be able to announce something specific in the gate-all-around sector, because the development programs are so large and the time frames are so variable. But the interest and work is real, and the upside for us is significant. In each of these segments, we are hopeful we will have JDAs or license agreements to announce in the coming quarters. Now, a quick update on our development in gallium nitride technology. Last quarter, we highlighted MST's ability to act as a relaxing layer, relieving structural challenges posed by compound semiconductors. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:08:44Early results give us great hope that MST can help solve the substrate quality and warp problems endemic to GaN wafers, which has impeded more scaling in the past. It might initially appear that GaN is a departure from our core business, but it is not. MST GaN would be applied in the manufacturing process in the same manner as the other applications we've already covered to improve the yield of a myriad of GaN-related semiconductor products. The power GaN market alone grew by 41% in 2023, and will likely increase at a CAGR of 46% over the next five years, potentially exceeding $2 billion per year by 2028. Interest by potential customers and partners has been surprisingly strong. Indeed, we are already in discussions with four potential customers and partners. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:09:40Because GaN is a material under investigation at most semiconductor companies these days, we see it as adding another dimension to our existing relationships, offering a smooth path to adoption. But it is early days, and our R&D team is still working to turn this into a full product release. We believe with this high level of customer interest, early revenues from MST GaN might be possible in the near term, even possibly later this year. I'll go through other customer activities briefly. We continue working with JDA one to move into a more definitive production program, but have not yet achieved this result. JDA two, however, is in active negotiations with us on a license now that we have results from wafer runs completed in the last quarter. We hope to make this a comprehensive company agreement covering multiple technologies. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:10:40Likewise, we continue to work with our other licensees to include MST in the next generation process nodes, through MSTcad and wafer runs. In the last quarter, we've also started engaging on some new opportunities, including within existing customers. Progress in converting these engagements to licenses on the path to production has not met our expectations. We know that. Our ability to develop technology and to build customer interest has been excellent, but we need to do better at closing deals. Recently, we've taken a hard look at our sales and marketing efforts to try to find ways to improve. As a result of this process, we decided to make changes that start with bringing on a new head of business development and marketing, Shawn Thomas. Shawn has the perfect background to help us take Atomera to the next level. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:11:38Not only does he have a deep background in device technology, materials, and epi, his detailed understanding of the challenges the industry faces and the relationships he brings will help Atomera more successfully convert our compelling technology into revenue-generating business. Before wrapping up, I'd like to highlight one of our new technologies called MST-SPX, targeting 5 V-48 V transistors. On Friday, we released a white paper detailing what we've accomplished, but allow me to give a brief summary. We have found that combining MST with the advanced structures used in high-power transistors allows us to achieve better performance than has been published by any other semiconductor maker, as seen in the chart on slide five, where lower is better. This is pretty amazing stuff. We've also calculated that it makes financial sense for a customer to implement MST at less than a 3% improvement in RSP. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:12:49But what we're seeing, and what we're showing on this chart, show improvements between 15% and 30%, confirming that our technology offers best-in-class performance and compelling economics for next-generation power chips. This is just one of the latest accomplishments from a team that continues to crank out impressive advancements across many different technology segments. At SEMICON West, earlier this month, Dave Thompson, Intel's VP of Process Technology and Research, gave a talk on the solutions the industry will need in the future for evolving transistor architectures. Virtually all the examples he brought up, including source drain resistance, channel mobility, dopant control, gate dielectric issues, and even gallium nitride, were things Atomera is working on. His message was clear: the industry sees increasing technical challenges moving beyond 3 nm, and finding solutions will require a strong cooperative effort by ecosystem partners across the industry. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:13:54This is the type of statement that entirely validates the direction we've been taking at Atomera, and shows the importance and potential of the work we're doing today. For this reason, we are very optimistic about the prospects of our company. Our ST engagement is progressing nicely and should form the base of our revenue starting next year, and each of the other segments I've outlined can grow on top of that base. This past quarter, we also submitted our first of hopefully many proposals under the CHIPS and Science Act. Atomera's potential is being recognized across the industry, and it's only a matter of time before several of these potential opportunities turn into more business prospects for Atomera. We're working very hard to make that happen. Now, Frank will review our financials. Frank LaurencioCFO at Atomera00:14:49Thank you, Scott. At the close of the market today, we issued a press release announcing our results for