Timbercreek Financial Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session for the analysts. Analysts are asked to raise their hand to register for a question. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Blair Tamblyn. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for joining us to discuss the Q2 financial results. I'm joined as usual by Scott Rowland, CIO Tracy Johnson, CFO and Geoff McDade, Head of Canadian Originations and Global Syndications. The overall portfolio performed well in the Q2.

Speaker 1

We reported improved sequential results and demonstrated our ability to generate consistent healthy cash flows and dividends with a conservative payout ratio, but we navigate a transition period in the commercial real estate markets. Building on strong Q1 origination activity, we continue to have success redeploying capital into high quality loans as we expand the portfolio back to historical levels. We ended the quarter over $1,000,000,000 and as you will hear from the team today, recent Bank of Canada rate cuts create improving market conditions for Timber Creek. As we look out to the second half of twenty twenty four, we are well positioned to shift back to growth mode and deploy capital to expand the portfolio. With this backdrop, we reported healthy financial results in Q2, including net investment income of 26,400,000 net income of $15,400,000 and we generated distributable income of $0.20 per share with a healthy payout ratio of 88%.

Speaker 1

Our book value per share was modestly higher year over year even after we issued a special dividend in Q1. At $8.42 per share, our current book value is roughly 15% above the weighted average trading price in Q2. Lastly, our team continues to focus on resolving the remaining stage loans through highly active asset management efforts. We're making good progress on these select situations and remain confident both in the underlying value of the assets and our ability to navigate these situations to ensure the best outcomes for our shareholders. Scott will walk through these situations in his portfolio review.

Speaker 1

Scott?

Speaker 2

Thanks Blair and good afternoon. I'll comment on the portfolio metrics and the progress with Stage 2 and Stage 3 loans and then I'll ask Jeff to comment on the originations activity and overall lending environment. Looking at the portfolio KPIs, most were stable relative to recent periods and consistent with historical averages. At quarter end, 83.4 percent of our investments were in cash flowing properties. Multi residential real estate assets of apartment buildings continue to comprise the largest portion of the portfolio at roughly 52%.

Speaker 2

Portfolio remains conservatively invested. First mortgages represented 85.6 percent of the portfolio. This is typically above 90% and we expect this percentage to trend upward in the coming quarters. Our weighted average LTV for Q2 is down to 62.3% as new loans were funded at lower LTVs while loans with higher LTV were repaid. Portfolio's weighted average interest rate or where was 9.8%, down slightly from 9.9% in Q1 and flat with Q2 last year.

Speaker 2

Our Q2 exit wear was 9.5%, down from 9.9% exiting Q1 and reflects the June interest rate cut. Lastly, floating rate loans represented 87% of the portfolio at quarter end. In terms of the asset allocation, the mix between provinces was largely unchanged from Q1. Recall, we had a more significant shift from year end due to the Quebec City repayment in Q1 and strong deployment in Ontario. We're comfortable with the current Ontario and Quebec diversification and continue to look for new opportunities to deploy capital in Quebec.

Speaker 2

As Blair mentioned, we continue to pursue resolution and recovery on the Stage 2 and Stage 3 loans through our asset management efforts. Asset management is a bespoke process and we spend considerable time developing plans and weighing our options to ensure the best result for Timber Creek shareholders. There is fulsome disclosure in our MD and A, so I will comment on the main developments in the period. In Stage 2, the previously reported Calgary and Vancouver loans are stable. No material updates at this time.

Speaker 2

In Calgary, we have seen some positive leasing activity on the assets. 3 new exposures have entered Stage 2 this quarter, and I will provide some color here. We have $40,000,000 on 2 loans related to a GTA industrial construction project. The borrower and their general contractor are looking to end their relationship due to cost overruns on a development that is actually unrelated to the Timber Creek loans. However, these issues have overflowed to affect our loan as the borrower stopped making interest payments beginning June 1.

Speaker 2

We are actively engaged with the borrower and resolution here may come as our contractor issues are figured out or alternatively, we understand that potential sale may be a near term outcome. The strategy on this exposure is evolving, so we will provide more details in our next update. We are hopeful this will be resolved relatively quickly. The other main addition to Stage 2 is a $12,000,000 loan on a residential development site in downtown Toronto. This is a very well located site that the borrower has listed for sale and requested to accrue interest until the sale is finalized.

