Vince Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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September 16, 2024

There are 6 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good afternoon. Thank you for attending the VINCE Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Victoria, and I'll be your moderator today. All lines will be muted during the presentation portion of the call with an opportunity for questions and answers at the end. I would now like to pass the conference over to your host, Akiko Okuma.

Operator

Thank you. You may proceed, Akiko.

Speaker 1

Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Vince Holding Corp. 2nd quarter fiscal 2024 results conference call. Hosting the call today is Dave Stefko, Interim Chief Executive Officer and John Cispanski, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, let me remind you that certain statements made on this call may constitute forward looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ from those that the company expects.

Speaker 1

Those risks and uncertainties are described in today's press release and in the company's SEC filings, which are available on the company's website. Investors should not assume that statements made during the call will remain operative at a later time, and the company undertakes no obligation to update any information discussed on the call. In addition, in today's discussion, the company is presenting its financial results in conformity with GAAP and on an adjusted basis. The adjusted results that the company presents today are non GAAP measures. Discussions of these non GAAP measures and information on reconciliations of them to their most comparable GAAP measures are included in today's press release and related schedules, which are available in the Investors section of the company's website at investors.

Speaker 1

Finns.com. Now I'll turn the call over to Dave.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Kiko, and thank you, everyone, for joining us this afternoon. I will begin with a review of highlights from our Q2 performance before turning the call over to John to discuss our financial results and outlook in more detail. Overall, we are pleased with our 2nd quarter results. We delivered sales growth of nearly 7% and adjusted operating margin of 1.5%, driven by 80 basis points of gross margin expansion and ongoing disciplined expense management. These results exceeded our guidance as we benefited from the timing of wholesale orders, which shipped earlier than expected.

Speaker 2

That said, excluding the benefit from these earlier shipments, our underlying wholesale business was solid and performed in line with our expectations as we have now normalized our off price business and are seeing strong demand across our key partners. The strength in our wholesale business helped to offset softer performance in our direct to consumer business, which continued to be impacted by our pullback in promotional activity across our store and e commerce channels, as well as a lower mix of markdown units due to tight inventory management and fewer stores compared to the prior year. This was particularly felt in the latter part of the quarter, which is a typical sale period across retail and customers are less inclined to pay full price for product, especially ahead of the fall season. So despite seeing healthier traffic trends in the quarter, our focus on maintaining a strong full price assortment weighed on conversion during the period. However, taking into account these dynamics, we are pleased to continue to drive a year over year mid single digit growth rate in our full price customer file in the quarter.

Speaker 2

During the quarter, we saw strength across both our women's and men's businesses. In women's, customers gravitated toward our sweaters and our knit tops and bottoms. In addition, our men's customer continued to respond well to our linen program as well as our knit T shirts as he shopped with a much more buy now, wear now mindset. We are looking forward to continuing to expand our men's business. And in the fall season, we are excited for our newly launched enhanced bottoms program, which highlights an elevated product offering a broader range of fits with superior Italian fabrics at a competitive retail price.

Speaker 2

This was the Q1 for Vince where we had men's in all Nordstrom doors. We are excited by the good response to both our men's and women's products during the annual anniversary sale, which drove record results for us this year. Once again, Vince was mentioned by Nordstrom's on its latest earnings call as one of its strong brands in women's apparel this past quarter. Nordstrom continues to be a strong partner and together we are working closely on initiatives to enhance the Vince experience in their stores. Along with our relationship with Nordstrom, we are continuing to see solid demand across other key wholesale partners and are pleased to be in a healthier inventory position to better fulfill demand and capitalize on replenishment orders in season.

Speaker 2

As we enter the fall season, we lean into key franchise categories for Vince that we have highlighted in our future heritage campaign, which was recently highlighted in Women's Wear Daily and Forbes. The campaign features leathers and cashmere as well as suede, tweed and plaid patterns. Through this campaign, we are continuing to invest into more top of funnel marketing as we look to amplify our brand awareness. In addition to our brand marketing investments, as we head into the second half of the year, we are working to drive customer acquisition via new traffic driving and targeted audience campaigns. We have plans to continue to enhance our customer acquisition efforts through initiatives focused on increasing lifetime value across our customer base, especially across our top 10% of customers who represent nearly 40% of demand across full price direct to consumer.

Speaker 2

The teams are finalizing the plans this month with respect to this initiative, so we're well positioned to launch ahead of the holiday quarter. As we have moved into fall, we're also seeing a greater engagement with our customer across key marketing channels. Our fall launch teaser was our top performing social media post for August. Our e mail highlighting our fall lookbook outperformed last year's message, and our fall direct mail significantly outperformed last year's mailing as the fall collection is resonating with customers. As we look ahead beyond this fall, we continue to see a long runway for growth for Vince through ongoing customer acquisition, growth of our men's business, new store openings and international expansion.