the second quarter of 2024. This slide shows our summary financials. Our GAAP net loss for the three months ended June 30, 2024, was $4.4 million, or $0.16 per share, compared to a net loss of $5.2 million, or $0.21 per share in the second quarter of 2023. In Q1 of 2024, our GAAP net loss was $4.8 million, which was $0.19 per share. Revenues were $72,000 in Q2 of 2024, compared to $18,000 in Q1, and $0 in Q2 of 2023. Frank LaurencioCFO at Atomera00:15:36GAAP operating expenses were $4.6 million in Q2 of 2024, which was a decrease of approximately $730,000 from $5.4 million of OpEx in Q2 2023, mainly due to a $603,000 decline in R&D expenses, primarily reflecting the closure of our outsourced foundry, TSI Semiconductors, in the first quarter of this year. Sales and marketing expense decreased by $186,000, reflecting lower headcount, while G&A was relatively unchanged. Sequentially, our GAAP operating expenses decreased from Q1 2024 due to the same factors that drove the decline as compared to Q2 of last year. Non-GAAP net loss in Q2 2024 was $3.6 million and compares to a loss of $4.3 million in Q2 2023. Frank LaurencioCFO at Atomera00:16:40As with our GAAP results, the smaller loss was primarily due to lower R&D and sales and marketing expenses. Sequentially, non-GAAP net loss declined by $363,000 from Q1 2024 due to our lower operating expenses, as well as a $52,000 increase in revenue. The differences between GAAP and non-GAAP operating expense in all periods presented are primarily due to non-cash stock compensation expenses, which were approximately $1 million for each of the periods presented here. Our balance of cash, cash equivalents, and short-term investments on June 30, 2024, was $18.3 million, compared to $19.3 million at the end of Q1 2024. During the most recent quarter, we used $3.2 million of cash in operating activities, compared to $4.1 million in the first quarter of this year. Frank LaurencioCFO at Atomera00:17:43During Q2, we sold approximately 669,000 shares under our ATM facility at an average price per share of $3.82, resulting in net proceeds of approximately $2.4 million. As of June 30, we had 27.6 million shares outstanding. Revenue in Q2 was $72,000, and consisted of $50,000 of engineering services revenue from shipment of wafers to a customer in phase III, and the balance from recognizing three months of MSTcad license revenue. For Q3, we expect our total revenue will be approximately $20,000, consisting of MSTcad license revenue. As we've stated previously, the next major revenue milestone under our agreement with ST will be the grant of the distribution license upon completion of their qualification process, which is largely dependent on ST's development schedule, and which we have limited ability to control. Frank LaurencioCFO at Atomera00:18:51Accordingly, I cannot provide guidance on the timing for recognizing this license revenue from ST. Moving to our expense guidance, our operating expenses so far this year came in substantially lower than we had budgeted, due to lower R&D spending on account of the loss of TSI, and lower sales and marketing headcount. So for the full year, we now expect our OpEx to come in lower than my previous guidance. We expect that 2024 non-GAAP operating expense will be in a range of $16.25 million-$16.75 million. In addition to our recent business development hire, we expect to add at least one more headcount this year in sales and marketing to help accelerate closing deals. We also, we're also planning to add engineering headcount to ensure coverage of all our technology areas and to support converting customers to production. Frank LaurencioCFO at Atomera00:19:53With that, I'll turn this call back over to Scott for a few summary remarks before we open the call up to questions. Scott? Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:20:02Thank you, Frank. Atomera continues to make strong progress, and we are confident that we will convert more of our many customer engagements into license and production opportunities in the near future. As I said earlier, ST should form a revenue base for our business, while the other exciting segments discussed today will help us to build a diversified, sustained business around that first deal. Thanks, as always, for your support. Mike, we'll now take questions. Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:20:33Okay, thank you, Scott. If you wish to ask a question, please click the Q&A button at the bottom of the Zoom window, then feel free to type in your question. I will do my best to aggregate the incoming queries and relay them to management. Alternatively, you can click the Raise Hand button, and we may call on you to ask your question live. And right now, our first question comes from Richard Shannon of Craig-Hallum. Richard, if you would unmute and go ahead, you may begin. Richard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum00:21:00Great. Thanks, Scott. Frank, thanks for... And let me ask a few questions here. Let's see here. Maybe just to follow on an important topic for the last year with the announcement of ST here. Your language didn't really say anything about expectations for, you know, relative to your initial commentary about how long this would take. Is it fair to say that that timeframe is still in play here, or no changes as far as you know? Or how would you characterize that, given that you're limited in what you in the verbiage you can tell us, Scott? Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:21:34Yeah, I think that, it's a challenging question to answer, Richard. So, as I said in my prepared remarks, ST owns the schedule for this. They've specifically asked us not to talk about the schedule. So to the extent I say anything about my original estimate, which was an estimate about what I thought a typical company would do, then I'm kind of either saying they're running behind on top or after that. So, what I can say is that we're, you know, all of us are working to push this thing into production as fast as possible, both them and us, and we're working very closely together, and I think progress is going very, very well. Richard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum00:22:17Okay. Well, we'll have to accept that, and hopefully look forward to some more final news at some point in the near future. Thanks for that, Scott. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:22:25Mm-hmm. Richard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum00:22:26Second comment you made here in the prepared remarks is very interesting, related to JDA two, where you said you're in active negotiations after some good testing results. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:22:34Right. Richard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum00:22:34Any more detail that you can offer there? And maybe give us perspective of, you know, other negotiations you've been in the past. You know, I know that they're never short, but any characterization you can suggest of what might be normal for a length of time before getting to a satisfactory result? Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:22:53Yeah. So first of all, I think on the last call, we mentioned that we had gotten some early peek at some data from JDA two, that looked promising. We ended up getting to see the rest of that data, and it did actually come in, and looked very good. And so, yeah, there's interest on both sides to try to move this forward into a license or, and an agreement. And our goal is to really make that a license that enables them to use our technology across any of the technologies that they have in their company. As to the timing of negotiating a contract, it's very hard to say. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:23:34I mean, the challenging thing is, when you're working with very, very large companies, they tend to have a bit of a bureaucratic process of licensing technologies in, with decision-makers in a lot of different places that have to be touched. You know, in the past, we have negotiated some licenses that have gone pretty quickly, in only a matter of a few months, and then we've had others that have taken much longer. I wouldn't say that they take a long time because there's, like, super hard negotiations, and we're at loggerheads and can't reach agreement. It's more usually the case where we submit a proposal, they have to get agreement from a bunch of different groups to negotiate the next step on that. It takes time to organize that. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:24:24Generally, our turnaround on any proposal they make to us is in a day or two, and their turnaround can be much longer. So hard to predict. Richard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum00:24:33... Okay, probably not unexpected, but I'll look forward to updates here on that one soon. So, good to see some progress there. Let's see, our next question is on RF SOI. You made an interesting, press release a few weeks ago about some breakthrough on some very thin wafers. I guess, you know, we've been hearing from you on the, you know, very strong testing results for years in this area. And based on the last call, plus this press release you mentioned here, it seems like this is a pretty major breakthrough in terms of maybe getting to, you know, getting closer and getting, you know, getting closer to a license, for which I know you're working with the majority of the, wafer starts in the industry here. Richard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum00:25:15Is this a fair way to characterize what you think is going on? Is it too early to tell or just any characterization of the potential here, especially from a timing perspective in that space that's been seemingly active for so long? Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:25:28I would say, you know, so the evolution of the solutions that we've had in RFSOI have come some ways over, over the years. In the last, last more than a year, we've known about using much thinner wafers to start putting our MST down on, and we have been thinning those wafers ourselves, or our customers have been thinning those wafers so that we can put MST down. But it's a challenge to thin RFSOI wafers because they're, you know, they're... causes some quality issues on edges of the wafers. And so this announcement that we are working with Soitec to make those very thin wafers is a very important one. It takes the development substrates that we're working with kind of out of the R&D lab and into something that could be a production quality device. Will that help make people move faster? Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:26:27I think it absolutely will. You're asking about whether it'll help them move to licenses. I can tell you that our customers who are saying, "Hey, this is something we're worried about, we want to know whether there'll be a, you know, a production quality substrate for us to work for," and this kind of provides the answer. And so it lowers the barriers for people adopting MST for this exact solution. Richard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum00:26:53Okay, fair enough. Good to hear. Maybe a couple more questions from me. I'm not sure if I heard the language right here when you were discussing on your prepared remarks about gate-all-around and DRAM. I know that you referred specifically to gate-all-around as something that's gonna take some time, which I don't think is a big surprise to anybody. Is the timeframe for DRAM something similar in terms of length of time, or is that something that you could see being shorter and more predictable? Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:27:23Yeah. Not easy to predict right now, but with DRAM, they tend to come out with new nodes every, I think, every 18 months. Very quick, I mean, they have. They constantly have a node ramping up, a node in volume production, and a node ramping down. Because, as I said in my remarks, DRAM is so cost-focused that a small cost advantage makes sense to bring into production. So I do believe that with the DRAM guys, you have a chance to get designed in and get into production faster than some of the other ones, because they're constantly turning, you know, their process nodes. Richard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum00:28:02Okay, well, that makes sense. Very interesting. Maybe I'll follow up on that one a little bit later, an interesting topic there. Two questions from me, one for each of you. Scott, the last one for you is related to GaN here. I think your comment was that you various approaches to enabling that business, but so, you know, at least one of them could generate some revenues before the end of the year. Maybe you can elaborate on exactly what you mean there, and how that would happen. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:28:30Yeah, absolutely. I think it's important to understand where... This is not even a released product from us yet. We, we only got our first results earlier this year, but we, we've gone out and shown our test results to a number of potential partners, and there's a lot of interest. So I think there's a decent chance that we will be able to make wafers for development purposes for our customers, and maybe sell them some of those wafers before the end of this year. So it's not gonna be revenue that's like, you know, significant game-changing revenue for us, but it would be a signal that people are very interested in potentially adopting what we have. Richard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum00:29:09Okay. And are these GaN on silicon or GaN on silicon carbide or GaN on GaN? Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:29:15It's GaN on silicon, and what we're doing is we're putting MST on the silicon, and before they grow the GaN, and when they grow the GaN, and of course, you know, there's a bunch of intermediate layers that they grow before then, that the- Richard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum00:29:28Yeah Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:29:28... the quality of the GaN that ends up on the top is much higher than what they would get without the MST. Richard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum00:29:36Okay, makes sense. Last question from me, and I will jump out of line for, for Frank here. Just quickly on the OpEx, a lower, number here for the year, and I think your reasons make sense here. I guess my question is, with the, with the recent hire you announced, plus some, a couple more that you've, mentioned here today, should we expect to see a run rate, or a total number, for next year, you know, maybe closer to that range you had before? Or how would you, how would you characterize that, those new adds coming in later this year? Frank LaurencioCFO at Atomera00:30:03Yeah, I think that we will see, kind of going into next year, a run rate similar to kind of the guide that we gave at the beginning of the year. So, you know, we had a top end of that guide at around $17.25 million, you know, when we went into the year. And so, yeah, we don't, we don't give a specific guide beyond kind of the current year, but you're right to think about it as kind of, normalizing it with... You know, I think the big variable there still remains the foundry replacement, because absent doing that, you know, the R&D line would still remain below, you know, kind of where it was at the beginning of the year. Frank LaurencioCFO at Atomera00:30:47In the past, our outsourced foundry spend was around, you know, between $1 million and $1.5 million a year. You know, I'm not saying that we're gonna bounce back to that level, but, you know, some of that will come back in when we have a TSI replacement. Richard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum00:31:06Got it. Okay. Makes sense. That's all the questions for, for me, guys. Thank you. Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:31:12Thank you, Richard. And a few questions coming in, on the Q&A line here. And, the first one is about, the CHIPS Act, and, the question, you know, that CHIPS Acts, you know, obviously was announced a while back, and, the question is, why are the proposals for the CHIPS Act, only now being pursued? Frank LaurencioCFO at Atomera00:31:38Yeah, I'll take that one. I was very involved in the submission that we did, just, you know, just last week, actually. So the CHIPS Act money kind of came in waves. First was focused on large-scale manufacturing facilities to bring sort of the supply chain and the manufacturing of chips back on shore. The second was kind of a recognition that even if you did that, you still had a big reliance on overseas package for chip packaging, so packaging was kind of wave two. And now we're seeing a move towards, you know, development of new materials technologies. Frank LaurencioCFO at Atomera00:32:20Specifically, the call for proposals that went out, which was, you know, still just an early kind of call for topics, were ones that expressed an interest in a bunch of compound semiconductor areas relevant to the DoD. And as such, these are things that, you know, would be very relevant to our work on compound semiconductors, and specifically, the gallium silicon that Scott was just talking about. So I think it was the first time that we found a very relevant match. That being said, you know, we expect to see more funding proposals, and we'll be responding to those. Frank LaurencioCFO at Atomera00:33:03And these are things that you do in partnership with others, so you know, going through the process, what you know, we've observed is, as our name gets out, you know, and gets known among some of these agencies, by responding to a relevant proposal, we should see more, you know, even outbound interest towards us. And that's certainly something we're hoping for. Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:33:28Okay. Thanks, Frank. Another question is about the pursuit of deals and the question's: why now to push for, to close deals? Shouldn't there have been urgency all along? Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:33:47Yes. I mean, I think we've always had urgency to close deals. You know, I do think we perhaps thought that we were doing all the right things, and sometimes you have to sit back and say, "All right, we're not doing the right things," and, "What is going wrong?" Also, you know, at some point, regardless if you know exactly what's going wrong, you have to make some changes. And I think, you know, sometimes after you make those changes, it becomes clear to you what had been wrong in the past. I think to a certain extent, we're in that spot. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:34:35I would say right now we have more proposals out than we've ever had in the past, and so now, having the ability to accelerate closing of them will have even a bigger bang for a buck than it did before. But yeah, I'm very, I'm very excited about the capabilities that Shawn is bringing the team. Just in the past week and a half that we've had him on board, it's very clear that he can go and talk to people that and help in ways that our prior team couldn't, and so I'm really optimistic that that's gonna make a big difference. Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:35:15Oh, okay. And, so, another question here is about ST, and, you know, the question is, what are the barriers to ST going to production? And, you know, do they have the design kit, the PDK formalized, and what's involved in qualification? Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:35:44I think in the investor deck, I show the process of going to production at a high level for most semiconductor players, and I don't think ST is significantly different. As you're developing your PDK, you're trying a number of things, usually in simulation software, in our case, in MSTcad. And then you're taking those simulations and you're designing chips that you can put on wafers, and then run them through production, and then test to see if you get good results. And usually, as you're making a PDK, you go through several cycles of learning of that, where you run some and you get good results, you make more tweaks to get better results, and you make more tweaks to make better results. And then finally, you're at the point where you lock down a PDK. And then once you have the PDK... Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:36:37Then the companies will typically go into a process qualification, where now they're really just running wafers to solidify the production process. I mean, remind me of the question, Mike. Was the question is ST following a similar path? Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:36:57The barrier- Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:36:57Yeah. Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:36:57Yeah, the barriers to, you know, basically towards commercialization, if there's- Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:37:01I don't think there's any barriers in here. The only thing is it takes time and effort to do this. Of course, if the company had set a goal of achieving a certain level of improvement before they go to production, that would be a barrier. I think that's one of the big things that MST is doing, it's bringing the ability to our customers to really exceed the level of improvement that they had thought they could achieve, and so we're very confident that that will allow them to move forward. I wouldn't necessarily call it a barrier, but, I guess you could think of it that way. Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:37:37Okay, great. Thank you. And regarding RF SOI, do recent developments with Soitec increase the probability of getting to market while maybe pushing back the timeline? Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:37:53I think they would improve the likelihood that some of our customers would go to market, as I was talking to Richard about before. Our customers would be very pleased to see a quality company like Soitec offering a thinned SOI wafer like this in production that they could deposit MST on top of. And so that's, that's removed one of the concerns they have, and therefore, I think it will speed time to market, but I don't think it pushes any of the time to market out. Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:38:24Okay, and do you have an update on the foundry license that you've previously discussed? Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:38:31I think I said in my prepared remarks that for the foundry, we are continuing to work with them on moving our technology into, to make it adopted by their next generation process node release. Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:38:47Okay. Is there an update on the TSI replacement? Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:38:55Yeah, so for the TSI replacement, we're looking at multiple different companies to do that work, whereas with TSI, we're really concentrated on the process node they had. What we're finding as we go out to the market is that there's a number of different vendors that can provide us with some services, and each of them has a different suite of process nodes that are attractive to us. So it looks like we'll probably be engaged with multiples, and that we're already working with more than one, and we will probably end up working with a basket of companies instead of one main company, like TSI, for our R&D partner. Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:39:33Okay, and, you know, that wraps up the questions, Scott. So if you wanna make your closing comments. Scott BibaudCEO at Atomera00:39:44Sure. Well, thanks, everybody, for joining us to hear the progress being made within Atomera. Please continue to look for our news, articles, and blog posts, which are available, along with investor alerts on our website, atomera.com. Should you have additional questions, please contact Mike Bishop, who'll be happy to follow up. Thank you again for your support, and we look forward to our next update call. Mike BishopHead of Investor Relations at Atomera00:40:06Thank you. This concludes the Atomera second quarter 2024 conference call.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesFrank LaurencioCFOMike BishopHead of Investor RelationsScott BibaudCEOAnalystsRichard ShannonSenior Research Analyst at Craig-HallumPowered by