Speaker 2

The loan is in stage 2 given we have accrued June July payments, but we have signed a forbearance agreement with the borrower to allow an existing sales process to proceed as we believe it is the most efficient path to repayment. We are expecting firm bids in late Q3 and full repayment of this loan thereafter. On the Stage 3 front, we are pleased to report that the Quebec multifamily development loan has been fully resolved and has returned to Stage 1. The asset is nearing completion and a CMHC takeout is expected before the end of the year. This brought total Stage 3 assets down to just over 24,000,000 at quarter end.

Speaker 2

In summary, while there is more work to be done, we are happy with the progress of the Stage loans and remain confident these files will be resolved in due course. The team is focused on successful outcomes and is very experienced in handling the situations as they come along. At this point, I'll ask Jeff to comment on the transaction activity in the portfolio. Jeff?

Speaker 3

Thanks, Scott. It was a solid quarter for new investments and it's been a good first half of the year as we've been successful in redeploying capital and building back the portfolio following 2 quarters of higher repayments. In Q2, we advanced nearly $137,000,000 in new mortgage investments and advances on existing mortgages, including 13 new loans in the period, which were largely centered around lower LTV multifamily investments. Total mortgage portfolio repayments in the quarter were $111,500,000 resulting in a turnover ratio of 11.6%, a return to normal levels as you will see in this chart. The net result is we grew the portfolio by about $27,000,000 over Q1.

Speaker 3

Importantly, the positive macro backdrop created by the recent Bank of Canada rate cuts is further enhancing the deal pipeline going forward. While valuations of assets purchased pre COVID in certain segments such as office will continue to be challenged, we believe transaction activity will rebound in the second half of this year and provide improved optionality for borrowers to either sell or refinance their assets. We are well positioned to continue to deploy capital in this environment which will result in the portfolio continuing to grow through the balance of the year. We continue to believe that 2024 2025 will be excellent investing vintages as the market has reset from previous valuation highs. To better illustrate the types of opportunities we're seeing and the segment of the market we serve exceptionally well, we've highlighted a recent transaction.

Speaker 3

This is a first mortgage commitment of 43,000,000 dollars secured by 95 multifamily units, spending 5 buildings located in Midtown Toronto within an established and affluent neighborhood. The borrowers acquired the portfolio in 2020 and we will continue to monitor considerably to update all the exteriors and landscaping. Our loan refinanced the prior existing debt and will provide some additional capital to advance the remaining portions of the borrowers repositioning program. This fits squarely in our core multifamily category and has attributes that align with our typical transaction. This is a 3 year loan with an attractive LTV.

Speaker 3

These are urban well located multifamily assets that will command substantial demand and liquidity. And the loan is supported by a sponsor with a successful track record with previous projects, several of which were funded by Timber Creek. Relative to other lenders, we win transactions like this because of our ability to execute on committed terms and timelines in addition to providing working capital to drive further value accretion. Our going in loan basis is comfortable relative to current value and is further supported by the strong underlying fundamentals of collateral security and is poised to delever through the investment period based on successful execution by an experienced operator and existing borrower relationship. I will now pass the call over to Tracy to review the financial highlights.

Speaker 3

Tracy?

Speaker 4

Thanks, Jeff, and good afternoon, everyone. As Blair mentioned, it was a solid quarter across our key metrics. Similar to Q1, the year over year income comparisons were impacted by a lower average portfolio balance from the higher repayments we experienced at the end of 2023. For context, the average net mortgage investment portfolio balance for this quarter was $960,000,000 about 19% lower than 1 point $2,000,000,000 in Q2 of last year, which is a more typical or targeted level for us. Q2 net investment income on financial assets measured amortized cost was $26,400,000 down from $31,500,000 in the prior year.

Speaker 4

Q2 net income was $15,400,000 compared to $16,900,000 in Q2 last year. In Q2 basic and diluted earnings per share were 0 point $9 facility also declined meaningfully due to the lower credit utilization, allowing us to maintain net income margins. Interest expense in the quarter was $5,400,000 versus $7,000,000 in the same period last year. We reported quarterly distributable income of $16,300,000 or $0.20 per share versus $0.21 in last year's Q2. The Q2 payout ratio on DI was very healthy at 88%, reinforcing our ability to generate healthy cash flows and dividends.