Speaker 2

With respect to our international business, we're seeing solid sales growth from our first London store and are evaluating potential opportunities to expand in that region over time. We continue to see opportunities within Europe to expand our presence, but we will be taking a more measured approach to the rest of the world as we are navigating a dynamic environment, particularly in China. We have recently made the decision along with our operating partner to pause our operations in China and focus on efforts in regions that have greater productivity and profitability opportunity at the moment. This decision does not have a material impact on our financial results or outlook, and we expect the 2 test stores will be closed before the end of the fiscal year. Our focus today is to position Vince for long term sustainable growth, and we believe through the actions and strategies we are executing, we are delivering on this objective.

Speaker 2

A key element to this progress is our transformation plan, and through our team's efforts at the end of the second quarter, we are ahead of our mid year fiscal 2024 target. In addition to our work, we are also maintaining a strong relationship with Authentic through our strategic partnership in ABG Vince. ABG Vince recently launched its Peerless Men's Suiting collection under the Vince label in select wholesale partners and expects to launch its Centric brand's collection of handbags, belts and small leather goods under the Vince label beginning in 2025. In closing, we are pleased with our first half results and the progress we are making across our businesses. While we have seen some improvement in trends in our direct to consumer channel into September, we believe it is prudent to update our sales guidance for the year to reflect a more cautious top line outlook given the increasingly uncertain environment with respect to consumer spending and the potential impact from the shorter holiday shopping season as well as the upcoming November election.

Speaker 2

That said,

Speaker 3

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Speaker 2

wholesale business continued to remain on track with our expectations, and we are very pleased to raise our profitability outlook despite the change in our overall top line expectations. I want to thank all of our teams as they continue to execute and deliver on our objectives while maintaining a strong focus on strengthening our relationships with our customers and wholesale partners. We have strong confidence in the future for Vince and are committed to continuing to position Vince for long term success. Our Board recently approved a stock repurchase program. And as John will review, we intend to continue to be disciplined stewards of capital with a strong focus on investing in our business, executing on our operating model and delivering value to all our stakeholders.

Speaker 2

I'll now turn it over to John to discuss our financial results and outlook in more detail. John?

Speaker 3

Thank you, Dave, and good afternoon, everyone. As Dave discussed, we're pleased with our overall second quarter results as we delivered sales and adjusted operating margin above our guidance expectations, driven by earlier than expected shipments in our wholesale channel as well as ongoing execution of an improved full price business, disciplined expense management and execution of our transformation plan objectives. Turning now to our results in more detail. Total company net sales for the Q2 increased 6.8 percent to $74,200,000 compared to $69,400,000 in the Q2 of fiscal 2023, which included an immaterial amount of sales from the Rebecca Taylor and Parker segment, which has been wound down. The year over year increase in total company net sales was driven by a 29.6% increase in our wholesale segment as we capitalized on our inventory availability to meet demand, resulting in earlier than expected shipments at the end of the quarter.

Speaker 3

Excluding the benefit from these earlier shipments, our total sales results would have been more in line with the lower end of our guidance expectations as our underlying wholesale channel performed in line with our expectations, as Dave reviewed. This performance was partially offset by an 18.1% decline in our direct to consumer segment, which was impacted by the closure of 2 full price stores and 3 outlet stores as well as the temporary closure of 1 of our full price stores due to renovations. Store closures negatively impacted direct to consumer sales by 4.40 basis points in the period, and the remainder of the year over year decline was primarily attributed to lower markdown sales, given our ongoing efforts to pull back on promotions despite being a typical sale period for the industry, particularly in the later part of the quarter. Excluding the impact from store closures, we continue to see stores outperform e commerce and attribute some of this to a greater impact through the pullback on promotions on the online business compared to stores. As Dave noted, we're pleased with the full price business we are driving.

Speaker 3

Gross profit in the second quarter was $35,100,000 or 47.4 percent of net sales. This compares to $32,300,000 or 46.6 percent of net sales in the Q2 of last year. The increase in gross margin rate was driven by approximately 510 basis points related to lower promotional activity, lower discounting, higher pricing and lower freight costs, driven in part by actions related to our transformation plan. These factors were partially offset by 220 basis points unfavorable impact from channel mix and royalty expenses of 180 basis points associated with the licensing agreement with Authentic Brands Group. Selling, general and administrative expenses in the quarter were $34,000,000 or 45.8 percent of net sales as compared to $31,500,000 or 45.4 percent of net sales for the Q2 of last year.

Speaker 3

The increase in SG and A dollars was primarily driven by a $2,000,000 increase in rent and occupancy costs, mainly due to lease adjustments in the prior year. In addition, during the quarter, we incurred $1,800,000 in severance and incentive compensation expenses that we did not incur in the prior year period. These costs were partially offset by $2,000,000 of expense favorability compared to the prior year due to transaction related expenses related to the ABG deal. Given the complex year over year dynamics with the timing of the ABG transaction, the wind down of the Rebecca Taylor business, the severance expenses incurred this year and the reestablishment of our incentive compensation program, it is worth noting that excluding these impacts, we leveraged our core operating cost structure in Q2 due to our ongoing disciplined expense management. Operating income for the 2nd quarter was $1,100,000 compared to an operating income of $32,900,000 in the same period last year.

Speaker 3

Following the completion of the sale of 75 percent of the Vince brand IP to Authentic Brands Group in the Q2 of fiscal 2023, the company realized a gain of $32,000,000 and incurred transaction related expenses of $2,000,000 Excluding these one time items, adjusted operating income was $2,800,000 Adjusted operating margin declined approximately 260 basis points compared to the prior year, driven primarily by the favorability from lease adjustments in the prior year period of about 280 basis points as well as a 240 basis point impact from severance expenses related to actions taken to streamline our leadership structure and increases in reestablishing our incentive compensation program. In addition, our adjusted operating margin benefited from gross margin expansion despite incurring 170 basis points related to royalty expenses. This performance exceeded our expectations as we diligently managed expenses during the period. Net interest expense for the 2nd quarter decreased to $1,700,000 compared to $4,100,000 the prior year. The decrease was primarily driven by expenses related to refinancing transactions in the prior year as well as the year over year reduction in debt.

Speaker 3

Income tax benefit for the 2nd quarter was $800,000 due to the reversal of the $800,000 of ordinary tax expense recorded during the Q1 of fiscal 2024 as the company has year to date ordinary pretax losses for the interim period and is anticipating annual ordinary pretax income for the year. The company has determined that it is more likely than not that the tax benefit of the year to date loss will not be realized in the current or future years, and as such, the company should not recognize tax provisions for the interim periods until the company has year to date ordinary pre tax income. The tax benefit in the Q2 of fiscal 2024 compares to an income tax benefit of $600,000 in the same period last year. Net income for the Q2 was $600,000 or earnings per share of $0.05 compared to net income of $29,500,000 or earnings per share of $2.36 in the Q2 last year. The prior year period includes one time items related to the Vince IP sale gain and transaction expenses.

Speaker 3

Excluding these items, adjusted net loss in the Q2 of fiscal 2023 was $500,000 or a loss per share of $0.04 Moving to the balance sheet. Net inventory was $66,300,000 at the end of the second quarter as compared to $85,000,000 at the end of the second quarter last year. As we are continuing to take a disciplined approach to investing back into inventory to help support the growth we are seeing in our wholesale channel, we now expect inventory for fiscal 2024 to be up low single digits to fiscal 2023, as we expect increased demand for our products for the spring 2025 selling season based on the success we have seen to date with our wholesale partners. With a healthier balance sheet in place, we are committed to continuing to execute our operating model, while investing in our growth and delivering value to shareholders. The Board has authorized a stock repurchase program for up to $1,000,000 of common stock that is expected to be funded through existing cash and future free cash flow.

Speaker 3

The timing, manner, price and amount of any repurchases are dependent on many factors and will be made in the best interest of the company as detailed in our release. Turning now to our outlook for the balance of the year. As a reminder, starting with the Q3 of fiscal 2024, we will have anniversaried periods of non comparable royalty expenses and non comparable expense favorability due to the wind down of Rebecca Taylor. And therefore, Q3 will be our 1st full quarter in which we are comparing a more like for like business model. In addition, we're in a much healthier position from a liquidity perspective this year, and we're able to invest into inventory in a much more balanced approach for the fall season this year.

Speaker 3

For Q3 fiscal 2024, we expect total net sales to be flat to down low single digits relative to the prior year. This expectation takes into account the earlier than expected timing of wholesale shipments, which benefited Q2 as well as the expected ongoing impact of more disciplined promotional activity in our DTC channel. As we have said, while these actions have near term impacts on top line, we believe they better support the long term health of our business. With respect to the operating margin, we expect Q3 fiscal 2024 operating margin to increase approximately 350 basis points to 4.50 basis points compared to last year's adjusted operating margin of 3.7%. We expect improved full price penetration, disciplined promotions and the impact of our transformation initiatives to be the primary drivers of the operating margin increase, somewhat offset by SG and A deleverage from incentive compensation.