Speaker 4

And we declared regular dividends of $14,300,000 or $0.17 per share, representing a 93% EPS payout ratio. Looking quickly at the balance sheet. The net value of the mortgage portfolio excluding syndications was $1,300,000 at the end of the quarter, an increase of about $57,000,000 from the end of 2023. At quarter end, we had $92,800,000 of net real estate, including real estate held for sales net of collateral of $62,200,000 which is the 3 senior living facilities acquired in August 2023. Note that these were previously classified as real estate properties inventory.

Speaker 4

This adjustment changed the presentation on the consolidated statements of financial position, but otherwise had no impact to the financial statements. The balance on the credit facility for mortgage investments was $307,000,000 at the end of Q2, up from $260,000,000 at the end of 2020 3. Lastly, on the capital front, we repaid the June 2017 debentures in Q2 with the proceeds of a new issuance of debentures for total gross proceeds of $46,000,000 and a coupon of 7.5%. Additionally, we completed the renewal of our NCIB where we can repurchase shares when accretive opportunities exist. In short, we have ample room to deploy capital accretively as activity in the commercial real estate market accelerates.

Speaker 4

I will now turn the call back to Scott for closing comments.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Tracy. As you're hearing from us today, we're feeling increasingly positive on the balance of the year. The 2 rate cuts and more expected, the stages being set for recovery in the real estate sector, increased transaction activity and more optionality for borrowers to repay loans. We were able to deploy a substantial amount of capital in new investments during the first half of twenty twenty four, growing the average net mortgage portfolio balance by close to $100,000,000 from the low in early Q1. And as Blair highlighted, the market conditions support meaningful growth in the second half of the year.

Speaker 2

At the same time, we will continue with our active management of the stage loans as we drive toward resolution of these files over the coming quarters. That completes our prepared remarks. With that, we will open the call to questions.

Operator

The first question will be from Jamie. Jamie, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Yes, thanks. Can you hear me okay?

Speaker 2

Hey, Jamie.

Speaker 5

All right. So, first question, just on the deal pipeline and the optimism that you're expressing in both the press release and in your prepared remarks today. Can you describe some of the deals that are starting to flow through into that pipeline? Is it primarily multifamily? Or are you getting diversified, maybe some geographic commentary?

Speaker 5

And then how is that building for the second half compared to the first two quarters here?

Speaker 3

Yes. Hi, Jamie, it's Jeff. I'm happy to provide some commentary on that. I mean, I think, again, in general, it's pretty broad based and diversified from a geographic standpoint. I think we're seeing good flow from our sort of our 3 core originations locations in Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver.

Speaker 3

So we're seeing good balance of opportunity across West, Central and East, which will keep kind of the existing diversification, I think appropriately diversified and maintained. The activity, again, sort of early activity is, call it, dollars 500,000,000 of opportunities in the deal identified pipeline, which are sort of that earlier phase. And again, we'll translate into or advance into more tangible real investment opportunities as we move further into the year as well as significant deals that are LOI signed or commitment signed, which would be near term executions. Again, we're seeing good predominance in the in the interim multi res exposure. But in addition to that, we are seeing good opportunities in the industrial space as well.

Speaker 3

We're seeing some interesting and well leased retail opportunities with some potential upside to grow or to expand footprints and grow that side of the book. We're seeing a little bit of land, a little bit of construction. And again, it's pretty well diversified across asset class in addition to geographies. So we're feeling really good about the sort of the deals that we've signed up and the potential deals that will be signed up in the near term.

Speaker 2

I'll just ask that for a second, Jamie. I'll just ask from an overall market sentiment perspective. As we talk to some of the larger equity holders, some of the owners of real estate, what we start hearing and we're starting to hear some early signaling about as rate cut cycle starts is some of those larger portfolio players coming back to the market and looking to tie up properties before rate cuts continue to go in earnest and the value start to creep up. So we're sort of anticipating based on just some signals in the market, a more transaction heavy fall, a more return to normal after kind of a year, year and a half of sort of buyers and sellers not quite agreeing on price. I think that will help drive our pipeline as well.

Speaker 5

Okay. And just looking to put some context around that pipeline, Jeff, you mentioned like $500,000,000 in the initial phase like what would that number have been in let's say like 2019, 2020 maybe not 2020 as a good example, but just more normal years let's say?

Speaker 3

Yes, I'd say it's I mean, it's close. It's not quite the transaction velocity that we saw back in 2019 for sure. Again I think the profile here is preferable in terms of the it's lower leverage than it would have been at that point in time and lower leverage on a more of a reset valuation at this point. So I think there's still room to grow that opportunity set as we get back to normal. Again further to Scott's point it still is predominantly refinancings as opposed to a preponderance of transactional financings, acquisition financings.

Speaker 3

And that's where we expect to see some additional growth.

Speaker 2

Okay, great. And

Speaker 5

following on this question, in terms of the pricing, I guess the impact on the yield earned in interest income, obviously a couple of Bank of Canada rate cuts is going to weigh on that weighted average interest rate that's earned. So first, I guess, that kind of correct to think about that flowing through in Q3 and before. And then second, when you're looking at this pipeline, like what are you seeing from a pricing environment? Is it staying elevated or are you starting to see that pricing environment move lower with the rates and perhaps with competition?

Speaker 1

I can take a stab at that. When we

Speaker 2

come to pricing, I mean it's funny, so we have our the margin and there's the obviously the underlying prime rate and we get to our mortgage coupon. One of the dynamics that we saw as interest rates were increasing and properties there's really only so much they compare, right? So you actually see pressure on margin, that net margin as the market kept going up. So actually as coupon comes down, our wear will fall, but our debt are leveraged also falls. But what happens is you get as coupon start to shrink, there's actually get a little bit of an expansion of margin, which is helpful, and helpfully to DI.

Speaker 2

So it's a little bit of both. So those relief goes to the borrower, but there's also a little bit of margin expansion that continues to go down. So I think what we have is a market where as pricing falls, there's a little bit more margin to the lender that comes back. But in general and then outside of that, just on a coupon front, I do think what you're seeing is there's still some tighter margins in the multifamily space as there's such a sort of off trade to office class like office, you're seeing some flight to safety from lenders into sort of multifamily and industrial. So that's heightened margins really about 2 to 3 years ago.

Speaker 2

And that we're still seeing that in the market, which is well reflected in our portfolio. But I think as we move forward into this new cycle, I think you see coupons coming down a bit. I think you see some room for some margin expansion. And I think there's still continued to be competitive for multifamily loans. But for us, that's well within the barbell of what we're looking for in our portfolio.

Speaker 2

So, stable from that perspective, but it's definitely a dynamic market, pricing market.

Speaker 5

Okay. That's interesting on the margin expansion or it was modest expansion early on. I would have thought that might come more towards the back end of a rate decreasing cycle as like loans with floors are hit, but your credit facility continues to drop through. I guess we're probably still a little ways away from that.

Speaker 2

That's right, Jamie, by the way. Yes. And your observation is correct, right? It's not day 1 for sure. It's just as we continue to go.

Speaker 2

If we're down middle of next year, we're down another 50, 75 basis points. That's when you'll start seeing that expansion. It's not with the first cut as

Speaker 5

your point. Okay. Got it. Okay. That's good for me.

Speaker 2

I'll turn it over.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Jim.

Operator

The next question will go to Rafiq. Rafiq, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thank you. Can you guys hear me okay?

Speaker 4

Yes.

Speaker 6

Okay. Awesome. So I wanted to focus on the credit side of the business for my questions. I guess first at a high level, could you remind us what would cause a loan to go from Stage 2 to Stage 3? Is it simply being in rears for over 90 days?

Speaker 6

Or are there some other factors over here?

Speaker 4

Hi, Steve, it's Tracy. Generally, that's a factor. Arrears over 90 days typically pumps it to Stage 3.

Speaker 6

Okay, fair. And then more specifically on the individual loans, the Edmonton Condor portfolio, it was good to see being sold down. I think your commentary mentioned you have around GBP 4,000,000 of PCLs associated with the remaining balance. If and when you're able to discharge of the entire portfolio, could we expect to see some of those provisions flow back into the income statement? Or do you expect the majority of these to be eaten up by write offs or credit losses?