Speaker 3

With respect to our full year fiscal 2024 outlook, which as a reminder is a 52 week fiscal year, we now expect total net sales to decline in the low single digit range compared to the 53 week fiscal 2023. While our guidance for our wholesale channel has not changed, we have revised the embedded expectation for our DTC channel. While we have seen an improvement in trends heading into September, we believe it prudent given the increased uncertainty around the consumer environment heading into the second half

Speaker 4

to take a more conservative

Speaker 3

approach to our outlook, as Dave reviewed. Despite the revision in our sales outlook, we now expect adjusted operating margin to increase 25 to 50 basis points compared to fiscal 2023 adjusted operating margin. We expect the impact of royalty fees through May 2024, which were not incurred in the comparable fiscal 2023 period, to impact operating margin performance by approximately 140 basis points and expect to offset this headwind through ongoing gross margin expansion and disciplined expense management driven in part by our transformation efforts. As Dave reviewed, we're pleased with the progress we're making with our transformation plan and are seeing better than expected results at the midpoint of the year, especially in the gross margin expansion we delivered to date. As a reminder, about half of our total savings from the transformation plan are expected to come from product cost efficiencies with no compromises to quality, with a balance driven by targeted initiatives to improve pricing, improve the cadence and discipline of promotions and reduce operating expenses.

Speaker 3

As we look beyond this year, we continue to believe in the opportunity we see in front of us and are confident in our plans to deliver long term profitable growth. This concludes our remarks. I will now turn it over to the operator to open the call for questions.

Operator

Of course. We will now begin the question and answer session. Our first question comes from the line of Eric Bitter with SDC Research. Your line is now open.

Speaker 4

Good afternoon. Congratulations on the progress.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Eric.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 4

Let's talk a little bit about something embedded some of the pieces embedded in your guidance. So on the wholesale, you had basically things you believe were shipped into Q3, shipped into Q2. What are you thinking in terms of potential reorders or other pieces here that can kind of help with the wholesale business? And are you with the inventories you have able to fulfill increased demand from wholesale if it does come through and the product that we shipped in Q2, you said you want to be more aggressive potentially in getting shipments in earlier this year?

Speaker 3

Very good question. So first, we think it's always an advantage to have product on the floor. It does drive our reorder business. And there's that is a core component to our operating model. We think we have the right balance of inventory now that we've been able to reinvest given our liquidity position.

Speaker 3

We think we have the right balance of inventory for not just our wholesale channel, but also our DTC channel to be effective in the second half of the year.

Speaker 4

Okay. And what should we be thinking about in terms I know you mentioned you're closing the stores in Asia with your partner and there's the potential down the road to increase London or Europe in general. What are we thinking about in terms of the domestic business? As you mentioned, you were net 5 stores down in Q2. When should we be thinking about the opportunities here?

Speaker 4

And I guess if there are opportunities, what you would think in terms of when you might be potentially able to expand the own store network here in the U. S?

Speaker 2

Yes, Eric. We are looking at opportunities in the U. S. As we speak. There are, as you know, we have pretty much a fair amount of white space in the U.

Speaker 2

S. We're heavily concentrated in cities like New York, Los Angeles, Miami, but not very concentrated in cities like Chicago and Denver and Houston and Dallas and markets great growth markets like Nashville, where we don't have any stores at all. So we are actively looking at opportunities. And as we find opportunities that fit our model and ROI, we will be making future investments.

Speaker 4

Okay. And last question, you mentioned and I've seen at the stores the expansion of men's with the pants business. And one of the things we've seen is that the amount of colors have continued to increase. And I'm assuming that's part of the ability to respond to inventory. I know you've talked previously about the goal of getting to about 30% of men's in, I believe it's 3 years.

Speaker 4

Is that goal still there? And kind of what will be seen kind of in the back half here in terms of men's expansion? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Eric. So yes, we have seen expansion in our men's business where we sit today through the 1st 6 months versus the prior year. The men's pant program obviously is a new opportunity for us. Thank you for recognizing the breadth of the product that we've put out. We've just had our Q1 with Nordstrom's being an all men's stores.

Speaker 2

We do speak with other wholesale partners about growth opportunities, and we are making further investments as we see the results of the men's bottoms program and what opportunities that may lead to next. So yes, we are do feel we're on track for that 3 year goal of 30%.

Speaker 4

Great. Congratulations and again good luck in the holiday period.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thank you, Eric.