Speaker 4

I don't think it's unreasonable to see some release of the provision. I think it's a little too early to say just as we get down to the final units whether or not all of it would come back in. But we'll likely see some recovery of that.

Speaker 2

Yes. We're pretty much from our perspective, from my perspective holding it to what a net is today. So I think if we get a recovery out of it, that's a really good news story. I think we feel comfortable with what we are current exposure is.

Speaker 6

Okay. That makes sense. And then the medical office building in Ottawa. So correct me if my timeline is off here, but this asset went to Stage 2 around the summer of 2022 and then went to Stage 3 shortly thereafter. I guess, my little question is, what's the timeline here for resolution?

Speaker 6

Or why has it taken so long to resolve till now?

Speaker 2

Yes. So this particular asset, we've been undergoing a re leasing plan. So this is a medical office property. We've just been that's exactly one of the files that we're actively working on at the moment is how exactly we want to resolve it. To continue to release the asset, that takes time and money and gets to an outcome.

Speaker 2

We're also exploring just a potential sale, an outright sale with some entitlement work. It's a good site actually and there is some excess density on the site. So we're actively engaged with the city there to sort of come with sort of some early entitlement work. And likely, we think that, that is a good exit for this asset. And potentially, we'll be coming to market with it towards the end of the year.

Speaker 6

Okay.

Speaker 2

So It's been dragging a bit, but it's again, I'm just trying to find what is that best outcome for us. So we think this position might make more sense.

Speaker 6

Okay. So would it be fair to expect an exit or some resolution by 2025 if we are targeting to bring it to market by the end of this year?

Speaker 2

For sure. To me, it's sort of a Q1 'twenty five maybe.

Speaker 6

Okay. That's good to hear. And just my last question. So the overall portfolio mix between cash flowing properties, so it used to be in the high 80s, even like low 90s in a few quarters. I'm not.

Speaker 6

I think it's 83% or so. Just wanted to confirm, is this intentional or is this just a blip during this period?

Speaker 2

Yes. No, that's a really good question. And we addressed it, I want to say, a couple of quarters ago now. One of the things we did and one of the things that we saw through this cycle through the later part of the cycle is the traditional I mean the ballpark portfolio is the multifamily income producing properties. Multifamily income producing properties though trade at a pretty low cap rate.

Speaker 2

So as interest rates were hitting 9%, 10%, That puts pressure, right, on those borrowers. Do they want to pay that rate considering the income that the property is actually generating? So an alternative approach for refinancing, if you're the owner, is you could sit there and say, hey, so I'll just inject more equity into this property. I'll take a more traditional bank loan, cheaper rate. They have to inject the equity to do that.

Speaker 2

As that happened, right, so you're seeing sort of fewer opportunities than say going back to sort of that pre rate hike cycle in the multifamily space. What we also were seeing is there was a pretty big reset in the land market. Land and construction loans became more difficult to obtain sort of post COVID in a rising rate environment. And so for us, where we've always done some land, but maybe that was 5% of our portfolio, 7% of our portfolio, We made a conscious decision that, hey, listen, these were sort of on sale from both a risk and a pricing perspective. So we're getting more yield at a much lower LTV, and we've made some conscious decisions to invest in some of those land assets.

Speaker 2

A little more construction, a little land, which are both non income producing. There's also a condo inventory loan or 2 we did in the past 6 months as an example, which is again very, very low LTVs, much lower than we would have seen sort of pre the rate hike cycle and just such an opportunistic opportunity plus the pressure on the multifamily. We sit there and say it was a right opportunity for us to move that mix a bit, which is where you're down that kind of eighty-twenty type of mix. I think as we get into the rate hike cycle goes the other way, the reduction cycle, I do see us floating back towards more multi, a little less non income producing and probably get more into the 80%, 85% split. So it's something we're keeping an eye on.

Speaker 2

We won't go much lower than we are today and see it going back to more of traditional norm. But it was intentional, the split you're seeing today.

Speaker 6

Okay. That's helpful color. Those are all my questions. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Thank

Operator

you. As a reminder, if you have a question, Okay. At this time, there are no other questions. So I'll now turn the call back over to Blair Tamblin for closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Great. Thanks very much for joining us today. We look forward to speaking again when we release our Q3 'twenty four results. As always, please reach out to the team with any questions and hope you enjoy the rest of your summer.

Operator

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