Operator

Thank you for your questions. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Kudinski with NOBLE Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Speaker 5

Thank you very much for taking my questions and good quarter. Couple of things. Can you quantify the amount of sales that were pushed into Q2? Was that over $5,000,000

Speaker 4

Hi, Mike.

Speaker 3

So yes, we definitely saw the benefit from having inventory available early in the quarter earlier than expected in Q2 versus Q3. We did essentially the beat that we had to our guide represented the majority of that acceleration. So that's what sort of drove our cadence in terms of Q2 and what we expected in Q2 versus Q3.

Speaker 5

Okay. And you mentioned about I'm sorry?

Speaker 2

I was saying that Brent, that value of 4.40 basis points, right, John? Did you hear me, John, or no?

Speaker 5

That

Speaker 3

was not 4 to 40 basis points, no. Okay.

Speaker 5

All right. And then in terms of the expansion of the men's line, I just kind of want to clarify, when will we I guess, I'm just kind of trying to understand in terms of I know that you expanded colors and things like that, but I'm wondering in terms of additional products from here. I mean, were you anticipating adding more men's product lines from here? I'm just trying to understand the cadence of the product development and things that are going likely to go into Nordstrom's and the timing of that?

Speaker 2

Yes, we really haven't we haven't talked about anything, but with the launch of the men's bottoms program, it's not just more colors, it's a new fit, it's a better fabric. So we're trying to see the results of that. Michael, we also are looking at with our new licensed partner in the men's suiting area is ways that we could take advantage of that as we look forward. So yes, there are other categories that we are looking at, but nothing other than potentially something with our license partner that we may launch in the near term.

Speaker 5

Got you. And then in terms of the consumer, the many companies that identified a bifurcated consumer with the higher income consumers continuing to spend and lower incomes kind of struggling a little bit. And I'm just I know that you had previous promotions that may have skewed your customer base down to lower income or lower income category. And I'm just wondering in terms of going upstream and positioning, is there a chance that you would have to increase not promotional spend, but more marketing spend in terms of kind of attracting that higher income to the consumer. And I was just wondering if maybe you could just give us your thoughts in terms of the current market environment and like where your products are placed and how you see that market developing?

Speaker 2

Yes. Okay. So yes, Mike, we are seeing like as we look as we enter the Q3, the trends we see on our business over the last 6 weeks since the beginning of our Q3 and the consumer, two things. 1 is being less than July kind of focused on its sale period, its markdown period. And people are kids are back to school.

Speaker 2

I mean, consumer, we feel, is excited about being able to shop fall. And we do hear that. Just the ability that it's fall buying season. We certainly are seeing our product resonate with the consumer and we continue to drive what we see as the full price the full price customer file. And you're right, we are seeing a decline in our customer file from a discount perspective because we are less promotional and less markdown units to sell.

Speaker 2

As we look into 2025, as we've talked about, we certainly see the need that we need to do make investments, marketing investments in top of funnel marketing, greater investments there, but more importantly in brand awareness. And we're very encouraged by our performance in Nordstrom anniversary to have record results there. And with that consumer, Nordstrom is driving that traffic and has an everyday customer that knows the Vince brand, that performance that we see is really encouraging to us. And so we certainly, as I said, plan on making investments in marketing to drive that higher income consumer as we look into 2025.

Speaker 5

Terrific. Well, good job and good luck on your upcoming season.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Michael.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Mike.

Operator

Thank you for your questions. There are no questions registered at this time. I would now like to pass the call back to Dave Stefko with for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you all for joining us today. We'll speak to you again in early December on our Q3 results. Have a great rest of your day. Thank you.

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Key Takeaways

  • Solid Q2 results: Net sales rose 6.8% to $74.2 M with a 1.5% adjusted operating margin, fueled by 80 bps of gross margin expansion and disciplined expense management.
  • Wholesalestrength vs. DTC softness: Wholesale grew 29.6% on earlier shipments and normalized off-price demand, while direct-to-consumer sales declined 18.1% due to fewer markdowns and a promotional pullback.
  • Men’s and marketing investments: The men’s business expanded via linen, knits and a new enhanced bottoms line, and top-of-funnel campaigns like “Future Heritage” drove record engagement and customer acquisition.
  • Updated outlook: Fiscal 2024 sales are now expected to decline low-single-digits, yet adjusted operating margin is lifted by 25–50 bps for the year, with Q3 margin projected to improve ~350 bps.
  • Selective international focus: Operations in China are paused, the London store performed strongly, and Europe expansion will be pursued cautiously to ensure productivity and profitability.
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